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EnhSim, DPS simulator
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Hello everyone, this thread is about my enhancement shaman dps simulator. Until now I've been posting to this [Enhancement Shaman]Yo!? Help me and little bit to this http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t27014-e...ls_discussion/ thread.
My simulator is same style as Yo's(Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo). Differences:
-Console application. Rar package comes with Windows executable but compiling to other platforms is possible.
-GUI included(Win32) as a front end for the console app. You can still use only the console app if you prefer it that way.
-Config files to save and share your configs with others.
-If wanted, combatlog output to text file.
-Faster, also supports multithreading for even more speed.
-Should be more accurate.
-WotLK mechanics! (not all yet)
Newest version changelog(I won't update this on every update, so check new posts on this thread or the download site)
0.5.7
-GUI is included. You can still use the console version. GUI is actually just front end for enhsim, it generates config file and runs enhsim.exe with it. The GUI uses enhsimgui_config.txt as it's temp config file.
-Buffs in the config file changed to form [value]/[default value]. For example melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0. It means that buff is off and the "default" or suggested value is 20.0%.
-Fixed potion cooldown. It was 100(!) times shorter than it was supposed to be.
Download:
enhsim - Google Code
It is important to read the config file carefully and don't forget about the comments. Please test this sim and post some feedback, bug reports or wanted features.
Hello everyone, this thread is about my enhancement shaman dps simulator. Until now I've been posting to this [Enhancement Shaman]Yo!? Help me and little bit to this http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t27014-e...ls_discussion/ thread.
My simulator is same style as Yo's(Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo). Differences:
-Console application. Rar package comes with Windows executable but compiling to other platforms is possible.
-GUI included(Win32) as a front end for the console app. You can still use only the console app if you prefer it that way.
-Config files to save and share your configs with others.
-If wanted, combatlog output to text file.
-Faster, also supports multithreading for even more speed.
-Should be more accurate.
-WotLK mechanics! (not all yet)
Newest version changelog(I won't update this on every update, so check new posts on this thread or the download site)
0.5.7
-GUI is included. You can still use the console version. GUI is actually just front end for enhsim, it generates config file and runs enhsim.exe with it. The GUI uses enhsimgui_config.txt as it's temp config file.
-Buffs in the config file changed to form [value]/[default value]. For example melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0. It means that buff is off and the "default" or suggested value is 20.0%.
-Fixed potion cooldown. It was 100(!) times shorter than it was supposed to be.
Download:
enhsim - Google Code
It is important to read the config file carefully and don't forget about the comments. Please test this sim and post some feedback, bug reports or wanted features.
Last edited by tukez : 04/11/09 at 9:57 AM. Reason: GUI
I've only taken a quick look through the simulator as of yet, but it has been pretty awesome so far.
The only thing I found that wasn't self explanatory/explained in the readme were the EP ranges in the config.txt file. Simulation speeds are very quick and the simulator is simple to use even without the GUI.
About the actual nuts and bolts of the simulator, excuse my ignorance since I'm not an Enhancement Shaman expert but considering the simulator simulates shocks itself what is the point of average_shocks_per_minute in the config file? Is there a way to let the simulator handle assume an ideal DPS priority list and generate this variable by itself?
The only thing I found that wasn't self explanatory/explained in the readme were the EP ranges in the config.txt file. Simulation speeds are very quick and the simulator is simple to use even without the GUI.
About the actual nuts and bolts of the simulator, excuse my ignorance since I'm not an Enhancement Shaman expert but considering the simulator simulates shocks itself what is the point of average_shocks_per_minute in the config file? Is there a way to let the simulator handle assume an ideal DPS priority list and generate this variable by itself?
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Originally Posted by Tymir
I've only taken a quick look through the simulator as of yet, but it has been pretty awesome so far.
The only thing I found that wasn't self explanatory/explained in the readme were the EP ranges in the config.txt file. Simulation speeds are very quick and the simulator is simple to use even without the GUI. About the actual nuts and bolts of the simulator, excuse my ignorance since I'm not an Enhancement Shaman expert but considering the simulator simulates shocks itself what is the point of average_shocks_per_minute in the config file? Is there a way to let the simulator handle assume an ideal DPS priority list and generate this variable by itself? |
The average_shocks_per_minute actually defines the shock cooldown. 10 shocks per minute, the shock cooldown would be 60/10 = 6 seconds as it should be, but people aren't usually able to achieve that in game. The name might be a little stupid but I think it is easier to approximate how many shocks per minute do you actually do, than how long is the actual cooldown of your shocks + reaction + other factors.
Currently there isn't a way to let the simulator decide the optimal rotation priority. Pitbuller made tests and found out the optimal and that priority is in the default config now. Keep in mind that the optimal rotation might change depending on your gear/play style.
I did 5x5000hours EP simulations and got some pretty strange variations in the values. For example ep for intellect was ranging from 0.80 all the way to 4.01. If you have 3/3 mental dexterity talented, any values under 1.1 shouldn't be possible for intellect if you're using kings, at least in my knowledge. I can upload my config.txt somewhere if you want to have a closer look at it but I'm pretty sure it's filled correctly. I used my current gear as a baseline and switched gems for agility and hit+agility accordingly. I also included the extra attack power from agility and intellect in the current ap value.
Stats used:
MH/OH speed 2.50
MH/OH dps 103.0
Melee crit 29.32%
Melee hit 13.06%
Expertise 83
ap 2253
haste 4.63%
ignore_armor 630
str 215
agi 429
int 141
spellpower 751
spell_crit 17.99%
spell_hit 16.35%
Anyway good to see that someone is working on a simulator with 3.0 in mind and I hope it turns out well.
Stats used:
MH/OH speed 2.50
MH/OH dps 103.0
Melee crit 29.32%
Melee hit 13.06%
Expertise 83
ap 2253
haste 4.63%
ignore_armor 630
str 215
agi 429
int 141
spellpower 751
spell_crit 17.99%
spell_hit 16.35%
Anyway good to see that someone is working on a simulator with 3.0 in mind and I hope it turns out well.
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It would be nice to add a sort of convertion to the sim to get 3.0 stats for people that cannot access to beta. I cannot use the sim properly because i don't know how much crit from agi/ crit - hit from rating for spells i will get with 3.0
Last edited by Shokkina : 08/30/08 at 10:47 AM.
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Originally Posted by Shokkina
It would be nice to add a sort of convertion to the sim to get 3.0 stats for people that cannot access to beta. I cannot use the sim properly because i don't know how much crit from agi/ crit - hit from rating for spells i will get with 3.0
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Tried to compile this on OSX 10.5.4, the zthread library failed on the Make. Anyone on a mac been able to use this?
Last edited by Malan : 08/30/08 at 12:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by Chromean
I did 5x5000hours EP simulations and got some pretty strange variations in the values. For example ep for intellect was ranging from 0.80 all the way to 4.01. If you have 3/3 mental dexterity talented, any values under 1.1 shouldn't be possible for intellect if you're using kings, at least in my knowledge. I can upload my config.txt somewhere if you want to have a closer look at it but I'm pretty sure it's filled correctly. I used my current gear as a baseline and switched gems for agility and hit+agility accordingly. I also included the extra attack power from agility and intellect in the current ap value.
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Originally Posted by Malan
The entire list of these values, interpolated out to level 80, are pretty easy to locate both here on EJ and through google.
Tried to compile this on OSX 10.5.4, the zthread library failed on the Make. Anyone on a mac been able to use this? |
I sent the config file to your e-mail. First I filled the config file up with my stats and raidbuffs and after that I ran start_simulation a few times before running start_ep_calculation. Just getting pretty weird results, hope it helps.
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Ancestral knowledge is listed as a 0/3 talent in line with the blue poster's beta patch notes but the talent calculators all show 0/5. Not being in the beta I don't know which is correct but I thought it would be worth flagging.
EDIT Having looked at the code more I assume this is purely cosmetic.
EDIT Having looked at the code more I assume this is purely cosmetic.
Last edited by Impara : 08/30/08 at 3:09 PM.
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Using the standard 5000h simulation time gives very inexact values for me:
Seems to be very inexact for 50,000 hours as well as I'm getting a value of 0.65 for Expertise there while already being overcapped.
Stat | Simulation 1 | Simulation 2 | Simulation 3 | Simulation 4
AP | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1
Crit | 2.26 | 2.80 | 1.37 | 3.61
Hit | 4.19 | 5.17 | 3.50 | 4.33
Expertise | -1.10 | -1.23 | -1.99 | 0.05
Haste | 1.77 | 2.15 | 1.02 | 2.59
ArPen | 0.28 | 0.55 | 0.08 | 0.26
+Dmg | 0.73 | 1.00 | 0.27 | 0.96
Agi | 2.62 | 3.49 | 2.22 | 3.43
Int | 1.81 | 2.15 | 0.64 | 2.11
Last edited by Hidden : 08/30/08 at 5:24 PM.
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Originally Posted by Impara
Ancestral knowledge is listed as a 0/3 talent in line with the blue poster's beta patch notes but the talent calculators all show 0/5. Not being in the beta I don't know which is correct but I thought it would be worth flagging.
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have you done a sim to show useing flame tongue on off hand with fast weapon sence a lot of people keep talking about there doing more dps in beta that way or that they just think they are?
Ok, this one is for Hidden and Chromean. Actually, this is for everyone who uses the EP calculation system.
I did some testing with Chromeans config and I came to conclusion that the sim is working right. The problem lies in the big variance it is giving and that is the result of all random procs, trinkets, flurry, elemental devastation etc. As everyone knows, 2 random procs can give very different results depending on do they happen at the same time or different times, even if the uptimes are exactly the same. If they happen at the same time, resulting DPS is higher than if they happend at different times. And as the number of random procs go up, the variance increase is not linear, it is more like exponential.
As the DPS has increased a lot, you should also increase the EP ranges. Now that is a bad thing, because I think the optimal EP ranges are an amount, which one item can increase one stat. This method should give quite accurate EP values if calculated after every item change. Anyway, I had to up the EP ranges to these values to get some meaningful results:
As you see, the expertise is still low. Otherwise it would go over the cap and give weird results. Also the hit rating is questionable as with Chromeans config, spell hit will hit the cap sooner than melee hit. I was trying to get the total DPS difference to match about 180, which is 5% from the baseline total DPS.
Also the 5000 simulation time is not nearly enough for EP value calculations with these number of random procs. I honestly don't know what is enough, it kind of depends on the config I think. In test, I used 10000 hours and EP value difference between 2 tests was maximum of 0.12. Except with expertise(got 2.07 and 2.79), which was expected with too low EP range.
So the advice is to up the simulation time and up the EP ranges, but watch the expertise and hit cap.
I did some testing with Chromeans config and I came to conclusion that the sim is working right. The problem lies in the big variance it is giving and that is the result of all random procs, trinkets, flurry, elemental devastation etc. As everyone knows, 2 random procs can give very different results depending on do they happen at the same time or different times, even if the uptimes are exactly the same. If they happen at the same time, resulting DPS is higher than if they happend at different times. And as the number of random procs go up, the variance increase is not linear, it is more like exponential.
As the DPS has increased a lot, you should also increase the EP ranges. Now that is a bad thing, because I think the optimal EP ranges are an amount, which one item can increase one stat. This method should give quite accurate EP values if calculated after every item change. Anyway, I had to up the EP ranges to these values to get some meaningful results:
ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 140 ep_expertise 5 //not rating ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_ignore 600 ep_spellpower 300 ep_agility 120 ep_intelligence 200
Also the 5000 simulation time is not nearly enough for EP value calculations with these number of random procs. I honestly don't know what is enough, it kind of depends on the config I think. In test, I used 10000 hours and EP value difference between 2 tests was maximum of 0.12. Except with expertise(got 2.07 and 2.79), which was expected with too low EP range.
So the advice is to up the simulation time and up the EP ranges, but watch the expertise and hit cap.
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Originally Posted by annihilate
have you done a sim to show useing flame tongue on off hand with fast weapon sence a lot of people keep talking about there doing more dps in beta that way or that they just think they are?
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EnhSim 0.4.9
0.4.9
-Fixed spell gcd haste. Mongoose, flurry etc were also affecting spell gcd.
-Ancestral Knowledge fixed to 5 point talent.
-EP value calculation also shows baseline total DPS and DPS difference with every test.
DPS difference on EP value calculation is supposed to help to decide the correct EP ranges.
enhsim - Google Code
-Fixed spell gcd haste. Mongoose, flurry etc were also affecting spell gcd.
-Ancestral Knowledge fixed to 5 point talent.
-EP value calculation also shows baseline total DPS and DPS difference with every test.
DPS difference on EP value calculation is supposed to help to decide the correct EP ranges.
enhsim - Google Code
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Originally Posted by tukez
So you tried to make a static library out of zthread? You could post the error messages here and maybe me or someone else can tell something about it.
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kyle:ZThread-2.3.2 Administrator$ make Making all in src make all-recursive Making all in . if /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I../include -g -O2 -Wall -DNDEBUG -g -O2 -Wall -DNDEBUG -MT AtomicCount.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/AtomicCount.Tpo" \ -c -o AtomicCount.lo `test -f 'AtomicCount.cxx' || echo './'`AtomicCount.cxx; \ then mv -f ".deps/AtomicCount.Tpo" ".deps/AtomicCount.Plo"; \ else rm -f ".deps/AtomicCount.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I../include -g -O2 -Wall -DNDEBUG -g -O2 -Wall -DNDEBUG -MT AtomicCount.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/AtomicCount.Tpo -c AtomicCount.cxx -fno-common -DPIC -o .libs/AtomicCount.o ../include/zthread/Guard.h: In destructor 'ZThread::Guard<LockType, LockingPolicy>::~Guard()': ../include/zthread/Guard.h:494: error: there are no arguments to 'isDisabled' that depend on a template parameter, so a declaration of 'isDisabled' must be available ../include/zthread/Guard.h:494: error: (if you use '-fpermissive', G++ will accept your code, but allowing the use of an undeclared name is deprecated) make[3]: *** [AtomicCount.lo] Error 1 make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 kyle:ZThread-2.3.2 Administrator$
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Originally Posted by bobxii
after doing ./configure (10.5.4)
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../include/zthread/Guard.h:494: error: (if you use '-fpermissive', G++ will accept your code, but allowing the use of an undeclared name is deprecated)
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Originally Posted by tukez
../include/zthread/Guard.h:494: error: (if you use '-fpermissive', G++ will accept your code, but allowing the use of an undeclared name is deprecated) |
I did that as well ( assuming it's $ make -fpermissive or $ make --fpermissive (on another computer atm, can't remember :P )). Zthreads is (insofar as I have seen from google) a relatively unsupported library; is it required for the program to run or just for the multithread capability ?
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Originally Posted by bobxii
is it required for the program to run or just for the multithread capability ?
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0.5.4
-EP test with hit rating or expertise will be skipped, if over the cap.
-combat_length added to config. This will determine the potion cooldown.
-Buff system revamped to WoW 3.0 mechanics.
-Multiple Drums of Battle removed. Drums now have 2min cooldown.
-When compiling to other platforms, it is possible to define NOTHREADS to exclude ZThreads(multithreading) usage.
enhsim - Google Code
In the default config, all the buffs are unused. Give me some suggestions for default buffs.
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Originally Posted by bobxii
I did that as well ( assuming it's $ make -fpermissive or $ make --fpermissive (on another computer atm, can't remember :P )). Zthreads is (insofar as I have seen from google) a relatively unsupported library; is it required for the program to run or just for the multithread capability ?
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export CCFLAGS="-fpermissive"
Do this before running make.
Last edited by Raut : 09/03/08 at 4:31 AM.
Would someone be so kind as to write out a straightforward, step-by-step instruction set for compiling this on a Mac? I could likely muddle through and figure it out on my own, but most people probably won't. Much appreciated.
EnhSim 0.5.7
0.5.7
-GUI is included. You can still use the console version. GUI is actually just front end for enhsim, it generates config file and runs enhsim.exe with it. The GUI uses enhsimgui_config.txt as it's temp config file.
-Buffs in the config file changed to form [value]/[default value]. For example melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0. It means that buff is off and the "default" or suggested value is 20.0%.
-Fixed potion cooldown. It was 100(!) times shorter than it was supposed to be.
enhsim - Google Code
Yeah, GUI included. The GUI is not very intelligent when it comes to inputting invalid data, so keep that in mind.
Sorry about the potion cooldown
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-GUI is included. You can still use the console version. GUI is actually just front end for enhsim, it generates config file and runs enhsim.exe with it. The GUI uses enhsimgui_config.txt as it's temp config file.
-Buffs in the config file changed to form [value]/[default value]. For example melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0. It means that buff is off and the "default" or suggested value is 20.0%.
-Fixed potion cooldown. It was 100(!) times shorter than it was supposed to be.
enhsim - Google Code
Yeah, GUI included. The GUI is not very intelligent when it comes to inputting invalid data, so keep that in mind.
Sorry about the potion cooldown
.Trying to run 'enhsimgui' gives the following error:
'This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.'
Windows XP Pro
'This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.'
Windows XP Pro
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Originally Posted by Xieon
Trying to run 'enhsimgui' gives the following error:
'This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.' Windows XP Pro |
So I did my research and I think you need to install this package:
Download details: Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package (x86)
Tell me if it works.
Download details: Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package (x86)
Tell me if it works.
I had the same error and this package fixed it. Thanks!
Nice to see the gui there, it's looking really sweet.
2 Suggestions though:
Is it possible to include a standard of boss values, perhaps from a dropdown box, maybe even with example bosses with said values (KJ has low armor for example)? Would be nice to not have to set this.
Same goes for a "standard" enha raid talent set. I realise the community has not produced a "cookie cutter" spec yet, but alot of enhancement talents are stable, and would always be chosen, going through 20 dropdown boxes every time would be a nice thing to not have to do
2 Suggestions though:
Is it possible to include a standard of boss values, perhaps from a dropdown box, maybe even with example bosses with said values (KJ has low armor for example)? Would be nice to not have to set this.
Same goes for a "standard" enha raid talent set. I realise the community has not produced a "cookie cutter" spec yet, but alot of enhancement talents are stable, and would always be chosen, going through 20 dropdown boxes every time would be a nice thing to not have to do
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Originally Posted by Bellante
Nice to see the gui there, it's looking really sweet.
2 Suggestions though: Is it possible to include a standard of boss values, perhaps from a dropdown box, maybe even with example bosses with said values (KJ has low armor for example)? Would be nice to not have to set this. Same goes for a "standard" enha raid talent set. I realise the community has not produced a "cookie cutter" spec yet, but alot of enhancement talents are stable, and would always be chosen, going through 20 dropdown boxes every time would be a nice thing to not have to do |
Nope, doesn't load up the previous one on my pc, I'm afraid.
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Originally Posted by Bellante
Nope, doesn't load up the previous one on my pc, I'm afraid.
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Melee crits agains lvl 73 bosses suffer 0.6% penalty am I right? What about spell crits?
Secondly, people could post some suggestions about different rotation logic. Like cast LvB only if 1 FS tick left, cast LvB only if ED is down or x seconds is left, otherwise cast LB. Something like that. I could also make those options changeable, I just need to know what all those options are.
Secondly, people could post some suggestions about different rotation logic. Like cast LvB only if 1 FS tick left, cast LvB only if ED is down or x seconds is left, otherwise cast LB. Something like that. I could also make those options changeable, I just need to know what all those options are.
Spell crits suffer crit depression that to my knowledge has never been clearly explained or modeled. Basically, you never see your theoretical crit rate in the long term, it is always noticeably lower. This may be due in part or whole to spell casts being a on a two roll system. As a result, a sim is probably always going to overestimate the actual spell damage you would see in an ingame encounter. It's possible that along with the changes such as the removal of the 1% miss that spells will get moved to the same type of single roll, logical methodology as melee is, but at this point I don't know that it is even possible to model.
Spells also suffer from partial resists, which according to threads like Some partials resistances studies causes a reduction of roughly 6% of your total damage.
Spells also suffer from partial resists, which according to threads like Some partials resistances studies causes a reduction of roughly 6% of your total damage.
EnhSim 0.6.4
0.6.4
-EP tests agility and intelligence removed. Crit rating test is now divided in physical and spell crit. Agility and intelligence are calculated from those two crit values taking into account the ap value.
-Maelstrom Weapon is used after last event in a tick. This is to prevent using Maelstrom Weapon in between crits during the same tick, which is impossible for human player.
-Fixed Flame Shock coefficients to 21% direct damage and 39% overall dots.
-Fixed Spice Hot Talbuk to affect searing totem hit too.
-Changed rotation priority system to more dynamic. Now you can choose how many slots do you have in your rotation.
-maelstrom_weapon config option removed. That is now integrated in the rotation priority system.
-5 new options to control rotations.
enhsim - Google Code
GUI layout starts to be a little crowded. I might have to divide it in two or more tabs. I also changed the GUI background color, in my opinion it is now bit more neutral to look. Also added the info box as you might notice. It currently tells if hit/expertise is going over the cap.
-EP tests agility and intelligence removed. Crit rating test is now divided in physical and spell crit. Agility and intelligence are calculated from those two crit values taking into account the ap value.
-Maelstrom Weapon is used after last event in a tick. This is to prevent using Maelstrom Weapon in between crits during the same tick, which is impossible for human player.
-Fixed Flame Shock coefficients to 21% direct damage and 39% overall dots.
-Fixed Spice Hot Talbuk to affect searing totem hit too.
-Changed rotation priority system to more dynamic. Now you can choose how many slots do you have in your rotation.
-maelstrom_weapon config option removed. That is now integrated in the rotation priority system.
-5 new options to control rotations.
enhsim - Google Code
GUI layout starts to be a little crowded. I might have to divide it in two or more tabs. I also changed the GUI background color, in my opinion it is now bit more neutral to look. Also added the info box as you might notice. It currently tells if hit/expertise is going over the cap.
I ran the sim for my expected setup after 3.0 and I thought I'd post my results to get some more variety going. In particular, with 178 hit rating on my current gear, that comes out to 14.1% spell hit unbuffed and with the spell hit debuff of 3%, that puts me just over the spell hit cap. This obviously diminishes the value of hit, so I figured others might be interested to see what the EP's look like in such a case. I converted all STR on gems to AGI, but the crit/ap numbers are napkin math since I'm not in beta and I couldn't find the baseline offsets. Here's the EP results and config from a sim at 100,000 hours. I reduced the EP range on values that can cap drastically(2 exp and 25 hit) and increased the sim time in hopes of more accurate numbers. These results are all pretty close to the average of the 10,000hr runs I had done, so I'm fairly confidant in their stability.
As for raid buffs, I included everything that I'm likely to get in a 3.0 BT raid based on our guild's typical makeup today.
What I also wanted to share, and see if others could do so as well, was the dps breakdown for this setup. Is this typical of what others are seeing? White dps is down to 35%, so with yellows and spells capped, hit drops off to a pretty low value as seen above.
Thanks for the GUI btw Tukez, it certainly makes things easier.
edit: And just as I post this, tukez posts an update. I'll play with it some more and see if anything major changes.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2485.10 ap 1 0.44 2616.76 131.66 crit rating 2.80 1.23 2608.05 122.94 hit rating 1.20 0.53 2498.32 13.21 expertise rating 1.82 0.80 2490.70 5.60 haste rating 1.08 0.48 2580.27 95.16 armor ignore 0.26 0.11 2552.44 67.34 spellpower 0.86 0.38 2598.42 113.32 strength 1.10 agility 2.51 1.10 2617.34 132.24 intelligence 1.51 0.66 2617.75 132.65
simulation_time 100000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 25 ep_expertise 2 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_ignore 600 ep_spellpower 300 ep_agility 120 ep_intelligence 200 mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 103.0 oh_dps 103.0 mh_crit 28.2 oh_crit 28.2 mh_hit 11.29 oh_hit 11.29 mh_expertise_rating 44 oh_expertise_rating 44 ap 2069 haste 2.79 ignore_armor 126 str 167 agi 499 int 213 spellpower 620 spell_crit 15.6 spell_hit 14.1 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 dragonspine_trophy trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond average_shocks_per_minute 10.0 maelstrom_weapon lb rotation_priority1 mw rotation_priority2 fs rotation_priority3 ss rotation_priority4 es rotation_priority5 ls miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 stormstrike_cooldown 8.00 stormstrike_nature_damage_buff 0.00 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 flurry 5/5 ancestral_knowledge 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 weapon_mastery 5/5 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 static_shock 1/3 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 elemental_fury 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility potion - food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item -
flurry uptime 94.87% unleashed rage uptime 99.91% elemental devastation uptime 69.26% mh enchant uptime 36.59% oh enchant uptime 32.57% trinket1 uptime 26.52% trinket2 uptime 39.70% totem uptime 66.61% set bonus uptime 0.00% metagem uptime 0.00% white dps 886.45 35.79% wf dps 524.18 21.16% ft dps 0.00 0.00% ss dps 167.69 6.77% searing totem dps 161.24 6.51% earth shock dps 113.72 4.59% flame shock dps 141.18 5.70% frost shock dps 0.00 0.00% lava burst dps 0.00 0.00% lightning bolt dps 454.86 18.36% lightning shield dps 27.70 1.12% DPS 2477.01
edit: And just as I post this, tukez posts an update. I'll play with it some more and see if anything major changes.
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Sim look very good now.
Time to start solve best dps spec for 70lvl when first patch hits.
I made new config file(check below post) clean numbers and basic rounding used. Let's keep gear simple. Gear level is sunwell. The point is use baseline gear plus baseline spec with additinal 19 point left to use to achieve best dps build and rotation.
- Baseline dps was 2670.
- Try to get best possible dps without changing stats or buffs.
- Don't remove any points from baseline spec. You still have 19 point to use anywhere yuo want.
- You can play with rotation. But don't use anything what you can't with yuor spec at 70lvl.
- You can change off-hand speed to 2.6 and use windfury if you think it's beats 1.3speed and flametongue.
- When you find the best build and rotation use least 10k hours to calculate dps.
- average_shocks_per_minute 10.00 line indicate what is CD of shocks. If you have 5/5 reverberation use 12.00.
- Bolding indicate that those are lines what you use to tune dps.
We can't determine dps per talent point abefore we have found best rotation. But best rotation depends what talent points was used. So we need find best combination of those now.
Edit: You can take points out of weapon mastery too if it feel right.
Edit2: 3080dps is best what I have got now. So aim higher. I will post results when I have tested more.
Edit3: Off-han weapon speed was mistake. I need to farm []. Look like it's gonna be best weapon choice.
Time to start solve best dps spec for 70lvl when first patch hits.
I made new config file(check below post) clean numbers and basic rounding used. Let's keep gear simple. Gear level is sunwell. The point is use baseline gear plus baseline spec with additinal 19 point left to use to achieve best dps build and rotation.
- Baseline dps was 2670.
- Try to get best possible dps without changing stats or buffs.
- Don't remove any points from baseline spec. You still have 19 point to use anywhere yuo want.
- You can play with rotation. But don't use anything what you can't with yuor spec at 70lvl.
- You can change off-hand speed to 2.6 and use windfury if you think it's beats 1.3speed and flametongue.
- When you find the best build and rotation use least 10k hours to calculate dps.
- average_shocks_per_minute 10.00 line indicate what is CD of shocks. If you have 5/5 reverberation use 12.00.
- Bolding indicate that those are lines what you use to tune dps.
We can't determine dps per talent point abefore we have found best rotation. But best rotation depends what talent points was used. So we need find best combination of those now.
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 150 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_ignore 600 ep_spellpower 300 mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.3 mh_dps 110.0 oh_dps 110.0 mh_crit 30.0 oh_crit 30.0 mh_hit 10.0 oh_hit 10.0 mh_expertise_rating 110.0 oh_expertise_rating 110.0 ap 2000 haste 6.47 ignore_armor 500 str 100 agi 400 int 300 spellpower 560 spell_crit 20 spell_hit 14.00 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 berserkers_call trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond average_shocks_per_minute 10.00 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 mw_lb rotation_priority2 ss rotation_priority3 fs rotation_priority4 es rotation_priority5 ls miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 stormstrike_cooldown 10.00 stormstrike_nature_damage_buff 0.00 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 flurry 5/5 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 weapon_mastery 5/5 dual_wield_specialization 0/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 static_shock 0/3 concussion 0/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 0/3 elemental_fury 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 381/381 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item drums_of_battle
Edit2: 3080dps is best what I have got now. So aim higher. I will post results when I have tested more.
Edit3: Off-han weapon speed was mistake. I need to farm []. Look like it's gonna be best weapon choice.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/07/08 at 8:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
- You can change off-hand speed to 2.6 and use windfury if you think it's beats 1.3speed and flametongue.
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The highest dps 1.3 speed weapon is [] at 87.3
Why don't you use 107.9 dps for both hands since that is the value of mounting vengeance and s4 weapons? I understand the attempt to just use round numbers for simplicity, but in the case of the offhand it is a pretty big fudge to throw in a 110 dps 1.3 and show that as proof of FT's superiority. At least change the offhand speed to 1.4, since that would include the s4 dagger.
EDIT: Best I've done so far with the 1.3 OH is 3084 dps with this spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Giving up MW for Reverb seems like a clear loss of ~500dps. The rest was just playing with variations between DW spec, imp SS, Static Shock, and Call of Flame. Most interesting bit was that with the fast offhand, 3/3 Static Shock is better than 1/3 SS and 2/2 imp Stormstrike, but with the 2.6 and WF, they come out about even. The 1.3 OH looks to have about a 130dps edge on 2.6, but if you drop to 1.4 the edge is only ~80dps.
EDIT2: Based on Tukez post below, these results are pretty worthless. I'll try the excersize again once he feels he's fixed the issues.
Last edited by Skiace : 09/07/08 at 6:02 AM.
I havent actually tested your sim yet so im not sure if you have allready included it but dont forget to add Skullfish Soup (20 crit rating) which should be the best food buff and Elixir of Draenic Wisdom (guardian elixir) so you can still use Elixir of Major Agility. I guess im stating the obvious but if we are looking for the highest dps possible those should be the baseline.
Hey people, I just noticed when doing the mana calculations, that Lightning Bolt is using way too high base damage. I don't know where did I get that one but I've fixed it for the next version.
Other mentions is about Static shock. It is proccing from Windfury currently, so I'll fix that one too.
I will add the Skullfish Soup, but I'm lazy to add another potion slot, so you can just add the extra ap manually.
Other mentions is about Static shock. It is proccing from Windfury currently, so I'll fix that one too.
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Originally Posted by Dsalt
I havent actually tested your sim yet so im not sure if you have allready included it but dont forget to add Skullfish Soup (20 crit rating) which should be the best food buff and Elixir of Draenic Wisdom (guardian elixir) so you can still use Elixir of Major Agility. I guess im stating the obvious but if we are looking for the highest dps possible those should be the baseline.
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EnhSim 0.7.6
0.7.6
-Lightning Bolt mana cost changed to 10%.
0.7.5
-Fixed Elemental Precision to add 1/2/3% hit.
-EnhSim now simulates also the MPS or mana usage. base_mana added to config.
-You can see (procs/uses) per minute in the statistics.
-Flametongue stats are now also properly recorded.
-Added Call of Thunder talent.
-Added Shamanistic Focus talent.
-Added Convection talent.
-Added Elemental Focus talent.
-Changed Mental Quickness talent to affect mana usage.
-Config file is closed as soons as it is read, instead of closing it at the end of application. This allows to run multiple simulations simultaneously from the GUI.
-Fixed Lightning Bolt base damage to 603.
-Added Skullfish Soup.
-Fixed Elixir of the Mongoose and Elixir of Major Agility also affect spell crit.
-Fixed Static Shock to not proc on Windfury.
-BestDpsBuild.txt added to package. This is supposed to be the best dps spec with baseline gear(sunwell). I'll update this as theorycrafters do their job.
enhsim - Google Code
These are the mana costs I use, please check are they right:
Stormstrike 8%
Earth Shock 23%
Flame Shock 17%
Frost Shock 18%
Lava Burst 22%
Lightning Bolt 10%
One more thing. I don't model the durations of Shamanistic Focus and Elemental Focus, because it is virtually impossible with any sane rotation for them to fade.
-Lightning Bolt mana cost changed to 10%.
0.7.5
-Fixed Elemental Precision to add 1/2/3% hit.
-EnhSim now simulates also the MPS or mana usage. base_mana added to config.
-You can see (procs/uses) per minute in the statistics.
-Flametongue stats are now also properly recorded.
-Added Call of Thunder talent.
-Added Shamanistic Focus talent.
-Added Convection talent.
-Added Elemental Focus talent.
-Changed Mental Quickness talent to affect mana usage.
-Config file is closed as soons as it is read, instead of closing it at the end of application. This allows to run multiple simulations simultaneously from the GUI.
-Fixed Lightning Bolt base damage to 603.
-Added Skullfish Soup.
-Fixed Elixir of the Mongoose and Elixir of Major Agility also affect spell crit.
-Fixed Static Shock to not proc on Windfury.
-BestDpsBuild.txt added to package. This is supposed to be the best dps spec with baseline gear(sunwell). I'll update this as theorycrafters do their job
.enhsim - Google Code
These are the mana costs I use, please check are they right:
Stormstrike 8%
Earth Shock 23%
Flame Shock 17%
Frost Shock 18%
Lava Burst 22%
Lightning Bolt 10%
One more thing. I don't model the durations of Shamanistic Focus and Elemental Focus, because it is virtually impossible with any sane rotation for them to fade.
Tukez do flametongue weapon give passive spell damage bonus? I s 96 spell piower at level right value?
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Tukez do flametongue weapon give passive spell damage bonus? I s 96 spell piower at level right value?
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In the new version (after the LB fix) I'm now finding that a slow offhand with WF is much more competitive with the fast FT. The inflated LB numbers must have favored the faster MW stacking of a fast offhand. I'm seeing WF with a slight 30dps edge over FT using a 1.4 speed OH, but they are tied using a 1.3 for FT.
I'm also still seeing Reverb still not worth giving up MW even with reduced LB damage. Best I've done thus far is ~2530dps in this version of the sim.
edit: Wowwiki says base mana should be 2678 for all 70 shaman regardless of race.
edit2: The best build I could come up with for this sim included 1 point in static shock and valued this at ~15-20dps. Hopefully Feral Spirit is worth more than this (it needs to be if it's going to be worth shit in PvE), thus the best build at 70 wouldn't bother with static shock.
I'm also still seeing Reverb still not worth giving up MW even with reduced LB damage. Best I've done thus far is ~2530dps in this version of the sim.
edit: Wowwiki says base mana should be 2678 for all 70 shaman regardless of race.
edit2: The best build I could come up with for this sim included 1 point in static shock and valued this at ~15-20dps. Hopefully Feral Spirit is worth more than this (it needs to be if it's going to be worth shit in PvE), thus the best build at 70 wouldn't bother with static shock.
Last edited by Skiace : 09/07/08 at 5:31 PM.
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Am I doing this right?
I downloaded v0.7.6, I open enhsimgui.exe and load bestdpsbuild.
Then I change talents to this.
OH speed to 1.3, dps to 87, add 96 to spellpower for flametongue, trinkets to shard of contempt / Crusade Card, 10k hours and simulate.
Results in 3061.70dps at 119.55mps
I downloaded v0.7.6, I open enhsimgui.exe and load bestdpsbuild.
Then I change talents to this.
OH speed to 1.3, dps to 87, add 96 to spellpower for flametongue, trinkets to shard of contempt / Crusade Card, 10k hours and simulate.
Results in 3061.70dps at 119.55mps
Last edited by Sorry : 09/07/08 at 7:55 PM.
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Originally Posted by Sorry
Am I doing this right?
I downloaded v0.7.6, I open enhsimgui.exe and load bestdpsbuild. Then I change talents to this. OH speed to 1.3, dps to 87, add 96 to spellpower for flametongue, 10k hours and simulate. Results in 2991.58dps at 122.19mps |
Changeing to a slow offhand with WF was about a 2-3% dps loss, much closer than in the last version of the sim. This is encouraging, but considering the FT speed interaction I noted, I feel like FT really isn't working as intended right now. A 1.3 offhand improves MW dps by 30% over a 2.6 right now. That's a big boost.
edit: Also, if we're trying to compare specs based on the Bestdpsbuild.txt, lets not change any of the trinkets. I was able to get 2998dps with the build you linked without changing trinkets.
Last edited by Skiace : 09/07/08 at 8:22 PM.
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Originally Posted by Sorry
Am I doing this right?
I downloaded v0.7.6, I open enhsimgui.exe and load bestdpsbuild. Then I change talents to this. OH speed to 1.3, dps to 87, add 96 to spellpower for flametongue, trinkets to shard of contempt / Crusade Card, 10k hours and simulate. Results in 3061.70dps at 119.55mps |
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Originally Posted by Skiace
Changeing to a slow offhand with WF was about a 2-3% dps loss, much closer than in the last version of the sim. This is encouraging, but considering the FT speed interaction I noted, I feel like FT really isn't working as intended right now. Either that, or MW needs to proc off of WF in order to make slow weapons competitive. A 1.3 offhand improves MW dps by 30% over a 2.6 right now. That's a big boost.
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Originally Posted by tukez
In the sim MW procs from WF too. It should not?
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Considering it is procing off WF in the sim, then I'm even more suspect of the behavior of FT and fast weapons. An 87dps weapons should NEVER outperform a 110 dps weapon based on speed alone.
EDIT: To further illustrate the point, right now I'm seeing [] within 0.5% of a new fast weapon out of Naxx 10: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...0_loot_018.jpg
The 143dps @1.6 manages to beat the 45dps @1.3, but just barely. If the sim is accurately reflecting FT and MW behavior, we need to make some noise about it.
EDIT2: Also seeing that dual wielding [] is not as good as Slow/Fast, but it's better than Slow/Slow right now. If the sim is accurate, this is broken behavior in my opinion.
Last edited by Skiace : 09/07/08 at 8:45 PM.
Maelstrom is just bugged or something in Beta, it hasn't proced off Windfury crits since it was implemented. I would leave the sim as is, my assumption is that its going to be fixed in the next shaman round.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
The 143dps @1.6 manages to beat the 45dps @1.3, but just barely. If the sim is accurately reflecting FT and MW behavior, we need to make some noise about it.
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I'll double check couple of mechanics, especially flametongue. I think I'll also do some tests with lag. I think it would favor slower weapons, but it probably wouldn't do much about the problem, that crappy 1.3 dagger is better than a good 1.5 dagger.
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Off-hand weapon dps ep is allways been very small. Around 3.5ep with 2.6s and Wf. With 1.3s and Ft it's only 2.2ep. Now it's actual so small that if we see fast one-hand caster weapon we could use it and dps will go up. Caster weapon dps also scale in wrath. [Cudgel of Saronity Justice]
Edit: I think it's just oversight and gonna be fixed.
Edit: I think it's just oversight and gonna be fixed.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/08/08 at 4:15 AM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Off-hand weapon dps ep is allways been very small. Around 3.5ep with 2.6s and Wf. With 1.3s and Ft it's only 2.2ep. Now it's actual so small that if we see fast one-hand caster weapon we could use it and dps will go up. Caster weapon dps also scale in wrath. [Cudgel of Saronity Justice]
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Another discovery:
I tested new naxx weapons and 1.8s caster weapon destroy 2.6s melee weapon in mainhand. Gap was over 150dps. Dps was same with douple flametongue or windfury/flametongue.
I also tested TBC weapons: [] and [] was pretty much par. Melee weapon win when calculted extra melee stats.
Spell damage potential is quite big now.
Edit: That's bug only lower ft/ft dps. But Wf/ft with caster weapon was same amount dps boost. So caster weapon still look like a viable choice.
I tested new naxx weapons and 1.8s caster weapon destroy 2.6s melee weapon in mainhand. Gap was over 150dps. Dps was same with douple flametongue or windfury/flametongue.
I also tested TBC weapons: [] and [] was pretty much par. Melee weapon win when calculted extra melee stats.
Spell damage potential is quite big now.
Edit: That's bug only lower ft/ft dps. But Wf/ft with caster weapon was same amount dps boost. So caster weapon still look like a viable choice.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/08/08 at 9:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Another discovery:
I tested new naxx weapons and 1.8s caster weapon destroy 2.6s melee weapon in mainhand. Gap was over 150dps. Dps was same with douple flametongue or windfury/flametongue. I also tested TBC weapons: [] and [] was pretty much par. Melee weapon win when calculted extra melee stats. Spell damage potential is quite big now. |
EnhSim 0.7.7
0.7.7
-Stormstrike PPM statistic is now a accurate. It shows the PPM of casts.
-Fixed MH flametongue bug.
-Flametongue now gives 96 spellpower.
-Option to use searing totem approximation removed.
enhsim - Google Code
The reason I removed the Searing Totem approximation is, that it just wasn't accurate anymore. That is because of the overall increase in spell damage, after I made that approximation.
I tried different event systems in hope of making it faster, but seems like my old system is still faster than heaps etc. Maybe I'll try to make up something faster by modifying my system, because I am not satisfied with speed currently. On my computer it is about 2400000 times normal. Used to be a lot more...oh well, that happens when you add a bunch of new procs.
-Stormstrike PPM statistic is now a accurate. It shows the PPM of casts.
-Fixed MH flametongue bug.
-Flametongue now gives 96 spellpower.
-Option to use searing totem approximation removed.
enhsim - Google Code
The reason I removed the Searing Totem approximation is, that it just wasn't accurate anymore. That is because of the overall increase in spell damage, after I made that approximation.
I tried different event systems in hope of making it faster, but seems like my old system is still faster than heaps etc. Maybe I'll try to make up something faster by modifying my system, because I am not satisfied with speed currently. On my computer it is about 2400000 times normal. Used to be a lot more...oh well, that happens when you add a bunch of new procs.
Sim looks great. One quick question. Any reason that Reverberation talent is not included as an option to test its effects?
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Originally Posted by Levva
Sim looks great. One quick question. Any reason that Reverberation talent is not included as an option to test its effects?
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average_shocks_per_minute 10.0 //for example, put to 10.0 to have shock cooldown of 6 seconds
Example Fs, SS, LvB was suggested before anyone tested it with sim. It's very bad low dps rotion but without simulator it looked good and easy rotation. If there was just Reverberation talent to calculate shock cooldown you couldn't set this rotation for sim.
Reverberation is about 0.5% dps per talent point.
Mana usage and how we can handle it:
With this build at 70lvl base rotation mana usage is around 13k. Totem droppin cost 39% of base mana this is 1044mana. We can expect 6k buffed mana pool at least.(Elixir of Major Agility + Elixir of Draenic Wisdom). If we expected get free mana bar every time shamanist rage is up this leave only (105/120 * 14000) - 6000 =~ 6000 mana negative. Jow is 4% of total mana, 100% proc and 4s Cd. If we get proc least one time per 5s this give us 5040mana. Now we are at negative 1000 mana. Mana spring give us 50mp5 * 21 = 1050mana. We can sustain basic rotation + totems infinite even without replenish effect or other outside mana sources.
Edit: Levva it's work just like you want. Just use reverse math.
0/5 = 120 / (6.0 + lag)
1/5 = 120 / (5.8 + lag)
2/5 = 120 / (5.6 + lag)
3/5 = 120 / (5.4 + lag)
4/5 = 120 / (5.2 + lag)
5/5 = 120 / (5.0 + lag)
Shock per minute don't actual tell how many shock sim use per minute. It's tell to sim what is max number per minute what is same as shock cd. If shock priority is set low then sim use far less shock than you have actual inputted.
Example with this config;
... average_shocks_per_minute 10.00 ... stormstrike_cooldown 9.00 ... rotation_priority1 mw_lb rotation_priority2 ss rotation_priority3 fs rotation_priority4 es rotation_priority5 ls
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/09/08 at 9:41 AM.
So the new GUI front end is windows only? 
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
From the config file:
average_shocks_per_minute 10.0 //for example, put to 10.0 to have shock cooldown of 6 seconds Example Fs, SS, LvB was suggested before anyone tested it with sim. It's very bad low dps rotion but without simulator it looked good and easy rotation. If there was just Reverberation talent to calculate shock cooldown you couldn't set this rotation for sim. Reverberation is about 0.5% dps per talent point. |
I would think that it would make the sim easier to use to include a 5 pt Reverberation drop down and a warning if the "average_shocks_per_minute" was impossible given Reverberation. eg: 10.1 shocks per minute is impossible with 0/5 Reverberation. The max value with 5/5 Reverberation would be 12.0 shocks per minute.
My thought is that aside from any DPS increase it MIGHT be that offsetting the shock CD by 0.2 sec or 0.4 sec etc may open up extra GCDs or stagger timings sufficiently to prove useful. The only real way to tell is via a sim. If the sim doesn't support that you cannot tell.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Yes but it was also said that you change "average_shocks_per_minute" to reflect a deal of reality on how many shocks you can realistically get with latency, reaction times etc. ie: the AVERAGE not the IDEAL shocks per minute.
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Meanwhile, just to clarify: average_shocks_per_minute sets the shock cooldown. As Pitbuller said, it does not mean that shock is used as soon as the cooldown is ready.
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Originally Posted by Malan
So the new GUI front end is windows only?
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Bleh. There's no Makefile in the source directory. Can we get that, please? Trying to figure out how to compile this on something else than Wintendo is hard enough.
Question about the source: Where does "Sleep()" come from? Closest hit I know of is sleep(3)
I had some trouble installing ZThread. It didn't like my environment variables. Solved that by using "CPPFLAGS=-fpermissive" as an option to configure.
Question about the source: Where does "Sleep()" come from? Closest hit I know of is sleep(3)
#include <unistd.h>
unsigned int sleep(unsigned int seconds);
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Originally Posted by Raut
Bleh. There's no Makefile in the source directory. Can we get that, please? Trying to figure out how to compile this on something else than Wintendo is hard enough.
Question about the source: Where does "Sleep()" come from? Closest hit I know of is sleep(3) #include <unistd.h>
unsigned int sleep(unsigned int seconds);
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That Sleep() you can safely remove. It is some legacy stuff left from multithreading testing and I will remove it from the source also.
Remember if you can't get the ZThread working you can disable it by using NOTHREADS define.
g++ -pthread -I/usr/local/ZThread/include *.cpp /usr/local/ZThread/lib/libZThread.a -o enhsim
IDEs are really a matter of taste IMO. I don't see why I would have to get, install and learn one to be able to do the above line. If nothing else, please include it in your compile_instructions as the file is a bit sparse on how to actually compile your program.
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Originally Posted by Raut
g++ -pthread -I/usr/local/ZThread/include *.cpp /usr/local/ZThread/lib/libZThread.a -o enhsim IDEs are really a matter of taste IMO. I don't see why I would have to get, install and learn one to be able to do the above line. If nothing else, please include it in your compile_instructions as the file is a bit sparse on how to actually compile your program. |
I'll include that line as example in the instructions.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Maybe I should remove the average_shocks_per_minute and add shock_cooldown. If I implement lag in the sim I can remove the shock_cooldown entirely and add Reverberation. What do you think?
Meanwhile, just to clarify: average_shocks_per_minute sets the shock cooldown. As Pitbuller said, it does not mean that shock is used as soon as the cooldown is ready. |
The absolutely ideal world scenario is useful I suspect only at the level of comparison with real world. If for example the sim showed that a 100 ms lag/reaction time favoured a different rotation/setup vs a 0ms lag/reaction time then that would be useful info to know.
It may show a tipping point. ie: at x ms lag you are better switching to ABC setup over XYZ as lag will cause XXXX to give lower dps... etc. Then again it may be a straight line less lag = more dps with one fixed setup/spec. Having the sim provide this info would be ideal.
I implemented lag as random time added to cooldowns requiring input, also on global cooldown. Here are the results, you tell me is it worth to have. Quick test shows the speed decrease to be about 5%. Maybe 10%.
Tests were made with the default BestDpsBuild.txt.
Tests were made with the default BestDpsBuild.txt.
A very straight line. If you've already implemented the code I'd keep it there and have a default lag parameter of say 50ms or 100ms. There is always going to be some lag. If there is an option then people who want ideal, unachievable dps in their sims can set lag to zero. Those that prefer to see achievable real world values can keep it in. The issue is if blizzard make any changes where the lag becomes a factor if the sim can handle the lag now we can flag that up to them instantly.
I play with usually 150-250 ms lag as normal on my 8Mb ADSL connection, lower than that is very rare. I am aware that Oceanic players often have significantly higher lag.
If the sim can give values we can readily replicate in game it becomes more meaningful, and we can trust the output or even find specific bugs where the real values differ from the sim. If the sim gives values that we never seem to achieve (due to lag) it makes it harder to accept the sim is accurate and harder to notice the more obscure bugs.
I play with usually 150-250 ms lag as normal on my 8Mb ADSL connection, lower than that is very rare. I am aware that Oceanic players often have significantly higher lag.
If the sim can give values we can readily replicate in game it becomes more meaningful, and we can trust the output or even find specific bugs where the real values differ from the sim. If the sim gives values that we never seem to achieve (due to lag) it makes it harder to accept the sim is accurate and harder to notice the more obscure bugs.
EnhSim 0.7.8
0.7.8
-Lag is taken into account. Use lag_min and lag_max to set the lag. It is in milliseconds.
enhsim - Google Code
-Lag is taken into account. Use lag_min and lag_max to set the lag. It is in milliseconds.
enhsim - Google Code
Might be a good idea to include threat in the simulation. You would input the TPS the tank does and then we can include Windshock in the rotation.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Might be a good idea to include threat in the simulation. You would input the TPS the tank does and then we can include Windshock in the rotation.
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Threath might be big problem. I calcuted threath from dps what sim show and it was horrifed 2323. Might be hard find tank who do 2112tps at sunwell level. Tanks get TPS boost but I doubt that it that big.
Ps. I want bloodlust too.
I was wondering if there were any plans to intergrate your sim into a Rawr model?
Using their interface to pull info from the Armory on all the items, as well as specifying buffs and debuffs involved, and then inputting it all into your simulator to run the actual numbers?
(sorry if this question is retarded from a technical side, I don't know anything about programming. My main used to be a mage and nothing compared to Rawr.mage for ease of use and I miss it.)
Tanks are currently running 3-4k tps in the Beta, from what people have posted. Don't forget that they are baking the Salv threat reduction into the tanking abilities.
Using their interface to pull info from the Armory on all the items, as well as specifying buffs and debuffs involved, and then inputting it all into your simulator to run the actual numbers?
(sorry if this question is retarded from a technical side, I don't know anything about programming. My main used to be a mage and nothing compared to Rawr.mage for ease of use and I miss it.)
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Very good idea.
Threath might be big problem. I calcuted threath from dps what sim show and it was horrifed 2323. Might be hard find tank who do 2112tps at sunwell level. Tanks get TPS boost but I doubt that it that big. Ps. I want bloodlust too. |
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Very good idea.
Threath might be big problem. I calcuted threath from dps what sim show and it was horrifed 2323. Might be hard find tank who do 2112tps at sunwell level. Tanks get TPS boost but I doubt that it that big. Ps. I want bloodlust too. |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I was wondering if there were any plans to intergrate your sim into a Rawr model?
Using their interface to pull info from the Armory on all the items, as well as specifying buffs and debuffs involved, and then inputting it all into your simulator to run the actual numbers? (sorry if this question is retarded from a technical side, I don't know anything about programming. My main used to be a mage and nothing compared to Rawr.mage for ease of use and I miss it.) |
Maybe someone wants to make better GUI for EnhSim!
Bloodlust is simple:
One or two shaman?
If one then uptime is (combat length / 10) and then round it up next integer and divide it by combat length - last bloodlust partial loss divided by combat length.
If two then uptime is (combat length / 5) and then round it up next integer and divide it by combat length - last bloodlust partial loss divided by combat length.
Then you can even stack bloodlust with other cooldowns.
One or two shaman?
If one then uptime is (combat length / 10) and then round it up next integer and divide it by combat length - last bloodlust partial loss divided by combat length.
If two then uptime is (combat length / 5) and then round it up next integer and divide it by combat length - last bloodlust partial loss divided by combat length.
Then you can even stack bloodlust with other cooldowns.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Bloodlust is simple:
One or two shaman? If one then uptime is (combat length / 10) and then round it up next integer and divide it by combat length - last bloodlust partial loss divided by combat length. If two then uptime is (combat length / 5) and then round it up next integer and divide it by combat length - last bloodlust partial loss divided by combat length. Then you can even stack bloodlust with other cooldowns. |
. I'm stupid, explain please. What do I do with uptime? Do I change the duration or the cooldown. Whaaat?The sim won't work with Rawr - the idea behind Rawr is that its providing an interface to a closed form solution. The results are computed 'live', not after running a simulated combat.
Any chance of an output option that shows an EP string similar to output from Yo's!. Even if it was on the screen in the cmd prompt window it can at least be cut n' paste. Ideally output to file though for import into addons such as EquivalencePoints so you can see the personalised EP values in game on tooltip.
Did someone already try to calculate EP values for the 3.0 Patch? Today i saw the changes to our T6-Set and i am wondering, if T6 (from MH and BT) could be the best choice after the 3.0 patch !?
Sorry if it is already written down somewhere in the forums, i couldn't find it.
Sorry if it is already written down somewhere in the forums, i couldn't find it.
Slim chances of that, Artoxia. Strength is subbed with AP so T6 is actually worth less than it is now(given today's EP values). Given the boost in crit, hit and ag, I'd say hunter items will come out on top mixed with rogue loot like today.
Tukez what cause difference with ep calculation base dps and normal sim run dps.
With same config file ep calculator show 3500dps and sim run give 3053dps.
I made new version of BestDpsBuild.txt but now I can't trust final ep values becouse of that dps differiance.
I changed weapons to [Hand of the Deceiver] and [Brutal Gladiator's Shiv] and corrected spell damage from 560 to 600 and some minor changes. Rotation and build should be now one of the best. Most 0.1% off.
Can you Tukez add this version to next version.
With same config file ep calculator show 3500dps and sim run give 3053dps.
I made new version of BestDpsBuild.txt but now I can't trust final ep values becouse of that dps differiance.
I changed weapons to [Hand of the Deceiver] and [Brutal Gladiator's Shiv] and corrected spell damage from 560 to 600 and some minor changes. Rotation and build should be now one of the best. Most 0.1% off.
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 150 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_ignore 600 ep_spellpower 300 mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 114.4 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 30.0 oh_crit 30.0 mh_hit 11.0 oh_hit 11.0 mh_expertise_rating 110.0 oh_expertise_rating 110.0 ap 2000 haste 5 ignore_armor 500 str 100 agi 400 int 300 spellpower 600 spell_crit 20 spell_hit 14.00 base_mana 2678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 berserkers_call trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond average_shocks_per_minute 10.00 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 mw_lb rotation_priority2 fs rotation_priority3 ss rotation_priority4 es rotation_priority5 ls miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 stormstrike_cooldown 9.00 stormstrike_nature_damage_buff 0.00 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 flurry 5/5 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 weapon_mastery 5/5 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 static_shock 2/3 concussion 5/5 convection 0/5 call_of_flame 0/3 call_of_thunder 0/5 elemental_devastation 3/3 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 381/381 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item drums_of_battle
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Originally Posted by tukez
What you say? Sorry I don't get it entirely
. I'm stupid, explain please. What do I do with uptime? Do I change the duration or the cooldown. Whaaat? |
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Tukez what cause difference with ep calculation base dps and normal sim run dps.
With same config file ep calculator show 3500dps and sim run give 3053dps. |
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EnhSim 0.7.9
0.7.9
-Flametongue bug fixed. It was giving multiple times the spellpower depending on the number of simulations/threads.
-Internal event system changes. Expect a slight speed increase.
-BestDpsBuild.txt updated.
enhsim - Google Code
Fortunately the bug was a trivial one.
-Flametongue bug fixed. It was giving multiple times the spellpower depending on the number of simulations/threads.
-Internal event system changes. Expect a slight speed increase.
-BestDpsBuild.txt updated.
enhsim - Google Code
Fortunately the bug was a trivial one.
Last edited by tukez : 09/10/08 at 10:56 AM.
EnhSim 0.8.0
0.8.0
-Flametongue bug also fixed for MH Flametongue, ouch.
enhsim - Google Code
Yeah, event that trivial bug was too much for me
-Flametongue bug also fixed for MH Flametongue, ouch.
enhsim - Google Code
Yeah, event that trivial bug was too much for me
Ep values at 70lvl after spell hit and exptertice cap with best dps spec and rotation. Using bestDpsBuild.txt config. High sunwell gear level.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2986.53 ap 1 0.57 3157.99 171.46 crit rating 2.40 1.37 3123.42 136.89 hit rating 1.74 0.99 3135.35 148.82 expertise rating 0 haste rating 2.08 1.19 3223.92 237.39 armor ignore 0.21 0.12 3057.72 71.19 spellpower 1.15 0.66 3183.36 196.83 strength 1.10 agility 2.23 intelligence 1.34 elapsed simulation time: 120000.00h elapsed real time: 617.53s simulation speed: 699560x
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Originally Posted by Malan
The sim won't work with Rawr - the idea behind Rawr is that its providing an interface to a closed form solution. The results are computed 'live', not after running a simulated combat.
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It's really nice to be able to pull your current character from the armory and then have options for gear selection instead of having to sit down and manually input all the stats twice if trying to simulate the dps from changing a single piece of gear. To say nothing of how great it would be to be able to save the gear sets and the results from their simulated runs so you could just change that one piece and rerun the sim and get results right away.
Play with Rawr.mage for 10 minutes and you will see what I am talking about.
Yah, making the sims more *like* Rawr would be great. I'm just saying that the sim won't fit *into* rawr.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Yah, making the sims more *like* Rawr would be great. I'm just saying that the sim won't fit *into* rawr.
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aren't you a programmer? get to it!
Its not a programming thing its the nature of how Rawr works. Or do you mean the gui front end? I don't know Visual C++.
I'd greatly prefer that these sims were made as multi-platform as possible, to include any GUIs.
I'd greatly prefer that these sims were made as multi-platform as possible, to include any GUIs.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Or do you mean the gui front end?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
That.
my problem too. |
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Originally Posted by tukez
Why do you people need use Visual C++ to make the GUI? Do a fresh start with Java or anything you prefer
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This is Rawr
Rawr - Release: Rawr b16
Download it and load up the mage version and then pull Rounce from US-Mal'Ganis from the armory and play with the items and buffs and talent specs and everything else. I used that a great deal when we were working on Brutallus (before I main-switched to my shaman) and it was indispensible.
What I would kill kittens for would be that interface for my shaman with the ability to press a button and have it run your sim from the buffs and items on the paper doll and then give me dps and sustainability and AeP values from that.
The GUI also pulls data from armory so new items can be added very easily to the list.
As for the comparison data and the optimizations it would seem that if you were deriving AeP values from the Sim runs you would be able to have comparison data available based on the values from that most recent Sim run. Sure a closed model would be easier but if your sim is that much faster then Yo!'s it shouldn't be a big deal to have it run a Sim whenever you want to confirm the AeP values for all the items.
Problem is that I have no knowledge whatsoever about coding. I don't even think I remember how to make the turtle move at this point (and that was the sum total of my programming experience from back when I was 10 or 11 years old - and if any of you remember the turtle anymore I would be surprised). I'm an end-user and I would probably have greater success writing a novel in Russian then coding out a GUI like Rawr's for your sim in any coding language.
Tukez sim model that flametongue proc maelstorm weapon. It should not.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Tukez sim model that flametongue proc maelstorm weapon. It should not.
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Somehow flametongue did increase MW damage by 50 and then I rememebered passive spell damage. Fool me.
Flametongue proc static shock is something what is hard answer. It deal damage so If we belive tooltip then yes. But it not should proc another proc from another view. Testing in beta ins't right way to test how it should work. In beta there is so much bugs still.
Flametongue proc static shock is something what is hard answer. It deal damage so If we belive tooltip then yes. But it not should proc another proc from another view. Testing in beta ins't right way to test how it should work. In beta there is so much bugs still.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Ep values at 70lvl after spell hit and exptertice cap with best dps spec and rotation. Using bestDpsBuild.txt config. High sunwell gear level.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2986.53 ap 1 0.57 3157.99 171.46 crit rating 2.40 1.37 3123.42 136.89 hit rating 1.74 0.99 3135.35 148.82 expertise rating 0 haste rating 2.08 1.19 3223.92 237.39 armor ignore 0.21 0.12 3057.72 71.19 spellpower 1.15 0.66 3183.36 196.83 strength 1.10 agility 2.23 intelligence 1.34 elapsed simulation time: 120000.00h elapsed real time: 617.53s simulation speed: 699560x |
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Expertise value before cap ~2.86ep.
Hit value before spell hit cap ~4.33ep.
But don't use these numbers for loot rank. If you use those you go way over hit cap and don't get perfect gear. Put hit and expertice value same as crit rating. If this gear don't give enought spell hit to cap then you gem it. Expertice is little easier to get cap: just use 3*sunwell T6 and magister trinket don't bother to cap if you don't have those items.
I made link to lootrank. So many caster item at list. It's almoust funny that elemental t6 shoulders are almoust better than enchancement. Ignore feral items. Str ep value is 2 now becouse t6 items get str->2ap change but lootronk don't know it yet. If these ep values hold still at 80lvl we can wear anything but mana regen gear for dps.
Hit value before spell hit cap ~4.33ep.
But don't use these numbers for loot rank. If you use those you go way over hit cap and don't get perfect gear. Put hit and expertice value same as crit rating. If this gear don't give enought spell hit to cap then you gem it. Expertice is little easier to get cap: just use 3*sunwell T6 and magister trinket don't bother to cap if you don't have those items.
I made link to lootrank. So many caster item at list. It's almoust funny that elemental t6 shoulders are almoust better than enchancement. Ignore feral items. Str ep value is 2 now becouse t6 items get str->2ap change but lootronk don't know it yet. If these ep values hold still at 80lvl we can wear anything but mana regen gear for dps.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/11/08 at 11:38 AM.
New build's Enchant :
Enchant Weapon - Accuracy -- Permanently enchant a melee weapon to increase critical strike and hit rating by 25. Requires a level 60 or higher item.
Can we have this added to the sim please.
Enchant Weapon - Accuracy -- Permanently enchant a melee weapon to increase critical strike and hit rating by 25. Requires a level 60 or higher item.
Can we have this added to the sim please.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
I made link to lootrank. So many caster item at list. It's almoust funny that elemental t6 shoulders are better than enchancement. Ignore feral items. Str ep value is 2 now becouse t6 items get str->2ap change but lootronk don't know it yet. If these ep values hold still at 80lvl we can wear anything but mana regen gear for dps.
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Originally Posted by Bellante
Sunfire robe as 2nd best chestpiece. Something stinks
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Updated lootrank!
To Levva:
Edit: You can't rank weapons with lootrank period. You can make some list but only with simulator. Ingnore all weapons. There ins't linear weapon speed ep value. In main-hand slow is good but extremely fast is also better than medium speed. Just ignore weapons.
Edit2: You can try use Wdps ep values. 2.6s mh weapon with wf = 5.95ep and 1.4s oh weapon with ft = 1.94ep.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
You are right. Can't rank healing item as spell power items becouse then spell damage items double dip. Corrected that bug. Changed to beta wolkt loorank.
Updated lootrank! |
Edit: To Pitbuller
Ah ok thought it couldn't be true. Would be a major indication of Blizzard having totally screwed us if [Gavel of Unearthed Secrets] truly was our best weapon :-)
Last edited by Levva : 09/11/08 at 1:02 PM.
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Edit: Lootrank looks pretty weird to me, on the items the armor penetration has been converted to rating but not on gems.
Last edited by Hidden : 09/11/08 at 1:53 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
You are right. Can't rank healing item as spell power items becouse then spell damage items double dip. Corrected that bug. Changed to beta wolkt loorank.
Updated lootrank! |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Still have Strength set to 2 instead of 1.1 even though all the Tiered items are fixed on that version of Lootrank. (makes it overvalue druid feral items outta SWP like the demontooth shoulders).
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Use the parameters below. Change only the AP from 0 to 11. There is 0 change in dps. Does the sim round down for until it has an even multiple of 14AP?
Anyway, then change AP to 14. We have 150% of the expected dps gain from it (unless 14AP = 1 dps doesn't hold true anymore, I haven't followed WoW for a long time).
Interestingly (to me), this sim is giving 1.5 white dps increase for each 14AP - when I put in 28 AP, dps goes up another 1.5. Heh, maybe it did change in Blizzard's formulas and I just sorta missed that over the past few months.
I did verify that putting in 0 for everything except using a 1dps one handed weapon, I did get 1 dps.
Anyway, then change AP to 14. We have 150% of the expected dps gain from it (unless 14AP = 1 dps doesn't hold true anymore, I haven't followed WoW for a long time).
Interestingly (to me), this sim is giving 1.5 white dps increase for each 14AP - when I put in 28 AP, dps goes up another 1.5. Heh, maybe it did change in Blizzard's formulas and I just sorta missed that over the past few months.
I did verify that putting in 0 for everything except using a 1dps one handed weapon, I did get 1 dps.
Last edited by Disquette : 09/11/08 at 9:58 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Ignore feral items. Lootrank tooltips have changed but actual database hasn't. I tried with str 1.1ep value and all T6 enhancement items dropped have to live with bugged database.
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Except I have the Demontooth Shoulders (feral) and they are a really good item now and they will be even better in WotLK.
Hey Disquette, we've missed your excellent sage advice 
Tukez, in the shaman wotlk thread, there's a new blue post with some pretty hefty changes, just FYI.
Tukez, in the shaman wotlk thread, there's a new blue post with some pretty hefty changes, just FYI.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Except I have the Demontooth Shoulders (feral) and they are a really good item now and they will be even better in WotLK.
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Originally Posted by Disquette
Use the parameters below. Change only the AP from 0 to 11. There is 0 change in dps. Does the sim round down for until it has an even multiple of 14AP?
Anyway, then change AP to 14. We have 150% of the expected dps gain from it (unless 14AP = 1 dps doesn't hold true anymore, I haven't followed WoW for a long time). Interestingly (to me), this sim is giving 1.5 white dps increase for each 14AP - when I put in 28 AP, dps goes up another 1.5. Heh, maybe it did change in Blizzard's formulas and I just sorta missed that over the past few months. I did verify that putting in 0 for everything except using a 1dps one handed weapon, I did get 1 dps. |
Last edited by tukez : 09/12/08 at 8:50 AM.
Alrighty, ty. I'll play with it a bit more as I have time. If WAR keeps being bad, I'll be playing WoW, so I figured I should start figuring out if I want to play my rogue or my shammy, and Malan had told me about this thread last week.
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Originally Posted by Disquette
and Malan had told me about this thread last week.
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EnhSim 0.9.0
0.9.0
-Performance optimizations.
-Reodered talents and rotation&misc in the config files.
-Added Reverberation talent.
-Removed average_shocks_per_minute config option as unused. Increase the lag to simulate real playing environment.
-Added Bloodlust. You can have eiher 0, 1 or 2(or more) casters for Bloodlust. There is also option to sync bloodlust with trinkets.
-Every combat_length, bloodlust, miscellanous item, potion and on use trinkets are resetted.
-Bug fix: ap was being rounded down on the ap->dps calculation.
-With combatlogging, the combatlog.txt is now created if it does not exist and gets overwritten, if it does exist.
-Stormstrike charges modeled. They affect nature, fire and frost damage. Spells eating a charge are: ES,FS,Frost Shock,LvB,LB. Removed stormstrike_nature_damage_buff.
-Added Improved Stormstrike, removed stormstrike_cooldown. Also added Gladiator's Earthshaker set bonus.
-Call of Thunder is now 1 point talent and Elemental Fury is 5 point talent.
-Weapon Mastery is now 3 point talent.
-Lava Lash added. The mechanics are not correct yet.
enhsim - Google Code
I didn't change anything on Lava Burst yet.
I added Lava Lash, because of the limited theorycrafting purposes it might have. I do not know the correct mechanics but this is what I asssumed:
-Triggers static 1.5 gcd, not affected by haste.
-3s cooldown.
-4% mana cost.
-It uses OH weapon damage, eg. scales with AP.
-OH damage penalty is counted in.
-25% extra damage with flametongue off hand is additive...75% and 25% sums to 100%.
-It procs anything that yellow oh hits proc.
-It is affected by fire res and fire damage modifiers.
-It is not affected by armor.
If Bloodlust is synced with trinkets, with 2 casters, an extra 20s is waited after Sated ends. Meaning that the second one is casted at 6min. And so on...
-Performance optimizations.
-Reodered talents and rotation&misc in the config files.
-Added Reverberation talent.
-Removed average_shocks_per_minute config option as unused. Increase the lag to simulate real playing environment.
-Added Bloodlust. You can have eiher 0, 1 or 2(or more) casters for Bloodlust. There is also option to sync bloodlust with trinkets.
-Every combat_length, bloodlust, miscellanous item, potion and on use trinkets are resetted.
-Bug fix: ap was being rounded down on the ap->dps calculation.
-With combatlogging, the combatlog.txt is now created if it does not exist and gets overwritten, if it does exist.
-Stormstrike charges modeled. They affect nature, fire and frost damage. Spells eating a charge are: ES,FS,Frost Shock,LvB,LB. Removed stormstrike_nature_damage_buff.
-Added Improved Stormstrike, removed stormstrike_cooldown. Also added Gladiator's Earthshaker set bonus.
-Call of Thunder is now 1 point talent and Elemental Fury is 5 point talent.
-Weapon Mastery is now 3 point talent.
-Lava Lash added. The mechanics are not correct yet.
enhsim - Google Code
I didn't change anything on Lava Burst yet.
I added Lava Lash, because of the limited theorycrafting purposes it might have. I do not know the correct mechanics but this is what I asssumed:
-Triggers static 1.5 gcd, not affected by haste.
-3s cooldown.
-4% mana cost.
-It uses OH weapon damage, eg. scales with AP.
-OH damage penalty is counted in.
-25% extra damage with flametongue off hand is additive...75% and 25% sums to 100%.
-It procs anything that yellow oh hits proc.
-It is affected by fire res and fire damage modifiers.
-It is not affected by armor.
If Bloodlust is synced with trinkets, with 2 casters, an extra 20s is waited after Sated ends. Meaning that the second one is casted at 6min. And so on...
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EnhSim 0.9.1
0.9.1
-Lava Lash cooldown's end now triggers a possible action with rotation. Meaning that the simulated player "notices" the cooldown an does something based on the rotation priority.
enhsim - Google Code
Note, that I changed the rotation priority options to upper case to improve readability. In the GUI, if you get the skills two times to the rotation priority box, you probably have them still in lower case in the config.
-Lava Lash cooldown's end now triggers a possible action with rotation. Meaning that the simulated player "notices" the cooldown an does something based on the rotation priority.
enhsim - Google Code
Note, that I changed the rotation priority options to upper case to improve readability. In the GUI, if you get the skills two times to the rotation priority box, you probably have them still in lower case in the config.
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EnhSim 0.9.2
0.9.2
-Maelstrom Weapon 5 point talent added. It has 20/40/60/80/100% chance to add a charge.
enhsim - Google Code
-Maelstrom Weapon 5 point talent added. It has 20/40/60/80/100% chance to add a charge.
enhsim - Google Code
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edit: nvm, never thought my suggestion would be accepted by Blizzard 
But since MW has changed now, could we get EnhSim to tell us what is the average time to get a full MW stack with current config after calculating everything?
For example:
- the config says we have 30% crit and 5/5 MW, so it would tell us that average time for 5xMW is 4.3 sec and in 90% of the cases it was faster than 4.1 sec
- the config says we have 30% crit and 3/5 MW, so it would tell us that average time for 5xMW is 6.2 sec and in 90% of the cases it was faster than 4.7 sec,
So we'd get stats like: Average_time_to_5xMW: XX.X, Time_to_5xMW_in_90%_of_cases: XX.X
It would help a lot with deciding if we want 5/5, 4/5 or even 3/5 MW with our crit rate and we can put those extra talent points to a better use somewehre
But since MW has changed now, could we get EnhSim to tell us what is the average time to get a full MW stack with current config after calculating everything?
For example:
- the config says we have 30% crit and 5/5 MW, so it would tell us that average time for 5xMW is 4.3 sec and in 90% of the cases it was faster than 4.1 sec
- the config says we have 30% crit and 3/5 MW, so it would tell us that average time for 5xMW is 6.2 sec and in 90% of the cases it was faster than 4.7 sec,
So we'd get stats like: Average_time_to_5xMW: XX.X, Time_to_5xMW_in_90%_of_cases: XX.X
It would help a lot with deciding if we want 5/5, 4/5 or even 3/5 MW with our crit rate and we can put those extra talent points to a better use somewehre
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Originally Posted by Fearlezz
edit: nvm, never thought my suggestion would be accepted by Blizzard
But since MW has changed now, could we get EnhSim to tell us what is the average time to get a full MW stack with current config after calculating everything? For example: - the config says we have 30% crit and 5/5 MW, so it would tell us that average time for 5xMW is 4.3 sec and in 90% of the cases it was faster than 4.1 sec - the config says we have 30% crit and 3/5 MW, so it would tell us that average time for 5xMW is 6.2 sec and in 90% of the cases it was faster than 4.7 sec, So we'd get stats like: Average_time_to_5xMW: XX.X, Time_to_5xMW_in_90%_of_cases: XX.X It would help a lot with deciding if we want 5/5, 4/5 or even 3/5 MW with our crit rate and we can put those extra talent points to a better use somewehre |
1) How do I calculate that 90% treshold without recording every single MW stacking time? I don't know the maths. I think recording them all would slow the sim quite a bit and that is not what I want to do for a feature, which won't be used much.
2) Is it really necessary to know those times...you could just simulate it and see which gives the best dps?
Last edited by tukez : 09/14/08 at 10:56 AM.
Was just a thought, didn't think recording those full MW stacks somewhere and calculating stuff later would slow the sim down a lot.
You do have a point that you could just run the sim a few times and see what the best result is, I just thought that such a number would be nice to have to see what we can expect from rotations, but maybe it's just me. Anybody else who'd like to get such a number?
You do have a point that you could just run the sim a few times and see what the best result is, I just thought that such a number would be nice to have to see what we can expect from rotations, but maybe it's just me. Anybody else who'd like to get such a number?
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Edit2: You can try use Wdps ep values. 2.6s mh weapon with wf = 5.95ep and 1.4s oh weapon with ft = 1.94ep.
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Wraith Strike vs. Kel'Thuzad's Reach
Loses 66 DPS, that's 396 EP, but gains 530 EP from it's spell power?
They are the same item level and more important the same speed. It's the only slow Spell Power weapon around I've seen.
According to that, it would be the equivalent to a 179 DPS without spell power for an enhancement shaman (unless those values are outdated).
Am I missing something why that weapon hasn't been mentioned?
It's the first spell damage fist and slow, so it seems designed with you guys in mind.
Tukez, could you add the deathfrost enchant into the sim?
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Originally Posted by Roywyn
So, using the 1 MHDPS = 6 EP, 1 SP = 1.15 EP estimations from your charts, the new Spell Power Fist would blow every other weapon away?
Wraith Strike vs. Kel'Thuzad's Reach Loses 66 DPS, that's 396 EP, but gains 530 EP from it's spell power? They are the same item level and more important the same speed. It's the only slow Spell Power weapon around I've seen. According to that, it would be the equivalent to a 179 DPS without spell power for an enhancement shaman (unless those values are outdated). Am I missing something why that weapon hasn't been mentioned? It's the first spell damage fist and slow, so it seems designed with you guys in mind. |
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Originally Posted by Fearlezz
edit: nvm, never thought my suggestion would be accepted by Blizzard
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Originally Posted by Malan
People have been suggesting that on the beta forum from the day the ability was announced.
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That being said, based on simulations the best gems to socket with will be hit > everything until spell capped after 3.0 and in WotLK, correct? I just wanted to make sure of that since if I'm interpreting things correctly the current "best dps config" assumes capped spell hit.
While you're leveling gemming for crit instead of hit will give you better bang for your buck. Unless you plan on leveling on mobs 3 levels higher then you consistently. Spell hit cap for mobs 2 levels above you is only 6% if my memory serves me correctly.
For raiding though you are correct judging from the numbers from the sims.
For raiding though you are correct judging from the numbers from the sims.
I read on the WotLK thread, that WF proc chance should be 18% on one hand, not 20% as I have it modeled in the sim currently. Did I just understand that post wrong? I use the 36% chance with dual WF.
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Originally Posted by frozndevl
Tukez, could you add the deathfrost enchant into the sim?
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This is what I have gathered so far.
150 frost damage, uses spell crit. Affected by CSD. Don't know is it affected by Elemental Fury or not.
50% proc chance for spells, 20-25s cooldown.
Maybe 8-11% for melee, no cooldown?
Melee and spell proc cooldowns are independent.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I read on the WotLK thread, that WF proc chance should be 18% on one hand, not 20% as I have it modeled in the sim currently. Did I just understand that post wrong? I use the 36% chance with dual WF.
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Is it referring to actual proc chance with miss and avoidance or including the WF silence or something like it?
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Originally Posted by tukez
Yeah I can, but tell me first:
1) How do I calculate that 90% treshold without recording every single MW stacking time? I don't know the maths. I think recording them all would slow the sim quite a bit and that is not what I want to do for a feature, which won't be used much. 2) Is it really necessary to know those times...you could just simulate it and see which gives the best dps? |
The 90% or slightly more commonly expressed 95% confidence interval for 5 stacks average time is given by using the sample standard deviation. So all you need to do is to track the total, the square of the total and the count.
Pseudo code:
if mws == 0 then mwsTimer = Now() end if mws == 5 then mwsTimeTaken = Now()-mwsTimer mwsCount ++ mwsTotalTime += mwsTimeTaken mwsSDTime += mwsTimeTaken ^2 end
mwsAverage = mwsTotalTime/mwsCount mwsSD = sqrt((mwsSDTime/mwsCount)-(mwsAverage^2))
That wording is sufficient, although really it should be that we are 95% confident that the time taken will fall between those two values.
So you see a simple summation as you go and storing 3 values which is really not a huge overhead, and shouldn't add any noticeable time to the sim.
Last edited by Levva : 09/15/08 at 7:07 AM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Fairly simple, if you are recording the average time...
So you see a simple summation as you go and storing 3 values which is really not a huge overhead, and shouldn't add any noticeable time to the sim. |
DPS per point in maelstorm weapons. 0/0: 2876dps(-) 1/5: 3144dps(+286) 2/5: 3308dps(+164) 3/5: 3459dps(+151) 4/5: 3591dps(+133) 5/5: 3692dps(+101) 816dps talent. Even last point give over 100dps.
About windfury: Single wf = 20% and dual wf = 36%. 18% is wrong math(36% / 2) and you can ignore it. 36% come from shared cd and how it coded.(1-0.8^2)
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
DPS per point in maelstorm weapons. 0/0: 2876dps(-) 1/5: 3144dps(+286) 2/5: 3308dps(+164) 3/5: 3459dps(+151) 4/5: 3591dps(+133) 5/5: 3692dps(+101) 816dps talent. Even last point give over 100dps. About windfury: Single wf = 20% and dual wf = 36%. 18% is wrong math(36% / 2) and you can ignore it. 36% come from shared cd and how it coded.(1-0.8^2) |
With the old method anything less than 5/5 meant you still had some cast time which meant massive dps loss as you listed. Now 5 stacks means instant cast even with 1/5 MW. The old version 5 stacks at 4/5 talents meant 80% cast time reduction thus dps lost whilst casting. This got worse so that 1/5 meant 20% cast time reduction and as you said a lot of lost dps.
I take it that the sim assumes 2/2 Imp.Windfury Totem? As it seems to be a fairly must have talent, however what would be the effect of taking 1/2 Windfury Totem? Is it possible to add this to the sim? I STRONGLY suspect a dps loss but it would be nice to give numbers to prove it as someone on the Blizzard boards is bound to suggest a spec without it.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Ah but you are missing that those figures are from sim using OLD version of MW.
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Hmm extremely interesting and not what I'd have expected from a pure gut feeling. I take it that it derives from the time it takes to get stack of 5.
I've been testing it on beta and its nice and easy to get a stack of 5, soloing, its even quite possible to keep a stack going between mobs. ie: kill one then quickly pull the next and keep the stack going. Noticing you have the stack is the key but here is where I'd put in another plug for ShockAndAwe the updated version of DisqoDice that includes (or will include) support for MW, LvB & LL.
With ShockAndAwe its a piece of cake to see you have a stack of 5 MWs, as well ofc as seeing your SS & Shock cooldowns, your shield charges and your WF hidden CDs.
I've been testing it on beta and its nice and easy to get a stack of 5, soloing, its even quite possible to keep a stack going between mobs. ie: kill one then quickly pull the next and keep the stack going. Noticing you have the stack is the key but here is where I'd put in another plug for ShockAndAwe the updated version of DisqoDice that includes (or will include) support for MW, LvB & LL.
With ShockAndAwe its a piece of cake to see you have a stack of 5 MWs, as well ofc as seeing your SS & Shock cooldowns, your shield charges and your WF hidden CDs.
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Originally Posted by tukez
0.9.2
-Maelstrom Weapon 5 point talent added. It has 20/40/60/80/100% chance to add a charge. enhsim - Google Code |
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Originally Posted by Levva
Ah but you are missing that those figures are from sim using OLD version of MW. ie: you need 5 points in it or you don't get instant cast. Now with the proposed change even 1 pt in Maelstrom Weapon will alllow you to get 5 stacks of MW and instant cast. The difference is it will take longer if you spec less than 5/5 thus it becomes important to understand the average time and the spread of time it takes to reach 5 stacks. Hence the reason for suggesting that the average time calc is added to the sim.
With the old method anything less than 5/5 meant you still had some cast time which meant massive dps loss as you listed. Now 5 stacks means instant cast even with 1/5 MW. The old version 5 stacks at 4/5 talents meant 80% cast time reduction thus dps lost whilst casting. This got worse so that 1/5 meant 20% cast time reduction and as you said a lot of lost dps. |
I don't understand reason why people think that lava burst is something super good. It's auto crit but so what. Lighning bolt actual scale better. If you try fancy build with less than five point at maelstorm weapon you will get lot less lighning bolts. Lighning bolts are huge dps boost(+434dps vs only LvB). Reason why many people was asking maelstorm weapon talent change was that they underestimate lightning bolts and stated that LvB have 8s CD and you get avarage five stack lot faster than that. Then they think that you don't need all five points. But if you can use sim then you see that all serious dps build need 5/5 maelstorm to do competitive numbers.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Ah but you are missing that those figures are from sim using OLD version of MW.
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Btw, speed decrease is around 2% with the MW stats. I am seeing numbers like 0.8-8.4s with the 90% thingy and average 4.5s with 5/5 MW. Should this
(mwsAverage - 1.96*mwsSD) to (mwsAverage + 1.96*mwsSD)
(mwsAverage - 0.96*mwsSD) to (mwsAverage + 0.96*mwsSD)
5/5, 2.4s-6.7s, 4.5s avg
4/5, 3.0s-8.6s, 5.8s avg
3/5, 4.1s-11.7s, 7.9s avg
2/5, 6.3s-17.9s, 12.1s avg
1/5, 12.9s-36.6s, 24.8s avg
These numbers seems more like I thought they would be. IMHO, I don't think this info is worth it.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I read on the WotLK thread, that WF proc chance should be 18% on one hand, not 20% as I have it modeled in the sim currently. Did I just understand that post wrong? I use the 36% chance with dual WF.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its just a statistical thing. The actual observed proc rate will be 20% if you examined a combat log, but while Dual Wielding each eligible hit from both hands (ie, those hits made outside the WF cooldown) have a combined 36% chance of one of the two weapons producing a proc. Each hand still has a 20% chance to proc when viewed individually though.
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Let's make it simple. Outside wf cooldown:
Only 1 weapon has wf, proc chance on hit: xx%?
2 weapons have wf, proc chance on single hit: xx%?
In my sim it is 20% and 36%.
Yah you're doing it wrong. Each hand still has a 20% chance to proc, its just that when you view the system as a whole the proc chance is 36% for any hand to proc. For your sim each hand should have a 20% chance to proc (but locks out the other hand obviously).
Like I said, its just a statistical thing. The 36% number is just saying "If you have windfury on both hands, you have a better chance of getting a proc", but you'll still only see an overall proc rate of 20% of your total eligible hits.
Like I said, its just a statistical thing. The 36% number is just saying "If you have windfury on both hands, you have a better chance of getting a proc", but you'll still only see an overall proc rate of 20% of your total eligible hits.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Yah you're doing it wrong. Each hand still has a 20% chance to proc, its just that when you view the system as a whole the proc chance is 36% for any hand to proc. For your sim each hand should have a 20% chance to proc (but locks out the other hand obviously).
Like I said, its just a statistical thing. The 36% number is just saying "If you have windfury on both hands, you have a better chance of getting a proc", but you'll still only see an overall proc rate of 20% of your total eligible hits. |
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Windfury Proc Rate When you are wielding a two handed weapon, or are using a shield, your chance to proc windfury on any landed attack outside the 3-second cooldown is 20%. When you dual wield weapons, the chance on each landed attack outside the 3-second cooldown is approximatedly 36%, if and only if both weapons are imbued with Windfury. [footnote]Originally posted by Disquette on the WoW official forums. Original post is no longer archived by Blizzard.[/footnote] Analysis of the combat log shows that if you sum all hits, the proc rate while DWing is 20%, but that includes hits you make while inside the 3 second cooldown, which cannot actually proc WF. When you remove the ineligible hits the observed proc rate from the eligible hits becomes 36%. |
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Windfury Proc Rate When you are wielding a two handed weapon, or are using a shield, your chance to proc windfury on any landed attack outside the 3-second cooldown is 20%. When you dual wield weapons, the chance on each landed attack outside the 3-second cooldown is approximatedly 36%, if and only if both weapons are imbued with Windfury. [footnote]Originally posted by Disquette on the WoW official forums. Original post is no longer archived by Blizzard.[/footnote] Analysis of the combat log shows that if you sum all hits, the proc rate while DWing is 20%, but that includes hits you make while inside the 3 second cooldown, which cannot actually proc WF. When you remove the ineligible hits the observed proc rate from the eligible hits becomes 36%.
Edit: Too slow.
Edit2: If observed proc rate is 20% and there is 3s cooldown then actual proc rate has to be higher.
From my last brutallus kill observed procrate was 14.11%.
510 attacks which can proc WF
368s combat time.
144wf attacks or 72proc.
1.38 swing per 1s.
Wf was cd 72*3s=216s.
Wf wasn't cd 368s-216s=152s.
72proc in 152s or 210swing.
72 / 210 = 0.343. Which is close to 36%. Math isn't perfect but show that it's not 20%
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/15/08 at 10:51 AM.
The ThinkTank article says exactly what I just stated. When you dual wield there is a 36% chance of a proc from either hand when out of the cooldown. Each hand still has its own 20% proc rate though, and the overall observed rate of windfury procs is still 20% when you view a WWS report.
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Originally Posted by Malan
The ThinkTank article says exactly what I just stated. When you dual wield there is a 36% chance of a proc from either hand when out of the cooldown. Each hand still has its own 20% proc rate though, and the overall observed rate of windfury procs is still 20% when you view a WWS report.
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| When you dual wield weapons, the chance on each landed attack outside the 3-second cooldown is approximatedly 36%, if and only if both weapons are imbued with Windfury. |
Sorry, I'm not gonna believe it unless Disquette confirms this. (or I see some parsed data from WWS)
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Originally Posted by tukez
Sorry, I'm not gonna believe it unless Disquette confirms this. (or I see some parsed data from WWS)
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Where the hell do you think I got that info from in the first place? Stick your head in the sand all you want I guess. Whatever.
Might want to add that that 36% chance to proc only comes into effect if both MH and OH weapons are hitting at the same time. (Usually meaning they both have the same speed.
Uhh, no? That's not true at all.
You're not crazy--either the wording on the Think Tank is wrong and 90% of us reading it have been interpreting it as written for a very long time, or the sim is right as is. Unfortunately, as mentioned in the TTT, the original post isn't still hanging around for us to go reference, but every sentence in the TTT, and the original post in the epic-length Enhance thread, is worded such that each hit outside the WF CD has a 36% chance of proccing WF. It's not some "if you take each two sequential hits together, the chance that one of them will proc WF is 36%".
If that's not correct, and we've all been interpreting this test wrong for a year and some change, then the wording in the TTT needs changed.
If that's not correct, and we've all been interpreting this test wrong for a year and some change, then the wording in the TTT needs changed.
What is so hard to understand here? Its simple mathematics.
1 - (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.2) = 0.36
P(A and B) = P(A) * P(B)
1 - (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.2) = 0.36
P(A and B) = P(A) * P(B)
I have check ten random brutallus wws parses now with this simple formula.
(WF procs) / [(battle time - WF cd time) * (avarage swing per second)]
All result have give > 0.3.
(WF procs) / [(battle time - WF cd time) * (avarage swing per second)]
All result have give > 0.3.
It's not a question of the math. The statistics are obvious, but that's not the way it's being presented. If it was simple statistics, it never would have been a major topic of interest. Read these two sentences, Malan:
Those are directly from the TTT, and are in direct contradiction to what you're saying here today. The TTT says that each hit has a 36% chance to proc WF, and you're saying that every two hits have a 36% chance to proc WF. Those are very different statements.
| When you dual wield weapons, the chance on each landed attack outside the 3-second cooldown is approximatedly 36%, if and only if both weapons are imbued with Windfury. |
| When you remove the ineligible hits the observed proc rate from the eligible hits becomes 36%. |
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Malan is correct, and strangely you are correct too Rhaegal but both expressing it in different ways 
It is very very simple from a programming point of view. When a weapon MH or OH lands a hit do the following psuedo code check
ie: its a FLAT 20% check to see if WF has procced but you MUST make sure the 3sec CD is not active. Doing an INDEPENDENT check for each weapon at 20% mathematically means that "outside the 3-second cooldown" (the key bit in the quoted text) the chance is 36% EXACTLY as Malan quoted.
The critical part is that you ONLY check a WF outside the CD. This is why off-hands can "steal" a WF proc, as its a single check per hit, if WF is available then there is a 20% chance of a proc for the OH.
If you run the sim with this calc you should then see WF proc rates coming out at 36% OF ELIGIBLE HITS as predicted. However only 20% of ALL HITS.
It is very very simple from a programming point of view. When a weapon MH or OH lands a hit do the following psuedo code check
if weaponHasWF_embue AND not WFProcced then
if rnd()<0.2 then
-- WF procced on weapon
WFprocced = true
StartWFCooldown()
DoWFDamageCalcs()
end
end
The critical part is that you ONLY check a WF outside the CD. This is why off-hands can "steal" a WF proc, as its a single check per hit, if WF is available then there is a 20% chance of a proc for the OH.
If you run the sim with this calc you should then see WF proc rates coming out at 36% OF ELIGIBLE HITS as predicted. However only 20% of ALL HITS.
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Levva: Statistic still say 36%. Go and check wws.
I think they have coded it "wrong" and when you have double wf game check wf proc twice per hit. And that way give 36% proc chance.
I think they have coded it "wrong" and when you have double wf game check wf proc twice per hit. And that way give 36% proc chance.
It is incredibly confusing the various wording. I'm reasonably confident the code I wrote is how it works however I am very open to being proved wrong as this is a critical part of the sim and NEEDS to be correct.
Since the article refers to calcs originally done by Disquette and he has popped his head in this thread in the last couple of days could he give any indication of what he found (or repost original thread)?
Since the article refers to calcs originally done by Disquette and he has popped his head in this thread in the last couple of days could he give any indication of what he found (or repost original thread)?
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Originally Posted by tukez
(mwsAverage - 1.96*mwsSD) to (mwsAverage + 1.96*mwsSD) (mwsAverage - 0.96*mwsSD) to (mwsAverage + 0.96*mwsSD) |
1 SD gives only about a 68.27% confidence interval (0.96 would be less)
2 SD gives 95.450% confidence
It is normal however to use 1.96 SDs to give a 95% confidence interval. See Standard deviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The large variance you are seeing just shows how random the time taken is with low stacks.
However if we are seeing that taking less than 5/5 MW gives markedly less dps then the average time to achieve 5 stacks is not perhaps not a worthwhile statistic to display after all.
Hello all.
First, the best way to settle any sort of argument like this is by testing for one's self
That having been said, when I did my tests, my conclusions are:
1) Once you windfury, you can't windfury again for 3 seconds.
2) After those 3 seconds, any given attack has a 36% chance when dual-wielding (approx, the math behind it makes 36% look like a very attractive candidate) to proc another windfury.
If you're willing to spend a bit of time in blasted lands, anyone can verify or disprove this.
First, the best way to settle any sort of argument like this is by testing for one's self
That having been said, when I did my tests, my conclusions are:
1) Once you windfury, you can't windfury again for 3 seconds.
2) After those 3 seconds, any given attack has a 36% chance when dual-wielding (approx, the math behind it makes 36% look like a very attractive candidate) to proc another windfury.
If you're willing to spend a bit of time in blasted lands, anyone can verify or disprove this.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Levva: Statistic still say 36%. Go and check wws.
I think they have coded it "wrong" and when you have double wf game check wf proc twice per hit. And that way give 36% proc chance. |
I have a BT parse from a weeks ago vs Brutallus.
267 Windfury "hits" (non crit), 105 Windfury critical hits, 4 windfuries parried
Total Windfury attacks: 376
However, WWS counts each windfury hit as unique, ie, the 2 instant attacks are each counted as a unique incident. Therefore, divide 376 by 2.
Total number of actual windfury procs is therefore 188.
On the same parse I had 631 "hits" and 308 crits for a total of 939 swings that connected.
188/939 = 0.20021 or ~20%
So my overall observed proc rate from my *total* number of hits is 20%. Which is what I said above. What you are saying is that if you make some approximations for number of hits outside the cooldown that you see 36%. Which is exactly what I said as well. Outside of the cooldown there is a 36% chance of a windfury. When taken into account for the total data set though its still a 20% effect.
There has been a test recently that checked that when you perform a Stormstrike, your MH checks first for a WF proc, then your OH checks for a WF proc. (Hence you get more PH procs.)
The test proved "en passant" that the WF proc rate was 36% on each unless I'm completele mistaken.
The test was done by standing sideways to a Blasted Land servant so you could Stormstrike and get Windfury hit, but not get white hits.
That positioning still works on beta, so you can easily do the test there/on the PTR.
(If Windfury works that is.)
The test proved "en passant" that the WF proc rate was 36% on each unless I'm completele mistaken.
The test was done by standing sideways to a Blasted Land servant so you could Stormstrike and get Windfury hit, but not get white hits.
That positioning still works on beta, so you can easily do the test there/on the PTR.
(If Windfury works that is.)
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Originally Posted by Malan
The actual observed proc rate will be 20% if you examined a combat log, but while Dual Wielding each eligible hit from both hands (ie, those hits made outside the WF cooldown) have a combined 36% chance of one of the two weapons producing a proc. Each hand still has a 20% chance to proc when viewed individually though.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Yah you're doing it wrong. Each hand still has a 20% chance to proc, its just that when you view the system as a whole the proc chance is 36% for any hand to proc. For your sim each hand should have a 20% chance to proc (but locks out the other hand obviously).
Like I said, its just a statistical thing. The 36% number is just saying "If you have windfury on both hands, you have a better chance of getting a proc", but you'll still only see an overall proc rate of 20% of your total eligible hits. |
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Originally Posted by Malan
So my overall observed proc rate from my *total* number of hits is 20%. Which is what I said above. What you are saying is that if you make some approximations for number of hits outside the cooldown that you see 36%. Which is exactly what I said as well. Outside of the cooldown there is a 36% chance of a windfury. When taken into account for the total data set though its still a 20% effect.
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You really didn't say "exactly" those things. You said that each individual hand has a 20% chance to hit even when outside the windfury cooldown and that only as a combination of two hits do we see a 36% proc chance. Disquette has just told us that each individual hand has a 36% chance to hit when outside the windfury cooldown. Because of the 3-second cooldown, the observed proc rate when considering all hits is 20%.
Again, to reiterate, you said that "eligible hits" have a 20% chance to proc windfury. Disquette did not say that. If "eligible hits" had only a 20% chance to proc windfury, because of the 3-second internal cooldown we would see an observed proc rate on all hits of much less than 20%.
I know that you're a smart guy, Malan, but you contradicted yourself, and the vitriol and self-righteousness is getting really tiresome. You were wrong, other people were interpreting the TTT correctly and you were not, and If I get warned for this, whatever.
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Originally Posted by Roywyn
There has been a test recently that checked that when you perform a Stormstrike, your MH checks first for a WF proc, then your OH checks for a WF proc. (Hence you get more PH procs.)
The test proved "en passant" that the WF proc rate was 36% on each unless I'm completele mistaken. The test was done by standing sideways to a Blasted Land servant so you could Stormstrike and get Windfury hit, but not get white hits. That positioning still works on beta, so you can easily do the test there/on the PTR. (If Windfury works that is.) |
Basically Blizzard half-assed the coding for Windfury and any strike when dual wielding (wf/wf) would get the 36% chance to proc when off cooldown. Which integrates very well with Stormstrike since Stormstrike checks for a Mainhand proc before it checks for an offhand proc.
I'll keep looking but that's what I remember being the final outcome from ingame testing regarding it.
Heh, the last two pages were extremely funny. We've had dualwielding + 3 Sec WF Cooldown for how long now? 1,5years?
And it's still not obvious how it works, apparently.
I'll try to find a wording that makes it crystal clear.
When you are outside the Windfury cooldown and attack with both weapons simultaneously, is it:
OR
And it's still not obvious how it works, apparently.
I'll try to find a wording that makes it crystal clear.
When you are outside the Windfury cooldown and attack with both weapons simultaneously, is it:
- a) P(WFProc) = 0,36 + ((1-0,36)*0,36) = 0,5904
OR
- b) P(WFProc) = 0,2 + ((1-0,2)*0,2) = 0,36
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Originally Posted by Xoya
other people were interpreting the TTT correctly and you were not
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Last edited by Malan : 09/15/08 at 4:28 PM.
Hey questions about glyphs. Can we use same type of glyph in multiple slots and do they stack? Can we use minor glyphs in major slot? Also, if you use Glyph of Flametongue Weapon and dual FT, do you get 4% spell crit? Is the Glyph of Stormstrike bonus damage additive or multiplicative to the existing 20%.
Now that they change the armor ignore to armor penetration rating, does Executioner buff change to rating also? I guess static bonuses on items change to rating at least, what about trinket procs like Madness of the Betrayer? AFAIK, debuffs like Sunder Armor or Faerie Fire won't be converted to rating.
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Originally Posted by Roywyn
There has been a test recently that checked that when you perform a Stormstrike, your MH checks first for a WF proc, then your OH checks for a WF proc. (Hence you get more PH procs.)
The test proved "en passant" that the WF proc rate was 36% on each unless I'm completele mistaken. The test was done by standing sideways to a Blasted Land servant so you could Stormstrike and get Windfury hit, but not get white hits. That positioning still works on beta, so you can easily do the test there/on the PTR. (If Windfury works that is.) |
Here's the WWS from the log I modified to show the separate procs, the only changes made to it were to descriptions and spell IDs to allow the WWS parser to display them separately:
Wow Web Stats
It's a bit annoying to see good testing thrown out.
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Originally Posted by Morelis
per weapon, not combined is indeed 36%..
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THANK YOU!
I have been reading the old Enhancement thread page by page all day looking for that proof. I knew I wasn't losing it and that Windfury was 36% per weapon when off cooldown.
The numbers are basically perfect for what would be predicted by 36% chance per weapon.
726 Stormstrikes.
36% would be 261 mainhand windfuries (he had 249 or 34%)
That would leave 726-261 = 465 attacks that would get checked for offhand windfury (477 remaining in his test pool)
36% of that would be 167 offhand windfuries (he had 157 or 33%).
That basically fits although it does open the door that the percentage chance per weapon is slightly lower then the 36%, it actually may be 33-34% or it could just be that it is a small(ish) sample size and over a larger sample size it would show the 36% that was expected.
Very glad you saved that parse, and thanks again for posting it.
Last edited by Rouncer : 09/15/08 at 11:12 PM.
You left out crits.
546 SS, 194 MH WF = 35.5%
(546 - 194) SS, 120 OH WF = 34%
A little closer to 36% but what we would really need to be sure is a larger sample. It took over an hour and a half to get those 546 stormstrikes... Someone else can get more.
546 SS, 194 MH WF = 35.5%
(546 - 194) SS, 120 OH WF = 34%
A little closer to 36% but what we would really need to be sure is a larger sample. It took over an hour and a half to get those 546 stormstrikes... Someone else can get more.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
THANK YOU!
I have been reading the old Enhancement thread page by page all day looking for that proof. I knew I wasn't losing it and that Windfury was 36% per weapon when off cooldown. The numbers are basically perfect for what would be predicted by 36% chance per weapon. 726 Stormstrikes. 36% would be 261 mainhand windfuries (he had 249 or 34%) That would leave 726-261 = 465 attacks that would get checked for offhand windfury (477 remaining in his test pool) 36% of that would be 167 offhand windfuries (he had 157 or 33%). That basically fits although it does open the door that the percentage chance per weapon is slightly lower then the 36%, it actually may be 33-34% or it could just be that it is a small(ish) sample size and over a larger sample size it would show the 36% that was expected. Very glad you saved that parse, and thanks again for posting it. |
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't WWS count windfury as two separate hits? So if you calculate the procs based on number of connected WF hits the results will show a higher percentage than it really is. I think it came up earlier in this thread already that you need to halve the number of connected WF hits and then calculate the percentage to get an accurate result . What my quick napkin math got out of that parse was ~17% for MH and ~13% for OH windfuries, it is a very small sample though you cannot expect absolute results as was pointed out already.
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Originally Posted by Chromean
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't WWS count windfury as two separate hits? So if you calculate the procs based on number of connected WF hits the results will show a higher percentage than it really is. I think it came up earlier in this thread already that you need to halve the number of connected WF hits and then calculate the percentage to get an accurate result . What my quick napkin math got out of that parse was ~17% for MH and ~13% for OH windfuries, it is a very small sample though you cannot expect absolute results as was pointed out already.
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Last edited by Morelis : 09/16/08 at 4:16 AM.
Jesus fuck. This thread sure took a turn towards instant failboat all of a sudden.
1. The dataset for the "proof" that WF is so and so is low. Very low.
2. WWS is retarded and shows "hits" without crits so you have to add the crit nuber to hits to get the actual number of attacks.
3. WWS shows one WF proc as two WF attacks, like stated above.
Actual numbers:
So proc chance in this run was for MH: ((388/2)/1092)*100=17.77% and ((240/2)/1092)*100=10.99%.
The above numbers show you a few things. First you see why a very small dataset is bad(but you have to take my word for this until I can dig up my old statistics books to prove it, or someone else can), secondly you see how OH is locked out of WF by MH thus getting a very low proc chance.
Any chance you can put the actual log somewhere, Morelis so we don't have to put our faith in RETARDED WWS?
Edit: And just to let you know: Some of this is pieced together from guesswork on how WWS works so don't take my word for this as the end result. Need the log to be certain.
1. The dataset for the "proof" that WF is so and so is low. Very low.
2. WWS is retarded and shows "hits" without crits so you have to add the crit nuber to hits to get the actual number of attacks.
3. WWS shows one WF proc as two WF attacks, like stated above.
Actual numbers:
Hits Crits Total SS : 726 - 366 = 1092 MH WF: 249 - 139 = 388 OH WF: 157 - 83 = 240
The above numbers show you a few things. First you see why a very small dataset is bad(but you have to take my word for this until I can dig up my old statistics books to prove it, or someone else can), secondly you see how OH is locked out of WF by MH thus getting a very low proc chance.
Any chance you can put the actual log somewhere, Morelis so we don't have to put our faith in RETARDED WWS?
Edit: And just to let you know: Some of this is pieced together from guesswork on how WWS works so don't take my word for this as the end result. Need the log to be certain.
Raut: You divide with all SS attacks. You should use only mh SS attacks.
MH: ((388/2)/546)*100=35.53%
[(240/2)/ (1092/2 - (388/2) )]*100=34.09%
WWS parse with over 500 mh and oh SS attacks is big enough for checking 20% vs 36%. And it's closer to 36%
MH: ((388/2)/546)*100=35.53%
[(240/2)/ (1092/2 - (388/2) )]*100=34.09%
WWS parse with over 500 mh and oh SS attacks is big enough for checking 20% vs 36%. And it's closer to 36%
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Tukez could you settle the argument in the sim pls.
If you could record in the sim the number of hits (including crits), the number of WF procs, and the number of hits inside the WF cooldown. Then display these as percentages at the end of the run. We can then run the sim a lot and check.
If the output can show :
Total hits, Total WF procs, hits that were INSIDE the WF CD. We get WF procs/Total hits = Total % chance to proc AND WF Procs/(total hits - hits inside the WF cooldown) = total % chance to proc WF OUTSIDE the WF CD.
Now these figures will give us a 5000 hour sim of numbers of attacks at the current sim rate of 36% ON EACH WEAPON HIT. ie: I understand that every time you check a hit to see if it procs WF you use 36% chance.
You could then alter the sim and change the chance on each weapon hit proccing WF to 20% (which I believe it should be) and see what the rates are for inside and outside CD.
The sim can then show unbiased figures of what the proc rate ends up over a very very large sample, both inside and outside the CD.
Acutally it might be nice in the sim to have a "debug" tick box. So that normal runs didn't show these sorts of figures, and things like the average MW 5 stack times etc. Then if user turns on debug info they get the extra calcs. That way the sim runs full speed without debug info for most occasions and with the extra sometimes useful info when needed simply by ticking a box.
Edit: It might be nice to record MH hits, MH WF procs, MH hits inside WF CD separate from OH hits, OH WF procs, OH hits inside WF CD.
If you could record in the sim the number of hits (including crits), the number of WF procs, and the number of hits inside the WF cooldown. Then display these as percentages at the end of the run. We can then run the sim a lot and check.
If the output can show :
Total hits, Total WF procs, hits that were INSIDE the WF CD. We get WF procs/Total hits = Total % chance to proc AND WF Procs/(total hits - hits inside the WF cooldown) = total % chance to proc WF OUTSIDE the WF CD.
Now these figures will give us a 5000 hour sim of numbers of attacks at the current sim rate of 36% ON EACH WEAPON HIT. ie: I understand that every time you check a hit to see if it procs WF you use 36% chance.
You could then alter the sim and change the chance on each weapon hit proccing WF to 20% (which I believe it should be) and see what the rates are for inside and outside CD.
The sim can then show unbiased figures of what the proc rate ends up over a very very large sample, both inside and outside the CD.
Acutally it might be nice in the sim to have a "debug" tick box. So that normal runs didn't show these sorts of figures, and things like the average MW 5 stack times etc. Then if user turns on debug info they get the extra calcs. That way the sim runs full speed without debug info for most occasions and with the extra sometimes useful info when needed simply by ticking a box.
Edit: It might be nice to record MH hits, MH WF procs, MH hits inside WF CD separate from OH hits, OH WF procs, OH hits inside WF CD.
Last edited by Levva : 09/16/08 at 5:15 AM.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Hey questions about glyphs. Can we use same type of glyph in multiple slots and do they stack? Can we use minor glyphs in major slot? Also, if you use Glyph of Flametongue Weapon and dual FT, do you get 4% spell crit? Is the Glyph of Stormstrike bonus damage additive or multiplicative to the existing 20%.
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The damage bonuses are almost certainly multiplicative as Blizzard changed a lot of effects, with patch 2.0 or 2.1 if memory serves, to be multiplicative and not additive as too many things were becoming possible to exceed or get close to 100% again would need proper testing. I can't see you having 3 Windfury Weapon glyphs and having +120% AP bonus or could it???
Although now the PTRs are actually up it should be possible to test it on there too if you can get through the queues.
I knew I made a mistake... Sorry. At least it refreshes my hatred for WWS. (And my assumptions)
Why do you deduct MH WF procs from OH WF proc calculations? The argument stands as a whole and not only in cases where MH hasn't procced WF.
Something akin to (((388/2)+(240/2))/546)*100 = 57.51% of SS attacks procced WF.
We just have to disagree on the size of the dataset.
Why do you deduct MH WF procs from OH WF proc calculations? The argument stands as a whole and not only in cases where MH hasn't procced WF.
Something akin to (((388/2)+(240/2))/546)*100 = 57.51% of SS attacks procced WF.
We just have to disagree on the size of the dataset.
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Originally Posted by Raut
I knew I made a mistake... Sorry. At least it refreshes my hatred for WWS. (And my assumptions)
Why do you deduct MH WF procs from OH WF proc calculations? The argument stands as a whole and not only in cases where MH hasn't procced WF. Something akin to (((388/2)+(240/2))/546)*100 = 57.51% of SS attacks procced WF. We just have to disagree on the size of the dataset. |
Edit to add: The purpose of this sim was NOT to find out what chance stormstrike has to proc WF. It was to find out what the chance is to proc WF while dual wielding if WF is currently not on cooldown. Stormstrike is merely the vehicle chosen to help ensure that WF is always off cooldown when attacking; if you just sit there and include autoattacking, latency and combat log lag will make it difficult to analyze results and determine the actual proc rate. Controlled tests can be done by turning your character model in such a way that specials will hit but your character will not autoattack.)
We then must compensate for the fact that SS attacks with both weapons, which we do by exluding the OH hit in cases where the MH procced WF, as the OH will have an observed proc rate of 0% in such a situation.
Last edited by Philondra : 09/16/08 at 5:31 AM. Reason: Clarification
WF proc from SS = 0.36 + ((1-0.36)*0.36) = 0.5904 vs WWS 0.5751.
I deduct mh wf proc number from total oh attacks becouse those are under shared CD. I wanted just see proc% from both hands invidially.
Can we now forget this subject?
Updated lootrank link for 3.02 at 70lvl raiding. Database still bugs. You need lower str items ep value by self. Assuming spell hit cap gemmed etc if not there.
I deduct mh wf proc number from total oh attacks becouse those are under shared CD. I wanted just see proc% from both hands invidially.
Can we now forget this subject?
Updated lootrank link for 3.02 at 70lvl raiding. Database still bugs. You need lower str items ep value by self. Assuming spell hit cap gemmed etc if not there.
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Originally Posted by Philondra
As Rounced reminded us several pages back, SS will always attempt to proc from the MH first and, failing that, attempt to proc from the OH. Therefore, if SS procs an MH WF, the OH will never proc. We need to take this into account or else the OH proc rate will appear to be artificially low.
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And as a mind exercise:
Actual proc rate from the WWS: (120/546)*100 = 21.99%
Realistic proc chance of OH WF proc from SS: 0.64*0.36*100 = 23.04%
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Originally Posted by Raut
You can't say that the OH proc chance on SS is near 36%
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Originally Posted by fauxpas
That's not was this discussion was about. It was about any given attack of a single weapon outside the Windfury cooldown. And that's apparently 36%, even for the offhand.
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You're talking about all attacks having a 36% chance of proccing WF(outside of the 3sec rule). That's not right. The 36% applies to SS AFAIK. I did some quick mashup of a generic WWS report(twins, muru and some attempts on KJ):
Melee hit, crit, SS hit, crit:
1780+1278+421+248 = 3702 number of attacks
Excluding misses and parry
(Of course you automatically lose some potential WF procs due to SS, but you can't link the WFs from where they procced and every attack is a potential WF proc)
WF hit, crit:
827+475 = 1302. Procs is half that: 651
So my proc rate for the entire evening was ((1302/2)/3702)*100 = 17.59%. Now this is also a small dataset(too small in my book), but it's larger than the one we've been discussing in the SS debate.
What you're describing is overall proc chance. That is at ~17,59% overall including attacks made during the cooldown, the chance has to be significantly higher for attacks outside the windfury cooldown.
Use this formula to calculate proc chance.
(WF procs) / [(battle time - WF cd time) * (avarage swing per second)]
WF procs = (hits + crits) / 2
Battle time = combat time
WF cd time = WF procs * 3s
Avarage swing per second = (SS hits + SS crits + normal hits + normal crits) / battle time
Every Brutallus report I have parsed show > 0.3.
Formula uses avarages but at the end that not matter really much.
(WF procs) / [(battle time - WF cd time) * (avarage swing per second)]
WF procs = (hits + crits) / 2
Battle time = combat time
WF cd time = WF procs * 3s
Avarage swing per second = (SS hits + SS crits + normal hits + normal crits) / battle time
Every Brutallus report I have parsed show > 0.3.
Formula uses avarages but at the end that not matter really much.
No. I'm not describing any proc chance. I just showed actual proc rates during a raid. Of course a lot of these were made inside the 3sec rule. But you are saying that the 3sec rule is effectively cutting the 36% proc chance down to something like 17.59%, or roughly half, yes?
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Originally Posted by Raut
But you are saying that the 3sec rule is effectively cutting the 36% proc chance down to something like 17.59%, or roughly half, yes?
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Punched my WWS entry into Pitbull's formula:
Attacks: 3702
WF procs: 651
Battle time: 3:48, 29% presence: (3*60*60+48*60)*0.29 = 3967.20
>>> 651/((3967 - (3*651)) * (3702/3967))
0.34637561381512555
~ 34.64%
The formula looks good for calculating an average, I have to say. I was thinking of how to get a good model for finding the 3sec silence, but this seems to do the job. I'm convinced. Thanks for the clear-up, Pitbull. It's probably the most solid work I've seen on WF mechanics in a long while.
tukez - the bootstrapping of weapon buffs in enhsimconfig.cpp is quite messy. It the first if-else paragraph in both functions. The else should always be false, no?
Attacks: 3702
WF procs: 651
Battle time: 3:48, 29% presence: (3*60*60+48*60)*0.29 = 3967.20
>>> 651/((3967 - (3*651)) * (3702/3967))
0.34637561381512555
~ 34.64%
The formula looks good for calculating an average, I have to say. I was thinking of how to get a good model for finding the 3sec silence, but this seems to do the job. I'm convinced. Thanks for the clear-up, Pitbull. It's probably the most solid work I've seen on WF mechanics in a long while.
tukez - the bootstrapping of weapon buffs in enhsimconfig.cpp is quite messy. It the first if-else paragraph in both functions. The else should always be false, no?
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Originally Posted by Raut
tukez - the bootstrapping of weapon buffs in enhsimconfig.cpp is quite messy. It the first if-else paragraph in both functions. The else should always be false, no?
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if (mh_weapon_enchant_ == "windfury" && oh_weapon_enchant_ == "windfury") {
enhsims_[i]->mh_windfury_->proc_chance_ = WINDFURY_DUALWIELD_PROC_CHANCE;
enhsims_[i]->oh_windfury_->proc_chance_ = WINDFURY_DUALWIELD_PROC_CHANCE;
}
else {
enhsims_[i]->mh_windfury_->proc_chance_ = WINDFURY_PROC_CHANCE;
enhsims_[i]->oh_windfury_->proc_chance_ = WINDFURY_PROC_CHANCE;
}
Yeah. Since WINDFURY_DUALWIELD_PROC_CHANCE applies when dual-buffed with WF, the else statement can never be correct. It's just nitpicking anyway.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Tukez could you settle the argument in the sim pls.
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I did these with default config, just took out LL from rotation and 0/2 improved stormstrike.
Anyway, with 36% proc chance outside cd:
MH windfury: procs/hits 19.97% procs/swings 17.81% OH windfury: procs/hits 13.60% procs/swings 12.13%
MH windfury: procs/hits 13.47% procs/swings 12.01% OH windfury: procs/hits 11.07% procs/swings 9.88%
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Originally Posted by Raut
Yeah. Since WINDFURY_DUALWIELD_PROC_CHANCE applies when dual-buffed with WF, the else statement can never be correct. It's just nitpicking anyway.
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This could be a very big point of contention going forward.
If lava lash is a melee attack and can proc offhand windfury then won't it increase the incidence of offhand windfuries when using WF/WF?
I don't think there will be any way that anyone could track the Windfury cooldown and all the other things and delay hitting Lava Lash to attempt to maximise Mainhand Windfuries, the rotation is just too tight and constant. It will be hard enough just to utilize a priority list properly.
If Lava Lash does proc offhand windfuries is it still a dps increase if you use wf/wf with what we have just established as how the proc rates change when dual wielding wf/wf?
Can your sim determine the answer to that?
If lava lash is a melee attack and can proc offhand windfury then won't it increase the incidence of offhand windfuries when using WF/WF?
I don't think there will be any way that anyone could track the Windfury cooldown and all the other things and delay hitting Lava Lash to attempt to maximise Mainhand Windfuries, the rotation is just too tight and constant. It will be hard enough just to utilize a priority list properly.
If Lava Lash does proc offhand windfuries is it still a dps increase if you use wf/wf with what we have just established as how the proc rates change when dual wielding wf/wf?
Can your sim determine the answer to that?
EnhSim 0.9.3
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Originally Posted by Rounced
If Lava Lash does proc offhand windfuries is it still a dps increase if you use wf/wf with what we have just established as how the proc rates change when dual wielding wf/wf?
Can your sim determine the answer to that? |
-Windfury statistics corrected to take into account SS and LL.
-armor_ignore changed to armor_penetration. Notice, that it is % now. Also ep_armor_ignore changed to ep_armor_penetration_rating.
enhsim - Google Code
Yes, you can try it yourself now.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
WF proc from SS = 0.36 + ((1-0.36)*0.36) = 0.5904 vs WWS 0.5751.
I deduct mh wf proc number from total oh attacks becouse those are under shared CD. I wanted just see proc% from both hands invidially. Can we now forget this subject? Updated lootrank link for 3.02 at 70lvl raiding. Database still bugs. You need lower str items ep value by self. Assuming spell hit cap gemmed etc if not there. |
EnhSim 0.9.5
0.9.5
-Fixed Windfury bonus ap to 475.
-Fixed Call of Flame to affect whole Searing Totem damage, not just base damage.
-Glyphs added: Lightning Bolt, Lightning Shield, Earth Shock, Windfury Weapon, Flametongue Weapon, Stormstrike.
enhsim - Google Code
You can use same glyph in multiple slots currently. Again, I don't know correct mechanics, so this is what I did with glyphs:
Lightning Shield stacks, multiplicative.
Lightning Bolt stacks, additive.
Earth Shock doesn't stack.
Windfury Weapon stacks, multiplicative.
Flametongue Weapon stacks per glyph, no extra bonus with dual flametongue, additive.
Stormstrike stacks, additive.
Windfury ap was 445. It is a bit wierd that Thottbot and Wowhead both show 445 bonus ap, but I logged in with my shaman and noticed it is 475.
-Fixed Windfury bonus ap to 475.
-Fixed Call of Flame to affect whole Searing Totem damage, not just base damage.
-Glyphs added: Lightning Bolt, Lightning Shield, Earth Shock, Windfury Weapon, Flametongue Weapon, Stormstrike.
enhsim - Google Code
You can use same glyph in multiple slots currently. Again, I don't know correct mechanics, so this is what I did with glyphs:
Lightning Shield stacks, multiplicative.
Lightning Bolt stacks, additive.
Earth Shock doesn't stack.
Windfury Weapon stacks, multiplicative.
Flametongue Weapon stacks per glyph, no extra bonus with dual flametongue, additive.
Stormstrike stacks, additive.
Windfury ap was 445. It is a bit wierd that Thottbot and Wowhead both show 445 bonus ap, but I logged in with my shaman and noticed it is 475.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Yes, but I can't find any accurate info how it works.
This is what I have gathered so far. 150 frost damage, uses spell crit. Affected by CSD. Don't know is it affected by Elemental Fury or not. 50% proc chance for spells, 20-25s cooldown. Maybe 8-11% for melee, no cooldown? Melee and spell proc cooldowns are independent. |
http://elitistjerks.com/805104-post128.html
In the coming days Ill go try and whack away at a dummy on the ptr to see if I can add to the information at all for proc rates.
Uhm, my antivirus program has just marked EnhSim.rar (re-zipped so I can fiddle with it at work) with a virus called "ExceedinglyInfected". Could others check if this it just my antivir playing up, and Tukez scan your pc?
Found this link with a description "This statement indicates that Antigen found more than 5 infected or file filtered documents in a ZIP file attachment", I'm not into this sort of thing, so I don't know if it's just the case of a "file filtered document", whatever the hell that is.
Anyway, I may be off the track here, but I thought I'd let you know so you can debunk if it's a false alert.
Link to a description:
RE: Virus
Found this link with a description "This statement indicates that Antigen found more than 5 infected or file filtered documents in a ZIP file attachment", I'm not into this sort of thing, so I don't know if it's just the case of a "file filtered document", whatever the hell that is.
Anyway, I may be off the track here, but I thought I'd let you know so you can debunk if it's a false alert.
Link to a description:
RE: Virus
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Originally Posted by Bellante
Uhm, my antivirus program has just marked EnhSim.rar (re-zipped so I can fiddle with it at work) with a virus called "ExceedinglyInfected". Could others check if this it just my antivir playing up, and Tukez scan your pc?
Found this link with a description "This statement indicates that Antigen found more than 5 infected or file filtered documents in a ZIP file attachment", I'm not into this sort of thing, so I don't know if it's just the case of a "file filtered document", whatever the hell that is. Anyway, I may be off the track here, but I thought I'd let you know so you can debunk if it's a false alert. Link to a description: RE: Virus |
I checked what's that file filtering means. So you recomprossed the sim and sent it to your e-mail? Then Antigen warned when you opened the email.
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Antigen’s File Filter feature lets you search for attachments with a specific name, type and/or size. Here’s how to configure a file filter. |
Last edited by tukez : 09/17/08 at 8:09 AM.
I was looking at Elixirs and noted that it may be useful to include [Elixir of Mastery] in the sim as it gives +15 all stats. For us that means +15 str, +15 Agi and +15 Int = +45 AP and some melee crit from Agi and some spell crit from Int. Which makes its look a decent elixir.
I was also wondering if it wasn't a good idea to include a separate section for Guardian Elixirs as whilst there seems to be only one good one at present that gives us a dps boost, it is very likely more will come out as they do final top level passes for all the professions and add in new top level Alchemy recipes.
The current Guardian Elixir of interest is [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] that gives +30 Int = +30 AP and some spell crit.
Of course in addition to this is the elixirs already announced for WotLK but unavailable in patch 3.0.2 eg:
Elixir of Mighty Strength, Guru's Elixir and Elixir of Mighty Agility.
Edit: Replaced [ item] tags with URL tags as item tags point at Wowhead: OMG IT'S ALMOST HERE not http://woltk.wowhead.com
I was also wondering if it wasn't a good idea to include a separate section for Guardian Elixirs as whilst there seems to be only one good one at present that gives us a dps boost, it is very likely more will come out as they do final top level passes for all the professions and add in new top level Alchemy recipes.
The current Guardian Elixir of interest is [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] that gives +30 Int = +30 AP and some spell crit.
Of course in addition to this is the elixirs already announced for WotLK but unavailable in patch 3.0.2 eg:
Elixir of Mighty Strength, Guru's Elixir and Elixir of Mighty Agility.
Edit: Replaced [ item] tags with URL tags as item tags point at Wowhead: OMG IT'S ALMOST HERE not http://woltk.wowhead.com
Nod32 doesn't report anything in the current EnhSim ... and didn't do so with all the versions i used before that one.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I scanned my project folder and the zip file, but no detections. Now I'm scanning my hard drives, nothing so far. I'm using AntiVir.
I checked what's that file filtering means. So you recomprossed the sim and sent it to your e-mail? Then Antigen warned when you opened the email. And then a picture with settings...one being .exe file. So most probably your Antigen is configured to detect and warn about .exe files in attachements. Just to clarify, that it doesn't mean that it's a virus. |
Minor niggle with sim talent options.
There is no option to choose stormstrike - I guess because its kinda assumed as a given, same with Dual wield. However there is a choice of 3/3 Elemental weapons, which as a pre-requisite of Stormstrike obviously must be a given too?? So is it necessary to give Elemental Weapons as an option if you are assuming stormstrike?
BTW Lava Lash are you intending to include that as a talent choice? Or is it a case if its ticked in the priorities you assume they have it?
Actually thinking about it I'd be interested in assisting with the GUI perhaps adding options to import a tree from wowhead/blizzard/wowdb etc. Possibly also looking at the feasibility of importing stats from Armory. Although not sure armory gives all the stats I couldn't see ArP given for instance - certainly not as a percentage.
Only problem is my C++ skills are extremely rusty. I'd be happier coding in Java, which would have the benefit of being platform independent and helping the Mac & Linux guys.
I'd be willing to look at a Java port of the sim too if you were at all interested in heading in that direction? As I say the major plus is platform independence.
There is no option to choose stormstrike - I guess because its kinda assumed as a given, same with Dual wield. However there is a choice of 3/3 Elemental weapons, which as a pre-requisite of Stormstrike obviously must be a given too?? So is it necessary to give Elemental Weapons as an option if you are assuming stormstrike?
BTW Lava Lash are you intending to include that as a talent choice? Or is it a case if its ticked in the priorities you assume they have it?
Actually thinking about it I'd be interested in assisting with the GUI perhaps adding options to import a tree from wowhead/blizzard/wowdb etc. Possibly also looking at the feasibility of importing stats from Armory. Although not sure armory gives all the stats I couldn't see ArP given for instance - certainly not as a percentage.
Only problem is my C++ skills are extremely rusty. I'd be happier coding in Java, which would have the benefit of being platform independent and helping the Mac & Linux guys.
I'd be willing to look at a Java port of the sim too if you were at all interested in heading in that direction? As I say the major plus is platform independence.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Windfury ap was 445. It is a bit wierd that Thottbot and Wowhead both show 445 bonus ap, but I logged in with my shaman and noticed it is 475.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Minor niggle with sim talent options.
There is no option to choose stormstrike - I guess because its kinda assumed as a given, same with Dual wield. However there is a choice of 3/3 Elemental weapons, which as a pre-requisite of Stormstrike obviously must be a given too?? So is it necessary to give Elemental Weapons as an option if you are assuming stormstrike? BTW Lava Lash are you intending to include that as a talent choice? Or is it a case if its ticked in the priorities you assume they have it? Actually thinking about it I'd be interested in assisting with the GUI perhaps adding options to import a tree from wowhead/blizzard/wowdb etc. Possibly also looking at the feasibility of importing stats from Armory. Although not sure armory gives all the stats I couldn't see ArP given for instance - certainly not as a percentage. Only problem is my C++ skills are extremely rusty. I'd be happier coding in Java, which would have the benefit of being platform independent and helping the Mac & Linux guys. I'd be willing to look at a Java port of the sim too if you were at all interested in heading in that direction? As I say the major plus is platform independence. |
If you want to assist with the GUI, I suggest you make a completely new GUI with Java. I would also like platform independent GUI, I would have done that, but only tool I know how to make GUIs is VC++.
The GUI just needs to create the config file for the enhsim.exe(or whatever the name is in other platforms). You could have a box where to define the enhsim executable, like I have the directory box in EnhSimGui. The problems you mentioned with armory import are not so big. You can handle the stats as you see fit, just when you press simulate button, create the config file and run the enhsim,
I'm not very interested in the Java port of the sim. As you said, it would be great for platform indepence, but bad for speed. I don't think it's too bad to compile the sim if you have Mac or Linux. Of course, there is always someone who don't know how to do that. Well, that is the risk you took, when you chose your platform. No offense to Mac/Linux guys, just stating the fact. I would have done the sim in Java, if it were anywhere near the speed of C++. Actually, the reason I started this project in the first place, was that Yo's sim was so slow.
Last edited by tukez : 09/17/08 at 10:58 AM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Are you sure the tooltip isn't just showing the current value as modified by talents or equipment effects? What value does it give when you have no talents and naked? I'm at work so can't test this on beta at present.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I'm not very interested in the Java port of the sim..
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Originally Posted by Malan
A java gui front end at least would still keep the best of both worlds.
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The problem is though Malan that the best a Java GUI could do is to create the .txt config and call the enhsim.exe file. If the enhsim.exe file is compiled for a PC it still won't run on a Mac regardless of how good the Java GUI is. The Java GUI can't make a PC .exe work on a Mac.
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Originally Posted by Levva
I am happy to have a bash at doing a Java GUI producing a plain text file at the end of it and/or calling the .exe is straight forward. I'm on holiday in Spain (my parents retired to the sun there so nice free accomodation) next week and so will have a lot of time by the pool with my laptop. Also my guild has decided to stop raiding now that WotLK date is out so I've got plenty of time to throw something together between now and then.
The problem is though Malan that the best a Java GUI could do is to create the .txt config and call the enhsim.exe file. If the enhsim.exe file is compiled for a PC it still won't run on a Mac regardless of how good the Java GUI is. The Java GUI can't make a PC .exe work on a Mac. |
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Originally Posted by Levva
Are you sure the tooltip isn't just showing the current value as modified by talents or equipment effects? What value does it give when you have no talents and naked? I'm at work so can't test this on beta at present.
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We've been promised a working Windfury among all the other things and I am dying to see if the functionality is the same as current or if the "less mathy" rework has been instituted.
Probably going to need to repeat the previous stormstrike test to check the proc rate as well as figuring out some way to determine if the cooldown is the same and if it is still linked between the 2 hands. I'm wondering if they aren't going to change it to something where each hand has a 20% proc rate separate from the other and instead of a cooldown they just make it so that no 2 consecutive melee attacks can proc windfury (no factual basis for that, it's just a hunch).
At least with the cheap respecs and the targeting dummies on the Beta it should be really easy to test everything.
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Originally Posted by Levva
The problem is though Malan that the best a Java GUI could do is to create the .txt config and call the enhsim.exe file. If the enhsim.exe file is compiled for a PC it still won't run on a Mac regardless of how good the Java GUI is. The Java GUI can't make a PC .exe work on a Mac.
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At any rate the simulation itself should really just be a method called by the gui, not a seperate process launched by the gui.
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It seems there is a bit of an underlying issue with WF/FT simulation... namely that WF/WF currently (or at least in live) enjoys a "bug" where its 18% proc rate is checked twice (once per hand) regardless of which hand hits, causing an effective 36% proc rate. This was noticed quickly in the early TBC days as WF procced far more often, even accounting for increased hits, than its previous 2h behaviour accounted for. (I can dig up the tests, they are on these forums somewhere..)
Is this accounted for in current simulations?
edit: Nevermind, I just went digging through your code and in fact it is. I'm still going to bring it up with Blizz as it may be devaluing the intended power of WF/FT.
Is this accounted for in current simulations?
edit: Nevermind, I just went digging through your code and in fact it is. I'm still going to bring it up with Blizz as it may be devaluing the intended power of WF/FT.
Last edited by mek : 09/17/08 at 6:20 PM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
With a make file or an ant build script we could easily set the target of the gui to run the proper binary.
At any rate the simulation itself should really just be a method called by the gui, not a seperate process launched by the gui. |
Perhaps the simplest would be that the Java GUI could be packaged with PC & Mac exes, so it was distributed as a working package. The bleeding edge stuff would be on the PC and what Tukez put on the google site. So that it would still be possible for technically competent people to compile and replace the exe in the package with newer versions.
As a first stage my only attempt would be to mimic the existing GUI and be able to load, edit and save the config files and calling an external exe. Getting it to this stage will be a sizable initial task. After that I would look at replacing the talents section with importing Wowhead & Blizzard talent trees. ie: specify a URL and it could import the tree. Maybe even embed a browser view to display it on a separate tab. ie: so the talents on a separate tab could be a limited browser view of the wowhead or blizzard talent tree. No navigation just a tree to allow you to visually change the talents.
Further features would build on that. First obvious stage is to include importing talents from the Armory as if it supports Blizzard tree import then getting the URL from the Armory is easy just reading the URL from the Armory XML sheet. Ofc fairly simple the real work here is dealing with all the protocol crap wrapped up in reading the XML from the Armory.
I could then move to reading the rest of the armory data and populating the extra fields replacing the input boxes with an enter character and realm selection.
It does strike me I'd need a text window for editing any settings it doesn't know how to deal with. eg: We get a super new glyph that Tukez adds to the sim "Imp.Windfury Weapon - grants 1 additional WF attack" (actually having thought of that someone on the US beta go add that as a suggestion NOW. A WF proccing 3 extra attacks would be great).
If the GUI can't handle new parameters it means manually editing the config file until the next update. At least having a "I don't know how to handle these parameters" section it would allow editing them in the GUI rather than having to resort to a text editor. It also means that Tukez can release new versions without worrying about having features the GUI doesn't understand.
Finally getting round to trying the sim with my own personal values so going through each and every field. I noted there was no talent selection for Enhancing Totems to give +15% to SoE & FT totems. Is this an oversight or is it assumed it will be taken? Similarly with Imp.WF totem? Am I just missing the point and the GUI version doesn't allow altering these? Or is it assumed you max them both? What happens if someone doesn't max them both?
Whilst I'm on totems what totems are we assuming the shammy uses? How does the sim calculate the effects of totems? Is it calculating the Lvl 70 equivalent totems or lvl 80 equivalent totems? It does know about totems doesn't it? The source totems.cpp only suggests it looks at the relic slot totem. Is it rolled into the Buffs section so you need to manually edit your totem buff values?
Whilst I'm on totems what totems are we assuming the shammy uses? How does the sim calculate the effects of totems? Is it calculating the Lvl 70 equivalent totems or lvl 80 equivalent totems? It does know about totems doesn't it? The source totems.cpp only suggests it looks at the relic slot totem. Is it rolled into the Buffs section so you need to manually edit your totem buff values?
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Originally Posted by mek
It seems there is a bit of an underlying issue with WF/FT simulation... namely that WF/WF currently (or at least in live) enjoys a "bug" where its 18% proc rate is checked twice (once per hand) regardless of which hand hits, causing an effective 36% proc rate. This was noticed quickly in the early TBC days as WF procced far more often, even accounting for increased hits, than its previous 2h behaviour accounted for. (I can dig up the tests, they are on these forums somewhere..)
Is this accounted for in current simulations? edit: Nevermind, I just went digging through your code and in fact it is. I'm still going to bring it up with Blizz as it may be devaluing the intended power of WF/FT. |
Well, if WF/FT is our new setup of choice, the quirky proc rate of WF/WF is irrelevant, except so far as it is being incorrectly modeled internally by Blizzard, which may affect their balancing of the DPS of WF/FT. The time for these sorts of changes is in beta, though admittedly it's getting startingly late and enhancement still needs a lot of work.
Again, this may all be irrelevant, we need to see how WF is implemented next build. If we're really lucky they have recoded the whole damn thing to be "less mathy" and these sorts of quirks will already have been ironed out.
Again, this may all be irrelevant, we need to see how WF is implemented next build. If we're really lucky they have recoded the whole damn thing to be "less mathy" and these sorts of quirks will already have been ironed out.
Levva:
70lvl totems and raid buffs.
Only what matter is what kind and how big buffs raid will offer to you.
Tukez: Physical_vulnerability_debuff should be only 2.0/2.0.
70lvl totems and raid buffs.
armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 381/381 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40
Tukez: Physical_vulnerability_debuff should be only 2.0/2.0.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Finally getting round to trying the sim with my own personal values so going through each and every field. I noted there was no talent selection for Enhancing Totems to give +15% to SoE & FT totems. Is this an oversight or is it assumed it will be taken? Similarly with Imp.WF totem? Am I just missing the point and the GUI version doesn't allow altering these? Or is it assumed you max them both? What happens if someone doesn't max them both?
Whilst I'm on totems what totems are we assuming the shammy uses? How does the sim calculate the effects of totems? Is it calculating the Lvl 70 equivalent totems or lvl 80 equivalent totems? It does know about totems doesn't it? The source totems.cpp only suggests it looks at the relic slot totem. Is it rolled into the Buffs section so you need to manually edit your totem buff values? |
@Pitbuller : Ah ofc this makes a lot more sense now that I think about it and I suddenly noticed the tooltips on the GUI for whatever reason they hadn't popped up before. Having a configurable number is easier to modify for level so is the way to go.
If I get something going with a Java GUI I would be tempted to go with a "basic" and "advanced" tabs. Basic would have the tick boxes I'm using these totems and have these buffs. Advanced would be the highly configurable numbers. I'd only be interested in aiming it at the lvl 80 stuff though as by the time I've got something viable the timescale for lvl 70 on patch 3.0 raiding will be negligible. So it seems pointless writing a GUI to be user friendly for that very limited "70 on patch 3.0" market. I'd rather have any user friendly side of things aimed at lvl 80 stuff.
The first aim will still be to replicate the exisiting sim and package it for use with both PC & Mac clients.
@mek : I suppose you have a point if the balancing is based on a flawed mechanic it is indeed better that they fix it, as long as the nett effect is not to nerf our dps I suppose people will still be happy.
It will be interesting tomorrow or Friday when they will probably put up the new patch to see if indeed they have held good to the promise of a less "mathy" WF. Might be a disappointment though for those of us that are heavily into the maths.
If I get something going with a Java GUI I would be tempted to go with a "basic" and "advanced" tabs. Basic would have the tick boxes I'm using these totems and have these buffs. Advanced would be the highly configurable numbers. I'd only be interested in aiming it at the lvl 80 stuff though as by the time I've got something viable the timescale for lvl 70 on patch 3.0 raiding will be negligible. So it seems pointless writing a GUI to be user friendly for that very limited "70 on patch 3.0" market. I'd rather have any user friendly side of things aimed at lvl 80 stuff.
The first aim will still be to replicate the exisiting sim and package it for use with both PC & Mac clients.
@mek : I suppose you have a point if the balancing is based on a flawed mechanic it is indeed better that they fix it, as long as the nett effect is not to nerf our dps I suppose people will still be happy.
It will be interesting tomorrow or Friday when they will probably put up the new patch to see if indeed they have held good to the promise of a less "mathy" WF. Might be a disappointment though for those of us that are heavily into the maths.
EnhSim 0.9.7
0.9.7
-Fixed dual Executioner bug.
-Deathfrost enchant added.
-Guardian elixir slot added.
-Added elixirs: Elixir of Mastery, Guru's Elixir, Elixir of Mighty Agility, Elixir of Might Strength, Elixir of Draenic Wisdom.
-Changed physical vulnerability debuff default to 2.0%.
enhsim - Google Code
Deathfrost is static 8% on melee and 50% with spells, 25s cooldown(spells). It does not record the debuff uptime. If someone wants to have that, let me know and I'll do it. It requires some extra work, thats why I didn't do it now.
Just noticed, that I forgot to change the physical vulnerability debuff default from GUI.
-Fixed dual Executioner bug.
-Deathfrost enchant added.
-Guardian elixir slot added.
-Added elixirs: Elixir of Mastery, Guru's Elixir, Elixir of Mighty Agility, Elixir of Might Strength, Elixir of Draenic Wisdom.
-Changed physical vulnerability debuff default to 2.0%.
enhsim - Google Code
Deathfrost is static 8% on melee and 50% with spells, 25s cooldown(spells). It does not record the debuff uptime. If someone wants to have that, let me know and I'll do it. It requires some extra work, thats why I didn't do it now.
Just noticed, that I forgot to change the physical vulnerability debuff default from GUI.
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I'm in beta now and just bought 3 windfury weapon glyphs (some kind soul was selling them on AH for 1g each). I will now go and test what effect I get from stacking 3 of them if I can. I'll edit and update this msg with results.
Edit: Hmmmm, that sucks, after ages spent retrying to back into server after a crash then carefully trying to remove any other proccing effects - I went and got two new weapons so they had no enchants and removed trinkets, relic totem, no totems etc etc etc, to try to have as little proc effects as possible to isolate the effects of glyphs.
I then did some combat testing (I cant get to Dalaran yet so I cant use the training dummies) with my AP reduced to a lowly 1762 (lots of kit removed and crap weapons) I set about getting some numbers. I then used a single glyph and observed the changes on WF procs. All good so far but taking forever to establish good baselines.
I finally attempt to add a second WF weapon glyph to see if the effects are additive or multiplicative and what happens I get an error "That Glyph is already in use in another socket".
So we have an answer at least the glyphs are unique despite it not saying so on the tooltip. I've submitted a bug report saying it should say that on the tooltip.
So in reply to :
NO they are Unique-Equipped even though they don't say that on the tooltip. As an aside using them puts them in a slot and they cannot be removed only overwritten so they act exactly like a gem in that respect (ie: Unique-Equipped is an excellent tag as its identical to gem behaviour).
NO when you right click on a glyph to use it the appropriate slots light up, you then click on that slot to place it. The UI won't permit using the glyph in the wrong type of slot.
Not sure about flametounge on two weapons with dual FT would need to buy the glyph but only seller is selling it for 1000g and I didn't transfer my bank alt. On live I send my bank alt my spare cash to resist temptations its like putting money in a savings account in real life - if its not in my wallet I'm not tempted to spend it
No SS glyphs on the AH sorry so can't answer last part.
It creates a slight annoyance for the sim you need to prevent people using multiple copies - perhaps the first thing the sim needs to do before it starts churning numbers is to validate the config, this could go into the validation routine as a check. Forgive me if you already validate the config I've not studied the code yet.
Edit: Hmmmm, that sucks, after ages spent retrying to back into server after a crash then carefully trying to remove any other proccing effects - I went and got two new weapons so they had no enchants and removed trinkets, relic totem, no totems etc etc etc, to try to have as little proc effects as possible to isolate the effects of glyphs.
I then did some combat testing (I cant get to Dalaran yet so I cant use the training dummies) with my AP reduced to a lowly 1762 (lots of kit removed and crap weapons) I set about getting some numbers. I then used a single glyph and observed the changes on WF procs. All good so far but taking forever to establish good baselines.
I finally attempt to add a second WF weapon glyph to see if the effects are additive or multiplicative and what happens I get an error "That Glyph is already in use in another socket".
So we have an answer at least the glyphs are unique despite it not saying so on the tooltip. I've submitted a bug report saying it should say that on the tooltip.
So in reply to :
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Originally Posted by tukez
Hey questions about glyphs. Can we use same type of glyph in multiple slots and do they stack? Can we use minor glyphs in major slot? Also, if you use Glyph of Flametongue Weapon and dual FT, do you get 4% spell crit? Is the Glyph of Stormstrike bonus damage additive or multiplicative to the existing 20%.
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NO when you right click on a glyph to use it the appropriate slots light up, you then click on that slot to place it. The UI won't permit using the glyph in the wrong type of slot.
Not sure about flametounge on two weapons with dual FT would need to buy the glyph but only seller is selling it for 1000g and I didn't transfer my bank alt. On live I send my bank alt my spare cash to resist temptations its like putting money in a savings account in real life - if its not in my wallet I'm not tempted to spend it
No SS glyphs on the AH sorry so can't answer last part.
It creates a slight annoyance for the sim you need to prevent people using multiple copies - perhaps the first thing the sim needs to do before it starts churning numbers is to validate the config, this could go into the validation routine as a check. Forgive me if you already validate the config I've not studied the code yet.
Last edited by Levva : 09/17/08 at 9:07 PM.
Tukez - Glyphs do not stack I checked today, you can have exactly 1 of each glyph (3 total). I have all the Enhancement glyphs ready to go for use once they fix the bugs on windfury. Not going to test the Stormstrike one until they make the change for Stormstrike to be fire/frost/nature.
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Originally Posted by Levva
However as Tukez sim is in C++ and WILL be a separate .exe the only thing a Java GUI could do would be to launch a separate process. Unless we can do some shell embedding or some other clever stuff.
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Originally Posted by Levva
However as Tukez sim is in C++ and WILL be a separate .exe the only thing a Java GUI could do would be to launch a separate process. Unless we can do some shell embedding or some other clever stuff.
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You can import C++ code into java. It's called native integration and its been in the JDK since v1.1. The software that I develop on at my job is built around this, the simulation I work on uses a C and C++ terrain database and a java sim engine/gui. You don't need to "call a binary" to do this.
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Tukez: Two minor changes to sim.
Lava Lash:
Thundering Strikes Rank 5:
Lavaburst get another rank but is level 80 and everything else in sim is 70lvl stuff.
Edit: If you add 80lvl ranks and buffs make it optional. Lot's of us still wan't use sim at 70lvl.
Lava Lash:
You charge your off-hand weapon with lava, instantly dealing 100% off-hand Weapon damage. Damage is increased by 25% if your off-hand weapon is enchanted with Flametongue. 4% of base mana, 5 yd range, Instant cast, 6 sec cooldown
Improves your chance to get a critical strike with all spells and attacks by 5%.
Lavaburst get another rank but is level 80 and everything else in sim is 70lvl stuff.
Edit: If you add 80lvl ranks and buffs make it optional. Lot's of us still wan't use sim at 70lvl.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/18/08 at 5:43 AM.
Now that you mention it .. a switch for 70/80 would be nice .. once all the ranks and details are out, anyway
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Originally Posted by Malan
Say what?
You can import C++ code into java. It's called native integration and its been in the JDK since v1.1. The software that I develop on at my job is built around this, the simulation I work on uses a C and C++ terrain database and a java sim engine/gui. You don't need to "call a binary" to do this. |
Just google for "native code java" and you'll get loads of examples.
Tukez - make sure you remove the ability to stack glyphs.
Tukez - make sure you remove the ability to stack glyphs.
0.9.9
-Changed Lava Lash cooldown to 6s and damage multiplier to 100%.
-Changed Lava Burst mana cost to 10%.
enhsim - Google Code
Thundering Strikers: No need to change anything, as it is passive bonus, which shows on the char sheet.
Glyphs: I didn't change anything yet, just added comment/tooltip, which says that you cannot use same type of glyph in multiple slots.
-Changed Lava Lash cooldown to 6s and damage multiplier to 100%.
-Changed Lava Burst mana cost to 10%.
enhsim - Google Code
Thundering Strikers: No need to change anything, as it is passive bonus, which shows on the char sheet.
Glyphs: I didn't change anything yet, just added comment/tooltip, which says that you cannot use same type of glyph in multiple slots.
New build : New Enchants
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...allrecipes.jpg
Enchant Weapon - Greater Potency : +50 AP
Enchant Weapon - Superior Potency : +65 AP
Enchant Weapon - Massacre : +110 AP
Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spellpower : +63 SP
Now I can't really see any point in including Greater Potency or Mighty Spell Power in the sim, there is perhaps a justification in including Superior Potency as its much cheaper than Massacre but I suspect Massacre is the one that really needs to be in there for serious raiding and ignore the others.
However it may be that it simply adds AP to the char sheet tooltip in which case nothing needed. It does create an interesting issue however where you use the AP from the tooltip and need to set enchant to nothing. Or is it wise to have an option for Massacre but have it do nothing because the AP is already reflected in tooltip?
Depends on how intelligent you think the users are, my style is to code for thick users.
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...allrecipes.jpg
Enchant Weapon - Greater Potency : +50 AP
Enchant Weapon - Superior Potency : +65 AP
Enchant Weapon - Massacre : +110 AP
Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spellpower : +63 SP
Now I can't really see any point in including Greater Potency or Mighty Spell Power in the sim, there is perhaps a justification in including Superior Potency as its much cheaper than Massacre but I suspect Massacre is the one that really needs to be in there for serious raiding and ignore the others.
However it may be that it simply adds AP to the char sheet tooltip in which case nothing needed. It does create an interesting issue however where you use the AP from the tooltip and need to set enchant to nothing. Or is it wise to have an option for Massacre but have it do nothing because the AP is already reflected in tooltip?
Depends on how intelligent you think the users are, my style is to code for thick users.
Massacre to me seems to be an enchant for a 2 hander, just missing the relevant text.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Depends on how intelligent you think the users are, my style is to code for thick users.
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Although, in your GUI, all of those might be needed, depending how do you do it. For example, if you let people change items, enchants etc.
Info coming thick and fast as usual - new trinkets seen in new build :
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...idtrinkets.jpg
Ones for sim are probably :
Fury of the Five Flights : each melee hit = +16 AP stacks 20 times (similar to Darkmoon Card: Crusade)
Grim Toll : +83 hit rating and melee attacks chance to increase Armor Penetration by 612 for 10 secs - Question: Things like this do spell hit too? Looks like exceeding spell hit cap is going to be easy if you get +83 from one item.
Embrace of the Spider : +98 Spell power, spells have chance to increase haste rating by 505 for 10 secs!!!! That SOUNDS enormous as it doesn't say spell haste just haste rating so I assume it affects our melee swings too.
Loatheb's Shadow : +84 crit strike rating, Use: +670 AP for 20 sec (2min CD).
Mirror of Truth : +84 crit strike rating, chance on crit +1000 AP for 10 sec. Sounds like a Enh Shammy one to me
Sundial of the Exiled : +84 crit strike rating, harmful spells have change to add + 590 spellpower for 10 sec.
Note no item levels noted so can't tell if these are starter ones but they sound like Naxx trinkets (Loatheb and all) ie: itemLevel 200.
Note no information at all about proc rates etc - all too early to tell, this is from data mining not from drops.
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...idtrinkets.jpg
Ones for sim are probably :
Fury of the Five Flights : each melee hit = +16 AP stacks 20 times (similar to Darkmoon Card: Crusade)
Grim Toll : +83 hit rating and melee attacks chance to increase Armor Penetration by 612 for 10 secs - Question: Things like this do spell hit too? Looks like exceeding spell hit cap is going to be easy if you get +83 from one item.
Embrace of the Spider : +98 Spell power, spells have chance to increase haste rating by 505 for 10 secs!!!! That SOUNDS enormous as it doesn't say spell haste just haste rating so I assume it affects our melee swings too.
Loatheb's Shadow : +84 crit strike rating, Use: +670 AP for 20 sec (2min CD).
Mirror of Truth : +84 crit strike rating, chance on crit +1000 AP for 10 sec. Sounds like a Enh Shammy one to me
Sundial of the Exiled : +84 crit strike rating, harmful spells have change to add + 590 spellpower for 10 sec.
Note no item levels noted so can't tell if these are starter ones but they sound like Naxx trinkets (Loatheb and all) ie: itemLevel 200.
Note no information at all about proc rates etc - all too early to tell, this is from data mining not from drops.
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Originally Posted by tukez
My opinion is, that if you are intelligent enough the get something useful out of the sim, you are intelligent enough to understand, that passive bonus enchants(or whatever) are not needed to be included separately.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Is that consistent with the rest of your interface? That's the only concern, as long as it's done the same way for every input it should be ok.
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Tukez, Stormstrike glyph is additive, it adjusts the bonus damage to 28%. Just checked on beta.
Would it be possible to let us set a complete damage rotation including multiple spell casts? The priority system implemented is nice, but doesn't necessarily let you maximize your casts in any meaningful way. Its real easy for a simulator to say 'if MWStack=5, use LvB', not quite so easy when you are juggling SS/Shocks/LL/LvB/MW/Totems/LS cooldowns all at once.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
, not quite so easy when you are juggling SS/Shocks/LL/LvB/MW/Totems/LS cooldowns all at once.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Would it be possible to let us set a complete damage rotation including multiple spell casts? The priority system implemented is nice, but doesn't necessarily let you maximize your casts in any meaningful way. Its real easy for a simulator to say 'if MWStack=5, use LvB', not quite so easy when you are juggling SS/Shocks/LL/LvB/MW/Totems/LS cooldowns all at once.
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Originally Posted by Urgok
I think he means that a priority 1 MW_LB and a priority 2 MW_LvB can't function in the simulator together. The MW_LB command is always executed instead of the priority 2 command. So I suppose an OR option would be nice.
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OH I have 5 stacks of MW (easy to see with ShockAndAwe Enh Shammy addon - shameless plug) so you have determined in the sim I should use :
1: MW_LvB
2: MW_LB
So your though process is "is LvB off cooldown" (again easy with ShockAndAwe - well it will be when I write that bit) if it is you know thats your priority so you do that. If not then you go to next in the list LB - well I can do that so off you go and cast LB.
Now at first it will take some getting used to but I do think that the whole concept of having to make intelligent decisions rather than button mashing will bring a lot of skill and interest to the class. Sure at first we wont do max dps cos we will forget the priorities, however in time we will learn these new skills.
The ones that stay button mashing will have much lower dps than those of us that put in the time and effort to learn new skills and having that as a clear differentiator is great. I like that I could out dps someone geared in T8 gear vs me in starter Naxx gear because I put in the effort to be more skillful. It would be great if the game became more about skillful players and less about macros and gear.
Having said that I am well aware that writing an addon to make it easier to decide makes the comments slightly hypocritical. Still all an addon does is present the info for you to decide in a simple manner, it doesn't actually decide anything for you.
Edit: On re-reading your specific ordering there is still no need for an OR, they are mutually exclusive in that order and the MB_LvB AFTER a MB_LB in a priority queue doesnt have an "OR" its simply not part of the priority queue. The sim knows this and its up to the player to learn this.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Not needed if you set the PRIORITY in the sim OR viewing the situation in game and YOU are making decisions then think what happens.
OH I have 5 stacks of MW (easy to see with ShockAndAwe Enh Shammy addon - shameless plug) so you have determined in the sim I should use : 1: MW_LvB 2: MW_LB So your though process is "is LvB off cooldown" (again easy with ShockAndAwe - well it will be when I write that bit) if it is you know thats your priority so you do that. If not then you go to next in the list LB - well I can do that so off you go and cast LB. Now at first it will take some getting used to but I do think that the whole concept of having to make intelligent decisions rather than button mashing will bring a lot of skill and interest to the class. Sure at first we wont do max dps cos we will forget the priorities, however in time we will learn these new skills. The ones that stay button mashing will have much lower dps than those of us that put in the time and effort to learn new skills and having that as a clear differentiator is great. I like that I could out dps someone geared in T8 gear vs me in starter Naxx gear because I put in the effort to be more skillful. It would be great if the game became more about skillful players and less about macros and gear. Having said that I am well aware that writing an addon to make it easier to decide makes the comments slightly hypocritical. Still all an addon does is present the info for you to decide in a simple manner, it doesn't actually decide anything for you. Edit: On re-reading your specific ordering there is still no need for an OR, they are mutually exclusive in that order and the MB_LvB AFTER a MB_LB in a priority queue doesnt have an "OR" its simply not part of the priority queue. The sim knows this and its up to the player to learn this. |
But ignoring the 'speculation' on my original post, I'd like the option of simply selecting the order MANUALLY of spells I want to cast and see what happens.
Last edited by Hothgor : 09/18/08 at 10:11 PM.
You might be able to do that hothgar to some extent using the "rotation and misc" section.
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 6.0 //maximum seconds to wait for LvB cooldown to use MW
Does this command tell the simulator to wait for the LvB CD if its under X for the MW_LB command and for all instances of MW_(anything here) despite the priority?
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 6.0 //maximum seconds to wait for LvB cooldown to use MW
Does this command tell the simulator to wait for the LvB CD if its under X for the MW_LB command and for all instances of MW_(anything here) despite the priority?
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Every other class has a rotationeems , it just ssilly that we can't and we are so apathetic about it.
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Originally Posted by Malan
No, not every other class has a "rotation."
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Shadowpriests, for one.
All this stuff in beta has me so confused. When I transferred my shaman over, I started messing around in Northrend, but the new priority list and new abilities like Lava Lash have left me cross-eyed trying to figure out what to do.
All this stuff in beta has me so confused. When I transferred my shaman over, I started messing around in Northrend, but the new priority list and new abilities like Lava Lash have left me cross-eyed trying to figure out what to do.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Really? Which ones don't?
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Originally Posted by ANSeranov
All this stuff in beta has me so confused. When I transferred my shaman over, I started messing around in Northrend, but the new priority list and new abilities like Lava Lash have left me cross-eyed trying to figure out what to do.
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Last edited by Malan : 09/18/08 at 11:46 PM.
I think the best analogue is to DPS warriors. Rage generation and MW generation are similar concepts, and lead to both of us having dps priorities, not fixed rotations.
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Originally Posted by Urgok
You might be able to do that hothgar to some extent using the "rotation and misc" section.
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 6.0 //maximum seconds to wait for LvB cooldown to use MW Does this command tell the simulator to wait for the LvB CD if its under X for the MW_LB command and for all instances of MW_(anything here) despite the priority? |
Hey, did they change the DW specialization to increase spell hit also? If they did, I assume that it does not show on the char sheet, as it is DW only?
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Originally Posted by tukez
Hey, did they change the DW specialization to increase spell hit also? If they did, I assume that it does not show on the char sheet, as it is DW only?
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Originally Posted by Levva
I cant get to Dalaran yet so I cant use the training dummies
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At least on the EU servers the dummies in the old capitals are lvl 80 .. which makes them pointless for lvl 70 testing. i'd be fine on beta servers but they're also 80 on ptr 
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
So pretty much we all plan on 'prioritizing' our abilites. My problem is: "MW just popped up, but SS cooldown is up in 1 second and WF is off cooldown, to LvB or not to LvB?" I prefer dealing in absolutes or with situations that seem somewhat logical.
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Regarding Damage Rotations/Priority
I managed to log onto the premade server last night to test a few things out with regards to how much damage we could do. I tried three methods.
First, a priority system.
I had 5/5 Elemental Fury, 2/3 Call of Flame, 3/3 Static Shock and 5/5 Unleashed Rage.
I started off meleeing as normal to get 5 stacks of MW while dropping my totems and poping Lightning shield. After casting the initial MW_LvB, I jumped into using a priority system. Stormstrike always took higher priority over Flame Shock, which took a higher priority over Lava Lash, which took a higher priority over Earth Shock or Lightning Shield Refresh. Whenever MW was ready to blow, I would ignore any other cooldowns that were refreshed and popped LvB OR LB depending on how quickly I could build 5 stacks. After some initial test runs to refine my order and priority system 'you technically can't get a second LL/Shock between SS cooldowns without pushing SS back', I set out to do a proper test.
The results: The best I could manage to do was around 1850 damage. I did this for almost 2 hours and approximately 14,000,000 damage. Now I used no Goatism, and no Feral Spirits. I wasn't always solo attacking the dummy, and I do not know if I was 'leeching' other players buffs at varying times.
Second, a rotation system.
I had 5/5 Elemental Fury, 2/3 Call of Flame, 3/3 Static Shock and 5/5 Unleashed Rage
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst;
That is the macro that I set up to one button smash while damaging the targeting dummy. Again I started auto attacking while dropping totems, then set into spamming the macro for all my worth just to see what would happen. When it came time to cast Lava Burst, I cast it regardless of the MW charges I have 'our swing time does NOT appear to reset'.
The results: I averaged 2050 dps for 20+ minutes. The test was approximately 16 minutes long, but I decided to stop once the DPS stabilized within a 10 dps range. Again I wasn't always solo attacking, but for this test I had a good 12 minutes of solo time on my dummy.
Third, a rotation system.
I had 5/5 Elemental Fury, 2/3 Call of Flame, 3/3 Static Shock and 0/5 Unleashed Rage with 5/5 Reverberation.
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst;
Same macro as before, just with 1 second faster shock times. Once again, I started auto attacking while dropping totems, then set into spamming the macro as before. I also cast Lava Burst regardless of having a 5/5 stack or not.
The 'surprising' results:
Total Damage: 1917554
Average DPS: 2011
Melee: 556832 (31.1%) Misses 15.2%, Criticals 37%, Dodge 8.6% 1093 count
Lava Burst: 435378 (24.3%) 0% Misses, 100% crit, 103 count
Flametongue Attack: 243709 (13.6%) 75.3% hits, 24.7% crits, 584 count
Windfury Attack: 179742 (10.1%) 60.9% hits, 30.5% crits, 8.6% dodge, 174 count
Flame Shock: 105475 (5.9%) Hits 75.7%, Crits 24.3%, 103 Count
Lava Lash: 103780 (5.8%) Hits 63.1%, Crits 29.1%, Dodge 7.8%, 103 count
Earth Shock: 64443 (3.6%) Hits 60.6%, Crits 39.4%, 33 count
Lightning Shield: 51068 (2.9%) 100% hits, 73 count
Unfortunately this was the only detailed test I could do last night before the server began to crap out on me. Because of the combat log bugs, Stormstrike was not showing up on the recount detailed list. As you can see, I managed to still pull off over 2000 dps on the level 80 dummy. The dummy DID seem to dodge an anomalously large number of times '6.5 expected, 8.6% result'. The breakdowns were typical of our expected ratios. Only Windfury was low, but I was using rank 8 instead of 5 under the mistaken assumption that all WF ranks were broken.
Summy: Take what you want from my tests, see if you can do better on the actual PTR. My opinion is that simulators are great, but only worth talking about when they match up with real world situations. BTW, can anyone explain WHY I was doing so much more damage with the rotation system?
I managed to log onto the premade server last night to test a few things out with regards to how much damage we could do. I tried three methods.
First, a priority system.
I had 5/5 Elemental Fury, 2/3 Call of Flame, 3/3 Static Shock and 5/5 Unleashed Rage.
I started off meleeing as normal to get 5 stacks of MW while dropping my totems and poping Lightning shield. After casting the initial MW_LvB, I jumped into using a priority system. Stormstrike always took higher priority over Flame Shock, which took a higher priority over Lava Lash, which took a higher priority over Earth Shock or Lightning Shield Refresh. Whenever MW was ready to blow, I would ignore any other cooldowns that were refreshed and popped LvB OR LB depending on how quickly I could build 5 stacks. After some initial test runs to refine my order and priority system 'you technically can't get a second LL/Shock between SS cooldowns without pushing SS back', I set out to do a proper test.
The results: The best I could manage to do was around 1850 damage. I did this for almost 2 hours and approximately 14,000,000 damage. Now I used no Goatism, and no Feral Spirits. I wasn't always solo attacking the dummy, and I do not know if I was 'leeching' other players buffs at varying times.
Second, a rotation system.
I had 5/5 Elemental Fury, 2/3 Call of Flame, 3/3 Static Shock and 5/5 Unleashed Rage
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst;
That is the macro that I set up to one button smash while damaging the targeting dummy. Again I started auto attacking while dropping totems, then set into spamming the macro for all my worth just to see what would happen. When it came time to cast Lava Burst, I cast it regardless of the MW charges I have 'our swing time does NOT appear to reset'.
The results: I averaged 2050 dps for 20+ minutes. The test was approximately 16 minutes long, but I decided to stop once the DPS stabilized within a 10 dps range. Again I wasn't always solo attacking, but for this test I had a good 12 minutes of solo time on my dummy.
Third, a rotation system.
I had 5/5 Elemental Fury, 2/3 Call of Flame, 3/3 Static Shock and 0/5 Unleashed Rage with 5/5 Reverberation.
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst;
Same macro as before, just with 1 second faster shock times. Once again, I started auto attacking while dropping totems, then set into spamming the macro as before. I also cast Lava Burst regardless of having a 5/5 stack or not.
The 'surprising' results:
Total Damage: 1917554
Average DPS: 2011
Melee: 556832 (31.1%) Misses 15.2%, Criticals 37%, Dodge 8.6% 1093 count
Lava Burst: 435378 (24.3%) 0% Misses, 100% crit, 103 count
Flametongue Attack: 243709 (13.6%) 75.3% hits, 24.7% crits, 584 count
Windfury Attack: 179742 (10.1%) 60.9% hits, 30.5% crits, 8.6% dodge, 174 count
Flame Shock: 105475 (5.9%) Hits 75.7%, Crits 24.3%, 103 Count
Lava Lash: 103780 (5.8%) Hits 63.1%, Crits 29.1%, Dodge 7.8%, 103 count
Earth Shock: 64443 (3.6%) Hits 60.6%, Crits 39.4%, 33 count
Lightning Shield: 51068 (2.9%) 100% hits, 73 count
Unfortunately this was the only detailed test I could do last night before the server began to crap out on me. Because of the combat log bugs, Stormstrike was not showing up on the recount detailed list. As you can see, I managed to still pull off over 2000 dps on the level 80 dummy. The dummy DID seem to dodge an anomalously large number of times '6.5 expected, 8.6% result'. The breakdowns were typical of our expected ratios. Only Windfury was low, but I was using rank 8 instead of 5 under the mistaken assumption that all WF ranks were broken.
Summy: Take what you want from my tests, see if you can do better on the actual PTR. My opinion is that simulators are great, but only worth talking about when they match up with real world situations. BTW, can anyone explain WHY I was doing so much more damage with the rotation system?
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
BTW, can anyone explain WHY I was doing so much more damage with the rotation system?
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Just a note on the mechanics of Windfury and how it interacts with Elemental Weapons (I was reminded of this while doing some testing earlier and since I had forgotten I just want to make sure that the Sim is using the proper mechanics).
Elemental Weapons adds 40% to the total Windfury proc not just to the bonus AP.
So for rank 8 Windfury Weapon it would be
((Weapon dps x (AP + (1250 x 1.4))/14) x weapon speed) x 1.4
The first 1.4 representing the Windfury Weapon Glyph and the second one representing Elemental Weapons.
If that is already incorporated into the Sim then just ignore this.
(if there is doubt that the mechanic works that way the simplest check is just to respec and beat on a dummy without Elemental Weapons and then with it and you will see a jump in damage that is too much to be explained by Elemental Weapons only working on the AP bonus - use rank 5 in the beta since that is the highest rank that is actually still getting bonus AP damage although the Elemental Weapons talent will work on the new ranks but just without any bonus AP)
Elemental Weapons adds 40% to the total Windfury proc not just to the bonus AP.
So for rank 8 Windfury Weapon it would be
((Weapon dps x (AP + (1250 x 1.4))/14) x weapon speed) x 1.4
The first 1.4 representing the Windfury Weapon Glyph and the second one representing Elemental Weapons.
If that is already incorporated into the Sim then just ignore this.
(if there is doubt that the mechanic works that way the simplest check is just to respec and beat on a dummy without Elemental Weapons and then with it and you will see a jump in damage that is too much to be explained by Elemental Weapons only working on the AP bonus - use rank 5 in the beta since that is the highest rank that is actually still getting bonus AP damage although the Elemental Weapons talent will work on the new ranks but just without any bonus AP)
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Originally Posted by Malan
Self fulfilling prophecy?
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Hotgor: There might be different priorities if you are not raid buffed. I'm not interested about solo dps only raid dps. Test with all raid buffs and there might be some point.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
I invite you to test it out for yourself, Malan. With a level 80 premade, we will have the same gear, talents, and we SHOULD have the same skill levels when it comes to this. When I get home later tonight, I will put in the premade 80 character stats into the simulator, and I'll see what it says I am supposed to be doing assuming perfect prioritization. I invite you to 'show me the numbers' yourself and challenge my statements here in the previous post. I can only post what the data I'm collecting from the BETA shows me after all. If you can do better, surely you can do the same!
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Hotgor: There might be different priorities if you are not raid buffed. I'm not interested about solo dps only raid dps. Test with all raid buffs and there might be some point.
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I punch in my solo premade stats into the simulator, a number should pop out that closely resembles my live testing data.
I punch in my raid premade stats into the simulator, a number should pop out that closely resembles my live testing data.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
that closely resembles my live testing data.
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Originally Posted by Malan
How can it closely resemble testing data if you didn't have those buffs and debuffs while testing?
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Also, might it be possible that a cast sequence macro is better for a non-raid solo situation? From what I have seen raid buffs up the spell portion of our DPS. A cast sequence is tailored to fit in as many of our melee strikes as possible and a priority system allows us to maximize our spell DPS.
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Originally Posted by Malan
How can it closely resemble testing data if you didn't have those buffs and debuffs while testing?
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Originally Posted by Mman
He means that the sim should accurately match testing if the buffs/debuffs are the same in both situations. IE, the sim ran without raid buffs should match the testing he did.
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Originally Posted by Mman
Also, might it be possible that a cast sequence macro is better for a non-raid solo situation? From what I have seen raid buffs up the spell portion of our DPS. A cast sequence is tailored to fit in as many of our melee strikes as possible and a priority system allows us to maximize our spell DPS.
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Last edited by Hothgor : 09/19/08 at 5:12 PM.
If the theory and sims determines an "ideal" rotation based on a priority system, and your ingame tests show that you can't match that dps, all that proves is your own inability to match the execution of the sim, not a flaw in the theory. There are many extraneous things that influence actual ingame execution, from lag to player awareness. Sometimes the sim can create an impossibly ideal situation, and if that is the case it would need to be addressed (for instance if it wasn't including latency and was creating a perfect rotation that would never happen). Other times things don't need to be included in calculations because they affect everything equally, but they will reduce your actual seen results (things like partial resists and crit suppression for casters aren't going to change your gearing as a caster).
One of the biggest reasons hunters and destruction warlocks are able to do top dps now is because there is basically nothing for them to screw up. You press your one button over and over, and you get a result that is as close to the theory as one can get. Those classes are conducive to that, because the theory has proven that adding something more complex actually reduces your overall dps. Not everyone can play a class that requires you to make a judgment call every couple of seconds in order to optimize dps, but anyone can spam a button, and it certainly makes getting out of the fire easier if you have nothing else to pay attention to.
Quite frankly, the game is simple enough that the margin of difference, even for the most complex classes, is rarely very much. Spamming a macro will get you consistent dps because you can't screw it up, and it minimizes the impact of latency. If a more complex rotation or priority system allows for better ideal dps but requires more skillful execution, not everyone will be able to do that. Many of us eagerly anticipate the 3.0 changes as we believe our personal skill will set us apart from the button mashers, especially in certain classes. One of the things that makes me more excited to play my enhancement shaman is the potential for it to be complex and interesting. I look forward to the same thing being true of my warlock as well. Plenty of us will be quite happy to see the people that think they are great just because they can use a spreadsheet and press one button over and over drop off the charts when playing skillfully actually matters. But the sad reality is the difference is probably never going to be as significant as we would like to think it is, especially in a game where the single most important factor is the gear you have.
One of the biggest reasons hunters and destruction warlocks are able to do top dps now is because there is basically nothing for them to screw up. You press your one button over and over, and you get a result that is as close to the theory as one can get. Those classes are conducive to that, because the theory has proven that adding something more complex actually reduces your overall dps. Not everyone can play a class that requires you to make a judgment call every couple of seconds in order to optimize dps, but anyone can spam a button, and it certainly makes getting out of the fire easier if you have nothing else to pay attention to.
Quite frankly, the game is simple enough that the margin of difference, even for the most complex classes, is rarely very much. Spamming a macro will get you consistent dps because you can't screw it up, and it minimizes the impact of latency. If a more complex rotation or priority system allows for better ideal dps but requires more skillful execution, not everyone will be able to do that. Many of us eagerly anticipate the 3.0 changes as we believe our personal skill will set us apart from the button mashers, especially in certain classes. One of the things that makes me more excited to play my enhancement shaman is the potential for it to be complex and interesting. I look forward to the same thing being true of my warlock as well. Plenty of us will be quite happy to see the people that think they are great just because they can use a spreadsheet and press one button over and over drop off the charts when playing skillfully actually matters. But the sad reality is the difference is probably never going to be as significant as we would like to think it is, especially in a game where the single most important factor is the gear you have.
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Originally Posted by Sydane
If the theory and sims determines an "ideal" rotation based on a priority system, and your ingame tests show that you can't match that dps, all that proves is your own inability to match the execution of the sim, not a flaw in the theory. There are many extraneous things that influence actual ingame execution, from lag to player awareness. Sometimes the sim can create an impossibly ideal situation, and if that is the case it would need to be addressed (for instance if it wasn't including latency and was creating a perfect rotation that would never happen). Other times things don't need to be included in calculations because they affect everything equally, but they will reduce your actual seen results (things like partial resists and crit suppression for casters aren't going to change your gearing as a caster).
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Originally Posted by Sydane
One of the biggest reasons hunters and destruction warlocks are able to do top dps now is because there is basically nothing for them to screw up. You press your one button over and over, and you get a result that is as close to the theory as one can get. Those classes are conducive to that, because the theory has proven that adding something more complex actually reduces your overall dps. Not everyone can play a class that requires you to make a judgment call every couple of seconds in order to optimize dps, but anyone can spam a button, and it certainly makes getting out of the fire easier if you have nothing else to pay attention to.
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Originally Posted by Sydane
Quite frankly, the game is simple enough that the margin of difference, even for the most complex classes, is rarely very much. Spamming a macro will get you consistent dps because you can't screw it up, and it minimizes the impact of latency. If a more complex rotation or priority system allows for better ideal dps but requires more skillful execution, not everyone will be able to do that. Many of us eagerly anticipate the 3.0 changes as we believe our personal skill will set us apart from the button mashers, especially in certain classes. One of the things that makes me more excited to play my enhancement shaman is the potential for it to be complex and interesting. I look forward to the same thing being true of my warlock as well. Plenty of us will be quite happy to see the people that think they are great just because they can use a spreadsheet and press one button over and over drop off the charts when playing skillfully actually matters. But the sad reality is the difference is probably never going to be as significant as we would like to think it is, especially in a game where the single most important factor is the gear you have.
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Unfortunately for me, the burden of proof doesn't rest on my shoulders. It rests on you to show me that I am wrong!
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Why wouldn't it be better in a raid? Unless our melee damage is less than our spell casting damage...
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Unfortunately for me, the burden of proof doesn't rest on my shoulders. It rests on you to show me that I am wrong!
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Just remember, that simulator is not for lvl 80 yet. Some new mechanics are probably bit off too. LvB in simulator is the first rank at lvl 75, other stuff is lvl 70.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Just remember, that simulator is not for lvl 80 yet. Some new mechanics are probably bit off too. LvB in simulator is the first rank at lvl 75, other stuff is lvl 70.
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Originally Posted by Mman
In a non-raid situation the spell DPS gained through doing a priority system might not be enough to make up for the melee dps loss of not doing a cast sequence. However, the raid buffs could be enough to make the spell dps gained through a priority system more than the melee dps lost. Our spell dps does not need to bigger portion of our overall dps for this to be true.
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Originally Posted by Mman
This would be true if you had proven anything. Unfortunately everybody else has more evidence than you do (or at least what you have shown to us). The only thing you have proven is the inability for you to match the simulator, not that a cast sequence is supperior.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Game mechanics, aside from the rating needed for 1% increase, don't change from level 70 to level 80. If the simulator is ONLY going to work for level 70, then why are we using it?
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Thanks for making an effort to validate the sim, but I think it's a bit too early for that. I am actually thinking how to implement a fixed rotation system to the sim, in addition to the priority system. I'm open minded for every possibility. Just trying to make a good sim here, not prove anything.
I read your post on the WotLK thread about FT normalization to 1.5 and 3.0 speeds. My sim does not take that into account. So, I just want to know that this mechanic is correct, before I change it to the sim.
I read someone reporting high LL crits. Is LL affected by the 50% off hand penalty or not? Someone also said, the crits are affected by Elemental Fury, which sounds wierd.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Spell ranks might make a difference.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Thanks for making an effort to validate the sim, but I think it's a bit too early for that. I am actually thinking how to implement a fixed rotation system to the sim, in addition to the priority system. I'm open minded for every possibility. Just trying to make a good sim here, not prove anything.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I read your post on the WotLK thread about FT normalization to 1.5 and 3.0 speeds. My sim does not take that into account. So, I just want to know that this mechanic is correct, before I change it to the sim.
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Flametongue Weapon - Spell - World of Warcraft The comments seem to also indicate the lower boundary to be 1.5 seconds as well.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I read someone reporting high LL crits. Is LL affected by the 50% off hand penalty or not? Someone also said, the crits are affected by Elemental Fury, which sounds wierd.
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Last edited by Hothgor : 09/19/08 at 8:15 PM.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
TrI was getting 2100-2300 LL crits on the beta. That would seem to indicate its base weapon damage and not 50%.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
True, but the additional melee ranks would also offset those. IMHO, the simulator should be based on level 80 ratings, spells and abilities. We may only have 1-2 weeks of fun at level 70 before WotLK comes out, and I'd hate to see the simulator wasted if it really is designed for only level 70 combat.
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Originally Posted by mek
Follow-up question: what kind of damage does a WF proc from Lava Lash do?
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Originally Posted by mek
Follow-up question: what kind of damage does a WF proc from Lava Lash do?
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I was wrong, FT scales from 1.3 to 4.0 weapon speeds.
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Fresh from the Beta. I did find out that Windfury is still bugged for ranks 6-8, and SS still doesn't show up int he combat log as far as I could tell. HOWEVER, melee attacks are no longer consuming SS charges. This is good news of course. In a few other tests, WF-5 was being outdamageg by the offhand flametongue weapon damage
Paper Doll Stats Unbuffed:
2298 AP
1238 Spell Power
8.68 MHit
2.68 SHit
25.23 MCrit
21.67 SHit
1.83 Haste
129 Str
439 Agi
386 Int
Talent Spec:
Test 1
This was a 12 minute fight. 0/5 UR, 3/3 SS and 3/3 IES, however due to mana issues I did not use Static Shock at all. Because WF is still broken, and the fact that FT is doing more damage than WF is presently, I used dual FT enchants. For this testing purpose, I used the following macro:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
The results were interesting!
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1450291
DPS: 2014.3
Pretty high damage for Lava Burst and Lava Lash!
Test 2
Same Macro, but 5/5 UR
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1478905
DPS 2054
The spell damage portion of our overall damage with dual FT is around ~65%(~55% with MH WF)!!! Flametongue Weapon does NOT seem to be proccing off every hit in either test!
Test 3
My final test for the night! Same macro, but instead of equiping [Savage Gladiator's Cleaver] I used [Savage Gladiator's Spellblade] . Note that it is a MH only weapon!
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1547292
DPS: 2149
Even with a caster MAIN HAND weapon with FT, it was quite a bit of an upgrade. Hope you found this info useful!
Paper Doll Stats Unbuffed:
2298 AP
1238 Spell Power
8.68 MHit
2.68 SHit
25.23 MCrit
21.67 SHit
1.83 Haste
129 Str
439 Agi
386 Int
Talent Spec:
Test 1
This was a 12 minute fight. 0/5 UR, 3/3 SS and 3/3 IES, however due to mana issues I did not use Static Shock at all. Because WF is still broken, and the fact that FT is doing more damage than WF is presently, I used dual FT enchants. For this testing purpose, I used the following macro:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
The results were interesting!
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1450291
DPS: 2014.3
Ability Count Damage % High Low Lava Burst 70 411915 31.4 6829 4334 Melee 808 360235 27.5 FT Weapon 614 257189 19.6 Lava Lash 104 95940 7.3 2733 541 Flame Shock 70 84713 6.5 Earth Shock 35 60574 4.6 FS Dot 113 41262 3.1
Test 2
Same Macro, but 5/5 UR
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1478905
DPS 2054
Ability Count Damage % High Low Lava burst 72 417056 30.9 6930 4444 Melee 829 377089 27.9 FT Weapon 609 245501 18.2 Lava Lash 107 109056 8.1 2853 559 Flame Shock 72 85184 6.3 Earth Shock 36 71981 5.3 FS Dot 120 43335 3.2
Test 3
My final test for the night! Same macro, but instead of equiping [Savage Gladiator's Cleaver] I used [Savage Gladiator's Spellblade] . Note that it is a MH only weapon!
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1547292
DPS: 2149
Ability Count Damage % High Low Lava Burst 72 439407 31.6 6832 5009 Melee 1122 340137 24.5 FT Weapon 707 290991 20.9 Lava Lash 107 106116 7.6 2495 555 Flame Shock 72 97276 7.0 Earth Shock 36 72916 5.2 FS Dot 112 43925 3.2
Last edited by Hothgor : 09/22/08 at 4:21 PM.
Regarding Lava Lash
I took off all of my equipment and bought myself a nice shiny [Jambiya] . The listed damage range was 29-34 damage, according to my character sheet. I only tested this with flametongue enchant and only did a few attacks, but without any gear and procs, there was little need for a large sample size.
Min / Max
Weapon Damage Range: 29 34
Lava Lash Hits 37 40
Lava Lash Crits 113 116
Conclusions:
Damage is calculated using the 50% offhand penalty
Given the damage range, its reasonable to assume that Lava Lash crits get a damage bonus from both Elemental Fury AND Melee Crit Bonus (IE 300%)
We need to find out if this is a bug or not!
I took off all of my equipment and bought myself a nice shiny [Jambiya] . The listed damage range was 29-34 damage, according to my character sheet. I only tested this with flametongue enchant and only did a few attacks, but without any gear and procs, there was little need for a large sample size.
Min / Max
Weapon Damage Range: 29 34
Lava Lash Hits 37 40
Lava Lash Crits 113 116
Conclusions:
Damage is calculated using the 50% offhand penalty
Given the damage range, its reasonable to assume that Lava Lash crits get a damage bonus from both Elemental Fury AND Melee Crit Bonus (IE 300%)
We need to find out if this is a bug or not!
Now with Elemental Weapons changed, does the 30% affect only the bonus spelldamage FT gives or the whole spelldamage which FT damage is calculated from?
Hothgor has a point, at the end of the day we need to be able to prove that its possible to match what happens in game in the sim.
Now of course personal ability will come into it, and as long as SOMEONE can do the same dps as the sim, we can have confidence that the sim is accurate. Tukez has put in a fantastic effort to get things right despite Blizzard bugging different things out on each and every build. To my knowledge we haven't yet had a build that actually does what they claim it should.
So with some big assumptions :
The live build does what it says it should, ie: there are no "bugs"/undocumented features AND
Tukez manages to get the sim to the point where it matches what the live says its doing.
IF we can reach that situation then it should be perfectly possible to setup the sim to match exactly your situation in live. Then as Hothgor said it shouldn't make a blind bit of difference if you are soloing on a training dummy or fully raid buffed, as long as you enter the data into the sim exactly as you are setup in game. It should be possible for the best players to accurately match what the sim says.
If the best players exceed the sim dps or come up short on the sim dps then there MUST be something either in game or in the sim that's not behaving correctly. It should never be the case that the sim projects numbers unobtainable by the best players using exactly those stats and buffs in game.
However we are not at that stage yet as there are too many rapid changes and BUGS to accurately match dps. I hope we will get there soon.
Now of course personal ability will come into it, and as long as SOMEONE can do the same dps as the sim, we can have confidence that the sim is accurate. Tukez has put in a fantastic effort to get things right despite Blizzard bugging different things out on each and every build. To my knowledge we haven't yet had a build that actually does what they claim it should.
So with some big assumptions :
The live build does what it says it should, ie: there are no "bugs"/undocumented features AND
Tukez manages to get the sim to the point where it matches what the live says its doing.
IF we can reach that situation then it should be perfectly possible to setup the sim to match exactly your situation in live. Then as Hothgor said it shouldn't make a blind bit of difference if you are soloing on a training dummy or fully raid buffed, as long as you enter the data into the sim exactly as you are setup in game. It should be possible for the best players to accurately match what the sim says.
If the best players exceed the sim dps or come up short on the sim dps then there MUST be something either in game or in the sim that's not behaving correctly. It should never be the case that the sim projects numbers unobtainable by the best players using exactly those stats and buffs in game.
However we are not at that stage yet as there are too many rapid changes and BUGS to accurately match dps. I hope we will get there soon.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Now with Elemental Weapons changed, does the 30% affect only the bonus spelldamage FT gives or the whole spelldamage which FT damage is calculated from?
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Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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[Valorous Cryptstalker Tunic]
[Valorous Earthshatter Hauberk]
[Valorous Earthshatter Chestguard]
Actual this time Blizzard done our set right. It's good. It's even better than hunter t7. Elemental piece is lot worser but set bonus is nice.
Our set have lot of intellect but item level formula give more stat when spreading those that int is actual gain. If count only dps stats and give int value of 1. All other stats/ratings get value of 2 and ap get 1.
Ignoring sockets+bonus. All have the same.
Hunter set get 486points.
Our set get 486points.
Rogue set get 450points.
[Valorous Bonescythe Breastplate]
Actual int is even more valuable but ep numbers at 80lvl is still unsolved.
[Valorous Earthshatter Hauberk]
[Valorous Earthshatter Chestguard]
Actual this time Blizzard done our set right. It's good. It's even better than hunter t7. Elemental piece is lot worser but set bonus is nice.
Our set have lot of intellect but item level formula give more stat when spreading those that int is actual gain. If count only dps stats and give int value of 1. All other stats/ratings get value of 2 and ap get 1.
Ignoring sockets+bonus. All have the same.
Hunter set get 486points.
Our set get 486points.
Rogue set get 450points.
[Valorous Bonescythe Breastplate]
Actual int is even more valuable but ep numbers at 80lvl is still unsolved.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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Originally Posted by Embar
I went down to the servants in Blasted Lands yesterday with my elemental and enhancement sets. Surprisingly, DPSing as enhancement in a full elemental set with dual FT came out pretty close (+- 100dps in my current gear) to DPSing in proper enhancement gear. However, since SS is not showing in logs right now and SS was still bugged when I tested, this is not definitive - I'll try and get some proper logs later, but if I can replicate this consistently it'd be rather odd.
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Tukez am I missing someplace where I should input what level shaman I'm running the sim for? (Which would determine what spell ranks are being used I assume?) I can't find an option for it.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Tukez am I missing someplace where I should input what level shaman I'm running the sim for? (Which would determine what spell ranks are being used I assume?) I can't find an option for it.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Different levels are not done yet. Hold on.
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Hope it's not OT here or if it has been mentioned already, but I have just logged on PTR to check out what did they do with the linked PVP gear (str got just rolled over to AP same as on our tier sets) but I have noticed more important thing. Surefooted enchant is changed to +10 hit +10 crit which is rather imba for us.
Also, seeing how caster items look rather good for us, has anyone tried grabbing 2 elemental tier 6 pieces for the set bonus yet, or is it completely insane thought? I was thinking about chest/shoulders+swp enhancement stuff and head/shoulders+gloves elemental depending on other stuff you have in the slots.
Also, seeing how caster items look rather good for us, has anyone tried grabbing 2 elemental tier 6 pieces for the set bonus yet, or is it completely insane thought? I was thinking about chest/shoulders+swp enhancement stuff and head/shoulders+gloves elemental depending on other stuff you have in the slots.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Gotcha. I'm trying to get EP values for my beta char at 76 and they're producing some sort of wonky values (3.51 EP for crit).
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The lvl 80 version would be fine, all I'm really trying to do is get a list of items from around 76-80 that are actually upgrades on the beta.
Two elemental t6 pieces is good idea but two set bonus is still only spell crit and not combined crit. Shoulders are very good but other parts aren't even close at best slot items. Resto shaman maybe can make elemental 2*set useful.
Elemental set bonus is about 70ep(45*1.15ep + 35*0.5ep) + 15mp5 for us.
Elemental set bonus is about 70ep(45*1.15ep + 35*0.5ep) + 15mp5 for us.
(2) Set: Whenever you have an air totem, an earth totem, a fire totem, and a water totem active at the same time, you gain 15 mana per 5 sec, 35 spell critical strike rating, and 45 spell power.
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Originally Posted by h4rr0d
Hope it's not OT here or if it has been mentioned already, but I have just logged on PTR to check out what did they do with the linked PVP gear (str got just rolled over to AP same as on our tier sets) but I have noticed more important thing. Surefooted enchant is changed to +10 hit +10 crit which is rather imba for us.
Also, seeing how caster items look rather good for us, has anyone tried grabbing 2 elemental tier 6 pieces for the set bonus yet, or is it completely insane thought? I was thinking about chest/shoulders+swp enhancement stuff and head/shoulders+gloves elemental depending on other stuff you have in the slots. |
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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After some interesting testing last night, I decided to test my DPS using ONLY elemental gear on the premade BETA realm. It should be noted initially that I was only able to sustain this for about 5 minutes before going OOM, due primarily to my super low attack power. In a typical raid situation, this would or should not be a problem at all. I used the same macro from the 3 previous tests:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
My Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
My Paper Doll Stats
970 AP
2228 SP
7.59 MHit
1.98 SHit
18.93 MCrit
20.78 SCrit
0 Haste
121 Str
71 Agil
572 Int
The results:
Damage: 675414
DPS: 2251.38
As you can see, this bested my previous best of ~2100 dps with enhancement gear and a MH spell power weapon. Spell Power seems to be THAT good DPS wise, and in my opinion should spark some serious discussion on how exactly we are going to gear ourselves.
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
My Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
My Paper Doll Stats
970 AP
2228 SP
7.59 MHit
1.98 SHit
18.93 MCrit
20.78 SCrit
0 Haste
121 Str
71 Agil
572 Int
The results:
Damage: 675414
DPS: 2251.38
Ability Damage Count % MAX MIN Lava Burst 200233 29 32.7 7358 5672 FT Weapon 172129 380 28.1 Melee 102043 448 16.7 Flame Shock 45623 30 7.4 2590 1068 Lava Lash 37342 44 6.1 1760 381 Earth Shock 32261 14 5.3 4047 1988 FS Dot 22897 48 3.7
Last edited by Hothgor : 09/22/08 at 4:25 PM.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
As you can see, this bested my previous best of ~2100 dps with enhancement gear and a MH spell power weapon. Spell Power seems to be THAT good DPS wise, and in my opinion should spark some serious discussion on how exactly we are going to gear ourselves.
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Edit: I see Malan has started a thread on the topic: WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> Koraa - major issue with Enhancement gear
Last edited by Skiace : 09/21/08 at 4:07 AM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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mh_speed 1.6 oh_speed 1.3 mh_dps 39.0 oh_dps 87.3 mh_crit 28.22 oh_crit 28.22 mh_hit 10.434 oh_hit 10.434 mh_expertise_rating 44 oh_expertise_rating 44 ap 722 haste 11 armor_penetration 0 str 106 agi 99 int 428 spellpower 878 spell_crit 28.860 spell_hit 13.543 base_mana 2678
DPS PPM MPS white 221.87 14.36% 121.65 windfury 0.00 0% 0.00 flametongue 548.53 35.51% 128.69 stormstrike 22.23 1.44% 5.27 17.70 19.58% lava lash 22.68 1.47% 14.71 21.40 23.67% searing totem 186.93 12.1% 0.00 earth shock 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% flame shock 145.75 9.44% 4.59 13.70 15.16% frost shock 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% lava burst 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% lightning bolt 396.81 25.69% 9.30 37.59 41.59% lightning shield 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% misc 0.00 0% 0.00
MPS 90.39
MP2min 10847.07
Full t6 using a Brutal Gladiator Spellpower dagger and that 1.3 speed dagger from Heroic MGT. No enchantments and I do not think I gemmed anything, but I'd have to double check. I also left the Raid Buff and Debuff section completely blank. If this is accurate this build could easily out dps my current Shaman by a good 3 to 400 points, and I'm assuming the sim's dps value is inflated.
Last edited by Urgok : 09/21/08 at 4:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
Appropriate noise needs to be made on the beta forums and through in-game reporting on this topic. We really don't want to end up gearing spell power over attack power in the end.
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Personally I'd love to run around in SP gear, it'd truly make us unique and I wouldn't need to gather a different set if I just wanted to try a different spec for a while.
If I find time I might try to come up with stats for low-quality geared enhancement and elemental shaman sets, so I can check how much the difference is there (to compare scaling)
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EnhSim1.0.3
1.0.3
-Elemental Weapons changed to increase FT's spellpower by 10/20/30%, not the final damage.
-Static Shock now increases LS charges by 2/4/6.
-Madness of the Betrayer changed to increase armor penetration rating by 42.
-Fixed resistance formula. This change should now result in slightly less spell damage.
-Lvl 80 as separate exe, define LVL80 when compiling.
-In EnhSimGui, you need to specify the executable instead of directory.
enhsim - Google Code
I hope I remembered all the level 80 stuff. Sorry about the slow pace of development, I've been busy with school.
Btw, those info box warnings in GUI are not correct with lvl 80.
-Elemental Weapons changed to increase FT's spellpower by 10/20/30%, not the final damage.
-Static Shock now increases LS charges by 2/4/6.
-Madness of the Betrayer changed to increase armor penetration rating by 42.
-Fixed resistance formula. This change should now result in slightly less spell damage.
-Lvl 80 as separate exe, define LVL80 when compiling.
-In EnhSimGui, you need to specify the executable instead of directory.
enhsim - Google Code
I hope I remembered all the level 80 stuff. Sorry about the slow pace of development, I've been busy with school.
Btw, those info box warnings in GUI are not correct with lvl 80.
Last edited by tukez : 09/21/08 at 6:06 AM.
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If you check lootrank and 80lvl loots you will see that elemental gear prbolem is 70lvl stuff not 80lvl. Our t7 is muich better than elemental brothers. It's even better than rogue set. Our ap scaling is ridiculous good. 0.65dps per ap. It's almoust double as good that it is now. I'm not against spell damage weapons becouse those are good. But spell damage gear isn't so hot at 80lvl. You all must remember that ratings value drop almoust half when sim updates to 80lvl. This give ap gear even bigger lead. At 70lvl only spellpower best slot items are [Pendant of Sunfire] and [Loop of Forged Power]. Both these are crafterd so no lootdrama conflicted. I really scare that Blizz fix would only cause nerf to some spell damage component. Our class is fine now.
On the other hand now our best slot items include 6 mail and only 2 leather. All these are pure melee gear.
It's not fair to compare BT and Sunwell items.
First 80lvl ep values. I edited bestDpsBuild.txt config to match reality at started gear. I reduced all ratings and percent from gear. Dps/ap dropped but dps still went little up. Hit > agi > crit > exp. Cap spell hit and stack agi after that.
With these values spellpower gear can't match agi/ap gear.
Ep values at wowhead.(gem hit to spell cap if you use these values.)
On the other hand now our best slot items include 6 mail and only 2 leather. All these are pure melee gear.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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First 80lvl ep values. I edited bestDpsBuild.txt config to match reality at started gear. I reduced all ratings and percent from gear. Dps/ap dropped but dps still went little up. Hit > agi > crit > exp. Cap spell hit and stack agi after that.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 3646.36 ap 1 0.52 3802.02 155.66 crit rating 1.91 0.99 3745.30 98.94 hit rating 2.78 1.44 3790.52 144.16 expertise rating 1.66 0.86 3716.00 69.63 haste rating 1.20 0.63 3771.39 125.03 armor penetration rating 0.52 0.27 3669.51 23.14 spellpower 1.19 0.62 3832.03 185.67 strength 1.10 agility 2.00 intelligence 1.30
Ep values at wowhead.(gem hit to spell cap if you use these values.)
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/21/08 at 7:15 AM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
If you check lootrank and 80lvl loots you will see that elemental gear prbolem is 70lvl stuff not 80lvl. Our t7 is muich better than elemental brothers. It's even better than rogue set. Our ap scaling is ridiculous good. 0.65dps per ap. It's almoust double as good that it is now. I'm not against spell damage weapons becouse those are good. But spell damage gear isn't so hot at 80lvl. You all must remember that ratings value drop almoust half when sim updates to 80lvl. This give ap gear even bigger lead. At 70lvl only spellpower best slot items are [Pendant of Sunfire] and [Loop of Forged Power]. Both these are crafterd so no lootdrama conflicted. I really scare that Blizz fix would only cause nerf to some spell damage component. Our class is fine now.
On the other hand now our best slot items include 6 mail and only 2 leather. All these are pure melee gear. It's not fair to compare BT and Sunwell items. |
EnhSim1.0.6
1.0.6
-Fixed uptime statistics minor bug.
-Removed set bonus Skyshatter Harness. Added set bonuses Skyshatter Harness(2), Skyshatter Harness(4), Skyshatter Regalia(2), Skyshatter Regalia(4), Naxx Melee(2), Naxx Melee(4), Naxx Nuker(2) and Naxx Nuker(4).
-Added trinkets Fury of the Five Flights, Grim Troll, Loatheb's Shadow and Mirror of Truth.
-Fixed GUI bug: GUI wasn't saving/loading the enhsim.exe path correctly.
enhsim - Google Code
4 piece set bonuses include 2 piece set bonus.
Trinkets are modeled like their lvl 70 counterparts.
-Fixed uptime statistics minor bug.
-Removed set bonus Skyshatter Harness. Added set bonuses Skyshatter Harness(2), Skyshatter Harness(4), Skyshatter Regalia(2), Skyshatter Regalia(4), Naxx Melee(2), Naxx Melee(4), Naxx Nuker(2) and Naxx Nuker(4).
-Added trinkets Fury of the Five Flights, Grim Troll, Loatheb's Shadow and Mirror of Truth.
-Fixed GUI bug: GUI wasn't saving/loading the enhsim.exe path correctly.
enhsim - Google Code
4 piece set bonuses include 2 piece set bonus.
Trinkets are modeled like their lvl 70 counterparts.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
On my test, I was comparing level 80 blue Melee gear with level 80 blue spell gear. They clearly do similar damage to each other. Level 80 ep values should be different than level 70 ones, right?
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
You tested without raid buffs. You tested in buggy PTR(this is huge). I tested with optimal condition with sim. You tested couple dozen minute. I runned sim 25000h. Level 70 ep and level 80 ep values is clearly different becouse rating drops. Both values are in this thread. You can easily say if simulator do something wrong. But I can't say how scientific your test was. At 70lvl there wasn't any optimized gear to these mechanic but at 80lvl there is. Those 80lvl ep values what I posted show clearly that melee gear is strictly better at 80lvl. I know those values aren't perfect but those are best we have now. In game testing is good for testing how mechanic work but in game test isn't very good to test dps. In best scenario someone test how mechanic work and then someone add that to sim. Then sim work just like real game but it can produce lot more numbers. If we wanna know how we do good dps we want lot of those numbers. You scored 2200dps in your test but we want to know how to do 4000dps. It's good that there is in-game testers but actual numbers isn't interesting. Maybe if you re-produce least 15minute test with all raid buffs when ptr is stable enough and all our skills work there. Then those numbers can actual tell about gearing for raiding.
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Sim work fine if you turn raid buffs off. But why anyone would be interesting optimize damage at solo content?
Just compare 25-man naxx gear.
Understood?
Edit: Just look those gear pieces. Enhancement War-kilt give only 28spell power less than elemental kilt when you factor talents. If you say that elemental gear do same damage than enhancemen gear then you have to spec full elemental. And if you don't trust sim then you could point what is wrong there?
Just compare 25-man naxx gear.
Valorous Earthshatter War-Kilt 1125 Armor +67 Agility +66 Stamina +66 Intellect Red Socket Yellow Socket Socket Bonus: +9 Stamina Equip: Improves hit rating by 36 (0.97% @ L80). Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 51 (0.98% @ L80). Equip: Increases attack power by 170..
Valorous Earthshatter Kilt 1125 Armor +99 Stamina +77 Intellect Yellow Socket Blue Socket Socket Bonus: +6 Hit Rating Equip: Improves hit rating by 42 (1.13% @ L80). Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 59 (1.13% @ L80). Equip: Increases spell power by 98.
Enhancement gear have: +67agility +170 ap =~304ep
Elemental gear have: +11 int +6 hit +8crit +98 spell power =~161ep
Edit: Just look those gear pieces. Enhancement War-kilt give only 28spell power less than elemental kilt when you factor talents. If you say that elemental gear do same damage than enhancemen gear then you have to spec full elemental. And if you don't trust sim then you could point what is wrong there?
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/21/08 at 7:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Sim work fine if you turn raid buffs off. But why anyone would be interesting optimize damage at solo content?
Just compare 25-man naxx gear. Valorous Earthshatter War-Kilt 1125 Armor +67 Agility +66 Stamina +66 Intellect Red Socket Yellow Socket Socket Bonus: +9 Stamina Equip: Improves hit rating by 36 (0.97% @ L80). Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 51 (0.98% @ L80). Equip: Increases attack power by 170.. Valorous Earthshatter Kilt 1125 Armor +99 Stamina +77 Intellect Yellow Socket Blue Socket Socket Bonus: +6 Hit Rating Equip: Improves hit rating by 42 (1.13% @ L80). Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 59 (1.13% @ L80). Equip: Increases spell power by 98. Enhancement gear have: +67agility +170 ap =~304ep Elemental gear have: +11 int +6 hit +8crit +98 spell power =~161ep |
Understood?
You are both arguing different points.
Hothgor is making a very simple point : He sets up the sim to match his gear and buffs and does some tests. He runs the sim WHICH EXACTLY MATCHES HIS TEST, he gets 2200 dps say and the sim says 3200 dps. Now one of two things is happening here. The sim doesn't match the game, and he's uncovered a bug, or Hothgor sucks at Enh Shammy dps.
Either way the point he is making is very very simple. It is possible to setup the sim to simulate your exact setup and predict your dps, if you are getting substantially more or less dps in game then that suggests the sim is NOT modelling the game and needs attention.
Pitbuller's point is entirely different, he is looking to see the extreme min max effects to see what the sim can tell us about the nature of the changes Blizzard are implementing and how that points towards gear selection, gemming, glyphing, enchanting etc to maximise our dps.
BOTH arguments are equally valid. I personally favour Hothgor's approach at present for one extremely simple reason, if the sim can't accurately match what you can do in game then its internal coding is fundamentally flawed, Assuming ofc that you set up completely matching variables and follow exactly the rotation/priority you enter into the sim.
We must be able to match game values to sim values if we can't the sim won't scale and will be useless at end game raiding. ie: You need to prove its got the basics right before you stress test it with ultimate min/maxing.
PS. I have faith in Tukez & the community to be able to make the sim work. However we must be able to prove it works and its not just some hypothetical unobtainable numbers its spitting out.
Hothgor is making a very simple point : He sets up the sim to match his gear and buffs and does some tests. He runs the sim WHICH EXACTLY MATCHES HIS TEST, he gets 2200 dps say and the sim says 3200 dps. Now one of two things is happening here. The sim doesn't match the game, and he's uncovered a bug, or Hothgor sucks at Enh Shammy dps.
Either way the point he is making is very very simple. It is possible to setup the sim to simulate your exact setup and predict your dps, if you are getting substantially more or less dps in game then that suggests the sim is NOT modelling the game and needs attention.
Pitbuller's point is entirely different, he is looking to see the extreme min max effects to see what the sim can tell us about the nature of the changes Blizzard are implementing and how that points towards gear selection, gemming, glyphing, enchanting etc to maximise our dps.
BOTH arguments are equally valid. I personally favour Hothgor's approach at present for one extremely simple reason, if the sim can't accurately match what you can do in game then its internal coding is fundamentally flawed, Assuming ofc that you set up completely matching variables and follow exactly the rotation/priority you enter into the sim.
We must be able to match game values to sim values if we can't the sim won't scale and will be useless at end game raiding. ie: You need to prove its got the basics right before you stress test it with ultimate min/maxing.
PS. I have faith in Tukez & the community to be able to make the sim work. However we must be able to prove it works and its not just some hypothetical unobtainable numbers its spitting out.
This is something that will have to be checked once the build stabilizes to make sure the Sim is reporting real data, that said at this stage of the game you really can't expect that much accuracy. Stormstrike isn't reporting in Combatlogs or on damage meters (and for parses it shows as belonging to nil) and that's just the tip of the iceberg in regards to what isn't currently working as intended in the Beta/PTR.
Also don't forget that we are a very bursty class, very RNG oriented. That's why we run the sims for as many hours as we do, because Windfury procs can vary greatly. Also until you are spell hit capped that can have a huge effect on what the meters will show and even if you are capped that normally will mean your crit will be low which means less procs, etc.
If the sim can get within +/- 10% of the value of a Beta test run on a targeting dummy with as many variables accounted for as possible then it will have proven itself reliable in my book. But we are still quite a ways away from having a stable enough mechanics for a test like that.
Also don't forget that we are a very bursty class, very RNG oriented. That's why we run the sims for as many hours as we do, because Windfury procs can vary greatly. Also until you are spell hit capped that can have a huge effect on what the meters will show and even if you are capped that normally will mean your crit will be low which means less procs, etc.
If the sim can get within +/- 10% of the value of a Beta test run on a targeting dummy with as many variables accounted for as possible then it will have proven itself reliable in my book. But we are still quite a ways away from having a stable enough mechanics for a test like that.
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Originally Posted by Levva
You are both arguing different points.
Hothgor is making a very simple point : He sets up the sim to match his gear and buffs and does some tests. He runs the sim WHICH EXACTLY MATCHES HIS TEST, he gets 2200 dps say and the sim says 3200 dps. Now one of two things is happening here. The sim doesn't match the game, and he's uncovered a bug, or Hothgor sucks at Enh Shammy dps. BOTH arguments are equally valid. I personally favour Hothgor's approach at present for one extremely simple reason, if the sim can't accurately match what you can do in game then its internal coding is fundamentally flawed, Assuming ofc that you set up completely matching variables and follow exactly the rotation/priority you enter into the sim. We must be able to match game values to sim values if we can't the sim won't scale and will be useless at end game raiding. ie: You need to prove its got the basics right before you stress test it with ultimate min/maxing. |
Currently, it looks like hothgor has posted a series of findings made from tests on a very bugged & nebulous server. The shear fact that there are so many bugs (such as WF not working) will in most cases invalidate all findings due to inaccurate data collection. Yes his data might be accurate now but it has no real use for the future when the bugs are fixed.
You cannot make a comparison between two setups when only one of those are functional.
The other thing to remember is that you CANNOT compare the current (broken) server (with broken mechanics) to a "theoretically correct" simulation. There is NO comparison possible at the moment. They are both working on two different mechanics & basis. It is akin to a druid plugging their numbers into a priest simulator because they are both healers.
Personal Server testing will become important in the future. When the server is stable & has all the major bugs fixed, live testing with dummies will become necessary to validate the simulations. Until that stage live tests are largely a meaningless statistic as they will change each bug fix.
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Originally Posted by darkhorse
I have been looking through Hothgor's posts & can't find any where he actually gives the results of a simulation. All I could find was his postings about his results of his personal beta tests? If you could point it out to me that would be good because it does change the entire equation.
Currently, it looks like hothgor has posted a series of findings made from tests on a very bugged & nebulous server. The shear fact that there are so many bugs (such as WF not working) will in most cases invalidate all findings due to inaccurate data collection. Yes his data might be accurate now but it has no real use for the future when the bugs are fixed. You cannot make a comparison between two setups when only one of those are functional. The other thing to remember is that you CANNOT compare the current (broken) server (with broken mechanics) to a "theoretically correct" simulation. There is NO comparison possible at the moment. They are both working on two different mechanics & basis. It is akin to a druid plugging their numbers into a priest simulator because they are both healers. Personal Server testing will become important in the future. When the server is stable & has all the major bugs fixed, live testing with dummies will become necessary to validate the simulations. Until that stage live tests are largely a meaningless statistic as they will change each bug fix. |
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
You actually don't know what you are talking about. My testing is showing what different weapon/enchant combination's do in actual testing situation. The only bugs on the BETA realm have to do with Stormstrike and WF weapon. Only the higher ranks of WF weapon are currently bugged on the BETA server. And it's well known that SS does roughly 10% of our damage even on live. The simulator itself indicates that FT/FT weapon enchants do very similar damage (less than ~1% overall) to WF/WF or WF/FT enchants. Its miss leading to say that you can not test these abilities under the current circumstances!
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In fact if you look at it further of course your current tests are going to lean towards spell dmg. Two of your biggest Melee attacks (Stormstrike & WF) are broken. Thus the melee component is smaller & the tests become skewed towards the spell dmg side. It is an unbalanced test.
Real life testing will become necessary when the bugs are fixed. Until that time however all anyone who professes "actual beta testing" is presenting data that is unreliable & flawed.
But you have already shown that others can't convince you, so I don't have any expectations that what I say will change your mind.
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Originally Posted by darkhorse
That is my point. What they are doing is currently meaning less until blizzard fixes the bugs. Until all the bugs have been fixed there is no way to say what is empirically better because you admit that you can't test all the options.
In fact if you look at it further of course your current tests are going to lean towards spell dmg. Two of your biggest Melee attacks (Stormstrike & WF) are broken. Thus the melee component is smaller & the tests become skewed towards the spell dmg side. It is an unbalanced test. Real life testing will become necessary when the bugs are fixed. Until that time however all anyone who professes "actual beta testing" is presenting data that is unreliable & flawed. But you have already shown that others can't convince you, so I don't have any expectations that what I say will change your mind. |
WF/WF with the max rank WF spell is doing within ~1% damage as someone using FT/FT setup. We don't need to discuss WF here because it wont have any bearing on the test except for in the OPPOSITE direction of what you are getting at. If i were to use max rank WF/WF, my hits per 8 seconds would go up dramatically. I would be getting far MORE MW procs, meaning my spell damage portion would go up.
Lets say that for right now, I'm doing ~20% damage with FT/FT and 31% with LvB. If I were to use WF/WF, It would STILL do ~20% of damage with WF attacks, but 33-34% with LvB. See how that works? The missing SS damage IS a problem. However, it will be adding the same damage to all my different tests because I am always casting 1 SS every 9 seconds with the rotation that I am using. With it well known to do ~10% of total DPS, I can get a reasonable approximation of total DPS. However, Searing Totem is ALSO doing ~10% of my total DPS, and I haven't even been INCLUDING these two categories in my test deliberately!!!
The sad thing is, you don't even know why I'm posting these tests! If you were to read the exchanges between myself and Tukez, you would see that I am helping him to iron out the kinks in the program by giving him real world data on Lava Lash mechanics and other aspects. I'd hardly consider that 'worthless'.
And guess what! With all the information punched into the simulator as it is, its giving me a very close approximation to the damage that I am doing on Beta!
Tukez, some problems!
Lava Lash is doing way more damage on BETA than your simulator is indicating. Lava Burst has also been doing ~40% more damage than the simulator seems to be indicating. Is it possible you dont have the correct base spell damage range and damage coefficient in place? Searing totem has done ~240 dps in all 25 test I conducted tonight, but the simulator seems to believe it should be doing 300 or so. SS also seems to be a tad low, but this may be due to the fact that I'm using a spell damage weapon for the MH instead of a beefy melee dps weapon :P
Last edited by Hothgor : 09/22/08 at 6:41 AM.
Thank you for testing lava lash. And I am saying that honestly. That is a section of our code that does work correctly so all testing of that component is totally valid.
You can defiantly test the sub components that work for validation & I do thank you for taking the initiative for helping get the lava lash section fully.
My point was the overall data is skewed when any one sub-component is broken. But this is enough back and forth
You can defiantly test the sub components that work for validation & I do thank you for taking the initiative for helping get the lava lash section fully.
My point was the overall data is skewed when any one sub-component is broken. But this is enough back and forth
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Tukez, some problems!
Lava Lash is doing way more damage on BETA than your simulator is indicating. Lava Burst has also been doing ~40% more damage than the simulator seems to be indicating. Is it possible you dont have the correct base spell damage range and damage coefficient in place? Searing totem has done ~240 dps in all 25 test I conducted tonight, but the simulator seems to believe it should be doing 300 or so. SS also seems to be a tad low, but this may be due to the fact that I'm using a spell damage weapon for the MH instead of a beefy melee dps weapon :P |
In the sim, LL is 100% or 125% off hand damage. 50% off hand penatly is applied. It works like a melee attack, but with fire damage. That means, it can miss, dodge, crit and hit. It can be partially resisted, but not fully. Critical strike damage is with melee multiplier...200% or 206%(with RED). Damage is affected by fire damage debuffs.
Make sure you are using the level 80 version of the sim.
LvB coef 57.14%
Lvb base dmg 1230
Searing coef per tick 16.8%
Searing base dmg 90
At the moment it's also getting the bonus crit from Elemental Fury though, not sure yet if that's working as intended or a bug.
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Originally Posted by Stopokingme
At the moment it's also getting the bonus crit from Elemental Fury though, not sure yet if that's working as intended or a bug.
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Searing totem use 2.2s cast. But it act like Npc. Npc cast seems lag some unknow time. This thing aply also warlock imp and mage water elemental. Unkown part is also is this lag caused by server lag or new beta mechanic or something what is also in live. So more testing needed. How often searing totem actual fire bolts?
I think you should include [Totem of Ancestral Guidance], [Skycall Totem], [Totem of the Void] and [The Skull of Gul'dan] in the sim as they seem to get useful with MW I think.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Are you able to tell me what is the crit bonus with and without Elemental Fury?
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I made config file for 80lvl. Including all raid buffs/debuffs with updated values. Boss armor updated to 10850(same value that boss level test dummy). I used spec what give most damage with current values. Correct if something is wrong here. Stats are just educated guess what those should look when we start raiding at 80lvl. Weapons are epic item 200lvl crafted/pvp/pve. Trinkets are from 70lvl we just don't have any good data about new trinkets.
Some help needed about these:
-Base mana?(Naked mana minus naked int mana value)
-Base strenght?
-Boss armor value range?
This config yield 4179dps but I guess armor value is too low.
Some help needed about these:
-Base mana?(Naked mana minus naked int mana value)
-Base strenght?
-Boss armor value range?
This config yield 4179dps but I guess armor value is too low.
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 100 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_penetration_rating 85 ep_spellpower 300 mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 20.0 oh_crit 20.0 mh_hit 8.0 oh_hit 8.0 mh_expertise_rating 50 oh_expertise_rating 50 ap 2500 haste 0 armor_penetration 0 str 150 agi 500 int 500 spellpower 750 spell_crit 15 spell_hit 10.00 base_mana 2678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 berserkers_call trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 - glyph_major2 - glyph_major3 - glyph_major4 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 fs rotation_priority2 mw_lvb rotation_priority3 mw_lb rotation_priority4 ss rotation_priority5 ll rotation_priority6 es rotation_priority7 ls miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 1/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item drums_of_battle
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
I used spec what give most damage with current values.
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Tukez - can you perhaps give an option to begin combat with a FS- LvB combo? I've been doing this while soloing and its noticeably different when you begin combat with Elemental Devastation up.
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Originally Posted by Malan
I'm curious - did you run the numbers to see that 1% Int is worth more than 5% Lightning Shield damage?
Tukez - can you perhaps give an option to begin combat with a FS- LvB combo? I've been doing this while soloing and its noticeably different when you begin combat with Elemental Devastation up. |
+5% lighning shield damage hould be 123dps * 0.05 = 6.15dps.
2% more intellect with [500(base+gear) + 60(int buff) + 30(elixir) + 52(motw)] * 1.1kings = 706int
0.02 * 706 = 14 int.
Int ep value is about 1.33ep and dps/ep value is about 0.53dps/ap.
So 2% int is 14*1.33*0.53 =~ 10dps gain.
But somehow sim give only 2dps gain. Tukez can you check why Ancestral knowledge isn't working right.(this is new problem last time I checked it worked)
Bad news is that our t7 2set bonus is worth of ~12dps.
2% more intellect with [500(base+gear) + 60(int buff) + 30(elixir) + 52(motw)] * 1.1kings = 706int
0.02 * 706 = 14 int.
Int ep value is about 1.33ep and dps/ep value is about 0.53dps/ap.
So 2% int is 14*1.33*0.53 =~ 10dps gain.
But somehow sim give only 2dps gain. Tukez can you check why Ancestral knowledge isn't working right.(this is new problem last time I checked it worked)
Bad news is that our t7 2set bonus is worth of ~12dps.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
2% more intellect
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Originally Posted by tukez
Or are you trying to optimize your leveling?
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Originally Posted by tukez
Are you able to tell me what is the crit bonus with and without Elemental Fury?
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250% with Elemental Fury and 200% without.
There are no spell partials for Lava Lash, it can have glancing hits if used with a weapon skill that isn't capped but it uses the melee mechanic not the spell one.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
250% with Elemental Fury and 200% without.
There are no spell partials for Lava Lash, it can have glancing hits if used with a weapon skill that isn't capped but it uses the melee mechanic not the spell one. |
Are you sure about, that there are no partial resists? And I thought glancing hits can happen with white damage only.
Ancestral Knowledge Rank 1 Increases your intellect by 2%.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
+5% lighning shield damage hould be 123dps * 0.05 = 6.15dps.
2% more intellect with [500(base+gear) + 60(int buff) + 30(elixir) + 52(motw)] * 1.1kings = 706int 0.02 * 706 = 14 int. Int ep value is about 1.33ep and dps/ep value is about 0.53dps/ap. So 2% int is 14*1.33*0.53 =~ 10dps gain. But somehow sim give only 2dps gain. Tukez can you check why Ancestral knowledge isn't working right.(this is new problem last time I checked it worked) Bad news is that our t7 2set bonus is worth of ~12dps. |
Well I don't know how you did the test, but I wasn't able to get 10dps gain. Dps gain was under 6dps. Maybe the EP values you have don't match with so little changes. You might want to try to calculate EP values again with lower ranges.
Then someone might think, that why do you need to input Ancestral Knowledge at all? Ep value calculation needs it. Also if you get 100 int temporary buff(trinket), with full AK, you actually get 110 int.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
 Ancestral Knowledge Rank 1 Increases your intellect by 2%. |
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Originally Posted by tukez
Might be, that you are doing it wrong. If you increase Ancestral Knowledge, you also have to increase intelligence and spell crit. I know in these cases, it is kind of annoying, but it is consistent with other inputs. In the sim you always input what you see in your char sheet.
Well I don't know how you did the test, but I wasn't able to get 10dps gain. Dps gain was under 6dps. Maybe the EP values you have don't match with so little changes. You might want to try to calculate EP values again with lower ranges. Then someone might think, that why do you need to input Ancestral Knowledge at all? Ep value calculation needs it. Also if you get 100 int temporary buff(trinket), with full AK, you actually get 110 int. |
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Is it possible you dont have the correct base spell damage range and damage coefficient in place? Searing totem has done ~240 dps in all 25 test I conducted tonight, but the simulator seems to believe it should be doing 300 or so. SS also seems to be a tad low, but this may be due to the fact that I'm using a spell damage weapon for the MH instead of a beefy melee dps weapon :P
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Searing Totem, Imps, Water Elemental have a significant delay in between casts.
Ballpark 400ms.
Attack - Spell - World of Warcraft, ideally it should be 2.2s between casts, it will be around 2.6/2.7s however.
Best test would be Blasted Lands. Drop a totem, wait until it expires, drop again, etc
Do that a few times, check the amount of shots/casts and you have a good average.
It's definately not just a beta thing, it happens and always has happened on live as well.
What kind of DPS increase should I be seeing with this sim at 70 compared to Yo!'s? According to the sims my DPS would be going from around 1200 to somewhere close to 2000 with the same gear and about the same buffs, which means that everything's still even gemmed/enchanted with STR. I picked the stats for this sim on the beta server, so they should all be right. Am I doing something horribly wrong here or is the DPS increase just from new talents/mechanics/skills really going to be that huge?
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Originally Posted by tukez
250% and 200% don't make any sense. 100% more crit damage with physical means 300% damage. That would also make sense with 4/5 EF giving 280%.
Are you sure about, that there are no partial resists? And I thought glancing hits can happen with white damage only. |
Everything I have tested indicates its currently 300% crits with 5/5 EF.
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A question was asked on the main thread Enhancement WotLK Talents and spells discussion. that may have effects on the sim. Can you confirm the sim applies the spellpower boost to instant casts only?
Edit : DOH!!! I'll blame the early hour of the morning for not noticing this was crap.
Edit : DOH!!! I'll blame the early hour of the morning for not noticing this was crap.
Last edited by Levva : 09/23/08 at 7:10 AM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
A question was asked on the main thread Enhancement WotLK Talents and spells discussion. that may have effects on the sim. Can you confirm the sim applies the spellpower boost to instant casts only?
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That person was an idiot who couldn't read a tooltip properly, Mental Quickness reduces the mana cost of your Instant cast spells by 6% AND increases your spellpower by 30% of your AP.
Last edited by Rouncer : 09/23/08 at 12:46 AM.
Bug: Double Flametongue Weapon Enchants aren't giving 4% spell crit, only 2%.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Bug: Double Flametongue Weapon Enchants aren't giving 4% spell crit, only 2%.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Bug: Double Flametongue Weapon Enchants aren't giving 4% spell crit, only 2%.
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Originally Posted by Bargle
There's nothing to say whether this is a bug, oversight, or working as intended. The glyph merely reads, "Increases spell critical strike chance by 2% while Flametongue Weapon is active." It says nothing about 2% *per* active flametongue enchant.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Except the paper doll on BETA clearly shows me having 4% extra crit with double FT enchanted, not 2%.
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Mine shows +2% with 1 FT, and +4% with 2 FT's.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Except the paper doll on BETA clearly shows me having 4% extra crit with double FT enchanted, not 2%.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Could just be a display bug, FT is bugged out on the char tab anyways and makes your spell damage stack up when you equip weapons, but its just a display bug.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
. There would be no reason for it to NOT give us 4% spell crit with 2 enchants after all.
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I thought there was a discussion about flame shock & stormstrike, but I can't seem to find it... however after checking for my own curiosity:
- Flame Shock initial hit gets the boost from the SS debuff if it is up (and consumes a charge)
- if SS debuff is up when Flame Shock dot ticks, the dot gets +20% damage, but does not consume a charge
So if you flame shock, then SS, the ticks after will get the boost, and if it wears off during the flame shock (and isn't refreshed) the remaining tics don't get the boost.
- Flame Shock initial hit gets the boost from the SS debuff if it is up (and consumes a charge)
- if SS debuff is up when Flame Shock dot ticks, the dot gets +20% damage, but does not consume a charge
So if you flame shock, then SS, the ticks after will get the boost, and if it wears off during the flame shock (and isn't refreshed) the remaining tics don't get the boost.
EnhSim1.1.1
1.1.1
-Fixed LB coef to 71.43%.
-Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s.
-The Skull of Gul'dan trinket added.
-Added totems Totem of Ancestral Guidance, Totem of Splintering, Totem of the Void and Skycall Totem.
-With Flametongue Glyph and dual FT, you now get 4% spell crit.
-Chain Lightning added.
-Stats with zero value are not printed.
-Elemental Fury changed to affect Lava Lash.
-Lava Lash and Lightning Shield changed to consume and gain benefit from Stormstrike debuff.
enhsim - Google Code
Forgot to add that I changed Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.
-Fixed LB coef to 71.43%.
-Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s.
-The Skull of Gul'dan trinket added.
-Added totems Totem of Ancestral Guidance, Totem of Splintering, Totem of the Void and Skycall Totem.
-With Flametongue Glyph and dual FT, you now get 4% spell crit.
-Chain Lightning added.
-Stats with zero value are not printed.
-Elemental Fury changed to affect Lava Lash.
-Lava Lash and Lightning Shield changed to consume and gain benefit from Stormstrike debuff.
enhsim - Google Code
Forgot to add that I changed Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Forgot to add that I changed Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.
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I think these are wrong. Can someone confirm.
- Lightning Shield changed to consume and gain benefit from Stormstrike debuff.
- Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.
Also "Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s." This is right but NPc do not chain cast and right interval then bumbep up to 2.5-2.6s
- Lightning Shield changed to consume and gain benefit from Stormstrike debuff.
- Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.
Also "Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s." This is right but NPc do not chain cast and right interval then bumbep up to 2.5-2.6s
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Originally Posted by Malan
They do not consume the debuff. Only the DD does.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Yes...or you mean it doesn't get the benefit at all?
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Also "Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s." This is right but NPc do not chain cast and right interval then bumbep up to 2.5-2.6s
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Just tested this on the PTR.
Flameshock DoTs benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges.
Lightning Shield charges benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges.
Flameshock DoTs benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges.
Lightning Shield charges benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges.
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Originally Posted by Sorry
Just tested this on the PTR.
Flameshock DoTs benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges. |
Well that's odd. Oh well, can't complain about that I guess.
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Originally Posted by Malan
 Well that's odd. Oh well, can't complain about that I guess. |
In the future could you add some kind of scrolling ability to the gui? I can see only the half of it on a 17" monitor in 1024*768. The parts that are right from the half of buff column aren't visible in any way in this resolution.
How about those static shock charges. Blues say that those don't eat charges but do they still get benefit like flame shock dot.
EnhSim1.1.2
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Originally Posted by Aximous
In the future could you add some kind of scrolling ability to the gui? I can see only the half of it on a 17" monitor in 1024*768. The parts that are right from the half of buff column aren't visible in any way in this resolution.
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-Fixed Searing totem interval to 2.55s.
-Lightning Shield changed not to consume SS debuff, but still gain the benefit.
enhsim - Google Code
Now when you maximize the window, you'll get scroll bar.
Great, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Well that's odd. Oh well, can't complain about that I guess. |
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Last edited by Rouncer : 09/24/08 at 1:32 PM.
When you run ep values. How do you do it?
You must edit start_ep_calculation file or else it's run wrong 70lvl exe file.
I bet you Rounced get too low spell damage ep value becouse of that.
80lvl ep values.
Notes: Expertice don't seem so important anymore. Int seems to be ok. Haste value is low but armor penetration flat out suck.
Damage values and breakdown:
Notes: Spell damage overcomes melee damage very early stages of gear.
Config: Almoust same that I have posted in this thread before. Normally I cap spell hit but If I do it when running ep values but then people just don't understand how high value hit have. I used Wf and SS glyphs.
You can get couple more dps if you get more comlex rotation but those are too hard to do at in-game.
Config:
If you see some fancy about config say so becouse this is next base config file.
You must edit start_ep_calculation file or else it's run wrong 70lvl exe file.
enhsim_lvl80.exe config.txt ep
80lvl ep values.
D:\Sim2>enhsim_lvl80.exe 80.txt ep EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4274.80 ap 1 0.54 4435.37 160.57 crit rating 2.09 1.12 4386.43 111.63 hit rating 3.10 1.66 4399.17 124.37 expertise rating 1.85 0.99 4354.81 80.01 haste rating 1.39 0.74 4423.17 148.37 armor penetration rating 0.68 0.36 4305.76 30.96 spellpower 1.26 0.68 4477.63 202.83 strength 1.10 agility 2.07 intelligence 1.34 elapsed simulation time: 90000.00h
Damage values and breakdown:
DPS PPM MPS white 1183.41 27.68% 109.30 windfury 498.98 11.67% 5.90 flametongue 442.84 10.36% 71.55 stormstrike 201.13 4.7% 6.69 22.46 25.44% lava lash 123.99 2.9% 8.38 9.62 10.89% searing totem 255.69 5.98% 0.00 earth shock 170.63 3.99% 3.17 11.69 13.24% flame shock 264.45 6.19% 5.83 6.77 7.67% lava burst 616.51 14.42% 5.35 20.28 22.97% lightning bolt 352.62 8.25% 5.05 17.48 19.79% lightning shield 165.22 3.86% 0.83 0.00 0.00% DPS 4275.48
Config: Almoust same that I have posted in this thread before. Normally I cap spell hit but If I do it when running ep values but then people just don't understand how high value hit have. I used Wf and SS glyphs.
You can get couple more dps if you get more comlex rotation but those are too hard to do at in-game.
Config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 75 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_penetration_rating 85 ep_spellpower 300 mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 20.0 oh_crit 20.0 mh_hit 8.0 oh_hit 8.0 mh_expertise_rating 50 oh_expertise_rating 50 ap 2500 haste 0 armor_penetration 0 str 150 agi 500 int 50 spellpower 750 spell_crit 15 spell_hit 11 base_mana 2678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 berserkers_call trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 - glyph_major4 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 fs rotation_priority2 mw_lvb rotation_priority3 mw_lb rotation_priority4 ss rotation_priority5 es rotation_priority6 ls rotation_priority7 ll miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 1/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item drums_of_battle
Few things.
1. How do you have 11% spell hit but only 8% melee hit? Especially since Dual Wield Spec gives 6% melee hit. Change it to 10% spell hit and 14% melee hit. (since 10% spell hit is equal to 8% melee hit). If it's because Dual Wield spec doesn't show on the paper doll then just reduce the Spell hit to 10% so that it is equal to the Melee Hit.
2. Your crit percentages are a bit off. Raise the Intellect to 166 and then they are fine, since 500 Agi gives 6% melee crit + 5% for Thundering Strikes = 9% from crit rating. Then Spell crit would be 9% from gear + 5% from Thundering Strikes + 1% from the 166 Intellect.
3. As for the ep values wouldn't it make more sense for them to be worked on a 1% basis? Something like:
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 33
ep_haste_rating 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 38
That way all the ratings are worth a 1% change in value and the AP and Spellpower are an equal ilevel budget to those ratings values. By using that as the stepping stone between values shouldn't the results be more accurate?
1. How do you have 11% spell hit but only 8% melee hit? Especially since Dual Wield Spec gives 6% melee hit. Change it to 10% spell hit and 14% melee hit. (since 10% spell hit is equal to 8% melee hit). If it's because Dual Wield spec doesn't show on the paper doll then just reduce the Spell hit to 10% so that it is equal to the Melee Hit.
2. Your crit percentages are a bit off. Raise the Intellect to 166 and then they are fine, since 500 Agi gives 6% melee crit + 5% for Thundering Strikes = 9% from crit rating. Then Spell crit would be 9% from gear + 5% from Thundering Strikes + 1% from the 166 Intellect.
3. As for the ep values wouldn't it make more sense for them to be worked on a 1% basis? Something like:
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 33
ep_haste_rating 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 38
That way all the ratings are worth a 1% change in value and the AP and Spellpower are an equal ilevel budget to those ratings values. By using that as the stepping stone between values shouldn't the results be more accurate?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Few things.
1. How do you have 11% spell hit but only 8% melee hit? Especially since Dual Wield Spec gives 6% melee hit. Change it to 10% spell hit and 14% melee hit. (since 10% spell hit is equal to 8% melee hit). If it's because Dual Wield spec doesn't show on the paper doll then just reduce the Spell hit to 10% so that it is equal to the Melee Hit. 2. Your crit percentages are a bit off. Raise the Intellect to 166 and then they are fine, since 500 Agi gives 6% melee crit + 5% for Thundering Strikes = 9% from crit rating. Then Spell crit would be 9% from gear + 5% from Thundering Strikes + 1% from the 166 Intellect. 3. As for the ep values wouldn't it make more sense for them to be worked on a 1% basis? Something like: ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 33 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 38 That way all the ratings are worth a 1% change in value and the AP and Spellpower are an equal ilevel budget to those ratings values. By using that as the stepping stone between values shouldn't the results be more accurate? |
Spell hit should be 10%.(dw spec don't show at paper doll)
Intellect should be something higher. 166 sound pretty good.
Ep ranges was high when I tested with lower simulated times. Your values look pretty much better.
I edited config and sended it to Tukez.
Since we now know that double FT enchants gives us 4% spell crit with the glyph, would WF glyph give +80% to the WF attack power bonus when double enchanted?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Few things.
1. How do you have 11% spell hit but only 8% melee hit? |
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Originally Posted by Malan
It takes less hit rating to get 1% spell hit than it does for melee hit. My paperdoll values show that I have more spell hit than I do melee hit. (not counting talents)
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
Since we now know that double FT enchants gives us 4% spell crit with the glyph, would WF glyph give +80% to the WF attack power bonus when double enchanted?
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Anyone got a Windfury Glyph on Lich King so I can test that out?
Any chance that you would be so kind as to add Mp5 into the simulator. I'd like to come up with a build and a rotation for the 3.0 launch and I've been running into fairly unrealistic mana usage, 10 to 12k every two minutes, and I'd just like to compare Mp5 to Int in an objective way.
FT is overperforming on the sim. The simulator is showing FT is hitting on every swing that an enhance uses but that's not true if you are using FT/FT. Go on a live shaman, use FT/FT and count the number of hits versus the number of FT procs. They aren't the same. Stormstrike will often record only one FT even though you hit twice. I was testing FT theory back when the Lightning capacitor didn't have a cooldown and noted at the time that FT/FT didn't proc as often as it should.
The more interesting thing is that with Stormstrike having 4 debuffs with an 8 sec cooldown, there is almost always a debuff on the target. This essentially means FT is scaling better than Blizzard intended.
I have a question for my own research. Static Shock scaling is what I'm looking at. What damage effects don't trigger this? For example, can a static charge discharge cause a second?
The more interesting thing is that with Stormstrike having 4 debuffs with an 8 sec cooldown, there is almost always a debuff on the target. This essentially means FT is scaling better than Blizzard intended.
I have a question for my own research. Static Shock scaling is what I'm looking at. What damage effects don't trigger this? For example, can a static charge discharge cause a second?
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Originally Posted by Orlgin
FT is overperforming on the sim. The simulator is showing FT is hitting on every swing that an enhance uses but that's not true if you are using FT/FT. Go on a live shaman, use FT/FT and count the number of hits versus the number of FT procs. They aren't the same. Stormstrike will often record only one FT even though you hit twice. I was testing FT theory back when the Lightning capacitor didn't have a cooldown and noted at the time that FT/FT didn't proc as often as it should.
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2.5/2.5 (136.7dps) - # melee hits == # flametongue procs (100%)
1.4/1.4 (157.7dps) - # melee hits == # flametongue procs (100%)
2.5/1.4 (137.4dps) - # melee hits =/= # flametongue procs (90.8%)
1.4/2.5 (138.0dps) - # melee hits =/= # flametongue procs (91.4%)
No matter how much haste i introduced (flurry/WFT/DST/BL), equal speed weapons nicely procced every possible flametongue. It's only when swings overlap either due to different speeds, when you are parrying attacks or whenever you hit /startattack before you are in range, that flametongue procs seem to get lost.
So what's the cause of these lost flametongue procs? Is it latency? Since there is some delay between the weapon hit and the proc some may be wiped from the queue? Or like Windfury Weapon maybe there is some small hidden cooldown to prevent chain proccing, seems likely.
Like already said, FT interaction with SS only gives one proc, if dual enchanted the mainhand proc seems to put the offhand proc on cooldown.
Funnily enough two different ranks of FT do yield both procs on a SS (sounds familiar to the windfury issue we had in TBC
) Whatever fix they made to prevent chainproccing they forgot to include cross ranking. Even looking a bit further and checking out Frostbrand shows even more how big of a mess the coding of weapon imbues is. There seems to be 3 checks for a FB proc on a SS (debuff/mh/oh) resulting in triple procs quite often when dual enchanted.All in all we can honestly say that the weapon imbue system is a mess and Blizzard never really bothered to recode it to properly behave with dualwielding. Band-aid fixes to prevent abuse of messy mechanics is all what we have seen.
I'm fairly sure this is why Blizzard is hinting us to use two different imbues in Wotlk, WF/FT will be the combination for lvl80 trust me. They won't remove the choice to dw same imbues no, but they won't bother to recode them either.
Edit: A quick test on blasted land mobs, using two different ranks of flametongue indeed shows that there are no lost procs compared to the ~20% lost using same ranks due to overlapping swings. So i think we can honestly say that there seems to be a small cooldown on the proc.
Last edited by Naibot : 09/25/08 at 9:24 AM.
Chaotic and relentless metagems aren't seem to be having the same effect. Without changing stats I got 30dps difference just by changing the metagems.
Relentless:
Chaoitc:
Relentless:
white 1091.21 windfury 641.97 stormstrike 215.37 lava lash 105.57 searing totem 131.32 earth shock 130.39 flame shock 154.92 lightning bolt 472.57 lightning shield 88.71 DPS 3032.04 MPS 127.80 MP2min 15335.89 elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 24.87s simulation speed: 1447701x
white 1065.22 windfury 629.10 stormstrike 210.92 lava lash 105.57 searing totem 133.30 earth shock 132.41 flame shock 156.02 lightning bolt 479.75 lightning shield 88.71 DPS 3001.00 MPS 127.82 MP2min 15338.21 elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 25.19s simulation speed: 1429081x
Ghostcrawler posted today stating that it is unintended for multiple weapon enchants to give us double the glyph bonus. For example, 2 FT weapon enchants were giving us 4% spell crit, and 2 WF enchants were giving us 96% bonus attack power. It's only supposed to get the benefit once, not twice. Please update the simulator accordingly if needed!
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Pitbuller, I have a new set of stats for you to use as a baseline for the Sim.
They are based off a level 80 Tauren Shaman wearing
-5 piece Naxx 10 man Enhance armor
-3 piece SWP-T6 armor
-new PvP melee cloak
-2x Naxx 10 man melee rings
-Madness of the Betrayer and Shard of Contempt
-Supremus Neck
-2x ilevel 200 PvP weapons
-All gear enchanted with WotLK enchants (although used TBC helm enchant since couldn't find the new helm enchant)
-All gems slots filled with 32 AP blue gems (to keep things simple and to give room for EP calculations - I did include gem slot bonuses that were useful though)
There were 10 gem slots so if people want to change stats around they can pull 32 AP off and convert it into 16 Crit Rating or 16 Expertise or 16 Hit Rating or 16 Agility or 19 Spellpower
Values for Sim
Strength = 125
Agility = 455
Intellect = 403
Expertise Rating = 184 (5.61%)
Critical Rating = 445 (9.69%)
Haste Rating = 75 (2.29%)
Hit Rating = 282 (melee hit = 8.6%/spell hit = 10.75%)
AP = 2636
melee crit = 18.07%
spell crit = 14.31%
(if anyone is curious here are the base stats for a Tauren Shaman at level 80)
Strength = 125
Agility = 69
Intellect = 123
Melee Crit = 3.75%
Spell Crit = 2.94%
HP = 8009
Mana = 5961
base stats (agi and int) were only used for AP determinations and not for melee or spell crit percentages.
They are based off a level 80 Tauren Shaman wearing
-5 piece Naxx 10 man Enhance armor
-3 piece SWP-T6 armor
-new PvP melee cloak
-2x Naxx 10 man melee rings
-Madness of the Betrayer and Shard of Contempt
-Supremus Neck
-2x ilevel 200 PvP weapons
-All gear enchanted with WotLK enchants (although used TBC helm enchant since couldn't find the new helm enchant)
-All gems slots filled with 32 AP blue gems (to keep things simple and to give room for EP calculations - I did include gem slot bonuses that were useful though)
There were 10 gem slots so if people want to change stats around they can pull 32 AP off and convert it into 16 Crit Rating or 16 Expertise or 16 Hit Rating or 16 Agility or 19 Spellpower
Values for Sim
Strength = 125
Agility = 455
Intellect = 403
Expertise Rating = 184 (5.61%)
Critical Rating = 445 (9.69%)
Haste Rating = 75 (2.29%)
Hit Rating = 282 (melee hit = 8.6%/spell hit = 10.75%)
AP = 2636
melee crit = 18.07%
spell crit = 14.31%
(if anyone is curious here are the base stats for a Tauren Shaman at level 80)
Strength = 125
Agility = 69
Intellect = 123
Melee Crit = 3.75%
Spell Crit = 2.94%
HP = 8009
Mana = 5961
base stats (agi and int) were only used for AP determinations and not for melee or spell crit percentages.
Last edited by Rouncer : 09/25/08 at 6:32 PM.
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Rounced thanks! Those are pretty much what I expected and worked with. So I don't need to do all sim runs again for every weapon speed with every imbue. I work with those now on.
Do I understand correct that base mana is 5961 - 123*15 = 4116. Or do I miss something?
Edit: Damn typos.
Do I understand correct that base mana is 5961 - 123*15 = 4116. Or do I miss something?
Edit: Damn typos.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/25/08 at 6:50 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Do I understand correct that base mana is 5961 - 123*13 = 4116. Or do I miss something?
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With real gear numbers dps went up. I fear nerf bat soon just please don't hit hard.
4557dps with this config with fast mainhand with flame tongue over ~4700-
I added Glyph of Strength of Earth Totem to crit value it's not typo.(This time). What weapons enchant should be used? Arena totems have to added to sim becouse [Totem of Splintering] suck big time it's not even close to [Stonebreaker's Totem]. Even when dual wf and glyph plus slowest weapons. How bad it can be? Config is allmoust ready. More comments.
Thanks kasik047. Anything else you can find?
4557dps with this config with fast mainhand with flame tongue over ~4700-
I added Glyph of Strength of Earth Totem to crit value it's not typo.(This time). What weapons enchant should be used? Arena totems have to added to sim becouse [Totem of Splintering] suck big time it's not even close to [Stonebreaker's Totem]. Even when dual wf and glyph plus slowest weapons. How bad it can be? Config is allmoust ready. More comments.
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 19.07 oh_crit 19.07 mh_hit 8.6 oh_hit 8.6 mh_expertise_rating 184 oh_expertise_rating 184 ap 2636 haste 2.29 armor_penetration 0 str 125 agi 455 int 403 spellpower 791 spell_crit 14.31 spell_hit 10.75 base_mana 4396 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 madness_of_the_betrayer trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 - glyph_major4 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 fs rotation_priority2 mw_lvb rotation_priority3 mw_lb rotation_priority4 ss rotation_priority5 es rotation_priority6 ll rotation_priority7 ls miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item drums_of_battle
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/27/08 at 11:23 AM.
Pitbuller, in your config you have call of flame at 1/3, I believe you might mean 2/3 points which will result in a slight dps increase (although extremely small)
EnhSim1.1.3
1.1.3
-Double FT with glyph doesn't give 4% spell crit anymore.
-Fixed Stonebreaker's Totem to proc only from shocks.
-Removed the fourth major glyph slot.
enhsim - Google Code
I also did pretty big internal changes to the code. The code started to fall apart from some parts, so I redid them. If someone is interested, I changed the proc choosing system from single inheritance and function overriding to clever use of multiple inheritance. I also changed the method how I calculate some of the stats to a cleaner one. Although, now I have to divide the stats in their components in the enhsimconfig. Now it is a bit easier to maintain the code.
I also added that level 80 config file.
-Double FT with glyph doesn't give 4% spell crit anymore.
-Fixed Stonebreaker's Totem to proc only from shocks.
-Removed the fourth major glyph slot.
enhsim - Google Code
I also did pretty big internal changes to the code. The code started to fall apart from some parts, so I redid them. If someone is interested, I changed the proc choosing system from single inheritance and function overriding to clever use of multiple inheritance. I also changed the method how I calculate some of the stats to a cleaner one. Although, now I have to divide the stats in their components in the enhsimconfig. Now it is a bit easier to maintain the code.
I also added that level 80 config file.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
It's 15 mana per Intellect so Base mana would be 5961 - 123*15 = 4116 (heh you used the right value in your calculator but wrote it wrong in your post
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So, base mana is 5961-103*15-20 = 4396.
If you hover over intellect, it also tells you how much mana you get. Difference to your actualy mana is Base Mana.
First, sorry for my wonderful school english 
. I hope, you can although understand my whishes/recommendations..
- In my opinion, it would be better if you could choose at the „buffs“, which class is in the raid and which buff-option is skilled. When I have to calculate manually how much haste etc. I got from all buffs, the feasibility to get a wrong sim is much higher, as you can choose it via checkbox and the system calculates the right stats.
- A very nice feature would be a gui with equipmodeling and armory-import like rawr.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best gems/enchants/glyphs for my inputted equip.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best rotation (priority) for my inputted equip.
- An exportstring for addons like pawn/equivalence points/etc.
- Why is the standard melee hit at boss only 9%? The stylecap (WF/SS/..) is at 9%, but all whitehits need 28% hit so that they can`t miss (like it is for every other dual wild melee..)
That are a few points, which I figured out when I`ve tried the simulator my first time
. But let me say, you`ve made a good job. Keep it up!
Greetz,
Crafity
. I hope, you can although understand my whishes/recommendations..- In my opinion, it would be better if you could choose at the „buffs“, which class is in the raid and which buff-option is skilled. When I have to calculate manually how much haste etc. I got from all buffs, the feasibility to get a wrong sim is much higher, as you can choose it via checkbox and the system calculates the right stats.
- A very nice feature would be a gui with equipmodeling and armory-import like rawr.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best gems/enchants/glyphs for my inputted equip.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best rotation (priority) for my inputted equip.
- An exportstring for addons like pawn/equivalence points/etc.
- Why is the standard melee hit at boss only 9%? The stylecap (WF/SS/..) is at 9%, but all whitehits need 28% hit so that they can`t miss (like it is for every other dual wild melee..)
That are a few points, which I figured out when I`ve tried the simulator my first time
. But let me say, you`ve made a good job. Keep it up!Greetz,
Crafity
Buff/Debuff work like this list. Use default if you don't understand how these works. You don't have to calculate anything.
Calculate ep values if you want to know best gems.
* Armor Debuff (Major): Acid Spit (exotic Hunter pet), Expose Armor, Sunder Armor
* Armor Debuff (Minor): Faerie Fire, Sting (Hunter pet), Curse of Recklessness
* Physical Vulnerability Debuff: Blood Frenzy, (2nd Talent Spec TBA)
* Melee Haste Buff: Improved Icy Talons, Windfury Totem
* Melee Critical Strike Chance Buff: Leader of the Pack, Rampage
* Attack Power Buff (Flat Add): Battle Shout, Blessing of Might
* Attack Power Buff (Multiplier): Abomination's Might, Trueshot Aura, Unleashed Rage
* Spell Haste Buff: Wrath of Air Totem
* Spell Critical Strike Chance Buff: Moonkin Aura, Elemental Oath
* Spell Critical Strike Chance Debuff: Improved Scorch, Winter's Chill
* Increased Spell Damage Taken Debuff: Ebon Plaguebringer, Earth and Moon, Curse of the Elements
* Increased Spell Power Buff: Focus Magic, Improved Divine Spirit, Flametongue Totem, Totem of Wrath
* Increased Spell Hit Chance Taken Debuff: Improved Faerie Fire, Misery
* Percentage Haste Increase (All Types): Improved Moonkin Aura, Swift Retribution
* Percentage Damage Increase: Ferocious Inspiration, Sanctified Retribution
* Critical Strike Chance Taken Debuff (All types): Heart of the Crusader, Totem of Wrath
* Stat Multiplier Buff: Blessing of Kings
* Stat Add Buff: Mark of the Wild
* Agility and Strength Buff: Strength of Earth Totem, Horn of Winter
* Intellect Buff: Arcane Intellect, Fel Intelligence
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Buff/Debuff work like this list. Use default if you don't understand how these works. You don't have to calculate anything.
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| Calculate ep values if you want to know best gems. |
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Originally Posted by PaulchenP
First, sorry for my wonderful school english
. I hope, you can although understand my whishes/recommendations..... Greetz, Crafity |
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Originally Posted by tukez
Some of these will be in the new GUI developed by Levva. Btw Levva, how is the development going?
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I'm using the latest version of Eclipse and building something new for me an RCP (Rich Client Platform) app. So there is lots of "architectural" stuff to deal with including integration with SVN access and all that jazz. So the actual basics are in place but I'm getting hampered by the structural stuff.
I suspect what I need to do is take some time out to get all the background stuff sorted so I can actually get on with some coding. My main issue in setting this up is that I develop on 3 different machines. My home PC, my Laptop, and occasionally when I'm otherwise at a loose end - my work PC. I'm the IT Manager so I can get away with it
Getting the structural stuff right so I can port the code between development machines is something that needs to be right before I can get the actual GUI working. That said I've done a fair bit of reading on armory xml parsing etc. Thats because reading poolside with a glass of wine is easier than coding!!
Tukez check out the other thread to see the discussion so far. What is the reasoning behind the current EP step values in the default config for the sim? Are they meant to be that high and how can they be accurate at that high of a level.
Previous Sim author used EP step values of 40-80 while you are stepping 300 for AP and Spellpower and 150 for hit which doesn't even make any sense to me from an itemization value standpoint since 300 Spellpower is an equivalent EP step to 500 Attackpower not to 300 AP.
I think it's skewing the EP values Pitbuller is pulling out of the Sim, especially for Spellpower, and is making the results incredibly unreliable for things like hit rating since the single EP step is already putting the value way over the hit cap.
Wouldn't it be better to use a smaller step rating and to scale that step based on the itenmization values for those stats?
I set my numbers based on 2x gem values for the stats, would that work or would it be incorrect in some way?
Previous Sim author used EP step values of 40-80 while you are stepping 300 for AP and Spellpower and 150 for hit which doesn't even make any sense to me from an itemization value standpoint since 300 Spellpower is an equivalent EP step to 500 Attackpower not to 300 AP.
I think it's skewing the EP values Pitbuller is pulling out of the Sim, especially for Spellpower, and is making the results incredibly unreliable for things like hit rating since the single EP step is already putting the value way over the hit cap.
Wouldn't it be better to use a smaller step rating and to scale that step based on the itenmization values for those stats?
I set my numbers based on 2x gem values for the stats, would that work or would it be incorrect in some way?
It would be *amazingly* nice if the Sim had an idea of whether you were at hit or expertise cap as well, and accounted for it in the EP step size (not stepping over the caps) and in the results (letting the user know that these ratings are capped and no longer useful).
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Tukez check out the other thread to see the discussion so far. What is the reasoning behind the current EP step values in the default config for the sim? Are they meant to be that high and how can they be accurate at that high of a level.
Previous Sim author used EP step values of 40-80 while you are stepping 300 for AP and Spellpower and 150 for hit which doesn't even make any sense to me from an itemization value standpoint since 300 Spellpower is an equivalent EP step to 500 Attackpower not to 300 AP. I think it's skewing the EP values Pitbuller is pulling out of the Sim, especially for Spellpower, and is making the results incredibly unreliable for things like hit rating since the single EP step is already putting the value way over the hit cap. Wouldn't it be better to use a smaller step rating and to scale that step based on the itenmization values for those stats? I set my numbers based on 2x gem values for the stats, would that work or would it be incorrect in some way? |
The high EP ranges in the default config are legacy of bad config, I guess. People reported high variance with EP values(with wow 2.4 version sim) on different simulation runs, so I upped the EP ranges to get reasonable results. If the variance has gone down since, as it seems so, you can safely lower the EP ranges as you see fit. In theory, the more you raise the simulation runtime, the more accurate results you get and the more you can lower the EP ranges.
I'll lower the default EP ranges for next version.
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Originally Posted by Malan
It would be *amazingly* nice if the Sim had an idea of whether you were at hit or expertise cap as well, and accounted for it in the EP step size (not stepping over the caps) and in the results (letting the user know that these ratings are capped and no longer useful).
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Originally Posted by tukez
I would use EP ranges, which one item upgrade gives in stat. For example, I have a chest with 100ap and average upgrade for that piece would give me 50ap more, then I would use 50 for EP range. If you know how EP values/ranges work and are calculated, it makes some kind of sense.
The high EP ranges in the default config are legacy of bad config, I guess. People reported high variance with EP values(with wow 2.4 version sim) on different simulation runs, so I upped the EP ranges to get reasonable results. If the variance has gone down since, as it seems so, you can safely lower the EP ranges as you see fit. In theory, the more you raise the simulation runtime, the more accurate results you get and the more you can lower the EP ranges. I'll lower the default EP ranges for next version. |
Since I was basing them off what adding 2 gems worth of stats would do to the pieces.
Guess that also means we should be running different EP values for level 70 gear and for level 80 since the stat value increase between pieces is significantly more at level 80.
If these look ok to you feel free to use them.
Level 70
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 20
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
Level 80
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 32
ep_hit_rating 32
ep_expertise 32
ep_haste_rating 32
ep_armor_penetration_rating 32
ep_spellpower 38
With those being based on 2x gem values for the gems available at 70 and then the gems that will be available at 80.
Hmm, I`ve sim today my dps with solo buffs and a priority list, that is given with level 70 (MW_LB).
The sim shows me 1458 dps.. I`ve made seven fights with the dummies in OG and got all the time a dps between 1432 and 1453.. So, I think, the sim is running well.
All values were near the sim values.
The sim shows me 1458 dps.. I`ve made seven fights with the dummies in OG and got all the time a dps between 1432 and 1453.. So, I think, the sim is running well.
All values were near the sim values.
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Originally Posted by PaulchenP
Hmm, I`ve sim today my dps with solo buffs and a priority list, that is given with level 70 (MW_LB).
The sim shows me 1458 dps.. I`ve made seven fights with the dummies in OG and got all the time a dps between 1432 and 1453.. So, I think, the sim is running well. All values were near the sim values. |
. Better even if you happened to take a combatlog or some end stat results and the config you used to simulate. It would be nice to see does that combatlog look something like the simulator is spitting out.Edited onundefined
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Originally Posted by Malan
It would be *amazingly* nice if the Sim had an idea of whether you were at hit or expertise cap as well, and accounted for it in the EP step size (not stepping over the caps) and in the results (letting the user know that these ratings are capped and no longer useful).
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Rounced: AP and spell power scale linearly. Ep ranges aren't reason why you get inconsistent numbers(not me, check other thread). You can easily check ep values by hand:
Run sim. Write dps down. Set ap x higher(also remember set spellpower 0.3x higher too). Write dps down. dps/ap = (2nd run - 1st run) / x Reset config to original. Set some stat value higher by value of z. Write dps down. Value of that stat = [(3rd run - 1st run) / z] / (dps/ap) This is what sim do when calculating ep values.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/30/08 at 7:11 AM.
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simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 4 min_lag 350 max_lag 400 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 150 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_penetration_rating 600 ep_spellpower 300 mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 97.5 oh_dps 97.5 mh_crit 24.54 oh_crit 24.54 mh_hit 9.61 oh_hit 9.61 mh_expertise_rating 59 oh_expertise_rating 59 ap 1785 haste 1.9 armor_penetration 168 str 224 agi 346 int 273 spellpower 593 spell_crit 18.59 spell_hit 4.52 base_mana 2958 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 bloodlust_brooch trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 - glyph_major2 - glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 4 rotation_priority1 mw_lb rotation_priority2 fs rotation_priority3 ss rotation_priority4 ll miss 28.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 2/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 0/2600 armor_debuff_minor 0/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20/20 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 83/83 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 0/40 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item -
Screenshot from recount
The screen shows 1451,9 DPS after 306.4 sec, but the fightduration was 300,x sec. So, if you calc 444857/300, you got a dps realy near the sim one.
Only the values aren`t as near together, as today afternoon, but I`m not sure, if I had a piority list like in the list above..
Edit: But there are wrong values, if I choose FT/FT or WF/FT.. WF/FT is simed with ~1400 DPS, but it got ~1564 DPS.. Nice was, at the beginning (with mana) I hold 1800+ DPS. In my opinion, WF/FT is atm the best imbue-mix.
recount screenshot from WF/FT
For you as translation:
Nahkampf = Melee Blitzschlag = LB Angriff des Windzorns = WF Angriff der Flammenzunge = FT Sturmschlag = Stormstrike Flammenschock = Flameshock Lavapeitsche = LL Flammenschock (DoT) = Flameshock (DoT) ----------------- Gestreift = hmm, normally glancing blow, but it must be Crit.. Treffer = hit Miss = miss.. Dodge = dodge..
Last edited by PaulchenP : 09/29/08 at 8:25 PM.
EP ranges should follow the item budget, not numbers pulled out of a hat. Using gem values isn't that stupid, but gems don't follow the item budget as strictly as some of us had hoped.
Budget factors:
Any rating: 1
AP : 0.5
A stat : 1 - (Only Ag? Obviously not Str since it will result in only x1.1 AP, but Int?)
Spell power: 0.86 (6/7)
So with a base value of, say, 50, you get 100 AP, 50 ag, 50 of any rating, 58 spell power.
Source: Item values - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
Budget factors:
Any rating: 1
AP : 0.5
A stat : 1 - (Only Ag? Obviously not Str since it will result in only x1.1 AP, but Int?)
Spell power: 0.86 (6/7)
So with a base value of, say, 50, you get 100 AP, 50 ag, 50 of any rating, 58 spell power.
Source: Item values - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
EnhSim1.1.7
1.1.7
-Trinkets added: Meteorite Whetstone, Embrace of the Spider, Dying Curse, Illustration of the Dragon Soul, Sundial of the Exiled, Forge Ember, Incisor Fragment, Mark of the War Prisoner, Sphere of the Red Dragon's Blood and Tome of Arcane Phenomena.
-Grim Troll's name fixed to Grim Toll. Also changed the ppm to static proc chance of 15% and cd of 45s.
-Dual Wield Specialization changed to increase hit by 1/2/3%. Changed to affect spell hit also.
-Flurry attack speed increase lowered to 5/10/15/20/25%.
-Stormstrike damage debuff now affects nature spells only.
-Maelstrom Weapon proc chance reduced to 3/6/9/12/15% and procs form all melee. Duration increased to 30s.
-Lowered default EP ranges.
enhsim - Google Code
As you see, I assumed that DW spec affects spells too.
GUI warnings for hit and expertise caps works for level 80 too. It searches the enhsim file text box to see are you using level 70 or 80 exe.
-Trinkets added: Meteorite Whetstone, Embrace of the Spider, Dying Curse, Illustration of the Dragon Soul, Sundial of the Exiled, Forge Ember, Incisor Fragment, Mark of the War Prisoner, Sphere of the Red Dragon's Blood and Tome of Arcane Phenomena.
-Grim Troll's name fixed to Grim Toll. Also changed the ppm to static proc chance of 15% and cd of 45s.
-Dual Wield Specialization changed to increase hit by 1/2/3%. Changed to affect spell hit also.
-Flurry attack speed increase lowered to 5/10/15/20/25%.
-Stormstrike damage debuff now affects nature spells only.
-Maelstrom Weapon proc chance reduced to 3/6/9/12/15% and procs form all melee. Duration increased to 30s.
-Lowered default EP ranges.
enhsim - Google Code
As you see, I assumed that DW spec affects spells too.
GUI warnings for hit and expertise caps works for level 80 too. It searches the enhsim file text box to see are you using level 70 or 80 exe.
According to wowhead, dual-wield spec still doesn't affect spell hit, just melee hit.
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Originally Posted by PaulchenP
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Its mentioned in the post directly above yours.
Enhsim 1.1.8
1.1.8
-Elemental Fury does not affect Lava Lash crits anymore.
-DW spec bonus changed back to affect only melee.
enhsim - Google Code
-Elemental Fury does not affect Lava Lash crits anymore.
-DW spec bonus changed back to affect only melee.
enhsim - Google Code
I'm designing to add support for casting with partial MW stacks. I need to know does the cast time change, if haste changes during casting?
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Originally Posted by tukez
I'm designing to add support for casting with partial MW stacks. I need to know does the cast time change, if haste changes during casting?
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So I came up with this system for generic rotations:
System consists of fixed rotation slots and those slots are priority lists. The system would use the first slot(priority list) to use the first skill, then move to the next slot and use that list until a skill is available to cast. Move to next slot and so on. After last slot it would move back to the first one.
You could also define do you skip the slot and move to next one, if you can't cast any of the skills in that slot.
Example rotation:
SS
ES
MW_CL,MW_LB(skip)
FS
This means start with SS, then ES. Check if MW is ready and CL not on cd: cast CL. Otherwise check if MW is ready: cast LB. If either cannot be done, move to FS. After FS, start again with SS.
So to clarify, this rotation consists of 4 priority lists. Only the 3rd one have more than one item in it.
What do you think, is this good?. Can you do any kind of rotation with this sytem? Can you make up a better one?
Btw, spell casting with duration is almost done. In next version you are able to specify the minimum amount of MW charges to cast. Instead of defining, for example MW_LB, you have to define MW_LB_5 or MW_LB_3.
System consists of fixed rotation slots and those slots are priority lists. The system would use the first slot(priority list) to use the first skill, then move to the next slot and use that list until a skill is available to cast. Move to next slot and so on. After last slot it would move back to the first one.
You could also define do you skip the slot and move to next one, if you can't cast any of the skills in that slot.
Example rotation:
SS
ES
MW_CL,MW_LB(skip)
FS
This means start with SS, then ES. Check if MW is ready and CL not on cd: cast CL. Otherwise check if MW is ready: cast LB. If either cannot be done, move to FS. After FS, start again with SS.
So to clarify, this rotation consists of 4 priority lists. Only the 3rd one have more than one item in it.
What do you think, is this good?. Can you do any kind of rotation with this sytem? Can you make up a better one?
Btw, spell casting with duration is almost done. In next version you are able to specify the minimum amount of MW charges to cast. Instead of defining, for example MW_LB, you have to define MW_LB_5 or MW_LB_3.
Unless I'm misreading this, this priority system would skip on SS after the first cycle for much longer then it's actual cooldown.
Forgetting MW it leads to this:
0 SS
1.5 ES
7.5 FS
9 SS
13.5 ES
19.5 FS
21 SS
Which gives a 12 second gap while there was a perfect slot for SS available at 17 seconds. A better priority system would start at the top again after a succesful step was made, and maybe even check the remaining cooldown on a skill so that you wait say 0.5 seconds instead of firing up a flame shock and using a SS instead.
If it already does this then forget what I wrote.
Forgetting MW it leads to this:
0 SS
1.5 ES
7.5 FS
9 SS
13.5 ES
19.5 FS
21 SS
Which gives a 12 second gap while there was a perfect slot for SS available at 17 seconds. A better priority system would start at the top again after a succesful step was made, and maybe even check the remaining cooldown on a skill so that you wait say 0.5 seconds instead of firing up a flame shock and using a SS instead.
If it already does this then forget what I wrote.
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Originally Posted by Stopokingme
Unless I'm misreading this, this priority system would skip on SS after the first cycle for much longer then it's actual cooldown.
Forgetting MW it leads to this: 0 SS 1.5 ES 7.5 FS 9 SS 13.5 ES 19.5 FS 21 SS Which gives a 12 second gap while there was a perfect slot for SS available at 17 seconds. A better priority system would start at the top again after a succesful step was made, and maybe even check the remaining cooldown on a skill so that you wait say 0.5 seconds instead of firing up a flame shock and using a SS instead. If it already does this then forget what I wrote. |
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Originally Posted by tukez
So I came up with this system for generic rotations:
System consists of fixed rotation slots and those slots are priority lists. The system would use the first slot(priority list) to use the first skill, then move to the next slot and use that list until a skill is available to cast. Move to next slot and so on. After last slot it would move back to the first one. You could also define do you skip the slot and move to next one, if you can't cast any of the skills in that slot. Example rotation: SS ES MW_CL,MW_LB(skip) FS This means start with SS, then ES. Check if MW is ready and CL not on cd: cast CL. Otherwise check if MW is ready: cast LB. If either cannot be done, move to FS. After FS, start again with SS. So to clarify, this rotation consists of 4 priority lists. Only the 3rd one have more than one item in it. What do you think, is this good?. Can you do any kind of rotation with this sytem? Can you make up a better one? Btw, spell casting with duration is almost done. In next version you are able to specify the minimum amount of MW charges to cast. Instead of defining, for example MW_LB, you have to define MW_LB_5 or MW_LB_3. |
use the first skill if available, if not move onto slot 2 use if available, if not move onto slot 3 etc?
ie: every pass it starts at the top, or every pass it starts from where it left off thus potentially missing an earlier higher priority?
BTW given the request for possibilities for MW at less than 5 stacks to see the effects. Can I suggest you rename the above to be MW5_CL & MW5_LB. This then allows MW4_CL etc.
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Originally Posted by Levva
So its a case of every pass of the priority :
use the first skill if available, if not move onto slot 2 use if available, if not move onto slot 3 etc? ie: every pass it starts at the top, or every pass it starts from where it left off thus potentially missing an earlier higher priority? BTW given the request for possibilities for MW at less than 5 stacks to see the effects. Can I suggest you rename the above to be MW5_CL & MW5_LB. This then allows MW4_CL etc. |
MW_LB,SS,FS,ES,LL,LS
Plain fixed rotation with SS, FS and ES would be written like this:
SS FS ES SS ES
Then you can mix fixed and priority rotations together:
SS MW_LB,ES FS MW_CL,MW_LB (skip) LL
0.0s cast SS.
1.5s MW isn't most probably ready yet, so lets check next skill(ES). ES is ready -> cast ES.
7.5s cast FS
9.0s if MW is ready and CL cd is not on, cast CL. Else if MW is ready, cast LB. Else skip this priority list and move to the next one. Let's say MW wasn't ready yet.
9.0s cast LL
10.5s cast SS
And so on.
Hopefully this cleared it up.
About the naming thing, I think your suggestion is good, MW5_LB or whatever makes more sense.
You might include logic that allows for a delay though. ie, SS is much more important that LL is. So LL maybe off CD, but if SS is coming off CD in say... 1 second or less, I'd rather SS and use LL after. Same thing for Shocks, they're going to do more damage over time than LL will so they're more important to use if they're coming off CD but would conflict with LL.
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Tukez, please update the sim with Maelstrom Weapon set to 12.4PPM.
Edited - reduced the PPM to 12.4, another 5 minute run was posted so it should be averaged in too
Edited - reduced the PPM to 12.4, another 5 minute run was posted so it should be averaged in too
Last edited by Rouncer : 10/04/08 at 1:17 AM.
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EnhSim 1.2.1
1.2.1
-Maelstrom Weapon is now 12.4 PPM. Removed Lava Burst as an option.
-Flurry changed back to 10/15/20/25/30%.
-Dual Wield Specialization changed back to 2/4/6%.
-You can now specify the minimum amount of charges to use MW. You can also cast spells without MW charges at all, check the config.txt for details.
enhsim - Google Code
Sorry it took so long, I basically had this version ready since yesterday, but it took a while to track down one nasty bug. I hope there aren't any other bugs.
As you see, you can cast spells now without MW, so you can play elemental shaman and spam LB if you feel like it
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EDIT: I forgot to write the instructions for spell casting to config.txt. I'll write it here instead.
Basically the Maelstrom Weapons commands are:
Where x is number 1-5. It means what is the minimum number of MW charges to start casting.
You can cast full duration spells with these commands: LB, CL, LVB. They use MW charges if possible(LB is same as MW0_LB).
MW casting with charges pauses the swing timer and full duration casting resets it.
EDIT 2: Realized that different MW ranks do all the same thing. I guess ppm should increase as you gain ranks up to 12.4? I'll change this to the next version.
-Maelstrom Weapon is now 12.4 PPM. Removed Lava Burst as an option.
-Flurry changed back to 10/15/20/25/30%.
-Dual Wield Specialization changed back to 2/4/6%.
-You can now specify the minimum amount of charges to use MW. You can also cast spells without MW charges at all, check the config.txt for details.
enhsim - Google Code
Sorry it took so long, I basically had this version ready since yesterday, but it took a while to track down one nasty bug. I hope there aren't any other bugs.
As you see, you can cast spells now without MW, so you can play elemental shaman and spam LB if you feel like it
.EDIT: I forgot to write the instructions for spell casting to config.txt. I'll write it here instead.
Basically the Maelstrom Weapons commands are:
MWx_LB MWx_CL
You can cast full duration spells with these commands: LB, CL, LVB. They use MW charges if possible(LB is same as MW0_LB).
MW casting with charges pauses the swing timer and full duration casting resets it.
EDIT 2: Realized that different MW ranks do all the same thing. I guess ppm should increase as you gain ranks up to 12.4? I'll change this to the next version.
Last edited by tukez : 10/04/08 at 9:29 AM.
So, running the Sim on all default settings, AP seems to be the best stat (except for hit and expertise obviously)... interesting.
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Originally Posted by fauxpas
So, running the Sim on all default settings, AP seems to be the best stat (except for hit and expertise obviously)... interesting.
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All EP Ranges are on default settings.
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Originally Posted by PaulchenP
-Maelstrom Weapon now has a 100% chance to reduce the cast time of your next Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Lava Burst, Lesser Healing Wave, Chain Heal or Healing Wave spell by 20%. Stacks up to 5 times. Lasts 30 sec. (Up from 3/6/9/12/15% chance)
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It's a typo, try it out ingame.
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Originally Posted by fauxpas
So, running the Sim on all default settings, AP seems to be the best stat (except for hit and expertise obviously)... interesting.
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Originally Posted by Malan
You might include logic that allows for a delay though. ie, SS is much more important that LL is. So LL maybe off CD, but if SS is coming off CD in say... 1 second or less, I'd rather SS and use LL after. Same thing for Shocks, they're going to do more damage over time than LL will so they're more important to use if they're coming off CD but would conflict with LL.
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FS:3.0,SS:2.0,LL
EP value baseline 3995.30 ap 1 crit rating 1.61 hit rating 3.20 expertise rating 2.34 haste rating 1.35 armor penetration rating spellpower 1.36 strength 1.10 agility 1.73 intelligence 1.35
EP value baseline ap 1 crit rating 1.66 hit rating 1.31 expertise rating 0 haste rating 1.33 armor penetration rating 0.17 spellpower 1.29 strength 1.10 agility 1.73 intelligence 1.36
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... slightly modified with nearly capped meleehit and capped expertise. here, ap is the best stat. |
Obviously, wouldn't make sense otherwise, would it? :P
As I have yet to get the sim working on my mac, I'd love to see some EP values at level 70 in a 25-man environment in Sunwell gear. Hit rating values set to greater than that needed to cap specials and less than the spell hit cap would probably be most useful to those of us who are gemmed/enchanted for 2.x.
On a separate note, has anyone gotten the sim to compile on a mac? I'd love to know a basic step-by-step of how you did it.
On a separate note, has anyone gotten the sim to compile on a mac? I'd love to know a basic step-by-step of how you did it.
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Originally Posted by tukez
EDIT 2: Realized that different MW ranks do all the same thing. I guess ppm should increase as you gain ranks up to 12.4? I'll change this to the next version.
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Did you mean what would be the ppm for 1 pt in MW? Don't think anyone's tested that.
Last edited by Levva : 10/04/08 at 8:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
PPM is fixed we reckon at 12.4ppm. 1 stack reduces cast time by 20%, 2 stacks 40% etc same as before. What changed was the method of gaining a stack.
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1 point = ~2.5
2 points = ~5
3 points = ~7.5
4 points = ~10
5 points = ~12.5
(12.4 seems to be the rate but without more testing precision will be a bit lacking)
Got something new for you to add into the Sim regarding Maelstrom Weapon.
Seems if a weapons speed drops below 1 second it's PPM increases to 16.2
Seems if a weapons speed drops below 1 second it's PPM increases to 16.2
Long time lurker - I've just stuck my level 70 stats as per the PTR into the smulator and run the AEP values.
Most of the stats make sense, eg expertise rated highly and agi >str. I am however getting a value of 1.84 for armour penetration which seems very wrong to me. What would cause such a high value?
Most of the stats make sense, eg expertise rated highly and agi >str. I am however getting a value of 1.84 for armour penetration which seems very wrong to me. What would cause such a high value?
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Originally Posted by Blind
Long time lurker - I've just stuck my level 70 stats as per the PTR into the smulator and run the AEP values.
Most of the stats make sense, eg expertise rated highly and agi >str. I am however getting a value of 1.84 for armour penetration which seems very wrong to me. What would cause such a high value? |
Armor Pen was changed to a rating system so it produces different values now.
Easy way to use the sim on a Mac
I haven't done this in the last week or so, but last time I tried, the sim ran just fine under Darwine, and it was crazy fast too. I wasn't using the GUI so I don't know if that would work too.
So if you don't want to compile it yourself (though that looks pretty easy), just grab a copy of Darwine. you don't even need to install the various extra that Darwine says it wants (updated X drivers, etc.) - it'll work out of the box well enough for the sim.
So if you don't want to compile it yourself (though that looks pretty easy), just grab a copy of Darwine. you don't even need to install the various extra that Darwine says it wants (updated X drivers, etc.) - it'll work out of the box well enough for the sim.
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Chain lightning usage on every cooldown yields +100dps but cost 500mp5. Lava burst full cast is dps loss if used every cd but can be dps and mana neutral if only used when elemental devastion drop so no reason to use it ever when being melee range. What is interesting that our ranged dps is over 2000 now.
About mana: If you are mana limited then spec out of concussion and get convection. No reason drop static shield.
Concussion =~ 50dps.
Convection is 100mp5
Static shock =~ 150dps
Water shield = 100mp5 + globes.
Edit: Corrected Convection mp5 value to 100mp5 not 66mp5.
With this priority dps is 2190 and you can do it at 20ayd without shocks you can do about 2000dps at 30yad:
About mana: If you are mana limited then spec out of concussion and get convection. No reason drop static shield.
Concussion =~ 50dps.
Convection is 100mp5
Static shock =~ 150dps
Water shield = 100mp5 + globes.
Edit: Corrected Convection mp5 value to 100mp5 not 66mp5.
With this priority dps is 2190 and you can do it at 20ayd without shocks you can do about 2000dps at 30yad:
rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 fs rotation_priority2 lvb rotation_priority3 cl rotation_priority4 es rotation_priority5 lb rotation_priority6 ls
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Chain lightning usage on every cooldown yields +100dps but cost 500mp5. Lava burst full cast is dps loss if used every cd but can be dps and mana neutral if only used when elemental devastion drop so no reason to use it ever when being melee range. What is interesting that our ranged dps is over 2000 now.
About mana: If you are mana limited then spec out of concussion and get convection. No reason drop static shield. Concussion =~ 50dps. Convection is 66mp5 Static shock =~ 150dps Water shield = 100mp5 + globes. |
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Back to Maelstrom Weapon tuning.
Tukez, hopefully we'll get some more consistant results today for MW but what I think may be happening is that the PPM is really 10 but that the proc rate is just determined by the base weapon speed and doesn't change when haste is applied. Which would mean that MW scales, to a degree, with haste.
EDIT - Jury does appear to be back in from deliberation and MW scales with Haste. So set the proc rate based on the base weapon speed and a PPM of 9.8 and that rate won't change no matter how much haste is added into the system.
Last edited by Rouncer : 10/06/08 at 11:51 PM.
Double post, sorry
EnhSim 1.2.3
1.2.3
-You can set ep range to 0, if you want to skip that particular test. Ep value calculations for MH and OH dps added.
-EnhSim warns if some stat goes past the cap in EP value calculation.
-Metagems added: Chaotic Skyflare Diamond, Ember Skyflare Diamond, Relentless Earthsiege Diamond. CSD is for spells and RED is for melee.
-Maelstrom Weapon is now 2/4/6/8/10 ppm.
-Added Maelstrom Weapon observed PPM to the stats.
enhsim - Google Code
Haste of any kind do not affect the proc chance. In other words, all haste increases the PPM.
-You can set ep range to 0, if you want to skip that particular test. Ep value calculations for MH and OH dps added.
-EnhSim warns if some stat goes past the cap in EP value calculation.
-Metagems added: Chaotic Skyflare Diamond, Ember Skyflare Diamond, Relentless Earthsiege Diamond. CSD is for spells and RED is for melee.
-Maelstrom Weapon is now 2/4/6/8/10 ppm.
-Added Maelstrom Weapon observed PPM to the stats.
enhsim - Google Code
Haste of any kind do not affect the proc chance. In other words, all haste increases the PPM.
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Is is still common practice to calculate multiple ep values and then take the average like we did with Yo's sim?
edit: Was playing around with 1.2.3 and I get some really strange values for MH and OH DPS when I calculate EP values.
I've posted screen shots and the config file I'm using.
edit: Was playing around with 1.2.3 and I get some really strange values for MH and OH DPS when I calculate EP values.
I've posted screen shots and the config file I'm using.
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 20 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 24 ep_spellpower 20 ep_dps mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 103.1 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 30.56 oh_crit 30.56 mh_hit 17.57 oh_hit 17.57 mh_expertise_rating 112 oh_expertise_rating 112 ap 2108 haste 4.69 armor_penetration 17.56 str 180 agi 379 int 233 spellpower 632 spell_crit 19.43 spell_hit 13.97 base_mana 4463 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 shard_of_contempt trinket2 berserkers_call totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 4 rotation_priority1 MW_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 0/2600 armor_debuff_minor 0/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 0/40 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item -
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Originally Posted by polocabbit
Is is still common practice to calculate multiple ep values and then take the average like we did with Yo's sim?
edit: Was playing around with 1.2.3 and I get some really strange values for MH and OH DPS when I calculate EP values. |
Reason you get wierd results is, that you don't have ep_dps defined:
ep_armor_penetration_rating 24 ep_spellpower 20 ep_dps
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Originally Posted by tukez
CSD is for spells and RED is for melee
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But they add more than just the crit modifier 
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Originally Posted by Kyuki
But they add more than just the crit modifier
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EnhSim 1.2.9
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Originally Posted by polocabbit
LvB had its damaged buff by 10% (source). Thought you might want to know for your next revision of your sim.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Is it just 10% to base damage or did they change the coef too?
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Originally Posted by Malan
It was just the base damage, Bink already railed that they didn't fix its scaling.
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Edit so the post isn't completely useless. Tukez are you including Feral Spirit damage in your sim?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I thought I heard the gnashing of teeth.
Edit so the post isn't completely useless. Tukez are you including Feral Spirit damage in your sim? |
EnhSim1.3.0
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Originally Posted by Krish
I've spent what must be several hours now trying to get the simulator to compile on my Mac. I've installed X11 and Wine and attempted it that way. I've attempted to download zterm and compile it that way. I am reaching dead end after dead end and slamming my head into the wall. If someone who has gotten this to work under 10.5.x (I'm on 10.5.5) could provide some kind of step-by-step instructions for myself and other mac users, it would make my day. We're going to need to have something to put into the wiki that we can refer people to when they ask "should I be using X or Y weapon?", even if they are a Mac user.
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You could build Darwine from scratch, but I didn't bother this time. Go get it from Random Tidbits of Information. For example, http://thisismyinter.net/Files/Darwi...ne%201.1.5.dmg at the moment, though it's updated often enough that you shouldn't use that direct link. (If you do want to build it from scratch he's got some useful notes on that page on what you need to do it.)
The page author also suggests that you get Xquartz, but you don't need it for the sim. (At least, not the engine. I didn't try the GUI.)
When you decompress and run Darwine, it creates a hidden directory in your root dir called ".wine". Inside of that is a directory that holds the contents of the "C:" drive called "drive_c" (unless I picked the name - I don't recall- in which case it'll be whatever you name it). Put the sim somewhere inside the C drive (I was sloppy and stuck it in the root), then use the WineHelper.app to start the sim with the necessary arguments. The first time around only run it for a hundred hours. That way it should run in less than a second even on the weakest intel Mac ever made. So you'll know right away if things are working or not.
You don't need to fire up X by hand, just make sure you installed it when you installed your OS (or go get the install DVD and install X now. It won't harm your current OS installation).
That should do it. Post if you have more trouble. (Oh yeah... if you're not on an Intel Mac, this won't work! You'll have to compile it.)
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Originally Posted by tukez
No you don't have to run it multiple times, just set simulation time high enough. At first, you should test a couple of times, how high you have to set the time to get stable results. After the initial tests, it should be enough to just run EP test once.
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I've begun generating statistic data in my sim and it has been very revealing. One interesting stat that I've been looking at is:
Convergence = ( | DPS_Final - DPS_90% | ) / DPS_Final
DPS_Final => The average DPS across all iterations
DPS_90% => The average DPS after 90% of total iterations
This gives me an idea how well the sim is converging. I'm probably going to add an option that allows the sim to run to a specified convergence level.....
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Originally Posted by Wundorn
(Oh yeah... if you're not on an Intel Mac, this won't work! You'll have to compile it.)
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Last edited by Acks : 10/09/08 at 2:20 PM.
EnhSim1.3.2
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Originally Posted by Acks
Thank you Tukez for this wonderful tool. Quick question here in regards to expertise. I get the message that "MH and OH expertise are over the cap" unless I set the values from rating (which the GUI specifically asks for) to actual expertise (e.g. even putting in 50 expertise rating yields this error message, it only goes away by setting expertise to 27 or lower).
As such I can't generate an EP value for expertise. Im assuming either im doing something wrong or the sim expects us to cap expertise and so an EP would be useless anyway. Or maybe its related to the step ep values im using (stole from Rouncie above with AP at 40 and others set from there). Edit: One more question. Do i deduct the stats provided by trinkets from my stats before inputting them? E.g. DST, should i deduct 40 AP from my paperdoll stats? Or does the trinket selection only factor in equip/use mechanics? I saw someone mention deducting the AP from Berzerker's Call in a previous post but couldn't find anything that would confirm this. |
No, you don't deduct stats. Always input what you see, or would see, in your paper doll.
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Originally Posted by tukez
If putting 50 to expertise rating box, only way it could say that, is because you changed the dodge from 6.5 to some lower value. Also note that you input expertise(not rating) in the EP ranges. The default EP range in some configs is 20, which is too high for expertise. Just noticed that.
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I just now tried changing my expertise from 112 (actual) to 102, and then changed the EP range from 20 to 5, and i still get the error that its over the cap. With 102 expertise, i have to change the EP range for Expertise to "1" in order to get the sim to not report being over the cap.
The same is true for spell hit. It is reporting anything over 11% as being over the spell hit. I thought it was 17% for spell hit, based on the information provided by wowwiki (202 spell hit rating). EDIT: Just remembered dual wield specialization adding 6% "hit". I suppose this could be the issue as 11+6 =17. I didnt' even consider that DW specialization would affect spell hit. D'oh.
Here are my EP ranges that I stole from Rouncie's post earlier in the thread (EDIT: with exp changed to 5 as suggested):
ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 5 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5
Last edited by Acks : 10/09/08 at 3:08 PM.
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Originally Posted by Wundorn
Ok...
You could build Darwine from scratch, but I didn't bother this time. Go get it from Random Tidbits of Information. For example, http://thisismyinter.net/Files/Darwi...ne%201.1.5.dmg at the moment, though it's updated often enough that you shouldn't use that direct link. (If you do want to build it from scratch he's got some useful notes on that page on what you need to do it.) The page author also suggests that you get Xquartz, but you don't need it for the sim. (At least, not the engine. I didn't try the GUI.) When you decompress and run Darwine, it creates a hidden directory in your root dir called ".wine". Inside of that is a directory that holds the contents of the "C:" drive called "drive_c" (unless I picked the name - I don't recall- in which case it'll be whatever you name it). Put the sim somewhere inside the C drive (I was sloppy and stuck it in the root), then use the WineHelper.app to start the sim with the necessary arguments. The first time around only run it for a hundred hours. That way it should run in less than a second even on the weakest intel Mac ever made. So you'll know right away if things are working or not. You don't need to fire up X by hand, just make sure you installed it when you installed your OS (or go get the install DVD and install X now. It won't harm your current OS installation). That should do it. Post if you have more trouble. (Oh yeah... if you're not on an Intel Mac, this won't work! You'll have to compile it.) |
Edit: I'm taking a closer look at the config.txt file now. I was using the default, but perhaps the 0/2600 kinds of values that are input for armor_debuff_major and the like are the problem? Also I see a few talent values that seem to be impossible (not having any talents in tier 1 of enhancement). I'll try changing those things and see if it makes the difference.
Edit 2: Tried the same things with the BestDpsBuild.txt file instead, since it seems to be filled in. Same problems.
Last edited by Krish : 10/09/08 at 3:26 PM.
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Originally Posted by Acks
Boss dodge is set to 6.5 in my config file.
I just now tried changing my expertise from 112 (actual) to 102, and then changed the EP range from 20 to 5, and i still get the error that its over the cap. With 102 expertise, i have to change the EP range for Expertise to "1" in order to get the sim to not report being over the cap. The same is true for spell hit. It is reporting anything over 11% as being over the spell hit. I thought it was 17% for spell hit, based on the information provided by wowwiki (202 spell hit rating). EDIT: Just remembered dual wield specialization adding 6% "hit". I suppose this could be the issue as 11+6 =17. I didnt' even consider that DW specialization would affect spell hit. D'oh. |
DW does not affect spell hit. There are some other things though, which do, like the spell hit buff or spice hot talbuk. Noticed a bug in the GUI btw, it calculates spice hot talbuks spell hit based on the melee hit rating conversion -> you might get incorrect error message with spell hit.
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Originally Posted by Krish
When I use WineHelper to open the Sim, I select the Enhsim.exe file and it doesn't open. I tried pasting the text from config.txt in, that didn't work. I'm seemingly either not doing the right steps to select the arguments, or something else is going wrong.
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Sorry, can't really give much assistance in this matter.
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Originally Posted by tukez
You give the config's filename as argument to EnhSim. If you want to calculate EP values, give the config's filename and somethings else. ("enhsim.exe config.txt ep" for example)
Sorry, can't really give much assistance in this matter. |
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Originally Posted by mek
Follow-up question: what kind of damage does a WF proc from Lava Lash do?
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Fresh from the Beta. I did find out that Windfury is still bugged for ranks 6-8, and SS still doesn't show up int he combat log as far as I could tell. HOWEVER, melee attacks are no longer consuming SS charges. This is good news of course. In a few other tests, WF-5 was being outdamageg by the offhand flametongue weapon damage
Paper Doll Stats Unbuffed:
2298 AP
1238 Spell Power
8.68 MHit
2.68 SHit
25.23 MCrit
21.67 SHit
1.83 Haste
129 Str
439 Agi
386 Int
Talent Spec:
Test 1
This was a 12 minute fight. 0/5 UR, 3/3 SS and 3/3 IES, however due to mana issues I did not use Static Shock at all. Because WF is still broken, and the fact that FT is doing more damage than WF is presently, I used dual FT enchants. For this testing purpose, I used the following macro:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
The results were interesting!
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1450291
DPS: 2014.3
Pretty high damage for Lava Burst and Lava Lash!
Test 2
Same Macro, but 5/5 UR
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1478905
DPS 2054
The spell damage portion of our overall damage with dual FT is around ~65%(~55% with MH WF)!!! Flametongue Weapon does NOT seem to be proccing off every hit in either test!
Test 3
My final test for the night! Same macro, but instead of equiping [Savage Gladiator's Cleaver] I used [Savage Gladiator's Spellblade] . Note that it is a MH only weapon!
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1547292
DPS: 2149
Even with a caster MAIN HAND weapon with FT, it was quite a bit of an upgrade. Hope you found this info useful!
Paper Doll Stats Unbuffed:
2298 AP
1238 Spell Power
8.68 MHit
2.68 SHit
25.23 MCrit
21.67 SHit
1.83 Haste
129 Str
439 Agi
386 Int
Talent Spec:
Test 1
This was a 12 minute fight. 0/5 UR, 3/3 SS and 3/3 IES, however due to mana issues I did not use Static Shock at all. Because WF is still broken, and the fact that FT is doing more damage than WF is presently, I used dual FT enchants. For this testing purpose, I used the following macro:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
The results were interesting!
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1450291
DPS: 2014.3
Ability Count Damage % High Low Lava Burst 70 411915 31.4 6829 4334 Melee 808 360235 27.5 FT Weapon 614 257189 19.6 Lava Lash 104 95940 7.3 2733 541 Flame Shock 70 84713 6.5 Earth Shock 35 60574 4.6 FS Dot 113 41262 3.1
Test 2
Same Macro, but 5/5 UR
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1478905
DPS 2054
Ability Count Damage % High Low Lava burst 72 417056 30.9 6930 4444 Melee 829 377089 27.9 FT Weapon 609 245501 18.2 Lava Lash 107 109056 8.1 2853 559 Flame Shock 72 85184 6.3 Earth Shock 36 71981 5.3 FS Dot 120 43335 3.2
Test 3
My final test for the night! Same macro, but instead of equiping [Savage Gladiator's Cleaver] I used [Savage Gladiator's Spellblade] . Note that it is a MH only weapon!
Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Length of Test: 12 minutes
Total Damage: 1547292
DPS: 2149
Ability Count Damage % High Low Lava Burst 72 439407 31.6 6832 5009 Melee 1122 340137 24.5 FT Weapon 707 290991 20.9 Lava Lash 107 106116 7.6 2495 555 Flame Shock 72 97276 7.0 Earth Shock 36 72916 5.2 FS Dot 112 43925 3.2
Last edited by Hothgor : 09/22/08 at 3:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Now with Elemental Weapons changed, does the 30% affect only the bonus spelldamage FT gives or the whole spelldamage which FT damage is calculated from?
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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Originally Posted by Embar
I went down to the servants in Blasted Lands yesterday with my elemental and enhancement sets. Surprisingly, DPSing as enhancement in a full elemental set with dual FT came out pretty close (+- 100dps in my current gear) to DPSing in proper enhancement gear. However, since SS is not showing in logs right now and SS was still bugged when I tested, this is not definitive - I'll try and get some proper logs later, but if I can replicate this consistently it'd be rather odd.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Tukez am I missing someplace where I should input what level shaman I'm running the sim for? (Which would determine what spell ranks are being used I assume?) I can't find an option for it.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Different levels are not done yet. Hold on.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Gotcha. I'm trying to get EP values for my beta char at 76 and they're producing some sort of wonky values (3.51 EP for crit).
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Two elemental t6 pieces is good idea but two set bonus is still only spell crit and not combined crit. Shoulders are very good but other parts aren't even close at best slot items. Resto shaman maybe can make elemental 2*set useful.
Elemental set bonus is about 70ep(45*1.15ep + 35*0.5ep) + 15mp5 for us.
Elemental set bonus is about 70ep(45*1.15ep + 35*0.5ep) + 15mp5 for us.
(2) Set: Whenever you have an air totem, an earth totem, a fire totem, and a water totem active at the same time, you gain 15 mana per 5 sec, 35 spell critical strike rating, and 45 spell power.
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Originally Posted by h4rr0d
Hope it's not OT here or if it has been mentioned already, but I have just logged on PTR to check out what did they do with the linked PVP gear (str got just rolled over to AP same as on our tier sets) but I have noticed more important thing. Surefooted enchant is changed to +10 hit +10 crit which is rather imba for us.
Also, seeing how caster items look rather good for us, has anyone tried grabbing 2 elemental tier 6 pieces for the set bonus yet, or is it completely insane thought? I was thinking about chest/shoulders+swp enhancement stuff and head/shoulders+gloves elemental depending on other stuff you have in the slots. |
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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After some interesting testing last night, I decided to test my DPS using ONLY elemental gear on the premade BETA realm. It should be noted initially that I was only able to sustain this for about 5 minutes before going OOM, due primarily to my super low attack power. In a typical raid situation, this would or should not be a problem at all. I used the same macro from the 3 previous tests:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
My Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
My Paper Doll Stats
970 AP
2228 SP
7.59 MHit
1.98 SHit
18.93 MCrit
20.78 SCrit
0 Haste
121 Str
71 Agil
572 Int
The results:
Damage: 675414
DPS: 2251.38
As you can see, this bested my previous best of ~2100 dps with enhancement gear and a MH spell power weapon. Spell Power seems to be THAT good DPS wise, and in my opinion should spark some serious discussion on how exactly we are going to gear ourselves.
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Lava Burst, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Lash;
My Talent Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
My Paper Doll Stats
970 AP
2228 SP
7.59 MHit
1.98 SHit
18.93 MCrit
20.78 SCrit
0 Haste
121 Str
71 Agil
572 Int
The results:
Damage: 675414
DPS: 2251.38
Ability Damage Count % MAX MIN Lava Burst 200233 29 32.7 7358 5672 FT Weapon 172129 380 28.1 Melee 102043 448 16.7 Flame Shock 45623 30 7.4 2590 1068 Lava Lash 37342 44 6.1 1760 381 Earth Shock 32261 14 5.3 4047 1988 FS Dot 22897 48 3.7
Last edited by Hothgor : 09/22/08 at 4:25 PM.
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
As you can see, this bested my previous best of ~2100 dps with enhancement gear and a MH spell power weapon. Spell Power seems to be THAT good DPS wise, and in my opinion should spark some serious discussion on how exactly we are going to gear ourselves.
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Edit: I see Malan has started a thread on the topic: WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> Koraa - major issue with Enhancement gear
Last edited by Skiace : 09/21/08 at 4:07 AM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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mh_speed 1.6 oh_speed 1.3 mh_dps 39.0 oh_dps 87.3 mh_crit 28.22 oh_crit 28.22 mh_hit 10.434 oh_hit 10.434 mh_expertise_rating 44 oh_expertise_rating 44 ap 722 haste 11 armor_penetration 0 str 106 agi 99 int 428 spellpower 878 spell_crit 28.860 spell_hit 13.543 base_mana 2678
DPS PPM MPS white 221.87 14.36% 121.65 windfury 0.00 0% 0.00 flametongue 548.53 35.51% 128.69 stormstrike 22.23 1.44% 5.27 17.70 19.58% lava lash 22.68 1.47% 14.71 21.40 23.67% searing totem 186.93 12.1% 0.00 earth shock 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% flame shock 145.75 9.44% 4.59 13.70 15.16% frost shock 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% lava burst 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% lightning bolt 396.81 25.69% 9.30 37.59 41.59% lightning shield 0.00 0% 0.00 0.00 0.00% misc 0.00 0% 0.00
MPS 90.39
MP2min 10847.07
Full t6 using a Brutal Gladiator Spellpower dagger and that 1.3 speed dagger from Heroic MGT. No enchantments and I do not think I gemmed anything, but I'd have to double check. I also left the Raid Buff and Debuff section completely blank. If this is accurate this build could easily out dps my current Shaman by a good 3 to 400 points, and I'm assuming the sim's dps value is inflated.
Last edited by Urgok : 09/21/08 at 4:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
Appropriate noise needs to be made on the beta forums and through in-game reporting on this topic. We really don't want to end up gearing spell power over attack power in the end.
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Personally I'd love to run around in SP gear, it'd truly make us unique and I wouldn't need to gather a different set if I just wanted to try a different spec for a while.
If I find time I might try to come up with stats for low-quality geared enhancement and elemental shaman sets, so I can check how much the difference is there (to compare scaling)
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Last edited by tukez : 09/21/08 at 6:06 AM.
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If you check lootrank and 80lvl loots you will see that elemental gear prbolem is 70lvl stuff not 80lvl. Our t7 is muich better than elemental brothers. It's even better than rogue set. Our ap scaling is ridiculous good. 0.65dps per ap. It's almoust double as good that it is now. I'm not against spell damage weapons becouse those are good. But spell damage gear isn't so hot at 80lvl. You all must remember that ratings value drop almoust half when sim updates to 80lvl. This give ap gear even bigger lead. At 70lvl only spellpower best slot items are [Pendant of Sunfire] and [Loop of Forged Power]. Both these are crafterd so no lootdrama conflicted. I really scare that Blizz fix would only cause nerf to some spell damage component. Our class is fine now.
On the other hand now our best slot items include 6 mail and only 2 leather. All these are pure melee gear.
It's not fair to compare BT and Sunwell items.
First 80lvl ep values. I edited bestDpsBuild.txt config to match reality at started gear. I reduced all ratings and percent from gear. Dps/ap dropped but dps still went little up. Hit > agi > crit > exp. Cap spell hit and stack agi after that.
With these values spellpower gear can't match agi/ap gear.
Ep values at wowhead.(gem hit to spell cap if you use these values.)
On the other hand now our best slot items include 6 mail and only 2 leather. All these are pure melee gear.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Its rather discouraging to see [Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon] worth more according to the sim than [Grips of Damnation]
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First 80lvl ep values. I edited bestDpsBuild.txt config to match reality at started gear. I reduced all ratings and percent from gear. Dps/ap dropped but dps still went little up. Hit > agi > crit > exp. Cap spell hit and stack agi after that.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 3646.36 ap 1 0.52 3802.02 155.66 crit rating 1.91 0.99 3745.30 98.94 hit rating 2.78 1.44 3790.52 144.16 expertise rating 1.66 0.86 3716.00 69.63 haste rating 1.20 0.63 3771.39 125.03 armor penetration rating 0.52 0.27 3669.51 23.14 spellpower 1.19 0.62 3832.03 185.67 strength 1.10 agility 2.00 intelligence 1.30
Ep values at wowhead.(gem hit to spell cap if you use these values.)
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/21/08 at 7:15 AM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
If you check lootrank and 80lvl loots you will see that elemental gear prbolem is 70lvl stuff not 80lvl. Our t7 is muich better than elemental brothers. It's even better than rogue set. Our ap scaling is ridiculous good. 0.65dps per ap. It's almoust double as good that it is now. I'm not against spell damage weapons becouse those are good. But spell damage gear isn't so hot at 80lvl. You all must remember that ratings value drop almoust half when sim updates to 80lvl. This give ap gear even bigger lead. At 70lvl only spellpower best slot items are [Pendant of Sunfire] and [Loop of Forged Power]. Both these are crafterd so no lootdrama conflicted. I really scare that Blizz fix would only cause nerf to some spell damage component. Our class is fine now.
On the other hand now our best slot items include 6 mail and only 2 leather. All these are pure melee gear. It's not fair to compare BT and Sunwell items. |
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Originally Posted by Hothgor
On my test, I was comparing level 80 blue Melee gear with level 80 blue spell gear. They clearly do similar damage to each other. Level 80 ep values should be different than level 70 ones, right?
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Followed your advice bellante and went for a really tight ep-step setting:
1 for each rating, 2 for AP. Ran it for 60k hours (27mins of siming) which gave me the following results:
EP (note the negative spellpower):
DPS sim:
Is MW uptime supposed to be that high, as it doesn't really map on the findings of in-game ppm reports.
And for completeness the config:
1 for each rating, 2 for AP. Ran it for 60k hours (27mins of siming) which gave me the following results:
EP (note the negative spellpower):
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2699.43 ap 1 0.43 2700.29 0.86 crit rating 1.72 0.74 2700.17 0.74 hit rating 1.59 0.69 2700.11 0.69 expertise rating 0 haste rating 1.88 0.81 2700.24 0.81 armor penetration rating 1.80 0.78 2700.20 0.78 spellpower -0.50 -0.22 2699.21 -0.22 strength 1.10 agility 1.93 intelligence 1.30 mh dps 7.29 3.15 2762.33 62.90 oh dps 4.40 1.90 2737.42 37.99
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 51.70
flurry uptime 91.26%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 72.82%
mh enchant uptime 34.16%
oh enchant uptime 42.11%
trinket1 uptime 47.31%
trinket2 uptime 40.16%
totem uptime 50.28%
set bonus uptime 99.99%
metagem uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1052.71 39% 81.05
windfury 596.35 22.09% 13.39
stormstrike 195.04 7.23% 6.69 47.61 19.56%
lava lash 91.98 3.41% 8.56 30.46 12.51%
searing totem 119.37 4.42% 0.00
earth shock 278.86 10.33% 9.05 76.82 31.55%
lightning bolt 365.00 13.52% 9.36 88.57 36.38%
DPS 2699.30
MPS 243.47
MP2min 29215.89
And for completeness the config:
simulation_time 60000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 15 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 2 ep_crit_rating 1 ep_hit_rating 1 ep_expertise 1 ep_haste_rating 1 ep_armor_penetration_rating 1 ep_spellpower 1 ep_dps 20.0 mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 103.0 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 30.52 oh_crit 30.52 mh_hit 11.73 oh_hit 11.73 mh_expertise_rating 112 oh_expertise_rating 112 ap 2185 haste 6.21 armor_penetration 16.48 str 259 agi 306 int 200 spellpower 655 spell_crit 24.56 spell_hit 14.66 base_mana 5678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 madness_of_the_betrayer trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus skyshatter_harness_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 - glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 use_searing_totem 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 rotation_priority_count 4 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LL miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item -
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Last edited by Pitbuller : 10/12/08 at 5:58 PM.
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I made some changes to the gemming on PTR, lost the pure crit gems(30 cr in total) for hit/ag and replaced 3 of those with 20 AP. Dual WF went down 9 DPS. Sadly made some mistakes with gemming that last round so it hardly made a dent in DPS. I'll have to manually deduct all the gems and experiment with different ones in the sim.
Damn all these synergies!
Edit; Riddle me this: I lose crit, crit EP goes a little up, still only 1.8. I go up in AP which the sim clocks in at 2 with it's relative item budget, yet overall DPS goes down. Melee crit dropped under 30% unbuffed though. My config is based on Pibuller's BestDPSBuild; think I have to go over all the buffs.
Damn all these synergies!
Edit; Riddle me this: I lose crit, crit EP goes a little up, still only 1.8. I go up in AP which the sim clocks in at 2 with it's relative item budget, yet overall DPS goes down. Melee crit dropped under 30% unbuffed though. My config is based on Pibuller's BestDPSBuild; think I have to go over all the buffs.
Last edited by Raut : 10/12/08 at 6:27 PM.
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Originally Posted by Karok(EU)
I just realised it doesnt count the 5-stack mw's but the single mw's, making it a 51.7/5 = 10.34 5-stacks per min which allmost map against the 9.36 "ppm" of LB.
I'll have the sim run with my 1/rating 2-ap stepping again for an hour or 600.000 when I'm off doing worky-stuff and another one the day after. Would it be perhaps be good to lower the default steps of each stat? Or atleast have some concensus on what steps per stat would be more practical then either the really low or really high steps to generate more unified results as people use it? I don't know how you got to 32mw ppm btw Pitbuller, reported ppm is 51.7. The negative spellpower seemed kinda odd, as was the switch from having agi as best stat to having ap beating agi. |
Negative spell power ep value caused by your silly ep ranges. If you add 1spellpower you should get 0.3dps. Sim variance can be over 1dps. Your ep values are noise. Don't trust those. You only proved that two simulator run aren't 100% identically. There is no reason to use so low values. You can only stack one stat with gems. Gems have 20rating/stat.
32mw ppm was mistake actual ppm was 46.6proc per minute
Lightning bolt 365.00 13.52% 9.36 88.57 36.38%
5 * 9.36 = 46.6 procs(used) per minute.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Don't waste your CPU time to that. Use higher ap ep range. You don't gain any accuracy when you use low ap ep range you lose it and big time.
Negative spell power ep value caused by your silly ep ranges. If you add 1spellpower you should get 0.3dps. Sim variance can be over 1dps. Your ep values are noise. Don't trust those. You only proved that two simulator run aren't 100% identically. There is no reason to use so low values. You can only stack one stat with gems. Gems have 20rating/stat. 32mw ppm was mistake actual ppm was 46.6proc per minute Lightning bolt 365.00 13.52% 9.36 88.57 36.38% 5 * 9.36 = 46.6 procs(used) per minute. |
ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 20 //not rating ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5
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Originally Posted by Raut
I made some changes to the gemming on PTR, lost the pure crit gems(30 cr in total) for hit/ag and replaced 3 of those with 20 AP. Dual WF went down 9 DPS. Sadly made some mistakes with gemming that last round so it hardly made a dent in DPS. I'll have to manually deduct all the gems and experiment with different ones in the sim.
Damn all these synergies! Edit; Riddle me this: I lose crit, crit EP goes a little up, still only 1.8. I go up in AP which the sim clocks in at 2 with it's relative item budget, yet overall DPS goes down. Melee crit dropped under 30% unbuffed though. My config is based on Pibuller's BestDPSBuild; think I have to go over all the buffs. |
The cap is 17% on bosses (73) mobs atm. If there's a level 73 dummy somewhere, let me know.
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Originally Posted by Zaurok
I wish there was a level 73 (boss) dummy to test things on as you cannot test +hit gear/gems on the level 70. Why? Because you only require 4% to hit with spells and pretty much everyone has at least 4% spell hit from gear alone making you spell hit capped on a level 70.
The cap is 17% on bosses (73) mobs atm. If there's a level 73 dummy somewhere, let me know. |
No-one have any thoughts about my previous crit for AP remark?
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Originally Posted by Malan
Perhaps if the sim detects that you're going to go over cap (and thus make the stat a 0 weight) the sim should attempt to find a step value that is less than (Stat_Cap - Current_Stat_Value) and run the test again.
Alternatively the report output should additionally state the stat step size could be lowered to produce a valid value. |
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Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen
Tukez:
What was the final decision on Maelstrom Weapon? How many procs per minutes? Also: Watching all the data extraction posts stream by, it really seemed like some forms of haste actually increased the proc rate..... I want to make sure I model it the same way you chose to.... |
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
9.36 lightning bolt per minute.
5 * 9.36 = 46.6 procs(used) per minute. |
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Originally Posted by tukez
I think the difference comes from the fact, that you can't use all the charges every time. Sometime you get more than 5 and those go to waste, but they still show on the MW PPM stat.
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So EnhSim broke somewhere between 0.6.something and 1.3.2 on my RHEL box. Ignore the above slacker stuff, I figured it out.
Patch:
This makes me able to compile EnhSim once again on Linux. Test run shows the same results as on Vista.
Ho... Calculating EP takes time on this thing. God damn. Better look at som -O options.
Patch:
--- EnhSim1.3.2-orig/source/enhsim.cpp 2008-10-08 21:48:26.000000000 +0200 +++ EnhSim1.3.2/source/enhsim.cpp 2008-10-13 11:45:19.733199000 +0200 @@ -441,13 +441,13 @@ if (fire_resistance_ < 0) fire_resistance_ = 0; if (frost_resistance_ < 0) frost_resistance_ = 0; - int effective_nature_resistance = (nature_resistance_ + max((TARGET_LEVEL - ATTACKER_LEVEL) * 5, 0) - min(0/*spell penetration*/, 0)); + int effective_nature_resistance = (nature_resistance_ + std::max((TARGET_LEVEL - ATTACKER_LEVEL) * 5, 0) - std::min(0/*spell penetration*/, 0)); nature_damage_reduction_ = 1.0f - (effective_nature_resistance / (ATTACKER_LEVEL * 5.0f)) * 75.0f / 100.0f; - int effective_fire_resistance = (fire_resistance_ + max((TARGET_LEVEL - ATTACKER_LEVEL) * 5, 0) - min(0/*spell penetration*/, 0)); + int effective_fire_resistance = (fire_resistance_ + std::max((TARGET_LEVEL - ATTACKER_LEVEL) * 5, 0) - std::min(0/*spell penetration*/, 0)); fire_damage_reduction_ = 1.0f - (effective_fire_resistance / (ATTACKER_LEVEL * 5.0f)) * 75.0f / 100.0f; - int effective_frost_resistance = (frost_resistance_ + max((TARGET_LEVEL - ATTACKER_LEVEL) * 5, 0) - min(0/*spell penetration*/, 0)); + int effective_frost_resistance = (frost_resistance_ + std::max((TARGET_LEVEL - ATTACKER_LEVEL) * 5, 0) - std::min(0/*spell penetration*/, 0)); frost_damage_reduction_ = 1.0f - (effective_frost_resistance / (ATTACKER_LEVEL * 5.0f)) * 75.0f / 100.0f; }
Ho... Calculating EP takes time on this thing. God damn. Better look at som -O options.
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Originally Posted by Raut
No-one have any thoughts about my previous crit for AP remark?
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Edit:: And today I retry these tests and I get more dps from the raw AP, so I dont know what to say. Ignore the above anecdote I think.
Last edited by Wolflord : 10/13/08 at 12:19 PM.
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Originally Posted by Karok(EU)
So on the ep-step sizes, would I be correct in asuming the "best" or most logical step sizes would simply be the gem stats? And if so, would it perhaps be good to use gemstats as default?
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EnhSim1.3.3
EnhSim1.3.4
Spell hit goes past cap by 1.58537% (20 hit rating).
Mh expertise goes past cap by 5.28293 expertise (20.8269 expertise rating).
Oh expertise goes past cap by 5.28293 expertise (20.8269 expertise rating).
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline 2911.81
ap 1.00 0.54 2933.53 21.73
crit rating 1.76 0.96 2930.96 19.16
hit rating 1.67 0.91 2930.00 18.19
expertise rating 0
haste rating 2.33 1.27 2937.16 25.35
armor penetration rating 1.65 0.89 2929.68 17.88
spellpower 0.55 0.30 2919.04 7.23
strength 1.10
agility 1.95
intelligence 1.26
mh dps 6.79 3.69 2939.46 27.66
oh dps 3.55 1.93 2926.27 14.46
elapsed simulation time: 100000.00h
MH:
miss 2715969 10.59%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6398363 24.95%
hit 3147725 12.27%
crit 13385722 52.19%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.75%
procs/swings 13.39%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 3795358 47.88%
crit 4131048 52.12%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1890060 47.96%
crit 2051027 52.04%
OH:
miss 2693419 10.50%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6340687 24.72%
hit 3110790 12.13%
crit 13502883 52.65%
OH Windfury:
procs/hits 11.08%
procs/swings 10.21%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 3334113 47.54%
crit 3679137 52.46%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1883948 47.80%
crit 2057139 52.20%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1381029 54.78%
crit 1140091 45.22%
Flame Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1379960 54.74%
crit 1141177 45.26%
dots 10084544.00
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2251500 47.47%
crit 2491478 52.53%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3079538 54.74%
crit 2546556 45.26%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1336811 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 53.02
flurry uptime 97.18%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 81.75%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 35.55%
oh enchant uptime 40.06%
trinket1 uptime 40.16%
trinket2 uptime 40.15%
totem uptime 46.78%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1228.82 42.2% 85.49
windfury 674.42 23.16% 12.45
stormstrike 213.09 7.32% 6.57 24.35 19.35%
lava lash 93.04 3.2% 7.90 14.65 11.64%
earth shock 138.57 4.76% 4.20 23.35 18.55%
flame shock 132.98 4.57% 4.20 17.26 13.71%
lightning bolt 399.54 13.72% 9.38 46.23 36.74%
lightning shield 31.65 1.09% 0.45 0.00 0.00%
DPS 2912.12
MPS 125.83
MP2min 15100.16
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
simulation_time 10000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 30 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 150 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 250 //1000 ms = 1s
###########
#EP RANGES#
###########
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 3 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
ep_dps 7.5
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.60
mh_dps 114.4
oh_dps 107.9
mh_crit 30.20 //%
oh_crit 30.20
mh_hit 11.40 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 11.40
mh_expertise_rating 112 //notice that these are given as rating, 20 rating is about 5 expertise
oh_expertise_rating 112
ap 2137 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
haste 8.56 //%
armor_penetration 17.02 //%
str 109
agi 325
int 210
spellpower 641 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 24.83 //%
spell_hit 14.00 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
base_mana 2958
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue windfury
mh_enchant executioner
oh_enchant mongoose
trinket1 blackened_naaru_sliver
trinket2 shard_of_contempt
totem stonebreakers_totem
set_bonus -
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 -
glyph_major3 -
glyph_major4 -
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 2 //{ 0 | 1 | 2 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 //maximum seconds to wait for LvB cooldown to use MW
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
rotation_priority_count 6
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SS
rotation_priority3 FS
rotation_priority4 ES
rotation_priority5 LL
rotation_priority6 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
##########
miss 9.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 25.00 //%
armor 7700
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 2/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 1/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 1/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 0/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 610/610 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 //%, bloody frenzy, 2nd talent spec TBA
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill
spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of elements, totem of wrath
spellpower_buff 150/150 //focus magic, improved divine spirit, flametongue totem, demonic pact
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 19/19 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 40/40 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom
potion haste_potion
food ravager_dog
misc_item drums_of_battle
I put 14% spell hit (164 hit rating => 13% spell hit +1% draeni Aura), and the ep calculation foundd that I'm 1.58537% (20 hit rating), other the hit cap (I don't use spice_hot_talbuk). Same goes for the Expertise cap, I should only be 2 expertise (not rating) above the expertise cap.
I'm a little surprised at the ep rating I have for haste. It seems that MW scales really well with haste in the sim.
I am using the default enhsim value of 7700. Major arm debuff 2600 Minor 610. Thats strange, I am gonna do some more runs...
What values should I use for the "EP Ranges"? If there is some way to personally figure it out, please help. New to using sims. Thanks ahead of time.
Feedback on the Import from Armoury java program. This has stalled a lot as I've got caught up in improving ShockAndAwe and doing lots of testing. However I just had a lightbulb moment. What if I add an option to ShockAndAwe to export (cut n'paste) your paperdoll, glyph and talent settings.
Tukez would it be possible to add a suitable import option to the sim to make this possible? ie: perhaps some means of allowing paper doll stats to be input separate from the other config options. This would mean that the sim could take two config files. Paper doll stats, glyphs & talents file and a buffs, rotations, config options file.
Is this idea possible or something you would consider? If so I can add in some of the stuff I'd planned for the java app to ShockAndAwe so that players could simply click a button to create the paperdoll/glyph/talent export data format.
This would then completely isolate any work I'm doing from changes to EnhSim, as one of the issues with the Java App I was struggling with was how to interpret the config file if you had made changes - eg: adding new parameters.
With a separate paper doll/glyph/talent file and a buffs/rotations/settings file, the only time changes would be needed to the format of the paper doll file would be if blizzard changed the stats or talents.
Is this a possibility?
Tukez would it be possible to add a suitable import option to the sim to make this possible? ie: perhaps some means of allowing paper doll stats to be input separate from the other config options. This would mean that the sim could take two config files. Paper doll stats, glyphs & talents file and a buffs, rotations, config options file.
Is this idea possible or something you would consider? If so I can add in some of the stuff I'd planned for the java app to ShockAndAwe so that players could simply click a button to create the paperdoll/glyph/talent export data format.
This would then completely isolate any work I'm doing from changes to EnhSim, as one of the issues with the Java App I was struggling with was how to interpret the config file if you had made changes - eg: adding new parameters.
With a separate paper doll/glyph/talent file and a buffs/rotations/settings file, the only time changes would be needed to the format of the paper doll file would be if blizzard changed the stats or talents.
Is this a possibility?
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I'm not a big fan of mods that have way to many functions rolled into one. Why not just make it a separate mod instead? I personally don't use ShockAndAwe, that's why I'm asking.
Now that I think of it, might be nice to implement and EquivalencePoints like functionality into the mod that exports your stats, haven't tried EquivalencePoints yet this patch, but I presume it to be dead.
Now that I think of it, might be nice to implement and EquivalencePoints like functionality into the mod that exports your stats, haven't tried EquivalencePoints yet this patch, but I presume it to be dead.
Last edited by Stopokingme : 10/17/08 at 7:44 AM.
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Originally Posted by Stopokingme
I'm not a big fan of mods that have way to many functions rolled into one. Why not just make it a separate mod instead? I personally don't use ShockAndAwe, that's why I'm asking.
Now that I think of it, might be nice to implement and EquivalencePoints like functionality into the mod that exports your stats, haven't tried EquivalencePoints yet this patch, but I presume it to be dead. |
As for writing a separate mod. Why? ShockAndAwe is aimed at being a mod for Enh Shammys to give them everything they need to work the most efficiently. Having a very specific feature that is only of relevance to Enh Shammys sits perfectly with an Enh Shammy mod!!
Also since you don't use it I suspect you are not aware that the design philosophy is to make all parts of the mod optional so that users use as much or as little as they like, yet have it all in one mod tightly focused on ONLY Enh Shammys. ie: I won't put in totem management, or things of generic benefit to shammys its going to be purely for Enh Shammys. This design philosophy means that users can use it for just the export feature if they don't want the other parts and the other parts will be turned off and not executed at all, thus acting as if it was a smaller mod.
Sorry if my post came out as offensive, it wasn't meant to be. It's just that my experiences with mods with a lot of functions aren't to good I guess, which has made me look for separate smaller addons to get the functionality I want.
Regardless, considering the sim is taking more of a general approach as well, aiming at enhancement and elemental shamans right now, the elementals might feel a bit silly installing an enhancement mod just so they can export stats.
Anyway, before I come of again as bashing your idea again, I like your idea, would make life simpler for all of us. Didn't know about the modular design, might not have been implemented yet when I tried earlier versions of your mod, but I guess I can live with being able to turn stuff of
Regardless, considering the sim is taking more of a general approach as well, aiming at enhancement and elemental shamans right now, the elementals might feel a bit silly installing an enhancement mod just so they can export stats.
Anyway, before I come of again as bashing your idea again, I like your idea, would make life simpler for all of us. Didn't know about the modular design, might not have been implemented yet when I tried earlier versions of your mod, but I guess I can live with being able to turn stuff of
Any chance of getting a Mac version of this program done? I don't have a pc around to use this, and it sounds really great.
Yeah the early versions of ShockAndAwe was all or nothing. I have substantially re-written it with the goal of being modular that it uses only what you want it to use. Eventually I hope to make it with sub modules so that you only load what you choose to use. This design I feel meets both objectives a single mod (thus easy updating) with lots of user choice as to what features to use/or not.
On the Sim and Macs. It would be fantastic if someone who has a Mac and a bit of technical knowledge would volunteer to compile a mac version of the Sim. At present Tukez supplies all the source code, all we need is someone to compile that code and upload the mac executables. This would need to be done whenever there was a new sim uploaded.
It should be fairly straightforward once you have done it once, it could be scripted to simply ftp get the new source code compile it and ftp post the new executable back to the site again. We just need that someone with a Mac.
On the Sim and Macs. It would be fantastic if someone who has a Mac and a bit of technical knowledge would volunteer to compile a mac version of the Sim. At present Tukez supplies all the source code, all we need is someone to compile that code and upload the mac executables. This would need to be done whenever there was a new sim uploaded.
It should be fairly straightforward once you have done it once, it could be scripted to simply ftp get the new source code compile it and ftp post the new executable back to the site again. We just need that someone with a Mac.
Hi everyone,
Long-time reader, first time poster. I use a Mac and would love to help compile a Mac version. I have tech knowledge but no programming knowledge, although I do have a developer friend who does, so I could probably get something done this weekend?
Looking over this thread, I assume that calculating the EP values for us is still the subject of on-going research (hence the simulator!). Looking at the most recent values posted by people, it seems that while individual runs do vary, the EP figures for each stat are more or less in the same range.
While calculations are on-going, would it be appropriate as a stop-gap measure to just take an average of the EP values for use in things like Pawn or Lootrank?
Long-time reader, first time poster. I use a Mac and would love to help compile a Mac version. I have tech knowledge but no programming knowledge, although I do have a developer friend who does, so I could probably get something done this weekend?
Looking over this thread, I assume that calculating the EP values for us is still the subject of on-going research (hence the simulator!). Looking at the most recent values posted by people, it seems that while individual runs do vary, the EP figures for each stat are more or less in the same range.
While calculations are on-going, would it be appropriate as a stop-gap measure to just take an average of the EP values for use in things like Pawn or Lootrank?
Are people unable to compile EnhSim with gcc on Macs, or are you using other compilers? I've requested actual compile errors from Mac users earlier to try to help solve the problem. There's no actual information from anyone trying right now, just "it didn't compile".
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I just think no one has put their head above the water and said "I'm happy to be the regular compiler (pun not intentional) of the Mac version". The individuals who have tried compiling for a Mac before have been solo users who have as you said just replied "it didn't compile" which is useless. As a non mac user I can't help.
Hopefully if Rosboeuf is up to the challenge between us we can get any issues sorted out and get him regularly compiling the sim and uploading the executable as a service to the mac users and that part of the Enh Shammy community.
Rosboeuf if you could pull down the latest code from the source and try to compile it - check earlier in this thread for details about a processor threading issue. If it works great, if not see if your developer friend can help if not then post the actual error so those of us that can debug these things can get it working.
Once its working, getting permissions to upload it somewhere can be sorted, and we can update the thread with details so mac users can use the sim "out of the box" too. It would then just be a case of you keeping on top of updates and re-compiling when Tukez releases a new version. This would mean a slight lag for Mac users but its better than nothing for those who have no clue what a compiler is.
On the EP values the problem is at present putting in a big effort to establish a base EP values is not hugely productive when things may change and we only have a couple of weeks until Wrath anyway. What will be a lot more productive is producing stable EP values for Naxx geared and beyond shamans. Of course we may need pre-Naxx values too but these should quickly lose usefulness.
Hopefully if Rosboeuf is up to the challenge between us we can get any issues sorted out and get him regularly compiling the sim and uploading the executable as a service to the mac users and that part of the Enh Shammy community.
Rosboeuf if you could pull down the latest code from the source and try to compile it - check earlier in this thread for details about a processor threading issue. If it works great, if not see if your developer friend can help if not then post the actual error so those of us that can debug these things can get it working.
Once its working, getting permissions to upload it somewhere can be sorted, and we can update the thread with details so mac users can use the sim "out of the box" too. It would then just be a case of you keeping on top of updates and re-compiling when Tukez releases a new version. This would mean a slight lag for Mac users but its better than nothing for those who have no clue what a compiler is.
On the EP values the problem is at present putting in a big effort to establish a base EP values is not hugely productive when things may change and we only have a couple of weeks until Wrath anyway. What will be a lot more productive is producing stable EP values for Naxx geared and beyond shamans. Of course we may need pre-Naxx values too but these should quickly lose usefulness.
Last edited by Levva : 10/17/08 at 10:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Are people unable to compile EnhSim with gcc on Macs, or are you using other compilers? I've requested actual compile errors from Mac users earlier to try to help solve the problem. There's no actual information from anyone trying right now, just "it didn't compile".
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Thanks Levva. I will take a look tonight/tomorrow morning and will post a detailed update here.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Well in prior attempts gcc failed out complaining about the formatting of the file. Now when I tried last week, I couldn't get it to recognize where the Boost lib was at. It kept complaining that the files didn't exist, even though I was providing the linkage to gcc.
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Removed the rubbish
Last edited by Ronboar : 10/17/08 at 7:15 PM.
I am still getting 5dps higher with exec/goose, can someone please check if something in my config file is abnormal or if this result is legit?
2x Goose = 3068dps
Goose/Exec = 3073dps
simulation_time 500
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 6
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 0
max_lag 0
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 300
ep_crit_rating 100
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 5
ep_haste_rating 300
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 300
ep_dps 7.5
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.60
mh_dps 100.2
oh_dps 107.9
mh_crit 28.72
oh_crit 28.72
mh_hit 17.47
oh_hit 17.47
mh_expertise_rating 102
oh_expertise_rating 83
ap 2175
haste 4.62
armor_penetration 13
str 114
agi 369
int 252
spellpower 653
spell_crit 18.08
spell_hit 14.35
base_mana 3780
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue windfury
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose (just changed here to Executioner)
trinket1 berserkers_call
trinket2 shard_of_contempt
totem stonebreakers_totem
set_bonus skyshatter_harness_4
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 lightning_shield
glyph_major3 -
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
rotation_priority_count 5
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 ES
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 LS
miss 9.00
dodge 6.50
glancing 25.00
armor 7700
spell_miss 17.00
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 0/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
armor_debuff_major 2600/2600
armor_debuff_minor 610/610
physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 381/381
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff 150/150
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 19/19
agi_and_strength_buff 98/98
intellect_buff 40/40
flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food spice_hot_talbuk
misc_item -
2x Goose = 3068dps
Goose/Exec = 3073dps
simulation_time 500
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 6
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 0
max_lag 0
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 300
ep_crit_rating 100
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 5
ep_haste_rating 300
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 300
ep_dps 7.5
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.60
mh_dps 100.2
oh_dps 107.9
mh_crit 28.72
oh_crit 28.72
mh_hit 17.47
oh_hit 17.47
mh_expertise_rating 102
oh_expertise_rating 83
ap 2175
haste 4.62
armor_penetration 13
str 114
agi 369
int 252
spellpower 653
spell_crit 18.08
spell_hit 14.35
base_mana 3780
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue windfury
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose (just changed here to Executioner)
trinket1 berserkers_call
trinket2 shard_of_contempt
totem stonebreakers_totem
set_bonus skyshatter_harness_4
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 lightning_shield
glyph_major3 -
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
rotation_priority_count 5
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 ES
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 LS
miss 9.00
dodge 6.50
glancing 25.00
armor 7700
spell_miss 17.00
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 0/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
armor_debuff_major 2600/2600
armor_debuff_minor 610/610
physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 381/381
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff 150/150
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 19/19
agi_and_strength_buff 98/98
intellect_buff 40/40
flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food spice_hot_talbuk
misc_item -
So I just made a quick and dirty java-app to calculate mean ep values for me and give me a string to import it into EquivalencePoints (which is quite useful but I think there might be some problems after 3.0 because of the new stats, so it has to be updated somehow)
You can download it from here: EPMeaner (what a great name)
EPMeaner Source
The usage:
Copy your Enhsim output into a single file.
(Should look like this:
Do not delete anything, especially no double spaces because I use them to split up the results)
Go into a nice console and type something like "java EPMeaner EP.txt"
Then you will hopefully get something like this:
You can copy and paste the import string under "session import" in EP config menu.
Actually I was to lazy to calculate AP and Strength so they are hardcoded to 1 and 1.1
The java file was compiled on JDK 1.6 on Windows but I don't think I used some great stuff so it should work on every machine.
You can download it from here: EPMeaner (what a great name)
EPMeaner Source
The usage:
Copy your Enhsim output into a single file.
(Should look like this:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2698.94 ap 1.00 0.48 2718.29 19.35 crit rating 1.25 0.60 2704.97 6.03 hit rating 4.06 1.96 2718.56 19.62 expertise rating 3.89 1.88 2734.75 35.81 haste rating 0.66 0.32 2702.13 3.19 armor penetration rating 1.40 0.68 2712.51 13.57 spellpower 1.16 0.56 2704.54 5.60 strength 1.10 agility 1.85 intelligence 1.17 mh dps 7.07 3.42 2724.60 25.66 oh dps 3.94 1.91 2713.25 14.31 EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2696.86 ap 1.00 0.58 2720.01 23.16 crit rating 1.91 1.11 2707.92 11.06 hit rating 3.66 2.12 2718.04 21.18 expertise rating 3.55 2.06 2735.91 39.05 haste rating 0.92 0.53 2702.17 5.31 armor penetration rating 1.46 0.85 2713.81 16.95 spellpower 1.36 0.79 2704.75 7.90 strength 1.10 agility 2.06 intelligence 1.27 mh dps 6.24 3.62 2723.97 27.11 oh dps 3.69 2.13 2712.87 16.01 .....
Go into a nice console and type something like "java EPMeaner EP.txt"
Then you will hopefully get something like this:
Mean AP EP: 1.00 Mean strength EP: 1.10 Mean agility EP: 1.8283333333333331 Mean intelligence EP: 1.1849999999999998 Mean crit rating EP: 1.2616666666666667 Mean hit rating EP: 3.73 Mean expertise rating EP: 3.681666666666666 Mean haste rating EP: 0.6966666666666667 Mean armor penetration rating EP: 1.405 Mean spellpower EP: 1.215 Equivalence Points import string: ^1^T^SCR_SPELLHIT^N3.73^SATTACKPOWER^N1.0^SCR_SPELLHASTE^N0.6966666666666667^SDM G^N1.215^SCR_HIT^N3.73^SCR_EXPERTISE^N3.681666666666666^SSTR^N1.1^SINT^N1.184999 9999999998^SCR_SPELLCRIT^N1.2616666666666667^SCR_CRIT^N1.2616666666666667^SCR_HA STE^N0.6966666666666667^SAGI^N1.8283333333333331^SIGNOREARMOR^N1.405^t^^
Actually I was to lazy to calculate AP and Strength so they are hardcoded to 1 and 1.1
The java file was compiled on JDK 1.6 on Windows but I don't think I used some great stuff so it should work on every machine.
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a few suggestions:
Dragonstrike
Hyjal Rings
SSO Necks Aldor/Scryer
minor glyphs
THanks
Dragonstrike
Hyjal Rings
SSO Necks Aldor/Scryer
minor glyphs
THanks
Last edited by chadbrochill : 10/17/08 at 5:09 PM.
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Originally Posted by Shamanzomg
I am still getting 5dps higher with exec/goose, can someone please check if something in my config file is abnormal or if this result is legit?
2x Goose = 3068dps Goose/Exec = 3073dps simulation_time 500 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 5 ep_haste_rating 300 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 300 ep_dps 7.5 mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 100.2 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 28.72 oh_crit 28.72 mh_hit 17.47 oh_hit 17.47 mh_expertise_rating 102 oh_expertise_rating 83 ap 2175 haste 4.62 armor_penetration 13 str 114 agi 369 int 252 spellpower 653 spell_crit 18.08 spell_hit 14.35 base_mana 3780 |
Your hit looks very High. This sim is different then Yo!'s in that you only enter the paper doll's hit, not the extras you get from talent points.
I'll check you stats in my sim now though, see if it can be re-created
EDIT: Found it. Your Armor penetration is entered as the rate, not the %. You have to use the % in the sim. In your case, that 13 arP rating is worth 2.43%. The sim thinksyou have 13% passive ArP right now.
If I run your stats using 11.47% hit from gear, and the right ArP %, I get 2,850 DPS using Both Executioner and Mongoose.
P.S. I have you with 3/3 Static shock, and 3/3 Elemental Devastation. I do not believe both of these are possible at 70 using your config. You have to give up a point somewhere in the enhancement. i.e. 4/5 maelstrom or some sort.
Last edited by ChaguraED : 10/17/08 at 5:48 PM.
A question about expertise in this sim.
I have the SoC trinket and the searing grip gloves for a grand total of 62 expertise rating. This gives me 15 expertise.
When i put my expertise rating into the sim (62) it tells me that I am over the cap.
My config
And the EP
As far as I can tell this means that my expertise is weighted to low in the EPs. Any help would be appreciated.
I have the SoC trinket and the searing grip gloves for a grand total of 62 expertise rating. This gives me 15 expertise.
When i put my expertise rating into the sim (62) it tells me that I am over the cap.
My config
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mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 100.3 oh_dps 100.3 mh_crit 25.69 oh_crit 25.69 mh_hit 13.06 oh_hit 13.06 mh_expertise_rating 62 oh_expertise_rating 62 ap 1893 haste 2.79 //% armor_penetration 3.92 //% str 188 agi 341 int 134 spellpower 567 spell_crit 18.12 spell_hit 16.33 base_mana 2958 |
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Set bonus not found. Spell hit goes past cap by 2.49537% (31.48 hit rating). Mh expertise goes past cap by 9.6 expertise (37.8462 expertise rating). Oh expertise goes past cap by 9.6 expertise (37.8462 expertise rating). EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 1352.70 ap 1.00 0.32 1365.40 12.70 crit rating 2.17 0.69 1366.47 13.77 hit rating 1.45 0.46 1361.88 9.18 expertise rating 1.59 0.51 1392.58 39.89 haste rating 1.48 0.47 1362.08 9.38 armor penetration rating 1.65 0.52 1363.18 10.49 spellpower 0.77 0.24 1358.57 5.87 strength 1.00 agility 1.76 intelligence 1.29 mh dps 6.31 2.00 1367.73 15.03 oh dps 3.31 1.05 1360.57 7.88 elapsed simulation time: 110000.00h elapsed real time: 236.50s simulation speed: 1674418x |
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Originally Posted by Ronboar
A question about expertise in this sim.
I have the SoC trinket and the searing grip gloves for a grand total of 62 expertise rating. This gives me 15 expertise. When i put my expertise rating into the sim (62) it tells me that I am over the cap. My config And the EP As far as I can tell this means that my expertise is weighted to low in the EPs. Any help would be appreciated. |
At the start of the sim, there is the EP steps. What this means is that for each of those values, it'll add that stat in that amount and test your DPS again. So for Crit=20, that means it'll add 20 crit and test your DPS again to see how it improves it.
In your case, your current Expertise, plus the step, is over the expertise cap. So its warning you that the expertise it's adding isn't quite accurate, since a certain amount of it is over the cap.
Yuo can try to lower the step size of EP, and see if that fixes it (try like half the default value)
Tukez - new build changes inbound that will affect the sim. See details in my post on the Enh Shammy thread
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t27014-e...32/#post942152
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t27014-e...32/#post942152
What I've taken to doing is running the sim generated numbers through lootrank, and the taking the link from lootrank and importing that into EQP mod. I've just unsure how to account for armor pen now... a value of .25 roughly puts armor pen value at what i'd expect it to be but it just me guessing, any tips on how to handle that stat now?
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Originally Posted by ChaguraED
At the start of the sim, there is the EP steps. What this means is that for each of those values, it'll add that stat in that amount and test your DPS again. So for Crit=20, that means it'll add 20 crit and test your DPS again to see how it improves it.
In your case, your current Expertise, plus the step, is over the expertise cap. So its warning you that the expertise it's adding isn't quite accurate, since a certain amount of it is over the cap. Yuo can try to lower the step size of EP, and see if that fixes it (try like half the default value) |
Worked like a charm! thanks.
Maybe a line could be added for the dim witted (like me).
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########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated. #EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps. ########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the //increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase. //If your paperdoll value plus the EP range gets you over the cap for that particular skill, the simulator will rate the EP accordingly. |
Well I am wondering if I'm doing something wrong, because I get ridiculous values for haste, sometimes they are negative. I only have 1.33% haste so I don't believe that I stacked to much of it.
Perhaps someone can point at a wrong config:
Perhaps someone can point at a wrong config:
simulation_time 20000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 600000 report_count 80 threads 3 min_lag 20 max_lag 70 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 10 ep_hit_rating 10 ep_expertise 5 ep_haste_rating 10 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 10 ep_dps 0 mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 103 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 28 oh_crit 28 mh_hit 10.53 oh_hit 10.53 mh_expertise_rating 15 oh_expertise_rating 15 ap 2116 haste 1.33 armor_penetration 9.86 str 205 agi 419 int 232 spellpower 635 spell_crit 18.71 spell_hit 14.16 base_mana 2678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 dragonspine_trophy trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 - glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LS rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 ST miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 381/381 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item drums_of_battle
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Originally Posted by Malan
They do not consume the debuff. Only the DD does.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Yes...or you mean it doesn't get the benefit at all?
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Also "Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s." This is right but NPc do not chain cast and right interval then bumbep up to 2.5-2.6s
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Originally Posted by Sorry
Just tested this on the PTR.
Flameshock DoTs benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges. |
Well that's odd. Oh well, can't complain about that I guess.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Well that's odd. Oh well, can't complain about that I guess. |
EnhSim1.1.2
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Originally Posted by Aximous
In the future could you add some kind of scrolling ability to the gui? I can see only the half of it on a 17" monitor in 1024*768. The parts that are right from the half of buff column aren't visible in any way in this resolution.
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-Fixed Searing totem interval to 2.55s.
-Lightning Shield changed not to consume SS debuff, but still gain the benefit.
enhsim - Google Code
Now when you maximize the window, you'll get scroll bar.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Well that's odd. Oh well, can't complain about that I guess. |
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Last edited by Rouncer : 09/24/08 at 1:32 PM.
When you run ep values. How do you do it?
You must edit start_ep_calculation file or else it's run wrong 70lvl exe file.
I bet you Rounced get too low spell damage ep value becouse of that.
80lvl ep values.
Notes: Expertice don't seem so important anymore. Int seems to be ok. Haste value is low but armor penetration flat out suck.
Damage values and breakdown:
Notes: Spell damage overcomes melee damage very early stages of gear.
Config: Almoust same that I have posted in this thread before. Normally I cap spell hit but If I do it when running ep values but then people just don't understand how high value hit have. I used Wf and SS glyphs.
You can get couple more dps if you get more comlex rotation but those are too hard to do at in-game.
Config:
If you see some fancy about config say so becouse this is next base config file.
You must edit start_ep_calculation file or else it's run wrong 70lvl exe file.
enhsim_lvl80.exe config.txt ep
80lvl ep values.
D:\Sim2>enhsim_lvl80.exe 80.txt ep EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4274.80 ap 1 0.54 4435.37 160.57 crit rating 2.09 1.12 4386.43 111.63 hit rating 3.10 1.66 4399.17 124.37 expertise rating 1.85 0.99 4354.81 80.01 haste rating 1.39 0.74 4423.17 148.37 armor penetration rating 0.68 0.36 4305.76 30.96 spellpower 1.26 0.68 4477.63 202.83 strength 1.10 agility 2.07 intelligence 1.34 elapsed simulation time: 90000.00h
Damage values and breakdown:
DPS PPM MPS white 1183.41 27.68% 109.30 windfury 498.98 11.67% 5.90 flametongue 442.84 10.36% 71.55 stormstrike 201.13 4.7% 6.69 22.46 25.44% lava lash 123.99 2.9% 8.38 9.62 10.89% searing totem 255.69 5.98% 0.00 earth shock 170.63 3.99% 3.17 11.69 13.24% flame shock 264.45 6.19% 5.83 6.77 7.67% lava burst 616.51 14.42% 5.35 20.28 22.97% lightning bolt 352.62 8.25% 5.05 17.48 19.79% lightning shield 165.22 3.86% 0.83 0.00 0.00% DPS 4275.48
Config: Almoust same that I have posted in this thread before. Normally I cap spell hit but If I do it when running ep values but then people just don't understand how high value hit have. I used Wf and SS glyphs.
You can get couple more dps if you get more comlex rotation but those are too hard to do at in-game.
Config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 75 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_penetration_rating 85 ep_spellpower 300 mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 20.0 oh_crit 20.0 mh_hit 8.0 oh_hit 8.0 mh_expertise_rating 50 oh_expertise_rating 50 ap 2500 haste 0 armor_penetration 0 str 150 agi 500 int 50 spellpower 750 spell_crit 15 spell_hit 11 base_mana 2678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 berserkers_call trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 - glyph_major4 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 fs rotation_priority2 mw_lvb rotation_priority3 mw_lb rotation_priority4 ss rotation_priority5 es rotation_priority6 ls rotation_priority7 ll miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 1/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item drums_of_battle
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Few things.
1. How do you have 11% spell hit but only 8% melee hit? Especially since Dual Wield Spec gives 6% melee hit. Change it to 10% spell hit and 14% melee hit. (since 10% spell hit is equal to 8% melee hit). If it's because Dual Wield spec doesn't show on the paper doll then just reduce the Spell hit to 10% so that it is equal to the Melee Hit. 2. Your crit percentages are a bit off. Raise the Intellect to 166 and then they are fine, since 500 Agi gives 6% melee crit + 5% for Thundering Strikes = 9% from crit rating. Then Spell crit would be 9% from gear + 5% from Thundering Strikes + 1% from the 166 Intellect. 3. As for the ep values wouldn't it make more sense for them to be worked on a 1% basis? Something like: ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 33 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 38 That way all the ratings are worth a 1% change in value and the AP and Spellpower are an equal ilevel budget to those ratings values. By using that as the stepping stone between values shouldn't the results be more accurate? |
Spell hit should be 10%.(dw spec don't show at paper doll)
Intellect should be something higher. 166 sound pretty good.
Ep ranges was high when I tested with lower simulated times. Your values look pretty much better.
I edited config and sended it to Tukez.
Can probably put together an Automator script that would ask them to point to the config file they want to use.
Excellent sounds like with some team work you will have managed to get the Mac users sorted.
Hello to all.
This is my first post here but i'm following this forum since long long time
I'm making this reply to ask you more information about this results that comes out from EnhSim calculating EP Values.
As you can see i'm already spell hit capped but the simulator still says that hit rating worth 2.97 (more than crit rating and haste rating). Since i'm not sure about this results i'm asking you if those values are correct (and then i have to go for hit rating gems) or not. In the case they are not correct, any idea about how much hit rating can worth ? Since i have to use this value to compare some equipment pieces that i have (T6 chest and gloves vs Badge Ones)
Thank you for your anwers
This is my first post here but i'm following this forum since long long time
I'm making this reply to ask you more information about this results that comes out from EnhSim calculating EP Values.
Config File simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 180 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 150 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_penetration_rating 600 ep_spellpower 300 ep_dps 20.0 mh_speed 2.80 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 100.2 oh_dps 100.2 mh_crit 26.76 oh_crit 26.76 mh_hit 10.72 oh_hit 10.72 mh_expertise_rating 11 oh_expertise_rating 16 ap 2191 haste 3.30 armor_penetration 2.43 str 186 agi 355 int 324 spellpower 791 spell_crit 21.22 spell_hit 13.40 base_mana 4376 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 madness_of_the_betrayer trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus skyshatter_harness_2 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 rotation_priority_count 0 miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 0/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 0/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 armor_debuff_major 0/2600 armor_debuff_minor 0/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/19 agi_and_strength_buff 0/98 intellect_buff 0/40 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item - ------------------------------ Simulator ------------------------------ Spell hit goes past cap by 8.29024% (104.585 hit rating). EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 611.77 ap 1.00 0.15 656.00 44.23 crit rating 2.49 0.37 648.47 36.70 hit rating 2.97 0.44 677.56 65.79 expertise rating 3.46 0.51 631.90 20.13 haste rating 2.49 0.37 685.24 73.47 armor penetration rating 3.16 0.47 891.67 279.90 spellpower 0.28 0.04 624.14 12.37 strength 1.00 agility 2.32 intelligence 1.11 mh dps 8.63 1.27 637.22 25.44 oh dps 3.04 0.45 620.73 8.96 elapsed simulation time: 11000.00h elapsed real time: 24.41s simulation speed: 1622551x
Thank you for your anwers
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Originally Posted by scalax
Hello to all.
This is my first post here but i'm following this forum since long long time I'm making this reply to ask you more information about this results that comes out from EnhSim calculating EP Values. As you can see i'm already spell hit capped but the simulator still says that hit rating worth 2.97 (more than crit rating and haste rating). Since i'm not sure about this results i'm asking you if those values are correct (and then i have to go for hit rating gems) or not. In the case they are not correct, any idea about how much hit rating can worth ? Since i have to use this value to compare some equipment pieces that i have (T6 chest and gloves vs Badge Ones) Thank you for your anwers |
You show 13.40% Spell hit. The boss has 17.00% spell miss chance. That's 3.6% you're missing. Thus hit rating is showing as Hugely valuable.
If you enable the 3% Spell hit buff in raid buffs, then you'll be 0.6% short. If you change your warp burger to Spicy Hot Talbuk, then you'll cross the spell hit cap, and get the Valid EP ratings.
EDIT: After looking closer, you have inputted Massive EP steps to test. They should be a fraction of that size, such as 40AP, and 20 Crit rating.
And it looks like you've disabled all spell casts anyways? Your config file has you only auto-attacking.
Rotation_priority_count=0 should be 4 or 5, and have all the spells that you'd be using in it.
Just auto attacking will give way different results then a proper rotation.
Your config.txt should have something like this in it:
rotation_priority_count 5
rotation_priority1 ES
rotation_priority2 MW5_LB
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 LS
Last edited by ChaguraED : 10/20/08 at 1:55 PM.
Thanks for your answer ChaguraED, with your help i have understanded better the functioning of this simulator.
I have changed the configuration accordingly (i left warp burger since i'm interested about a raid environment with +3% hit) and this are the results:
Still the hit rating is valuable but now i know why
edit: pasted wrong config file
I have changed the configuration accordingly (i left warp burger since i'm interested about a raid environment with +3% hit) and this are the results:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 1360.54 ap 1.00 0.28 1371.76 11.22 crit rating 2.18 0.61 1372.78 12.24 hit rating 2.66 0.75 1375.44 14.90 expertise rating 3.41 0.96 1371.84 11.30 haste rating 1.91 0.54 1371.27 10.74 armor penetration rating 1.51 0.42 1369.02 8.49 spellpower 0.99 0.28 1367.20 6.66 strength 1.00 agility 1.95 intelligence 1.21 mh dps 6.18 1.73 1373.55 13.01 oh dps 2.79 0.78 1366.40 5.86 elapsed simulation time: 11000.00h elapsed real time: 47.92s simulation speed: 826360x ------------------------------------ Configuration File ------------------------------------ simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 180 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 mh_speed 2.80 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 100.2 oh_dps 100.2 mh_crit 26.76 oh_crit 26.76 mh_hit 10.72 oh_hit 10.72 mh_expertise_rating 11 oh_expertise_rating 16 ap 2191 haste 3.30 armor_penetration 2.43 str 186 agi 355 int 324 spellpower 791 spell_crit 21.22 spell_hit 13.40 base_mana 4376 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 madness_of_the_betrayer trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus skyshatter_harness_2 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 ES rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 0/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 0/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 armor_debuff_major 0/2600 armor_debuff_minor 0/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/19 agi_and_strength_buff 0/98 intellect_buff 0/40 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item -
edit: pasted wrong config file
Those do look reasonable.
Here are my current EP values according to the Sim:
EP
STR 1.10
AGI 2.02
AP 1.00
CRIT 2.06
HIT 2.14
HST 1.80
Apn 1.49
EXP 3.55
STA
INT 1.34
META 75.00
That's with nearly full raid buffs (I ran my sims with the buffs I tend to have in real raids) My Config is at the bottom
The Meta gem value is from the old EP calculations. I assume it's gone up a few points now that it's affecting our spell crits.
Hit is still very valuable, since it directly affects our chance to proc Maelstrom Weapons. My only suggestion would be to change your simulation_time in the config.txt to something higher, like 5,000 or 10,000. that will take longer to run, but offer more stable EP Values.
Here are my current EP values according to the Sim:
EP
STR 1.10
AGI 2.02
AP 1.00
CRIT 2.06
HIT 2.14
HST 1.80
Apn 1.49
EXP 3.55
STA
INT 1.34
META 75.00
That's with nearly full raid buffs (I ran my sims with the buffs I tend to have in real raids) My Config is at the bottom
The Meta gem value is from the old EP calculations. I assume it's gone up a few points now that it's affecting our spell crits.
Hit is still very valuable, since it directly affects our chance to proc Maelstrom Weapons. My only suggestion would be to change your simulation_time in the config.txt to something higher, like 5,000 or 10,000. that will take longer to run, but offer more stable EP Values.
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#SHAMAN###
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mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.50
mh_dps 96.5
oh_dps 103.0
mh_crit 25.24 //%
oh_crit 25.24
mh_hit 10.42 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 10.42
mh_expertise_rating 58 //notice that these are given as rating, 20 rating is about 5 expertise
oh_expertise_rating 38
ap 1885 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
haste 8.94 //%
armor_penetration 2.43 //%
str 115
agi 410
int 214
spellpower 587 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 16.94 //%
spell_hit 13.37 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
base_mana 2958
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | - }
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | - }
trinket1 hourglass_of_the_unraveller
trinket2 darkmoon_card_crusade
totem stonebreakers_totem
set_bonus -
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2 windfury_weapon
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 2 //{ 0 | 1 | 2 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
rotation_priority_count 4
rotation_priority1 ES
rotation_priority2 MW5_LB
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 LL
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#BOSS#####
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miss 9.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 25.00 //%
armor 7700
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 3/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 0/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 5/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 0/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 0/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
#########
#BUFFS###
#########
armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0/610 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/2.0 //%, bloody frenzy, 2nd talent spec TBA
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill
spell_damage_debuff 0.0/10.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of elements, totem of wrath
spellpower_buff 150/150 //focus magic, improved divine spirit, flametongue totem, demonic pact
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 19/19 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 40/40 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############
flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom
potion haste_potion
food spice_hot_talbuk
misc_item drums_of_battle
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Originally Posted by tukez
Questions:
-What is the PPM of Shamanistic Rage and how does it work(haste affects how)? -How should I model Judgement of Wisdom? -Is there anything else besided mp5, normal mana regen, Water Shield, Shamanistic Rage, Mana Spring Totem, Replenishment and Judgement of Wisdom, that generate mana? -Should WF proc Static Shock now? AFAIK, WF doesn't proc Static Shock currently, but after the change maybe? |
They've just updated JoW in the latest beta patch, so it might be easier to sim. The old equation was (AP*0.09)+(SP*0.09) per proc. This double dipping is why Enhance shaman are currently crushing on the mana regen. This has been changed to 2% of Total mana. It's a chance on hit (50%?) with an internal cooldown of 4 seconds. For my own purposes on spreadsheets, I've been treating it as 2% total mana/5.
Currently, Manaspring totem stacks, so if you are going to include that option in the sim, could I request the option to toggle an additional shaman's totem?
As I have absolutely no experience with macs, is there any restriction in using Java on Macs?
I could perhaps write a new Java-based GUI which recognizes the system its running on and can replace the Windows GUI. Using Java only for the GUI has no performance impact on the simulator itself. And so we could make a package with GUI + win executables + mac executables. (if it is that easy)
I could perhaps write a new Java-based GUI which recognizes the system its running on and can replace the Windows GUI. Using Java only for the GUI has no performance impact on the simulator itself. And so we could make a package with GUI + win executables + mac executables. (if it is that easy)
Java works fine on Macs as long as you stick to the "pure java" stuff and don't use platform specific extensions. There's a blurb on Apple's site that says what you can expect Mac users to have: http://developer.apple.com/java. You don't want to use anything outside of that standard distribution, since I believe Apple's distribution is the only one really available for Macs.
I think someone else (levva?) was working on a java gui too, might check with him to see what he's got done.
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So I finally decided to try out this sim and I'm getting what I think is weird results. Can someone check this over and see if I messed something up or something looks weird? I'm getting an armor pen EP rating of 2.21 and its my highest EP stat and that just seems wrong to me.
EDIT: I'm dumb and I made the same mistake as the guy above and didn't change my EP ranges from default, rerunning the sim, will post results.
EDIT 2:Heres the results with fixed EP ranges, and I think I still managed to mess something up because I got a negative value for haste rating.
EDIT: I'm dumb and I made the same mistake as the guy above and didn't change my EP ranges from default, rerunning the sim, will post results.
EDIT 2:Heres the results with fixed EP ranges, and I think I still managed to mess something up because I got a negative value for haste rating.
simulation_time 100000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 30 max_lag 60 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 23 ep_hit_rating 17 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 17 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 30 ep_dps 7.5 mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 114.4 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 29.4 oh_crit 29.4 mh_hit 11.22 oh_hit 11.22 mh_expertise_rating 112 oh_expertise_rating 112 ap 2300 haste 5.14 armor_penetration 25.12 str 123 agi 377 int 218 spellpower 690 spell_crit 21.88 spell_hit 14.03 base_mana 2678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 dragonspine_trophy trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus skyshatter_harness_2 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 lightning_bolt glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 rotation_priority_count 4 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 3047.86 ap 1.00 0.56 3070.13 22.27 crit rating 1.90 1.06 3072.24 24.37 hit rating 1.81 1.01 3064.99 17.13 expertise rating 0 haste rating -2.90 -1.61 3020.45 -27.41 armor penetration rating 1.86 1.03 3063.37 15.50 spellpower 0.53 0.29 3056.66 8.80 strength 1.10 agility 2.02 intelligence 1.34 mh dps 6.92 3.85 3076.76 28.90 oh dps 3.71 2.06 3063.34 15.47 elapsed simulation time: 1000000.00h elapsed real time: 1034.39s simulation speed: 3480312x
Last edited by spanko : 10/20/08 at 6:15 PM.
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Originally Posted by spanko
So I finally decided to try out this sim and I'm getting what I think is weird results. Can someone check this over and see if I messed something up or something looks weird? I'm getting an armor pen EP rating of 2.21 and its my highest EP stat and that just seems wrong to me.
EDIT: I'm dumb and I made the same mistake as the guy above and didn't change my EP ranges from default, rerunning the sim, will post results. EDIT 2:Heres the results with fixed EP ranges, and I think I still managed to mess something up because I got a negative value for haste rating. |
Priority Window
Not sure if there's a version i missed (just been updating with Curse Client) but the latest build I downloaded will not allow me to hide the Priority frame
What the heck does that have to do with the simulator? Try the thread in the UI forum.
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Originally Posted by ChaguraED
I would assume based on the passive haste you have now, and that you're using WF/WF, any more haste will push you over a plateu in the WF 3 second CD, which will actually hurt the time until you can proc you next WF, thus reducing DPS. to confirm, could you try throwing on 4% more passive haste, and see if it spits a negative value again?
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You can see flukes, but haste is a dodgy stat for enhance due to the 3 sec rule. I've had everything between 1.9-something to my current 0.31. If the sim gave you such a large negative EP, chances are that the haste you currently have is hurting your DPS. Try to insert -10 haste in the EP section and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Malan
I think someone else (levva?) was working on a java gui too, might check with him to see what he's got done.
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The Armory also suffers from the problem of having buffs up when logged out, so the armoury figures are not the "paper doll" figures that EnhSim suggests. All this led me to think that armoury based stats was not the way to go and in game export of stats was.
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Originally Posted by Mengus
Not sure if there's a version i missed (just been updating with Curse Client) but the latest build I downloaded will not allow me to hide the Priority frame
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Originally Posted by Raut
You can see flukes, but haste is a dodgy stat for enhance due to the 3 sec rule. I've had everything between 1.9-something to my current 0.31. If the sim gave you such a large negative EP, chances are that the haste you currently have is hurting your DPS. Try to insert -10 haste in the EP section and see what happens.
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When did the "1.5 - 1.4 attackspeed will lower your DPS" idea get back in the discussion? I was convinced that people generally agreed on this not being the case?
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Originally Posted by Ronboar
When did the "1.5 - 1.4 attackspeed will lower your DPS" idea get back in the discussion? I was convinced that people generally agreed on this not being the case?
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I think.
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Originally Posted by Ronboar
When did the "1.5 - 1.4 attackspeed will lower your DPS" idea get back in the discussion? I was convinced that people generally agreed on this not being the case?
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Add additional haste after that and you will reach a point where the increased number of white hits will offset the lost windfury proc opportunities but since the EP for haste was set at 17 it was only adding 17 additional haste and then seeing what it did to the overall dps and since that 17 Haste rating was enough to bring it from above 1.5 to under 1.5 it showed a negative value for haste altogether.
It was shown a few pages back that it's a lot less than 1/10th of a second of speed though, it's actually an extremely narrow band that causes the issue. Overall I'd say it's not something to worry about.
So... we can still agree that the <1.5 problem is narrowed down to a very tiny hole right after 1.5 attackspeed. And that the risk of actually ingame ending up at that point is minor. But it will still give some extreeme EP-stats when you hit it?
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I'd say it is something to keep in mind. If we agree that the sim is correct, sim results show that juggling haste can actually lower your DPS(however slightly) so one should tread carefully. Getting a negative EP for haste is a strong indication of this(can't really say proof as we're working with empirical observations and not mathematical proofs).
Edit: To reach 1.5 weapon speed on a 2.6 weapon we need 11.11% haste from gear, is this correct? 2.6/(1.2*1.3*(1+X/100)) = 1.5. Wonder why I'm seeing the drop in haste EP at just 3.11 % haste. Are there any raid buff I'm missing? Included are WF totem and Flurry.
Edit: To reach 1.5 weapon speed on a 2.6 weapon we need 11.11% haste from gear, is this correct? 2.6/(1.2*1.3*(1+X/100)) = 1.5. Wonder why I'm seeing the drop in haste EP at just 3.11 % haste. Are there any raid buff I'm missing? Included are WF totem and Flurry.
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Another Mac update:
I've been tinkering with an Automator script that will make the Terminal executable less painful for people who are not comfortable with the command line to use until some kind of GUI is ready. I love the idea of a Java GUI by the way!
I'm still getting used to the simulator myself (as I've only been using it since I compiled the Mac version!), but as I understand it we want to be able to do two things:
1. Run the simulator with your selected config text file
2. Run the simulator to calculate EP values
I haven't looked at start_ep_calculation.bat yet, but I'm assuming these are the two functions of the simulator? 1 is calculating your DPS, 2 is calculating the EP values of stats and attributes?
Regarding the config file reader bug, my friend who got the build up and running fixed it. He says:
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The config loader didn't check for a < 2 character line when it tried to check if the line started with //, so lines with fewer characters generated an exception. I just added a check.
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So that's fixed, and the simulator is working correctly and loading config files (as demonstrated in my results post).
I've been tinkering with an Automator script that will make the Terminal executable less painful for people who are not comfortable with the command line to use until some kind of GUI is ready. I love the idea of a Java GUI by the way!
I'm still getting used to the simulator myself (as I've only been using it since I compiled the Mac version!), but as I understand it we want to be able to do two things:
1. Run the simulator with your selected config text file
2. Run the simulator to calculate EP values
I haven't looked at start_ep_calculation.bat yet, but I'm assuming these are the two functions of the simulator? 1 is calculating your DPS, 2 is calculating the EP values of stats and attributes?
Regarding the config file reader bug, my friend who got the build up and running fixed it. He says:
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The config loader didn't check for a < 2 character line when it tried to check if the line started with //, so lines with fewer characters generated an exception. I just added a check.
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So that's fixed, and the simulator is working correctly and loading config files (as demonstrated in my results post).
First, sorry for my wonderful school english 
. I hope, you can although understand my whishes/recommendations..
- In my opinion, it would be better if you could choose at the „buffs“, which class is in the raid and which buff-option is skilled. When I have to calculate manually how much haste etc. I got from all buffs, the feasibility to get a wrong sim is much higher, as you can choose it via checkbox and the system calculates the right stats.
- A very nice feature would be a gui with equipmodeling and armory-import like rawr.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best gems/enchants/glyphs for my inputted equip.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best rotation (priority) for my inputted equip.
- An exportstring for addons like pawn/equivalence points/etc.
- Why is the standard melee hit at boss only 9%? The stylecap (WF/SS/..) is at 9%, but all whitehits need 28% hit so that they can`t miss (like it is for every other dual wild melee..)
That are a few points, which I figured out when I`ve tried the simulator my first time
. But let me say, you`ve made a good job. Keep it up!
Greetz,
Crafity
. I hope, you can although understand my whishes/recommendations..- In my opinion, it would be better if you could choose at the „buffs“, which class is in the raid and which buff-option is skilled. When I have to calculate manually how much haste etc. I got from all buffs, the feasibility to get a wrong sim is much higher, as you can choose it via checkbox and the system calculates the right stats.
- A very nice feature would be a gui with equipmodeling and armory-import like rawr.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best gems/enchants/glyphs for my inputted equip.
- A possibility to sim/calc the best rotation (priority) for my inputted equip.
- An exportstring for addons like pawn/equivalence points/etc.
- Why is the standard melee hit at boss only 9%? The stylecap (WF/SS/..) is at 9%, but all whitehits need 28% hit so that they can`t miss (like it is for every other dual wild melee..)
That are a few points, which I figured out when I`ve tried the simulator my first time
. But let me say, you`ve made a good job. Keep it up!Greetz,
Crafity
Buff/Debuff work like this list. Use default if you don't understand how these works. You don't have to calculate anything.
Calculate ep values if you want to know best gems.
* Armor Debuff (Major): Acid Spit (exotic Hunter pet), Expose Armor, Sunder Armor
* Armor Debuff (Minor): Faerie Fire, Sting (Hunter pet), Curse of Recklessness
* Physical Vulnerability Debuff: Blood Frenzy, (2nd Talent Spec TBA)
* Melee Haste Buff: Improved Icy Talons, Windfury Totem
* Melee Critical Strike Chance Buff: Leader of the Pack, Rampage
* Attack Power Buff (Flat Add): Battle Shout, Blessing of Might
* Attack Power Buff (Multiplier): Abomination's Might, Trueshot Aura, Unleashed Rage
* Spell Haste Buff: Wrath of Air Totem
* Spell Critical Strike Chance Buff: Moonkin Aura, Elemental Oath
* Spell Critical Strike Chance Debuff: Improved Scorch, Winter's Chill
* Increased Spell Damage Taken Debuff: Ebon Plaguebringer, Earth and Moon, Curse of the Elements
* Increased Spell Power Buff: Focus Magic, Improved Divine Spirit, Flametongue Totem, Totem of Wrath
* Increased Spell Hit Chance Taken Debuff: Improved Faerie Fire, Misery
* Percentage Haste Increase (All Types): Improved Moonkin Aura, Swift Retribution
* Percentage Damage Increase: Ferocious Inspiration, Sanctified Retribution
* Critical Strike Chance Taken Debuff (All types): Heart of the Crusader, Totem of Wrath
* Stat Multiplier Buff: Blessing of Kings
* Stat Add Buff: Mark of the Wild
* Agility and Strength Buff: Strength of Earth Totem, Horn of Winter
* Intellect Buff: Arcane Intellect, Fel Intelligence
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Buff/Debuff work like this list. Use default if you don't understand how these works. You don't have to calculate anything.
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Originally Posted by PaulchenP
First, sorry for my wonderful school english
. I hope, you can although understand my whishes/recommendations..... Greetz, Crafity |
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Originally Posted by tukez
Some of these will be in the new GUI developed by Levva. Btw Levva, how is the development going?
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I'm using the latest version of Eclipse and building something new for me an RCP (Rich Client Platform) app. So there is lots of "architectural" stuff to deal with including integration with SVN access and all that jazz. So the actual basics are in place but I'm getting hampered by the structural stuff.
I suspect what I need to do is take some time out to get all the background stuff sorted so I can actually get on with some coding. My main issue in setting this up is that I develop on 3 different machines. My home PC, my Laptop, and occasionally when I'm otherwise at a loose end - my work PC. I'm the IT Manager so I can get away with it
Getting the structural stuff right so I can port the code between development machines is something that needs to be right before I can get the actual GUI working. That said I've done a fair bit of reading on armory xml parsing etc. Thats because reading poolside with a glass of wine is easier than coding!!
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Tukez check out the other thread to see the discussion so far. What is the reasoning behind the current EP step values in the default config for the sim? Are they meant to be that high and how can they be accurate at that high of a level.
Previous Sim author used EP step values of 40-80 while you are stepping 300 for AP and Spellpower and 150 for hit which doesn't even make any sense to me from an itemization value standpoint since 300 Spellpower is an equivalent EP step to 500 Attackpower not to 300 AP. I think it's skewing the EP values Pitbuller is pulling out of the Sim, especially for Spellpower, and is making the results incredibly unreliable for things like hit rating since the single EP step is already putting the value way over the hit cap. Wouldn't it be better to use a smaller step rating and to scale that step based on the itenmization values for those stats? I set my numbers based on 2x gem values for the stats, would that work or would it be incorrect in some way? |
The high EP ranges in the default config are legacy of bad config, I guess. People reported high variance with EP values(with wow 2.4 version sim) on different simulation runs, so I upped the EP ranges to get reasonable results. If the variance has gone down since, as it seems so, you can safely lower the EP ranges as you see fit. In theory, the more you raise the simulation runtime, the more accurate results you get and the more you can lower the EP ranges.
I'll lower the default EP ranges for next version.
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Originally Posted by Malan
It would be *amazingly* nice if the Sim had an idea of whether you were at hit or expertise cap as well, and accounted for it in the EP step size (not stepping over the caps) and in the results (letting the user know that these ratings are capped and no longer useful).
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Originally Posted by tukez
I would use EP ranges, which one item upgrade gives in stat. For example, I have a chest with 100ap and average upgrade for that piece would give me 50ap more, then I would use 50 for EP range. If you know how EP values/ranges work and are calculated, it makes some kind of sense.
The high EP ranges in the default config are legacy of bad config, I guess. People reported high variance with EP values(with wow 2.4 version sim) on different simulation runs, so I upped the EP ranges to get reasonable results. If the variance has gone down since, as it seems so, you can safely lower the EP ranges as you see fit. In theory, the more you raise the simulation runtime, the more accurate results you get and the more you can lower the EP ranges. I'll lower the default EP ranges for next version. |
Since I was basing them off what adding 2 gems worth of stats would do to the pieces.
Guess that also means we should be running different EP values for level 70 gear and for level 80 since the stat value increase between pieces is significantly more at level 80.
If these look ok to you feel free to use them.
Level 70
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 20
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
Level 80
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 32
ep_hit_rating 32
ep_expertise 32
ep_haste_rating 32
ep_armor_penetration_rating 32
ep_spellpower 38
With those being based on 2x gem values for the gems available at 70 and then the gems that will be available at 80.
Hmm, I`ve sim today my dps with solo buffs and a priority list, that is given with level 70 (MW_LB).
The sim shows me 1458 dps.. I`ve made seven fights with the dummies in OG and got all the time a dps between 1432 and 1453.. So, I think, the sim is running well.
All values were near the sim values.
The sim shows me 1458 dps.. I`ve made seven fights with the dummies in OG and got all the time a dps between 1432 and 1453.. So, I think, the sim is running well.
All values were near the sim values.
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Originally Posted by PaulchenP
Hmm, I`ve sim today my dps with solo buffs and a priority list, that is given with level 70 (MW_LB).
The sim shows me 1458 dps.. I`ve made seven fights with the dummies in OG and got all the time a dps between 1432 and 1453.. So, I think, the sim is running well. All values were near the sim values. |
. Better even if you happened to take a combatlog or some end stat results and the config you used to simulate. It would be nice to see does that combatlog look something like the simulator is spitting out.Edited onundefined
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Originally Posted by Malan
It would be *amazingly* nice if the Sim had an idea of whether you were at hit or expertise cap as well, and accounted for it in the EP step size (not stepping over the caps) and in the results (letting the user know that these ratings are capped and no longer useful).
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Rounced: AP and spell power scale linearly. Ep ranges aren't reason why you get inconsistent numbers(not me, check other thread). You can easily check ep values by hand:
Run sim. Write dps down. Set ap x higher(also remember set spellpower 0.3x higher too). Write dps down. dps/ap = (2nd run - 1st run) / x Reset config to original. Set some stat value higher by value of z. Write dps down. Value of that stat = [(3rd run - 1st run) / z] / (dps/ap) This is what sim do when calculating ep values.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 09/30/08 at 7:11 AM.
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simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 4 min_lag 350 max_lag 400 ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 100 ep_hit_rating 150 ep_expertise 10 ep_haste_rating 200 ep_armor_penetration_rating 600 ep_spellpower 300 mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 97.5 oh_dps 97.5 mh_crit 24.54 oh_crit 24.54 mh_hit 9.61 oh_hit 9.61 mh_expertise_rating 59 oh_expertise_rating 59 ap 1785 haste 1.9 armor_penetration 168 str 224 agi 346 int 273 spellpower 593 spell_crit 18.59 spell_hit 4.52 base_mana 2958 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 bloodlust_brooch trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 - glyph_major2 - glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 use_searing_totem 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 rotation_priority_count 4 rotation_priority1 mw_lb rotation_priority2 fs rotation_priority3 ss rotation_priority4 ll miss 28.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 2/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 armor_debuff_major 0/2600 armor_debuff_minor 0/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20/20 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 83/83 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 0/40 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item -
Screenshot from recount
The screen shows 1451,9 DPS after 306.4 sec, but the fightduration was 300,x sec. So, if you calc 444857/300, you got a dps realy near the sim one.
Only the values aren`t as near together, as today afternoon, but I`m not sure, if I had a piority list like in the list above..
Edit: But there are wrong values, if I choose FT/FT or WF/FT.. WF/FT is simed with ~1400 DPS, but it got ~1564 DPS.. Nice was, at the beginning (with mana) I hold 1800+ DPS. In my opinion, WF/FT is atm the best imbue-mix.
recount screenshot from WF/FT
For you as translation:
Nahkampf = Melee Blitzschlag = LB Angriff des Windzorns = WF Angriff der Flammenzunge = FT Sturmschlag = Stormstrike Flammenschock = Flameshock Lavapeitsche = LL Flammenschock (DoT) = Flameshock (DoT) ----------------- Gestreift = hmm, normally glancing blow, but it must be Crit.. Treffer = hit Miss = miss.. Dodge = dodge..
Last edited by PaulchenP : 09/29/08 at 8:25 PM.
EnhSim1.1.7
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Originally Posted by PaulchenP
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Its mentioned in the post directly above yours.
Enhsim 1.1.8
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Originally Posted by tukez
I'm designing to add support for casting with partial MW stacks. I need to know does the cast time change, if haste changes during casting?
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Originally Posted by Stopokingme
Unless I'm misreading this, this priority system would skip on SS after the first cycle for much longer then it's actual cooldown.
Forgetting MW it leads to this: 0 SS 1.5 ES 7.5 FS 9 SS 13.5 ES 19.5 FS 21 SS Which gives a 12 second gap while there was a perfect slot for SS available at 17 seconds. A better priority system would start at the top again after a succesful step was made, and maybe even check the remaining cooldown on a skill so that you wait say 0.5 seconds instead of firing up a flame shock and using a SS instead. If it already does this then forget what I wrote. |
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Originally Posted by tukez
So I came up with this system for generic rotations:
System consists of fixed rotation slots and those slots are priority lists. The system would use the first slot(priority list) to use the first skill, then move to the next slot and use that list until a skill is available to cast. Move to next slot and so on. After last slot it would move back to the first one. You could also define do you skip the slot and move to next one, if you can't cast any of the skills in that slot. Example rotation: SS ES MW_CL,MW_LB(skip) FS This means start with SS, then ES. Check if MW is ready and CL not on cd: cast CL. Otherwise check if MW is ready: cast LB. If either cannot be done, move to FS. After FS, start again with SS. So to clarify, this rotation consists of 4 priority lists. Only the 3rd one have more than one item in it. What do you think, is this good?. Can you do any kind of rotation with this sytem? Can you make up a better one? Btw, spell casting with duration is almost done. In next version you are able to specify the minimum amount of MW charges to cast. Instead of defining, for example MW_LB, you have to define MW_LB_5 or MW_LB_3. |
use the first skill if available, if not move onto slot 2 use if available, if not move onto slot 3 etc?
ie: every pass it starts at the top, or every pass it starts from where it left off thus potentially missing an earlier higher priority?
BTW given the request for possibilities for MW at less than 5 stacks to see the effects. Can I suggest you rename the above to be MW5_CL & MW5_LB. This then allows MW4_CL etc.
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Originally Posted by Levva
So its a case of every pass of the priority :
use the first skill if available, if not move onto slot 2 use if available, if not move onto slot 3 etc? ie: every pass it starts at the top, or every pass it starts from where it left off thus potentially missing an earlier higher priority? BTW given the request for possibilities for MW at less than 5 stacks to see the effects. Can I suggest you rename the above to be MW5_CL & MW5_LB. This then allows MW4_CL etc. |
MW_LB,SS,FS,ES,LL,LS
Plain fixed rotation with SS, FS and ES would be written like this:
SS FS ES SS ES
Then you can mix fixed and priority rotations together:
SS MW_LB,ES FS MW_CL,MW_LB (skip) LL
0.0s cast SS.
1.5s MW isn't most probably ready yet, so lets check next skill(ES). ES is ready -> cast ES.
7.5s cast FS
9.0s if MW is ready and CL cd is not on, cast CL. Else if MW is ready, cast LB. Else skip this priority list and move to the next one. Let's say MW wasn't ready yet.
9.0s cast LL
10.5s cast SS
And so on.
Hopefully this cleared it up.
About the naming thing, I think your suggestion is good, MW5_LB or whatever makes more sense.
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Last edited by Rouncer : 10/04/08 at 1:17 AM.
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EnhSim 1.2.1
1.2.1
-Maelstrom Weapon is now 12.4 PPM. Removed Lava Burst as an option.
-Flurry changed back to 10/15/20/25/30%.
-Dual Wield Specialization changed back to 2/4/6%.
-You can now specify the minimum amount of charges to use MW. You can also cast spells without MW charges at all, check the config.txt for details.
enhsim - Google Code
Sorry it took so long, I basically had this version ready since yesterday, but it took a while to track down one nasty bug. I hope there aren't any other bugs.
As you see, you can cast spells now without MW, so you can play elemental shaman and spam LB if you feel like it
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EDIT: I forgot to write the instructions for spell casting to config.txt. I'll write it here instead.
Basically the Maelstrom Weapons commands are:
Where x is number 1-5. It means what is the minimum number of MW charges to start casting.
You can cast full duration spells with these commands: LB, CL, LVB. They use MW charges if possible(LB is same as MW0_LB).
MW casting with charges pauses the swing timer and full duration casting resets it.
EDIT 2: Realized that different MW ranks do all the same thing. I guess ppm should increase as you gain ranks up to 12.4? I'll change this to the next version.
-Maelstrom Weapon is now 12.4 PPM. Removed Lava Burst as an option.
-Flurry changed back to 10/15/20/25/30%.
-Dual Wield Specialization changed back to 2/4/6%.
-You can now specify the minimum amount of charges to use MW. You can also cast spells without MW charges at all, check the config.txt for details.
enhsim - Google Code
Sorry it took so long, I basically had this version ready since yesterday, but it took a while to track down one nasty bug. I hope there aren't any other bugs.
As you see, you can cast spells now without MW, so you can play elemental shaman and spam LB if you feel like it
.EDIT: I forgot to write the instructions for spell casting to config.txt. I'll write it here instead.
Basically the Maelstrom Weapons commands are:
MWx_LB MWx_CL
You can cast full duration spells with these commands: LB, CL, LVB. They use MW charges if possible(LB is same as MW0_LB).
MW casting with charges pauses the swing timer and full duration casting resets it.
EDIT 2: Realized that different MW ranks do all the same thing. I guess ppm should increase as you gain ranks up to 12.4? I'll change this to the next version.
Last edited by tukez : 10/04/08 at 9:29 AM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Because it is testing each condition for 1000 hours and since there are 11 conditions that means it takes 11000 hours to do all of them.
Look for what you might be doing wrong first, then look for what might be wrong with the sim. Xoya, I tested it, I'm sure many of us have tested it, it's one of the reasons the original EP values were set as high as they were. Sims are not very precise for that type of calculation except when you run very large EP values which are not very helpful or when you run the sim for thousands and thousands and thousands of hours to attempt to standardize the results. |
Edit to add: if you've tested this very thing, then that's all well and good, but it can't do any harm for me to test it to see for myself!
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Because it is testing each condition for 1000 hours and since there are 11 conditions that means it takes 11000 hours to do all of them.
Look for what you might be doing wrong first, then look for what might be wrong with the sim. Xoya, I tested it, I'm sure many of us have tested it, it's one of the reasons the original EP values were set as high as they were. Sims are not very precise for that type of calculation except when you run very large EP values which are not very helpful or when you run the sim for thousands and thousands and thousands of hours to attempt to standardize the results. |
Again, I appologies. Spell hit beyond the cap doesn't seem to affect EP values. I was a victim of good/bad luck last night. sigh
Some thoughts I've been having about the sim lately...
We currently run, for a simple dps test, 10000 hours with each fight length being 5 hours. I thought to myself, 'That's not very realistic', so I tried running the sim with fight lengths of 1 hour, .5 hours, .25 hours, .13 hours (8 minutes), and .05 hours (3 minutes). I also tried running a sim with a fight length of 10000 hours, which was slightly less inflated than the 5 hour fight length sims, but still inconsistent. Here were my results:
Now for the question.. is the sim not designed to properly handle shorter, more realistic fight lengths? If that is the case, would tukez be able to modify the sim so that it does? Or is my interest in this matter simply pointless?
As a reference, by the way, here is my config:
We currently run, for a simple dps test, 10000 hours with each fight length being 5 hours. I thought to myself, 'That's not very realistic', so I tried running the sim with fight lengths of 1 hour, .5 hours, .25 hours, .13 hours (8 minutes), and .05 hours (3 minutes). I also tried running a sim with a fight length of 10000 hours, which was slightly less inflated than the 5 hour fight length sims, but still inconsistent. Here were my results:
10000 / 10000
DPS PPM MPS
white 1110.71 38.35% 82.37
windfury 426.48 14.73% 6.36
flametongue 238.47 8.23% 53.37
stormstrike 214.25 7.4% 6.91 23.18 20.55
lava lash 118.03 4.08% 8.58 14.40 12.76
earth shock 300.44 10.37% 8.89 35.58 31.53
lightning bolt 393.05 13.57% 8.89 39.67 35.16
lightning shield 94.50 3.26% 0.94 0.00 0.00%
DPS 2895.91
MPS 112.83
MP2min 13539.29
10000 / 5
DPS PPM MPS
white 1151.73 38.88% 85.37
windfury 433.32 14.63% 6.46
flametongue 244.61 8.26% 54.74
stormstrike 214.54 7.24% 6.91 23.21 20.40%
lava lash 117.98 3.98% 8.57 14.38 12.64%
earth shock 300.20 10.13% 8.88 35.54 31.24%
lightning bolt 402.70 13.6% 9.11 40.65 35.73%
lightning shield 96.95 3.27% 0.96 0.00 0.00%
DPS 2962.03
MPS 113.78
MP2min 13653.56
10000 / 1
DPS PPM MPS
white 1405.51 41.64% 103.92
windfury 478.66 14.18% 7.12
flametongue 282.86 8.38% 63.28
stormstrike 216.49 6.41% 6.96 23.36 19.50%
lava lash 117.80 3.49% 8.54 14.33 11.96%
earth shock 298.65 8.85% 8.83 35.36 29.51%
lightning bolt 463.31 13.73% 10.48 46.76 39.03%
lightning shield 111.80 3.31% 1.10 0.00 0.00%
DPS 3375.07
MPS 119.81
MP2min 14377.58
10000 / .99
DPS PPM MPS
white 1408.95 41.68% 104.16
windfury 479.25 14.18% 7.13
flametongue 283.38 8.38% 63.39
stormstrike 216.52 6.4% 6.96 23.37 19.49%
lava lash 117.78 3.48% 8.54 14.33 11.95%
earth shock 298.65 8.83% 8.83 35.35 29.49%
lightning bolt 464.11 13.73% 10.49 46.83 39.07%
lightning shield 112.00 3.31% 1.10 0.00 0.00%
DPS 3380.62
MPS 119.88
MP2min 14386.07
10000 / .5
DPS PPM MPS
white 1626.29 43.57% 120.02
windfury 517.91 13.88% 7.69
flametongue 315.81 8.46% 70.63
stormstrike 217.95 5.84% 7.00 23.48 18.80%
lava lash 117.20 3.14% 8.48 14.23 11.39%
earth shock 297.37 7.97% 8.79 35.20 28.18%
lightning bolt 515.41 13.81% 11.65 52.01 41.63%
lightning shield 124.58 3.34% 1.22 0.00 0.00%
DPS 3732.52
MPS 124.92
MP2min 14990.45
10000 / .25
DPS PPM MPS
white 1785.95 44.89% 131.68
windfury 538.93 13.55% 7.99
flametongue 339.38 8.53% 75.90
stormstrike 218.49 5.49% 7.01 23.51 18.35%
lava lash 115.91 2.91% 8.38 14.06 10.97%
earth shock 295.32 7.42% 8.73 34.95 27.27%
lightning bolt 551.04 13.85% 12.46 55.61 43.40%
lightning shield 133.76 3.36% 1.31 0.00 0.00%
DPS 3978.78
MPS 128.14
MP2min 15376.50
10000 / .13
DPS PPM MPS
white 2081.82 46.76% 153.17
windfury 597.67 13.42% 8.85
flametongue 382.59 8.59% 85.54
stormstrike 219.94 4.94% 7.04 23.64 17.65%
lava lash 112.99 2.54% 8.15 13.68 10.22%
earth shock 290.44 6.52% 8.59 34.37 25.67%
lightning bolt 616.21 13.84% 13.94 62.22 46.46%
lightning shield 150.49 3.38% 1.46 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4452.17
MPS 133.91
MP2min 16069.20
10000 / .05
DPS PPM MPS
white 3040.30 51.68% 222.91
windfury 711.26 12.09% 10.50
flametongue 523.81 8.9% 117.08
stormstrike 222.38 3.78% 7.10 23.83 15.85%
lava lash 106.16 1.8% 7.64 12.82 8.53%
earth shock 275.79 4.69% 8.16 32.66 21.73%
lightning bolt 799.96 13.6% 18.16 81.03 53.90%
lightning shield 203.10 3.45% 1.92 0.00 0.00%
DPS 5882.77
MPS 150.35
MP2min 18041.49
As a reference, by the way, here is my config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length .05 report_count 80 threads 4 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 20 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7 mh_speed 2.80 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 100.2 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 27.84 oh_crit 27.84 mh_hit 10.65 oh_hit 10.65 mh_expertise_rating 112 oh_expertise_rating 112 ap 2142 haste 6.60 armor_penetration 11.21 str 119 agi 282 int 269 spellpower 642 spell_crit 23.34 spell_hit 13.32 base_mana 2678 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 shard_of_contempt trinket2 dragonspine_trophy totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus skyshatter_harness_2 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 2 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 0/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 100.0/100.0 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food warp_burger misc_item drums_of_battle
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Originally Posted by Xoya
Some thoughts I've been having about the sim lately...
We currently run, for a simple dps test, 10000 hours with each fight length being 5 hours. I thought to myself, 'That's not very realistic', so I tried running the sim with fight lengths of 1 hour, .5 hours, .25 hours, .13 hours (8 minutes), and .05 hours (3 minutes). I also tried running a sim with a fight length of 10000 hours, which was slightly less inflated than the 5 hour fight length sims, but still inconsistent. Here were my results: |
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Err... huh. Well then! I just assumed that because the sim length was in hours that the fight length would be in hours, too. Woops. At least now I know how much damage I'd be doing if I had every single buff up, all procs, etc. for a 3 second fight.
Edit: while I am testing things, then, tukez: I don't think the sim properly accounts for the increased WF proc chance when dual-imbuing windfury on weapons. I realize this has been brought up before, and I apologize if my understanding of this is incorrect, but I thought it was made quite clear in the past that double-imbued windfury means that each hands's hits, individually, have a 36% chance to proc windfury.
Now, in the sim, I get the following results when dual-imbuing WF:
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.53%
procs/swings 13.27%
OH Windfury:
procs/hits 12.85%
procs/swings 11.88%
I get the following results when using WF/nothing:
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.98%
procs/swings 13.69%
I get the following results when using WF/FT:
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.99%
procs/swings 13.69%
Clearly something changes in the sim's code when you switch from dual-imbue to single-imbue.. I'm just not sure what, so I'm not sure which change to the code, if any, would be necessary.
Now, if with 3.0 they have removed the increased proc chance when dual-imbuing WF, please let me know!
Edit: while I am testing things, then, tukez: I don't think the sim properly accounts for the increased WF proc chance when dual-imbuing windfury on weapons. I realize this has been brought up before, and I apologize if my understanding of this is incorrect, but I thought it was made quite clear in the past that double-imbued windfury means that each hands's hits, individually, have a 36% chance to proc windfury.
Now, in the sim, I get the following results when dual-imbuing WF:
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.53%
procs/swings 13.27%
OH Windfury:
procs/hits 12.85%
procs/swings 11.88%
I get the following results when using WF/nothing:
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.98%
procs/swings 13.69%
I get the following results when using WF/FT:
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.99%
procs/swings 13.69%
Clearly something changes in the sim's code when you switch from dual-imbue to single-imbue.. I'm just not sure what, so I'm not sure which change to the code, if any, would be necessary.
Now, if with 3.0 they have removed the increased proc chance when dual-imbuing WF, please let me know!
Last edited by Xoya : 10/24/08 at 2:31 AM.
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Originally Posted by Xoya
I don't think the sim properly accounts for the increased WF proc chance when dual-imbuing windfury on weapons. I realize this has been brought up before, and I apologize if my understanding of this is incorrect, but I thought it was made quite clear in the past that double-imbued windfury means that each hands's hits, individually, have a 36% chance to proc windfury.
Now, in the sim, I get the following results when dual-imbuing WF: Clearly something changes in the sim's code when you switch from dual-imbue to single-imbue.. I'm just not sure what, so I'm not sure which change to the code, if any, would be necessary. Now, if with 3.0 they have removed the increased proc chance when dual-imbuing WF, please let me know! |
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I've updated ShockAndAwe v3.30beta3 to export data for EnhSim can people try it and report back any problems in the ShockAndAwe thread please. Even just confirmation that it exports what you expect would be nice.
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In this latest version of the sim, I have Syphon/Badge with WF/FT outperforming both Syphon/Badge with WF/WF and Badge/Badge with WF/WF.
And the 2.5 Speed badge weapon outperforming its faster counterpart when both have FT.
Can anyone confirm similar results?
And the 2.5 Speed badge weapon outperforming its faster counterpart when both have FT.
Can anyone confirm similar results?
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Originally Posted by Teeza
In this latest version of the sim, I have Syphon/Badge with WF/FT outperforming both Syphon/Badge with WF/WF and Badge/Badge with WF/WF.
And the 2.5 Speed badge weapon outperforming its faster counterpart when both have FT. Can anyone confirm similar results? |
As well, it's expected that Slow/Slow is still ideal, but some quirky things are letting some folks do better with a fast OH
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Originally Posted by Teeza
In this latest version of the sim, I have Syphon/Badge with WF/FT outperforming both Syphon/Badge with WF/WF and Badge/Badge with WF/WF.
And the 2.5 Speed badge weapon outperforming its faster counterpart when both have FT. Can anyone confirm similar results? |
That would make sense. WF/WF is not a huge advantage anymore over WF/FT and the badge weapons are 2.5s so they are a bit fast anyway.
Sorry if this will seem directed at you Teeza (it's not) but people really need to stop questioning the Sim for results like this, mechanics have changed dramatically and it will take some time to get used to seeing how things work now. The sim works incredibly well and Tukez has done a remarkable job with it.
This thread should really stop being about people's results and more about ways to either make the Sim better (like all the stuff about getting it to compile on a Mac) or errors in the Sims output or changes in the basic game mechanics that Tukez would need to incorporate into the Sim.
As for reporting errors, to prevent pages of crap again, take a moment to format your issue properly.
1. What were you trying to test?
2. What was the conditional you changed between the samples?
3. Were the dps results consistent between the samples?
4. Is your error greater then 1% from expected (This is in regards to EP calculations and is referring to the DPS figures not the EP figures)?
5. Did you run the Sim for long enough to remove inconsistencies (10,000 hours should be enough to limit them)?
6. If you are a Draenai did you add the 1% spell and melee hit to your stats (raid buffs=raid buffs) prior to running the Sim?
7. Does it really matter?
The last question is probably the most important.
The sim is never going to give perfect results. It relies on RNG to determine it's output so there will always be some inconsistencies. That's fine and doesn't in any way hinder it's practical applications so just because your Hit EP shifted from 1.78 to 1.94 between 2 samples doesn't mean that the Sim is broken in any way. Just increase the time and/or the EP values until you get to a level of consistency that you are happy with.
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One thing I noticed for hit rating (it might be affecting other stats)
On the character sheet, when I eat the +20 hit food, I end up with 13% spell hit. (14% with racial)
I have the +3% hit from debuffs to bring it up to 17%(the cap)
Now the catch is...
I input 14% spell hit in the Sim but leave the food section blank (since I have the effect calculated already)
The EP Range for hit rating is 40
When I calculate, the sim says that the spell hit is over the cap (40 hit rating).
This is fine. It's exactly what I should get
I input the spell hit pre-food of 12.41% in the sim but add the spicy hot talbuk in the food section.
I get 19.8739 hit rating over the cap this time.
I assume this is because the number in % on the character sheet is rounded. Could it be possible to input the hit rating (instead of hit %) to get more precise results?
It wouldn't affect the data by much albeit being more precise.
The same could be said for crit rating, haste, armor penetration and expertise (did I miss any?)
Being that ratings needed for 1% changes as you level up, we'd need to either be able to input the level of the character or having one sim for level 70 and one for level 80.
On a side note, oh/mh expertise rating is a bit miss leading as my rating is 54 but gives me 13 expertise. Not sure how you could name it to make it more clear. It's not a rating, nor is it a value. Maybe just call it expertise?
What do you guys think?
EDIT: Changed the values to 14 and 12.41 (1% from draenei) and lowered debuff to +3% hit. Added more text to avoid confusion
EDIT2: Is it already planned for a future release?
On the character sheet, when I eat the +20 hit food, I end up with 13% spell hit. (14% with racial)
I have the +3% hit from debuffs to bring it up to 17%(the cap)
Now the catch is...
I input 14% spell hit in the Sim but leave the food section blank (since I have the effect calculated already)
The EP Range for hit rating is 40
When I calculate, the sim says that the spell hit is over the cap (40 hit rating).
This is fine. It's exactly what I should get
I input the spell hit pre-food of 12.41% in the sim but add the spicy hot talbuk in the food section.
I get 19.8739 hit rating over the cap this time.
I assume this is because the number in % on the character sheet is rounded. Could it be possible to input the hit rating (instead of hit %) to get more precise results?
It wouldn't affect the data by much albeit being more precise.
The same could be said for crit rating, haste, armor penetration and expertise (did I miss any?)
Being that ratings needed for 1% changes as you level up, we'd need to either be able to input the level of the character or having one sim for level 70 and one for level 80.
On a side note, oh/mh expertise rating is a bit miss leading as my rating is 54 but gives me 13 expertise. Not sure how you could name it to make it more clear. It's not a rating, nor is it a value. Maybe just call it expertise?
What do you guys think?
EDIT: Changed the values to 14 and 12.41 (1% from draenei) and lowered debuff to +3% hit. Added more text to avoid confusion
EDIT2: Is it already planned for a future release?
Last edited by Zaurok : 10/24/08 at 12:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
That would make sense. WF/WF is not a huge advantage anymore over WF/FT and the badge weapons are 2.5s so they are a bit fast anyway.
Sorry if this will seem directed at you Teeza (it's not) but people really need to stop questioning the Sim for results like this, mechanics have changed dramatically and it will take some time to get used to seeing how things work now. The sim works incredibly well and Tukez has done a remarkable job with it. This thread should really stop being about people's results and more about ways to either make the Sim better (like all the stuff about getting it to compile on a Mac) or errors in the Sims output or changes in the basic game mechanics that Tukez would need to incorporate into the Sim. As for reporting errors, to prevent pages of crap again, take a moment to format your issue properly. 1. What were you trying to test? 2. What was the conditional you changed between the samples? 3. Were the dps results consistent between the samples? 4. Is your error greater then 1% from expected (This is in regards to EP calculations and is referring to the DPS figures not the EP figures)? 5. Did you run the Sim for long enough to remove inconsistencies (10,000 hours should be enough to limit them)? 6. If you are a Draenai did you add the 1% spell and melee hit to your stats (raid buffs=raid buffs) prior to running the Sim? 7. Does it really matter? The last question is probably the most important. The sim is never going to give perfect results. It relies on RNG to determine it's output so there will always be some inconsistencies. That's fine and doesn't in any way hinder it's practical applications so just because your Hit EP shifted from 1.78 to 1.94 between 2 samples doesn't mean that the Sim is broken in any way. Just increase the time and/or the EP values until you get to a level of consistency that you are happy with. |
Yeh, I agree completely. That is what this thread should be for, and I also agree that the Sim is fantastic. I have a very stringent theoretical statistical background, and the results it gives and the rate of convergence can do nothing but inspire alot of confidence.
That being said I just got a result that I didnt expect and just wanted someone to validate it so as to not just have me think that I am doing something stupid..
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Originally Posted by Rounced
The thing you aren't accounting for is the 3 second cooldown. Looking at this weeks Brutallus I had a melee strike every 0.66 seconds. Which means 4.5 strikes are automatically ineligible during each cooldown period. That is why the percentage seems low because there are many strikes where windfury is simply ineligible to proc in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Xoya
Well, my question wasn't about the % listed, but rather, about the fact that the % listed doesn't really change from WF-WF to WF-FT to WF-nothing. Hence my curiosity! It would be nice to have a listing of "WF procs / eligible hits" and "WF procs / eligible swings" or somesuch to get an accurate measurement of how it's actually doing things. Or tukez can just tell us! I have no reason to assume he's doing it wrong, just trying to help out in case it is wrong.
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Btw, mana simulations are almost ready. I need to finish couple of things and do some quick testing first.
Could it be possible to add in the "EP module" a dps calculation with other imbue like WF/FT, FT/FT ?
You can just do that yourself manually, you know.
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Originally Posted by Xoya
You can just do that yourself manually, you know.
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I'm really think that it could be something useful.
EP module is for me a tool to see how I could tune/improve my DPS. It could make sense to add an imbue value.
Hoping this isn't answered already (checked a few pages back but couldn't find anything)
The SIM says if I get "MH and OH expertise are over the cap. EP expertise will be skipped"
So I try lowering the EP range of Expertise to 1 and it still says "over". The tooltip says I can imput a negative value and still get a "EP" but I'm not getting anything.
Any advice?
The SIM says if I get "MH and OH expertise are over the cap. EP expertise will be skipped"
So I try lowering the EP range of Expertise to 1 and it still says "over". The tooltip says I can imput a negative value and still get a "EP" but I'm not getting anything.
Any advice?
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Originally Posted by Zaurok
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Being that ratings needed for 1% changes as you level up, we'd need to either be able to input the level of the character or having one sim for level 70 and one for level 80. ... |
Last edited by Mindrila : 10/24/08 at 5:43 PM. Reason: forgot ,
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simulation_time 15000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 20 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 103.0 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 26.30 oh_crit 26.30 mh_hit 11.73 oh_hit 11.73 mh_expertise_rating 125 oh_expertise_rating 125 ap 2212 haste 4.19 armor_penetration 7.56 str 137 agi 398 int 189 spellpower 663 spell_crit 17.99 spell_hit 14.66 base_mana 5513 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 dragonspine_trophy trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 lightning_shield glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 use_searing_totem 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 rotation_priority_count 4 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 2/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 armor_debuff_major 0/2600 armor_debuff_minor 0/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 381/381 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 0/40 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion - food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item -
Using this set-up doesn't give me a value for my expertise, it just skips it all together, which makes trying to imput values in Loot Rank for WoW not very helpful.
Last edited by Shegokigo : 10/24/08 at 5:54 PM.
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Originally Posted by Shegokigo
mh_expertise_rating 125 oh_expertise_rating 125 Using this set-up doesn't give me a value for my expertise, it just skips it all together, which makes trying to imput values in Loot Rank for WoW not very helpful. |
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Originally Posted by ganrak
With that in your expertise its still capped. Presuming this is for level 70 that is. The cap for expertise is around 104 if i remember correctly, so you'd need to input something lower to get an EP value for expertise.
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Originally Posted by ganrak
With that in your expertise its still capped. Presuming this is for level 70 that is. The cap for expertise is around 104 if i remember correctly, so you'd need to input something lower to get an EP value for expertise.
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Originally Posted by ChaguraED
And currently the sim is correct, your EP value for Expertise is 0.0 . Adding more expertise will have no impact on your expertise, so lowering it artificially to get a value would not be a good idea.
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Originally Posted by Shegokigo
I try to input something lower. All the way to ZERO and it still skips it. I try and use negative numbers to get an idea what to gear without dropping UNDER the cap.
My above reply is what I'm currently questioning as "what to do". |
are you changing the EP value or your expertise value?
If changing EP then just make the value negative so that it will take you under the cap and that will give you an EP value.
If changing your Exp value and you are getting that, then you broke the Sim, since the sim seems to work fine for everyone else I'm gonna guess its the first option.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
are you changing the EP value or your expertise value?
If changing EP then just make the value negative so that it will take you under the cap and that will give you an EP value. If changing your Exp value and you are getting that, then you broke the Sim, since the sim seems to work fine for everyone else I'm gonna guess its the first option. |
I can't put it on any "POSITIVE" numbers or it skips it. I can put it in negative, but my question is WHAT value negative should I put for a realistic EP value? -20? -50? I need a value for Exp that I can weigh my gear on for replacing a piece of expertise I'm wearing right now (Hydross Shoulders, Vashj Belt, T6 Bracer, T6 Boots, Shard of Contempt). With another piece of Sunwell/MH/BT, but without the right EP weights, I can't use lootrank to balance them out.
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Originally Posted by Shegokigo
I can't put it on any "POSITIVE" numbers or it skips it. I can put it in negative, but my question is WHAT value negative should I put for a realistic EP value? -20? -50? I need a value for Exp that I can weigh my gear on for replacing a piece of expertise I'm wearing right now (Hydross Shoulders, Vashj Belt, T6 Bracer, T6 Boots, Shard of Contempt). With another piece of Sunwell/MH/BT, but without the right EP weights, I can't use lootrank to balance them out.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Remove them all and input those paper doll stats and that should give you the values to determine which ones to put on. Then you don't need to go negative on your EP values since then you will be under the Exp cap in the first place.
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My head is beginning to hurt.....
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Originally Posted by Shegokigo
I can't put it on any "POSITIVE" numbers or it skips it. I can put it in negative, but my question is WHAT value negative should I put for a realistic EP value? -20? -50? I need a value for Exp that I can weigh my gear on for replacing a piece of expertise I'm wearing right now (Hydross Shoulders, Vashj Belt, T6 Bracer, T6 Boots, Shard of Contempt). With another piece of Sunwell/MH/BT, but without the right EP weights, I can't use lootrank to balance them out.
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The sim is useful, but it seems far more important, to me, to actually simulate useful things that can't be answered easily through other means. In this case you know that expertise has a high value before the cap and zero value afterwards. The problem with lootrank is if you give expertise a value you'll find that things like the "tanking" M'uru trinket have an abnormally high value compared to anything else when in reality you don't need expertise since you're capped already.
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Originally Posted by Shegokigo
Well, If I take off shoulders I'm still over exp cap, if I take off belt, I'm dead on exp cap. My question is if I de-equip them all and put in those paper doll stats, will it correctly weigh the rest of my stats other than Exp or do I just get the value of exp (from wearing none) and input that value in Lootrank, reequip them again, get the values for all non-exp stats and find those values?
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How can you not understand how to use EP to evaluate gear choices when there is a cap involved? This really doesn't belong in this thread since it has nothing to do with the Sim and honestly I don't think it belongs in any of these threads since it really is pretty dumb. One last time and then I wipe my hands of this.
Take off all the pieces you are choosing between.
In this case that means every piece with expertise.
Stick your paperdoll stats into the sim.
Take the values from there and stick them in lootlink.
Weigh the pieces against each other and combine them until you get to the Exp cap with the best possible total EP value.
Then stop and rerun lootlink with 0 as the EP value for expertise.
For every spot that does not have any gear now use gear ranking to fill them with all the options.
That is you ideal set from your current gear. Then you have a lootrank page for items that have expertise on them and a lootrank page for items once you are over the expertise cap. You may end up over the cap using this method and that is fine if the item is ranked highly on the lootrank page with 0 as the EP value for Exp then it is a better item then the other choices even though the Expertise is doing nothing.
Using download from site of v1.3.4.rar and exporting to a directory and doing nothing other than double clicking on EnhSimGUI I am getting :
This suggests the default config file as supplied has data that the GUI doesn't like.
I was experimenting with simply cutting and pasting the test export from ShockAndAwe and got this error. If you click continue the sim still loads. The EnhSim.exe accepts the config file just fine however. Also noted that saving the file once loaded then reads in just fine, so its probably some of the comment stuff it doesn't like.
I'd also point out that if you can rearrange the config file so all the stuff got from paper doll is at the end (or beginning) in one consecutive block, then the save routine from the GUI needs to output in the same fashion.
Cutting and pasting values from v3.30 to the version saved by EnhSimGUI seems to work just fine.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
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I was experimenting with simply cutting and pasting the test export from ShockAndAwe and got this error. If you click continue the sim still loads. The EnhSim.exe accepts the config file just fine however. Also noted that saving the file once loaded then reads in just fine, so its probably some of the comment stuff it doesn't like.
I'd also point out that if you can rearrange the config file so all the stuff got from paper doll is at the end (or beginning) in one consecutive block, then the save routine from the GUI needs to output in the same fashion.
Cutting and pasting values from v3.30 to the version saved by EnhSimGUI seems to work just fine.
I want to try out a new Look and Feel Library I found on the web, so could someone with a mac test this tiny application an tell me if it looks fine or if it looks ugly?
When it looks ugly I can skip learning to use it, but if it looks fine I'm going to use it.
Tiny (Copyrigth of this app goes to Karsten Lentzsch from jgoodies.com)
When it looks ugly I can skip learning to use it, but if it looks fine I'm going to use it.
Tiny (Copyrigth of this app goes to Karsten Lentzsch from jgoodies.com)
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Originally Posted by Mindrila
I want to try out a new Look and Feel Library I found on the web, so could someone with a mac test this tiny application an tell me if it looks fine or if it looks ugly?
When it looks ugly I can skip learning to use it, but if it looks fine I'm going to use it. Tiny (Copyrigth of this app goes to Karsten Lentzsch from jgoodies.com) |
In my Java GUi for EnhSim, I want to program one so that our beloved Macusers have one too. This Tiny program is only to demonstrate the capabilities of the look and feel library. Sorry for not mentioning it.
I have a question about what settings in the config file mostly effect when you run an EP sim?
Does it actually use all of them for that, or could we use a more simplified config for just doing EP values?
Sorry if this was answered in some way already and I just didn't find it, and haven't seemed to figure it out yet. (my computer is a bit slow...
Does it actually use all of them for that, or could we use a more simplified config for just doing EP values?
Sorry if this was answered in some way already and I just didn't find it, and haven't seemed to figure it out yet. (my computer is a bit slow...
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Originally Posted by Mindrila
In my Java GUi for EnhSim, I want to program one so that our beloved Macusers have one too. This Tiny program is only to demonstrate the capabilities of the look and feel library. Sorry for not mentioning it.
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I got this error
10/25/08 4:29:33 PM [0x0-0x332332].com.apple.JarLauncher[8417] Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/jgoodies/looks/Options
10/25/08 4:29:33 PM [0x0-0x332332].com.apple.JarLauncher[8417] at Tiny.configureUI(Tiny.java:76)
10/25/08 4:29:33 PM [0x0-0x332332].com.apple.JarLauncher[8417] at Tiny.main(Tiny.java:60)
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EnhSim 1.4.2
1.4.2
-Mana simulation added. Config option is simulate_mana.
-Added glyphs Glyph of Lava, Glyph of Lava Lash and Glyph of Water Mastery.
-Changed Glyph of Flame Shock to increase duration by 6s and LvB not to consume it.
-Fixed bug with Flame Shock dots.
-Unrelenting Storm added.
-Shamanistic Rage added to rotation. Option is SR. You can control SR usage with cast_sr_only_if_mana_left.
-Fixed Lava Burst base damages to 1151 and 1355.
-Fixed Lava Burst crit damage modifiers to current known mechanics. Crit damage: base damage + crit bonus damage * ( 100% + Elemental Fury + Lava Flows + other bonus %).
-Spirit, mana and mp5 added to base stats. Base_mana removed. EP value calculations added for spirit, mana and mp5. Changed some consumables to give spirit too.
-Added message to inform if part of some EP value is missing because of skipped tests.
-Added buffs Water Shield, Replenishment, Mana Spring Totem, Blessing of Wisdom and Judgement of Wisdom.
-If spell_crit_chance_buff is greater than 0, Elemental Oath is disabled.
-Mana Potions added. You can control the usage with use_mana_potion_if_mana_left.
-Skycall Totem fixed to give only spell haste.
-Fixed Glyph of Earth Shock mechanics.
-Added race, mh_weapon and oh_weapon config options. You don't manually have to add draenei hit bonus or orc's axe bonus anymore.
-Fixed Earth Shock mana cost to 18%.
enhsim - Google Code
A lot of stuff, so there are probably bugs. I suggest you take the results of this version with a grain of salt.
About the FS bug I found, I'm not sure how much did it affect the previous versions, but people might want to test again, if FS is viable.
In the statistics, MRPS means mana regen per second. The last MRPS is mana regen including overregen.
Intelligence's EP value is calculated from mp5(through Unrelenting Storm), spirit, ap(Mental Dexterity), mana and spell crit.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, that Shamanistic Rage's ppm is set to 15. I just made that up, fee free to correct.
-Mana simulation added. Config option is simulate_mana.
-Added glyphs Glyph of Lava, Glyph of Lava Lash and Glyph of Water Mastery.
-Changed Glyph of Flame Shock to increase duration by 6s and LvB not to consume it.
-Fixed bug with Flame Shock dots.
-Unrelenting Storm added.
-Shamanistic Rage added to rotation. Option is SR. You can control SR usage with cast_sr_only_if_mana_left.
-Fixed Lava Burst base damages to 1151 and 1355.
-Fixed Lava Burst crit damage modifiers to current known mechanics. Crit damage: base damage + crit bonus damage * ( 100% + Elemental Fury + Lava Flows + other bonus %).
-Spirit, mana and mp5 added to base stats. Base_mana removed. EP value calculations added for spirit, mana and mp5. Changed some consumables to give spirit too.
-Added message to inform if part of some EP value is missing because of skipped tests.
-Added buffs Water Shield, Replenishment, Mana Spring Totem, Blessing of Wisdom and Judgement of Wisdom.
-If spell_crit_chance_buff is greater than 0, Elemental Oath is disabled.
-Mana Potions added. You can control the usage with use_mana_potion_if_mana_left.
-Skycall Totem fixed to give only spell haste.
-Fixed Glyph of Earth Shock mechanics.
-Added race, mh_weapon and oh_weapon config options. You don't manually have to add draenei hit bonus or orc's axe bonus anymore.
-Fixed Earth Shock mana cost to 18%.
enhsim - Google Code
A lot of stuff, so there are probably bugs. I suggest you take the results of this version with a grain of salt.
About the FS bug I found, I'm not sure how much did it affect the previous versions, but people might want to test again, if FS is viable.
In the statistics, MRPS means mana regen per second. The last MRPS is mana regen including overregen.
Intelligence's EP value is calculated from mp5(through Unrelenting Storm), spirit, ap(Mental Dexterity), mana and spell crit.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, that Shamanistic Rage's ppm is set to 15. I just made that up, fee free to correct.
Last edited by tukez : 10/27/08 at 6:38 AM.
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Can you clarify which mp5 figure is required. The config.txt file is silent on the matter - I'd assume its in combat regen rate rather than the ooc headline figure given on paper doll?
Looking through the config file to check I've covered things in ShockAndAwe I noted that the GUI has a small bug :
On changing some stats and saving the file it misspells oh_weapon as oh_waepon and if you initially load a file with a - it seems to save a blank. I suspect it may be due to the misspelling mismatching the value?
Suggested config layout for putting paperdoll stuff at the end :
v3.41 of ShockAndAwe supplies most of the data now, it is missing the tooltip scraping data for weapon dps, set bonuses, meta gems. Also I need to add the glyph info. However whilst working out what you have for this is missing it still exports the option name with a - as a value for users to manually fill in.
I also noted in the priorities there is an option for Lightning Shield but Water Shield is under buffs and consumables - could this cause a conflict? Given the sim now does mana calcs it might be better under priorities so the sim can't accidentally calculate water shield and lightning shield benefits combined.
Edit: Noted that there is still an option "wait MW if LvB left" in the GUI - I would have said this is redundant now that LvB cannot be instant cast off MW.
The options "Cast LS only if charges left", "cast SR only if mana left" and "use mana potion if mana left" suffer from copy n paste syndrome. Their tooltips are the same as the two items above them.
Looking through the config file to check I've covered things in ShockAndAwe I noted that the GUI has a small bug :
On changing some stats and saving the file it misspells oh_weapon as oh_waepon and if you initially load a file with a - it seems to save a blank. I suspect it may be due to the misspelling mismatching the value?
Suggested config layout for putting paperdoll stuff at the end :
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 2500 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 0 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 0 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 1 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 3 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 2 //{ 0 | 1 | 2 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left 0.0 //maximum seconds to wait for LvB cooldown to use MW
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast sr
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 7
rotation_priority1 SR
rotation_priority2 LVB
rotation_priority3 FS
rotation_priority4 SS
rotation_priority5 ES
rotation_priority6 LL
rotation_priority7 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
##########
miss 9.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 25.00 //%
armor 7700
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 0/2600 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0/610 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/2.0 //%, bloody frenzy, 2nd talent spec TBA
melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/10.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill
spell_damage_debuff 0.0/10.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of elements, totem of wrath
spellpower_buff 0/150 //focus magic, improved divine spirit, flametongue totem, demonic pact
spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath
stat_multiplier 0.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 0/19 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 0/98 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 0/40 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength | - }
guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food spice_hot_talbuk
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup | - }
misc_item drums_of_battle
// { drums_of_battle | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
race orc //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 1.40
mh_dps 100.3
oh_dps 107.9
mh_crit 31.42 //%
oh_crit 31.42
mh_hit 8.05 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 8.05
mh_expertise_rating 112 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 112
ap 1866 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
haste 6.47 //%
armor_penetration 10.42 //%
str 277
agi 289
int 208
spi 100
spellpower 560 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 26.18 //%
spell_hit 13.00 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
max_mana 6000
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | - }
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | - }
mh_weapon axe
oh_weapon axe
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 madness_of_the_betrayer
trinket2 shard_of_contempt
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | - }
totem stonebreakers_totem
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | - }
set_bonus skyshatter_harness_4
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | - }
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 -
glyph_major2 -
glyph_major3 -
glyph_major4 -
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 0/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 0/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/5
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
I also noted in the priorities there is an option for Lightning Shield but Water Shield is under buffs and consumables - could this cause a conflict? Given the sim now does mana calcs it might be better under priorities so the sim can't accidentally calculate water shield and lightning shield benefits combined.
Edit: Noted that there is still an option "wait MW if LvB left" in the GUI - I would have said this is redundant now that LvB cannot be instant cast off MW.
The options "Cast LS only if charges left", "cast SR only if mana left" and "use mana potion if mana left" suffer from copy n paste syndrome. Their tooltips are the same as the two items above them.
Last edited by Levva : 10/28/08 at 8:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by Mindrila
In my Java GUi for EnhSim, I want to program one so that our beloved Macusers have one too. This Tiny program is only to demonstrate the capabilities of the look and feel library. Sorry for not mentioning it.
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I dug around and there appears to be a set of java bindings for it too: jwx! - wxWidgets for Java
EDIT: In my haste to communicate my previous experience to you, I missed that those bindings are still in Alpha. Oh well...
Last edited by pdpi : 10/28/08 at 8:28 AM. Reason: Ooops
When I do a 'simulate' I am showing unleashed rage as 0% uptime even though I have the full 5 points added in the talent screen.
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Originally Posted by Saabu
When I do a 'simulate' I am showing unleashed rage as 0% uptime even though I have the full 5 points added in the talent screen.
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i'm confused as to how to work with this sim and the EP values it spits out.
I exported my data using ShockAndAwe, added it into the config.txt and filled in what it couldn't export like weapon speed (Why not I don't know)
I ran the sim, got my EP values, and added them to Pawn
I then swapped my gear / gems around based on what Pawn was telling me was better, using the EP values the sim gave me.
Then I exported my data again, and ran the sim again, and then added the new EP values to Pawn.
And then Pawn was telling me my previous gear was better, after I just re-gemmed all my other items... so how the hell does this work?
with the Java sim, I did exactly the same thing, got my EP values, put them into the game, and chose my gear like that.. but this just doesn't seem to be working? what am I doing wrong?
I exported my data using ShockAndAwe, added it into the config.txt and filled in what it couldn't export like weapon speed (Why not I don't know)
I ran the sim, got my EP values, and added them to Pawn
I then swapped my gear / gems around based on what Pawn was telling me was better, using the EP values the sim gave me.
Then I exported my data again, and ran the sim again, and then added the new EP values to Pawn.
And then Pawn was telling me my previous gear was better, after I just re-gemmed all my other items... so how the hell does this work?
with the Java sim, I did exactly the same thing, got my EP values, put them into the game, and chose my gear like that.. but this just doesn't seem to be working? what am I doing wrong?
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Originally Posted by Paradox
i'm confused as to how to work with this sim and the EP values it spits out.
I exported my data using ShockAndAwe, added it into the config.txt and filled in what it couldn't export like weapon speed (Why not I don't know) I ran the sim, got my EP values, and added them to Pawn I then swapped my gear / gems around based on what Pawn was telling me was better, using the EP values the sim gave me. Then I exported my data again, and ran the sim again, and then added the new EP values to Pawn. And then Pawn was telling me my previous gear was better, after I just re-gemmed all my other items... so how the hell does this work? with the Java sim, I did exactly the same thing, got my EP values, put them into the game, and chose my gear like that.. but this just doesn't seem to be working? what am I doing wrong? |
Accounting for caps isnt something that can be easily automated with any tools we currently have. Try upgrading from your old gear one piece at a time and generating new EP values after each piece. Watch your hit % before you choose an upgrade and see if it will cause you to dip below the cap. If my theory is correct, you will reach some sort of medium between your two gear sets.
The sim is very quick, so if you would like more of an affirmation that your upgrades are indeed upgrades you can always run a DPS simulation after each piece as well.
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Originally Posted by Skreekins
Are you watching your caps? If your old gear was special/spell capped then the EP values generated for hit would be comparably low to someone who wasn't capped. Regearing/gemming based on the EP values for your old gear could potentially cause you to sink below your previously reached caps (because of the lower EP values for hit), which would greatly increase the EP for hit and cause your old gear to score better. The inverse is also true. if your old gear is NOT special/spell capped you will get higher values for hit, which would lead you to choose upgrades with tons of hit when you really only needed a little bit more to cap spells (at which point the value drops significantly).
Accounting for caps isnt something that can be easily automated with any tools we currently have. Try upgrading from your old gear one piece at a time and generating new EP values after each piece. Watch your hit % before you choose an upgrade and see if it will cause you to dip below the cap. If my theory is correct, you will reach some sort of medium between your two gear sets. The sim is very quick, so if you would like more of an affirmation that your upgrades are indeed upgrades you can always run a DPS simulation after each piece as well. |
thanks, i'll try this
what are the caps?
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Originally Posted by Paradox
what are the caps?
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Originally Posted by Paradox
wow really?
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BTW ShockAndAwe doesn't currently export weapon dps numbers as there is no in game call to export them I have to write something that analyses the tooltip and captures the information from there. Since this is a lot of work for a very minor change (major in its effects on the sim if you don't change the numbers granted), I have chosen to release what works and add this to the list of things to find out how to do.
Someone sent me a bug report for 1.4.2:
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If you don't have unrelenting_storm talent in your config file (at least 0/5), it calculates over 7000 EP value of intelligence.
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In the meantime I'll update the Mac app.
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If you don't have unrelenting_storm talent in your config file (at least 0/5), it calculates over 7000 EP value of intelligence.
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In the meantime I'll update the Mac app.
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Originally Posted by Rosboeuf
Someone sent me a bug report for 1.4.2:
>> If you don't have unrelenting_storm talent in your config file (at least 0/5), it calculates over 7000 EP value of intelligence. >> In the meantime I'll update the Mac app. |
Don't put the Mac version up just yet, I'll release new version soon.
EnhSim 1.4.3
1.4.3
-wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left removed.
-Judgement of Wisdom changed to restore 1% of max mana.
-Default layout of config files changed to make ShockAndAwe export easier.
enhsim - Google Code
Thank you Levva for the feedback. I didn't change Water Shield, but I added a warning to the GUI to warn if LS and WS are used the same time.
-wait_mw_if_lvb_cd_left removed.
-Judgement of Wisdom changed to restore 1% of max mana.
-Default layout of config files changed to make ShockAndAwe export easier.
enhsim - Google Code
Thank you Levva for the feedback. I didn't change Water Shield, but I added a warning to the GUI to warn if LS and WS are used the same time.
I'm very new to using this sim but was curious if there was a way to run a test against level 72 and below mobs, say for trash and 5 mans. Would i need to change the numbers on the boss tab only and to what amounts? Also about the boss tab shouldn't the miss % be set to 28% when dual wielding instead of the default 9%?
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Originally Posted by Kadari
I'm very new to using this sim but was curious if there was a way to run a test against level 72 and below mobs, say for trash and 5 mans. Would i need to change the numbers on the boss tab only and to what amounts? Also about the boss tab shouldn't the miss % be set to 28% when dual wielding instead of the default 9%?
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9% miss is right, the sim adds 19% miss for white attacks.
Writing the ShockAndAwe code for exporting the detail of any set bonuses it struck me that its perfectly possible for someone to have a two piece bonus from one set and a two piece bonus from another. eg: I could well believe people with T6 gear replacing with naxx gear would end up with 2 different "2 set" bonuses ie:one from T6, one from Naxx kit. I couldn't see any way the sim would cope with this.
I was thinking for ShockAndAwe purposes I go with the latter of the two. Although I could see long term it being possible to have 2 from one set and 2 from another (eg: PvP)
If you plan on catering for this might I suggest :
set_bonus gear_name_X; gear_name_Y (where X & Y are 2 or 4 or whatever the bonus number is).
This format maintains consistency with later gear as at present you have some with gear_name format and some with gear_name_X format.
I was thinking for ShockAndAwe purposes I go with the latter of the two. Although I could see long term it being possible to have 2 from one set and 2 from another (eg: PvP)
If you plan on catering for this might I suggest :
set_bonus gear_name_X; gear_name_Y (where X & Y are 2 or 4 or whatever the bonus number is).
This format maintains consistency with later gear as at present you have some with gear_name format and some with gear_name_X format.
I put up a new download of 1.4.3 versioned 1.4.3.1. I didn't change EnhSim, just the GUI. I had messed up the GUI and it was outputting wrong config file format.
Levva, ShockAndAwe does not export Unrelenting Storm talent. It results in GUI crashing.
Levva, ShockAndAwe does not export Unrelenting Storm talent. It results in GUI crashing.
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Has anyone tried putting into EP the Lightning Capacitor on enhance or other on spell crit trinkets?
(Like the upcoming Thunder Capacitor and Serrah's Star)
Should we follow we follow the basic same fixed ep + proc ep divided by cooldown?
How do we take into account the spell crit rate vs cooldowns?
Edit: Someone posted a similar question about a week ago, but i think it got lost along the way.
I'm actually more interested in these trinkets since i heard ft crits can proc them.
(Like the upcoming Thunder Capacitor and Serrah's Star)
Should we follow we follow the basic same fixed ep + proc ep divided by cooldown?
How do we take into account the spell crit rate vs cooldowns?
Edit: Someone posted a similar question about a week ago, but i think it got lost along the way.
I'm actually more interested in these trinkets since i heard ft crits can proc them.
Last edited by Oogachaka : 10/30/08 at 2:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I put up a new download of 1.4.3 versioned 1.4.3.1. I didn't change EnhSim, just the GUI. I had messed up the GUI and it was outputting wrong config file format.
Levva, ShockAndAwe does not export Unrelenting Storm talent. It results in GUI crashing. |
So, I've checked the Enhsim thread, the Shock and Awe Thread and the WOTLK Enh Shaman thread and I have not been able to figure this out. I will phrase it is a request to update the readme rather than an unuseful individual question.
It's not very intuitive how to use the "Export" function of SAA along with Enhsim. (I've still yet to figure it out). If you could 1) Outline it here, and 2) Maybe throw it in the readme or alternately incorporate an explanation besides "Press Ctrl C" into SAA, that would be dope.
It's not very intuitive how to use the "Export" function of SAA along with Enhsim. (I've still yet to figure it out). If you could 1) Outline it here, and 2) Maybe throw it in the readme or alternately incorporate an explanation besides "Press Ctrl C" into SAA, that would be dope.
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I've updated the news section in ShockAndAwe to explain things - new version up soon after I've tested things in game.
Using cut n paste is very very simple and works exactly the same as every other Windows and Mac application. You open the default config file called config.txt in the EnhSim download. At the bottom of it is a section that tells you to replace it with the ShockAndAwe data. Open the config.txt file on Windows in Wordpad or similar (notepad doesn't work as it doesn't understand the next line character from WOW). Delete the default data then goto WoW.
So now you are in game you type /saa export and up pops the export box. Press CTRL-C to copy the data to the clipboard. Minimise WoW and go back to your text editor, and paste the text you copied from WoW into your text editor, by default this is CTRL-V. You can of course use menu paste options if you prefer.
Once you save the config.txt file - eg: I save mine as Levva.txt you can then run the Sim, if you aren't sure about the options I'd recommend running EnhSimGUI.exe and selecting File Load and load your saved file. Then you can visually see its imported your data and it allows you to visually tick what buffs etc you have. Clicking on the Simulate button will then run the sim.
Using cut n paste is very very simple and works exactly the same as every other Windows and Mac application. You open the default config file called config.txt in the EnhSim download. At the bottom of it is a section that tells you to replace it with the ShockAndAwe data. Open the config.txt file on Windows in Wordpad or similar (notepad doesn't work as it doesn't understand the next line character from WOW). Delete the default data then goto WoW.
So now you are in game you type /saa export and up pops the export box. Press CTRL-C to copy the data to the clipboard. Minimise WoW and go back to your text editor, and paste the text you copied from WoW into your text editor, by default this is CTRL-V. You can of course use menu paste options if you prefer.
Once you save the config.txt file - eg: I save mine as Levva.txt you can then run the Sim, if you aren't sure about the options I'd recommend running EnhSimGUI.exe and selecting File Load and load your saved file. Then you can visually see its imported your data and it allows you to visually tick what buffs etc you have. Clicking on the Simulate button will then run the sim.
Last edited by Levva : 10/31/08 at 11:31 AM.
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thanks for the hard work on SAA.
Is there any chance of something like an "import" for the EP data that the sim spits out? saves manually adding the EP data into Pawn every time we run the sim and increases synergy between the sim and SAA.
The sim keeps spitting out EP values for my INT at crazy amounts like "4284.2" is this a known bug or something how do I deal with this value?
Is there any chance of something like an "import" for the EP data that the sim spits out? saves manually adding the EP data into Pawn every time we run the sim and increases synergy between the sim and SAA.
The sim keeps spitting out EP values for my INT at crazy amounts like "4284.2" is this a known bug or something how do I deal with this value?
Last edited by Paradox : 10/31/08 at 11:31 AM.
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Originally Posted by Paradox
thanks for the hard work on SAA.
Is there any chance of something like an "import" for the EP data that the sim spits out? saves manually adding the EP data into Pawn every time we run the sim and increases synergy between the sim and SAA. The sim keeps spitting out EP values for my INT at crazy amounts like "4284.2" is this a known bug or something how do I deal with this value? |
It would be nice if the Sim had a feature (a tick box option) to display the import string for this addon (it would be the same format as Yo!s simulator used. ie: you tick box (or set option in config file) run the sim and after all the output it shows a import string for Equiv Points and/or a Lootrank URL.
Skyguard Silver Cross
Thanks for the great work on SAA Levva. I have a few questions:
1) Using the export copy/paste method outlined above, my paste looks like it contains rich-text linebreaks. They show up as squares when I paste into my config.txt. Shouldn't this be exported as plain text?
2) Can you add [Skyguard Silver Cross] to the trinket export?
Thanks so much, SAA is the bee's knees.
1) Using the export copy/paste method outlined above, my paste looks like it contains rich-text linebreaks. They show up as squares when I paste into my config.txt. Shouldn't this be exported as plain text?
2) Can you add [Skyguard Silver Cross] to the trinket export?
Thanks so much, SAA is the bee's knees.
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Originally Posted by afx114
2) Can you add [Skyguard Silver Cross] to the trinket export?
Thanks so much, SAA is the bee's knees. |
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Trinket does nothing special. You never get proc against single target. It just have passive stats. You see passive stat at paperdoll. Problem solved.
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It's diffrent because it doesnt have a proc that provides randomly ala chance on X - but rather each time you kill something - Which has 0 purpose when you want to hit something (even trash) in a 25 man eviroment.
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Originally Posted by afx114
How is it any different than [Hourglass of the Unraveller], which is included in EnhSim?
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Originally Posted by Malan
Because you don't kill anything in the sim, hence you will never activate the trinket. This is pretty elementary, did you actually read the trinket description where it says you have to kill something that grants XP or honor?
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Originally Posted by Levva
There is already an addon that does this called Equivalence Points Which allows you to enter the values from the sim.
It would be nice if the Sim had a feature (a tick box option) to display the import string for this addon (it would be the same format as Yo!s simulator used. ie: you tick box (or set option in config file) run the sim and after all the output it shows a import string for Equiv Points and/or a Lootrank URL. |
Pawn parser from EnhSim output
All the code is included in the html so you can see whats going on. Tukez, you are more than welcome to take the code.
Please reply here if there are any errors. Ill update the rest on Sunday, Im planning to a loot rank link as well.
Tukez, a suggestion: could you add EP calc for meta gems? I dont think it should be too hard to implement. I might look at it next weekend, not sure Ill have the time though.
Enjoy.
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Originally Posted by RadicalSS
Ive made a parser/converter from EnhSim to pawn. You can find it here:
Pawn parser from EnhSim output All the code is included in the html so you can see whats going on. Tukez, you are more than welcome to take the code. Please reply here if there are any errors. Ill update the rest on Sunday, Im planning to a loot rank link as well. Tukez, a suggestion: could you add EP calc for meta gems? I dont think it should be too hard to implement. I might look at it next weekend, not sure Ill have the time though. Enjoy. |
Anyone else having a problem with SAA 3.6.0? I had to disable it because there was text overwriting the whole screen (I think it was an intro screen). I hate to lose the addon, but it makes WoW unplayable at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Amaxe
Anyone else having a problem with SAA 3.6.0? I had to disable it because there was text overwriting the whole screen (I think it was an intro screen). I hate to lose the addon, but it makes WoW unplayable at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Afabar
There sould be a "OK" button in the bottom that close the window.
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The news frame is only shown when the addon is updated, so logging out and logging back in (don't disable the addon) should hide the window. It would be cool if the news frame could be moved, or dismissed with Escape or Enter. Very good work, on S&A, Levva.
Tukez, I've been really busy all week but I will get to the trinket thing (before wrath, I hope).
Thanks for the Pawn parser, and mad props for making it a JS app
Tukez, I've been really busy all week but I will get to the trinket thing (before wrath, I hope).
Thanks for the Pawn parser, and mad props for making it a JS app
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I would like to put my vote in for having both PAWN and Equivalence Points ready data in the EP value calculations. Please.
I use Both, but prefer PAWN for most things, it's just so much easier to use... Equivalence Points however is good for helping me choose weapons, I haven't figured out how to get it to show me different data for helping choose Off Spec gear. (heal, ele) also seems to give different values even when I'm 98% sure the numbers between the 2 tools are the same.
Love SSA and how it exports
BTW, i've dug around and can't find a how to build the Sim for the code challenged description, can anyone write up a step by step how in Xcode, so we can keep up to date? I love that there is a Mac version up there now, I'm just worried it may fall out of sync with new features in SSA exports.
Thanks!
I use Both, but prefer PAWN for most things, it's just so much easier to use... Equivalence Points however is good for helping me choose weapons, I haven't figured out how to get it to show me different data for helping choose Off Spec gear. (heal, ele) also seems to give different values even when I'm 98% sure the numbers between the 2 tools are the same.
Love SSA and how it exports
BTW, i've dug around and can't find a how to build the Sim for the code challenged description, can anyone write up a step by step how in Xcode, so we can keep up to date? I love that there is a Mac version up there now, I'm just worried it may fall out of sync with new features in SSA exports.
Thanks!
Last edited by Darkclaw : 11/01/08 at 7:24 PM. Reason: added a minor comment.
I've updated the parser a bit, and I'm satisfied enough. So unless there are any mistakes, it wont be changed.
I might add Equivalence Points, if you can link me the documentation as I dont use that add on.
I might add Equivalence Points, if you can link me the documentation as I dont use that add on.
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Originally Posted by RadicalSS
I've updated the parser a bit, and I'm satisfied enough. So unless there are any mistakes, it wont be changed.
I might add Equivalence Points, if you can link me the documentation as I dont use that add on. |
Oh and to those mentioning the News frame issue in SAA v3.60 please upgrade to v3.62. Also if we could keep this thread to the SIM and how it works and stuff like that - SAA has its own forum thread at ShockAndAwe (formerly DisqoDice) please post stuff about SAA there and NOT on this thread.
Has anyone else been getting very high EP values for INT when running the sim? When I ran the sim yesterday, int came in @ 3.8. This seems a bit out of line.
My int is at 251 and my mana pool @ 6443.
My int is at 251 and my mana pool @ 6443.
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Originally Posted by raabnox
Has anyone else been getting very high EP values for INT when running the sim? When I ran the sim yesterday, int came in @ 3.8. This seems a bit out of line.
My int is at 251 and my mana pool @ 6443. |
There is a bug in the sim. If you disable spirit EP calculation, int EP value will be messed up, because it includes dividing by ep_spirit(0 if disabled). This is fixed in the next version. This bug probably causes those very high int EP values some people have reported.
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I am still having issues getting EP values which make logical sense. I know that once spell hit cap is reached, the weight of hit rating should drop quite a bit and I thought from others that it should be worth less than crit rating and agility. They all seem to come out close, but yet hit rating continues to be valued more than crit/AP/agility. Could you please take a look and see if I missed something here? I understand how the sim works (beginning to think I don't) and how EPs are calculated so the math makes sense. Thanks for any greater understanding you can help me with.
ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_mp5 20 mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 100.2 oh_dps 103.0 mh_crit 24.72 oh_crit 24.72 mh_hit 10.72 oh_hit 10.72 mh_expertise_rating 25 oh_expertise_rating 25 ap 2087 haste 5.0 armor_penetration 0 str 115 agi 371 int 239 spi 128 spellpower 750 spell_crit 19.71 spell_hit 14.0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose trinket1 darkmoon_card_crusade trinket2 dragonspine_trophy
baseline 2441.52 ap 1.00 0.46 2459.94 18.42 crit rating 1.95 0.90 2459.44 17.93 hit rating 2.18 1.00 2461.56 20.05 expertise rating 3.56 1.64 2460.88 19.37 haste rating 1.16 0.53 2452.19 10.68 armor penetration rating 1.37 0.63 2454.10 12.58 spellpower 0.74 0.34 2449.68 8.17 mh dps 6.59 3.03 2464.26 22.75 oh dps 2.91 1.34 2451.56 10.04 strength 1.10 agility 1.97 intelligence 1.26
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Your Hit does look in line with numbers I've seen from peoples results. Hit is by no means a bad stat anymore, even after spell cap. It's a direct contribution to our maelstrom procs happening faster. As well, flametongue on your offhand will help drive hit value up. If you swap to WF on your OH you may see hit EP drop, but that may drop your overall DPS as well. If it says hit is good, then more hit is good.
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My sim numbers are looking like Barrar's, but I am also seeing another odd thing with the sim. Before, I was in T5, still had STR gems and enchants, etc. Now, I have a few more hyjal / bt pieces of gear, I have replaced my str enchants with hit and AP, and my hit is 169, yet the sim shows a decrease in DPS. It doesn't match what I am hitting in raids and such, and I am quite confused. Can anyone help explain this?
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I think I figured it out. For some reason, the sim isn't reading my MH or OH dps anymore.
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I went back and double checked. Shock and Awe has stopped putting in MH and OH DPS, and no matter what imbue you actually have, it seems to be putting in windfury for both hands. I don't know if a newer version of SAA just came out (I use the curse client, and so sometimes addon updates slip by automatically) or if another addon I have is causing issues with the export.
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I think I figured it out. For some reason, the sim isn't reading my MH or OH dps anymore.
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I went back and double checked. Shock and Awe has stopped putting in MH and OH DPS, and no matter what imbue you actually have, it seems to be putting in windfury for both hands. I don't know if a newer version of SAA just came out (I use the curse client, and so sometimes addon updates slip by automatically) or if another addon I have is causing issues with the export.
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Originally Posted by raabnox
Has anyone else been getting very high EP values for INT when running the sim? When I ran the sim yesterday, int came in @ 3.8. This seems a bit out of line.
My int is at 251 and my mana pool @ 6443. |
Tukez, a question came up in the SAA thread for the sim
Should users make sure they clear buffs like flametongue weapon buffs before using the values on their paper doll stats? In SAA export I warn users to remove all buffs (bar heroic presence which you cant remove). Its important I think to ensure people are entering the right values - or SAA is exporting the right ones but there is a lot of confusion about what updates the character sheet and what doesn't.
I think the answer to my question above will be you should be exporting without any weapon imbues. As I expected this was the case when I wrote the export routine I programmed SAA to export what the user had set as their weapon buff preferences if you have windfury/windfury set then thats what will export. If you want it to export windfury/flametongue then /saa config and change the options in warning options section.
There is a new version 3.63 that has updates for the export routine, in particular fixes for non enUS clients not recognising the spelling of weapon dps values. Can someone PLEASE do a translation I CANNOT accurately translate myself, so that's why people get errors or output that has 0.0 dps weapons and a warning message. In addition it now exports glyphs.
Should users make sure they clear buffs like flametongue weapon buffs before using the values on their paper doll stats? In SAA export I warn users to remove all buffs (bar heroic presence which you cant remove). Its important I think to ensure people are entering the right values - or SAA is exporting the right ones but there is a lot of confusion about what updates the character sheet and what doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Lethnon
I went back and double checked. Shock and Awe has stopped putting in MH and OH DPS, and no matter what imbue you actually have, it seems to be putting in windfury for both hands. I don't know if a newer version of SAA just came out (I use the curse client, and so sometimes addon updates slip by automatically) or if another addon I have is causing issues with the export.
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There is a new version 3.63 that has updates for the export routine, in particular fixes for non enUS clients not recognising the spelling of weapon dps values. Can someone PLEASE do a translation I CANNOT accurately translate myself, so that's why people get errors or output that has 0.0 dps weapons and a warning message. In addition it now exports glyphs.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Tukez, a question came up in the SAA thread for the sim
Should users make sure they clear buffs like flametongue weapon buffs before using the values on their paper doll stats? In SAA export I warn users to remove all buffs (bar heroic presence which you cant remove). Its important I think to ensure people are entering the right values - or SAA is exporting the right ones but there is a lot of confusion about what updates the character sheet and what doesn't. |
When outputting a combat log I am not seeing any shocks.
Just thought I'd share that I see a small ~7 dps increase when I make my rotation ES-SS, rather than the normal SS-ES.
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 300 max_lag 350 simulate_mana 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 SR miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 replenishment 1 water_shield 1 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_demonslaying guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item drums_of_battle ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 103.1 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 29.45 oh_crit 29.45 mh_hit 9.77 oh_hit 9.77 mh_expertise_rating 112 oh_expertise_rating 112 ap 2305 haste 3.11 armor_penetration 18.64 str 114 agi 312 int 257 spi 128 spellpower 691 spell_crit 24.05 spell_hit 12.21 max_mana 6533 mp5 8 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 berserkers_call trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus skyshatter_harness_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
What are everyone's thoughts on statistical significance? with a p of .01, and dps at 70 being 2000-3500 depending on the fight, that would mean 20-35 dps difference to even consider making a real change based on the simulator, no?
I am just seeing too many posts here and on the wow general forums making the assumption that a 5 dps difference in the sim (3050 vs 3055) means the latter is superior, when i would consider anything within ~30 dps to be, for all intents and purposes, equal to another setup.
Is it safe to say that the simulator's significance is around 30dps? Or am i just confused? (<-- very possible)
I am just seeing too many posts here and on the wow general forums making the assumption that a 5 dps difference in the sim (3050 vs 3055) means the latter is superior, when i would consider anything within ~30 dps to be, for all intents and purposes, equal to another setup.
Is it safe to say that the simulator's significance is around 30dps? Or am i just confused? (<-- very possible)
Just curious, but were there any unlisted changes between v1.3.4 and 1.4.3 with regards to haste? Without changing any of my buffs/gear/EP steps/etc. my EP value for haste has dropped from 2.25 to 0.97. I looked over the changelog and didn't see any mentions of changes to haste calculations, which is why I'm confused. All of my other EP values are unchanged (aside from minor differences in the range of 0.05 or less).
Is there any modelling for [Band of the Eternal Champion] and [Shattered Sun Pendant of Might]?
Something to consider:
Mage's Focus Magic isn't a spellpower buff anymore, despite being listed as such in EnhSim's tooltip.
Mage's Focus Magic isn't a spellpower buff anymore, despite being listed as such in EnhSim's tooltip.
Question: I have been loading my results from the sim into Equivalencepoints, however i noticed that some people recommend pawn.
is there any real benefit to switch? (just wondering if anyone has used both).
Also, i missed this somewhere but how do you calculate EP on metasockets? or is there a flat value since we have always used 1 type of gem? (ENH).
is there any real benefit to switch? (just wondering if anyone has used both).
Also, i missed this somewhere but how do you calculate EP on metasockets? or is there a flat value since we have always used 1 type of gem? (ENH).
Depends on the gem, but for the RED it is quite simple.
If we assume 33% crit rate, your crit damage will be approximately 50% of your total damage.
If you increase your crit damage by 3% you will increase your overall damage by 1.5%.
This also means that your dps will increase by 1.5%.
Find the AEP for 1.5% of YOUR dps, add the agility or crit AEP (depending on which diamond you use) from the diamond and you should reach an AEP for the diamond.
In TBC it was usually in the region of 70AEP for a RED.
It will obviously scale with your dps for Wrath.
If we assume 33% crit rate, your crit damage will be approximately 50% of your total damage.
If you increase your crit damage by 3% you will increase your overall damage by 1.5%.
This also means that your dps will increase by 1.5%.
Find the AEP for 1.5% of YOUR dps, add the agility or crit AEP (depending on which diamond you use) from the diamond and you should reach an AEP for the diamond.
In TBC it was usually in the region of 70AEP for a RED.
It will obviously scale with your dps for Wrath.
maybe a stupid question but i am the only one where the sim doesnt calculate the right expertise cap for lvl80? or isnt it updated to calculate the right stats for lvl80 yet?
Make sure you're using the level 80 binary.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Make sure you're using the level 80 binary.
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No, not the level 80 config file, the level 80 executable.
Even then it does not seem to check out.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is 6.5% dodge to remove through expertise.
It takes 32.78 rating to get -1% dodge/parry. 6.5x32.78 = 213.07.
Due to the way expertise is calculated (see tank) you get: 213.07/3.9423, take the floor of that and multiply with 3.9423 gives 212.8842. Or simply 213 expertise rating to cap.
The sim uses 132 expertise rating as cap, which would give ~-4% dodge.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is 6.5% dodge to remove through expertise.
It takes 32.78 rating to get -1% dodge/parry. 6.5x32.78 = 213.07.
Due to the way expertise is calculated (see tank) you get: 213.07/3.9423, take the floor of that and multiply with 3.9423 gives 212.8842. Or simply 213 expertise rating to cap.
The sim uses 132 expertise rating as cap, which would give ~-4% dodge.
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Originally Posted by Karok(EU)
Even then it does not seem to check out.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is 6.5% dodge to remove through expertise. It takes 32.78 rating to get -1% dodge/parry. 6.5x32.78 = 213.07. Due to the way expertise is calculated (see tank) you get: 213.07/3.9423, take the floor of that and multiply with 3.9423 gives 212.8842. Or simply 213 expertise rating to cap. The sim uses 132 expertise rating as cap, which would give ~-4% dodge. |
It takes 32.78998947 rating to get -1% dodge/parry. 6.5%x32.78998947 = 213.134931555. Ceil that and you need 214 expertise rating to cap.
Gui warns if your exp rating + ep exp goes OVER the cap. So if you have 214 expertise it does not give you any warning, assuming that ep expertise is 0 and you don't get expertise from anywhere else(orc + axe). 215 gives warning, because you go OVER the cap. If both hand's expertise is at 214, gui says the test will be skipped, because ep value would be 0.
Btw, 3.9423 is for lvl 70 exp rating -> exp. Lvl 80 rate is 8.1974973675.
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Originally Posted by Malan
No, not the level 80 config file, the level 80 executable.
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no, no axes at procs and stuff configured.
//gui warns but it seems it calculates expertise right, so only a gui display bug.
Last edited by Mjoedvitnir : 11/22/08 at 10:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by Mjoedvitnir
its also the lvl80 exec. sim warns at 182 in the gui
no, no axes at procs and stuff configured. //gui warns but it seems it calculates expertise right, so only a gui display bug. |
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Tukez will you get support for Wrath trinkets and weapon enchants in soon?
Last edited by Malan : 11/22/08 at 5:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Tukez will you get support for Wrath trinkets and weapon enchants in soon?
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Originally Posted by xkaziex
Question: I have been loading my results from the sim into Equivalencepoints, however i noticed that some people recommend pawn.
is there any real benefit to switch? (just wondering if anyone has used both). Also, i missed this somewhere but how do you calculate EP on metasockets? or is there a flat value since we have always used 1 type of gem? (ENH). |
Hi! Thanks for all the work you guys have done. It have help me aloot, but now I got a problem.
Every time I try to use export my papperdoll from SAA to the EnhSimGui get this messenge.
I dont know where the problem is and I dont know where to turn.
Sorry grama and spelling misstake.
Every time I try to use export my papperdoll from SAA to the EnhSimGui get this messenge.
I dont know where the problem is and I dont know where to turn.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
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at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
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at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
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at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
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To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
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The application must also be compiled with debugging
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Originally Posted by xkaziex
Also, i missed this somewhere but how do you calculate EP on metasockets? or is there a flat value since we have always used 1 type of gem? (ENH).
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hope it helps.Taking all this info from EnhSim. So of course you will have to put in your own stats.
White crit dps : 44,155% = 203 dps = 483,3 ep
WF crit dps: 43,16% = 133 dps = 316,7 ep
SS crit dps: 46,025% = 40,5 dps = 96,4 ep
LL crit dps: 45,55% = 20,3 dps = 48,3 ep
ES crit dps: 29,47% = 73,68 dps = 175,43 ep
LB crit dps: 30,46% = 35,3 dps = 84,05 ep
All crit dps = 505,78
1 dps = 2,381 ep
+ 3% crit dmg = 36,1254 EP. + 12 AGI (18,96 ep) = 55,0845 ep
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Originally Posted by Phudu
Hi! Thanks for all the work you guys have done. It have help me aloot, but now I got a problem.
Every time I try to use export my papperdoll from SAA to the EnhSimGui get this messenge. I dont know where the problem is and I dont know where to turn. See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Value of '0' is not valid for 'Value'. 'Value' should be between 'Minimum' and 'Maximum'.
Parameter name: Value
at System.Windows.Forms.NumericUpDown.set_Value(Decimal value)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.readConfigFile(SByte* filename)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.MainForm_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
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application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
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For example:
<configuration>
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</configuration>
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Can somebody explain to me how the sim. takes the "diminishing returns" of the different ratings (Hit, Crit etc.) into account.
I used the lvl80 version on my level 79 char. And most stats vent down in value, including hit and crit, even if they aren capped.
I'm not doubting this is correct - I just got curious...
Thanks
I used the lvl80 version on my level 79 char. And most stats vent down in value, including hit and crit, even if they aren capped.
I'm not doubting this is correct - I just got curious...
Thanks
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Originally Posted by chadbrochill
same here, just input my stats and hit simulate, any ideas whats up?
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In addition to the wrath trinkets (which most are in, atm the only ones i see missing are mark, bandits, and darkmoon card greatness) and enchants that Malan mentioned, thought i'd drop a small reminder for the last couple types of new totems. Splintering is in, but dueling and the gladiator ones are not.
Nvm. I did not used the Enhgui configfile. 
After that it worked.
After that it worked.|
Originally Posted by Taowth
In addition to the wrath trinkets (which most are in, atm the only ones i see missing are mark, bandits, and darkmoon card greatness) and enchants that Malan mentioned, thought i'd drop a small reminder for the last couple types of new totems. Splintering is in, but dueling and the gladiator ones are not.
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I used the thread search function and am unable to find the method of taking data from SAA and loading it in EnhSim. I know it has something to do with with SAA output being rich text and EnhSim only loading txt files. Is there a method of quickly taking the data from SAA and loading it into EnhSim without having to go through and fix the output by hand?
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Originally Posted by Phudu
Nvm. I did not used the Enhgui configfile.
After that it worked. |
Quick question, when calculating EP, is it better to simulate with raid buffs, consumable, etc... or just strait with paper doll stats ?
BTW, thanks for the work you guys are doing. I sure do have an interest in the mechanics and how the math of the game. What I don't have is the knowledge to elaborate it myself. You guys make the game more fun to me and make me a better player.
BTW, thanks for the work you guys are doing. I sure do have an interest in the mechanics and how the math of the game. What I don't have is the knowledge to elaborate it myself. You guys make the game more fun to me and make me a better player.
Which stats/settings affect the value of Haste most? I'm thinking I'm doing something wrong because haste seems to be getting ridiculous values for me, I'm hit capped (but not expertise) and crit and agi are bit over 1.7 whereas haste is at 2.16, expertise at 2.54. I'm doing all the simulations with full raid buffs and flask of Endless Rage added to my AP. I know my gear isn't close to optimal but this just seems weird especially since in the TT article haste seems to be valued much lower.
Here's my config if anyone cares enough to check if there's something wrong with it:
Here's my config if anyone cares enough to check if there's something wrong with it:
simulation_time 20000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 20 max_lag 100 simulate_mana 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 20 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 0 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/100 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.8 mh_dps 143.6 oh_dps 111.8 mh_crit 25.48 oh_crit 25.48 mh_hit 11.38 oh_hit 11.38 mh_expertise_rating 119 oh_expertise_rating 119 ap 3182 haste 0.12 armor_penetration 0 str 129 agi 757 int 421 spi 152 spellpower 900 spell_crit 18.2 spell_hit 14.22 max_mana 10431 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - oh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
You seem to have very little haste, that and you have 0 bloodlusts set, try changing the last one and see how that influences your haste. The very little haste might explain the high value though, while it's not the best stat, it's still decent when you've reached a good enough crit level, which you seem to have to.
Think of the values in the TTT more as a general guide line, not a rule.
Think of the values in the TTT more as a general guide line, not a rule.
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Originally Posted by Sado
I used the thread search function and am unable to find the method of taking data from SAA and loading it in EnhSim. I know it has something to do with with SAA output being rich text and EnhSim only loading txt files. Is there a method of quickly taking the data from SAA and loading it into EnhSim without having to go through and fix the output by hand?
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All you need to do is to press CTRL-C in SAA minimise WoW and press CTRL-V once in your text editor to paste the text in. Make sure of course you have deleted the default stuff so its not copied twice. All this is dead basic stuff and covered in the readme in game for SAA however.
Note there is an occassional bug at present with SAA that sometimes doesn't recognise Weapon DPS so you may need to manually correct this. Which is just fine as you need to manually adjust the config for your buffs etc anyway.
This might just be reconfirming information we already know, but I wanted to share some sim info for folks. Note, this is with my current values, and the ONLY thing I switched out was the MH weapon speed/dps. Unless otherwise noted OH was fixed at 2.6/143.5, WF/FT.
4077 DPS = 2.8s/143.5 x2 (MH AND OH) *used 2.8s OH!
4014 DPS = 2.6s/143.5dps
4009 DPS = 2.8s/143.5dps
3993 DPS = 2.6s/143.5 dps MH AND 2.8s/143.5 OH *used 2.8 OH!
3977 DPS = 2.6s/131dps
3970 DPS = 2.8s/131dps
3937 DPS = 2.5s/143.5dps
The interesting thing to note is that the SLOWEST weapon did not result in the best DPS unless paired with a matching slow OH. This reinforced values I had at 75 with a SWP 2.6/115 dps MH vs a 2.8/111 dps MH Blue from the arena in ZD quest reward. I don't know if this is a result of having matching MH/OH speeds, which seems odd when doing WF/FT, I had previously thought thought the matching weapon speeds was due to WF/WF.
More proof that you should always be simming YOUR current gear. I don't know if the matching weapon speeds is a factor of the simmulations or is actual behavior in game, and it may warrant further investigation.
4077 DPS = 2.8s/143.5 x2 (MH AND OH) *used 2.8s OH!
4014 DPS = 2.6s/143.5dps
4009 DPS = 2.8s/143.5dps
3993 DPS = 2.6s/143.5 dps MH AND 2.8s/143.5 OH *used 2.8 OH!
3977 DPS = 2.6s/131dps
3970 DPS = 2.8s/131dps
3937 DPS = 2.5s/143.5dps
The interesting thing to note is that the SLOWEST weapon did not result in the best DPS unless paired with a matching slow OH. This reinforced values I had at 75 with a SWP 2.6/115 dps MH vs a 2.8/111 dps MH Blue from the arena in ZD quest reward. I don't know if this is a result of having matching MH/OH speeds, which seems odd when doing WF/FT, I had previously thought thought the matching weapon speeds was due to WF/WF.
More proof that you should always be simming YOUR current gear. I don't know if the matching weapon speeds is a factor of the simmulations or is actual behavior in game, and it may warrant further investigation.
negative haste rating?
somehow i get a negative haste ep valuation.
heres my config:
just wondering, i thought haste is like a flat 1% dps increase now and the plateau around 1.5 is not really achievable ?
heres my config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 7 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 29 max_lag 54 simulate_mana 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 SR miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item drums_of_battle ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 103.0 oh_dps 103.0 mh_crit 16.75 oh_crit 16.75 mh_hit 8.26 oh_hit 8.26 mh_expertise_rating 65.00 oh_expertise_rating 65.00 ap 2046 haste 3.28 armor_penetration 0.00 str 165 agi 412 int 338 spi 157 spellpower 613 spell_crit 12.67 spell_hit 10.33 max_mana 8898 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 - trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 - glyph_major2 - glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
Minor Bug
One small thing regarding the GUI to report. Tabbing through the text boxes on the left, there is a disconnect between the display and the tab order. Tabbing from intelligence skips over spirit and goes down to spellpower. Nothing that prevents usage of the tool, just a minor bug.
I didn't read the whole thread so I am sorry if this is a repost, but I noticed that Thundering Strikes talent was not listed, is it assumed 5/5 or just missing? Or did you intentionally exclude it due to it affecting the paper doll crit stats?
It appears on the paper-doll stats wich you have to input so no point in inlcuding it.
Ok sorry if some of this has been answered. But i do not get a sim etc to work. And just have a few questions that some of you more capable could answer, if you dont mind
I was under the impression that Slow/Slow with WF/WF was still the way to go or is Slow/Fast with WF/FT better now due to Elemental Fury
I was under the impression that Slow/Slow with WF/WF was still the way to go or is Slow/Fast with WF/FT better now due to Elemental Fury
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Originally Posted by Paksenarrion
Ok sorry if some of this has been answered. But i do not get a sim etc to work. And just have a few questions that some of you more capable could answer, if you dont mind
I was under the impression that Slow/Slow with WF/WF was still the way to go or is Slow/Fast with WF/FT better now due to Elemental Fury |
Hi
I'm just wondering why I have such high EP values for INT, is it supposed to be this high and can anyone explain why?
Here is my config file:
It's giving me normal looking values for all stats but INT it's giving me 4-5.5 EP.
Also, just want to say the simulator is looking for sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood but ShockAndAwe is exporting it as sphere_of_red_dragons_blood.
Also, when I export from SAA, I have a question about these fields:
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue windfury
the "oh_imbue" field is always left empty even when enchanted ingame, am I supposed to manually edit this after exporting and add windfury or flametongue? or do I leave it blank? Obviously the logical thing to do is add the imbue manually but I can't see why it doesn't just export that for no good reason.
Thanks
I'm just wondering why I have such high EP values for INT, is it supposed to be this high and can anyone explain why?
Here is my config file:
race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 143.5 # unable to read weapon dps please check oh_dps 143.6 # unable to read weapon dps please check mh_crit 23.27 oh_crit 23.27 mh_hit 11.77 oh_hit 11.77 mh_expertise_rating 102.00 oh_expertise_rating 102.00 ap 3073 haste 2.41 armor_penetration 3.44 str 133 agi 629 int 452 spi 153 spellpower 980 spell_crit 17.71 spell_hit 14.71 max_mana 10896 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_enchant mongoose oh_weapon - trinket1 meteorite_whetstone trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - ## not currently available in the addon export metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 earth_shock glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_major4 - ## slot empty glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 3/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
Also, just want to say the simulator is looking for sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood but ShockAndAwe is exporting it as sphere_of_red_dragons_blood.
Also, when I export from SAA, I have a question about these fields:
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue windfury
the "oh_imbue" field is always left empty even when enchanted ingame, am I supposed to manually edit this after exporting and add windfury or flametongue? or do I leave it blank? Obviously the logical thing to do is add the imbue manually but I can't see why it doesn't just export that for no good reason.
Thanks
Edited onundefined
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Originally Posted by Paradox
Hi
I'm just wondering why I have such high EP values for INT, is it supposed to be this high and can anyone explain why? |
Edited to add:
Tukez could you check how you have the Stonebreaker Totem coded in the sim, since it seems to be giving the totem too much uptime currently.
The totem has a 10 second cooldown with a 50% proc rate so the buff can't refresh itself and giving it roughly a 45% uptime if you are shocking on every cooldown.
Last edited by Rouncer : 11/28/08 at 9:27 AM.
Please correct my math if I'm wrong (been a while since prob & stat). For stonebreaker totem, assuming 1) no points in reverberation, 2) spell hit cap and 3) you're shocking every cooldon, we have 6 sec shock cooldown and a 10 sec buff duration.
To determine the uptime, let us assume that are at shock n, where we are shocking and have shocked at least one time previously.
Let us look at whether stonebreaker proc the shock before (at shock n-1):
1) if it did (50% chance), then the current shock n isn't checked b/c of the internal cooldown. In addition, because of the timing, we will have the buff for only 4 sec out of 6 sec (time until the next shock)
2) if it didn't (1-0.5) then we can check the proc normally for the our shock n.
2a) it procs (0.5) then we have 6 sec out of 6 sec of the buff
2b) or it doesn't proc and we don't get the buff
So our uptime is equal to:
case 1 + case 2a
0.5 * 4/6 + (1-0.5) * 0.5 * 6/6
= 0.583
To determine the uptime, let us assume that are at shock n, where we are shocking and have shocked at least one time previously.
Let us look at whether stonebreaker proc the shock before (at shock n-1):
1) if it did (50% chance), then the current shock n isn't checked b/c of the internal cooldown. In addition, because of the timing, we will have the buff for only 4 sec out of 6 sec (time until the next shock)
2) if it didn't (1-0.5) then we can check the proc normally for the our shock n.
2a) it procs (0.5) then we have 6 sec out of 6 sec of the buff
2b) or it doesn't proc and we don't get the buff
So our uptime is equal to:
case 1 + case 2a
0.5 * 4/6 + (1-0.5) * 0.5 * 6/6
= 0.583
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Originally Posted by darkInertia
Please correct my math if I'm wrong (been a while since prob & stat). For stonebreaker totem, assuming 1) no points in reverberation, 2) spell hit cap and 3) you're shocking every cooldon, we have 6 sec shock cooldown and a 10 sec buff duration.
To determine the uptime, let us assume that are at shock n, where we are shocking and have shocked at least one time previously. Let us look at whether stonebreaker proc the shock before (at shock n-1): 1) if it did (50% chance), then the current shock n isn't checked b/c of the internal cooldown. In addition, because of the timing, we will have the buff for only 4 sec out of 6 sec (time until the next shock) 2) if it didn't (1-0.5) then we can check the proc normally for the our shock n. 2a) it procs (0.5) then we have 6 sec out of 6 sec of the buff 2b) or it doesn't proc and we don't get the buff So our uptime is equal to: case 1 + case 2a 0.5 * 4/6 + (1-0.5) * 0.5 * 6/6 = 0.583 |
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Originally Posted by Paradox
Hi
I'm just wondering why I have such high EP values for INT, is it supposed to be this high and can anyone explain why? Here is my config file: --snip-- Also, when I export from SAA, I have a question about these fields: mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury the "oh_imbue" field is always left empty even when enchanted ingame, am I supposed to manually edit this after exporting and add windfury or flametongue? or do I leave it blank? Obviously the logical thing to do is add the imbue manually but I can't see why it doesn't just export that for no good reason. Thanks |
The problem with your high INT value could also be related to 0 mp5 in your config.
Enhsim 1.4.6
1.4.6
-Removed lvl 70. enhsim.exe is not for level 80.
-Fixed bug when spirit EP calculation was disabled, intelligence EP value was broken.
-arcane_resistance and shadow_resistance added to boss stats.
-Added trinkets: Mark of Norgannon, Fezzik's Pocketwatch, Thorny Rose Brooch, Rune of Finite Variation, Bandit's Insignia, Darkmoon Card: Greatness, Pendulum of Telluric Currents, Vestige of Haldor and Figurine: Twilight Serpent.
-Renamed sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood to sphere_of_red_dragons_blood.
-Added totems: Savage, Hateful and Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability/Survival, Totem of Dueling and Totem of the Elemental Plane.
-Added consumables: Elixir of Mighty Thoughts, Elixir of Expertise, Flask of Endless Rage, Rhinolicious Wyrmsteak and Fish Feast.
-Enchant added: Berserking.
Berserking is 1ppm. I think Stonebreaker's Totem is working right. Those damage proc trinkets are affected by resistances and buffs/debuffs, 1.5 crit multiplier.
I updated my VC++ to SP1. If GUI doesn't work, you might have to update the redistributable:
Download details: Visual C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86)
-Removed lvl 70. enhsim.exe is not for level 80.
-Fixed bug when spirit EP calculation was disabled, intelligence EP value was broken.
-arcane_resistance and shadow_resistance added to boss stats.
-Added trinkets: Mark of Norgannon, Fezzik's Pocketwatch, Thorny Rose Brooch, Rune of Finite Variation, Bandit's Insignia, Darkmoon Card: Greatness, Pendulum of Telluric Currents, Vestige of Haldor and Figurine: Twilight Serpent.
-Renamed sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood to sphere_of_red_dragons_blood.
-Added totems: Savage, Hateful and Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability/Survival, Totem of Dueling and Totem of the Elemental Plane.
-Added consumables: Elixir of Mighty Thoughts, Elixir of Expertise, Flask of Endless Rage, Rhinolicious Wyrmsteak and Fish Feast.
-Enchant added: Berserking.
Berserking is 1ppm. I think Stonebreaker's Totem is working right. Those damage proc trinkets are affected by resistances and buffs/debuffs, 1.5 crit multiplier.
I updated my VC++ to SP1. If GUI doesn't work, you might have to update the redistributable:
Download details: Visual C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86)
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Originally Posted by tukez
-Fixed bug when spirit EP calculation was disabled, intelligence EP value was broken.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
I just updated the sim and still got this error.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Are you sure you are using the new executable, not the old enhsim_lvl80.exe? I don't seem to get the error. If you are using the new one, please post the configs and results to reproduce the error.
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Some of the default buffs are still at their lvl 70 values:
Major armor: 3925
Minor armor: 1260
motw: +37
AI: 60
Might have missed some still.
Although I guess we'd first need to know the new boss armor values before using the new armor debuffs.
Expertise still shows odd behavour though. Filling in 202 expertise rating (-6% dodge/parry) shows no warning at an EP range of 1, but shows one for 2 (which would make 204 be over the cap?).
No other source of expertise either.
This is still 10 expertise off the actual cap (214 rating giving -6.5).
In your previous answer you kind of omited the actual problem, since as long as you are not capped the sim shows the warning way too early even with EP values that would not go over the cap in the first step atleast (or does it take the first 6+ steps to check?)
Major armor: 3925
Minor armor: 1260
motw: +37
AI: 60
Might have missed some still.
Although I guess we'd first need to know the new boss armor values before using the new armor debuffs.
Expertise still shows odd behavour though. Filling in 202 expertise rating (-6% dodge/parry) shows no warning at an EP range of 1, but shows one for 2 (which would make 204 be over the cap?).
No other source of expertise either.
This is still 10 expertise off the actual cap (214 rating giving -6.5).
In your previous answer you kind of omited the actual problem, since as long as you are not capped the sim shows the warning way too early even with EP values that would not go over the cap in the first step atleast (or does it take the first 6+ steps to check?)
I have been using the enhsim and i input my values
armory link The World of Warcraft Armory
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline 1319.29
ap 1.00 0.19 1327.03 7.74
crit rating 1.89 0.37 1326.62 7.34
hit rating 2.50 0.48 1328.96 9.67
expertise rating 2.22 0.43 1329.87 10.58
haste rating 1.38 0.27 1324.63 5.34
armor pen 0.99 0.19 1323.13 3.85
spellpower 0.82 0.16 1323.09 3.80
mh dps 7.14 1.38 1329.65 10.36
oh dps 2.88 0.56 1323.47 4.18
strength 1.00
agility 1.69
intelligence 2.93
spirit 0.80 0.16 1334.82 15.53
mana 0.10 0.02 1323.08 3.80
mp5 7.14 1.38 1346.95 27.66
Now i thought once i get to 367 hit rating which is the cap, i should move on to Expertise, but the sim still has Hit rating as a higher EP value. Why would this be? Im currently at 401 hit.
armory link The World of Warcraft Armory
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline 1319.29
ap 1.00 0.19 1327.03 7.74
crit rating 1.89 0.37 1326.62 7.34
hit rating 2.50 0.48 1328.96 9.67
expertise rating 2.22 0.43 1329.87 10.58
haste rating 1.38 0.27 1324.63 5.34
armor pen 0.99 0.19 1323.13 3.85
spellpower 0.82 0.16 1323.09 3.80
mh dps 7.14 1.38 1329.65 10.36
oh dps 2.88 0.56 1323.47 4.18
strength 1.00
agility 1.69
intelligence 2.93
spirit 0.80 0.16 1334.82 15.53
mana 0.10 0.02 1323.08 3.80
mp5 7.14 1.38 1346.95 27.66
Now i thought once i get to 367 hit rating which is the cap, i should move on to Expertise, but the sim still has Hit rating as a higher EP value. Why would this be? Im currently at 401 hit.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Now i thought once i get to 367 hit rating which is the cap, i should move on to Expertise, but the sim still has Hit rating as a higher EP value. Why would this be? Im currently at 401 hit. |
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Originally Posted by Kamileon
Because that's the spell hit cap, not the be all end all cap for hit rating. Dual-Wield melee still benefits from more hit. Hit won't hit zero ep at spell hit caps the same way expertise will.
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Edit: The baseline dps of that sim run was only 1300?? Why is it so low? Are you just auto-attacking or what?
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Originally Posted by Karok(EU)
Expertise still shows odd behavour though. Filling in 202 expertise rating (-6% dodge/parry) shows no warning at an EP range of 1, but shows one for 2 (which would make 204 be over the cap?).
No other source of expertise either. This is still 10 expertise off the actual cap (214 rating giving -6.5). In your previous answer you kind of omited the actual problem, since as long as you are not capped the sim shows the warning way too early even with EP values that would not go over the cap in the first step atleast (or does it take the first 6+ steps to check?) |
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Now i thought once i get to 367 hit rating which is the cap, i should move on to Expertise, but the sim still has Hit rating as a higher EP value. Why would this be? Im currently at 401 hit.
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I'll update this post when I've updated ShockAndAwe to understand the new trinkets etc added in this sim version.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Now i thought once i get to 367 hit rating which is the cap, i should move on to Expertise, but the sim still has Hit rating as a higher EP value. Why would this be? Im currently at 401 hit.
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On another related note, I currently have 367 hit rating, and this shows on my paper doll as 13.99% spell hit, haven't really been able to test correctly if I still have a chance to miss with spells. Wondering if this is just a rounding/display error on the dumb character screen now though.
One little problem with EhnSim.
-Enchant added: Berserking.
Doesn't realy work for me. Always shows:
Enchant berserking not found.
Enchant berserking not found.
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Anyone else having the same problem?
-Enchant added: Berserking.
Doesn't realy work for me. Always shows:
Enchant berserking not found.
Enchant berserking not found.
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Anyone else having the same problem?
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Originally Posted by SoBlù
One little problem with EhnSim.
-Enchant added: Berserking. Doesn't realy work for me. Always shows: Enchant berserking not found. Enchant berserking not found. ......................................................................... Anyone else having the same problem? |
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Originally Posted by Skiace
Edit: The baseline dps of that sim run was only 1300?? Why is it so low? Are you just auto-attacking or what? |
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 2500 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 0 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 0 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 1 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 3 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 2 //{ 0 | 1 | 2 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 4
rotation_priority1 SS
rotation_priority2 ES
rotation_priority3 LL
rotation_priority4 MW5_LB
rotation_priority5 -
rotation_priority6 -
rotation_priority7 -
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#BOSS#####
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miss 9.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 25.00 //%
armor 7700
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 0/2600 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0/610 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/2.0 //%, bloody frenzy, 2nd talent spec TBA
melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/10.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill
spell_damage_debuff 0.0/10.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of elements, totem of wrath
spellpower_buff 0/150 //focus magic, improved divine spirit, flametongue totem, demonic pact
spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath
stat_multiplier 0.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 0/19 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 0/98 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 0/40 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir -
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | - }
potion -
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food -
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup | - }
misc_item -
// { drums_of_battle | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
race orc //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.50
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 143.6
mh_crit 18.52 //%
oh_crit 18.52
mh_hit 12.23 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 12.23
mh_expertise_rating 70 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 70
ap 2984 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
haste 1.16 //%
armor_penetration 5.26 //%
str 131
agi 629
int 533
spi 154
spellpower 1169 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 13.45 //%
spell_hit 15.29 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
max_mana 12111
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | - }
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant -
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | - }
mh_weapon axe
oh_weapon axe
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood
trinket2 incisor_fragment
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | - }
totem totem_of_splintering
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | - }
set_bonus -
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | - }
metagem -
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 lava_lash
glyph_major3 stormstrike
glyph_major4 -
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 5/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 4/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 0/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 4/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/5
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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Originally Posted by Hulk
No i have it as a rotation, i wondered the same thing when i looked at it.
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Btw, what is the coef of Searing Totem? TT thread says it's 16.8%, but some other sources say 8%.
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Originally Posted by tukez
You don't have Shamanistic Rage in rotation.
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I usually do SS, ES, LL and LB if Malestrom Wep is up, And pop SR when i need mana back.
Is there a better rotation to do this or what?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Should that be the first thing i use in a DPS rotation?
I usually do SS, ES, LL and LB if Malestrom Wep is up, And pop SR when i need mana back. Is there a better rotation to do this or what? |
Does the program support "ring procs" such as Signet of Edward the Odd in any way?
Assuming a 45 sec internal cooldown, the proc would be worth about 41 haste rating. Would it suffice to just add 41 haste rating into the sim, when comparing different gear-setups?
Assuming a 45 sec internal cooldown, the proc would be worth about 41 haste rating. Would it suffice to just add 41 haste rating into the sim, when comparing different gear-setups?
why get expertise and hit this high values with my current gear? and ARP negative?
using the latest 1.46. im hitcapped (melee: 11.38% spell 14.22%) and over the half exp cap (115)
using the latest 1.46. im hitcapped (melee: 11.38% spell 14.22%) and over the half exp cap (115)
ap 1.00 crit rating 2.76 hit rating 3.15 expertise rating 4.00 haste rating 2.25 armor penetration rating -0.09 spellpower 1.05 mh dps 8.98 oh dps 1.39 strength 1.10 agility 2.06 intelligence 1.05
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 4 min_lag 60 max_lag 120 simulate_mana 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 143.6 oh_dps 130.2 mh_crit 23.10 oh_crit 23.10 mh_hit 11.38 oh_hit 11.38 mh_expertise_rating 115 oh_expertise_rating 115 ap 2942 haste 0.12 armor_penetration 1.69 str 129 agi 624 int 338 spi 153 spellpower 882 spell_crit 16.92 spell_hit 14.22 max_mana 9186 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 - totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 earth_shock glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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Originally Posted by Radditz
why get expertise and hit this high values with my current gear? and ARP negative?
using the latest 1.46. im hitcapped (melee: 11.38% spell 14.22%) and over the half exp cap (115) |
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Originally Posted by Eva
You used the total expertise from gear, not the expertise rating. It should be a value between 0 and 26 (the cap).
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No, they inputted it correctly, they just need a lot more expertise which is also pushing up the value of hit since even though they are over the spell hit cap they are under the melee hit cap and if you don't hit the target you don't get MW charges and your dps suffers accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
No, they inputted it correctly, they just need a lot more expertise which is also pushing up the value of hit since even though they are over the spell hit cap they are under the melee hit cap and if you don't hit the target you don't get MW charges and your dps suffers accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Eva
I stand corrected: the wow-armory and the paper doll in game both have a different opinion about what rating is.
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Expertise is one of the more annoying stats since it only works in very specific chunks. They have 115 rating which works out to 14 expertise. Now lets say they change their glove enchant (just for an example, I didn't use the armory) to the 15 expertise one, that puts them at 130 rating which would be 15.86 expertise, however due to the nature of expertise they really only have 15 expertise and the remaining 0.86 (7 expertise rating) does absolutely nothing at all since expertise rating always "rounds down".
With 192 expertise rating (23 exp), the sim is telling me I am over the cap. AFAIK, the cap is 26, so why am I getting this message?
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_CL rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 26.37 oh_crit 26.37 mh_hit 8.11 oh_hit 8.11 mh_expertise_rating 192 oh_expertise_rating 192 ap 3238 haste 5.49 armor_penetration 3.70 str 123 agi 679 int 367 spi 145 spellpower 971 spell_crit 19.71 spell_hit 10.14 max_mana 10000 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyfire_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lava_lash glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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With 192 expertise rating (23 exp), the sim is telling me I am over the cap. AFAIK, the cap is 26, so why am I getting this message? ep_expertise 4 |
edit - explained more thoroughly by Rounced below.
Last edited by hozzer : 12/02/08 at 1:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by Unclejesse
With 192 expertise rating (23 exp), the sim is telling me I am over the cap. AFAIK, the cap is 26, so why am I getting this message?
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The error message is that your EP value for expertise goes over the cap. EP works by adding the specified value to your stats and looking at the dps change. You specified 4 expertise for the EP calculations which is 32.79 expertise rating, so adding that to your 192 expertise rating brings you to 224.79 rating or 27.42 expertise which is over the cap.
edit - beaten by Hozzer
Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification.
Bug report:
I'm having a problem where anytime I involve MWx_yy (any iteration of 1-5 for x and CL or LB for yy) in the simulator, the simulator appears to build up to 5 charges of maelstrom at which point it simply fails to do anything else. The resulting report shows just a few seconds worth of combat data even though the simulator runs to the end of the cycle. The example I'm providing is stripped down to provide a readable combatlog. If I set bloodlust_casters to 2 you'll see bloodlusts going up and fading for the entire 5 hour simulation window.
If I remove the MWx_yy listing from the rotation, the simulator works just fine.
I first experienced this problem trying to run the precompiled enhsim.exe using DarwineHelper. I figured it was a problem with darwine or some other platform issue. I built enhsim from source using boost and ZThreads on an i586 linux box and I'm seeing the exact same behavior that I saw under Darwine on OSX.
I suspect it may have to do with the double global cooldown entry at this point in the combat log:
0h 0m 8.68s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (5)
0h 0m 9.13s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 9.13s Casting started
0h 0m 9.13s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 10.66s Global cooldown off
Unfortunately, my c++ skills are nearly non-existent. I've done my best to try to diagnose the problem but I just can't read the code well enough to know where to start diddling.
I searched the thread for anyone else experiencing this issue.. I saw that Krish encountered something similar weeks ago but I didn't see any resolution to that issue.
I built enhsim using the Enhsim 1.4.6 source.
The configuration:
The output:
The combatlog:
Is this a known problem? What do you recommend that I try?
Thank you in advance!
I'm having a problem where anytime I involve MWx_yy (any iteration of 1-5 for x and CL or LB for yy) in the simulator, the simulator appears to build up to 5 charges of maelstrom at which point it simply fails to do anything else. The resulting report shows just a few seconds worth of combat data even though the simulator runs to the end of the cycle. The example I'm providing is stripped down to provide a readable combatlog. If I set bloodlust_casters to 2 you'll see bloodlusts going up and fading for the entire 5 hour simulation window.
If I remove the MWx_yy listing from the rotation, the simulator works just fine.
I first experienced this problem trying to run the precompiled enhsim.exe using DarwineHelper. I figured it was a problem with darwine or some other platform issue. I built enhsim from source using boost and ZThreads on an i586 linux box and I'm seeing the exact same behavior that I saw under Darwine on OSX.
I suspect it may have to do with the double global cooldown entry at this point in the combat log:
0h 0m 8.68s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (5)
0h 0m 9.13s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 9.13s Casting started
0h 0m 9.13s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 10.66s Global cooldown off
Unfortunately, my c++ skills are nearly non-existent. I've done my best to try to diagnose the problem but I just can't read the code well enough to know where to start diddling.
I searched the thread for anyone else experiencing this issue.. I saw that Krish encountered something similar weeks ago but I didn't see any resolution to that issue.
I built enhsim using the Enhsim 1.4.6 source.
The configuration:
simulation_time 1 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 1 threads 2 min_lag 20 max_lag 80 simulate_mana 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 0 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/2600 armor_debuff_minor 0/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 haste_buff 0.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/19 agi_and_strength_buff 0/98 intellect_buff 0/40 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.6 mh_crit 18.52 oh_crit 18.52 mh_hit 12.23 oh_hit 12.23 mh_expertise_rating 70 oh_expertise_rating 70 ap 2984 haste 1.16 armor_penetration 5.26 str 131 agi 629 int 533 spi 154 spellpower 1169 spell_crit 13.45 spell_hit 15.29 max_mana 12111 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 - trinket2 - totem - set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 lava_lash glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_major4 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
MH:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 0 0.00%
hit 4 80.00%
crit 1 20.00%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.67%
procs/swings 16.67%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
OH:
miss 1 20.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 2 40.00%
hit 2 40.00%
crit 0 0.00%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 6 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 0 0.00%
crit 1 100.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 0.02
flurry uptime 101.98%
unleashed rage uptime 0.08%
elemental devastation uptime 0.00%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 0.00%
oh enchant uptime 0.00%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 nan%
mp5 0.00 nan%
replenishment 0.00 nan%
unrelenting storm 0.00 nan%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 nan%
shamanistic rage 0.00 nan%
mana potion 0.00 nan%
misc potion 0.00 nan%
DPS PPM MPS
white 0.30 34.77% 0.03
windfury 0.15 17.33% 0.00
flametongue 0.10 11.82% 0.02
stormstrike 0.06 6.5% 0.00 0.02 27.37%
lava lash 0.05 5.54% 0.00 0.01 13.68%
earth shock 0.21 24.04% 0.01 0.04 58.95%
DPS 0.87
MPS 0.07
MP2min 8.05
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 5.00h
elapsed real time: 0.00s
simulation speed: -2147483648x
0h 0m 0s MH SS hit 689.589 0h 0m 0s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (1) 0h 0m 0s OH SS hit 331.626 0h 0m 0s OH Flametongue hit 306.578 0h 0m 0s MH hit 689.589 0h 0m 0s OH hit 331.626 0h 0m 0s OH Flametongue hit 306.578 0h 0m 1.54s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 1.54s Earth shock hit 1866.05 0h 0m 2.47s OH glancing 232.138 0h 0m 2.47s OH Flametongue hit 306.578 0h 0m 2.57s MH hit 689.589 0h 0m 3.09s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 3.09s Lava Lash crit 870.207 0h 0m 3.09s OH Flametongue hit 306.578 0h 0m 3.09s Flurry procs 0h 0m 3.09s Unleashed Rage procs 0h 0m 4.52s OH glancing 246.038 0h 0m 4.52s OH Flametongue hit 315.325 0h 0m 4.61s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 4.67s MH hit 730.892 0h 0m 4.67s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (2) 0h 0m 6.42s OH hit 351.483 0h 0m 6.42s OH Flametongue hit 315.325 0h 0m 6.42s Flurry fades 0h 0m 6.71s MH crit 1461.78 0h 0m 6.71s Flurry procs 0h 0m 7.6s Earth shock hit 1911.43 0h 0m 8.39s OH miss 0h 0m 8.68s MH hit 730.892 0h 0m 8.68s MH WF hit 1361.49 0h 0m 8.68s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (3) 0h 0m 8.68s MH WF hit 1361.49 0h 0m 8.68s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (4) 0h 0m 8.68s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (5) 0h 0m 9.13s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 9.13s Casting started 0h 0m 9.13s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 10.66s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 16.71s Unleashed Rage fades 0h 0m 38.68s Maelstrom Weapon fades
Thank you in advance!
Is anyone else getting spell damage values high enough to give some interesting results when EP values are plugged into something like lootrank? I know that during the beta one of Blizzard's goals was to make enhance shamans less likely to be interested in caster gear, but that hasn't really been born out for me. I get a spell power value of 1.1, which makes a fair amount of caster gear very desirable, especially cloaks, necks and, yes, main hand weapons. Sim plus loot rank are, in fact, giving me 25 man Kel'Thuzad's healing mace as the best weapon in the game. I ran the sim with that weapons stats over the stats of my current main hand (greed), and came out with a 150 dps increase. Is this normal? And if it is, shouldn't something be done about it?
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Originally Posted by Honuk
Is anyone else getting spell damage values high enough to give some interesting results when EP values are plugged into something like lootrank? I know that during the beta one of Blizzard's goals was to make enhance shamans less likely to be interested in caster gear, but that hasn't really been born out for me. I get a spell power value of 1.1, which makes a fair amount of caster gear very desirable, especially cloaks, necks and, yes, main hand weapons. Sim plus loot rank are, in fact, giving me 25 man Kel'Thuzad's healing mace as the best weapon in the game. I ran the sim with that weapons stats over the stats of my current main hand (greed), and came out with a 150 dps increase. Is this normal? And if it is, shouldn't something be done about it?
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Originally Posted by Honuk
Is anyone else getting spell damage values high enough to give some interesting results when EP values are plugged into something like lootrank? I know that during the beta one of Blizzard's goals was to make enhance shamans less likely to be interested in caster gear, but that hasn't really been born out for me. I get a spell power value of 1.1, which makes a fair amount of caster gear very desirable, especially cloaks, necks and, yes, main hand weapons. Sim plus loot rank are, in fact, giving me 25 man Kel'Thuzad's healing mace as the best weapon in the game. I ran the sim with that weapons stats over the stats of my current main hand (greed), and came out with a 150 dps increase. Is this normal? And if it is, shouldn't something be done about it?
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I did have weights for damage and speed inputed, yes. I could see some speed bug throwing off some of those weapon values, but the wraith strike is 2.60 speed; no amount of number fiddling is going to stop that from being a top three weapon for me.
I also tested double flametongue with a caster main hand and got comparable dps to WF/FT with any weapon combo you could care to name.
I also tested double flametongue with a caster main hand and got comparable dps to WF/FT with any weapon combo you could care to name.
any chance of getting a bit more setup by step xCode setup and build help?
the info I read so far is still rather out there for a code noob...
the info I read so far is still rather out there for a code noob...
I was able to get a WWS parse of my Patchwerk combat logs from last night and compare the simulator with a real world example.
The simulator is giving me ~4700 dps estimates (I can post the config file when i get home if it is warranted).
Patchwerk shows me at ~3880 dps. So my concern is that if the simulator is off by ~20 percent, could this skew EP weights when I calculate them? And a bigger question would be: Are others seeing such large discrepancies between the sim and actual boss encounters?
Possibilities: Patchwerk armor/mitigation is different than stated in sim, the sim is off, WWS/recount are off, my raid mates were terrible at putting up buffs and/or I got extremely unlucky with crits.
My WWS
The simulator is giving me ~4700 dps estimates (I can post the config file when i get home if it is warranted).
Patchwerk shows me at ~3880 dps. So my concern is that if the simulator is off by ~20 percent, could this skew EP weights when I calculate them? And a bigger question would be: Are others seeing such large discrepancies between the sim and actual boss encounters?
Possibilities: Patchwerk armor/mitigation is different than stated in sim, the sim is off, WWS/recount are off, my raid mates were terrible at putting up buffs and/or I got extremely unlucky with crits.
My WWS
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Originally Posted by Honuk
Is anyone else getting spell damage values high enough to give some interesting results when EP values are plugged into something like lootrank? I know that during the beta one of Blizzard's goals was to make enhance shamans less likely to be interested in caster gear, but that hasn't really been born out for me. I get a spell power value of 1.1, which makes a fair amount of caster gear very desirable, especially cloaks, necks and, yes, main hand weapons. Sim plus loot rank are, in fact, giving me 25 man Kel'Thuzad's healing mace as the best weapon in the game. I ran the sim with that weapons stats over the stats of my current main hand (greed), and came out with a 150 dps increase. Is this normal? And if it is, shouldn't something be done about it?
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Originally Posted by Rako
I'm getting similar numbers. Right now SP is 1.22 and Int is 1.43 EP from the sim. Alot of the caster rings and necks are looking very good. Also several of the 2.5+ speed caster weapons. When running the sim over 50% of my damage is from spells. Maybe with more Naxx gear the scaling will go back toward AP. Also if Blizzard does increase the scaling on LB and make Manga totem tick for alot more then we will be doing even more spell damage. I know MT is costly for mana, but this week was my first 25 mana Naxx run and I didnt need SR on a single fight, so the mana is thier, for me at least.
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Caster rings and necks will always look good even when your gear gets better and you replace that offhand with a real enhancement weapon (slow/slow always and forever or until Blizzard makes it not so). But melee has some damn nice alternatives that are complete crap for casters so leave the rings and necks to the casters unless they are going to rot.
Spellpower runs about 0.9 value for me and Intellect is about 1.5 (gets 1.1AP from talents+kings and then there is the spell crit and increased mana pool to take into account as well) so your values aren't that far off.
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Originally Posted by Acks
I was able to get a WWS parse of my Patchwerk combat logs from last night and compare the simulator with a real world example.
The simulator is giving me ~4700 dps estimates (I can post the config file when i get home if it is warranted). Patchwerk shows me at ~3880 dps. So my concern is that if the simulator is off by ~20 percent, could this skew EP weights when I calculate them? And a bigger question would be: Are others seeing such large discrepancies between the sim and actual boss encounters? Possibilities: Patchwerk armor/mitigation is different than stated in sim, the sim is off, WWS/recount are off, my raid mates were terrible at putting up buffs and/or I got extremely unlucky with crits. My WWS |
Was your raid fully optimized?
MMO-Champion RaidComp
If you are missing some buffs that you used in the sim or the buffs you used in the sim are of a greater value then you actually had it could easily cost you that much dps.
Edit - checked your parse and you are missing an Elemental Shaman or a Moonkin so you are losing the Spell Crit buff and a bunch of spellpower (assuming your resto shaman was dropping Flametongue so that you were in range of the totem) since there was no Totem of Wrath present.
Uncheck your Spell crit chance buff and change your Spellpower buff to whatever you were getting from Flametongue or from Demonic Pact (whichever is higher) since the default setting is for 280 which you only get from Totem of Wrath. So that would be a loss of 5% spell crit and probably 130 spellpower which should account for the difference seen between the parse and your sim results.
Also keep in mind that the Sim is perfect play, something that we all strive to emulate but that is basically impossible to obtain, that said also make sure that you are setting some latency into your settings since the default is 0 and no one ever gets to raid without any latency.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Fast offhand favors higher spell damage values.
Caster rings and necks will always look good even when your gear gets better and you replace that offhand with a real enhancement weapon (slow/slow always and forever or until Blizzard makes it not so). But melee has some damn nice alternatives that are complete crap for casters so leave the rings and necks to the casters unless they are going to rot. Spellpower runs about 0.9 value for me and Intellect is about 1.5 (gets 1.1AP from talents+kings and then there is the spell crit and increased mana pool to take into account as well) so your values aren't that far off. |
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Originally Posted by Rako
I have ran sims and also used the test dumb and the 1.6 off-hand I'm using does alot more DPS then the slow off-hands I have access to. It will be replace as soon as I can, But even when I change the offhand speed to 2.6 in the sim, and leave all other number the same, I get very similar result: 1.18 SP and 1.35 Int. I dont plan on bidding on the cast items yet, but the fact that caster gear is as good and in some cases better then Melee gear is something we need to keep an eye on. One thing I have noticed is that ArP is pretty crappy for us and the stat is on a lot gear. While caster gear (DPS) dont waste points on stuff we dont need. I dont think AP is weighted the same way as SP on gear so should get more AP on items then they have SP for now.
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The items are itemized correctly, it's just that spellpower has value for us and so does intellect and so does hit and crit and even haste so a caster item will have value and will be good but an item perfectly itemized for melee (without ArP) will end up being even better for us then an equivalent ilevel caster item.
I know this line of questioning is really done to death, but the more I look over my logs the less Slow only in off-hand is really the end all. I know for SS and LL slow off hand helps.
My logs give SS 6.5% and LL 3.5% of my damage. 66% of the SS damage is from the main hand so 1/3 of that damage is from the off-hand. So off hand speed is affecting 6% of my total damage.
Even with a slow off hand we lose only 1/3 of that damage. That is from the medium damage of a 1.6 and a 2.6 speed weapon. Thats losing about 2-2.5% from a slow offhand. But now that we have FT in the off hand we gain about 1.5-2% from FT. I tested this in the sim and it seems my numbers are correct.
Thats a total lose of about 1%. 1% is still 1% so slow off-hand is better, but with only a 1% difference the stats on the weapon might be more important then the actually speed. For a quick test just lower you off-hand speed in the sim by 1 and see how close you are. It just seems to me that with all thing equal slow is better but since when is all things equal.
My logs give SS 6.5% and LL 3.5% of my damage. 66% of the SS damage is from the main hand so 1/3 of that damage is from the off-hand. So off hand speed is affecting 6% of my total damage.
Even with a slow off hand we lose only 1/3 of that damage. That is from the medium damage of a 1.6 and a 2.6 speed weapon. Thats losing about 2-2.5% from a slow offhand. But now that we have FT in the off hand we gain about 1.5-2% from FT. I tested this in the sim and it seems my numbers are correct.
Thats a total lose of about 1%. 1% is still 1% so slow off-hand is better, but with only a 1% difference the stats on the weapon might be more important then the actually speed. For a quick test just lower you off-hand speed in the sim by 1 and see how close you are. It just seems to me that with all thing equal slow is better but since when is all things equal.
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Originally Posted by Rako
I know this line of questioning is really done to death, but the more I look over my logs the less Slow only in off-hand is really the end all. I know for SS and LL slow off hand helps.
My logs give SS 6.5% and LL 3.5% of my damage. 66% of the SS damage is from the main hand so 1/3 of that damage is from the off-hand. So off hand speed is affecting 6% of my total damage. Even with a slow off hand we lose only 1/3 of that damage. That is from the medium damage of a 1.6 and a 2.6 speed weapon. Thats losing about 2-2.5% from a slow offhand. But now that we have FT in the off hand we gain about 1.5-2% from FT. I tested this in the sim and it seems my numbers are correct. Thats a total lose of about 1%. 1% is still 1% so slow off-hand is better, but with only a 1% difference the stats on the weapon might be more important then the actually speed. For a quick test just lower you off-hand speed in the sim by 1 and see how close you are. It just seems to me that with all thing equal slow is better but since when is all things equal. |
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Originally Posted by Skiace
The other aspect missing from this is that slower weapons result in more MW procs. All in all, this is the reason you should use the sim to test possible weapon upgrades, because it's just so much simpler than trying to pin down a consistent rule to follow.
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QFT
A 2.6 speed weapon has a 43% chance for a MW proc on every Lava Lash and Stormstrike hit while a 1.6 speed weapon will only have a 27% chance.
I played with the Sim for you about weapon speeds.
Starting with my base stats 2.5/2.5 (which should work out in your favor since they are a bit fast to begin with but they are all that RNG has given me so far) I get 4790dps. Changing Weapon speed on the offhand to 1.6, I get 4744 dps. Doesn't seem like much does it?
So then I changed the weapon speed back up to 2.5/2.5 and started playing with the offhand dps and to get an equivalent level of dps I dropped down to a 114dps weapon which gave me 4746dps. So for dps calculations for an offhand weapon a 114dps 2.5 speed weapon is equal to a 143.6dps 1.6 speed weapon.
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Originally Posted by Acks
I was able to get a WWS parse of my Patchwerk combat logs from last night and compare the simulator with a real world example.
The simulator is giving me ~4700 dps estimates (I can post the config file when i get home if it is warranted). Patchwerk shows me at ~3880 dps. So my concern is that if the simulator is off by ~20 percent, could this skew EP weights when I calculate them? And a bigger question would be: Are others seeing such large discrepancies between the sim and actual boss encounters? Possibilities: Patchwerk armor/mitigation is different than stated in sim, the sim is off, WWS/recount are off, my raid mates were terrible at putting up buffs and/or I got extremely unlucky with crits. My WWS |
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So as I'm looking to the future, and much needed weapon upgrades, I started sim'ing some of the different alternatives for off hand weapons. The general opinion is slow is better, but as I started looking closer, I noticed something peculiar, and I was hoping for a second opinion from the community.
Here is my config file. This is setup with my current stats, but I changed the main hand weapon DPS to match [Calamity's Grasp], and the off hand weapon DPS to 156.4 (a common value for a variety of possible off hands [Angry Dread],[Anarchy],[The Hand of Nerub],[Webbed Death]).
So with the generally accepted theory is that slower is better. Unfortunately a 2.6s OH weapon with 156DPS is not available until Arena Season 5 begins. But here are the results since that is the base I started with:
So I started looking at alternatives, and what I found was somewhat surprising.
Here is a summary of the results:
So while the 2.6/2.6 setup does seem to be good, it isn't yet possible. Among the available alternatives, the faster the better.
Now I've noticed from sim'ing my gear repeatedly, that using 2.6 vs 2.5 speed weapons seems to land me on the endge of a haste rating plateau. That is, I get large values for haste when using 2.6 speed weapons, and near zero (or even negative) values when using 2.5 speed weapons.
Anyway, I was hoping that someone could take a look and either confirm these results or find a mistake that I've made.
Here is my config file. This is setup with my current stats, but I changed the main hand weapon DPS to match [Calamity's Grasp], and the off hand weapon DPS to 156.4 (a common value for a variety of possible off hands [Angry Dread],[Anarchy],[The Hand of Nerub],[Webbed Death]).
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 250 simulate_mana 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise -16 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 9 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 200 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 29.94 oh_crit 29.94 mh_hit 11.38 oh_hit 11.38 mh_expertise_rating 215.00 oh_expertise_rating 215.00 ap 3476 haste 2.10 armor_penetration 9.22 str 139 agi 775 int 503 spi 162 spellpower 1042 spell_crit 22.94 spell_hit 14.22 max_mana 11661 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - oh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 sphere_of_the_red_dragons_blood trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem - set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
DPS PPM MPS white 1626.88 37.78% 78.89 windfury 607.29 14.1% 6.50 flametongue 358.15 8.32% 48.97 stormstrike 286.31 6.65% 6.21 20.83 28.22% lava lash 149.03 3.46% 6.99 8.45 11.44% earth shock 444.00 10.31% 7.92 16.67 22.58% lightning bolt 647.43 15.04% 8.09 27.88 37.76% lightning shield 186.90 4.34% 8.60 0.00 0.00% DPS 4306.00 MPS 73.82 MP2min 8858.68 MRPS 73.62 Out of mana time 0.00% elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h elapsed real time: 16.36s simulation speed: 1100311x
Here is a summary of the results:
MH/OH DPS 2.6/2.6 4306.00 <- Not available until Season 5 starts 2.6/2.5 4269.50 2.6/2.2 4260.30 <- Does not exist 2.6/2.0 4265.70 <- Does not exist 2.6/1.8 4271.90 2.6/1.6 4285.02 2.6/1.4 4312.88
Now I've noticed from sim'ing my gear repeatedly, that using 2.6 vs 2.5 speed weapons seems to land me on the endge of a haste rating plateau. That is, I get large values for haste when using 2.6 speed weapons, and near zero (or even negative) values when using 2.5 speed weapons.
Anyway, I was hoping that someone could take a look and either confirm these results or find a mistake that I've made.
Last edited by Nevets_69 : 12/04/08 at 3:14 AM.
i think the Sim is correct cause the sim tells me i'm doing 5146 dps with no lag and in my last Patchwerk kill i did 5029 dps
Wow Web Stats
and here my gear The World of Warcraft Armory
sry for my bad english
Wow Web Stats
and here my gear The World of Warcraft Armory
sry for my bad english
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Originally Posted by Slainor
i think the Sim is correct cause the sim tells me i'm doing 5146 dps with no lag and in my last Patchwerk kill i did 5029 dps
Wow Web Stats and here my gear The World of Warcraft Armory sry for my bad english |
hm, i didn't sim this before but you're right with 2/3 imp shields and 5/5 elemental fury it's a dps gain by 50
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Originally Posted by Nevets_69
So while the 2.6/2.6 setup does seem to be good, it isn't yet possible. Among the available alternatives, the faster the better.
Now I've noticed from sim'ing my gear repeatedly, that using 2.6 vs 2.5 speed weapons seems to land me on the endge of a haste rating plateau. That is, I get large values for haste when using 2.6 speed weapons, and near zero (or even negative) values when using 2.5 speed weapons. Anyway, I was hoping that someone could take a look and either confirm these results or find a mistake that I've made. |
The results I posted above are also from the Sim so I'm not really sure what is going on except to suggest that we are a very complicated class and there are numerous levels of certain stats that can play havok with our expected results. Ask Toots about the haste plateus that occur when using WF only on the mainhand and you will see what I am talking about, or look back through this thread and see the shaman who was getting a huge EP value for +hit after the spell hit cap because he had so little expertise that anything that increased his melee hit rate was a huge boost.
We aren't simple to figure out and that is the thing I love the most about Enh Shaman theorycraft. All I can suggest is to use Rawr and the Sim to try and work out what is and what is not an upgrade ahead of time so you don't end up grabbing something that actually decreases your dps but that would have been an upgrade for someone else in your raid.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I appreciate all the work you've done with the post and I've tried to look for flaws in what you input into the sim or in your results and I can't really find any besides maybe that you haven't added any weapon enchants (guessing you are using a weapon chain or the 50AP enchants which is why nothing is selected since they would show on the paperdoll).
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Originally Posted by Rounced
The results I posted above are also from the Sim so I'm not really sure what is going on except to suggest that we are a very complicated class and there are numerous levels of certain stats that can play havok with our expected results.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Ask Toots about the haste plateus that occur when using WF only on the mainhand and you will see what I am talking about, or look back through this thread and see the shaman who was getting a huge EP value for +hit after the spell hit cap because he had so little expertise that anything that increased his melee hit rate was a huge boost.
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Originally Posted by Nevets_69
Has this been discussed within this thread? I follow it pretty closely, but don't remember seeing any really conclusive results on the WF plateau. Guess I'll do a search, but a link would be appreciated. |
Anyone found a situation yet where Stonebreakers totem is NOT better than level 80 relics?
It looks like the effects of haste (other than bloodlust) on the global cooldown are not currently being modeled. Can you confirm/deny this tukez? Thanks!
With 20% passive haste in the config for testing:
With 20% passive haste in the config for testing:
0h 0m 44.86s Lightning Bolt hit 1663.67 0h 0m 45.88s OH hit 303.679 0h 0m 45.88s Shamanistic Rage procs 791.7 0h 0m 45.88s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (1) 0h 0m 46.34s MH crit 1263.3 0h 0m 46.37s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 46.37s Earth shock hit 1460.62 0h 0m 47.48s OH miss 0h 0m 47.88s Global cooldown off
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Originally Posted by Malan
Shaman: Enhancement
Anyone found a situation yet where Stonebreakers totem is NOT better than level 80 relics? |
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According to EhnSim i get less DPS using [Bandit's Insignia] than not using it (the procc). There's like 2-3 DKP difference, can anyone explain this?
Can't see how a damageprocc should lower my DPS.
Can't see how a damageprocc should lower my DPS.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Shaman: Enhancement
Anyone found a situation yet where Stonebreakers totem is NOT better than level 80 relics? |
But in a real raid setting... I personally cannot tell the difference between any of them. :-/
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Originally Posted by hozzer
It looks like the effects of haste (other than bloodlust) on the global cooldown are not currently being modeled. Can you confirm/deny this tukez? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by AeroByte
According to EhnSim i get less DPS using [Bandit's Insignia] than not using it (the procc). There's like 2-3 DKP difference, can anyone explain this?
Can't see how a damageprocc should lower my DPS. |
Interesting, the sim was showing Dueling as being a significant drop in DPS. Must just be a gearing thing.
Elemental Plane
Splintering
Stonebreakers
Seems they are all equivalent for me and there is no real reason to spend your WotLK badges if you already have stonebreakers.
EDIT:
Config for those who care.
MH:
miss 2457123 10.42%
dodge 235829 1.00%
glancing 5886261 24.96%
hit 4991331 21.17%
crit 10011637 42.45%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.24%
procs/swings 13.73%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 77230 1.02%
hit 4326596 57.10%
crit 3173782 41.88%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 40022 1.00%
hit 2289627 57.18%
crit 1674753 41.82%
OH:
miss 2556623 10.42%
dodge 245022 1.00%
glancing 6124556 24.95%
hit 5194074 21.16%
crit 10422884 42.47%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 18757206 61.55%
crit 11718135 38.45%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 39207 0.99%
hit 2269214 57.24%
crit 1655959 41.77%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3172599 61.53%
crit 1983806 38.47%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 48338 1.00%
hit 2761789 56.86%
crit 2046865 42.14%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2993643 61.50%
crit 1873916 38.50%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4151849 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 44.52
flurry uptime 84.80%
unleashed rage uptime 99.97%
elemental devastation uptime 72.63%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 34.83%
oh enchant uptime 31.55%
trinket1 uptime 20.52%
trinket2 uptime 17.44%
totem uptime 10.96%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.07 0.06%
mp5 34.53 30.96%
replenishment 24.05 21.56%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 19.01 17.04%
shamanistic rage 33.88 30.37%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1299.03 32.58% 80.21
windfury 564.77 14.17% 6.31
flametongue 394.48 9.89% 50.79
stormstrike 247.21 6.2% 6.67 36.77 28.64%
lava lash 134.76 3.38% 8.09 16.70 13.01%
searing totem 217.30 5.45% 1.00 4.83 3.76%
earth shock 441.29 11.07% 8.59 26.41 20.57%
lightning bolt 543.19 13.62% 8.11 43.69 34.02%
lightning shield 144.82 3.63% 0.77 0.00 0.00%
DPS 3986.86
MPS 128.40
MP2min 15407.54
MRPS 132.05
Out of mana time 0.01%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 59.08s
simulation speed: 609312x
MH:
miss 2444232 10.43%
dodge 234605 1.00%
glancing 5857184 24.98%
hit 4962271 21.17%
crit 9946685 42.43%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.31%
procs/swings 13.80%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 76675 1.01%
hit 4319562 57.04%
crit 3177073 41.95%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 40291 1.01%
hit 2291826 57.27%
crit 1669864 41.73%
OH:
miss 2542218 10.42%
dodge 243716 1.00%
glancing 6094883 24.98%
hit 5167150 21.18%
crit 10349852 42.42%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 18679942 61.57%
crit 11661755 38.43%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 39166 0.99%
hit 2267423 57.23%
crit 1655101 41.78%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3174489 61.55%
crit 1983110 38.45%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 48611 1.00%
hit 2760744 56.85%
crit 2046544 42.15%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2982272 61.52%
crit 1865038 38.48%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4146233 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 44.32
flurry uptime 84.83%
unleashed rage uptime 99.97%
elemental devastation uptime 72.54%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 34.88%
oh enchant uptime 31.46%
trinket1 uptime 20.51%
trinket2 uptime 17.42%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.07 0.06%
mp5 34.53 31.02%
replenishment 24.05 21.61%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 18.99 17.06%
shamanistic rage 33.66 30.24%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1290.91 32.37% 79.74
windfury 579.40 14.53% 6.31
flametongue 392.70 9.85% 50.57
stormstrike 246.93 6.19% 6.67 36.75 28.6
lava lash 134.72 3.38% 8.09 16.71 13.0
searing totem 217.14 5.44% 1.00 4.83 3.77
earth shock 441.32 11.06% 8.60 26.42 20.6
lightning bolt 540.81 13.56% 8.08 43.52 33.9
lightning shield 144.62 3.63% 0.77 0.00 0.00
DPS 3988.55
MPS 128.22
MP2min 15386.46
MRPS 131.80
Out of mana time 0.01%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 48.18s
simulation speed: 747260x
MH:
miss 2444277 10.43%
dodge 233973 1.00%
glancing 5855676 24.98%
hit 4964383 21.17%
crit 9946912 42.43%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.30%
procs/swings 13.78%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 76889 1.02%
hit 4320726 57.11%
crit 3168093 41.87%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 39948 1.00%
hit 2291080 57.25%
crit 1670809 41.75%
OH:
miss 2541075 10.42%
dodge 244053 1.00%
glancing 6092274 24.97%
hit 5164896 21.17%
crit 10355769 42.45%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 18668881 61.53%
crit 11674510 38.47%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 38805 0.98%
hit 2267700 57.24%
crit 1655384 41.78%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3174691 61.55%
crit 1983397 38.45%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 48257 0.99%
hit 2761508 56.87%
crit 2045860 42.13%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2983686 61.53%
crit 1865137 38.47%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4138808 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 44.33
flurry uptime 84.83%
unleashed rage uptime 99.97%
elemental devastation uptime 72.55%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 34.88%
oh enchant uptime 31.49%
trinket1 uptime 20.51%
trinket2 uptime 17.42%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.07 0.06%
mp5 34.54 31.03%
replenishment 24.06 21.62%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 18.98 17.06%
shamanistic rage 33.65 30.23%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1291.07 32.37% 79.74
windfury 578.50 14.51% 6.30
flametongue 392.83 9.85% 50.57
stormstrike 246.98 6.19% 6.67 36.75 28.65
lava lash 134.71 3.38% 8.09 16.70 13.02
searing totem 217.15 5.45% 1.00 4.83 3.77%
earth shock 441.37 11.07% 8.60 26.43 20.61
lightning bolt 540.95 13.56% 8.08 43.54 33.95
lightning shield 144.36 3.62% 0.77 0.00 0.00%
DPS 3987.92
MPS 128.24
MP2min 15389.13
MRPS 131.64
Out of mana time 0.01%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 40.43s
simulation speed: 890537x
EDIT:
Config for those who care.
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 150 simulate_mana 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 ST rotation_priority7 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance shadow_resistance armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food rhinolicious_wyrmsteak misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.6 mh_crit 25.07 oh_crit 25.07 mh_hit 10.58 oh_hit 10.58 mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 ap 2842 haste 1.16 armor_penetration 1.43 str 129 agi 681 int 285 spi 153 spellpower 852 spell_crit 17.89 spell_hit 13.23 max_mana 8391 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 meteorite_whetstone trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 5/5 concussion 2/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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Originally Posted by tukez
Also a bug. Are you using Deathfrost also? That would explain the lower DPS as Bandit's Insignia was resetting misc damage every proc. I'll upload a new version later today.
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Enh Sim tells me that i reached expertise cap and that the ep calculation will be skipped für that stat.
this is my config file:
i already set the ep range for expertise to 1, but it still tells me that i am over the cap. any sugestions?
this is my config file:
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 1 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
race draenei //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.50
oh_speed 2.80
mh_dps 156.6
oh_dps 112.0
mh_crit 22.85 //%
oh_crit 22.85
mh_hit 11 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 11
mh_expertise_rating 151 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 151
ap 2841 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
haste 6.43 //%
armor_penetration 0 //%
str 184
agi 558
int 412
spi 151
spellpower 852 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 17.91 //%
spell_hit 6.25 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
max_mana 10296
mp5 90 //in combat
enhsim 1.4.8
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Originally Posted by AeroByte
Running double Mongoose + [Fury of the Five Flights]
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1.4.8
-Config option ep_precision added. It defines how many decimal digits there are in EP values.
-EP value export added. Export strings can be found and edited in enhsim_ep_exports.txt. You can add, edit, remove or comment out strings.
-Now you can output to file using output parameter when starting the executable. Also combatlog file can be chosen. Example: enhsim.exe config.txt ep output=output.txt, enhsim_combatlog.exe config.txt log=log2.txt.
-Fixed a bug where paper doll haste rating wasn't affecting spell GCD.
-Fixed Bandit's Insignia, Pendulum of Telluric Currents and Vestige of Haldor. They were resetting misc damage every proc.
I couldn't find Enhancer's EP string. Could someone post it here, so I can add it as default to enhsim_ep_export.txt
Hey guys, Im a long time lurker on the EJ forums and thought I could contribute to the offhand debate started by nevets_69 (or at least confirm which is better for me).
I did some simming but I dont wanna go yell out till someone can confirm I did it right (since im kinda new to EnhSim).
Mind you I calculated with my own gear and the mainhand is therefore [Kel'Thuzad's Reach] not [Calamity's Grasp]. But as offhand I use [Sinister Revenge] which nevets_69 seemed to have missed.
I compared it vs the 'best' slow offhand Angry Dread which is 2.5 speed. Here are the results.
Angry Dread:
Sinister Revenge:
So I end up on:
Angry Dread : 5194.98 DPS
Sinister Revenge: 5243.24 DPS
Which is 48,26 dps better. But keep in mind sinister revenge is 14,5 DPS higher.
If there are factor's I missed (should I sim [Webbed Death] for completion?) please let me know. Also let me know if this didn't help at all and i'll go back to lurking ;P
I did some simming but I dont wanna go yell out till someone can confirm I did it right (since im kinda new to EnhSim).
Mind you I calculated with my own gear and the mainhand is therefore [Kel'Thuzad's Reach] not [Calamity's Grasp]. But as offhand I use [Sinister Revenge] which nevets_69 seemed to have missed.
I compared it vs the 'best' slow offhand Angry Dread which is 2.5 speed. Here are the results.
Angry Dread:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 10 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.08 oh_crit 30.08 mh_hit 10.79 oh_hit 10.79 mh_expertise_rating 206 oh_expertise_rating 206 ap 3447 haste 6.41 armor_penetration 0 str 133 agi 746 int 502 spi 153 spellpower 1308 spell_crit 23.48 spell_hit 13.48 max_mana 11600 mp5 92 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 0/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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MH:
miss 2906523 11.18%
dodge 64904 0.25%
glancing 6488499 24.96%
hit 3388226 13.04%
crit 13143681 50.57%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.19%
procs/swings 12.79%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 19680 0.26%
hit 3798903 49.33%
crit 3882083 50.41%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 10495 0.25%
hit 2043199 49.62%
crit 2064036 50.13%
OH:
miss 3019772 11.19%
dodge 67581 0.25%
glancing 6735778 24.95%
hit 3517905 13.03%
crit 13656429 50.58%
OH Flametongue:
miss 171206 0.52%
hit 18683527 56.46%
crit 14235911 43.02%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 10215 0.25%
hit 2035873 49.57%
crit 2061147 50.18%
Earth Shock:
miss 28210 0.53%
hit 3005698 56.46%
crit 2289737 43.01%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 12701 0.25%
hit 2509633 49.25%
crit 2573879 50.51%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 27731 0.52%
hit 2981653 56.43%
crit 2274207 43.04%
Lightning Shield:
miss 24436 0.54%
hit 4492669 99.46%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 48.10
flurry uptime 90.36%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 79.36%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 35.33%
oh enchant uptime 31.95%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 18.31%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 35.07 34.27%
replenishment 36.91 36.06%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 30.37 29.67%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1744.24 33.58% 88.32
windfury 685.02 13.19% 6.42
flametongue 551.00 10.61% 55.15
stormstrike 309.36 5.96% 6.86 37.81 26.29%
lava lash 179.22 3.45% 8.49 16.95 11.78%
earth shock 604.50 11.64% 8.87 36.46 25.35%
lightning bolt 833.99 16.05% 8.81 52.63 36.58%
lightning shield 287.64 5.54% 0.84 0.00 0.00%
DPS 5194.98
MPS 143.85
MP2min 17262.49
MRPS 103.36
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 26.35s
simulation speed: 1366327x
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 10 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.8 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 171.1 mh_crit 29.51 oh_crit 29.51 mh_hit 11.16 oh_hit 11.16 mh_expertise_rating 206 oh_expertise_rating 206 ap 3464 haste 7.14 armor_penetration 0 str 133 agi 746 int 502 spi 153 spellpower 1313 spell_crit 22.85 spell_hit 13.95 max_mana 11600 mp5 92 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 0/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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MH:
miss 2815957 10.81%
dodge 64997 0.25%
glancing 6492878 24.93%
hit 3676284 14.12%
crit 12993306 49.89%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.22%
procs/swings 12.86%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 19811 0.26%
hit 3881699 50.05%
crit 3854888 49.70%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 10318 0.25%
hit 2069593 50.34%
crit 2031328 49.41%
OH:
miss 4083085 10.82%
dodge 94623 0.25%
glancing 9419881 24.96%
hit 5314419 14.08%
crit 18822640 49.88%
OH Flametongue:
miss 21435 0.05%
hit 24528795 57.37%
crit 18206918 42.58%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 10353 0.25%
hit 2062401 50.29%
crit 2028167 49.46%
Earth Shock:
miss 2779 0.05%
hit 3062067 57.35%
crit 2274026 42.59%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 13079 0.26%
hit 2559097 49.96%
crit 2550543 49.79%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 2597 0.05%
hit 2946456 57.33%
crit 2189978 42.61%
Lightning Shield:
miss 2740 0.05%
hit 5069531 99.95%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 46.63
flurry uptime 88.63%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 78.45%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 35.34%
oh enchant uptime 28.75%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 18.69%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 35.11 34.13%
replenishment 36.95 35.92%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 30.82 29.95%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1765.20 33.67% 106.30
windfury 687.85 13.12% 6.46
flametongue 631.75 12.05% 71.26
stormstrike 281.50 5.37% 6.85 37.75 26.39%
lava lash 132.73 2.53% 8.54 17.14 11.98%
earth shock 606.97 11.58% 8.90 36.84 25.75%
lightning bolt 812.27 15.49% 8.57 51.32 35.88%
lightning shield 324.96 6.2% 0.94 0.00 0.00%
DPS 5243.24
MPS 143.06
MP2min 17167.12
MRPS 103.83
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 29.09s
simulation speed: 1237751x
Angry Dread : 5194.98 DPS
Sinister Revenge: 5243.24 DPS
Which is 48,26 dps better. But keep in mind sinister revenge is 14,5 DPS higher.
If there are factor's I missed (should I sim [Webbed Death] for completion?) please let me know. Also let me know if this didn't help at all and i'll go back to lurking ;P
Not all food buffs seem to be represented, the Expertise food in particular.
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Originally Posted by Artoxia
Enh Sim tells me that i reached expertise cap and that the ep calculation will be skipped für that stat.
... i already set the ep range for expertise to 1, but it still tells me that i am over the cap. any sugestions? |
You might be using older GUI version and you have enhsim.exe in the path. Then it believes you use level 70.
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Originally Posted by Purges
I'm not sure if this was simply a rhetoric question or not. But Stonebreakers is coming out anywhere from 5DPS less to equal to the Totem of Dueling for me. And curiously, Totem of Hex is actually coming out about 10DPS higher than both of those in my simulations. I am currently running with Dueling though. Those are the only 3 I've tested so far as they are the only relics I posses. If this is an oddity, I'd be more than happy to post my code file.
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For me Totem of Dueling is always lower then Stonebreak, but only by a small margin. Its one of many things that everyone has to sim out for themselves. Another week of Naxx runs will change my equipment alot, so I will just resim it then.
Last edited by Rako : 12/08/08 at 1:35 PM.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I couldn't find Enhancer's EP string. Could someone post it here, so I can add it as default to enhsim_ep_export.txt
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The addon can import a LootRank string and is perhaps best output as this as that kills two birds with one stone. The main reason for not doing an old "Enhancer" style export string at present is that it was the old Yo! sim string which doesn't support some of the new stats mainly INT.
AP:100;CR:167;STR:200;AGI:148;HR:175;HsR:169;IA:023;ExP:258;
was the format.
Exporting a LootRank or Lootzor string should work just fine. I could do an update of EquivalencePoints if the strings you create have further issues with the importing. As either website may have adjusted the syntax of their URL. If you get the URL right I can amend EquivPoints to get the import right.
I see a beautiful symmetry between exporting from game with ShockAndAwe to EnhSim which feeds output back into game to Equivalence Points, displaying possible kit upgrades on LootRank on the way. I've even looked at packaging Equivalence Points as an optional part of ShockAndAwe as I feel the two combined gives an Enh Shaman a great deal of information to work with to improve their play.
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Originally Posted by Levva
I see a beautiful symmetry between exporting from game with ShockAndAwe to EnhSim which feeds output back into game to Equivalence Points, displaying possible kit upgrades on LootRank on the way. I've even looked at packaging Equivalence Points as an optional part of ShockAndAwe as I feel the two combined gives an Enh Shaman a great deal of information to work with to improve their play.
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I made an export string for Lootrank. So can EquivalencePoints also import this? Add this to the enhsim_ep_exports.txt.
I noticed a minor rounding bug in exporting. On screen, values are rounded normally, but export strings truncate the values, I think.
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=$strength&mh=$haste&dps=$mhdps&mp5=$mp5&mcr=$crit&odps=$ohdps&spd=$spellpower&Agi=$agility&mhit=$hit&Int=$intelligence&Spi=$spirit&map=$attackpower&arp=$armorp&Exp=$expertise
You should remove Drums of Battle since they aren't relevant to level 80 characters.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Interesting, the sim was showing Dueling as being a significant drop in DPS. Must just be a gearing thing.
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Here are the precise results for my gear:
Totem of Splintering: 5425.95 DPS
Totem of the Elemental Plane: 5432.81 DPS
Stonebreaker's Totem: 5441.28 DPS
Totem of Hex: 5449.37 DPS
Totem of Dueling: 5452.04 DPS
Dueling and Hex are so close I don't think it really truly matters, but I'm a perfectionist so I'll be sticking with my Totem of Dueling.
Last edited by Triper : 12/05/08 at 4:23 PM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Not all food buffs seem to be represented, the Expertise food in particular.
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I think all the old 70 foods are obsolete now compared to their new 80 counterparts, so they can probably be safely removed and replaced with the new food.
Here's a list of some of the new consumables we might benefit most from:
[taken from wowhead; filtering crafted by a profession and the stat in question > 0]
Armor penetration
[Elixir of Armor Piercing]
[Hearty Rhino]
Expertise
[Elixir of Expertise]
[Rhinolicious Wyrmsteak]
Attack Power
[Flask of Endless Rage]
[Wrath Elixir]
[Mega Mammoth Meal] or [Poached Northern Sculpin]
[Mammoth Meal] or [Grilled Sculpin]
[Dalaran Clam Chowder]
Crit rating
[Elixir of Deadly Strikes]
[Spiced Wyrm Burger] or [Spicy Blue Nettlefish]
[Wyrm Delight] or [Poached Nettlefish]
Haste rating
[Elixir of Lightning Speed]
[Potion of Speed]
[Imperial Manta Steak] or [Very Burnt Worg]
[Baked Manta Ray] or [Roasted Worg]
Hit rating
[Elixir of Accuracy]
[Snapper Extreme]
Spell Power
[Flask of the Frost Wyrm]
[Spellpower Elixir]
[Potion of Wild Magic]
[Firecracker Salmon] or [Tender Shoveltusk Steak]
[Smoked Salmon] or [Shoveltusk Steak]
Agility
[Elixir of Mighty Agility]
[Blackened Dragonfin]
[Guru's Elixir]
Intellect
[Elixir of Mighty Thoughts]
[Guru's Elixir]
Here's a list of some of the new consumables we might benefit most from:
[taken from wowhead; filtering crafted by a profession and the stat in question > 0]
Armor penetration
[Elixir of Armor Piercing]
[Hearty Rhino]
Expertise
[Elixir of Expertise]
[Rhinolicious Wyrmsteak]
Attack Power
[Flask of Endless Rage]
[Wrath Elixir]
[Mega Mammoth Meal] or [Poached Northern Sculpin]
[Mammoth Meal] or [Grilled Sculpin]
[Dalaran Clam Chowder]
Crit rating
[Elixir of Deadly Strikes]
[Spiced Wyrm Burger] or [Spicy Blue Nettlefish]
[Wyrm Delight] or [Poached Nettlefish]
Haste rating
[Elixir of Lightning Speed]
[Potion of Speed]
[Imperial Manta Steak] or [Very Burnt Worg]
[Baked Manta Ray] or [Roasted Worg]
Hit rating
[Elixir of Accuracy]
[Snapper Extreme]
Spell Power
[Flask of the Frost Wyrm]
[Spellpower Elixir]
[Potion of Wild Magic]
[Firecracker Salmon] or [Tender Shoveltusk Steak]
[Smoked Salmon] or [Shoveltusk Steak]
Agility
[Elixir of Mighty Agility]
[Blackened Dragonfin]
[Guru's Elixir]
Intellect
[Elixir of Mighty Thoughts]
[Guru's Elixir]
This might be a stupid question, but how do you pass a config file to a certain simulator? I can't figure out how to change from the level 70 config, to the level 80.
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Originally Posted by Hornbreakerz
This might be a stupid question, but how do you pass a config file to a certain simulator? I can't figure out how to change from the level 70 config, to the level 80.
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Done, thanks.
But now I have the expertise rating problem, it says the max amount of expertise rating I can have, before there is no more use of it, is 132. Now I know this is wrong, so what am I to do here? Boss dodge is at 6.5 and I am using the newest version of EnhSim.
Edit: And the EP calculation sim seems to crash every time I start it. At least when using the GUI
But now I have the expertise rating problem, it says the max amount of expertise rating I can have, before there is no more use of it, is 132. Now I know this is wrong, so what am I to do here? Boss dodge is at 6.5 and I am using the newest version of EnhSim.
Edit: And the EP calculation sim seems to crash every time I start it. At least when using the GUI
Last edited by Hornbreakerz : 12/06/08 at 2:13 PM.
Ok, I've found something a little strange with the sim. Been playing with my build a bit to work static shock in, since I've been unable to even give my mana away during raids no matter how hard I try. Using the sim, I find that if I drop Elemental Focus, it's a huge loss in dps, around 500. But if I drop the point from Shamanistic Focus, my DPS goes up 100. And this is with no other difference between the builds. Is this a fluke, I don't understand why my dps would possibly go up doing that.
P.S. Here's the build I'm looking at. If I put in the sim I have EF and SF, my dps is 4550ish,4kish with just SF, and 4650ish with just Elemental Focus. Shouldn't it be highest with both of them?
P.S. Here's the build I'm looking at. If I put in the sim I have EF and SF, my dps is 4550ish,4kish with just SF, and 4650ish with just Elemental Focus. Shouldn't it be highest with both of them?
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Originally Posted by mjgunn
Ok, I've found something a little strange with the sim. Been playing with my build a bit to work static shock in, since I've been unable to even give my mana away during raids no matter how hard I try. Using the sim, I find that if I drop Elemental Focus, it's a huge loss in dps, around 500. But if I drop the point from Shamanistic Focus, my DPS goes up 100. And this is with no other difference between the builds. Is this a fluke, I don't understand why my dps would possibly go up doing that.
P.S. Here's the build I'm looking at. If I put in the sim I have EF and SF, my dps is 4550ish,4kish with just SF, and 4650ish with just Elemental Focus. Shouldn't it be highest with both of them? |
It's because you have the little mana button checked and without Elemental Focus you end up with periods of no mana which is horrible for sustained dps. If you mana really is never a concern then uncheck that box and rerun your values.
Oh and it's not an issue with the sim being wrong or anything like that, the defaults on the sim are for 6 minutes of sustained dps and even with replenishment (and no mana pots) that can be rough on some builds. The reason that isn't what you are experiencing is that there are no current raid fights with 6 minutes of sustained dps, most fights are 3-4minutes or they have breaks where your natural regen is active and you get closer to being able to use Shamanistic Rage while not spending mana.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
It's because you have the little mana button checked and without Elemental Focus you end up with periods of no mana which is horrible for sustained dps. If you mana really is never a concern then uncheck that box and rerun your values.
Oh and it's not an issue with the sim being wrong or anything like that, the defaults on the sim are for 6 minutes of sustained dps and even with replenishment (and no mana pots) that can be rough on some builds. The reason that isn't what you are experiencing is that there are no current raid fights with 6 minutes of sustained dps, most fights are 3-4minutes or they have breaks where your natural regen is active and you get closer to being able to use Shamanistic Rage while not spending mana. |
One thing I don't get though, if it's taking mana into account, why wouldn't DPS be highest with both mana cost reduction talents?
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Originally Posted by tukez
I couldn't find Enhancer's EP string. Could someone post it here, so I can add it as default to enhsim_ep_export.txt
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^1^T^SMANAREG^N[mp5]^SATTACKPOWER^N[ap]^SINT^N[int]^SSTR^N[str]^SCR_ARMOR_PENETRATION^N[arp]^SEMPTY_SOCKET_META^N[metabonus]^SCR_EXPERTISE^N[expertise]^SCR_HIT^N[hit]^SSPI^N[spirit]^SAGI^N[agi]^SCR_HASTE^N[haste]^SSPELLPOWER^N[sp]^SCR_CRIT^N[crit]^t^^
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Originally Posted by mjgunn
I'll do that, though I assume then the dps numbers should be the same across the board then since mana won't be taken into account, no?
One thing I don't get though, if it's taking mana into account, why wouldn't DPS be highest with both mana cost reduction talents? |
EnhSim 1.4.9
1.4.9
-Fixed export string bug. Spellpower was set as attack power value.
-Fixed export string rounding bug.
-Added consumables from this list EnhSim, DPS simulator which were not in the sim. Thanks to Ardonomus for making that list.
-Fixed export string bug. Spellpower was set as attack power value.
-Fixed export string rounding bug.
-Added consumables from this list EnhSim, DPS simulator which were not in the sim. Thanks to Ardonomus for making that list.
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Originally Posted by tukez
So I did my research and I think you need to install this package:
Download details: Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package (x86) Tell me if it works. |
Hey guys.
I'm getting the following error when trying to run the sim on Vista 64. Based on what i see from the log the sim is not compatible with x64?
Error:
The application has failed to start because its side-byside configuration is incorrect. Please see the application event log for more detail.
Event log detail:
Log Name: Application
Source: SideBySide
Date: 12/7/2008 9:33:47 AM
Event ID: 33
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: PC
Description:
Activation context generation failed for "C:\Users\username\Desktop\enhsim\enhsimgui.exe". Dependent Assembly Microsoft.VC90.CRT,processorArchitecture="x86",publicKeyToken="1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b",type="win32",version="9.0.21022.8" could not be found. Please use sxstrace.exe for detailed diagnosis.
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
<System>
<Provider Name="SideBySide" />
<EventID Qualifiers="49409">33</EventID>
<Level>2</Level>
<Task>0</Task>
<Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime="2008-12-07T14:33:47.000Z" />
<EventRecordID>749</EventRecordID>
<Channel>Application</Channel>
<Computer>wilby-PC</Computer>
<Security />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data>Microsoft.VC90.CRT,processorArchitecture="x86",publicKeyToken="1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b",type="win32",version="9.0.21022.8"</Data>
<Data>C:\Users\wilby\Desktop\enhsim\enhsimgui.exe</Data>
</Event>
same stats just pressed calculate ep few times...:
some numbers are really different. using 1.4.9... just get the mean value from those 3?
config:
baseline 2467.36 ap 1.00 0.23 2482.36 15.00 crit rating 2.69 0.63 2496.31 28.96 hit rating 1.44 0.34 2477.49 10.13 expertise rating 3.50 0.82 2494.27 26.92 haste rating 2.05 0.48 2483.25 15.89 armor penetration rating 1.80 0.42 2473.69 6.33 spellpower 1.15 0.27 2474.90 7.54 mh dps 6.01 1.41 2481.44 14.09 oh dps 2.10 0.49 2472.28 4.92 strength 1.00 agility 1.88 intelligence -0.69 spirit -0.06 -0.01 2465.88 -1.47 mana -0.13 -0.03 2461.21 -6.15 mp5 -0.52 -0.12 2464.90 -2.46
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2462.84 ap 1.00 0.36 2485.67 22.84 crit rating 2.08 0.74 2496.97 34.14 hit rating 1.60 0.57 2480.02 17.18 expertise rating 2.39 0.85 2490.81 27.97 haste rating 1.63 0.58 2482.07 19.23 armor penetration rating 1.01 0.36 2468.22 5.38 spellpower 1.18 0.42 2474.59 11.75 mh dps 5.40 1.93 2482.10 19.27 oh dps 2.43 0.87 2471.49 8.66 strength 1.00 agility 1.70 intelligence 1.94 spirit 0.17 0.06 2469.02 6.18 mana 0.04 0.02 2465.91 3.07 mp5 1.15 0.41 2471.06 8.23
EP value DPS total DPS diffe baseline 2463.70 ap 1.00 0.33 2484.97 21.27 crit rating 2.02 0.67 2494.61 30.91 hit rating 1.57 0.52 2479.38 15.68 expertise rating 2.63 0.87 2492.34 28.64 haste rating 1.84 0.61 2483.90 20.20 armor penetration rating 1.69 0.56 2472.11 8.41 spellpower 1.41 0.47 2476.81 13.11 mh dps 5.30 1.76 2481.32 17.62 oh dps 2.50 0.83 2472.00 8.30 strength 1.00 agility 1.66 intelligence 1.04 spirit 0.21 0.07 2470.71 7.00 mana -0.02 -0.01 2462.65 -1.05 mp5 1.16 0.39 2471.44 7.74
config:
simulation_time 3000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 4 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 143.6 oh_dps 143.6 mh_crit 21.12 oh_crit 21.12 mh_hit 13.72 oh_hit 13.72 mh_expertise_rating 115 oh_expertise_rating 115 ap 3130 haste 0 armor_penetration 0 str 129 agi 639 int 383 spi 153 spellpower 1213 spell_crit 15.03 spell_hit 17.15 max_mana 9861 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 - totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 2/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
A got a newbie question, how often should i check&update the ep value? every item? was also wondering about the basic ep values set in the gui, the amounts it check for variation, do i need to change it or just leave it?
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Shouldn't the ep value of int never be lower than 1.0, or 1.1 with kings?
I understand that what's happening is the sim takes a run with more mana and due to the RNG can come up with a lower dps number, thus giving the mana portion of int a negative value. But there should be a hard cap in place if this happens, i.e. the sim should know that this isn't realistic and report a default value of 1.0 or 1.1.
I understand that what's happening is the sim takes a run with more mana and due to the RNG can come up with a lower dps number, thus giving the mana portion of int a negative value. But there should be a hard cap in place if this happens, i.e. the sim should know that this isn't realistic and report a default value of 1.0 or 1.1.
Last edited by Skiace : 12/07/08 at 11:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
Shouldn't the ep value of int never be lower than 1.0, or 1.1 with kings?
I understand that what's happening is the sim takes a run with more mana and due to the RNG can come up with a lower dps number, thus giving the mana portion of int a negative value. But there should be a hard cap in place if this happens, i.e. the sim should know that this isn't realistic and report a default value of 1.0 or 1.1. |
Think about it this way, why is Agi worth more the 1.1 with kings. Because you get melee crit from each point of Agi. Intellect gives spell crit and since half of our dps is spells now that has value. It's not as good as Agi since it takes 2 points of Intellect to give as much spell crit as 1 point of Agi gives in melee crit.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
except that Intellect also gives spell crit which has value
Think about it this way, why is Agi worth more the 1.1 with kings. Because you get melee crit from each point of Agi. Intellect gives spell crit and since half of our dps is spells now that has value. It's not as good as Agi since it takes 2 points of Intellect to give as much spell crit as 1 point of Agi gives in melee crit. |
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Originally Posted by Radditz
same stats just pressed calculate ep few times...:
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Edit: Xoya beat me to it. Delete this post.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I made an export string for Lootrank. So can EquivalencePoints also import this? Add this to the enhsim_ep_exports.txt.
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=$strength&mh=$haste&dps=$mhdps&mp5=$mp5&mcr=$crit&odps=$ohdps&spd=$spellpower&Agi=$agility&mhit=$hit&Int=$intelligence&Spi=$spirit&map=$attackpower&arp=$armorp&Exp=$expertise |
&s1=2.4&s3=2.4
at the start to force min MH & OH weapon speeds to 2.4 perhaps even 2.5 should be used.
BTW any support for Meta gem EP values in output.
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Originally Posted by Xoya
That's not what he's asking. He's asking why Int is sometimes showing up as less than 1.0 or 1.1 (with King) in the sim, when that should be the absolute minimum due to Int adding to AP now.
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Guessing the 3 points in Mental Dexterity aren't selected.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Oh, sorry about misreading it. I've never had that happen before (the Int showing as low in value not the misreading part).
Guessing the 3 points in Mental Dexterity aren't selected. |
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Originally Posted by Levva
Looks like EquivalencePoints import routine for any imports is bugged, it isn't understanding Armour Penetration and Spellpower. I can have a look at some point about fixing this. For now that format of LootRank string looks fine though I'd add
&s1=2.4&s3=2.4 at the start to force min MH & OH weapon speeds to 2.4 perhaps even 2.5 should be used. BTW any support for Meta gem EP values in output. |
If you import something it is saved as a new set with status hidden, so you have to unhide it to see it.
There is a bug which prevents loading sets into the actual set to change the values manually. You have to set all values to a random value and then load the set.
^1^T^SMANAREG^N0.34561224489795916^SATTACKPOWER^N1.00^SINT^N2.199350649350649^SS TR^N1.00^SCR_ARMOR_PENETRATION^N0.8462857142857143^SEMPTY_SOCKET_META^N65.967000 00000001^SCR_EXPERTISE^N2.664571428571428^SCR_HIT^N1.163^SSPI^N0.314192949907235 56^SAGI^N1.557012987012987^SCR_HASTE^N1.336857142857143^SSPELLPOWER^N1.162285714 2857141^SCR_CRIT^N1.6181428571428569^t^^
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Oh, sorry about misreading it. I've never had that happen before (the Int showing as low in value not the misreading part).
Guessing the 3 points in Mental Dexterity aren't selected. |
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Last edited by Smokestomp : 12/08/08 at 12:13 PM.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
I have had int EP show up as less than 1, and even negative with both kings and Mental Dexterity selected. The issue is negative values from mana etc as tukez pointed out.
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This should get fixed then. Intel should never be less then 1 with Metal Dexterity. Also why would any score ever give a negative value. Their is no stat or value that should lower another stats usefullness below a certain piont. If your crit % is over 50% agl might be worth less but still should never dip below 1.1 (with kings).
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Originally Posted by Rako
This should get fixed then. Intel should never be less then 1 with Metal Dexterity. Also why would any score ever give a negative value. Their is no stat or value that should lower another stats usefullness below a certain piont. If your crit % is over 50% agl might be worth less but still should never dip below 1.1 (with kings).
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Im not going to add any fail safes to check does some EP values make sense, because how can the sim possibly know, for example when some negative value is correct or incorrect? If you get results you didn't expect, then you notice something went wrong when calculating EP values. If I added limits for some of the stats, you wouldn't notice anything and would use bad EP values happily.
Usually, when you get negative EP values, it is not correct. You are probably using too short simulation runtime or too low EP ranges.
EnhSim 1.5.0
1.5.0
-When mana simulation is disabled, spirit, mana and mp5 EP tests are skipped automatically.
-Fixed a bug with armor penetration consumables.
I have been building this website for EnhSim: EnhSim: Welcome to EnhSim homepage. There are some useful guides and you can also download EnhSim through that site. The website is not completely done yet, but at least the EP value guide is good reading for many people.
If someone wants to help me out with this site, you are welcome.
-When mana simulation is disabled, spirit, mana and mp5 EP tests are skipped automatically.
-Fixed a bug with armor penetration consumables.
I have been building this website for EnhSim: EnhSim: Welcome to EnhSim homepage. There are some useful guides and you can also download EnhSim through that site. The website is not completely done yet, but at least the EP value guide is good reading for many people.
If someone wants to help me out with this site, you are welcome.
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Originally Posted by Rako
This should get fixed then. Intel should never be less then 1 with Metal Dexterity. Also why would any score ever give a negative value. Their is no stat or value that should lower another stats usefullness below a certain piont. If your crit % is over 50% agl might be worth less but still should never dip below 1.1 (with kings).
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Originally Posted by tukez
If increasing a stat results in negative DPS, it will get a negative EP value. Rare, but possible.
Im not going to add any fail safes to check does some EP values make sense, because how can the sim possibly know, for example when some negative value is correct or incorrect? If you get results you didn't expect, then you notice something went wrong when calculating EP values. If I added limits for some of the stats, you wouldn't notice anything and would use bad EP values happily. Usually, when you get negative EP values, it is not correct. You are probably using too short simulation runtime or too low EP ranges. |
Personal I have never seen a sim run where any increase has does this, but if its possible I would know how or even why?
EDIT:
Just saw the post above mine. I run the sim with mana turned off. So except for mana fuctionations it should not happen?
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Originally Posted by Rako
How would increasing any stat result in a lowering of DPS. Its even shown that increasing haste even to the "special" levels will not lower dps. I can understand how some stats will not raise DPS. But maybe I'm missing something if a stat increase can lower DPS? Can you give me any stat or even a sitution in the sim where a increase would lower overall dps.
Personal I have never seen a sim run where any increase has does this, but if its possible I would know how or even why? EDIT: Just saw the post above mine. I run the sim with mana turned off. So except for mana fuctionations it should not happen? |
I have consistently gotten a strongly negative value for haste at my current gear level, between -3 and -4. I keep thinking I did something wrong in setting up my simulation run. I can post my config and results a bit later when I am back at my main computer if that would be any help. What specifically should I post?
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Originally Posted by tukez
I was thinking about those haste levels. Some people have gotten negative values from haste. I'm not sure though, was it because of RNG or not.
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Once I hit about 7% haste the EP value for haste rating came back up to what I feel is a more normal level.
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Originally Posted by Rako
How would increasing any stat result in a lowering of DPS.
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Originally Posted by rastotem
A got a newbie question, how often should i check&update the ep value? every item? was also wondering about the basic ep values set in the gui, the amounts it check for variation, do i need to change it or just leave it?
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Yes, in an EP setting you should recalculate EP after every change. If it's something minor, like 20 AP or 10 int, chances are that nothing will change, but most stats will give screw the balance when you increase or decrease them. A superior item can greatly change you EP. Moving away from a 40 hit poor item for a 200 AP, no hit item and thus bringing you below the spell hit cap will make hit EP go up.
You don't need to fiddle with EP ranges, if that is what you mean. Chances are the defaults are fine.
Mac Compilage of 1.5
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Originally Posted by Rosboeuf
When you start the new project in Xcode perhaps choose the Command Line Utility -> C++ Tool template. Save the project somewhere else on your drive. Delete the main.cpp in Xcode that came with the template, then add all of the source code to the project from the source folder in the unrarred version - checking the checkbox "Copy to ... if needed".
Drag the SFMT (or whatever it is) in the same way. Then you need to download the boost library and put it into a subdir in the project folder (not in Xcode) called libraries and add that to the libraries search path. Then define NOTHREADS in enhsim.h so that you don't have to install zthreads... |
I have followed the above procedures, more or less. I found that you need to list the 'libraries' folder mentioned above as a header search path--not a library search path. Moreover, you shouldn't set Xcode to recursively search for subdirectories--it breaks things in a buggy way. (Documented via Google.)
At any rate, the compile is still failing with the errors like:
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim/stats.cpp:187: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::endl [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traits<char>]))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::fixed) << enh::setprecision(2)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim/enhsimoutput.h:37: note: candidates are: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(bool) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim/enhsimoutput.h:38: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(short int) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim/enhsimoutput.h:39: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(short unsigned int)
My C++ is very rusty, but it looks like something might be stomping on the output stream somehow? Or I don't have the stream defined somewhere?
This fails in stats.cpp (29 errors), and enhsimconfig.cpp (17 errors).
I am compiling in Xcode 3.1.2 with GCC 4.2 and the OSX 10.5 Base SDK. Boost release is 1.37.0. Computer is a Macbook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo running OSX 10.5.5 with 2 GB of memory.
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Just followed the steps as you outlined and I had the same results.
I'm not too savvy with C++ but is this just a typecast error? It looks like the overloaded operators you've defined for << may be interpreting enh::setw(26) incorrectly.
Oh and to elaborate on the steps to get to this point:
1) Download EnhSim and unpack.
2) Download Boost and unpack.
3) Invoke Xcode. Define a new project anywhere on the drive.
4) Right click main.cpp in Xcode and Delete this file (send to trash)
5) In the left hand panel (Groups & Files) right click the name of the project you created (should be the top entry) and choose Add -> Existing Files. Navigate to the Source folder and hit ok. If asked if you want to copy the files to the project path, choose to do so.
6) In the Finder (not in Xcode) create a new folder called 'libraries' and put Boost into it. Move that entire directory into the project path that you created in 3.
7) In Xcode go to Project -> Edit Project Settings, then the Build tab. Scroll down till you see the header that says "Search Paths". Double click the entry for "Header Search Paths", and in the dialog use the + button to add a new path. Do not select the Recursive check box. Type in the path to the Boost folder you copied, it should look like: "libraries/boost_1_37_0", and then exit all those menus.
8) Hit the Build button.
I'm not too savvy with C++ but is this just a typecast error? It looks like the overloaded operators you've defined for << may be interpreting enh::setw(26) incorrectly.
Oh and to elaborate on the steps to get to this point:
1) Download EnhSim and unpack.
2) Download Boost and unpack.
3) Invoke Xcode. Define a new project anywhere on the drive.
4) Right click main.cpp in Xcode and Delete this file (send to trash)
5) In the left hand panel (Groups & Files) right click the name of the project you created (should be the top entry) and choose Add -> Existing Files. Navigate to the Source folder and hit ok. If asked if you want to copy the files to the project path, choose to do so.
6) In the Finder (not in Xcode) create a new folder called 'libraries' and put Boost into it. Move that entire directory into the project path that you created in 3.
7) In Xcode go to Project -> Edit Project Settings, then the Build tab. Scroll down till you see the header that says "Search Paths". Double click the entry for "Header Search Paths", and in the dialog use the + button to add a new path. Do not select the Recursive check box. Type in the path to the Boost folder you copied, it should look like: "libraries/boost_1_37_0", and then exit all those menus.
8) Hit the Build button.
Last edited by Malan : 12/08/08 at 11:42 PM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Just followed the steps as you outlined and I had the same results.
I'm not too savvy with C++ but is this just a typecast error? It looks like the overloaded operators you've defined for << may be interpreting enh::setw(26) incorrectly. Oh and to elaborate on the steps to get to this point: 1) Download EnhSim and unpack. 2) Download Boost and unpack. 3) Invoke Xcode. Define a new project anywhere on the drive. 4) Right click main.cpp in Xcode and Delete this file (send to trash) 5) In the left hand panel (Groups & Files) right click the name of the project you created (should be the top entry) and choose Add -> Existing Files. Navigate to the Source folder and hit ok. If asked if you want to copy the files to the project path, choose to do so. 6) In the Finder (not in Xcode) create a new folder called 'libraries' and put Boost into it. Move that entire directory into the project path that you created in 3. 7) In Xcode go to Project -> Edit Project Settings, then the Build tab. Scroll down till you see the header that says "Search Paths". Double click the entry for "Header Search Paths", and in the dialog use the + button to add a new path. Do not select the Recursive check box. Type in the path to the Boost folder you copied, it should look like: "libraries/boost_1_37_0", and then exit all those menus. 8) Hit the Build button. |
As for the procedure, I did one extra step that you didn't list: I added #define NOTHREADS in enhsim.h. I did this so that I didn't have to install zthreads or whatever. If you didn't do this, and got the same result, I suppose it's possible that my build just fails before it tries to link and never gets that far or something. My boost path is slightly different, but I don't think that matters, as long as the directory structure starting at the boost/ directory and below is intact. Other than that, however, this looks right. I spent a good deal of time trying to build with the different SDKs and versions of GCC provided with my install, but had no success. I've tried the versions of GCC provided with xcode: 3.3, 4.0, and 4.2. Presumably these are all similar to the gcc provided by GNU, but horribly warped by Apple in some way. I tried compiling with both the 10.4 and 10.5 SDKs.
It's possible that I'm doing something extremely basic incorrectly. MATLAB this ain't.
Last edited by gilf : 12/08/08 at 11:59 PM.
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Originally Posted by gilf
After attempting to wait it out and hope that someone would update the Mac binary, I am attempting to compile the new version on my Mac using Xcode.
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Megaupload - EnhSim 1.5.0
Just tried compiling with the source code from megaupload and getting the same errors when following Malan's steps above.
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Originally Posted by ganrak
Just tried compiling with the source code from megaupload and getting the same errors when following Malan's steps above.
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Originally Posted by gilf
To be fair, I've not defined anything to do with the output stream, that's all tukez, presumably.
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| As for the procedure, I did one extra step that you didn't list: I added #define NOTHREADS in enhsim.h. |
| I've tried the versions of GCC provided with xcode: 3.3, 4.0, and 4.2. Presumably these are all similar to the gcc provided by GNU, but horribly warped by Apple in some way. I tried compiling with both the 10.4 and 10.5 SDKs. |
Tukez I'll get you a full print of the errors in about 2 hours when I get home for lunch.
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EDIT: Split the build output to make it more readable.
tukez--
Thanks for your help with this. Enhsim is an amazing tool. Below is a direct cut-and-paste of the build output from Xcode using your repackaged download.
Unless I've missed one, all the errors are the unmatched operator<< errors.
There seems to be one in main.cpp that I don't remember from last night.
After every 'error: no match for 'operator<<' line there is the following collection of lines that seems identical for each instance:
I trimmed these from the output since it boosts the list to unwieldy length for a forum post.
Malan--
This makes sense and I checked. There's a pulldown box that allows you to pick the C/C++ Compiler Version, which I figured would take care of this issue. I don't see a way to select them individually.
tukez--
Thanks for your help with this. Enhsim is an amazing tool. Below is a direct cut-and-paste of the build output from Xcode using your repackaged download.
Unless I've missed one, all the errors are the unmatched operator<< errors.
There seems to be one in main.cpp that I don't remember from last night.
Building target “EnhSimRepack” of project “EnhSimRepack” with configuration “Debug” — (74 errors, 5 warnings)
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch i386 -fmessage-length=0 -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG=1 -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC=1 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -mfix-and-continue -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-generated-files.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-own-target-headers.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-all-target-headers.hmap -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-project-headers.hmap -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug/include -ILibraries -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/DerivedSources -c /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/Objects-normal/i386/stats.o
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp: In member function 'void Statistics::print()':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:187: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:205: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:206: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:244: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:245: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:282: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:343: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:346: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:347: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:348: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:349: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:350: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:352: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:353: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:354: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:355: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:356: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:357: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:358: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(31)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:360: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:369: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:371: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:387: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:388: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:389: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:390: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:391: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:392: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:402: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp: In member function 'void Statistics::printValueAndPercentRegen(const std::string&, const double&, const double&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:406: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp: In member function 'void Statistics::printValueAndPercent(const std::string&, const double&, const double&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:410: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp: In member function 'void Statistics::printValueAndPercentFinal(const std::string&, const double&, const double&, const double&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:421: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp: In member function 'void Statistics::printValueAndPercentFinalMana(const std::string&, const double&, const double&, const double&, const double&, const double&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/stats.cpp:433: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(20)'
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch i386 -fmessage-length=0 -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG=1 -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC=1 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -mfix-and-continue -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-generated-files.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-own-target-headers.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-all-target-headers.hmap -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-project-headers.hmap -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug/include -ILibraries -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/DerivedSources -c /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/skills.cpp -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/Objects-normal/i386/skills.o
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/skills.cpp: In member function 'void LightningShield::consumeCharge()':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/skills.cpp:682: warning: unused variable 'dmg'
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c -arch i386 -fmessage-length=0 -pipe -std=c99 -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG=1 -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC=1 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -mfix-and-continue -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-generated-files.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-own-target-headers.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-all-target-headers.hmap -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-project-headers.hmap -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug/include -ILibraries -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/DerivedSources -c /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/SFMT.c -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/Objects-normal/i386/SFMT.o
In file included from /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/SFMT.c:16:
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c -arch i386 -fmessage-length=0 -pipe -std=c99 -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG=1 -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC=1 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -mfix-and-continue -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-generated-files.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-own-target-headers.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-all-target-headers.hmap -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-project-headers.hmap -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug/include -ILibraries -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/DerivedSources -c /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/test.c -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/Objects-normal/i386/test.o
In file included from /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/SFMT.c:16,
from /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/test.c:19:
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch i386 -fmessage-length=0 -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG=1 -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC=1 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -mfix-and-continue -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-generated-files.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-own-target-headers.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-all-target-headers.hmap -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-project-headers.hmap -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug/include -ILibraries -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/DerivedSources -c /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/main.cpp -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/Objects-normal/i386/main.o
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/main.cpp: In function 'int main(int, char**)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/main.cpp:319: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"simulation speed: ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(#'fix_trunc_expr' not supported by dump_expr#<expression error>))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"x")) << enh::endl()'
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch i386 -fmessage-length=0 -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG=1 -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC=1 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -mfix-and-continue -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-generated-files.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-own-target-headers.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-all-target-headers.hmap -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-project-headers.hmap -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug/include -ILibraries -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/DerivedSources -c /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/globalutil.cpp -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/Objects-normal/i386/globalutil.o
In file included from /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/SFMT.c:16,
from /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/globalutil.cpp:7:
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch i386 -fmessage-length=0 -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG=1 -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC=1 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -mfix-and-continue -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-generated-files.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-own-target-headers.hmap -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-all-target-headers.hmap -iquote /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/EnhSimRepack-project-headers.hmap -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/Debug/include -ILibraries -I/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/DerivedSources -c /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/build/EnhSimRepack.build/Debug/EnhSimRepack.build/Objects-normal/i386/enhsimconfig.o
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EPThread::run()':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:252: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((std::string&)(& message))) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::printEPValues(const f32&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:337: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:338: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(46)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:339: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:340: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:341: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:342: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:343: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:344: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:345: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:346: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:347: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:349: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:351: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:353: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:354: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:355: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:356: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:361: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:405: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((std::string&)(+ lines. __gnu_debug_def::vector<_Tp, _Allocator>::operator[] [with _Tp = std::string, _Allocator = std::allocator<std::string>](((long unsigned int)i))))) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:408: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setMhWeaponEnchant(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:969: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Imbue ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setOhWeaponEnchant(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1006: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Imbue ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setMhEnchant(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1051: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Enchant ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setOhEnchant(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1096: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Enchant ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setTrinket(const std::string&, const int&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1296: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Trinket ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setTotem(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1383: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Totem ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setSetBonus(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1460: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Set bonus ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setMetagem(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1509: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Metagem ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setConsumable(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1949: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Consumable ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setMiscItem(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1975: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Misc item ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'void EnhSimConfig::setGlyph(const std::string&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2039: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Glyph ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'f32 EnhSimConfig::calculateEPValues(const f32&)':
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2201: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Hit is past caps, EP hit test will be skipped.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2205: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Mh hit + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((mhhit - miss) / 1.0e+2)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"% (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((mhhit - miss) / ((double)HIT_RATING_TO_HIT))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" hit rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2208: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Oh hit + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((ohhit - miss) / 1.0e+2)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"% (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((ohhit - miss) / ((double)HIT_RATING_TO_HIT))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" hit rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2211: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((spellhit - #'float_expr' not supported by dump_expr#<expression error>) / 1.0e+2)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"% (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((spellhit - #'float_expr' not supported by dump_expr#<expression error>) / ((double)HIT_RATING_TO_SPELLHIT))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" hit rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2219: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2223: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((mhexp - expcap) / ((double)EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<((mhexp - expcap)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2226: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((ohexp - expcap) / ((double)EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<((ohexp - expcap)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2229: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2185: warning: unused variable 'skipped'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:252: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((std::string&)(& message))) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:337: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:338: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(46)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:339: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:340: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:341: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:342: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:343: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:344: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:345: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:346: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:347: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:349: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:351: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:353: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:354: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:355: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:356: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:361: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:405: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((std::string&)(+ lines. __gnu_debug_def::vector<_Tp, _Allocator>::operator[] [with _Tp = std::string, _Allocator = std::allocator<std::string>](((long unsigned int)i))))) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:408: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:969: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Imbue ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1006: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Imbue ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1051: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Enchant ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1096: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Enchant ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1296: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Trinket ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1383: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Totem ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1460: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Set bonus ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1509: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Metagem ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1949: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Consumable ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:1975: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Misc item ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2039: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Glyph ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const std::string&)(+ name))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" not found.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2201: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Hit is past caps, EP hit test will be skipped.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2205: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Mh hit + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((mhhit - miss) / 1.0e+2)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"% (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((mhhit - miss) / ((double)HIT_RATING_TO_HIT))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" hit rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2208: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Oh hit + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((ohhit - miss) / 1.0e+2)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"% (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((ohhit - miss) / ((double)HIT_RATING_TO_HIT))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" hit rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2211: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((spellhit - #'float_expr' not supported by dump_expr#<expression error>) / 1.0e+2)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"% (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((spellhit - #'float_expr' not supported by dump_expr#<expression error>) / ((double)HIT_RATING_TO_SPELLHIT))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" hit rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2219: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped.")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2223: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((mhexp - expcap) / ((double)EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<((mhexp - expcap)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2226: error: no match for 'operator<<' in '(+(+(+(+ enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)"Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by ")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((ohexp - expcap) / ((double)EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE))))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise (")))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<((ohexp - expcap)))->enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((const char*)" expertise rating).")) << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2229: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::endl()'
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimconfig.cpp:2185: warning: unused variable 'skipped'
Build failed (74 errors, 5 warnings)
/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:48: note: candidates are: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(bool) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:49: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(short int) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:50: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(short unsigned int) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:51: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(int) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:52: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(unsigned int) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:53: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(long int) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:54: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(long unsigned int) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:55: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(float) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:56: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(double) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:57: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(long double) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:58: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(void*) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:60: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::string&) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:61: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const std::string&) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:62: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::streambuf*) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:63: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::ostream& (*)(std::ostream&)) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:64: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::ios& (*)(std::ios&)) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:65: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::ios_base& (*)(std::ios_base&)) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:67: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(enh::setprecision&) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:68: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(enh::setw&) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:69: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(enh::fixed&) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:70: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(enh::endl&) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:72: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(char) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:73: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(signed char) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:74: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(unsigned char) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:75: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const char*) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:76: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const signed char*) /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSimRepack/enhsimoutput.h:77: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const unsigned char*)
Malan--
| I wonder, did you also try using the 4.2 g++? If the gcc and g++ aren't the same version all sorts of funny things can happen. I just ran the build out of the box so to speak, I didn't even bother to check what gcc/g++ version it was using. |
Last edited by gilf : 12/09/08 at 11:08 AM.
I finally successfully ran Enhsim after dinking with it fruitlessly for a while (yay for googling the error message). After putting in all of my values, I clicked "Simulate" and the following appeared:
"Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click Quit, the application will close immediately."
Obviously I have a problem. I can only hope that this isn't the result of me not doing some idiotically simple thing that I should obviously have done.
I can post the details section of the error message if this isn't enough to go on. I seem to encounter every possible problem under the sun with every new thing I try.
Anyhow, I appreciate any help on the subject.
"Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click Quit, the application will close immediately."
Obviously I have a problem. I can only hope that this isn't the result of me not doing some idiotically simple thing that I should obviously have done.
I can post the details section of the error message if this isn't enough to go on. I seem to encounter every possible problem under the sun with every new thing I try.
Anyhow, I appreciate any help on the subject.
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Originally Posted by Bonquida
I finally successfully ran Enhsim after dinking with it fruitlessly for a while (yay for googling the error message). After putting in all of my values, I clicked "Simulate" and the following appeared:
"Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click Quit, the application will close immediately." Obviously I have a problem. I can only hope that this isn't the result of me not doing some idiotically simple thing that I should obviously have done. I can post the details section of the error message if this isn't enough to go on. I seem to encounter every possible problem under the sun with every new thing I try. Anyhow, I appreciate any help on the subject. |
Edited onundefined
Now here is something interesting: I tried with the 1.3.4 version of Enhsim, since that's the one MacEnh was built off of. I only got one error this time, and it was different:
It appears that either I'm not quite following all the steps used in making the first executable, or perhaps the development environment has changed.
UPDATE: 1.4.2 fails like 1.3.4 (linking). 1.4.8 and 1.4.9 fail like 1.5 (output stream errors). I need to run now though. I will work on this some more later.
mkdir /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/Debug
cd /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4
setenv MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5
/Developer/usr/bin/g++-4.0 -arch i386 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -L/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/Debug -F/Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/Debug -filelist /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Debug/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Objects-normal/i386/EnhSim1.3.4.LinkFileList -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -o /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/Debug/EnhSim1.3.4
ld: duplicate symbol _get_idstring in /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Debug/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Objects-normal/i386/test.o and /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Debug/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Objects-normal/i386/SFMT.o
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
ld: duplicate symbol _get_idstring in /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Debug/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Objects-normal/i386/test.o and /Users/greer/Documents/EnhSim1.3.4/build/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Debug/EnhSim1.3.4.build/Objects-normal/i386/SFMT.o
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
UPDATE: 1.4.2 fails like 1.3.4 (linking). 1.4.8 and 1.4.9 fail like 1.5 (output stream errors). I need to run now though. I will work on this some more later.
Last edited by gilf : 12/09/08 at 11:57 AM.
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Originally Posted by gilf
Now here is something interesting: I tried with the 1.3.4 version of Enhsim, since that's the one MacEnh was built off of. I only got one error this time, and it was different: ...
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Here is the a slighty modified source, this is like shooting in the dark MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service
If it doesn't work, do these replacements on the whole project:
enh::eout << ==> std::cout << enh::endl() ==> std::endl enh::fixed() ==> std::fixed enh::setprecision ==> std::setprecision enh::setw ==> std::setw
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Originally Posted by Bonquida
I finally successfully ran Enhsim after dinking with it fruitlessly for a while (yay for googling the error message). After putting in all of my values, I clicked "Simulate" and the following appeared:
"Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click Quit, the application will close immediately." Obviously I have a problem. I can only hope that this isn't the result of me not doing some idiotically simple thing that I should obviously have done. I can post the details section of the error message if this isn't enough to go on. I seem to encounter every possible problem under the sun with every new thing I try. Anyhow, I appreciate any help on the subject. |
Ok we're getting somewhere now Tukez! The repack you just posted had only one failure this time (and 5 warnings mostly about unused vars).
And in case you care to later clean up the source, here are the warnings too -
Linking /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/EnhanceSim (1 error)
Line Location Tool:0: Command /Developer/usr/bin/g++-4.0 failed with exit code 1
Line Location Tool:0: duplicate symbol _get_idstring in /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/test.o and /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/SFMT.o
cd /Users/zach/EnhanceSim
/Developer/usr/bin/g++-4.0 -o /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/EnhanceSim -L/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release -F/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release -filelist /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/EnhanceSim.LinkFileList -arch ppc -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk
ld: duplicate symbol _get_idstring in /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/test.o and /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/SFMT.o
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
ld: duplicate symbol _get_idstring in /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/test.o and /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/SFMT.o
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
And in case you care to later clean up the source, here are the warnings too -
cd /Users/zach/EnhanceSim
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch ppc -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -mdynamic-no-pic -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -fmessage-length=0 -mtune=G5 -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/EnhanceSim.hmap -F/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release/include -Iboost_1_37_0 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/DerivedSources -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -c /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/enhsimconfig.cpp -o /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/enhsimconfig.o
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/enhsimconfig.cpp: In member function 'f32 EnhSimConfig::calculateEPValues(const f32&)':
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/enhsimconfig.cpp:2185: warning: unused variable 'skipped'
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/enhsimconfig.cpp:2185: warning: unused variable 'skipped'
cd /Users/zach/EnhanceSim
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch ppc -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -mdynamic-no-pic -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -fmessage-length=0 -mtune=G5 -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/EnhanceSim.hmap -F/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release/include -Iboost_1_37_0 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/DerivedSources -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -c /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/globalutil.cpp -o /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/globalutil.o
In file included from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT.c:16,
from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/globalutil.cpp:7:
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/globalutil.cpp:7:
In file included from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT.c:16,
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
cd /Users/zach/EnhanceSim
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c -arch ppc -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -mdynamic-no-pic -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -fmessage-length=0 -mtune=G5 -fvisibility=hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/EnhanceSim.hmap -F/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release/include -Iboost_1_37_0 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/DerivedSources -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -c /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT.c -o /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/SFMT.o
In file included from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT.c:16:
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
In file included from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT.c:16:
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
cd /Users/zach/EnhanceSim
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c -arch ppc -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -mdynamic-no-pic -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -fmessage-length=0 -mtune=G5 -fvisibility=hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/EnhanceSim.hmap -F/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release/include -Iboost_1_37_0 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/DerivedSources -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -c /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/test.c -o /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/test.o
In file included from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT.c:16,
from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/test.c:19:
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/test.c:19:
In file included from /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT.c:16,
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/SFMT/SFMT-params.h:6:4: warning: #warning "MEXP is not defined. I assume MEXP is 19937."
cd /Users/zach/EnhanceSim
/Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c++ -arch ppc -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -mdynamic-no-pic -Wreturn-type -Wunused-variable -fmessage-length=0 -mtune=G5 -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -gdwarf-2 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/EnhanceSim.hmap -F/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/Release/include -Iboost_1_37_0 -I/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/DerivedSources -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -c /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/skills.cpp -o /Users/zach/EnhanceSim/build/EnhanceSim.build/Release/EnhanceSim.build/Objects-normal/ppc/skills.o
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/skills.cpp: In member function 'void LightningShield::consumeCharge()':
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/skills.cpp:682: warning: unused variable 'dmg'
/Users/zach/EnhanceSim/skills.cpp:682: warning: unused variable 'dmg'
That looks like the same linking error I was getting with versions 1.3.4 on, Malan.
One thing I haven't tried is compiling the 1.3.4 source included with MacEnh 1.0. Perhaps there was some change made that Rosabeuf's developer buddy neglected to mention.
If there isn't, then something about our environment has changed since MacEnh 1.0 was compiled...
One thing I haven't tried is compiling the 1.3.4 source included with MacEnh 1.0. Perhaps there was some change made that Rosabeuf's developer buddy neglected to mention.
If there isn't, then something about our environment has changed since MacEnh 1.0 was compiled...
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Originally Posted by gilf
That looks like the same linking error I was getting with versions 1.3.4 on, Malan.
One thing I haven't tried is compiling the 1.3.4 source included with MacEnh 1.0. Perhaps there was some change made that Rosabeuf's developer buddy neglected to mention. If there isn't, then something about our environment has changed since MacEnh 1.0 was compiled... |
Remember to put some optimization flags on when you compile. Here are some flags, which should work http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hint...timization.txt.
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New error thrown after excluding the SMTF code from the build -
Line Location c++locale.h:72: error: 'snprintf' is not a member of 'std'
Line Location c++locale.h:72: error: 'snprintf' is not a member of 'std'
These are being thrown [while compiling] from effects.cpp and consumables.cpp
Looks like xcode doesn't like this block from c++locale.h
Line Location c++locale.h:72: error: 'snprintf' is not a member of 'std'
Line Location c++locale.h:72: error: 'snprintf' is not a member of 'std'
These are being thrown [while compiling] from effects.cpp and consumables.cpp
Looks like xcode doesn't like this block from c++locale.h
#ifdef _GLIBCXX_USE_C99
const int __ret = std::snprintf(__out, __size, __fmt, __prec, __v);
#else
const int __ret = std::sprintf(__out, __fmt, __prec, __v);
#endif
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Originally Posted by Malan
New error thrown after excluding the SMTF code from the build -
Line Location c++locale.h:72: error: 'snprintf' is not a member of 'std' Line Location c++locale.h:72: error: 'snprintf' is not a member of 'std' These are being thrown from effects.cpp and consumables.cpp |
Another solution I found: Nabble - Boost - Users - Mac Xcode 3.0 Boost compile issue
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Hi, I had the same problem with Xcode 3 and boost 1.34.1. To fix my problem, I had to uncheck the "recursive" checkbox button in the "Header Search Paths" section of the "Debug" target project settings for the boost header path. Once I unchecked the "recursive" checkbox, I was able to compile my target. I hope this helps you. |
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Bah, shit that was it. I still had the recursive box checked. It just built fine!
I'll repost a set of OS X instructions for you in a few minutes once I verify its working properly with a config file.
Voila!
I'll repost a set of OS X instructions for you in a few minutes once I verify its working properly with a config file.
Voila!
Last edited by Malan : 12/09/08 at 2:07 PM.
We win!
Good job Malan and especially thanks tukez!
Good job Malan and especially thanks tukez!
Compile instructions for mac:
Final step - tell your wife she no longer has to be pissy that you have to use her windows laptop to run the sim.
- Invoke xCode (install from OS X cds under Developer Tools if you don't have it)
- Start a new project (the name of the project will by default be the name of the binary that you have to run, so be concise). Immediately delete the main.cpp file when the project appears.
- Right click in the left panel of xCode on the name of the project and choose Add -> Existing Files, then browse to the source code for EnhSim and choose all the files, including the SFMT subdirectory.
- In the list of source files in xCode, un-check the box in the right-most column next to the test.c and SFMT.c files so that these are not included in the build.
- Edit the file enhsim.h (double click it) and add the text "#define NOTHREADS", then save the file. (CMD-S)
- In finder, unpack and then copy Boost (Should appear as something like 'boost_1_37_0' when unpacked) directly to the project path that you created in xCode. Do not do this *in* xCode, do it in Finder.
- In the main menu choose Project -> Edit Project Settings then the Build tab. Scroll down till you see the header that says "Search Paths". Double click the entry for "Header Search Paths", and in the dialog use the + button to add a new path. You must ensure that the 'Recursive' checkbox is cleared or the build will fail. Type in the relative path to the Boost folder you copied, it should look like: "boost_1_37_0" and then close the menu.
- In xCode choose Build. When its complete your binary executable for the sim will appear in [path to project]/[project name]/build/Release. You can copy the binary file to anywhere else in the system so that you can run it in Terminal with your config file.
Final step - tell your wife she no longer has to be pissy that you have to use her windows laptop to run the sim.
One thing that might be worth mentioning: I originally downloaded a bjam executable from the boost website. This is some sort of compiled nonsense. What you need is the full source-code header library, not the bjam thing.
The current library is here:
SourceForge.net: Files
the general download page is:
Boost Downloads
(In general pick the second of the two 'Packaged Releases'.)
The current library is here:
SourceForge.net: Files
the general download page is:
Boost Downloads
(In general pick the second of the two 'Packaged Releases'.)
Yah the boost download page is a little misleading and I made the same mistake at first.
Is there a reason that you can't just bundle Boost with the sim Tukez? I seem to recall you did so at first and then removed it.
Is there a reason that you can't just bundle Boost with the sim Tukez? I seem to recall you did so at first and then removed it.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Compile instructions for mac:
Final step - tell your wife she no longer has to be pissy that you have to use her windows laptop to run the sim. |
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Originally Posted by Malan
Yah the boost download page is a little misleading and I made the same mistake at first.
Is there a reason that you can't just bundle Boost with the sim Tukez? I seem to recall you did so at first and then removed it. |
I'll look into ZThreads for Mac when I get home. If it's something along the lines of the Boost library, I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to do.
What advantages does it provide for the build? I've never dealt with multithreading. Presumably I guess it would matter in the ep calculations since it could do multiple stats independently?
Are there any negative effects that arise from not using Zthreads? Aside from speed, possibly?
What advantages does it provide for the build? I've never dealt with multithreading. Presumably I guess it would matter in the ep calculations since it could do multiple stats independently?
Are there any negative effects that arise from not using Zthreads? Aside from speed, possibly?
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Originally Posted by tukez
I guess I could put it back in, it seems to take about 160KB in the rar. Not too much. I think I could try to include ZThreads also, so you wouldn't have to build it separately...have to take a look later.
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Well really I think you're almost at the point where you may as well make 2 packages - a Source release with no precompiled binaries, just source and bundled with Boost and ZThreads (prebuilt), and then a Windows release that's nothing but the precompiled binaries and the config files and readmes.
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Originally Posted by gilf
What advantages does it provide for the build? I've never dealt with multithreading. Presumably I guess it would matter in the ep calculations since it could do multiple stats independently?
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Has there been any discussion on the merits of Call of Thunder vs Feral Spirit? I tried searching the forums and I couldn't find anything on it. I know its been said you get roughly 100DPS from wolves whichh would be for 45sec every 3min. With Call of Thunder you would get an additional 5% LB crits which on my dps logs has been behind autoattack melee and flip flopping with WF for the #2 spot. On top of that it would cause Elemental Devastation to proc more. Just curious if it has any merit.
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Originally Posted by Akkilees
Has there been any discussion on the merits of Call of Thunder vs Feral Spirit? I tried searching the forums and I couldn't find anything on it. I know its been said you get roughly 100DPS from wolves whichh would be for 45sec every 3min.
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Originally Posted by Akkilees
Has there been any discussion on the merits of Call of Thunder vs Feral Spirit? I tried searching the forums and I couldn't find anything on it. I know its been said you get roughly 100DPS from wolves whichh would be for 45sec every 3min. With Call of Thunder you would get an additional 5% LB crits which on my dps logs has been behind autoattack melee and flip flopping with WF for the #2 spot. On top of that it would cause Elemental Devastation to proc more. Just curious if it has any merit.
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I tested it for myself awhile back and it was worth 15dps so if the wolves do more then 60dps they are better (to say nothing of their utility).
I'm bored so I just simmed myself with Call of Thunder selected and without it and it is now up to 34dps.
Recent Naxx parse has the Wolves averaging 410dps in a raid setting. 25% uptime would set the wolves at 102.5dps.
Besides how could you look into the faces of those doggies and tell them that you are trading them in for 5% crit on LB/CL.
Last edited by Rounced : 12/09/08 at 4:54 PM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Well really I think you're almost at the point where you may as well make 2 packages - a Source release with no precompiled binaries, just source and bundled with Boost and ZThreads (prebuilt), and then a Windows release that's nothing but the precompiled binaries and the config files and readmes.
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ZThread being a library need to be installed just once(and maybe updated when new releases come out) so I don't see why an URL shouldn't be enough.
Btw, is ZThread on Mac using pthreads?
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Just ignore this post.... fail guild without sunder armor on patchwerk is fail...
Last edited by Triper : 12/09/08 at 11:14 PM.
I followed the instructions for compiling on Mac, I get 40 errors in enhsimconfig.cpp all of this kind:
Could it be related to the kind of Project I'm using (Command Line Utility - C++ Tool)? It's not specified in the guide.
Projects/enhsim/source/enhsimconfig.cpp:252: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout. enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(((std::string&)(& message))) << enh::endl()'
Grab the version that Tukez posted on the previous page. He hasn't updated the files on his site with those changes yet.
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I am unsure if this belongs here or over at Pawns forums, but I figured I'd try here first since I'm producing my values using EnhSim. I guess I'm trying to find out if anybody else is having any problems with either the export string produced by EnhSim or with plugging that string into Pawn itself? I am getting very strange EP numbers when looking at weapons using Pawn's tooltip (I should note, that other gear "appears" to be fine and I am only noticing this error with weapons at the moment, but I haven't extensively used Pawn due to the weapon errors) . I currently dual wield [Angry Dread] and Pawn is giving me a number somewhere in the 200s. Meanwhile when I scroll over older banked weapons like [The Stray] it is assigning a value in the 600s (where the value should be). Pawns default codes (while the values are way off base) are at least giving the correct comparison ranking with the superior weapon having a higher ranking. So I thought it may have to do with the string being spit out by EnhSim.
Anybody else experiencing these issues? On a sidenote, LootRank appears to be functioning fine, but I'd love to get an in-game function so I don't have to constantly alt+tab to compare gear.
Here's the string I produce and plug into Pawn. From my novice opinion, it appears to be fine. Any suggestions much appreciated.
Anybody else experiencing these issues? On a sidenote, LootRank appears to be functioning fine, but I'd love to get an in-game function so I don't have to constantly alt+tab to compare gear.
Here's the string I produce and plug into Pawn. From my novice opinion, it appears to be fine. Any suggestions much appreciated.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4559.61 ap 1.00 0.52 4663.45 103.83 crit rating 1.65 0.86 4585.37 25.76 hit rating 2.01 1.04 4590.88 31.27 expertise rating 2.50 1.30 4602.24 42.62 haste rating 1.20 0.62 4578.33 18.72 armor penetration rating 1.08 0.56 4576.38 16.77 spellpower 1.13 0.59 4647.87 88.26 mh dps 5.33 2.77 4580.38 20.76 oh dps 2.61 1.35 4569.77 10.16 strength 1.10 agility 1.64 intelligence 1.44 spirit -0.01 -0.00 4558.99 -0.63 mana 0.00 0.00 4560.01 0.39 mp5 0.17 0.09 4561.40 1.79 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.65, HitRating=2.01, HasteRating=1.20 , ExpertiseRating=2.50, ArmorPenetration=1.08, SpellDamage=1.13, MainHandDps=5.3 3, OffHandDps=2.61, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.64, Intellect=1.44, Spirit=-0.01, M ana=0.00, Mp5=0.17 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.20&dps=5.33&mp5=0.17&mcr =1.65&odps=2.61&spd=1.13&Agi=1.64&mhit=2.01&Int=1.44&Spi=-0.01&map=1.00&arp=1.08 &Exp=2.50 elapsed simulation time: 140000.00h elapsed real time: 283.53s simulation speed: 1777583x
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Originally Posted by Purges
I currently dual wield [Angry Dread] and Pawn is giving me a number somewhere in the 200s. Meanwhile when I scroll over older banked weapons like [The Stray] it is assigning a value in the 600s (where the value should be). Pawns default codes (while the values are way off base) are at least giving the correct comparison ranking with the superior weapon having a higher ranking. So I thought it may have to do with the string being spit out by EnhSim.
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That said, Gratz! on the awesome weapons.
Is it possible that you have the Pawn MH/OH dps values only in place in the Fist weapon slot and not in the general weapon slot?
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Originally Posted by Purges
I am unsure if this belongs here or over at Pawns forums, but I figured I'd try here first since I'm producing my values using EnhSim. I guess I'm trying to find out if anybody else is having any problems with either the export string produced by EnhSim or with plugging that string into Pawn itself? I am getting very strange EP numbers when looking at weapons using Pawn's tooltip (I should note, that other gear "appears" to be fine and I am only noticing this error with weapons at the moment, but I haven't extensively used Pawn due to the weapon errors) . I currently dual wield [Angry Dread] and Pawn is giving me a number somewhere in the 200s. Meanwhile when I scroll over older banked weapons like [The Stray] it is assigning a value in the 600s (where the value should be). Pawns default codes (while the values are way off base) are at least giving the correct comparison ranking with the superior weapon having a higher ranking. So I thought it may have to do with the string being spit out by EnhSim.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I believe it's a bug in Pawn, I have noticed the same thing and I think sometimes Pawn just ignores the DPS value on some weapons.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Grab the version that Tukez posted on the previous page. He hasn't updated the files on his site with those changes yet.
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Anyone else getting expertise cap issues? I have 168 rating atm but the sim says I'm over the cap. Even taking the EP range into account (which at 4 would add ~32 rating) that's still less than the cap of 213.
I'm also getting weird haste results atm (<0.5) which in the past have reverted to normal ones (1.3-1.4) with an upgrade or two but then change back to the weird <0.5 values again with the next upgrades.
I'm also getting weird haste results atm (<0.5) which in the past have reverted to normal ones (1.3-1.4) with an upgrade or two but then change back to the weird <0.5 values again with the next upgrades.
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Originally Posted by Totentanz
I used that version. Then followed the instructions, still I got the errors. I'm on a G5 Mac with OSX 10.5.5, XCode 3.0
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There were two linked versions on the previous page. The first one suffered those operator problems. Make sure you use the one here:
EnhSim, DPS simulator
I compiled on XCode 3.1 on an Intel chip. I don't think, necessarily, this is the problem, especially considering your errors are identical to the ones Malan and I found.
Which version of GCC are you using with XCode 3.0?
If your code has the errors still, do the search and replace as tukez suggested.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I believe it's a bug in Pawn, I have noticed the same thing and I think sometimes Pawn just ignores the DPS value on some weapons.
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Pawn also can't know if you want that One-Handed to be used on MH or OH.
What I do is make 2 Pawn "profiles", one where One-Hands have the MH DPS value and one where they have the OH DPS value, cause then you know how much it would be worth if you are using Angry Dead and others One-Handed weapons on either the MH or the OH.
1.5 here
The dps i'm seeing ingame with recount is 200 higher than what i`m getting at the simulator.
Any idea?
The dps i'm seeing ingame with recount is 200 higher than what i`m getting at the simulator.
Any idea?
I might be missing something vital, but why is 1 ap only valued 1 ep when it's real value is 1 ep +(Spelldmg Ep/3) ?
Is it because it's the baseline for ep calculation, so all ep values is relative to ap with that included bonus?
Is it because it's the baseline for ep calculation, so all ep values is relative to ap with that included bonus?
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Originally Posted by Supradog
I might be missing something vital, but why is 1 ap only valued 1 ep when it's real value is 1 ep +(Spelldmg Ep/3) ?
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I'm having an odd problem when I try to use the simulator. Forgive me if this has already been covered in a previous post, but when I try to simulate my current stats, the simulator doesn't include melee damage. No matter what I change to my melee stats, the dps stays at 1350dps or so. The only time this changes is when I increase spell damage or crit, so I'm assuming the simulator is only simulating spellcasts. How can I change this?
pawn low weapon ep
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Originally Posted by tukez
I believe it's a bug in Pawn, I have noticed the same thing and I think sometimes Pawn just ignores the DPS value on some weapons.
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You can copy your first pawn profile, name it MH and copy the MH-dps into normal weapon dps, same for OH.
its not the best solution since you got 3 values for normal items, but you dont got to add the weapon dps yourself.
sry for my bad english i hope you get the point
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Originally Posted by Vesham
I'm having an odd problem when I try to use the simulator. Forgive me if this has already been covered in a previous post, but when I try to simulate my current stats, the simulator doesn't include melee damage. No matter what I change to my melee stats, the dps stays at 1350dps or so. The only time this changes is when I increase spell damage or crit, so I'm assuming the simulator is only simulating spellcasts. How can I change this?
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If they're actually on it sounds like a bug of some sort.
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Originally Posted by Vesham
I'm having an odd problem when I try to use the simulator. Forgive me if this has already been covered in a previous post, but when I try to simulate my current stats, the simulator doesn't include melee damage. No matter what I change to my melee stats, the dps stays at 1350dps or so. The only time this changes is when I increase spell damage or crit, so I'm assuming the simulator is only simulating spellcasts. How can I change this?
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Nerfbat incoming.
Tukez would you mind creating a separate version of the sim to reflect the proposed changes on the PTR (separate exe files) so we can see how the nerf is potentially going to affect us.
For people who haven't seen it yet.
Mental Quickness: Reduced the mana cost of instant cast Shaman spells by 2/4/6% and increases spell power by an amount equal to 23/46/70% of your agility.
is listed in the PTR patch notes.
WoW -> Test Realm Patch Notes
That's about a 50% reduction in static spellpower and a substantial nerf to our spell damage while raiding considering Battleshout, Unleashed Rage and all the AP trinkets will no longer affect how much spellpower we have.
No need to QQ until we get real numbers though.
Tukez would you mind creating a separate version of the sim to reflect the proposed changes on the PTR (separate exe files) so we can see how the nerf is potentially going to affect us.
For people who haven't seen it yet.
Mental Quickness: Reduced the mana cost of instant cast Shaman spells by 2/4/6% and increases spell power by an amount equal to 23/46/70% of your agility.
is listed in the PTR patch notes.
WoW -> Test Realm Patch Notes
That's about a 50% reduction in static spellpower and a substantial nerf to our spell damage while raiding considering Battleshout, Unleashed Rage and all the AP trinkets will no longer affect how much spellpower we have.
No need to QQ until we get real numbers though.
I'd be really interested in seeing a new sim with the change to see what it does to values of agi relative to AP and such. My latest simming already puts agi at about 1.8.
I'm less concerned about my overall damage, since I'm the Enh buffbot and already doing less than total potential because I have to bring UR and Imp WF to the raid, as well as doing a lot of pitch in heals from MW, as I am worried about how the spellpower change will affect the utility of the extra healing and in a pinch stuff I do a ton of in 5s and 10s, as well as how I should be choosing gear/gems etc.
I'm less concerned about my overall damage, since I'm the Enh buffbot and already doing less than total potential because I have to bring UR and Imp WF to the raid, as well as doing a lot of pitch in heals from MW, as I am worried about how the spellpower change will affect the utility of the extra healing and in a pinch stuff I do a ton of in 5s and 10s, as well as how I should be choosing gear/gems etc.
Shaman: Lava Lash - Fixed a bug which allowed you to use the ability even if you had a shield in offhand. Now requires a 1hand axe, fist or dagger to be able to be used.
Hmm mace?
Hmm mace?
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Man, that enh nerf seems way over the top. :<
I'm gonna try to modify the sim to get some rough estimates of dps loss, and I'll be back here to post what I found.
Quick and dirty sim run: (some values of the raid buffs are not accurate (level 70 versions I believe) I was too lazy to update them again to get a sense of things there, perhaps some of it is made back up but:
First is a normal parse with my values seen in my profile armory link, with the old mental quickness. The second is me manually dialing down my spell power (a net loss of ~500 SP) and removing my talent points in the sim from MQ.
Of course this is a very imprecise and quick and dirty comparison, the numbers speak for themselves.
I'm gonna try to modify the sim to get some rough estimates of dps loss, and I'll be back here to post what I found.
Quick and dirty sim run: (some values of the raid buffs are not accurate (level 70 versions I believe) I was too lazy to update them again to get a sense of things there, perhaps some of it is made back up but:
First is a normal parse with my values seen in my profile armory link, with the old mental quickness. The second is me manually dialing down my spell power (a net loss of ~500 SP) and removing my talent points in the sim from MQ.
Of course this is a very imprecise and quick and dirty comparison, the numbers speak for themselves.
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Originally Posted by Zyla
Man, that enh nerf seems way over the top. :<
I'm gonna try to modify the sim to get some rough estimates of dps loss, and I'll be back here to post what I found. |
I did some playing with the current sim - basically just unspec mental quickness and then change your spellpower value to what you would get from raidbuffed agility (incl Kings and Mark basically - this won't work if you are using a Darkmoon: Greatness card btw).
We lose about 10% of our dps (~250) solo and unbuffed and about 11% of our current dps in a fully raid buffed situation (~500), based on my rough hackage.
Other then that (lol) it's really not a bad change since it does fix the issue with the need to sim the hell outta offhand weapons to determine upgrades (since fast ones were starting to near the value of slow ones due to Flametongue scaling with all the AP and Haste that is available). It also opens up some room for them to give us personal buffs to go with Unleashed Rage and Improved Windfury Totem. Maybe they will even use it as an opportunity to finally do something about the hidden cooldown on Windfury Weapon.
I can say that this does change the math for Weapon Enchants, without some other changes Goose is back since this change would make it worth 212EP (based on my very rough hackage) compared to Berzerkers 208EP.
I kinda hope we get something else to help. I do agree it was completely ridiculous to have 2k spell damage raid buffed as well as having like 5k ap, just from a sense of numbers, but it seemed in line with their "vision".
I suppose the bottom line is that we're still fine but it feels pretty harsh.
Seems like it also makes the Darkmoon card undeniably best in slot.
I suppose the bottom line is that we're still fine but it feels pretty harsh.
Seems like it also makes the Darkmoon card undeniably best in slot.
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Originally Posted by Zyla
I kinda hope we get something else to help. I do agree it was completely ridiculous to have 2k spell damage raid buffed as well as having like 5k ap, just from a sense of numbers, but it seemed in line with their "vision".
I suppose the bottom line is that we're still fine but it feels pretty harsh. Seems like it also makes the Darkmoon card undeniably best in slot. |
Doing the same thing Zyla did to test the nerf, I'm going from 5173 to 4473 on the sim, which is something like 13.5%.
I guess I need to get a Greatness card now.
I guess I need to get a Greatness card now.
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I updated the sim with the PTR changes, and adjusted my spell power down from 1077 to 620 (3592 AP, 885 agi), and the result was only a 250 DPS loss.
Live:
PTR:
This is my first time actually looking at the source, so it's possible that there's still some AP --> spellpower conversion that I didn't remove, or AGI --> spellpower conversions that I didn't add, but I'm reasonably confident that I didn't miss anything.
Edit: None of this matters anyways, since Blizzard changed their mind about changing Mental Quickness already.
Live:
DPS PPM MPS white 1618.75 33.81% 82.92 windfury 599.32 12.52% 6.28 flametongue 505.22 10.55% 51.74 stormstrike 292.40 6.11% 6.67 36.76 28.11% lava lash 168.51 3.52% 8.18 16.35 12.51% earth shock 577.84 12.07% 8.65 30.82 23.57% lightning bolt 798.80 16.69% 8.23 46.82 35.81% lightning shield 226.67 4.73% 0.78 0.00 0.00% DPS 4787.53 MPS 130.75 MP2min 15689.47 MRPS 101.04 Out of mana time 0.03%
DPS PPM MPS white 1616.26 35.69% 82.91 windfury 600.80 13.27% 6.29 flametongue 443.87 9.8% 51.71 stormstrike 292.45 6.46% 6.67 36.76 28.10% lava lash 168.41 3.72% 8.18 16.34 12.49% earth shock 516.05 11.4% 8.65 30.83 23.57% lightning bolt 690.51 15.25% 8.25 46.89 35.84% lightning shield 200.21 4.42% 0.79 0.00 0.00% DPS 4528.58 MPS 130.82 MP2min 15698.15 MRPS 101.03 Out of mana time 0.03%
Edit: None of this matters anyways, since Blizzard changed their mind about changing Mental Quickness already.
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It's been reverted! 
I love the fact that I told Blizz during Beta that they needed to move MQ further down the tree to fix that stupid Elemental spec.
quick question for enh spelldamage input.. should i input spelldamge without or with FT applied
Regarding the negative haste values.
I just downloaded the newest sim and figured I'd finally redo my EP values, but when I did I had a negative value for haste (and expertise, but that's because I sat expertise to -10).
I fiddled around a little with it, and I noticed I had a very low (but not negative!) value for haste when I checked the Naxx_melee_2 setbonus. However, I got a negative value when I used the Naxx_melee_4 bonus. Could it be an issue with these bonuses or flurry, or is it simply as people have suggested, RNG?
I just downloaded the newest sim and figured I'd finally redo my EP values, but when I did I had a negative value for haste (and expertise, but that's because I sat expertise to -10).
I fiddled around a little with it, and I noticed I had a very low (but not negative!) value for haste when I checked the Naxx_melee_2 setbonus. However, I got a negative value when I used the Naxx_melee_4 bonus. Could it be an issue with these bonuses or flurry, or is it simply as people have suggested, RNG?
Negative haste value is problem of windfury cd. When main hand goes down 1.5s wf procs goes down. Becouse mongoose isn't allways up there is about 4% range where haste have reduced value. This value can be also negative. Try without haste buffs, passive haste, mongoose and flurry using 1.5s main hand. Then run sim. You will get negative haste value for sure becouse effective Wf proc goes down at 16.66% to 14.28%.
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Originally Posted by Zyla
It's been reverted!
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Hi everyone,
I am kind of new at this forum so sorry for that maybe stupid question.
I cant run the simulator, because my Computer still has no SSE2, so i wanted to ask, if it is possible to get it run in any other ways or if there are simple alternatives to it.
Thanks
I am kind of new at this forum so sorry for that maybe stupid question.
I cant run the simulator, because my Computer still has no SSE2, so i wanted to ask, if it is possible to get it run in any other ways or if there are simple alternatives to it.
Thanks
From PTR 3.0.8 Build 9355 :
| Glyph of Windfury Weapon - Increases the chance per swing for Windfury Weapon to trigger by 5%. (Old - The attack power bonus on the additional attacks granted by Windfury Weapon is increased by 40%.) |
Hey tukaz, just to let you know:
You've listed the trinket "Bandit's_Insignia" as "Bandits_Insignia", and as a result it doesn't appear automatically when you export from ShockAndAwe
You've listed the trinket "Bandit's_Insignia" as "Bandits_Insignia", and as a result it doesn't appear automatically when you export from ShockAndAwe
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Originally Posted by aers
From PTR 3.0.8 Build 9355 :
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Last edited by Leviathon : 12/13/08 at 10:43 AM.
New wf glyph will boost singe wield wf damage about 15.4-20%. This is about ~2% dps increase. Math behind these numbes are simple. After all haste effect with slower than 1.5s weapon we actual proc chance is 16.666% and with that glyph it's 20%. If main hand hit faster than 1.5s then numbers are 14.44% and 16.66%.
0.2 / 0.1666... = 1.2
0.16666... / 0.1444... = 1.1538
Then if wf damage is about 10-15% total damage this give about ~2% damage increase. Increased wf hits also give some benefit to damage I can guess this is around +1%. Much better that before.
0.2 / 0.1666... = 1.2
0.16666... / 0.1444... = 1.1538
Then if wf damage is about 10-15% total damage this give about ~2% damage increase. Increased wf hits also give some benefit to damage I can guess this is around +1%. Much better that before.
Would this also make totem of splintering more viable too? (still carrying stonebreakers and have yet to see dueling drop in naxx)
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
New wf glyph will boost singe wield wf damage about 15.4-20%. This is about ~2% dps increase. Math behind these numbes are simple. After all haste effect with slower than 1.5s weapon we actual proc chance is 16.666% and with that glyph it's 20%. If main hand hit faster than 1.5s then numbers are 14.44% and 16.66%.
0.2 / 0.1666... = 1.2 0.16666... / 0.1444... = 1.1538 Then if wf damage is about 10-15% total damage this give about ~2% damage increase. Increased wf hits also give some benefit to damage I can guess this is around +1%. Much better that before. |
Of course if it does work out to a 20% proc rate, that tells me they have no plans to ever take WF off the CD, as it will essentially have the 20% stated proc rate we should have been getting all along.
Is there any data from the sim to support whether the Totem of Splintering or the Totem of Dueling is better?
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Originally Posted by Sado
Is there any data from the sim to support whether the Totem of Splintering or the Totem of Dueling is better?
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Splintering is a PoS btw, even with the new glyph it's still a PoS.
Wait for the new PvP ones, even the Blue is better then any of our current options (I think - but it's close enough that if you don't have Dueling you won't miss it).
comparing angry dread from noth 25, to the stray from 10man trash. Both used in the OH i'm getting a 29dps increase in favor of the stray even though the decline in stats and a difference of only 0.1 weapon speed. My question is what exactly is it about that 0.1 speed that makes up so much in favor of this weapon?
Enhsim really seems to prefer matched weapon speeds.
For example I ran the sim with my stats, with 2.5/2.6, 2.6/2.6, 2.7/2.6 weapon speeds with wf/ft and mongoose/mongoose.
2.5/2.6: 4067.60 dps
2.6/2.6: 4137.82 dps
2.7/2.6: 4106.80 dps
Looking into the breakdown to find the source of the dps increase, and it appears to be a higher flurry uptime.
2.5/2.6: 84.90%
2.6/2.6: 91.89%
2.7/2.6: 85.05%
Is this something that other people see with their stats? Is it a real mechanic, or a bug in the sim?
For example I ran the sim with my stats, with 2.5/2.6, 2.6/2.6, 2.7/2.6 weapon speeds with wf/ft and mongoose/mongoose.
2.5/2.6: 4067.60 dps
2.6/2.6: 4137.82 dps
2.7/2.6: 4106.80 dps
Looking into the breakdown to find the source of the dps increase, and it appears to be a higher flurry uptime.
2.5/2.6: 84.90%
2.6/2.6: 91.89%
2.7/2.6: 85.05%
Is this something that other people see with their stats? Is it a real mechanic, or a bug in the sim?
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Originally Posted by Otoswrath
comparing angry dread from noth 25, to the stray from 10man trash. Both used in the OH i'm getting a 29dps increase in favor of the stray even though the decline in stats and a difference of only 0.1 weapon speed. My question is what exactly is it about that 0.1 speed that makes up so much in favor of this weapon?
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Last edited by Vesham : 12/14/08 at 11:32 AM.
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Originally Posted by Tramana
Enhsim really seems to prefer matched weapon speeds.
For example I ran the sim with my stats, with 2.5/2.6, 2.6/2.6, 2.7/2.6 weapon speeds with wf/ft and mongoose/mongoose. 2.5/2.6: 4067.60 dps 2.6/2.6: 4137.82 dps 2.7/2.6: 4106.80 dps Looking into the breakdown to find the source of the dps increase, and it appears to be a higher flurry uptime. 2.5/2.6: 84.90% 2.6/2.6: 91.89% 2.7/2.6: 85.05% Is this something that other people see with their stats? Is it a real mechanic, or a bug in the sim? |
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Originally Posted by Atren
It is flurry mechanics i believe. With equal speed unless you get parries flurry gives you 4 hasted attacks instead of 3.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Except I thought that was disproved a long time back?
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definitely changing the dps when I change the weapon speeds which is why I am so confused and thought it might a bug, I checked the rest of the damage brake down and it seemed that for some reason the sim with the slower OH had more white damage it also had more SS and WF damage even after about 5 runs which confused me because angry dread has a higher min/max damage so SS should be larger and OH speed shouldn't affect MH wf's as far as I know
Im getting a similar problem to some others who have an issue with the expertise cap. My version appears to be capped at 181. I haven't changed boss dodge values at all.
I've deleted the entire folder and rar file (aside from my exported configuration from Shock&Awe which I saved as config_new, if that makes any difference), and re-downloaded. Im definitely using the enhsim.exe path which leads to the newest version of the file, created Monday, December 08, 2008, 9:08:10 PM.
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
I've deleted the entire folder and rar file (aside from my exported configuration from Shock&Awe which I saved as config_new, if that makes any difference), and re-downloaded. Im definitely using the enhsim.exe path which leads to the newest version of the file, created Monday, December 08, 2008, 9:08:10 PM.
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
It would be interesting to look at the old research on the flurry subject. It appears there is something real with the flurry uptime differences.
I got some low level weapons from the auction house that have no meaningful stats and auto-attacked for 30 minutes on the grandmaster's training dummy.
sim: 2.7/2.7 63% flurry uptime
live: 2.7/2.7 61% flurry uptime
sim: 2.8/2.7 52% flurry uptime
live: 2.8/2.7 56% flurry uptime
One thing I noticed is that enhsim seems to start the weapons in phase, and they stay there if they have the same speed. On live they start out about half a swing out of phase, but eventually get in phase and once they get in phase, they stay in phase. They got in-phase after several minutes on the combat dummy.
I think in-phase weapons would have higher up-time because flurry would proc/fade on both weapons at the same time, so you have more swings with the flurry buff.
I saved a combat log that shows when they first get in phase, and how flurry interacts.
Every time I stop, and restart combat my weapons start out of phase. It seems like enhsim should do the same, or else it will overvalue matched weapon speed configurations.
I got some low level weapons from the auction house that have no meaningful stats and auto-attacked for 30 minutes on the grandmaster's training dummy.
sim: 2.7/2.7 63% flurry uptime
live: 2.7/2.7 61% flurry uptime
sim: 2.8/2.7 52% flurry uptime
live: 2.8/2.7 56% flurry uptime
One thing I noticed is that enhsim seems to start the weapons in phase, and they stay there if they have the same speed. On live they start out about half a swing out of phase, but eventually get in phase and once they get in phase, they stay in phase. They got in-phase after several minutes on the combat dummy.
I think in-phase weapons would have higher up-time because flurry would proc/fade on both weapons at the same time, so you have more swings with the flurry buff.
I saved a combat log that shows when they first get in phase, and how flurry interacts.
12/14 13:41:05.760 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,222,221,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:05.993 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,449,448,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:07.526 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Tramana",0x511,"Tramana",0x511,16280,"Flurry",0x1,BUFF 12/14 13:41:07.760 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,467,466,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil (crit) 12/14 13:41:08.027 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,448,447,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:08.293 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,"Tramana",0x511,"Tramana",0x511,16280,"Flurry",0x1,BUFF 12/14 13:41:10.365 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,467,466,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil (crit) 12/14 13:41:10.365 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,923,922,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil (crit) 12/14 13:41:10.644 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,nil,0x80000000,"Tramana",0x511,16280,"Flurry",0x1,BUFF 12/14 13:41:12.165 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,221,220,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:12.165 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,448,447,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:14.368 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,453,452,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:14.368 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,464,463,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil (crit) 12/14 13:41:16.367 SWING_MISSED,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,MISS 12/14 13:41:16.367 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,462,461,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:18.201 SWING_DAMAGE,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,465,464,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 12/14 13:41:18.201 SWING_MISSED,"Tramana",0x511,"Grandmaster's Training Dummy",0x10a28,DODGE 12/14 13:41:20.400 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Tramana",0x511,"Tramana",0x511,16280,"Flurry",0x1,BUFF
good work this is what I was wondering, you said it took you a few minutes to get 'in phase' this would mean that for any real boss fight, especially non static ones you're very unlikely to get in phase and the amount of flurry uptime difference made by having such a small difference in weapon speed would be negligible at best?
While many people test out different weapon speeds, I was wondering what is the best weapon setup as of now. Calamity's Grasp in main hand, of course, but Angry Dread or Sinister Revenge in offhand? I tried running the enhSim, and it gave slightly higher more dps with the Sinister Revenge, what did you guys get?
The LootRank export string is screwing up the ArmorPen value everytime I export it.
That string is somehow translating ArmorPen into some crazy values like 84.000000 when I view it in Lootrank.
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.89&dps=5.88&mp5=0.00&mcr=1.89&odps=2.58&spd=1.00&Agi=1.77&mhit=2.53&Int=1.47&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.20&Exp=2.78
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Originally Posted by kristaps
While many people test out different weapon speeds, I was wondering what is the best weapon setup as of now. Calamity's Grasp in main hand, of course, but Angry Dread or Sinister Revenge in offhand? I tried running the enhSim, and it gave slightly higher more dps with the Sinister Revenge, what did you guys get?
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I tried to create a workaround to get the actual dps for the linked weapons by causing them to desync by making the mainhand speed 2.5999999~, which places Sinister Revenge first with Angry Dread second and The Stray about 25dps behind total.
Fake Edit:
I decided to try to finagle a 100% flurry uptime by just giving myself 100% crit (6.22% haste)
Results were :
2.6/2.6 : 6239.30 dps
2.6/2.5 : 6220 dps
2.6/1.8 : 6191 dps
Same dps (171.4/143.7)
Additional Testing, changing the variable dps to match the items
2.6/2.6(143.7dps) = 6240
2.6/2.5(156.6dps) = 6239
2.6/1.8(171.1dps) = 6231
Interesting stuff, and I can't seem to isolate why it matters that much, whether it's a bug in the sim or something else, it appears to be unrelated to flurry if its bugged or not.
Clarification edit: I was too lazy to change the stat values of the items beyond what was already on The Stray, so higher other stats based on your EP values will also increase dps.
The gist seems to be that none of the three are bad choices but they're all roughly equal.
Last edited by Zyla : 12/15/08 at 2:24 AM.
Currently unable to run the sim on my laptop for some reason, but I'd imagine that [Last Laugh] is superior dps due to being 1.6spd (even with the obvious tank stats). Has anyone with a working sim tried the calamity / laugh combo?
Many thanks for the sim and all the work put into enh theorycraft, it has saved me oodles of time lately.
Many thanks for the sim and all the work put into enh theorycraft, it has saved me oodles of time lately.
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Originally Posted by Zyla
I decided to try to finagle a 100% flurry uptime by just giving myself 100% crit (6.22% haste)
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A better way to see if there is a matched weapon speed effect without flurry is to give 0 talent points to flurry.
5/5 flurry
2.6/2.5 4131.52 dps
2.6/2.6 4172.81 dps
2.6/2.7 4143.24 dps
0/5 flurry
2.6/2.5 3662.65 dps
2.6/2.6 3670.32 dps
2.6/2.7 3676.42 dps
It sure seems like most of the effect is from flurry. Could you try it again without flurry with your stats?
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Originally Posted by Perty
Currently unable to run the sim on my laptop for some reason, but I'd imagine that [Last Laugh] is superior dps due to being 1.6spd (even with the obvious tank stats). Has anyone with a working sim tried the calamity / laugh combo?
Many thanks for the sim and all the work put into enh theorycraft, it has saved me oodles of time lately. |
I get 6181.5 dps for that weapon's dps and speed. Of course, it will be less than this because it lacks the dps stats as well.
I think the bottom line on that one is that it's bad. Just completely bad. The amount you gain in flametongue does not make up for less from stormstrike and lash.
edit: ran thru a comparison of the weapons using my stats, 100% crit rate and 0% miss/dodge/glancing, to assure full flurry uptime, and eliminate modeling "noise". Again, using the other stats of the stray.
The Stray: 7048
Angry Dread: 7074
Sinister Revenge: 7097
Mythical 171.1 dps 2.6 speed fist: 7102
This type of test seems kind of stupid and inaccurate for other reasons, but I can't really articulate why or anything.
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So your point being is that all 3 offhands (Stray, Angry Dead and Sinister Revenge) are of the same quality and I shouldn't bother getting others if I have Angry Dead now (using it as main hand now though, waiting on Calamity's Grasp)?
Well, if the last test I did has any sort of significance, it appears that Sinister Revenge is best in slot, by a small margin. If you have AD, you're pretty set, although you might want to grab SR if the rogues don't mind.
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Originally Posted by Zyla
Well, if the last test I did has any sort of significance, it appears that Sinister Revenge is best in slot, by a small margin. If you have AD, you're pretty set, although you might want to grab SR if the rogues don't mind.
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On a side note - I made the best gear list I could find (chardev.org v4 - A World of Warcraft character planner - template #106684), but I don't trust my character development skills that much (regarding expertise cap - planning to eat 40expertise rating food). Anyone has some advices on it or has his own, better gear wishlist?
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Originally Posted by kristaps
Well, we have like 2 rogues, one of them is still a trial, and both of them are interested in Calamity's Grasp ^^ Thanks for your help.
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I must say, great job everyone of you with all these calculations and stuff 
Anyway, one thing is bothering me, and it is that, isn't a fast weapon "better" than a slow weapon with equal dps/stats and whatever? Since, doesn't the faster weapon procc Static shock and flurry more often because it swings faster? (I'm kinda new to this so correct my flaws, might've missed something etc.) Would be glad with a response!
Keep up the good work, cheers!
-/stolf
Anyway, one thing is bothering me, and it is that, isn't a fast weapon "better" than a slow weapon with equal dps/stats and whatever? Since, doesn't the faster weapon procc Static shock and flurry more often because it swings faster? (I'm kinda new to this so correct my flaws, might've missed something etc.) Would be glad with a response!
Keep up the good work, cheers!
-/stolf
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Originally Posted by Stolf
I must say, great job everyone of you with all these calculations and stuff
Anyway, one thing is bothering me, and it is that, isn't a fast weapon "better" than a slow weapon with equal dps/stats and whatever? Since, doesn't the faster weapon procc Static shock and flurry more often because it swings faster? (I'm kinda new to this so correct my flaws, might've missed something etc.) Would be glad with a response! Keep up the good work, cheers! -/stolf |
-increased static shock procs
-better FT scaling
Slower weapons:
-higher SS/WF/LL damage
-higher flurry uptime (because SS/WF proc but don't consume flurry)
-more MW procs (ppm mechanic interaction with yellow attacks)
All else being equal, slow is better.
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Originally Posted by Stolf
I must say, great job everyone of you with all these calculations and stuff
 Anyway, one thing is bothering me, and it is that, isn't a fast weapon "better" than a slow weapon with equal dps/stats and whatever? Since, doesn't the faster weapon procc Static shock and flurry more often because it swings faster? (I'm kinda new to this so correct my flaws, might've missed something etc.) Would be glad with a response! Keep up the good work, cheers! -/stolf |
This has been asked and answered a 1001 times, the answers are in the Think Tank article and the sim will provide personalised answers.
Enhsim tells me that including MW4_LB and MW3_LB in the priority list improves my dps. The enhancement TTT says that casting with less than 5 stacks resets the swing timer. Since these seem to be at odds, I wanted to test this out.
I took a 2 handed weapon 3.58 speed (including my haste) to make testing the mechanic easier. I have about 200ms latency. My lightning bolt has a 2.42 second cast time according to the tooltip.
Here are a few examples from the combatlog.
Then I checked enhsim to see what mechanic it uses:
I took a 2 handed weapon 3.58 speed (including my haste) to make testing the mechanic easier. I have about 200ms latency. My lightning bolt has a 2.42 second cast time according to the tooltip.
Here are a few examples from the combatlog.
0 maelstrom -- 9.407 between swings, 3.4 seconds between spell damage and swing.Conclusions:12/16 13:30:45.798 SWING_DAMAGE0 maelstrom -- 6.14 seconds between swings, 3.4 seconds between spell damage and swing
12/16 13:30:49.207 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 13:30:51.835 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 13:30:55.205 SWING_DAMAGE12/16 15:05:19.900 SWING_DAMAGE1 maelstrom -- 3.6 seconds between swings
12/16 15:05:19.970 SPELL_CAST_START, "Lightning Bolt"
12/16 15:05:22.594 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 15:05:26.036 SWING_DAMAGE12/16 15:20:55.509 SWING_DAMAGE2 maelstrom -- 2.7 seconds between flurry hasted swings
12/16 15:20:55.867 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 15:20:56.114 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED, "Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/16 15:20:58.185 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/16 15:20:58.242 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lightning Bolt",0x8,2818,2817,8,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
12/16 15:20:59.097 SWING_DAMAGE12/16 14:28:27.329 SWING_DAMAGE3 maelstrom -- 3.6 seconds between swings
12/16 14:28:27.831 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF,2
12/16 14:28:27.841 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,"Flurry"
12/16 14:28:30.281 SWING_DAMAGE
12/16 14:28:30.385 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 14:28:31.889 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Maelstrom Weapon"
12/16 14:28:32.141 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 14:28:32.979 SWING_DAMAGE12/16 13:29:50.519 SWING_DAMAGE4 maelstrom -- 7.31 seconds between swings (I timed the cast to clip the weapon swing)
12/16 13:29:50.770 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Maelstrom Weapon"
12/16 13:29:52.519 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 13:29:53.530 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Maelstrom Weapon"
12/16 13:29:53.839 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 13:29:54.090 SWING_DAMAGE12/16 14:58:14.949 SWING_DAMAGE
12/16 14:58:15.854 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF,4
12/16 14:58:17.044 SPELL_CAST_START"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 14:58:18.681 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/16 14:58:18.991 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 14:58:22.259 SWING_DAMAGE
- With 0 stacks of MW, the swing timer gets reset when you cast a spell.
- With 1+ stacks of MW, the swing timer continues to run, and can clip weapon swings (much like the old warrior slam mechanic)
- With 5 stacks of MW, the spell cast is instant so it doesn't interact with the swing.
Then I checked enhsim to see what mechanic it uses:
1 maelstrom -- 5.5 seconds between swingsLooks like Enhsim pauses the swing timer during casts with MW stacks. It's hard to say which way this would bias rotations which use MW4_LB and MW3_LB. It would be nice if someone could try to reproduce what I'm seeing in my combatlog.0h 0m 0s MH crit 1896.492 maelstrom -- 5.01 seconds between swings
0h 0m 0s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (1)
0h 0m 0.19s Casting started
0h 0m 1.91s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 2.12s Lightning Bolt hit 1827.39
0h 0m 5.5s MH glancing 684.9680h 0m 7.14s MH crit 2015.76
0h 0m 7.14s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (2)
0h 0m 7.33s Casting started
0h 0m 8.77s Lightning Bolt crit 3401.82
0h 0m 9.05s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 12.15s MH crit 2015.76
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Originally Posted by Tramana
Enhsim tells me that including MW4_LB and MW3_LB in the priority list improves my dps. The enhancement TTT says that casting with less than 5 stacks resets the swing timer. Since these seem to be at odds, I wanted to test this out.
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I didn't get the clipping you are seeing with my testing on the Beta server though.
They changed the slam mechanism and I assumed they used the same one for MW especially since it worked that way for me.
Basically it just pauses the swing timer when you try to cast a spell with even a single stack of MW. It's not really possible to clip it since it should just be pausing the timer.
Try this test - wait 2 seconds after a swing hit and then start your cast with only 1-2 stacks of MW so that the cast time definitely clips the swing timer. You will see the spell cast and then the swing hit right after as if it was paused during the cast.
That was what I saw when I did the testing and that was what I reported back then. If it is clipping the swing timer when they both would go off exactly at the same time then it is something that definitely needs more testing.
Is it actually pausing the swing timer for stacks 1-4? If so then the wiki article is definitely worded wrong, as right now I have it stating that it completely resets it.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Is it actually pausing the swing timer for stacks 1-4? If so then the wiki article is definitely worded wrong, as right now I have it stating that it completely resets it.
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Look at my 4 maelstrom case. It looks like it's clipping. I'll retest to confirm for other maelstrom stacks timed to clip.
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Originally Posted by Tramana
Look at my 4 maelstrom case. It looks like it's clipping. I'll retest to confirm for other maelstrom stacks timed to clip.
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Even if it can clip, and I think that is something else since I was intentionally trying to clip with only a 1-2 stack when I did my original testing, it is still irrelevant to Malan's question.
It pauses the swing timer since if it reset it then there wouldn't be any question of clipping or not.
If you try to cast a spell without any stacks of MW the swing timer is reset completely, even if the cast was quick quick enough to fit inside a single swing of your weapon. That isn't what is happening with even a single stack of MW so the wiki needs to be updated.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Even if it can clip, and I think that is something else since I was intentionally trying to clip with only a 1-2 stack when I did my original testing, it is still irrelevant to Malan's question.
It pauses the swing timer since if it reset it then there wouldn't be any question of clipping or not. If you try to cast a spell without any stacks of MW the swing timer is reset completely, even if the cast was quick quick enough to fit inside a single swing of your weapon. That isn't what is happening with even a single stack of MW so the wiki needs to be updated. |
12/16 22:49:55.388 SWING_DAMAGEFrom my paper doll I have a 3.52 second swing. From the tooltip for LB, Maelstrom Weapon x2 gives a 1.43 cast time.
12/16 22:49:55.940 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF,2
12/16 22:49:57.774 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lightning Bolt",0x8
12/16 22:49:59.388 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/16 22:49:59.698 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lightning Bolt"
12/16 22:50:02.665 SWING_DAMAGE
If the swing timer is pausing the time between swings should be 3.52 + 1.43 = 4.95.
If the swing timer is clipping the time between swing should be 3.52*2 = 7.04.
The measured time between swings from the combatlog is 7.277. This fits with all the other data I've collected where the swing is not delayed if you can fit the cast in between swings, but you get a big delay if the cast falls on a swing.
Last edited by Tramana : 12/17/08 at 3:11 AM. Reason: spelling
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Originally Posted by Tramana
The measured time between swings from the combatlog is 7.277. This fits with all the other data I've collected where the swing is not delayed if you can fit the cast in between swings, but you get a big delay if the cast falls on a swing.
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Try this out.
Hop on the PTR and remove all your talents.
Go over to the Targeting Dummy with your slow 2-hander.
Start autoattack.
Cast a Lava Burst right after a swing so that it should be able to fit inside the swingtimer.
Notice that your swingtimer reset.
Spec talents so that you have at least 1 point in MW.
Try the same thing again, using Lava Burst and without any charges of MW.
Notice that the Swingtimer doesn't reset if the cast fits inside the swing time.
Doesn't matter if you have charges of MW or even what spell you use.
It's not the charges that determine if the swingtimer resets it's whether you specced the talent or not.
The swingtimer does reset if it gets clipped though, you are right about that part. Something changed between my initial testing and now. I did the testing back when Lava Burst was usable with MW, before it would work with heals and before the charges were gained through the PPM mechanic so I guess they just coded the whole thing differently from how it worked when I initially tested it (either that or I just suck at testing, which is a distinct possibility).
This would mean, that the chance of a MW_4 LB reseting our swing timer is rather low if you use two slow weapons and that probably using MW with 4 charges could result in an dps increase over today's MW_5 LB priority.
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Originally Posted by SentinelBorg
This would mean, that the chance of a MW_4 LB reseting our swing timer is rather low if you use two slow weapons and that probably using MW with 4 charges could result in an dps increase over today's MW_5 LB priority.
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I'm actually thinking that could be wrong but I'm not sure how to model it. If either weapon tries to swing before the cast is complete the swingtimers for both should be reset. Whether the chance of them being reset is going to be a dps decrease is a question I'll leave to the smarter members of our community to answer.
MAc Update
I'd like to see a mac update for the new consumables and such, or is there a way to edit it to update it?
I downloaded the newest windows one, and moved the new source files into the mac ones, but it didn't do anything (i don't know anything about MAc coding, just thought it might work.)
I downloaded the newest windows one, and moved the new source files into the mac ones, but it didn't do anything (i don't know anything about MAc coding, just thought it might work.)
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I'm actually thinking that could be wrong but I'm not sure how to model it. If either weapon tries to swing before the cast is complete the swingtimers for both should be reset. Whether the chance of them being reset is going to be a dps decrease is a question I'll leave to the smarter members of our community to answer.
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Originally Posted by HeeroTheShaman
I'd like to see a mac update for the new consumables and such, or is there a way to edit it to update it?
I downloaded the newest windows one, and moved the new source files into the mac ones, but it didn't do anything (i don't know anything about MAc coding, just thought it might work.) |
Hello all.
I'm currently experiencing a problem with the last version of EnhSim (1.5.0)
Basically when i try to calculate my EP i'm getting this error
My configuration file is the following:
What i did wrong ? 
I'm currently experiencing a problem with the last version of EnhSim (1.5.0)
Basically when i try to calculate my EP i'm getting this error
ep_mp5 not found from config. ep_spirit not found from config. ep_mana not found from config. cast_sr_only_if_mana_left not found from config. spi not found from config. arcane_resistance not found from config. shadow_resistance not found from config. max_mana not found from config. mp5 not found from config. use_mana_potion_if_mana_left not found from config. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated.Calculation 2/14: Attack power calcula ted. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated.Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calcul ated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated.Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated.Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculate d. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated.Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2086 ap 1 0 2100 14 crit rating 2 1 2100 14 hit rating 3 1 2104 18 expertise rating 2 1 2103 17 haste rating 1 0 2095 9 armor penetration rating 1 0 2091 5 spellpower 1 0 2093 7 mh dps 5 2 2100 14 oh dps 3 1 2094 8 strength 1 agility 2 intelligence* 1 spirit 0 0 0 -2086 mana 0 0 0 -2086 mp5 0 0 0 -2086 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1, CritRating=2, HitRating=3, HasteRating=1, ExpertiseR ating=2, ArmorPenetration=1, SpellDamage=1, MainHandDps=5, OffHandDps=3, Strengt h=1, Agility=2, Intellect=1, Spirit=0, Mana=0, Mp5=0 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1&mh=1&dps=5&mp5=0&mcr=2&odps=3&sp d=1&Agi=2&mhit=3&Int=1&Spi=0&map=1&arp=1&Exp=2 elapsed simulation time: 11000h elapsed real time: 46s simulation speed: 864704x
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 180 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana ep_spirit ep_mp5 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left use_mana_potion_if_mana_left rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance shadow_resistance armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 143.2 oh_dps 130.2 mh_crit 25.48 oh_crit 25.48 mh_hit 6.59 oh_hit 6.59 mh_expertise_rating 12 oh_expertise_rating 17 ap 3044 haste 3.69 armor_penetration 4.87 str 131 agi 704 int 454 spi spellpower 1187 spell_crit 19.03 spell_hit 8.23 max_mana mp5 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon axe trinket1 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood trinket2 shard_of_contempt totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 lava_lash glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
You can't just blank out the values, tukez has a specific format to indicate a zero or null value. You need to either use a 0 or a - to indicate these things. Check the annotated config file for the full list of what options you can use.
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Originally Posted by scalax
What i did wrong ?
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So Malan, how do i recompile?
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Originally Posted by HeeroTheShaman
So Malan, how do i recompile?
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I was running the simulator to get new EP values since I had not run this simulator in a week or 2 and my gear has changed a fair bit since then.
and heres what I put in
The EP values I get are:
For the most part, those seem right to me, what is bugging me is agility has a higher value then crit, is there something I am doing wrong or is the simulator correct ? I turned off Mana simulation because it always kept giving me 5.0 for intellect.
and heres what I put in
simulation_time 200000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 6
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 0
max_lag 0
simulate_mana 0
ep_precision 3
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 0
ep_haste_rating 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 28
ep_dps 10.0
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 6
rotation_priority1 FS
rotation_priority2 MW5_LB
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 ES
rotation_priority5 LL
rotation_priority6 LS
miss 9.00
dodge 6.50
glancing 25.00
armor 13083
spell_miss 17.00
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
replenishment 1
water_shield 0
mana_spring_totem 1
blessing_of_wisdom 0
judgement_of_wisdom 1
flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom
potion -
food -
misc_item -
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
race tauren
mh_speed 2.50
oh_speed 1.60
mh_dps 143.6
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 27.30
oh_crit 27.30
mh_hit 11.13
oh_hit 11.13
mh_expertise_rating 209.00
oh_expertise_rating 209.00
ap 3331
haste 2.65
armor_penetration 0.00
str 133
agi 709
int 424
spi 153
spellpower 1273
spell_crit 22.62
spell_hit 13.91
max_mana 10476
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue -
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood
totem totem_of_splintering
set_bonus -
metagem -
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 stormstrike
glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
ancestral_knowledge 5/5
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 0/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 2/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/5
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
The EP values I get are:
ap 1.00
crit 1.62
hit 3.10
expertise 0.00(capped)
haste 1.57
armor pen 1.22
Mh dps 7.24
oh dps 2.76
strength 1.10
agility 1.79
int 1.37
For the most part, those seem right to me, what is bugging me is agility has a higher value then crit, is there something I am doing wrong or is the simulator correct ? I turned off Mana simulation because it always kept giving me 5.0 for intellect.
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Originally Posted by Gartixxar
I was running the simulator to get new EP values since I had not run this simulator in a week or 2 and my gear has changed a fair bit since then.
For the most part, those seem right to me, what is bugging me is agility has a higher value then crit, is there something I am doing wrong or is the simulator correct ? I turned off Mana simulation because it always kept giving me 5.0 for intellect. |
How do I get the new consumables working? I have 1.5.0 downloaded.
What consumables are you talking about?
I've tried putting in Elixir of Expertise, Elixir of Mighty Thought, Snapper Extreme, and Flask of Endless Rage. All say it couldn't be found for me.
Please tell me that you aren't actually typing "Flask of Endless Rage" into the config file.
If you're using the GUI make sure to update the enhsim.exe path to the new 1.5 executable.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I started testing with the purpose of either proving you wrong or figuring out where I went wrong and instead I found something really interesting and a bit strange.
Try this out. Hop on the PTR and remove all your talents. Go over to the Targeting Dummy with your slow 2-hander. Start autoattack. Cast a Lava Burst right after a swing so that it should be able to fit inside the swingtimer. Notice that your swingtimer reset. Spec talents so that you have at least 1 point in MW. Try the same thing again, using Lava Burst and without any charges of MW. Notice that the Swingtimer doesn't reset if the cast fits inside the swing time. Doesn't matter if you have charges of MW or even what spell you use. It's not the charges that determine if the swingtimer resets it's whether you specced the talent or not. |
1.81 sec cast Lava Bolt (using WoA to speed up the cast so it's less likely to clip)
3.52 sec swing time
No Maelstrom, timed to not clip:
12/18 09:41:44.492 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/18 09:41:45.501 SWING_DAMAGE
12/18 09:41:46.425 SPELL_CAST_START3,"Lava Burst"
12/18 09:41:48.243 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lava Burst"
12/18 09:41:51.718 SWING_DAMAGE
This matches the swing timer reseting after the spell cast completes
cast_start + cast_time + swing_time = 41:46.43 + 1.81 + 3.52 = 41:51.76
1x Maelstrom, timed to not clip:
12/18 09:57:58.464 SWING_DAMAGE
12/18 09:57:59.168 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/18 09:57:59.625 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lava Burst",0x4
12/18 09:58:01.465 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lava Burst",0x4,2037,2036,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/18 09:58:02.253 SWING_DAMAGE
This matches the swing timer free running during the cast (difference is within my latency reported by quartz)
first_swing + swing_time = 57:58.46 + 3.52 = 58:01.98
1x Maelstrom, timed to clip:
12/18 10:05:52.958 SWING_DAMAGE
12/18 10:05:53.211 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/18 10:05:55.931 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lava Burst"
12/18 10:05:57.748 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lava Burst"
12/18 10:05:59.766 SWING_DAMAGE
This matches the swing timer free running, and the swing getting clipped.
first_swing + 2 * swing_time = 05:52.96 + 2 * 3.52 = 06:00.00
edit:
By the way. This brings up a disturbing possibility for timing spell casts with the swing timer for maximum dps.
12/18 10:47:10.275 SWING_DAMAGE 12/18 10:47:10.275 SWING_DAMAGE 12/18 10:47:10.345 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lava Burst",0x4 12/18 10:47:11.179 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF 12/18 10:47:12.247 SWING_DAMAGE 12/18 10:47:12.249 SWING_DAMAGE 12/18 10:47:12.249 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lava Burst" 12/18 10:47:12.789 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF 12/18 10:47:14.029 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Flurry",0x1,BUFF 12/18 10:47:14.029 SWING_DAMAGE 12/18 10:47:14.029 SWING_DAMAGE
Last edited by Tramana : 12/18/08 at 3:52 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tramana
This is interesting. I showed in an earlier post that lightning bolt needs to have at least one stack of Maelstrom Weapon to not reset the swing timer. Because you're reporting different behavior for Lava Bolt on Beta, I tested this out on live
Either Beta is behaving differently or perhaps you had MW proc when you were testing it out. Either that or one of our testing methods is invalid. I guess the next thing for me to do is test this in beta. |
Either way it is interesting that a spell that is unaffected by Maelstrom Weapon (Lava Burst) still doesn't reset the swingtimer. Could have some interesting potential for 2-hand PvP, although after last night's attempt at doing the Arenas I really don't care anymore if it does or doesn't since I don't think I will be spending much time PvPing anymore anyway.
Nope, I'm selecting it from the drop down list.
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I did what Tramana said it works.
Thanks
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I did what Tramana said it works.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by Golnar
I've tried putting in Elixir of Expertise, Elixir of Mighty Thought, Snapper Extreme, and Flask of Endless Rage. All say it couldn't be found for me.
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flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food spice_hot_talbuk
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
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Originally Posted by Zyla
Actually, it's even worse using the same 100% crit model as before.
I get 6181.5 dps for that weapon's dps and speed. Of course, it will be less than this because it lacks the dps stats as well. I think the bottom line on that one is that it's bad. Just completely bad. The amount you gain in flametongue does not make up for less from stormstrike and lash. edit: ran thru a comparison of the weapons using my stats, 100% crit rate and 0% miss/dodge/glancing, to assure full flurry uptime, and eliminate modeling "noise". Again, using the other stats of the stray. The Stray: 7048 Angry Dread: 7074 Sinister Revenge: 7097 Mythical 171.1 dps 2.6 speed fist: 7102 This type of test seems kind of stupid and inaccurate for other reasons, but I can't really articulate why or anything. |
I have been messing around with he sim for quite some time now, but I can never seem to get EP values that make any sense. While I understand that do to the nature of the sim I will never get the exact same results, I am still confused with some of the negative results that I have gotten for the various ratings. Here is my config file. I would really appreciate if someone could point out any mistakes that I made in setting up the sim.l
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 20 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.6 mh_crit 30.57 oh_crit 30.57 mh_hit 11.47 oh_hit 11.47 mh_expertise_rating 205.00 oh_expertise_rating 205.00 ap 3457 haste 4.61 armor_penetration 0.00 str 141 agi 831 int 458 spi 161 spellpower 1037 spell_crit 22.63 spell_hit 14.33 max_mana 10986 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 meteorite_whetstone trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem - set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 0/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Test it on the PTR, please, and see if it matches your live results.
Either way it is interesting that a spell that is unaffected by Maelstrom Weapon (Lava Burst) still doesn't reset the swingtimer. Could have some interesting potential for 2-hand PvP, although after last night's attempt at doing the Arenas I really don't care anymore if it does or doesn't since I don't think I will be spending much time PvPing anymore anyway. |
3.67 swing time 1.93 cast time I have 5/5 MW No Maelstrom weapon proc, cast timed to not clip. 12/18 22:31:35.859 SWING_DAMAGE 12/18 22:31:36.544 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lava Burst" 12/18 22:31:38.676 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lava Burst" 12/18 22:31:42.210 SWING_DAMAGE The timestamps match a reset of swing timer with no MW stacks 36.54 + 1.93 + 3.67 = 42.10
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Originally Posted by Kalahad
Have you Sim'd Webbed Death at all out of curiosity? It actually sims higher for me then any other weapon due to it's 1.4 speed. I am over the spell hit cap, so Sinister would probably sim slightly higher if I wasn't, but the numbers I came out with with my current gear showed Webbed Death 6 dps higher. Given equal stats/dps, the 1.4 sims for me about 60 dps higher then a 2.6 would.
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I had some similar thoughts with[Last Laugh] a little while back in this thread, I never bothered to actually sim it since it supposedly came out to lower dps. I'll do it when I get home, though. Just in my head I'd think a 1.6 @ 171.6dps would come out higher than a 2.5 @ 156.6dps -- very likely not higher than the Sinister Revenge due to noticeable stat loss though.
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Originally Posted by Perty
I had some similar thoughts with[Last Laugh] a little while back in this thread, I never bothered to actually sim it since it supposedly came out to lower dps. I'll do it when I get home, though. Just in my head I'd think a 1.6 @ 171.6dps would come out higher than a 2.5 @ 156.6dps -- very likely not higher than the Sinister Revenge due to noticeable stat loss though.
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Tukez - on the directions for the mac compiling of the source, please add that when creating the new project in Xcode, the project type should be Command Line Utility -> C++ Tool
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Originally Posted by Tramana
Every time I stop, and restart combat my weapons start out of phase. It seems like enhsim should do the same, or else it will overvalue matched weapon speed configurations.
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With matched main hand and off hand weapon speeds, if I enable my swing a couple seconds before I'm in range of the target they start in phase, If I start the swing when i'm in melee range of the target they start out of phase.
If I start with the weapons out of phase, steping back out of melee range for a couple seconds will line up the weapons back into phase.
Because of this, I've taken to using a macro as I approach the target
/startattack /cast earth shock
I wanted to bring back up the topic of Angry Dread vs. Sinister Revenge again mostly because of whether the mechanics for Berserking are accurate in the sim or not. If they mechanics are accurate, please ignore this post, but otherwise, Angry Dread should have a higher Berserking uptime on OH, correct?
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Originally Posted by Vesham
I wanted to bring back up the topic of Angry Dread vs. Sinister Revenge again mostly because of whether the mechanics for Berserking are accurate in the sim or not. If they mechanics are accurate, please ignore this post, but otherwise, Angry Dread should have a higher Berserking uptime on OH, correct?
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One thing I noted using the GUI today, I was playing around with what effects different meta gems would have and noted that on changing the meta gem I was getting almost identical figures - ie: within 1 dps each run. It then struck me that all the sim was doing was accounting for the "special" on the meta gem (eg: 3% crit damage bonus) and I was expected to change the crit rating myself. This is fair enough but not intuitive.
My issue was that for the entry Chaotic Skyflare Diamond I needed to adjust the crit rating however crit is entered as a percentage but of course all I had to go on was the rating so I had to look up Whitetooth's Combat Ratings at 80, convert the rating to a percentage and then manually adjust the rating percentage. Adjusting for Relentless Earthsiege Diamond was even worse as adding 21 Agi to the GUI in the sim makes ZERO difference to the dps, I thought I was seeing things so I added 100 and then 1000 Agi and got the same results (note I didn't have Blessing of Kings ticked). So I surmised that I had to manually adjust all the things that agi affects before I could re-run the sim, a huge amount of manual effort when the GUI could perhaps cope with that.
I fully understand why this is happening as the GUI is simply creating the text file and running the sim, I can cope with doing this as I know where to get the info, however for the average user this is way beyond what they would ever expect to be able to cope with. Perhaps a warning when changing meta gems that no change in base stat (eg: agility, crit rating etc) is taken into account, or better still a tick box (stats included or not included) and if not ticked then the sim could add the 21 Agi, 21 Crit rating etc. This way your average user could use the sim and not have to manually add a lot of changes at the same time they are experimenting with changing an item in a drop down list.
The same philosophy could be used with trinkets etc that grant fixed bonuses + specials ie: tick box to ask if the user has already included the base figures in the paper doll stats column.
NB. This change would be a huge benefit to the extreme min/maxer too as it saves a massive amount of time simply ticking a box rather than having to manually adjust lots of figures every time they change around a gem/trinket/etc before rerunning the sim. A typical intense user would want to run the sim dozens of times with dozens of different settings making small tweaks here and there. To have to do manual calculations at every stage is a huge extra time sync and makes small changes prone to user error, with forgetting to revert a change or typo having a potentially major impact.
How to intense users currently cope with this? Is there some easy method I'm overlooking?
My issue was that for the entry Chaotic Skyflare Diamond I needed to adjust the crit rating however crit is entered as a percentage but of course all I had to go on was the rating so I had to look up Whitetooth's Combat Ratings at 80, convert the rating to a percentage and then manually adjust the rating percentage. Adjusting for Relentless Earthsiege Diamond was even worse as adding 21 Agi to the GUI in the sim makes ZERO difference to the dps, I thought I was seeing things so I added 100 and then 1000 Agi and got the same results (note I didn't have Blessing of Kings ticked). So I surmised that I had to manually adjust all the things that agi affects before I could re-run the sim, a huge amount of manual effort when the GUI could perhaps cope with that.
I fully understand why this is happening as the GUI is simply creating the text file and running the sim, I can cope with doing this as I know where to get the info, however for the average user this is way beyond what they would ever expect to be able to cope with. Perhaps a warning when changing meta gems that no change in base stat (eg: agility, crit rating etc) is taken into account, or better still a tick box (stats included or not included) and if not ticked then the sim could add the 21 Agi, 21 Crit rating etc. This way your average user could use the sim and not have to manually add a lot of changes at the same time they are experimenting with changing an item in a drop down list.
The same philosophy could be used with trinkets etc that grant fixed bonuses + specials ie: tick box to ask if the user has already included the base figures in the paper doll stats column.
NB. This change would be a huge benefit to the extreme min/maxer too as it saves a massive amount of time simply ticking a box rather than having to manually adjust lots of figures every time they change around a gem/trinket/etc before rerunning the sim. A typical intense user would want to run the sim dozens of times with dozens of different settings making small tweaks here and there. To have to do manual calculations at every stage is a huge extra time sync and makes small changes prone to user error, with forgetting to revert a change or typo having a potentially major impact.
How to intense users currently cope with this? Is there some easy method I'm overlooking?
Last edited by Levva : 12/23/08 at 8:00 AM.
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Levva, i disagree about the metagem personally. It is fine as is and totally logical as it is bonus, not values that is chosen.
Speaking of 3.0.8, what proc rate are you going to give DW WF? That is assuming person has WF glyph of course.
Speaking of 3.0.8, what proc rate are you going to give DW WF? That is assuming person has WF glyph of course.
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Ignore this - reread Levva's post and already mentioned my point.
Last edited by Rounced : 12/23/08 at 11:15 AM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
How to intense users currently cope with this? Is there some easy method I'm overlooking?
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What would be really nice is a section that allows you to add misc stats that the sim or gui could add in automatically. The misc stats fields would allow you to add stats as they show up on item tooltips.
For example. If I want to try out different main hand weapons, I could take off my main hand, and enter in the paper doll stats I see in the old paper doll stats fields. Then enter the stats of the weapon I want to try in the misc stats fields and run the sim. For each weapon I want to try I just change the misc stats fields, and leave the paper doll alone. This would save a lot of time for min/maxers, and would also work (with a little bit of effort) for the meta gem problem described by Levva.
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Originally Posted by Tramana
I don't have an easy method. I'm doing all the error prone work of hand calculating %'s. Perhaps there is a character builder website that would give you the paper doll values for different gear/gem setups?
What would be really nice is a section that allows you to add misc stats that the sim or gui could add in automatically. The misc stats fields would allow you to add stats as they show up on item tooltips. For example. If I want to try out different main hand weapons, I could take off my main hand, and enter in the paper doll stats I see in the old paper doll stats fields. Then enter the stats of the weapon I want to try in the misc stats fields and run the sim. For each weapon I want to try I just change the misc stats fields, and leave the paper doll alone. This would save a lot of time for min/maxers, and would also work (with a little bit of effort) for the meta gem problem described by Levva. |
Hello all again.
I'm trying to calculate the EP values against lvl 82 mobs (for heroic instances gear templates) and i'm getting the following values:
The simulator is giving me an EP value of 3.36 for the intellect (or around this value in the various tests i did) and i don't know if this value is exact or not. What i did wrong?
This is my configuration file:
I'm trying to calculate the EP values against lvl 82 mobs (for heroic instances gear templates) and i'm getting the following values:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2218.29 ap 1.00 0.33 2284.20 65.91 crit rating 1.61 0.53 2234.17 15.88 hit rating 1.20 0.40 2230.19 11.90 expertise rating 2.15 0.71 2241.52 23.23 haste rating 0.82 0.27 2226.39 8.10 armor penetration rating 1.13 0.37 2229.43 11.14 spellpower 0.93 0.31 2264.08 45.79 mh dps 4.74 1.56 2230.02 11.73 oh dps 1.92 0.63 2223.04 4.75 strength 1.00 agility 1.48 intelligence 3.36 spirit 0.06 0.02 2221.39 3.10 mana 0.13 0.04 2229.40 11.11 mp5 3.12 1.03 2238.87 20.58
This is my configuration file:
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 SR miss 6.00 dodge 6.00 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 6.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 130.2 mh_crit 27.96 oh_crit 27.96 mh_hit 7.99 oh_hit 7.99 mh_expertise_rating 63 oh_expertise_rating 63 ap 3134 haste 3.69 armor_penetration 4.87 str 131 agi 748 int 466 spi 154 spellpower 1214 spell_crit 21.06 spell_hit 9.99 max_mana 11106 mp5 16 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon axe trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
Real simple, you are running OOM so mana pool size is the biggest determinant of how much dps you will do.
I know that isn't the case but that is the data you are feeding into the Sim.
You have it doing 6 minute combat cycles with SR set to the lowest priority which means it probably isn't actually being used at all since something else will be using your GCD and also since it can't even use SR in the first place unless you are under 700 mana which is something you set in the priority tab.
Change the combat cycles to 3 minutes since there are few if any heroic battles that last longer then that anyway.
Then change the priority list so that SR is first priority, which is fine since it won't be used unless you drop below 700 mana anyway.
or you can just uncheck the simulate mana option and go from there.
I know that isn't the case but that is the data you are feeding into the Sim.
You have it doing 6 minute combat cycles with SR set to the lowest priority which means it probably isn't actually being used at all since something else will be using your GCD and also since it can't even use SR in the first place unless you are under 700 mana which is something you set in the priority tab.
Change the combat cycles to 3 minutes since there are few if any heroic battles that last longer then that anyway.
Then change the priority list so that SR is first priority, which is fine since it won't be used unless you drop below 700 mana anyway.
or you can just uncheck the simulate mana option and go from there.
You are absolutely right.
I changed the values you suggested and now i'm getting the following values
Config file
I changed the values you suggested and now i'm getting the following values
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2351.01 ap 1.00 0.32 2415.64 64.63 crit rating 1.99 0.64 2370.26 19.25 hit rating 1.36 0.44 2364.15 13.14 expertise rating 2.49 0.80 2377.35 26.34 haste rating 1.05 0.34 2361.14 10.13 armor penetration rating 1.19 0.38 2362.50 11.49 spellpower 1.08 0.35 2403.46 52.45 mh dps 5.49 1.77 2364.31 13.30 oh dps 2.98 0.96 2358.24 7.23 strength 1.00 agility 1.55 intelligence 1.70 spirit 0.01 0.00 2351.62 0.61 mana 0.02 0.01 2352.96 1.95 mp5 0.65 0.21 2355.21 4.20
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS miss 6.00 dodge 6.00 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 6.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 130.2 mh_crit 27.96 oh_crit 27.96 mh_hit 7.99 oh_hit 7.99 mh_expertise_rating 63 oh_expertise_rating 63 ap 3134 haste 3.69 armor_penetration 4.87 str 131 agi 748 int 466 spi 154 spellpower 1214 spell_crit 21.06 spell_hit 9.99 max_mana 11106 mp5 16 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon axe trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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Originally Posted by Rounced
This was why I wish there was some way to link Rawr with the Sim so that the Rawr could be used to gather the paper doll stats to output to the Sim to determine the EP values that would be fed back into the Rawr to rank the individuals items and show the dps determined from the Sim run. Then you could change items based on those rankings and re-output it back into the Sim for another determination of overall dps or to even run another reranking of items based on the current paper doll stats showed on the Rawr interface.
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so I'll be climbing the walls without anything useful to do. You have just however saved my sanity by suggesting a useful project. I shall endeavour to write a Java (ie: platform independent) app that will take the output of a Rawr xml file and re-write it as the same format that ShockAndAwe exports which of course EnhSim already supports. This would then mean you run the app point it at your XML file and it would give you the stuff to paste into your EnhSim config file.
In four days, assuming I'm not being offered more food every 30 mins by my mother keen not to see me starve, I'd hope to have at least a version able to be tested.
BTW. Is the Rawr 2.1.4 Enhance module broken at present or even updated for 3.0.3 as I can find no way to change the Boss level from the fixed value of 70.
Edit: Hmm bugger. The Rawr save only saves item ids not any actual stats. It does however save talents. Conversely the "Copy to Clipboard" option does seem to give some useful values - very very messy. This would mean any program would need to read two different files one as a cut n paste one as a saved file. Not at all intuitive, it would be so much nicer if the people at Rawr could be persuaded to include the paper doll stats in the XML save file.
I'll have a bash at it as I need something to do but I'm not that hopeful now.
I've posted a Issue on the Rawr Issue Tracker - perhaps if people here who like the idea of enabling data swapping between EnhSim & Rawr could vote on the issue on the tracker it would bump it up the queue and perhaps get implemented soon. The issue is logged at Rawr - View Issue
Last edited by Levva : 12/24/08 at 9:46 AM.
I was playing around with the ele part of the sim and I discovered mana problems with my shit gear and looking at the output it displayed 0 mana gained from JoW. I found that strange because JoW gives mana on spells so this seems to be a flaw in the mana calculations, WTB fix.
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I discovered a prob and wondered if i was wrong or the sim just not have it set right:
I have been running the sim a lot lately to get my dps to the max and man did it do wonders and want to thank the creator!
To my prob:
I noticed that the enhsim doesnt recognize the hitcap for Draenei shamans at 341, i tried to see when it will throw the EP hit value is over the cap in the info box and it was much higher then the 341, i was wondering if this was a bug or something that will be fixed so that i can get correct EP values cause i am sitting at 375 hit (14.3%) and enhsim still giving me a 4.02 EP value which i would think it totally off cause i am 34 over the cap already! My Current 16/55/0 build
Edit: on my main rig it is working like it should be and states EP Hit goes past cap with spells... but its not showing that on my laptop.. wierd
I have been running the sim a lot lately to get my dps to the max and man did it do wonders and want to thank the creator!
To my prob:
I noticed that the enhsim doesnt recognize the hitcap for Draenei shamans at 341, i tried to see when it will throw the EP hit value is over the cap in the info box and it was much higher then the 341, i was wondering if this was a bug or something that will be fixed so that i can get correct EP values cause i am sitting at 375 hit (14.3%) and enhsim still giving me a 4.02 EP value which i would think it totally off cause i am 34 over the cap already! My Current 16/55/0 build
Edit: on my main rig it is working like it should be and states EP Hit goes past cap with spells... but its not showing that on my laptop.. wierd
Last edited by e30Birdy : 12/25/08 at 8:51 AM.
Equipping bandit's insignia seams to cause some wierd results:
config:
arcane_resistance not found from config.
shadow_resistance not found from config.
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MH:
miss 1161344 4.70%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6155059 24.92%
hit 4335824 17.56%
crit 13045649 52.82%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.62%
procs/swings 14.02%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 3768974 47.16%
crit 4222686 52.84%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1801963 47.38%
crit 2001642 52.62%
OH:
miss 1890996 4.71%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 10029373 24.97%
hit 7044691 17.54%
crit 21198160 52.78%
OH Windfury:
procs/hits 10.50%
procs/swings 10.10%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 4677281 47.18%
crit 5236107 52.82%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1796119 47.22%
crit 2007486 52.78%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3018556 57.19%
crit 2259848 42.81%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2410267 46.98%
crit 2720631 53.02%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3172244 57.16%
crit 2377187 42.84%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 6169497 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 50.88
flurry uptime 92.13%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 79.81%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 36.24%
oh enchant uptime 36.09%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 48.92%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.06 0.03%
mp5 34.23 18.79%
replenishment 35.22 19.33%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 29.47 16.17%
shamanistic rage 83.23 45.68%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2052.62 -0.13% 108.10
windfury 1162.61 -0.07% 14.92
stormstrike 298.32 -0.01% 6.34 34.93 18.54%
lava lash 107.65 0% 8.55 23.56 12.50%
searing totem 314.77 -0.01% 1.10 5.32 2.82%
earth shock 553.93 -0.03% 8.80 56.85 30.17%
lightning bolt 787.68 -0.04% 9.25 67.76 35.97%
lightning shield 285.79 -0.01% 1.40 0.00 0.00%
misc -1508103.36100.37% 1.26
DPS -1502540.00
MPS 188.42
MP2min 22609.98
MRPS 244.02
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 46.07s
simulation speed: 781487x
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 75 max_lag 125 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 12 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 2.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 6 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 1 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 2 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 800 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 200 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 ST rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 11000 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance shadow_resistance armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food dalaran_clam_chowder misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.60 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 171.6 mh_crit 34.16 oh_crit 34.16 mh_hit 17.28 oh_hit 17.28 mh_expertise_rating 216 oh_expertise_rating 216 ap 3526 haste 2.84 armor_penetration 2.4 str 178 agi 823 int 400 spi 161 spellpower 1058 spell_crit 23.82 spell_hit 14.1 max_mana 12000 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon axe oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 bandits_insignia totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 earth_shock glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 2/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
Edit: on my main rig it is working like it should be and states EP Hit goes past cap with spells... but its not showing that on my laptop.. wierd
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This may have been in one of the files. But does your program calculate the DPS including Searing Totem?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Maybe you don't have the same raid buffs selected on your laptop?
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Last edited by e30Birdy : 12/26/08 at 1:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
I zipped up the sim on my laptop and sent it over here using the same files as i was there!
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(btw the exclamation point makes you look like a trolling doosh)
yeah totally the same setting, i checked them side by side
i wanted to apologize for putting a exlamation mark at the end of my sentance but i am german and I'm happy that my grammer and spelling is correct that people can understand my post.
To get back to topic: can this be right? Here is the sim i ran with my gear using a Webbed Death in my OH, which until now has gotten me the highest DPS in Sim till i ran it with a The Stray in my OH.
Top one is Webbed Death (Speed 1.4) and bottom The Stray (Speed 2.6). Now to my question is The Stray getting more DPS since it is synced with my MH being Kel'thuzad's Reach also being a 2.6?
I double checked my stats and they are right and i ran the sim set to 20000h. Like i said above i have ran many weapons and the closest to Webbed Death has been Sinister's Revenge at 4501.
i wanted to apologize for putting a exlamation mark at the end of my sentance but i am german and I'm happy that my grammer and spelling is correct that people can understand my post.
To get back to topic: can this be right? Here is the sim i ran with my gear using a Webbed Death in my OH, which until now has gotten me the highest DPS in Sim till i ran it with a The Stray in my OH.
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MH:
miss 5062920 10.43%
dodge 847885 1.75%
glancing 12127771 24.99%
hit 8845763 18.23%
crit 21637599 44.59%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.21%
procs/swings 13.58%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 270159 1.76%
hit 8346136 54.49%
crit 6701501 43.75%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 137522 1.75%
hit 4303113 54.71%
crit 3424678 43.54%
OH:
miss 9492137 10.44%
dodge 1588850 1.75%
glancing 22716023 24.99%
hit 16562737 18.22%
crit 40544179 44.60%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 57649369 60.48%
crit 37664316 39.52%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 135394 1.75%
hit 4227587 54.71%
crit 3364810 43.54%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 5269792 60.46%
crit 3446972 39.54%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 141354 1.76%
hit 4372688 54.39%
crit 3525661 43.85%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 5213722 60.45%
crit 3411131 39.55%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 10125330 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 42.13
flurry uptime 83.57%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 68.73%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 34.65%
oh enchant uptime 25.57%
trinket1 uptime 20.87%
trinket2 uptime 18.50%
totem uptime 42.01%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 16.81 14.84%
replenishment 32.70 28.88%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 27.37 24.17%
shamanistic rage 36.34 32.10%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1421.96 31.58% 116.19
windfury 579.98 12.88% 6.38
flametongue 587.15 13.04% 79.43
stormstrike 218.97 4.86% 6.55 36.11 27.85%
lava lash 67.62 1.5% 6.70 13.70 10.57%
searing totem 318.05 7.06% 1.15 5.54 4.27%
earth shock 456.07 10.13% 7.26 30.67 23.65%
lightning bolt 614.90 13.65% 7.19 43.65 33.66%
lightning shield 238.68 5.3% 0.99 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4503.38
MPS 129.67
MP2min 15560.82
MRPS 127.92
Out of mana time 0.01%
elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 32.39s
simulation speed: 2223114x
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MH:
miss 5140451 10.25%
dodge 876173 1.75%
glancing 12529625 24.99%
hit 9288766 18.53%
crit 22293588 44.47%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.15%
procs/swings 13.54%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 277399 1.77%
hit 8578481 54.60%
crit 6855282 43.63%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 137859 1.75%
hit 4317411 54.82%
crit 3419762 43.43%
OH:
miss 5134071 10.24%
dodge 876948 1.75%
glancing 12510059 24.96%
hit 9298022 18.55%
crit 22309503 44.50%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 36453443 61.16%
crit 23150464 38.84%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 135220 1.75%
hit 4238861 54.79%
crit 3363092 43.47%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 5308928 61.19%
crit 3367673 38.81%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 140548 1.75%
hit 4377491 54.55%
crit 3506879 43.70%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 5636944 61.17%
crit 3578149 38.83%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 8307090 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 45.81
flurry uptime 92.68%
unleashed rage uptime 99.98%
elemental devastation uptime 69.13%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 34.92%
oh enchant uptime 30.82%
trinket1 uptime 20.52%
trinket2 uptime 17.66%
totem uptime 41.88%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 16.76 14.85%
replenishment 32.62 28.90%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 26.19 23.21%
shamanistic rage 37.29 33.04%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1453.21 32.25% 83.55
windfury 593.71 13.18% 6.55
flametongue 460.20 10.21% 49.67
stormstrike 256.41 5.69% 6.56 36.16 27.22%
lava lash 122.25 2.71% 6.69 13.67 10.29%
searing totem 317.02 7.04% 1.15 5.54 4.17%
earth shock 451.94 10.03% 7.23 30.69 23.11%
lightning bolt 654.53 14.53% 7.68 46.76 35.20%
lightning shield 196.12 4.35% 0.82 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4505.39
MPS 132.82
MP2min 15938.83
MRPS 131.99
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 27.68s
simulation speed: 2601532x
I double checked my stats and they are right and i ran the sim set to 20000h. Like i said above i have ran many weapons and the closest to Webbed Death has been Sinister's Revenge at 4501.
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
Top one is Webbed Death (Speed 1.4) and bottom The Stray (Speed 2.6). Now to my question is The Stray getting more DPS since it is synced with my MH being Kel'thuzad's Reach also being a 2.6?
I double checked my stats and they are right and i ran the sim set to 20000h. Like i said above i have ran many weapons and the closest to Webbed Death has been Sinister's Revenge at 4501. |
Yeah i know they were really close compared to others i tested for sure, but didnt think that a 143.5, 2.6 OH would be as high as it is compared to 2 other items with quite a bit more dps (WD 156.4 and SR being 171.1)
I was just wondering how this happens? If it has something to do with the weapons being synced or something? The Angry Dead is like 30-40 less atleast, and it goes downhill from there with The Hand of Nerub, and the Split Greathammer.
Just looking to learn a lil more about my class as i run these sims like a mad man.
I was just wondering how this happens? If it has something to do with the weapons being synced or something? The Angry Dead is like 30-40 less atleast, and it goes downhill from there with The Hand of Nerub, and the Split Greathammer.
Just looking to learn a lil more about my class as i run these sims like a mad man.
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
Yeah i know they were really close compared to others i tested for sure, but didnt think that a 143.5, 2.6 OH would be as high as it is compared to 2 other items with quite a bit more dps (WD 156.4 and SR being 171.1)
I was just wondering how this happens? If it has something to do with the weapons being synced or something? The Angry Dead is like 30-40 less atleast, and it goes downhill from there with The Hand of Nerub, and the Split Greathammer. Just looking to learn a lil more about my class as i run these sims like a mad man. |
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Okay see thats the answer i a was looking for because it gets to be a pain to find out you get a weapon and drop beserker on it and sim was just giving wrong values, i will see if i can find that thread and read that.
Thanks a lot Skiance
Thanks a lot Skiance
Last edited by e30Birdy : 12/26/08 at 4:21 PM.
I have a suggestion for the sim;
Would a "gem slot suggestion" option not be possible? have the config.txt ask for how many gem slots you have and what gems are currently in them, and then suggest any better gems for those slots, taking into account slot bonuses maybe?
thanks and keep up the good work love the sim
Would a "gem slot suggestion" option not be possible? have the config.txt ask for how many gem slots you have and what gems are currently in them, and then suggest any better gems for those slots, taking into account slot bonuses maybe?
thanks and keep up the good work love the sim
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I know engineering has long been dismissed as a min/max profession, so I'm not surprised nobody has mentioned the PTR changes to engineering but the Hyperspeed Accelerators are (potentially) getting a huge buff in 3.0.8 and at least a minor one. The patch notes themselves say increasing the duration from 8 seconds to 10 seconds, but in game the cooldown has also been reduced to one minute instead of two. Since it's not in the notes and the tooltip still says 2 mins it may very well be a mistake, but I have a feeling it's not. I even brought some maths to back that up.
10 sec duration w/ 2 min CD gives us 340 * 10 / 120 = 28.33 effective HR (~28 item points worth), which isn't better than hit or exp if not capped and may or may not be better than 44 AP if you are.
Take the LW wrist enchants for example, 114AP is 57 item points worth, obviously much better than the other wrist options.
If the current PTR changes stick though and the CD is reduced to one minute you're looking at 340 * 10 / 60 = 56.66 HR (~57 item points worth) which puts it on par with the LWing enchant item point wise and unless your hit EP is way overblown from being way below the cap, would become the best wrist enchant by far. Even if hit was rated at 4EP and haste at 1.5EP, the accelerators would still be marginally better. Since most other professions personal enchants are in the ~50-60 item point range, or 20-25 points over the comparable enchant, this puts engineering on equal ground with the other professions as far as its apparent intended value.
Add to that the fact that it's burst haste and the EP can be even higher. Still off GCD and does not trigger the mini trinket CD that prevents dual trinket usage, so you can trinket at the same time.
Would it be possible to get this added to the sim to evaluate how good (or bad) it possibly is.
Another (hopefully simple) sim request, could you have the simulator set the processing threads to below normal or idle priority so it doesn't bog down the PC any more than it has to.
10 sec duration w/ 2 min CD gives us 340 * 10 / 120 = 28.33 effective HR (~28 item points worth), which isn't better than hit or exp if not capped and may or may not be better than 44 AP if you are.
Take the LW wrist enchants for example, 114AP is 57 item points worth, obviously much better than the other wrist options.
If the current PTR changes stick though and the CD is reduced to one minute you're looking at 340 * 10 / 60 = 56.66 HR (~57 item points worth) which puts it on par with the LWing enchant item point wise and unless your hit EP is way overblown from being way below the cap, would become the best wrist enchant by far. Even if hit was rated at 4EP and haste at 1.5EP, the accelerators would still be marginally better. Since most other professions personal enchants are in the ~50-60 item point range, or 20-25 points over the comparable enchant, this puts engineering on equal ground with the other professions as far as its apparent intended value.
Add to that the fact that it's burst haste and the EP can be even higher. Still off GCD and does not trigger the mini trinket CD that prevents dual trinket usage, so you can trinket at the same time.
Would it be possible to get this added to the sim to evaluate how good (or bad) it possibly is.
Another (hopefully simple) sim request, could you have the simulator set the processing threads to below normal or idle priority so it doesn't bog down the PC any more than it has to.
Last edited by Dragon-CR : 12/28/08 at 2:40 AM.
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
Okay see thats the answer i a was looking for because it gets to be a pain to find out you get a weapon and drop beserker on it and sim was just giving wrong values, i will see if i can find that thread and read that.
Thanks a lot Skiance |
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Originally Posted by Zyla
Its this thread, posts by me, about 50 posts back or so? The sim is broken sightly because it wrongly gives you 4 flurry charges with matched speeds. This does not really happen.
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Originally Posted by Tramana
I've found that matched weapon speeds gives higher flurry uptime in game which matches what the sim does. You have to ensure that the weapons are synced however to see this higher uptime.
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/cast Earth Shock
/startattack
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
So best would be starting with a macro like this one below? i heard thats how people sync weapons, havent had any same speed weapons in forever.
/cast Earth Shock /startattack |
I seem to recall having read in the old old enha shaman thread that opening with stormstrike should do the trick as well? Because you hit with both weapons and autoattack resumes from there.
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Originally Posted by Bellante
I seem to recall having read in the old old enha shaman thread that opening with stormstrike should do the trick as well? Because you hit with both weapons and autoattack resumes from there.
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/cast stormstrike
/startattack
It makes it easy to auto-target on trash and you don't have to waste white hits and procs while you wait for SS to come off of cooldown.
Ye, use a /startattack macro for SS and LL both, so I can mash anything to start attacking. Point was just that you don't need to stand back and have autoattack going before approaching, say, Patchwerk. You just open with SS. Anyway, just wanted to have it confirmed that SS achieved the same result, as it is the approach I've been using.
I had a quick question. When I run Enhism it adds FS and LVB into the rotation. I'm curious how to take that out. This is what my rotation specifications are
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 6
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SS
rotation_priority3 ES
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 LS
rotation_priority6 SR
yet it still includes LVB and FS into my rotation, curious as how to get that to edit out.
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 6
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SS
rotation_priority3 ES
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 LS
rotation_priority6 SR
yet it still includes LVB and FS into my rotation, curious as how to get that to edit out.
Now i might understand wrong, but the rotation part determines what skills are used. I would recommend rising SR to first priority btw.
Error when trying to import data
I am trying to run enhsim from values exported by Shockandawe but when I load the file (I use wordpad to save the export data as a txt file and wordpad tells me that formatting will be lost as I am saving it as a txt file) I get this error message.
This is the data that I am trying to import
If I continue and run the EP values it tells me that some test were skipped and does not give me EP values for anything and the output file reports the follow.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Value of '0' is not valid for 'Value'. 'Value' should be between 'Minimum' and 'Maximum'.
Parameter name: Value
at System.Windows.Forms.NumericUpDown.set_Value(Decimal value)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.readConfigFile(SByte* filename)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.openFileDialog1_FileOk(Object sender, CancelEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.FileDialog.OnFileOk(CancelEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.FileDialog.HandleVistaFileOk(IFileDialog dialog)
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mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1434 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
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enhsimgui
Assembly Version: 1.0.3263.26181
Win32 Version:
CodeBase: file:///C:/Users/Miller/Desktop/EnhSim1.5.0/enhsimgui.exe
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msvcm90
Assembly Version: 9.0.21022.8
Win32 Version: 9.00.21022.8
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/WinSxS/x86_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.21022.8_none_bcb86ed6ac711f91/msvcm90.dll
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System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1434 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
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System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1434 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
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System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1434 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
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************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.
For example:
<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>
When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.
This is the data that I am trying to import
############################### ## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ## ############################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.80 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 111.8 mh_crit 21.86 oh_crit 21.86 mh_hit 4.30 oh_hit 4.30 mh_expertise_rating 0.00 oh_expertise_rating 0.00 ap 2706 haste 4.24 armor_penetration 1.43 str 125 agi 595 int 396 spi 145 spellpower 1085 spell_crit 16.37 spell_hit 5.38 max_mana 10056 mp5 100 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_enchant - oh_weapon - trinket1 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood trinket2 fezziks_pocketwatch totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - ## not currently available in the addon export metagem - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 lava_lash glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_major4 - ## slot empty glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 5/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 3/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
If I continue and run the EP values it tells me that some test were skipped and does not give me EP values for anything and the output file reports the follow.
ep_mp5 not found from config. ep_spirit not found from config. ep_mana not found from config. ep_dps not found from config. ep_spellpower not found from config. ep_armor_penetration_rating not found from config. ep_haste_rating not found from config. ep_expertise not found from config. ep_hit_rating not found from config. ep_crit_rating not found from config. ep_ap not found from config. threads not found from config. max_lag not found from config. min_lag not found from config. cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left not found from config. combat_length not found from config. wait_ss_with_wf_cd not found from config. simulation_time not found from config. report_count not found from config. Mh hit + EP range goes past cap by 528249% (1.73213e+007 hit rating). Oh hit + EP range goes past cap by 528249% (1.73213e+007 hit rating). Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 660322% (1.73216e+007 hit rating). Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 1.73218e+007 expertise (1.41996e+008 expertise rating). Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 1.73218e+007 expertise (1.41996e+008 expertise rating). Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 0 ap 0 0 0 0 crit rating 0 0 0 0 hit rating 0 0 0 0 expertise rating 0 0 0 0 haste rating 0 0 0 0 armor penetration rating 0 0 0 0 spellpower 0 0 0 0 mh dps 0 0 0 0 oh dps 0 0 0 0 strength 0 agility 0 intelligence* 0 spirit 0 0 0 0 mana 0 0 0 0 mp5 0 0 0 0 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=0, CritRating=0, HitRating=0, HasteRating=0, ExpertiseRating=0, ArmorPenetration=0, SpellDamage=0, MainHandDps=0, OffHandDps=0, Strength=0, Agility=0, Intellect=0, Spirit=0, Mana=0, Mp5=0 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=0&mh=0&dps=0&mp5=0&mcr=0&odps=0&spd=0&Agi=0&mhit=0&Int=0&Spi=0&map=0&arp=0&Exp=0 elapsed simulation time: 0h elapsed real time: 2127s simulation speed: 0x
The export part is only your character setup, upper part is still same as in normal config file. I am guessing your config file only has SAA export part?
You're missing 90% of the config file, the SAA export stuff isn't meant to replace the entire file, its just the last bit at the bottom of it.
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Originally Posted by Bellante
Ye, use a /startattack macro for SS and LL both, so I can mash anything to start attacking. Point was just that you don't need to stand back and have autoattack going before approaching, say, Patchwerk. You just open with SS. Anyway, just wanted to have it confirmed that SS achieved the same result, as it is the approach I've been using.
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Or you can test on a target dummy. Get into range of the target dummy and start with a SS. For me this is what I got when I tried:
1/1 14:09:23.526 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,17364,"Stormstrike",0x9 1/1 14:09:23.535 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1711,1710,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:23.570 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Stormstrike",0x1,1851,1850,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:23.570 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Stormstrike",0x1,990,989,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:24.794 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1053,1052,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:25.446 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1038,1037,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:26.653 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1036,1035,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
While keeping weapons in phase, dual Webbed Death with 2x Flametongue is simming far higher for me then any other combo (150-200 dps higher then any Calamity+WD/SR/Stray Combo). Anyone else getting this? I'm sure things will change once the WF glyph is changed, however. If every rogue in the guild didn't want to DW Webbed Death's as well I'd seriously consider trying it out.
I just recently updated from 1.4.3, which seemed to be giving me pretty reasonable numbers (numbers which seemed in the ballpark for what I would just guess) to 1.5.0 which seems to be giving me unreasonable numbers. I am not sure whether I am just working from bad assumptions and these numbers are right, or if I am doing something wrong. I will also point out that I am not entirely sure what the EP range settings should be when trying to determine EP values, so that may be my issue, I left them at default except expertise which I set to 1.
The numbers which seem unreasonable to me are expertise and haste. I would think just the increase in white damage would make haste more valuable than .17, and shouldn't expertise be negligible after cap? I also know that my hit is stupid right now, I have to re-gem since I picked up Grim Toll.
A simple "those numbers are fine you are an idiot" will suffice if that is the case, thanks.
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 1 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 ST rotation_priority7 SR miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food dalaran_clam_chowder misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 28.83 oh_crit 28.83 mh_hit 13.78 oh_hit 13.78 mh_expertise_rating 26 oh_expertise_rating 26 ap 3649 haste 5.34 armor_penetration 2.53 str 129 agi 822 int 437 spi 153 spellpower 1129 spell_crit 20.87 spell_hit 17.23 max_mana 10671 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 5.37364% (140.961 hit rating). Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated. Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4956.67 ap 1.00 0.55 5066.11 109.45 crit rating 2.13 1.17 4991.69 35.02 hit rating 1.80 0.99 4986.27 29.61 expertise rating 2.87 1.57 4969.53 12.87 haste rating 0.17 0.09 4959.48 2.81 armor penetration rating 1.33 0.73 4978.47 21.81 spellpower 1.13 0.62 5049.07 92.40 mh dps 6.19 3.39 4982.07 25.40 oh dps 2.26 1.24 4965.93 9.27 strength 1.10 agility 1.83 intelligence 1.59 spirit 0.02 0.01 4958.52 1.85 mana 0.01 0.00 4957.65 0.98 mp5 0.25 0.14 4959.39 2.73 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=2.13, HitRating=1.80, HasteRating=0.17, ExpertiseRating=2.87, ArmorPenetration=1.33, SpellDamage=1.13, MainHandDps=6.19, OffHandDps=2.26, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.83, Intellect=1.59, Spirit=0.02, Mana=0.01, Mp5=0.25 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=0.17&dps=6.19&mp5=0.25&mcr=2.13&odps=2.26&spd=1.13&Agi=1.83&mhit=1.80&Int=1.59&Spi=0.02&map=1.00&arp=1.33&Exp=2.87 elapsed simulation time: 14000.00h elapsed real time: 36.86s simulation speed: 1367372x
A simple "those numbers are fine you are an idiot" will suffice if that is the case, thanks.
Well number one, you aren't expertise capped.
26 rating is like 3 expertise.
Also, don't mess with the EP stuff at the top of the config file unless you know what you're doing. Since you said you don't, I suggest you change it back to what it was.
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mh_expertise_rating 26 oh_expertise_rating 26 |
Also, don't mess with the EP stuff at the top of the config file unless you know what you're doing. Since you said you don't, I suggest you change it back to what it was.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Well number one, you aren't expertise capped.
26 rating is like 3 expertise. Also, don't mess with the EP stuff at the top of the config file unless you know what you're doing. Since you said you don't, I suggest you change it back to what it was. |
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 5.37364% (140.961 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5233.06 ap 1.00 0.56 5345.35 112.30 crit rating 1.90 1.06 5265.00 31.94 hit rating 1.67 0.94 5261.23 28.18 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5233.06 haste rating -0.20 -0.11 5229.65 -3.41 armor penetration rating 1.47 0.82 5257.78 24.72 spellpower 1.13 0.63 5328.05 94.99 mh dps 5.35 3.00 5255.59 22.54 oh dps 2.62 1.47 5244.10 11.05 strength 1.10 agility 1.81 intelligence 1.53 spirit 0.01 0.01 5234.24 1.19 mana 0.01 0.00 5234.10 1.04 mp5 0.43 0.24 5237.93 4.87 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.90, HitRating=1.67, HasteRating=-0.20, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.47, SpellDamage=1.13, MainHandDps=5.35, OffHandDps=2.62, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.81, Intellect=1.53, Spirit=0.01, Mana=0.01, Mp5=0.43 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=-0.20&dps=5.35&mp5=0.43&mcr=1.90&odps=2.62&spd=1.13&Agi=1.81&mhit=1.67&Int=1.53&Spi=0.01&map=1.00&arp=1.47&Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 13000.00h elapsed real time: 36.02s simulation speed: 1299458x
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Couple things:
Post a dps run (i.e. non-ep value run); I think you'll see you're running OOM (more than 0.05% or so) judging from the non-negligible mp5 value, probably because of this:
Which should have SR on top instead of the bottom.
Also, you're only running 1000 hours of combat time (this should get things in the ballpark, however, so it doesn't explain the haste issue). The three likely explanations are: 1) you're in the <1.5s MH swing range which hurts WF damage, and you don't have enough haste EP difference to make up for it with white damage/MW procs, or 2) you're in the realm of some other interfering cooldowns involving MW with something else, and 3) the combat time simply isn't long enough, giving you deviations in dps larger than the difference from the additional haste.
Also, to tukez: does the sim account for the 4.8% (Retesting hit table assumptions) physical crit depression on bosses? (I'm not sure what it is on spells) I have noticed the seemingly unattainable dps numbers from this sim (with the input stats).
Post a dps run (i.e. non-ep value run); I think you'll see you're running OOM (more than 0.05% or so) judging from the non-negligible mp5 value, probably because of this:
rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 ST rotation_priority7 SR
Also, you're only running 1000 hours of combat time (this should get things in the ballpark, however, so it doesn't explain the haste issue). The three likely explanations are: 1) you're in the <1.5s MH swing range which hurts WF damage, and you don't have enough haste EP difference to make up for it with white damage/MW procs, or 2) you're in the realm of some other interfering cooldowns involving MW with something else, and 3) the combat time simply isn't long enough, giving you deviations in dps larger than the difference from the additional haste.
Also, to tukez: does the sim account for the 4.8% (Retesting hit table assumptions) physical crit depression on bosses? (I'm not sure what it is on spells) I have noticed the seemingly unattainable dps numbers from this sim (with the input stats).
Last edited by bobxii : 01/02/09 at 7:20 PM. Reason: added link
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MH:
miss 197435 8.15%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 604033 24.94%
hit 437876 18.08%
crit 1182126 48.82%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.21%
procs/swings 14.15%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 413046 51.49%
crit 389162 48.51%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 212350 51.47%
crit 200223 48.53%
OH:
miss 206512 8.19%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 626060 24.84%
hit 456636 18.12%
crit 1230904 48.84%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1867943 57.71%
crit 1368715 42.29%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 212512 51.51%
crit 200061 48.49%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 307761 57.82%
crit 224499 42.18%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 260550 51.04%
crit 249935 48.96%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 300525 57.80%
crit 219450 42.20%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 445058 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 47.27
flurry uptime 89.89%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 78.24%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 36.19%
oh enchant uptime 32.57%
trinket1 uptime 20.64%
trinket2 uptime 18.06%
totem uptime 49.34%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 34.49 24.94%
replenishment 32.47 23.47%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 26.09 18.86%
shamanistic rage 45.27 32.73%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1631.18 31.47% 82.36
windfury 681.48 13.15% 6.69
flametongue 529.02 10.21% 53.94
stormstrike 305.11 5.89% 6.88 37.89 25.45%
lava lash 166.51 3.21% 8.51 17.09 11.48%
searing totem 332.03 6.41% 1.02 4.92 3.31%
earth shock 577.55 11.14% 8.87 36.90 24.79%
lightning bolt 781.14 15.07% 8.67 52.07 34.98%
lightning shield 179.54 3.46% 0.82 0.00 0.00%
DPS 5183.54
MPS 148.87
MP2min 17863.83
MRPS 172.00
Out of mana time 0.05%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.72s
simulation speed: 1324503x
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Originally Posted by Protico
Ah yes, it used to ask for rating but want actual expertise, I see it actually wants rating now. Here is the corrected output, still with abnormal results. I only changed the expertise EP range because another post suggested that if you were capped you didn't want a high number there.
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Toots can explain it better then me but basically either get more haste or stay right where you currently are because at your current level haste really has no value as a stat. Get another percent or two and it will start to have a value again as you will be under that "cap" for the most part and you will be back to your normal Windfury PPM rate.
Rounced we may need to add those graphics that Toots made for the windfury-haste issue to the wiki. I'm not sure where that post went though...
I don't see why SR would need the highest priority. Placing it last on priority, with a "use SR with less than X mana" option set would mean that the sim would use abilities till everything was on CD and then pop SR once you were below the mana line and had every ability on CD and LS was still active. That's exactly how I do it in-game.
Besides, if you aren't running into any sort of mana issues in your raid (I haven't even been using SR during bosses anymore) then you may as well just turn mana simulation off just to save yourself the hassle of potential wonky output.
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Originally Posted by bobxii
Which should have SR on top instead of the bottom.
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Besides, if you aren't running into any sort of mana issues in your raid (I haven't even been using SR during bosses anymore) then you may as well just turn mana simulation off just to save yourself the hassle of potential wonky output.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Rounced we may need to add those graphics that Toots made for the windfury-haste issue to the wiki. I'm not sure where that post went though...
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e: nm http://elitistjerks.com/990992-post8.html it's in the TTT thread.
Although what is really missing is the chart that he listed that showed the specific amounts of haste that puts you into that zone. Maybe he would be willing to rewrite that for inclusion in the TTT since that would be the most useful and easiest to follow thing we could put there. Would be ideal if it showed Flurry + Windfury Totem and then showed the haste amount estimated with 1 goose enchant and with 2 goose enchants.
I'll try to find that other post though since that laid it all out simply enough that even I was able to follow it.
Last edited by Rouncer : 01/02/09 at 10:40 PM.
Thanks for linking that post, it is illuminating. It would be a good addition to TTT, I had seen that graph re: WF procs vs Weapon speed but the post makes sense of it.
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Ok, with essentially zero OOM time, the mp5 value thing was just a fluke.
You might actually try running it with negative haste EP values (ie. decreasing haste) to see if you're already in the "windfury chasm" (depends on if the main hand is running under or over 1.50s); you may do more dps with less haste (YAY). (However I added haste in every possible way and found that only with double goose up could you run under the 1.5s mark for the main hand outside of bloodlust.)
I found something interesting; working out the PPM of the MH and OH yields some wierd results:
Obviously this isn't right, since the MH is SLOWER than the OH! Even the vagaries of flurry mechanics (which with a ~90% uptime are much less significant) wouldn't account for this much deviation, and the miss %'s for each hand are nearly identical.
You might actually try running it with negative haste EP values (ie. decreasing haste) to see if you're already in the "windfury chasm" (depends on if the main hand is running under or over 1.50s); you may do more dps with less haste (YAY). (However I added haste in every possible way and found that only with double goose up could you run under the 1.5s mark for the main hand outside of bloodlust.)
I found something interesting; working out the PPM of the MH and OH yields some wierd results:
FT 53.94 PPM 8.51 lava lash 6.88 stormstrike 38.55 OH ppm 43.81 MH ppm 2.5 sec 2.6 sec
Last edited by bobxii : 01/03/09 at 12:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by bobxii
Obviously this isn't right, since the MH is SLOWER than the OH! Even the vagaries of flurry mechanics (which with a ~90% uptime are much less significant) wouldn't account for this much deviation, and the miss %'s for each hand are nearly identical. |
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Perfect enhancer gear?
Hi folks,
i put up the best gear combination i can think of (3.0.3) together and made some enhsim calculations.
As starting a new topic is restricted i thought this is the best forum to post it to as all calculations are based on enhsim.
This is the gear overview:
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x
The result using enhsim 1.5.0 is: 5413 DPS
Notes:
- Darkmoon Card Crusade is only slighly better then FotFF
- 40Hit Food
- No Set bonus has been chosen in enhsim. (is valorous earthshatter bonus available in enhsim?)
Used Enhsim Config can be downloaded here
i put up the best gear combination i can think of (3.0.3) together and made some enhsim calculations.
As starting a new topic is restricted i thought this is the best forum to post it to as all calculations are based on enhsim.
This is the gear overview:
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x
The result using enhsim 1.5.0 is: 5413 DPS
Notes:
- Darkmoon Card Crusade is only slighly better then FotFF
- 40Hit Food
- No Set bonus has been chosen in enhsim. (is valorous earthshatter bonus available in enhsim?)
Used Enhsim Config can be downloaded here
Last edited by Sprinter : 01/05/09 at 3:38 AM.
I was wondering if Tukez could add a ES_SS option to the priority list in the sim I'm intending to add this to the next version of ShockAndAwe. The idea being use ES if SS still on target. This allows a priority of : MW5_LB, ES_SS, SS, ES, LL
ie: give elevated ES priority if SS still on target but put it after SS if no SS debuff on target. A small tweak but I think a useful one. My plan is to try this out in ShockAndAwe so that it advises using ES before SS if there's still a SS debuff.
Thoughts?
ie: give elevated ES priority if SS still on target but put it after SS if no SS debuff on target. A small tweak but I think a useful one. My plan is to try this out in ShockAndAwe so that it advises using ES before SS if there's still a SS debuff.
Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Sprinter
Hi folks,
i put up the best gear combination i can think of (3.0.3) together and made some enhsim calculations. As starting a new topic is restricted i thought this is the best forum to post it to as all calculations are based on enhsim. The result using enhsim 1.5.0 is: 5413 DPS Notes: - Darkmoon Card Crusade is only slighly better then FotFF - 40Hit Food - No Set bonus has been chosen in enhsim. (is valorous earthshatter bonus available in enhsim?) |
I have Frosted Adroit Handguards + 4pc Valorous as BiS (if your Rogues let you have them). Hunter 4pc set bonus is pretty meh so they are probably much more interested in the Blue Aspect Helm then the Rogues are over the gloves.
Webbed Death is a superior option to Sinister Revenge for the offhand once you include 4pc Naxx. Hand of Nerub is actually about equal to Sinister Revenge once you have the 4pc bonus and is unlikely to be very contested (also looks amazing too).
Swap the Mirror for a Grim Toll.
With Frosted Adriot, Grim Toll and using Valorous Helm you can use Feast over the hit food.
Any specific reason why Webbed Death is superior to Sinister Revenge? I had assumed that a slower offhand would be superior but Sinister Revenge won out because of dps.
"Lightning Daggers" revisited?
So, I was playing around with EnhSim last night, and I decided to see what dual Webbed Deaths would look like with my gear (I currently mainhand Calamity's Grasp and offhand Webbed Death). The results were rather surprising: EnhSim shows an increase of ~390 DPS by switching from Calamity's Grasp with WF to Webbed Death with FT in my mainhand. Am I missing something, or does this seem accurate? Configs/outputs below...
Calamity's Grasp w/WF + Webbed Death w/FT ~5927 DPS
Config:
Output:
Webbed Death w/FT + Webbed Death w/FT ~6317 DPS
Config:
Output:
Calamity's Grasp w/WF + Webbed Death w/FT ~5927 DPS
Config:
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1000 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ST rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 SR rotation_priority7 LL miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 144/144 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food dalaran_clam_chowder misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.40 mh_dps 171.6 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 33.78 oh_crit 33.78 mh_hit 10.37 oh_hit 10.37 mh_expertise_rating 214.00 oh_expertise_rating 214.00 ap 3770 haste 3.60 armor_penetration 2.01 str 129 agi 853 int 457 spi 153 spellpower 1405 spell_crit 27.56 spell_hit 12.96 max_mana 10971 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 0/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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MH:
miss 1302079 10.63%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 3060674 24.98%
hit 1266509 10.34%
crit 6623148 54.06%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.42%
procs/swings 13.11%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1721051 45.99%
crit 2021099 54.01%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 933606 46.13%
crit 1090416 53.87%
OH:
miss 2427399 10.63%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 5706428 24.99%
hit 2361432 10.34%
crit 12339126 54.04%
OH Flametongue:
miss 10034 0.04%
hit 12827540 51.35%
crit 12145090 48.61%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 931308 46.01%
crit 1092714 53.99%
Earth Shock:
miss 1099 0.04%
hit 1402884 51.36%
crit 1327609 48.60%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1172208 45.94%
crit 1379448 54.06%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 996 0.04%
hit 1239502 51.36%
crit 1172923 48.60%
Lightning Shield:
miss 1151 0.04%
hit 2729717 99.96%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 43.55
flurry uptime 90.86%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 83.22%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 35.14%
oh enchant uptime 26.83%
trinket1 uptime 19.14%
trinket2 uptime 32.61%
totem uptime 67.47%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 34.72 26.48%
replenishment 33.68 25.69%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 28.05 21.39%
shamanistic rage 34.67 26.44%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1809.37 30.53% 116.96
windfury 668.01 11.27% 6.24
flametongue 756.65 12.77% 83.28
stormstrike 285.69 4.82% 6.75 37.17 26.51%
lava lash 106.26 1.79% 8.51 16.51 11.77%
searing totem 413.63 6.98% 1.06 5.10 3.63%
earth shock 676.45 11.41% 9.11 34.64 24.70%
lightning bolt 842.33 14.21% 8.04 46.83 33.39%
lightning shield 368.17 6.21% 1.01 0.00 0.00%
DPS 5926.57
MPS 140.24
MP2min 16829.15
MRPS 154.31
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 8.34s
simulation speed: 2157497x
Webbed Death w/FT + Webbed Death w/FT ~6317 DPS
Config:
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1000 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ST rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 SR rotation_priority7 LL miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 144/144 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food dalaran_clam_chowder misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 1.40 oh_speed 1.40 mh_dps 156.4 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 33.74 oh_crit 33.74 mh_hit 11.01 oh_hit 11.01 mh_expertise_rating 214.00 oh_expertise_rating 214.00 ap 3745 haste 2.87 armor_penetration 2.01 str 129 agi 860 int 457 spi 153 spellpower 1668 spell_crit 29.43 spell_hit 13.76 max_mana 10971 mp5 0 mh_imbue flametongue oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 0/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 1/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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MH:
miss 2286304 10.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 5712946 24.99%
hit 2523022 11.04%
crit 12335609 53.97%
MH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 11172840 49.48%
crit 11405912 50.52%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 925676 46.12%
crit 1081499 53.88%
OH:
miss 2274666 9.95%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 5696529 24.92%
hit 2521513 11.03%
crit 12365173 54.10%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 12474744 49.48%
crit 12738974 50.52%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 924098 46.04%
crit 1083077 53.96%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1396034 49.51%
crit 1423759 50.49%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1207381 46.02%
crit 1415947 53.98%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1036203 49.56%
crit 1054542 50.44%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3058434 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 37.14
flurry uptime 95.17%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 83.26%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 23.29%
oh enchant uptime 27.42%
trinket1 uptime 19.52%
trinket2 uptime 32.71%
totem uptime 66.91%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 0.00 0.00%
replenishment 0.00 0.00%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 100.00%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1780.29 28.18% 152.39
flametongue 1677.09 26.55% 159.31
stormstrike 175.64 2.78% 6.69 36.86 27.46%
lava lash 108.32 1.71% 8.74 17.01 12.68%
searing totem 486.76 7.71% 1.05 5.08 3.79%
earth shock 782.66 12.39% 9.40 34.88 25.99%
lightning bolt 841.74 13.32% 6.97 40.39 30.09%
lightning shield 464.66 7.36% 1.13 0.00 0.00%
DPS 6317.18
MPS 134.23
MP2min 16107.82
MRPS 30.92
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 8.44s
simulation speed: 2133459x
I wondered about that, can anyone corroborate the sim results? I mean the sim is good, and we all put a lot of stock in it, still nice to double check this sort of thing.
I'm doing a spreadsheet just now of the main choices for OH weapons with the aim of coming up with Sim dps figures for each weapon. At present Sinister Revenge is a clear winner. I'd be happier if someone could check the spreadsheet calcs though to confirm I've picked up every change. I've not finished so the results part requires further updating. The Sim Adjustments figures in the results is what I adjusted the base config by. I think I've caught everything but if this can be double checked please, and I'll adjust the results accordingly.
The base config file used was :
The results so far are :
BTW it strikes me this would be best taken to a separate thread to discuss OH weapons, as a topic I'm sure it will be the subject of ongoing debate, especially when patch 3.1 comes out. I am assuming of course that the sim is giving accurate results.
The base config file used was :
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food snapper_extreme misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.80 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 171.3 mh_crit 31.32 oh_crit 31.32 mh_hit 10 oh_hit 10 mh_expertise_rating 216 oh_expertise_rating 216 ap 3799 haste 6 armor_penetration 2 str 133 agi 942 int 523 spi 156 spellpower 1414 spell_crit 23.67 spell_hit 12.5 max_mana 11961 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
Name iLvl Type DPS Speed Agi Hit AP ArP Crit Haste Exp Anarchy 213 Dagger 156.4 1.8 29 28 86 25 Angry Dread 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 2.5 31 25 86 29 Murder 213 Dagger 156.7 1.5 25 21 86 21 Sinister Revenge 226 Dagger 171.1 1.8 36 37 98 24 Split Greathammer 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 1.6 43 66 29 21 The Hand of Nerub 213 Fist Weapon 156.6 1.6 33 21 86 29 Twilight Mist 213 Dagger 156.7 1.8 25 21 86 33 Webbed Death 213 Dagger 156.4 2.4 43 21 66 31 Differences from base stats of Sinister Revenge Name iLvl Type DPS Speed Agi Hit AP ArP Crit Haste Exp Anarchy 213 Dagger 156.4 1.8 -7 -9 -12 25 0 -24 0 Angry Dread 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 2.5 -5 -12 -12 0 29 -24 0 Murder 213 Dagger 156.7 1.5 -11 -16 -12 0 0 -3 0 Sinister Revenge 226 Dagger 171.1 1.8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Split Greathammer 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 1.6 7 -37 -32 0 29 -24 21 The Hand of Nerub 213 Fist Weapon 156.6 1.6 -3 -16 -12 0 29 -24 0 Twilight Mist 213 Dagger 156.7 1.8 -11 -16 -12 0 0 9 0 Webbed Death 213 Dagger 156.4 2.4 7 -16 -32 0 31 -24 0 Sim adjustments Hit Percentage Crit Percentage Name iLvl Type DPS Speed Agi Melee Spell AP ArP Melee Spell Haste Exp Spellpower Anarchy 213 Dagger 156.4 1.8 -7 -0.27 -0.34 -19 1.62 -0.08 0.00 -0.73 0 -6 Angry Dread 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 2.5 -5 -0.37 -0.46 -17 0.00 0.57 0.63 -0.73 0 -6 Murder 213 Dagger 156.7 1.5 -11 -0.49 -0.61 -23 0.00 -0.13 0.00 -0.09 0 -8 Sinister Revenge 226 Dagger 171.1 1.8 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0 Split Greathammer 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 1.6 7 -1.13 -1.41 -25 0.00 0.72 0.63 -0.73 21 -8 The Hand of Nerub 213 Fist Weapon 156.6 1.6 -3 -0.49 -0.61 -15 0.00 0.60 0.63 -0.73 0 -5 Twilight Mist 213 Dagger 156.7 1.8 -11 -0.49 -0.61 -23 0.00 -0.13 0.00 0.27 0 -8 Webbed Death 213 Dagger 156.4 2.4 7 -0.49 -0.61 -25 0.00 0.76 0.68 -0.73 0 -8 Sim Results Name iLvl Type DPS Speed Sim DPS Anarchy 213 Dagger 156.4 1.8 5437.03 Angry Dread 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 2.5 5396.01 Murder 213 Dagger 156.7 1.5 Sinister Revenge 226 Dagger 171.1 1.8 5492.33 Split Greathammer 213 One-Handed Mace 156.6 1.6 The Hand of Nerub 213 Fist Weapon 156.6 1.6 Twilight Mist 213 Dagger 156.7 1.8 Webbed Death 213 Dagger 156.4 2.4
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Originally Posted by Bargle
So, I was playing around with EnhSim last night, and I decided to see what dual Webbed Deaths would look like with my gear (I currently mainhand Calamity's Grasp and offhand Webbed Death). The results were rather surprising: EnhSim shows an increase of ~390 DPS by switching from Calamity's Grasp with WF to Webbed Death with FT in my mainhand. Am I missing something, or does this seem accurate? Configs/outputs below...
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You changed the stats to allow for the weapon difference but you then added the additional spellpower for the Flametongue imbues.
Click off ALL imbues and then copy the paper doll stats since the Sim will add the spellpower from Flametongue imbue when you select that option on the "Procs and Stuff" panel.
Fixing your Spellpower brings it to a 1131 with CG+WD and 1120 with WDx2 then running the exact same setting through the sim gives
CG+WD=5611
and
WDx2=5595
Which still makes it an issue since WD gets better as you add more haste. But since they are changing WF glyph next patch it will push the balance right back into WF's favor and move the issue off the table for now.
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Originally Posted by Levva
I'm doing a spreadsheet just now of the main choices for OH weapons with the aim of coming up with Sim dps figures for each weapon.
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You are adding in the spellpower from Flametongue imbue into your paperdoll stats.
I'm probably the only enhancement shaman with over 1400 spellpower atm and that's because KT is a bitch and won't give me my Calamities Grasp so I am stuck with using a Wrathstrike. Think about it, without a spellpower weapon or elemental gear you need 4667AP to get 1400 spellpower from Mental Quickness.
Zyla and I have been discussing offhands over the last few days and based on my sim runs with my stats (which aren't really ideal and favor a faster offhand more then normal due to the additional spellpower from the Wrathstrike as well as the fact that I run with Mongoosex2 so the haste also favors the faster offhand).
Webbed Death > Sinister Revenge = Hand of Nerub > Angry Dread
Last edited by Rouncer : 01/05/09 at 12:35 PM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I'm probably the only enhancement shaman with over 1400 spellpower atm
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(Just checked and I'm at 1336 on the armory with no buffs, so I don't think you're ~that~ much higher than everyone else considering I'm missing several BiS items.)
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Originally Posted by Malan
Unbuffed or buffed? I had over 1900 last night at some point when I glanced at it.
(Just checked and I'm at 1336 on the armory with no buffs, so I don't think you're ~that~ much higher than everyone else considering I'm missing several BiS items.) |
Completely unbuffed I have 1524 spellpower and with Flametongue on offhand I have 1798 spellpower (that's also with the wrong boots - I logged out on my heroic set which has boots with runspeed on them instead of my Sapp boots with Icewalker).
461 spellpower from that mainhand is a lot, true I would much rather have your mainhand but mine doesn't sim out too badly until KT wants to cooperate.
Last edited by Rouncer : 01/05/09 at 2:31 PM.
Levva: you have Webbed Death at 2.4 speed. It is 1.4.
edit: beaten
edit: beaten
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Webbed Death > Sinister Revenge = Hand of Nerub > Angry Dread
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Originally Posted by ncervantes
Can you link sim's that brought you to this conclusion?
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Those are an ordering based on my stats and inputting the weapons into the Sim. If you want to waste some time feel free to armory me, replace the boots with [Boots of the Great Construct] stick an accurate monarch in the slot and enchant them with Icewalker and run the Sim for yourself.
Offhands have a lot of issues with modeling for BiS since Lava Lash likes slow weapons and Flametongue likes them fast with lots of haste, so the results are really going to be very dependent on the rest of your stats and especially on whether or not you are using 4pc T7-Melee.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
nope.
Those are an ordering based on my stats and inputting the weapons into the Sim. If you want to waste some time feel free to armory me, replace the boots with [Boots of the Great Construct] stick an accurate monarch in the slot and enchant them with Icewalker and run the Sim for yourself. Offhands have a lot of issues with modeling for BiS since Lava Lash likes slow weapons and Flametongue likes them fast with lots of haste, so the results are really going to be very dependent on the rest of your stats and especially on whether or not you are using 4pc T7-Melee. |
Well I just played around with my characters stats and if my sim is correct I get the following.
Webbed Death > Sinister Revenge = Angry Dread > Hand of Nerub
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Originally Posted by ncervantes
Well I just played around with my characters stats and if my sim is correct I get the following.
Webbed Death > Sinister Revenge = Angry Dread > Hand of Nerub |
The value that should be in the Sim is 1083, since 1357 is including flametongue on the offhand.
From a cursory look at your Armory profile you actually should have Angry Dread much higher in that list since you aren't running with 4pc T7, so that's 5% less of the haste that Flametongue weapon benefits from but that Lava Lash derives no benefit from.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
My only question is, did you use 1083 as the spellpower value or 1357?
The value that should be in the Sim is 1083, since 1357 is including flametongue on the offhand. From a cursory look at your Armory profile you actually should have Angry Dread much higher in that list since you aren't running with 4pc T7, so that's 5% less of the haste that Flametongue weapon benefits from but that Lava Lash derives no benefit from. |
Angry Dread > Sinister Revenge >Webbed Death > Anarchy > Hand of Nerub
Another question, are you seeing Stonebreaker's totem siming higher than the totem of splintering?
Last edited by ncervantes : 01/05/09 at 5:53 PM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
The value that should be in the Sim is 1083, since 1357 is including flametongue on the offhand.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Windfury
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The reason FT/FT fast/fast is winning is simple: spells hit for full damage (plus spell damage buffs) and physical doesn't because it suffers reduction from boss armor. In other words, 100% of the stat increase from gear applies to spell damage, but only xyz% (armor reduction) applies to physical damage; spell will win out eventually.
Last edited by bobxii : 01/05/09 at 6:04 PM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
You added in the imbues.
You changed the stats to allow for the weapon difference but you then added the additional spellpower for the Flametongue imbues. Click off ALL imbues and then copy the paper doll stats since the Sim will add the spellpower from Flametongue imbue when you select that option on the "Procs and Stuff" panel. Fixing your Spellpower brings it to a 1131 with CG+WD and 1120 with WDx2 then running the exact same setting through the sim gives CG+WD=5611 and WDx2=5595 Which still makes it an issue since WD gets better as you add more haste. But since they are changing WF glyph next patch it will push the balance right back into WF's favor and move the issue off the table for now. |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Webbed Death > Sinister Revenge = Hand of Nerub > Angry Dread
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***Edit: The sim doesn't add the additional 2% spell crit from having a second glyphed flametongue imbue active. After manually adding 2% crit, dual WDs sims out at 5740 DPS, a 50 DPS increase over CG+WD.
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Originally Posted by ncervantes
I thought I had fixed that but obviously I didn't. You are correct. I just reran the sim (with Anarchy) and received the follow. Does that look better to you?
Angry Dread > Sinister Revenge >Webbed Death > Anarchy > Hand of Nerub |
What you are seeing is Lava Lash getting more use out of the slower speed of Angry Dread then Flametongue can get out of the faster swing time of the other weapons. When you get 4pc T7 it flips everything around, basically, and then Flametongue gets more from the faster swing timer then Lava Lash loses.
This is why a definitive list isn't really possible at this time. Unless they change Flametongue so that the coefficient scales with weapon speed there will always be this 3rd order interaction complicating the situation.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Pretty much, although I am a little surprised by Anarchy beating Hand of Nerub.
What you are seeing is Lava Lash getting more use out of the slower speed of Angry Dread then Flametongue can get out of the faster swing time of the other weapons. When you get 4pc T7 it flips everything around, basically, and then Flametongue gets more from the faster swing timer then Lava Lash loses. This is why a definitive list isn't really possible at this time. Unless they change Flametongue so that the coefficient scales with weapon speed there will always be this 3rd order interaction complicating the situation. |
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Originally Posted by Malan
Are you certain that the sim is adding flametongue spell power for you? Tukez has always said that you should report exactly what's on your character sheet, and that would include the bonus spell damage from flametongue. I'd expect that you're short changing yourself if you aren't using it in your spellpower total.
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Now compare the Earth Shock damage between the 3 samples and you will see the spellpower being added and then stacked with the Flametongue imbues.
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Originally Posted by bobxii
No, windfury doesn't count towards WHITE MH PPM.
The reason FT/FT fast/fast is winning is simple: spells hit for full damage (plus spell damage buffs) and physical doesn't because it suffers reduction from boss armor. In other words, 100% of the stat increase from gear applies to spell damage, but only xyz% (armor reduction) applies to physical damage; spell will win out eventually. |
Even so with the fastest decent weapon available (I'm not simming out a [Librarian's Paper Cutter] on general principles) it is just barely equaling windfury on the best available mainhand. Once the new glyph is available Windfury will blow Flametongue outta the water on the mainhand so the point will become moot for at least the next tier or two of gear.
As for "Windfury doesn't count towards the white MH ppm" maybe you should do your research better. Windfury hits count as instant attacks and can proc everything including Maelstrom Weapon charges.
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Originally Posted by ncervantes
That makes sense. I'll run this again if I ever decide to go with 4pc T7-Melee. Thanks again.
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Last edited by Rouncer : 01/05/09 at 6:34 PM.
| As for "Windfury doesn't count towards the white MH ppm" maybe you should do your research better. Windfury hits count as instant attacks and can proc everything including Maelstrom Weapon charges. |
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Originally Posted by bobxii
That is obvious, but it does not count as white PPM in the sim. That is what I was talking about, as is entirely obvious from the topic we were discussing. If it did, he would be looking at 100+ PPM.
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Could you be a little more clear on what you think you have found that is a flaw or an error in the sim?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Nah, when you select Flametongue imbue it adds the spellpower for you. Simple check, plug in your stats and then select WF/WF and run an hour. Then select WF/FT and run another hour, then select FT/FT and run one more hour.
Now compare the Earth Shock damage between the 3 samples and you will see the spellpower being added and then stacked with the Flametongue imbues. |
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Originally Posted by Malan
That flies contrary to how the sim works for everything else then and Tukez probably ought to clarify it somewhere.
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Not really, would you expect to copy your paperdoll stats with a flask and buffs active? The imbues are the same thing. Otherwise if you were to change weapons to Flametongue or to Windfury you would have to manually recalculate the spellpower changes each time.
I was thinking that we should start a new thread for the sole purpose of evaluating the results of OH weapons, this would keep the sim thread cleaner and give a reference point for OH weapon choices.
The default config file I started with was the one suggested a couple of posts before mine as an Enh Shammy with a "perfect" set. Sadly my own gear is not as good as that yet. I then modified it to include the Naxx 4 bonus as Rounced had pointed out. What I was hoping to do was a methodical test
1) start with a default base config file with an agreed set of stats
2) list the weapons and have an agreed variance about how much each stat in the sim config needs changed
3) run the sim with ONLY those agreed changes for each weapon
This should give decent base figures for each weapon for evaluation purposes. From that we can then look at the effects of subsiduary changes eg: using different glyphs for a fast vs a slow weapon.
As new weapons are added we can evaluate them on the same basis. Of course individuals may see different results as they will have lesser gear than the optimised base config. However if we use an agreed base config we have a methodology to work with to come up with solid numbers for theorycrafting.
I can confirm that ShockAndAwe when exporting should warn you if you still have weapon imbues active when you export, as I had assumed that you should copy the paper doll stats with NO buffs (other than Heroic Presence - Draenei buff you can't right click to get rid of).
The default config file I started with was the one suggested a couple of posts before mine as an Enh Shammy with a "perfect" set. Sadly my own gear is not as good as that yet. I then modified it to include the Naxx 4 bonus as Rounced had pointed out. What I was hoping to do was a methodical test
1) start with a default base config file with an agreed set of stats
2) list the weapons and have an agreed variance about how much each stat in the sim config needs changed
3) run the sim with ONLY those agreed changes for each weapon
This should give decent base figures for each weapon for evaluation purposes. From that we can then look at the effects of subsiduary changes eg: using different glyphs for a fast vs a slow weapon.
As new weapons are added we can evaluate them on the same basis. Of course individuals may see different results as they will have lesser gear than the optimised base config. However if we use an agreed base config we have a methodology to work with to come up with solid numbers for theorycrafting.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Not really, would you expect to copy your paperdoll stats with a flask and buffs active? The imbues are the same thing. Otherwise if you were to change weapons to Flametongue or to Windfury you would have to manually recalculate the spellpower changes each time.
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Originally Posted by Malan
That flies contrary to how the sim works for everything else then and Tukez probably ought to clarify it somewhere.
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else if (mh_weapon_enchant_ == "flametongue") {
enhsims_[i]->useEffect(enhsims_[i]->mh_flametongue_);
if (once) {
spellpower_ += FLAMETONGUE_BONUS_SPELLPOWER;
}
}
Seems pretty clear to me that the sim is automatically adding in the bonus from Flametongue, but I didn't step through the code running in a debugger so I can't be totally positive.
i hit more than 341 hit so i ran the sim to see how much hit is still worth.
my first Result was:
i was wondering if this is correct so i changed mit hit % in the config file from 11.xx % to 15% and ran the sim again. this is the result:
Did you guys get to the same result that hit is (after spell hit cap) still the the stat with the highest ep vlue?
my first Result was:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 3574.77 ap 1.00 0.36 3646.29 71.52 crit rating 2.25 0.80 3598.87 24.10 hit rating 3.45 1.23 3611.75 36.98 expertise rating 0.79 0.28 3584.02 9.25 haste rating 1.73 0.62 3593.30 18.53 armor penetration rating 1.46 0.52 3590.39 15.62
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 3657.32 ap 1.00 0.36 3730.13 72.82 crit rating 2.08 0.76 3680.05 22.73 hit rating 3.33 1.21 3693.68 36.36 expertise rating 0.76 0.28 3666.44 9.13 haste rating 1.71 0.62 3676.01 18.69
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Which still makes it an issue since WD gets better as you add more haste. But since they are changing WF glyph next patch it will push the balance right back into WF's favor and move the issue off the table for now.
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- WF cooldown scaling with melee haste.
- FT completely scaling with weapon speed, with a 10% spelldamage coefficient at a weapon speed of 2.5 seconds.
And I agree, we should have another thread for the OH topic. Actualy there are multiple topics rolled into this thread. I think, this thread should only concentrate on the usage and improvement of the tool, not on the discussion of its results.
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Originally Posted by Artoxia
Did you guys get to the same result that hit is (after spell hit cap) still the the stat with the highest ep vlue?
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Last edited by SentinelBorg : 01/06/09 at 11:01 AM.
There are quite a few subtle changes in patch 3.0.8 I noted for example a change on of Judgement of Wisdom changing from chance of 1% max mana to chance of 2% base mana, that is a nerf. We have 4396 base mana so JoW will now give fixed 88 mana per proc. This is equivalent to someone who had only 8800 mana a pathetically low figure. So we are going from around 110-120 JoW mana per proc to 88.
Ugh, OK well sorry if this post is a little sloppy, I just wrote out a novel and accidentally lost it as I went to preview the post before submitting it. I wanted to post this a day or two ago, but the delay between registering and posting delayed that. So I'm not really in high spirits to write it all out again.
Now then, on the topic of Webbed Death being the best offhand, a week or two ago I simulated a bunch of offhands myself, and came to the same conclusion. However, since then I've refined my process, and though I little out of the box and came up with something much more interesting.
As a prefix to these results. They were all calculated with the same gear, spec, gems, glyphs. Keep in mind that the glyphs I currently have are Windfury, Flametongue, and Stormstrike. I started by taking off my weapons and input my stats without them. I then went and adding the stats for the weapons in myself by hand. Yes, I remembered to calculates stats make and the effect of ap on spellpower.
Additionally, my gear isn't overly good. Up until this week I haven't really done any 25man content. I do however have pretty much everything you would want from 10man raiding. Unfortunately, as I did all the tests with the same setup up, some combination do fall below the spell hit cap. However, it doesn't really change the end result of what I'm trying to show. So bear with me.
I'll write some notes before each log, and summaries the results below if you don't care about the logs themselves.
Vanilla 'best'
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Angry Dread]/FT 4881.16dps
Next, the recent 'proposed best'. I realise I had stated earlier that Webbed Death came out ahead of Angry Dread, but that was using my gear from a week or two ago. Since then I had replaced a fair amount of hit rating, and I suspect that is the major difference. Luckily, this isn't really what I'm trying to prove anyways, so it doesn't much matter.
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Webbed Death]/FT 4860.64dps
Ok, here is where things get a bit interesting. I thought that if we were trying to maximize flametongue damage through weapon speed. Why not just go all out with it and see what happens?
Remember to keep in mind i'm still using the Windfury Glyph in this test even though it does me no good!
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Webbed Death]/FT 5032.07dps
Well then, we should probably check to see if it's just the torch that is giving us that huge boost.
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Angry Dread]/FT 4870.93dps
Finally, I had simulated what Rounced just joked about, I snickered when I came back today and saw he mentioned it....
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Librarian's Paper Cutter]FT 4954.04dps
So, what are the final results?
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Angry Dread]/FT 4881.16dps
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Webbed Death]/FT 4860.64dps
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Webbed Death]/FT 5032.07dps
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Angry Dread]/FT 4870.93dps
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Librarian's Paper Cutter]/FT 4954.04dps
Oh dear. A BoE blue the second best offhand? Well hold on now! If you noticed from the simulations I actually have almost a 1.6 miss rate with spells using the Librarian's Paper Cutter. With some poking around with my stats (hit rating mostly) you can actually get it's dps higher than Webbed Death. As my gear isn't that good, it is actually quite possible that it IS the best offhand for you!
However, this is just theorycrafting. How about some real numbers?
Initial testing with a target dummy seems to confirm my tests. Additionally, last night to finish off 10man Naxx I threw mongoose on a [Blade of Dormant Memories] to replace my normal [Kel'Thuzad's Reach], to use along side my [Pride]. There was a noticeable DPS increase. Especially on Loatheb where flametongue did nearly 40% of my total damage.
Now I could upload a WWS for you guys if you really want, however I'm not sure how much it would prove to you. I started the instance without maxed dagger weapon skill (about 370), and it didn't get maxed out until after all of Plague wing, and Anub/Grand Widow. Additionally, it was only Spider/Plague wings and KT, and as I don't have a good data set from a previous week to compare it to. Furthermore, I didn't use consumables, and for all you know I might do 5600dps on Loatheb and 3500dps on Grand Window with my 10man gear normally. So really, I urge other people who actually have better gear than I to actually try it yourself and post your data.
Now between losing the post, and having to delay posting this i've forgotten what else I had to say. So i'll just post it in a list as it comes to me:
-As Rounced said, next patch the Windfury Glyph is getting a make over. However, i'm not so sure it will make up for the dps gap. Remember, that if I were to respec, switch my Windfury Glyph to Lightning Shield, and regem/enchant the gap becomes much larger.
-Hit rating becomes more important with these weapons and setup with so much damage coming from flametongue. With Heroism I got my mainhand down to attacking at 0.86 speed. With my average crit on a Flametongue at 950, missing can add up fast and hit you pretty hard.
-Threat might become something you have to watch. When literally 80% of your damage is coming from magic sources, spirit weapons doesn't help that much.
Now then, on the topic of Webbed Death being the best offhand, a week or two ago I simulated a bunch of offhands myself, and came to the same conclusion. However, since then I've refined my process, and though I little out of the box and came up with something much more interesting.
As a prefix to these results. They were all calculated with the same gear, spec, gems, glyphs. Keep in mind that the glyphs I currently have are Windfury, Flametongue, and Stormstrike. I started by taking off my weapons and input my stats without them. I then went and adding the stats for the weapons in myself by hand. Yes, I remembered to calculates stats make and the effect of ap on spellpower.
Additionally, my gear isn't overly good. Up until this week I haven't really done any 25man content. I do however have pretty much everything you would want from 10man raiding. Unfortunately, as I did all the tests with the same setup up, some combination do fall below the spell hit cap. However, it doesn't really change the end result of what I'm trying to show. So bear with me.
I'll write some notes before each log, and summaries the results below if you don't care about the logs themselves.
Vanilla 'best'
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Angry Dread]/FT 4881.16dps
MH:
miss 6795090 11.09%
dodge 919525 1.50%
glancing 15320141 25.00%
hit 8261107 13.48%
crit 29991914 48.94%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.21%
procs/swings 13.53%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 287765 1.50%
hit 9638347 50.34%
crit 9219888 48.16%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 142224 1.50%
hit 4780729 50.37%
crit 4568173 48.13%
OH:
miss 7062433 11.08%
dodge 955548 1.50%
glancing 15940362 25.01%
hit 8576355 13.45%
crit 31207534 48.96%
OH Flametongue:
miss 611092 0.80%
hit 43406970 56.72%
crit 32511588 42.48%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 140458 1.50%
hit 4701739 50.29%
crit 4506705 48.21%
Earth Shock:
miss 102293 0.80%
hit 7260217 56.72%
crit 5436780 42.48%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 176701 1.50%
hit 5899806 50.11%
crit 5697149 48.39%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 96727 0.80%
hit 6887951 56.73%
crit 5157457 42.48%
Lightning Shield:
miss 82803 0.80%
hit 10301236 99.20%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 44.89
flurry uptime 89.52%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 76.76%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 34.55%
oh enchant uptime 30.68%
trinket1 uptime 20.53%
trinket2 uptime 18.03%
totem uptime 47.14%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 16.76 13.94%
replenishment 35.15 29.23%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 28.06 23.34%
shamanistic rage 40.27 33.49%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1551.53 31.79% 83.35
windfury 627.69 12.86% 6.38
flametongue 496.25 10.17% 51.02
stormstrike 267.92 5.49% 6.33 34.86 26.41%
lava lash 151.04 3.09% 7.85 15.74 11.92%
searing totem 298.37 6.11% 1.00 4.82 3.65%
earth shock 566.74 11.61% 8.53 30.51 23.11%
lightning bolt 743.16 15.23% 8.09 46.07 34.90%
lightning shield 178.47 3.66% 0.77 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4881.16
MPS 132.01
MP2min 15840.76
MRPS 139.02
Out of mana time 0.08%
elapsed simulation time: 25000.00h
elapsed real time: 90.47s
simulation speed: 994826x
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Webbed Death]/FT 4860.64dps
MH:
miss 6836320 11.22%
dodge 914908 1.50%
glancing 15229615 25.00%
hit 8224680 13.50%
crit 29715523 48.78%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.25%
procs/swings 13.54%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 286225 1.50%
hit 9625068 50.50%
crit 9149141 48.00%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 141822 1.50%
hit 4771435 50.48%
crit 4537990 48.01%
OH:
miss 12765703 11.21%
dodge 1706407 1.50%
glancing 28459387 25.00%
hit 15322060 13.46%
crit 55587652 48.83%
OH Flametongue:
miss 1106565 0.92%
hit 67899454 56.48%
crit 51217862 42.60%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 139120 1.49%
hit 4691158 50.39%
crit 4479147 48.11%
Earth Shock:
miss 118620 0.92%
hit 7269872 56.47%
crit 5485547 42.61%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 178190 1.50%
hit 5959049 50.23%
crit 5725428 48.26%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 105815 0.92%
hit 6496977 56.51%
crit 4894156 42.57%
Lightning Shield:
miss 116087 0.92%
hit 12565008 99.08%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 42.18
flurry uptime 87.33%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 75.99%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 34.43%
oh enchant uptime 25.95%
trinket1 uptime 20.87%
trinket2 uptime 18.81%
totem uptime 47.39%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 16.81 14.02%
replenishment 35.26 29.41%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 29.60 24.69%
shamanistic rage 38.21 31.88%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1540.71 31.7% 116.51
windfury 623.85 12.83% 6.35
flametongue 624.34 12.84% 80.15
stormstrike 229.30 4.72% 6.30 34.72 26.74%
lava lash 85.05 1.75% 7.91 15.94 12.28%
searing totem 292.26 6.01% 1.00 4.83 3.72%
earth shock 561.74 11.56% 8.58 30.71 23.66%
lightning bolt 689.63 14.19% 7.66 43.64 33.61%
lightning shield 213.76 4.4% 0.94 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4860.64
MPS 129.83
MP2min 15579.92
MRPS 134.09
Out of mana time 0.07%
elapsed simulation time: 25000.00h
elapsed real time: 103.22s
simulation speed: 871940x
Remember to keep in mind i'm still using the Windfury Glyph in this test even though it does me no good!
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Webbed Death]/FT 5032.07dps
MH:
miss 9884476 11.21%
dodge 1324895 1.50%
glancing 22030512 24.99%
hit 13160042 14.93%
crit 41743051 47.36%
MH Flametongue:
miss 793046 0.92%
hit 47378679 54.97%
crit 38019837 44.11%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 140705 1.50%
hit 4883475 51.96%
crit 4374482 46.54%
OH:
miss 12725280 11.21%
dodge 1703966 1.50%
glancing 28394010 25.00%
hit 16962031 14.94%
crit 53771349 47.35%
OH Flametongue:
miss 1106742 0.92%
hit 66117594 54.97%
crit 53056815 44.11%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 139763 1.51%
hit 4801561 51.86%
crit 4316633 46.63%
Earth Shock:
miss 119952 0.92%
hit 7165713 54.96%
crit 5752566 44.12%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 182666 1.50%
hit 6314589 51.68%
crit 5720978 46.82%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 92252 0.92%
hit 5518550 54.96%
crit 4430227 44.12%
Lightning Shield:
miss 119113 0.92%
hit 12869673 99.08%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 35.94
flurry uptime 84.69%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 75.57%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 23.35%
oh enchant uptime 26.01%
trinket1 uptime 20.91%
trinket2 uptime 18.83%
totem uptime 47.99%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 19.92 19.61%
replenishment 35.79 35.23%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 30.46 29.98%
shamanistic rage 15.42 15.18%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1367.91 27.18% 134.47
flametongue 1371.70 27.26% 137.65
stormstrike 151.90 3.02% 6.27 34.52 27.73%
lava lash 85.00 1.69% 8.15 16.45 13.21%
searing totem 376.65 7.49% 1.00 4.83 3.88%
earth shock 670.68 13.33% 8.69 30.66 24.63%
lightning bolt 745.07 14.81% 6.69 38.02 30.54%
lightning shield 263.15 5.23% 0.96 0.00 0.00%
DPS 5032.07
MPS 124.49
MP2min 14938.61
MRPS 103.91
Out of mana time 0.02%
elapsed simulation time: 25000.00h
elapsed real time: 107.27s
simulation speed: 839043x
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Angry Dread]/FT 4870.93dps
MH:
miss 9688635 11.09%
dodge 1311894 1.50%
glancing 21839892 25.00%
hit 13899140 15.91%
crit 40607093 46.49%
MH Flametongue:
miss 684424 0.80%
hit 46607854 54.42%
crit 38359852 44.79%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 142609 1.51%
hit 4980297 52.71%
crit 4325708 45.78%
OH:
miss 6943263 11.08%
dodge 938876 1.50%
glancing 15657857 25.00%
hit 9974172 15.92%
crit 29126094 46.50%
OH Flametongue:
miss 607611 0.80%
hit 41295767 54.41%
crit 33987362 44.78%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 139473 1.50%
hit 4905892 52.72%
crit 4260640 45.78%
Earth Shock:
miss 104031 0.80%
hit 7060311 54.43%
crit 5807978 44.77%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 181718 1.50%
hit 6379367 52.51%
crit 5586718 45.99%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 84999 0.80%
hit 5774986 54.41%
crit 4753464 44.79%
Lightning Shield:
miss 83910 0.79%
hit 10478827 99.21%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 38.20
flurry uptime 84.96%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 77.08%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 0.00%
oh enchant uptime 0.00%
trinket1 uptime 20.58%
trinket2 uptime 17.99%
totem uptime 47.79%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 19.87 18.03%
replenishment 35.64 32.34%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 28.98 26.30%
shamanistic rage 25.70 23.33%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1330.32 27.31% 99.99
flametongue 1168.94 24% 107.70
stormstrike 185.70 3.81% 6.30 34.71 27.56%
lava lash 148.62 3.05% 8.10 16.18 12.85%
searing totem 373.79 7.67% 1.00 4.83 3.83%
earth shock 666.29 13.68% 8.65 30.17 23.96%
lightning bolt 784.81 16.11% 7.08 40.05 31.80%
lightning shield 212.46 4.36% 0.78 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4870.93
MPS 125.93
MP2min 15112.03
MRPS 115.28
Out of mana time 0.04%
elapsed simulation time: 25000.00h
elapsed real time: 88.89s
simulation speed: 1012487x
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Librarian's Paper Cutter]FT 4954.04dps
MH:
miss 10545094 11.86%
dodge 1334601 1.50%
glancing 22236353 25.01%
hit 13286951 14.94%
crit 41511014 46.69%
MH Flametongue:
miss 1344626 1.56%
hit 46647025 54.05%
crit 38304212 44.39%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 141530 1.51%
hit 4940564 52.54%
crit 4320981 45.95%
OH:
miss 14618399 11.86%
dodge 1849576 1.50%
glancing 30820292 25.00%
hit 18413585 14.94%
crit 57566427 46.70%
OH Flametongue:
miss 1997180 1.56%
hit 69179274 54.05%
crit 56820110 44.39%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 138839 1.50%
hit 4867564 52.56%
crit 4255142 45.94%
Earth Shock:
miss 203503 1.56%
hit 7059111 54.06%
crit 5794236 44.38%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 183474 1.50%
hit 6413201 52.32%
crit 5660353 46.18%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 155371 1.56%
hit 5402450 54.08%
crit 4432323 44.37%
Lightning Shield:
miss 209452 1.56%
hit 13203640 98.44%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 35.74
flurry uptime 83.91%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 75.74%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 23.22%
oh enchant uptime 25.44%
trinket1 uptime 20.95%
trinket2 uptime 18.91%
totem uptime 47.84%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 19.93 19.76%
replenishment 35.76 35.45%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 30.42 30.15%
shamanistic rage 14.76 14.64%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1318.56 26.62% 141.45
flametongue 1387.12 28% 142.86
stormstrike 143.50 2.9% 6.27 34.54 27.80%
lava lash 73.84 1.49% 8.17 16.49 13.27%
searing totem 370.79 7.48% 1.00 4.83 3.89%
earth shock 663.36 13.39% 8.70 30.61 24.64%
lightning bolt 730.05 14.74% 6.66 37.79 30.41%
lightning shield 266.81 5.39% 0.99 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4954.04
MPS 124.25
MP2min 14910.54
MRPS 102.81
Out of mana time 0.02%
elapsed simulation time: 25000.00h
elapsed real time: 119.30s
simulation speed: 754425x
So, what are the final results?
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Angry Dread]/FT 4881.16dps
[Calamity's Grasp]/WF & [Webbed Death]/FT 4860.64dps
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Webbed Death]/FT 5032.07dps
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Angry Dread]/FT 4870.93dps
[Torch of Holy Fire]/FT & [Librarian's Paper Cutter]/FT 4954.04dps
Oh dear. A BoE blue the second best offhand? Well hold on now! If you noticed from the simulations I actually have almost a 1.6 miss rate with spells using the Librarian's Paper Cutter. With some poking around with my stats (hit rating mostly) you can actually get it's dps higher than Webbed Death. As my gear isn't that good, it is actually quite possible that it IS the best offhand for you!
However, this is just theorycrafting. How about some real numbers?
Initial testing with a target dummy seems to confirm my tests. Additionally, last night to finish off 10man Naxx I threw mongoose on a [Blade of Dormant Memories] to replace my normal [Kel'Thuzad's Reach], to use along side my [Pride]. There was a noticeable DPS increase. Especially on Loatheb where flametongue did nearly 40% of my total damage.
Now I could upload a WWS for you guys if you really want, however I'm not sure how much it would prove to you. I started the instance without maxed dagger weapon skill (about 370), and it didn't get maxed out until after all of Plague wing, and Anub/Grand Widow. Additionally, it was only Spider/Plague wings and KT, and as I don't have a good data set from a previous week to compare it to. Furthermore, I didn't use consumables, and for all you know I might do 5600dps on Loatheb and 3500dps on Grand Window with my 10man gear normally. So really, I urge other people who actually have better gear than I to actually try it yourself and post your data.
Now between losing the post, and having to delay posting this i've forgotten what else I had to say. So i'll just post it in a list as it comes to me:
-As Rounced said, next patch the Windfury Glyph is getting a make over. However, i'm not so sure it will make up for the dps gap. Remember, that if I were to respec, switch my Windfury Glyph to Lightning Shield, and regem/enchant the gap becomes much larger.
-Hit rating becomes more important with these weapons and setup with so much damage coming from flametongue. With Heroism I got my mainhand down to attacking at 0.86 speed. With my average crit on a Flametongue at 950, missing can add up fast and hit you pretty hard.
-Threat might become something you have to watch. When literally 80% of your damage is coming from magic sources, spirit weapons doesn't help that much.
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This question was answered in a earlier post.
Last edited by Gartixxar : 01/06/09 at 10:09 PM. Reason: question answered in earlier post
Struggling to get EnhSim to work
I'm having trouble getting EnhSim to work properly. Perhaps something in my config is wrong but I've scoured it for a couple hours and run it over and over and never break 1500dps in simulation. Here is my config log, as well as the corresponding sim results and EP value results. Ty for any help. Note I'm including the full config as perhaps something above my inputted stats is off.
Simulation output from said config file (using lv80, not ele):
EP values:
simulation_time 100000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 10 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 10850 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion runic_mana_potion food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 156.5 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 26.70 oh_crit 26.70 mh_hit 10.73 oh_hit 10.73 mh_expertise_rating 214 oh_expertise_rating 214 ap 3331 haste 5.03 armor_penetration 0.0 str 135 agi 801 int 434 spi 155 spellpower 999 spell_crit 18.98 spell_hit 13.42 max_mana 10626 mp5 90 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
MH:
miss 194896 13.37%
dodge 29250 2.01%
glancing 364663 25.01%
hit 274808 18.85%
crit 594163 40.76%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.78%
procs/swings 14.62%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 10528 2.01%
hit 303665 57.96%
crit 209709 40.03%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 6750 2.02%
hit 193046 57.82%
crit 134072 40.16%
OH:
miss 379174 13.34%
dodge 56818 2.00%
glancing 710540 24.99%
hit 537326 18.90%
crit 1159129 40.77%
OH Flametongue:
miss 104386 3.24%
hit 2282286 70.87%
crit 833743 25.89%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 6685 2.04%
hit 188720 57.69%
crit 131713 40.26%
Earth Shock:
miss 5217 3.20%
hit 115610 70.85%
crit 42359 25.96%
Flame Shock:
miss 11432 3.23%
hit 250259 70.74%
crit 92076 26.03%
dots 854769.00
Lava Burst:
miss 10781 3.26%
hit 0 0.00%
crit 319492 96.74%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 10077 2.00%
hit 291397 57.92%
crit 201590 40.07%
Lightning Shield:
miss 11774 3.29%
hit 345765 96.71%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 27.51
flurry uptime 81.66%
unleashed rage uptime 99.88%
elemental devastation uptime 90.98%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 26.61%
oh enchant uptime 21.91%
trinket1 uptime 30.99%
trinket2 uptime 38.66%
totem uptime 47.17%
set bonus uptime 95.01%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.82 1.09%
mp5 16.90 22.54%
replenishment 23.47 31.32%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 0.00%
shamanistic rage 33.76 45.05%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 332.47 22.81% 71.68
windfury 168.05 11.53% 4.37
flametongue 212.81 14.6% 53.67
stormstrike 73.09 5.02% 5.56 30.66 32.13%
lava lash 29.13 2% 8.38 15.95 16.72%
earth shock 83.08 5.7% 2.72 10.25 10.74%
flame shock 139.27 9.56% 5.90 2.56 2.68%
lava burst 347.05 23.81% 5.50 35.99 37.72%
lightning shield 72.53 4.98% 0.66 0.00 0.00%
DPS 1457.49
MPS 95.41
MP2min 11449.42
MRPS 75.41
Out of mana time 3.81%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 5.47s
simulation speed: 658375x
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 1457.94 ap 1.00 0.30 1517.42 59.48 crit rating 0.75 0.22 1464.64 6.70 hit rating 2.21 0.66 1477.63 19.70 expertise rating 1.28 0.38 1470.38 12.45 haste rating 0.94 0.28 1466.29 8.35 armor penetration rating 0.60 0.18 1463.28 5.34 spellpower 1.04 0.31 1504.34 46.40 mh dps 4.91 1.46 1468.89 10.95 oh dps 1.87 0.56 1462.12 4.18 strength 1.00 agility 1.27 intelligence 1.52 spirit 0.04 0.01 1459.75 1.81 mana 0.03 0.01 1460.17 2.23 mp5 1.21 0.36 1465.11 7.18
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Originally Posted by Shammando
lava burst 347.05 23.81% 5.50 35.99 37.72% |
Yes, it would appear that is definitely wrong, but Lava burst (LVB) is not in my rotation priority at all. I must be missing something, because I'm not sure why it's simulating that.
Edit: On that note, why is Flameshock in there too as more than ES, it shouldn't be in there at all either.
Edit: On that note, why is Flameshock in there too as more than ES, it shouldn't be in there at all either.
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Originally Posted by Paenor
Now I could upload a WWS for you guys if you really want, however I'm not sure how much it would prove to you. I started the instance without maxed dagger weapon skill (about 370), and it didn't get maxed out until after all of Plague wing, and Anub/Grand Widow. Additionally, it was only Spider/Plague wings and KT, and as I don't have a good data set from a previous week to compare it to. Furthermore, I didn't use consumables, and for all you know I might do 5600dps on Loatheb and 3500dps on Grand Window with my 10man gear normally. So really, I urge other people who actually have better gear than I to actually try it yourself and post your data.
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I also added [Thunder Capacitor] to enhsim so that it would be taken into account when getting my stat weights.
On a related note, I noticed that flametongue doesn't proc 100% of the time when using ft/ft it's more like 80% of the time. When I used different ranks of FT on each weapon the proc rate went back to 100%. Try testing this out on the target dummy yourself to see if you see the same thing.
Using recount to count, and a 1.8/1.4 ft/ft I hit the level 60 target dummy 100 times wiith my daggers. Flametongue Attack hit 80 times. When I switch to ft(rank 9)/ft(rank 10) I got 100 hits with my dagger and 100 hits with Flametongue. I'm pretty sure enhsim doesn't model this behavior.Since my ep weights push me towards spell power, haste, and crit more than the conventional gearing I wonder where I will end up when I have everything best in slot. I wonder how my best in slot gearing will compare to a more conventional best in slot gearing. This would be another case where a working rawr module for exporting to the sim would be invaluable.
Last edited by Tramana : 01/07/09 at 3:00 AM.
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Originally Posted by Tramana
On a related note, I noticed that flametongue doesn't proc 100% of the time when using ft/ft it's more like 80% of the time. When I used different ranks of FT on each weapon the proc rate went back to 100%. Try testing this out on the target dummy yourself to see if you see the same thing.
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I suspect the reason why you aren't getting as many on the target dummy is because you aren't spell capped without raid buffs. It's possible to have a melee hit, but the flametongue miss. You can easily see this if you lose your shadow priest (and/or moonkin) part way through a raid.
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Originally Posted by Paenor
I don't have this issue. Interestingly, looking back at my WWS I actually have quite a few more flametongue attacks than I do melee hits. This can be attributed to Stormstrike and Lava Lash.
I suspect the reason why you aren't getting as many on the target dummy is because you aren't spell capped without raid buffs. It's possible to have a melee hit, but the flametongue miss. You can easily see this if you lose your shadow priest (and/or moonkin) part way through a raid. |
The missing procs were not due to spell miss. Recount showed 0 misses for flametongue weapon, I was hitting a level 60 training dummy with 14% spell hit, and I saw different results when changing the rank of the main hand flametongue.
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Originally Posted by Tramana
It's interesting that you aren't seeing this.
The missing procs were not due to spell miss. Recount showed 0 misses for flametongue weapon, I was hitting a level 60 training dummy with 14% spell hit, and I saw different results when changing the rank of the main hand flametongue. |
Actually tonight I managed to grab a Webbed Death, so my combat dummy (and the WWS I referred to in my last post) tests were actually done with that.
Since that post I have done more testing on the dummies, and i'm get some strange results as well.
First and foremost. Make sure you are reading Recount correctly. It displays the current amount of swings, which includes dodges/misses/parries. So the number will be inflated by default. However, Recount is also giving me different numbers that looking directly at the combat log does. Nearly always for the worse.
Even keeping that in mind, most (but not all) of the tests that I did do have missing flametongue procs. Just by watching your scrolling damage text you can see it behaving strangely. Sometimes you will get 5 procs in a row after one hit, sometimes none.
Even stranger still, looking back at my combat logs from Naxx earlier today many fights not only did I have more flametongue hits than melee attacks, but I had many more than all physical hits combined. Additionally, I never once had less flametongue hits than melee. So it appears that it can actually work both ways.
At this point, i'm not sure what to say, other than I'm tired and I'll look into it more later. I need more raid data at this point to make a call. It's hard to say right now if it's some strange target dummy thing, or possibly a lag issue.
Since that post I have done more testing on the dummies, and i'm get some strange results as well.
First and foremost. Make sure you are reading Recount correctly. It displays the current amount of swings, which includes dodges/misses/parries. So the number will be inflated by default. However, Recount is also giving me different numbers that looking directly at the combat log does. Nearly always for the worse.
Even keeping that in mind, most (but not all) of the tests that I did do have missing flametongue procs. Just by watching your scrolling damage text you can see it behaving strangely. Sometimes you will get 5 procs in a row after one hit, sometimes none.
Even stranger still, looking back at my combat logs from Naxx earlier today many fights not only did I have more flametongue hits than melee attacks, but I had many more than all physical hits combined. Additionally, I never once had less flametongue hits than melee. So it appears that it can actually work both ways.
At this point, i'm not sure what to say, other than I'm tired and I'll look into it more later. I need more raid data at this point to make a call. It's hard to say right now if it's some strange target dummy thing, or possibly a lag issue.
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Originally Posted by SentinelBorg
Most probably there is a short cooldown on FT. Paenor used two weapons with a big difference in speed in his test (1.8/2.5), while you use weapons with a more closer speed (1.8/1.4).
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It would seem that using different ranks gets around the short FT cooldown. This is the way windfury behaved when they first introduced the cooldown if I remember correctly.
Building EnhSim is currently broken using GCC on linux. Lines starting with "enh::eout << enh::setw(26)" triggers an error:
I've noticed "enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<< (setw& p)" in enhsimoutput.cpp, but I don't really know C++ enough to correct it. I guess all << enh::setw() or enh::setprecision() fail, but GCC will only show the first error in the line.
enhsimconfig.cpp:337: error: no match for 'operator<<' in 'enh::eout << enh::setw(26)' enhsimoutput.h:37: note: candidates are: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(bool) enhsimoutput.h:38: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(short int) enhsimoutput.h:39: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(short unsigned int) enhsimoutput.h:40: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(int) enhsimoutput.h:41: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(unsigned int) enhsimoutput.h:42: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(long int) enhsimoutput.h:43: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(long unsigned int) enhsimoutput.h:44: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(float) enhsimoutput.h:45: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(double) enhsimoutput.h:46: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(long double) enhsimoutput.h:47: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(void*) enhsimoutput.h:49: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::string&) enhsimoutput.h:50: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const std::string&) enhsimoutput.h:51: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::streambuf*) enhsimoutput.h:52: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::ostream& (*)(std::ostream&)) enhsimoutput.h:53: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::ios& (*)(std::ios&)) enhsimoutput.h:54: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(std::ios_base& (*)(std::ios_base&)) enhsimoutput.h:56: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(enh::setprecision&) enhsimoutput.h:57: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(enh::setw&) enhsimoutput.h:59: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(char) enhsimoutput.h:60: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(signed char) enhsimoutput.h:61: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(unsigned char) enhsimoutput.h:62: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const char*) enhsimoutput.h:63: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const signed char*) enhsimoutput.h:64: note: enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<<(const unsigned char*)
Problems Running the GUI
Sorry if this problem seems amateurish, but I'm quite unversed in programming language and code. Here's my problem:
I download the latest enhsim rar file and unzip it and go to run enhsimgui and I get an error message that says
"Unable to Locate Component
This application has failed to start because MSCOREE.DLL was not found. Re-installing this application may fix this problem"
Maybe I'm missing something obvious here (that is what I'm hoping in posting this), but this tells me nothing of use. Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
I download the latest enhsim rar file and unzip it and go to run enhsimgui and I get an error message that says
"Unable to Locate Component
This application has failed to start because MSCOREE.DLL was not found. Re-installing this application may fix this problem"
Maybe I'm missing something obvious here (that is what I'm hoping in posting this), but this tells me nothing of use. Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
I was wondering what is the most efficient way to sim multiple items?
Are people using chardev.org, rawr or manually calculating stats to put into EnhSim?
Or am I missing something fundamental?
Are people using chardev.org, rawr or manually calculating stats to put into EnhSim?
Or am I missing something fundamental?
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Originally Posted by Caladiera
I was wondering what is the most efficient way to sim multiple items?
Are people using chardev.org, rawr or manually calculating stats to put into EnhSim? Or am I missing something fundamental? |
trinket1 40256 trinket2 40684
trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth
There are other annoyances, the Cut n' paste option in Rawr contains the base stats (STR, STA, AGI etc) but the XML doesn't. If we could convince the Rawr people to include that in the XML then it would be simply a case of use Rawr, save your char and import XML into sim using my Java app.
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Originally Posted by jonnaei
"Unable to Locate Component
This application has failed to start because MSCOREE.DLL was not found. Re-installing this application may fix this problem" Maybe I'm missing something obvious here (that is what I'm hoping in posting this), but this tells me nothing of use. Does anyone have any suggestions on this? |
About the crit reduction. I glanced trough the threads, but I couldn't find any conclusive results. To make sure I do it right, I would like the info on the following. (My assumptions are in parenthesis)
- white hit system? 1roll / 2roll? (1roll)
- white crit reduction? (4.8%)
- yellow hit system? (2roll)
- yellow crit reduction? (0%??)
- spell hit system? (2roll)
- spell crit reduction? (3%??)
And melee miss chance is 8%/27% based on this thread Is melee hit cap really 9%? .
Raut, next version source should compile fine with the guide from the home page. I also included boost library in the source so it is no longer necessary to setup boost separately. I ripped uneccessary files out to make it smaller in size, so I'm not exactly sure does it work with other platforms other than Windows. I might have ripped off necessary files on other platforms..will see that when I release the next version.
Levva, good idea with the item IDs. I'll implement it when I have time.
White should be 1 roll, yellow should be 2 roll as you have assumed.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Levva, good idea with the item IDs. I'll implement it when I have time.
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I therefore changed ShockAndAwe defaults to MW5_LB, ES_SS, SS, ES, LL.
So atm the sim overrates ft/ft? (Due to giving 1:1 procs/hit on both hands or by assuming top rank on both hands)
I seem to be having a problem with my ep calculations in the enhsim. Im using the lvl80 config file, but when I run it at home i am getting messages saying im over the hit and expertise cap by some amount, but im clearly not expertise capped or hit capped yet.
Does anyone know if Ive configured something wrong? Here is my config file for reference.
Does anyone know if Ive configured something wrong? Here is my config file for reference.
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 ST miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk misc_item drums_of_battle race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 143.6 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 24.40 oh_crit 24.40 mh_hit 9.24 oh_hit 9.24 mh_expertise_rating 196 oh_expertise_rating 196 ap 3173 haste 4.88 armor_penetration 0 str 133 agi 616 int 473 spi 153 spellpower 951 spell_crit 19.12 spell_hit 11.55 max_mana 11211 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 - trinket2 fury_of_the_five_flights totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lava_lash glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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You have your Expertise EP range at 4, that converts into 32.78998947 expertise rating, taking you well over the cap. Try chaning the EP range to something smaller, like 1.
Edit: Also, why are you using old TBC consumables?
Edit2: I noticed your Spellpower is below 1k, have I been doing things wrong and inputting my spellpower with Flametongue imbued? If yes, I might have just screwed up all my sims
Edit: Also, why are you using old TBC consumables?
Edit2: I noticed your Spellpower is below 1k, have I been doing things wrong and inputting my spellpower with Flametongue imbued? If yes, I might have just screwed up all my sims
Last edited by wiggie : 01/08/09 at 1:10 PM.
Ah thats because I had to reproduce my config file since im at work and I didnt notice the consumables. And I didnt use the spellpower added from FT because of the sim asking you for the imbue, and I didnt want it added twice. But I may be wrong about that.
I thought I read a post in this thread about that issue.
I thought I read a post in this thread about that issue.
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Originally Posted by wiggie
You have your Expertise EP range at 4, that converts into 32.78998947 expertise rating, taking you well over the cap. Try chaning the EP range to something smaller, like 1.
Edit: Also, why are you using old TBC consumables? Edit2: I noticed your Spellpower is below 1k, have I been doing things wrong and inputting my spellpower with Flametongue imbued? If yes, I might have just screwed up all my sims |
You should be running the sim with your paperdoll stats with no imbues active and no buffs whatsoever.
Who cares what kinds of consumables he is using? I have a bunch of relentless flasks that I break out for raiding sometimes and run sims with occassionally. What does it matter?
Finally, if you aren't sure about how the Sim functions in the first place, why are you trying to answer other people's concerns?
Last edited by Rouncer : 01/08/09 at 2:44 PM.
I actually realised on the way home from work that using negatives would probably be a better idea, I hadn't gone through the config file thoroughly enough.
I had been using 1 as the Expertise EP range because upon skimming through this thread, I noticed other people using it. The config file does after all say "Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time", I just didn't know how low was "low". Sorry Gadoh.
I had been using 1 as the Expertise EP range because upon skimming through this thread, I noticed other people using it. The config file does after all say "Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time", I just didn't know how low was "low". Sorry Gadoh.
Ok, I can't for the life of me get the sim to work. I feel really stupid for not see what is probably a obvious error on my part, but I've never been good with computer programs. When I've open the enhsim.exe it just comes back to me with: 'No config file specified. Pass the config file as parameter to this program'.
I'm sorry for the stupid question, but i really want to better myself and have back up for when the rogues complain about my dkp spending.
I'm sorry for the stupid question, but i really want to better myself and have back up for when the rogues complain about my dkp spending.
If you are using windows use enhsimgui.exe other wise you need to run enhsim.exe through a command line interface and specify the config file that contains your settings (something like enhsim.exe myconfigfile.txt). Visit the enhsim website for more info about running enhsim through command line.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Building EnhSim is currently broken using GCC on linux.
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Long story short, here's the diff for the patch:
diff -drc source/effects.cpp source_patched/effects.cpp
*** source/effects.cpp 2008-12-04 04:58:21.000000000 -0800
--- source_patched/effects.cpp 2008-12-31 13:53:51.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 9,15 ****
void SimulationProgress::event(const int& event_id) {
++reported_count_;
! enh::eout << ".";
sim.addLowPrioEvent(interval_, this);
}
--- 9,15 ----
void SimulationProgress::event(const int& event_id) {
++reported_count_;
! std::cout << ".";
sim.addLowPrioEvent(interval_, this);
}
diff -drc source/enhsimconfig.cpp source_patched/enhsimconfig.cpp
*** source/enhsimconfig.cpp 2008-12-08 11:09:25.000000000 -0800
--- source_patched/enhsimconfig.cpp 2008-12-31 13:53:51.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 249,255 ****
}
skip = false;
std::getline(msg, message);
! enh::eout << message << std::endl;
}
}
--- 249,255 ----
}
skip = false;
std::getline(msg, message);
! std::cout << message << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 333,371 ****
bool valuemissing = false;
std::string vmissing = "";
! enh::eout << "\n\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "EP" << enh::setw(10) << "value" << enh::setw(10) << "DPS" << enh::setw(15) << "total DPS" << "difference\n\n" << std::fixed << enh::setprecision(ep_precision_);
! enh::eout << enh::setw(46) << "baseline" << statsv_[0].getTotalDamage() / (hours_ * 3600) << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "ap" << enh::setw(10) << ep_ap << enh::setw(10) << ap_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[1].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[1].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "crit rating" << enh::setw(10) << ep_crit << enh::setw(10) << critp_dps + crits_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[2].getTotalDPS() + statsv_[3].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[2].getTotalDPS() + statsv_[3].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() * 2 << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "hit rating" << enh::setw(10) << ep_hit << enh::setw(10) << hit_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[4].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[4].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "expertise rating" << enh::setw(10) << ep_expertise << enh::setw(10) << expertise_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[5].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[5].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "haste rating" << enh::setw(10) << ep_haste << enh::setw(10) << haste_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[6].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[6].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "armor penetration rating" << enh::setw(10) << ep_armorp << enh::setw(10) << armor_ignore_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[7].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[7].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "spellpower" << enh::setw(10) << ep_spellpower << enh::setw(10) << spellpower_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[8].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[8].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "mh dps" << enh::setw(10) << ep_mhdps << enh::setw(10) << mh_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[9].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[9].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "oh dps" << enh::setw(10) << ep_ohdps << enh::setw(10) << oh_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[10].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[10].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
vmissing = ""; if (ep_ap_ == 0) { vmissing = "*"; valuemissing = true; }
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "strength" + vmissing << enh::setw(10) << ep_strength << std::endl;
vmissing = ""; if (ep_ap_ == 0 || ep_crit_rating_ == 0) { vmissing = "*"; valuemissing = true; }
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "agility" + vmissing << enh::setw(10) << ep_agility << std::endl;
vmissing = ""; if (ep_ap_ == 0 || ep_crit_rating_ == 0 || ep_spirit_ == 0 || ep_mp5_ == 0 || ep_mana_ == 0) { vmissing = "*"; valuemissing = true; }
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "intelligence" + vmissing << enh::setw(10) << ep_intelligence << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "spirit" << enh::setw(10) << ep_spirit << enh::setw(10) << spirit_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[12].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[12].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "mana" << enh::setw(10) << ep_mana << enh::setw(10) << mana_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[11].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[11].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(26) << std::left << "mp5" << enh::setw(10) << ep_mp5 << enh::setw(10) << mp5_dps << enh::setw(15) << statsv_[13].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[13].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
if (valuemissing) {
! enh::eout << "\n* part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests.";
}
! enh::eout << std::endl;
std::ifstream is("enhsim_ep_exports.txt");
std::vector<std::string> lines;
if (is.fail()) {
! enh::eout << "Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt";
}
else {
--- 333,371 ----
bool valuemissing = false;
std::string vmissing = "";
! std::cout << "\n\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "EP" << std::setw(10) << "value" << std::setw(10) << "DPS" << std::setw(15) << "total DPS" << "difference\n\n" << std::fixed << std::setprecision(ep_precision_);
! std::cout << std::setw(46) << "baseline" << statsv_[0].getTotalDamage() / (hours_ * 3600) << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "ap" << std::setw(10) << ep_ap << std::setw(10) << ap_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[1].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[1].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "crit rating" << std::setw(10) << ep_crit << std::setw(10) << critp_dps + crits_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[2].getTotalDPS() + statsv_[3].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[2].getTotalDPS() + statsv_[3].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() * 2 << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "hit rating" << std::setw(10) << ep_hit << std::setw(10) << hit_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[4].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[4].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "expertise rating" << std::setw(10) << ep_expertise << std::setw(10) << expertise_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[5].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[5].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "haste rating" << std::setw(10) << ep_haste << std::setw(10) << haste_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[6].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[6].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "armor penetration rating" << std::setw(10) << ep_armorp << std::setw(10) << armor_ignore_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[7].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[7].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "spellpower" << std::setw(10) << ep_spellpower << std::setw(10) << spellpower_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[8].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[8].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "mh dps" << std::setw(10) << ep_mhdps << std::setw(10) << mh_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[9].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[9].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "oh dps" << std::setw(10) << ep_ohdps << std::setw(10) << oh_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[10].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[10].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
vmissing = ""; if (ep_ap_ == 0) { vmissing = "*"; valuemissing = true; }
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "strength" + vmissing << std::setw(10) << ep_strength << std::endl;
vmissing = ""; if (ep_ap_ == 0 || ep_crit_rating_ == 0) { vmissing = "*"; valuemissing = true; }
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "agility" + vmissing << std::setw(10) << ep_agility << std::endl;
vmissing = ""; if (ep_ap_ == 0 || ep_crit_rating_ == 0 || ep_spirit_ == 0 || ep_mp5_ == 0 || ep_mana_ == 0) { vmissing = "*"; valuemissing = true; }
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "intelligence" + vmissing << std::setw(10) << ep_intelligence << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "spirit" << std::setw(10) << ep_spirit << std::setw(10) << spirit_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[12].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[12].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "mana" << std::setw(10) << ep_mana << std::setw(10) << mana_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[11].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[11].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(26) << std::left << "mp5" << std::setw(10) << ep_mp5 << std::setw(10) << mp5_dps << std::setw(15) << statsv_[13].getTotalDPS() << statsv_[13].getTotalDPS() - statsv_[0].getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
if (valuemissing) {
! std::cout << "\n* part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests.";
}
! std::cout << std::endl;
std::ifstream is("enhsim_ep_exports.txt");
std::vector<std::string> lines;
if (is.fail()) {
! std::cout << "Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt";
}
else {
***************
*** 402,411 ****
searchAndReplace(lines[i], "$mana", doubleToString(ep_mana, ep_precision_));
searchAndReplace(lines[i], "$mp5", doubleToString(ep_mp5, ep_precision_));
! enh::eout << lines[i] << std::endl;
}
! enh::eout << std::endl;
}
EnhSimConfig::EnhSimConfig()
--- 402,411 ----
searchAndReplace(lines[i], "$mana", doubleToString(ep_mana, ep_precision_));
searchAndReplace(lines[i], "$mp5", doubleToString(ep_mp5, ep_precision_));
! std::cout << lines[i] << std::endl;
}
! std::cout << std::endl;
}
EnhSimConfig::EnhSimConfig()
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*** 966,972 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Imbue " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 966,972 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Imbue " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1003,1009 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Imbue " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 1003,1009 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Imbue " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1048,1054 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Enchant " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 1048,1054 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Enchant " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1093,1099 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Enchant " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 1093,1099 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Enchant " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1293,1299 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Trinket " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 1293,1299 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Trinket " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1380,1386 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Totem " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 1380,1386 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Totem " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1457,1463 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Set bonus " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 1457,1463 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Set bonus " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1506,1512 ****
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Metagem " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 1506,1512 ----
}
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Metagem " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 1946,1952 ****
else {
if (name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Consumable " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
}
--- 1946,1952 ----
else {
if (name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Consumable " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
}
***************
*** 1972,1978 ****
else {
if (name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Misc item " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
}
--- 1972,1978 ----
else {
if (name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Misc item " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
}
***************
*** 2036,2042 ****
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! enh::eout << "Glyph " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 2036,2042 ----
else {
if (once && name != "-") {
! std::cout << "Glyph " << name << " not found." << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 2198,2214 ****
ep_hit_rating_ >= 0) {
ep_hit_rating_ = 0;
! enh::eout << "Hit is past caps, EP hit test will be skipped." << std::endl;
}
else {
if (mhhit > miss) {
! enh::eout << "Mh hit + EP range goes past cap by " << (mhhit - miss)/100 << "% (" << (mhhit - miss) / HIT_RATING_TO_HIT << " hit rating)." << std::endl;
}
if (ohhit > miss) {
! enh::eout << "Oh hit + EP range goes past cap by " << (ohhit - miss)/100 << "% (" << (ohhit - miss) / HIT_RATING_TO_HIT << " hit rating)." << std::endl;
}
if (spellhit > spell_miss_) {
! enh::eout << "Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by " << (spellhit - spell_miss_)/100 << "% (" << (spellhit - spell_miss_) / HIT_RATING_TO_SPELLHIT << " hit rating)." << std::endl;
}
}
if (mh_expertise_rating_ >= expcap &&
--- 2198,2214 ----
ep_hit_rating_ >= 0) {
ep_hit_rating_ = 0;
! std::cout << "Hit is past caps, EP hit test will be skipped." << std::endl;
}
else {
if (mhhit > miss) {
! std::cout << "Mh hit + EP range goes past cap by " << (mhhit - miss)/100 << "% (" << (mhhit - miss) / HIT_RATING_TO_HIT << " hit rating)." << std::endl;
}
if (ohhit > miss) {
! std::cout << "Oh hit + EP range goes past cap by " << (ohhit - miss)/100 << "% (" << (ohhit - miss) / HIT_RATING_TO_HIT << " hit rating)." << std::endl;
}
if (spellhit > spell_miss_) {
! std::cout << "Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by " << (spellhit - spell_miss_)/100 << "% (" << (spellhit - spell_miss_) / HIT_RATING_TO_SPELLHIT << " hit rating)." << std::endl;
}
}
if (mh_expertise_rating_ >= expcap &&
***************
*** 2216,2236 ****
ep_expertise_rating_ >= 0) {
ep_expertise_rating_ = 0;
! enh::eout << "Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped." << std::endl;
}
else {
if (mhexp > expcap) {
! enh::eout << "Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by " << (mhexp - expcap) / EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE << " expertise (" << mhexp - expcap << " expertise rating)." << std::endl;
}
if (ohexp > expcap) {
! enh::eout << "Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by " << (ohexp - expcap) / EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE << " expertise (" << ohexp - expcap << " expertise rating)." << std::endl;
}
}
! enh::eout << std::endl;
! enh::eout << "Calculating EP values...\n";
#ifndef NOTHREADS
for (unsigned int i=0; i<threads_; ++i) {
--- 2216,2236 ----
ep_expertise_rating_ >= 0) {
ep_expertise_rating_ = 0;
! std::cout << "Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped." << std::endl;
}
else {
if (mhexp > expcap) {
! std::cout << "Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by " << (mhexp - expcap) / EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE << " expertise (" << mhexp - expcap << " expertise rating)." << std::endl;
}
if (ohexp > expcap) {
! std::cout << "Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by " << (ohexp - expcap) / EXPERTISE_RATING_TO_EXPERTISE << " expertise (" << ohexp - expcap << " expertise rating)." << std::endl;
}
}
! std::cout << std::endl;
! std::cout << "Calculating EP values...\n";
#ifndef NOTHREADS
for (unsigned int i=0; i<threads_; ++i) {
diff -drc source/enhsimconfig.h source_patched/enhsimconfig.h
*** source/enhsimconfig.h 2008-12-08 11:08:46.000000000 -0800
--- source_patched/enhsimconfig.h 2008-12-31 13:53:51.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 157,163 ****
/*void setPhysicalCritBonus(const f32& crit_bonus) { physical_crit_multiplier_ *= 1.0f + crit_bonus / 100; };
void setSpellCritBonus(const f32& crit_bonus) { spell_crit_multiplier_ *= 1.0f + crit_bonus / 100; };*/
! /*void enh::setwindfuryAp(const int& wf_ap) { for (unsigned int i=0; i<enhsims_.size(); ++i) {
enhsims_[i]->mh_windfury_->bonus_ap_ += wf_ap;
enhsims_[i]->oh_windfury_->bonus_ap_ += wf_ap; }};*/
--- 157,163 ----
/*void setPhysicalCritBonus(const f32& crit_bonus) { physical_crit_multiplier_ *= 1.0f + crit_bonus / 100; };
void setSpellCritBonus(const f32& crit_bonus) { spell_crit_multiplier_ *= 1.0f + crit_bonus / 100; };*/
! /*void std::setwindfuryAp(const int& wf_ap) { for (unsigned int i=0; i<enhsims_.size(); ++i) {
enhsims_[i]->mh_windfury_->bonus_ap_ += wf_ap;
enhsims_[i]->oh_windfury_->bonus_ap_ += wf_ap; }};*/
diff -drc source/enhsimoutput.cpp source_patched/enhsimoutput.cpp
*** source/enhsimoutput.cpp 2008-12-04 14:08:40.000000000 -0800
--- source_patched/enhsimoutput.cpp 2008-12-31 13:53:57.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 165,171 ****
return *this;
}
! enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<< (enh::setprecision& p) {
std::cout << std::setprecision(p.i_);
if (logset_) {
log_ << std::setprecision(p.i_);
--- 165,171 ----
return *this;
}
! enh::EnhSimOutput& enh::EnhSimOutput::operator<< (enh::setprecision& p) {
std::cout << std::setprecision(p.i_);
if (logset_) {
log_ << std::setprecision(p.i_);
diff -drc source/globalutil.cpp source_patched/globalutil.cpp
*** source/globalutil.cpp 2008-12-06 14:08:59.000000000 -0800
--- source_patched/globalutil.cpp 2008-12-31 13:53:51.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 16,22 ****
void setupCombatLog(std::string filename) {
combatlog.open(filename.c_str(), std::ios::out);
if (combatlog.fail()) {
! enh::eout << "Could not open " << filename << " for combatlog." << std::endl;
}
}
--- 16,22 ----
void setupCombatLog(std::string filename) {
combatlog.open(filename.c_str(), std::ios::out);
if (combatlog.fail()) {
! std::cout << "Could not open " << filename << " for combatlog." << std::endl;
}
}
diff -drc source/main.cpp source_patched/main.cpp
*** source/main.cpp 2008-12-08 11:02:20.000000000 -0800
--- source_patched/main.cpp 2008-12-31 13:53:51.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 16,22 ****
int getConfigInt(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! enh::eout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToInt(value);
--- 16,22 ----
int getConfigInt(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! std::cout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToInt(value);
***************
*** 25,31 ****
f32 getConfigFloat(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! enh::eout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToFloat(value);
--- 25,31 ----
f32 getConfigFloat(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! std::cout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToFloat(value);
***************
*** 34,40 ****
int getConfigTalent(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! enh::eout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToInt(value.substr(0,value.length()-2));
--- 34,40 ----
int getConfigTalent(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! std::cout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToInt(value.substr(0,value.length()-2));
***************
*** 43,49 ****
float getConfigBuff(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! enh::eout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToFloat(value.substr(0,value.find_first_of("/")));
--- 43,49 ----
float getConfigBuff(const std::string& key) {
std::string value = config[key];
if (value.empty()) {
! std::cout << key << " not found from config.\n";
}
return stringToFloat(value.substr(0,value.find_first_of("/")));
***************
*** 65,71 ****
}
if (argc == 1) {
! enh::eout << "No config file specified. Pass the config file as parameter to this program.";
std::cin.get();
return 1;
--- 65,71 ----
}
if (argc == 1) {
! std::cout << "No config file specified. Pass the config file as parameter to this program.";
std::cin.get();
return 1;
***************
*** 73,79 ****
std::ifstream is(argv[1]);
if (is.fail()) {
! enh::eout << "Could not open config file " << argv[1];
std::cin.get();
return 1;
}
--- 73,79 ----
std::ifstream is(argv[1]);
if (is.fail()) {
! std::cout << "Could not open config file " << argv[1];
std::cin.get();
return 1;
}
***************
*** 314,322 ****
closeCombatLog();
#endif
! enh::eout << "elapsed simulation time: " << hours << "h\n";
! enh::eout << "elapsed real time: " << (f32)(end-start) / CLOCKS_PER_SEC << "s\n";
! enh::eout << "simulation speed: " << static_cast<int>(hours*3600 / ((f32)(end-start) / CLOCKS_PER_SEC)) << "x" << std::endl;
std::cin.get();
--- 314,322 ----
closeCombatLog();
#endif
! std::cout << "elapsed simulation time: " << hours << "h\n";
! std::cout << "elapsed real time: " << (f32)(end-start) / CLOCKS_PER_SEC << "s\n";
! std::cout << "simulation speed: " << static_cast<int>(hours*3600 / ((f32)(end-start) / CLOCKS_PER_SEC)) << "x" << std::endl;
std::cin.get();
diff -drc source/skills.cpp source_patched/skills.cpp
*** source/skills.cpp 2008-10-26 19:36:33.000000000 -0700
--- source_patched/skills.cpp 2009-01-07 17:12:12.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 491,497 ****
sim.global_cooldown_->cd_ = true;
sim.addLowPrioEvent(sim.spell_gcd_duration_, sim.global_cooldown_, 0, sim.randomLag());
! int64 casttime = floor(casting_time_ / sim.spell_haste_divider_ * (1.0 - (0.2 * sim.maelstrom_weapon_->stack_)));
sim.spell_casting_->startCasting(this, casttime, !(sim.maelstrom_weapon_->stack_ > 0));
return true;
--- 491,498 ----
sim.global_cooldown_->cd_ = true;
sim.addLowPrioEvent(sim.spell_gcd_duration_, sim.global_cooldown_, 0, sim.randomLag());
! int64 casttime = floor(casting_time_ / sim.spell_haste_divider_ * 0.2 * (5.0 - sim.maelstrom_weapon_->stack_));
!
sim.spell_casting_->startCasting(this, casttime, !(sim.maelstrom_weapon_->stack_ > 0));
return true;
diff -drc source/stats.cpp source_patched/stats.cpp
*** source/stats.cpp 2008-12-04 14:04:37.000000000 -0800
--- source_patched/stats.cpp 2008-12-31 13:53:51.000000000 -0800
***************
*** 184,196 ****
}
void Statistics::print() {
! enh::eout << std::endl << std::fixed << enh::setprecision(2);
double dmg = getTotalDamage();
double mhhits = mh_crit_ + mh_dodge_ + mh_glancing_ + mh_hit_ + mh_miss_;
if (mhhits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nMH:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_miss_, mhhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", mh_dodge_, mhhits);
printValueAndPercent("glancing", mh_glancing_, mhhits);
--- 184,196 ----
}
void Statistics::print() {
! std::cout << std::endl << std::fixed << std::setprecision(2);
double dmg = getTotalDamage();
double mhhits = mh_crit_ + mh_dodge_ + mh_glancing_ + mh_hit_ + mh_miss_;
if (mhhits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nMH:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_miss_, mhhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", mh_dodge_, mhhits);
printValueAndPercent("glancing", mh_glancing_, mhhits);
***************
*** 201,209 ****
double mhsshits = mh_ss_crit_ + mh_ss_dodge_ + mh_ss_hit_ + mh_ss_miss_;
double mhwfhits = mh_wf_crit_ + mh_wf_dodge_ + mh_wf_hit_ + mh_wf_miss_;
if (mhwfhits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nMH Windfury:\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "procs/hits" << mhwfhits / 2 / (mhhits - mh_miss_ - mh_dodge_ + mhsshits - mh_ss_miss_ - mh_ss_dodge_) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "procs/swings" << mhwfhits / 2 / (mhhits + mhsshits) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_wf_miss_, mhwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", mh_wf_dodge_, mhwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", mh_wf_hit_, mhwfhits);
--- 201,209 ----
double mhsshits = mh_ss_crit_ + mh_ss_dodge_ + mh_ss_hit_ + mh_ss_miss_;
double mhwfhits = mh_wf_crit_ + mh_wf_dodge_ + mh_wf_hit_ + mh_wf_miss_;
if (mhwfhits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nMH Windfury:\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "procs/hits" << mhwfhits / 2 / (mhhits - mh_miss_ - mh_dodge_ + mhsshits - mh_ss_miss_ - mh_ss_dodge_) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "procs/swings" << mhwfhits / 2 / (mhhits + mhsshits) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_wf_miss_, mhwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", mh_wf_dodge_, mhwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", mh_wf_hit_, mhwfhits);
***************
*** 212,225 ****
double mhfthits = mh_ft_crit_ + mh_ft_hit_ + mh_ft_miss_;
if (mhfthits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nMH Flametongue:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_ft_miss_, mhfthits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", mh_ft_hit_, mhfthits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", mh_ft_crit_, mhfthits);
}
if (mhsshits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nMH Storsmtrike:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_ss_miss_, mhsshits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", mh_ss_dodge_, mhsshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", mh_ss_hit_, mhsshits);
--- 212,225 ----
double mhfthits = mh_ft_crit_ + mh_ft_hit_ + mh_ft_miss_;
if (mhfthits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nMH Flametongue:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_ft_miss_, mhfthits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", mh_ft_hit_, mhfthits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", mh_ft_crit_, mhfthits);
}
if (mhsshits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nMH Storsmtrike:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", mh_ss_miss_, mhsshits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", mh_ss_dodge_, mhsshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", mh_ss_hit_, mhsshits);
***************
*** 228,234 ****
double ohhits = oh_crit_ + oh_dodge_ + oh_glancing_ + oh_hit_ + oh_miss_;
if (ohhits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nOH:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_miss_, ohhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", oh_dodge_, ohhits);
printValueAndPercent("glancing", oh_glancing_, ohhits);
--- 228,234 ----
double ohhits = oh_crit_ + oh_dodge_ + oh_glancing_ + oh_hit_ + oh_miss_;
if (ohhits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nOH:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_miss_, ohhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", oh_dodge_, ohhits);
printValueAndPercent("glancing", oh_glancing_, ohhits);
***************
*** 240,248 ****
double ohsshits = oh_ss_crit_ + oh_ss_dodge_ + oh_ss_hit_ + oh_ss_miss_;
double ohwfhits = oh_wf_crit_ + oh_wf_dodge_ + oh_wf_hit_ + oh_wf_miss_;
if (ohwfhits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nOH Windfury:\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "procs/hits" << ohwfhits / 2 / (ohhits - oh_miss_ - oh_dodge_ + ohsshits - oh_ss_miss_ - oh_ss_dodge_ + lavalash - lava_lash_miss_ - lava_lash_dodge_) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "procs/swings" << ohwfhits / 2 / (ohhits + ohsshits + lavalash) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_wf_miss_, ohwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", oh_wf_dodge_, ohwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", oh_wf_hit_, ohwfhits);
--- 240,248 ----
double ohsshits = oh_ss_crit_ + oh_ss_dodge_ + oh_ss_hit_ + oh_ss_miss_;
double ohwfhits = oh_wf_crit_ + oh_wf_dodge_ + oh_wf_hit_ + oh_wf_miss_;
if (ohwfhits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nOH Windfury:\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "procs/hits" << ohwfhits / 2 / (ohhits - oh_miss_ - oh_dodge_ + ohsshits - oh_ss_miss_ - oh_ss_dodge_ + lavalash - lava_lash_miss_ - lava_lash_dodge_) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "procs/swings" << ohwfhits / 2 / (ohhits + ohsshits + lavalash) * 100 << "%" << std::endl;
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_wf_miss_, ohwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", oh_wf_dodge_, ohwfhits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", oh_wf_hit_, ohwfhits);
***************
*** 251,264 ****
double ohfthits = oh_ft_crit_ + oh_ft_hit_ + oh_ft_miss_;
if (ohfthits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nOH Flametongue:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_ft_miss_, ohfthits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", oh_ft_hit_, ohfthits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", oh_ft_crit_, ohfthits);
}
if (ohsshits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nOH Stormstrike:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_ss_miss_, ohsshits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", oh_ss_dodge_, ohsshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", oh_ss_hit_, ohsshits);
--- 251,264 ----
double ohfthits = oh_ft_crit_ + oh_ft_hit_ + oh_ft_miss_;
if (ohfthits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nOH Flametongue:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_ft_miss_, ohfthits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", oh_ft_hit_, ohfthits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", oh_ft_crit_, ohfthits);
}
if (ohsshits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nOH Stormstrike:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", oh_ss_miss_, ohsshits);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", oh_ss_dodge_, ohsshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", oh_ss_hit_, ohsshits);
***************
*** 267,273 ****
double eshits = earth_shock_hit_ + earth_shock_crit_ + earth_shock_miss_;
if (eshits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nEarth Shock:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", earth_shock_miss_, eshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", earth_shock_hit_, eshits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", earth_shock_crit_, eshits);
--- 267,273 ----
double eshits = earth_shock_hit_ + earth_shock_crit_ + earth_shock_miss_;
if (eshits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nEarth Shock:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", earth_shock_miss_, eshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", earth_shock_hit_, eshits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", earth_shock_crit_, eshits);
***************
*** 275,290 ****
double fshits = flame_shock_hit_ + flame_shock_crit_ + flame_shock_miss_;
if (fshits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nFlame Shock:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", flame_shock_miss_, fshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", flame_shock_hit_, fshits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", flame_shock_crit_, fshits);
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << std::left << "dots" << flame_shock_dot_ << std::endl;
}
double frosthits = frost_shock_hit_ + frost_shock_crit_ + frost_shock_miss_;
if (frosthits > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nFrost Shock:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", frost_shock_miss_, frosthits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", frost_shock_hit_, frosthits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", frost_shock_crit_, frosthits);
--- 275,290 ----
double fshits = flame_shock_hit_ + flame_shock_crit_ + flame_shock_miss_;
if (fshits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nFlame Shock:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", flame_shock_miss_, fshits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", flame_shock_hit_, fshits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", flame_shock_crit_, fshits);
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << std::left << "dots" << flame_shock_dot_ << std::endl;
}
double frosthits = frost_shock_hit_ + frost_shock_crit_ + frost_shock_miss_;
if (frosthits > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nFrost Shock:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", frost_shock_miss_, frosthits);
printValueAndPercent("hit", frost_shock_hit_, frosthits);
printValueAndPercent("crit", frost_shock_crit_, frosthits);
***************
*** 292,305 ****
double lavaburst = lava_burst_hit_ + lava_burst_crit_ + lava_burst_miss_;
if (lavaburst > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nLava Burst:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lava_burst_miss_, lavaburst);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lava_burst_hit_, lavaburst);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lava_burst_crit_, lavaburst);
}
if (lavalash > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nLava Lash:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lava_lash_miss_, lavalash);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", lava_lash_dodge_, lavalash);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lava_lash_hit_, lavalash);
--- 292,305 ----
double lavaburst = lava_burst_hit_ + lava_burst_crit_ + lava_burst_miss_;
if (lavaburst > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nLava Burst:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lava_burst_miss_, lavaburst);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lava_burst_hit_, lavaburst);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lava_burst_crit_, lavaburst);
}
if (lavalash > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nLava Lash:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lava_lash_miss_, lavalash);
printValueAndPercent("dodge", lava_lash_dodge_, lavalash);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lava_lash_hit_, lavalash);
***************
*** 308,314 ****
double lb = lightning_bolt_hit_ + lightning_bolt_crit_ + lightning_bolt_miss_;
if (lb > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nLightning Bolt:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lightning_bolt_miss_, lb);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lightning_bolt_hit_, lb);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lightning_bolt_crit_, lb);
--- 308,314 ----
double lb = lightning_bolt_hit_ + lightning_bolt_crit_ + lightning_bolt_miss_;
if (lb > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nLightning Bolt:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lightning_bolt_miss_, lb);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lightning_bolt_hit_, lb);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lightning_bolt_crit_, lb);
***************
*** 316,322 ****
double cl = chain_lightning_hit_ + chain_lightning_crit_ + chain_lightning_miss_;
if (cl > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nChain Lightning:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", chain_lightning_miss_, cl);
printValueAndPercent("hit", chain_lightning_hit_, cl);
printValueAndPercent("crit", chain_lightning_crit_, cl);
--- 316,322 ----
double cl = chain_lightning_hit_ + chain_lightning_crit_ + chain_lightning_miss_;
if (cl > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nChain Lightning:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", chain_lightning_miss_, cl);
printValueAndPercent("hit", chain_lightning_hit_, cl);
printValueAndPercent("crit", chain_lightning_crit_, cl);
***************
*** 324,330 ****
double ls = lightning_shield_hit_ + lightning_shield_crit_ + lightning_shield_miss_;
if (ls > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nLightning Shield:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lightning_shield_miss_, ls);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lightning_shield_hit_, ls);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lightning_shield_crit_, ls);
--- 324,330 ----
double ls = lightning_shield_hit_ + lightning_shield_crit_ + lightning_shield_miss_;
if (ls > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nLightning Shield:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lightning_shield_miss_, ls);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lightning_shield_hit_, ls);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lightning_shield_crit_, ls);
***************
*** 332,363 ****
double lo = lightning_overload_hit_ + lightning_overload_crit_ + lightning_overload_miss_;
if (lo > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nLightning Overload:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lightning_overload_miss_, lo);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lightning_overload_hit_, lo);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lightning_overload_crit_, lo);
}
if (maelstrom_weapon_procs_ > 0) {
! enh::eout << "\nMaelstrom Weapon:\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "PPM" << maelstrom_weapon_procs_ * 60 / seconds_ << std::endl;
}
! enh::eout << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "flurry uptime" << flurry_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "unleashed rage uptime" << unleashed_rage_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "elemental devastation uptime" << elemental_devastation_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "elemental oath uptime" << elemental_oath_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "mh enchant uptime" << mh_enchant_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "oh enchant uptime" << oh_enchant_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "trinket1 uptime" << trinket1_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "trinket2 uptime" << trinket2_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "totem uptime" << totem_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "set bonus uptime" << set_bonus_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(31) << "metagem uptime" << metagem_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n\n";
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "" << "MRPS without overregen\n";
printValueAndPercentRegen("mana regen", mana_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("mp5", mp5_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("replenishment", replenishment_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
--- 332,363 ----
double lo = lightning_overload_hit_ + lightning_overload_crit_ + lightning_overload_miss_;
if (lo > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nLightning Overload:\n";
printValueAndPercent("miss", lightning_overload_miss_, lo);
printValueAndPercent("hit", lightning_overload_hit_, lo);
printValueAndPercent("crit", lightning_overload_crit_, lo);
}
if (maelstrom_weapon_procs_ > 0) {
! std::cout << "\nMaelstrom Weapon:\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "PPM" << maelstrom_weapon_procs_ * 60 / seconds_ << std::endl;
}
! std::cout << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "flurry uptime" << flurry_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "unleashed rage uptime" << unleashed_rage_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "elemental devastation uptime" << elemental_devastation_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "elemental oath uptime" << elemental_oath_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "mh enchant uptime" << mh_enchant_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "oh enchant uptime" << oh_enchant_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "trinket1 uptime" << trinket1_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "trinket2 uptime" << trinket2_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "totem uptime" << totem_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "set bonus uptime" << set_bonus_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(31) << "metagem uptime" << metagem_uptime_ / seconds_ << "%\n\n";
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "" << "MRPS without overregen\n";
printValueAndPercentRegen("mana regen", mana_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("mp5", mp5_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("replenishment", replenishment_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
***************
*** 366,374 ****
printValueAndPercentRegen("shamanistic rage", shamanistic_rage_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("mana potion", mana_potion_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("misc potion", misc_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
! enh::eout << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "" << enh::setw(20) << "DPS" << enh::setw(10) << "PPM" << "MPS\n";
printValueAndPercentFinal("white", mh_glancing_damage_ + mh_hit_damage_ + mh_crit_damage_ + oh_glancing_damage_ + oh_hit_damage_ + oh_crit_damage_, dmg, mhhits+ohhits);
printValueAndPercentFinal("windfury", mh_wf_hit_damage_ + mh_wf_crit_damage_ + oh_wf_hit_damage_ + oh_wf_crit_damage_, dmg, (mhwfhits+ohwfhits)/2);
printValueAndPercentFinal("flametongue", mh_ft_hit_damage_ + mh_ft_crit_damage_ + oh_ft_hit_damage_ + oh_ft_crit_damage_, dmg, mhfthits+ohfthits);
--- 366,374 ----
printValueAndPercentRegen("shamanistic rage", shamanistic_rage_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("mana potion", mana_potion_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
printValueAndPercentRegen("misc potion", misc_regen_, getTotalManaRegen());
! std::cout << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "" << std::setw(20) << "DPS" << std::setw(10) << "PPM" << "MPS\n";
printValueAndPercentFinal("white", mh_glancing_damage_ + mh_hit_damage_ + mh_crit_damage_ + oh_glancing_damage_ + oh_hit_damage_ + oh_crit_damage_, dmg, mhhits+ohhits);
printValueAndPercentFinal("windfury", mh_wf_hit_damage_ + mh_wf_crit_damage_ + oh_wf_hit_damage_ + oh_wf_crit_damage_, dmg, (mhwfhits+ohwfhits)/2);
printValueAndPercentFinal("flametongue", mh_ft_hit_damage_ + mh_ft_crit_damage_ + oh_ft_hit_damage_ + oh_ft_crit_damage_, dmg, mhfthits+ohfthits);
***************
*** 384,413 ****
printValueAndPercentFinalMana("lightning shield", lightning_shield_damage_ + lightning_shield_crit_damage_, dmg, lightning_shield_cast_, lightning_shield_mana_, getTotalMana());
printValueAndPercentFinal("lightning overload", lightning_overload_damage_ + lightning_overload_crit_damage_, dmg, lo);
printValueAndPercentFinal("misc", misc_damage_, dmg, misc_hit_);
! enh::eout << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "DPS" << getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "MPS" << getTotalMPS() << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "MP2min" << getTotalMPS() * 120 << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "MRPS" << getTotalMRPS() + mana_overregen_ / seconds_ << std::endl;
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << "Out of mana time" << oom_time_ / seconds_ << "%" << std::endl;
/*if (mw_stack_full_count_ > 0) {
double mw_avg = mw_total_time_ / mw_stack_full_count_;
double mw_sd = sqrt((mw_total_sd_time_ / mw_stack_full_count_) - (mw_avg * mw_avg));
! enh::eout << std::endl << "Average time to get 5 MW charges: " << mw_avg << std::endl;
! enh::eout << "95% of times it is between " << mw_avg - 1.96 * mw_sd << "s and " << mw_avg + 1.96 * mw_sd << "s" << std::endl;
}*/
! enh::eout << std::endl;
}
void Statistics::printValueAndPercentRegen(const std::string& label, const double& value, const double& total) {
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << std::left << label << enh::setw(10) << value/seconds_ << enh::setprecision(2) << value * 100 / total << "%" << std::endl;
}
void Statistics::printValueAndPercent(const std::string& label, const double& value, const double& total) {
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << std::left << label << enh::setw(15) << enh::setprecision(0) << value << enh::setprecision(2) << value * 100 / total << "%" << std::endl;
}
void Statistics::printValueAndPercentFinal(const std::string& label, const double& value, const double& total, const double& procs) {
--- 384,413 ----
printValueAndPercentFinalMana("lightning shield", lightning_shield_damage_ + lightning_shield_crit_damage_, dmg, lightning_shield_cast_, lightning_shield_mana_, getTotalMana());
printValueAndPercentFinal("lightning overload", lightning_overload_damage_ + lightning_overload_crit_damage_, dmg, lo);
printValueAndPercentFinal("misc", misc_damage_, dmg, misc_hit_);
! std::cout << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "DPS" << getTotalDPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "MPS" << getTotalMPS() << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "MP2min" << getTotalMPS() * 120 << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "MRPS" << getTotalMRPS() + mana_overregen_ / seconds_ << std::endl;
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << "Out of mana time" << oom_time_ / seconds_ << "%" << std::endl;
/*if (mw_stack_full_count_ > 0) {
double mw_avg = mw_total_time_ / mw_stack_full_count_;
double mw_sd = sqrt((mw_total_sd_time_ / mw_stack_full_count_) - (mw_avg * mw_avg));
! std::cout << std::endl << "Average time to get 5 MW charges: " << mw_avg << std::endl;
! std::cout << "95% of times it is between " << mw_avg - 1.96 * mw_sd << "s and " << mw_avg + 1.96 * mw_sd << "s" << std::endl;
}*/
! std::cout << std::endl;
}
void Statistics::printValueAndPercentRegen(const std::string& label, const double& value, const double& total) {
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << std::left << label << std::setw(10) << value/seconds_ << std::setprecision(2) << value * 100 / total << "%" << std::endl;
}
void Statistics::printValueAndPercent(const std::string& label, const double& value, const double& total) {
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << std::left << label << std::setw(15) << std::setprecision(0) << value << std::setprecision(2) << value * 100 / total << "%" << std::endl;
}
void Statistics::printValueAndPercentFinal(const std::string& label, const double& value, const double& total, const double& procs) {
***************
*** 418,424 ****
std::string percent = out.str();
percent.append("%");
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << std::left << label << enh::setw(10) << value/seconds_ << enh::setw(10) << percent << procs*60/seconds_ << std::endl;
}
}
--- 418,424 ----
std::string percent = out.str();
percent.append("%");
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << std::left << label << std::setw(10) << value/seconds_ << std::setw(10) << percent << procs*60/seconds_ << std::endl;
}
}
***************
*** 430,436 ****
std::string percent = out.str();
percent.append("%");
! enh::eout << enh::setw(20) << std::left << label << enh::setw(10) << value/seconds_ << enh::setw(10) << percent << enh::setw(10) << procs*60/seconds_ << enh::setw(10) << value2/seconds_ << value2 * 100 / total2 << "%" << std::endl;
}
}
--- 430,436 ----
std::string percent = out.str();
percent.append("%");
! std::cout << std::setw(20) << std::left << label << std::setw(10) << value/seconds_ << std::setw(10) << percent << std::setw(10) << procs*60/seconds_ << std::setw(10) << value2/seconds_ << value2 * 100 / total2 << "%" << std::endl;
}
}
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Originally Posted by Rhalis
The issue is the same as that of compiling on OSX. The author posted the bits of text that needed to be replaced in order to make it compile a few pages back. Though, even after replacing it, there still seemed to be an issue on linux, that I didn't have on OSX.
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tukez - Wouldn't sub-classing streambuf in EnhSimOutput help you get rid off all the operator code and let you leach the stream to a log file if enabled? (Like I said, no good at C++, just wondering)
rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS
You should prefer LL over refreshing LS because of Flurry, UR, and most importantly MW procs. In all actuality by putting LS at the bottom of your sim priority list you're really saying that everything takes priority over LS, not just that LL does.
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Originally Posted by Shae
rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS |
Ok just looking for brutal honest feedback. First time using sim, trying to help out our guild enhancement shaman. Really like the setup of the sim and how simple it is to configure. Thanks for time spent on making this sim. Please correct me for whatever I made in possible imput mistakes. Overall I have spent alot of time reading post in here from Rouncer and alot of others. Feeling to have a comfortable general idea on hit / expertise info, and overall stat weight.
This is DPS that was outputted to combat text.
Here is config file.
Generally only doing 3-4k in raids. Been having some lag issues, but overall I am just trying to help him improve his DPS by ensuring better gem chocies and enchants. His armory is follows to help double check my config information.
The World of Warcraft Armory
This is DPS that was outputted to combat text.
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DPS PPM MPS white 1391.09 31.74% 87.87 windfury 560.29 12.78% 6.49 flametongue 510.08 11.64% 55.81 stormstrike 236.31 5.39% 6.52 35.90 26.76% lava lash 152.30 3.47% 9.09 18.49 13.78% earth shock 583.31 13.31% 9.14 33.19 24.74% lightning bolt 707.08 16.13% 8.05 46.57 34.72% lightning shield 242.33 5.53% 0.84 0.00 0.00% DPS 4382.80 MPS 134.16 MP2min 16098.70 MRPS 138.07 Out of mana time 0.03% elapsed simulation time: 5.00h elapsed real time: 6.03s simulation speed: 29844 |
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imulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 120 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 SS rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 LL rotation_priority4 LS rotation_priority5 MW5_LB rotation_priority6 MW4_LB miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food dalaran_clam_chowder misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.49 oh_speed 2.39 mh_dps 100.3 oh_dps 107.9 mh_crit 30.37 oh_crit 30.37 mh_hit 11.41 oh_hit 11.41 mh_expertise_rating 262 oh_expertise_rating 262 ap 3399 haste 4.33 armor_penetration 10.42 str 133 agi 778 int 491 spi 153 spellpower 1019 spell_crit 23.26 spell_hit 14.26 max_mana 11481 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 mark_of_norgannon totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 4/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 |
The World of Warcraft Armory
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Originally Posted by illusive_2008
Generally only doing 3-4k in raids. Been having some lag issues, but overall I am just trying to help him improve his DPS by ensuring better gem chocies and enchants. His armory is follows to help double check my config information.
The World of Warcraft Armory |
One other thing, when you configure the sim use the weapon speed values from the tooltips without including the haste.
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Originally Posted by Kombinat
Does that work still?
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Originally Posted by Malan
You should prefer LL over refreshing LS because of Flurry, UR, and most importantly MW procs.
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And as Protico pointed out, this is really a theoretical sim only situation anyways. Thanks for reminding me to pay more attention to refreshing early!
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Originally Posted by Shae
That was sort of what I expected to see in my sim results, but it did not seem to be true for the scenario I was running. Further experimentation with faster offhands did not increase the difference as I thought might be the case, but held constant around ~2dps. The behaviour I observed only seems true with 3/3 Static Shock and few buff/debuffs. Increasing the buffs/debuffs favoured LL, so it's clearly a trivial difference with an uncommon buff situation. I think the conventional wisdom has been validated.
And as Protico pointed out, this is really a theoretical sim only situation anyways. Thanks for reminding me to pay more attention to refreshing early! |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
It wouldn't be a bad thing for Tukez to include an option to refresh Lightning Shield when it is below a certain number of charges. Unless the Sim is simply ignoring the charges and refreshing LS whenever it has a free GCD, not really sure how the Sim works in that regard.
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cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
I use that and put it down below my 'main' rotation, but above searing totem. Both get refreshed that way.
But does the searing totem have a similar command to refresh it when it has less than a given amount of time left on it? (can't see a command like that so I'm assuming the sim is refreshing the totem whenever it can)
Edited onundefined
Well, to be fair it's not really needed. The only real loss from putting a new one down early is mana, and possibly a little DPS if it puts it down right before it's going to shoot, but that's a completely different issue. So unless the sim is telling you that are going to be out of mana for some fairly substation amount of time, I wouldn't worry about it.
Edit: It guess I should suffix this by saying, adding searing in the method I described above doesn't make a difference to my out of mana time. I'm still not ever running out with my mediocre gear.
Edit: It guess I should suffix this by saying, adding searing in the method I described above doesn't make a difference to my out of mana time. I'm still not ever running out with my mediocre gear.
Last edited by Paenor : 01/13/09 at 5:42 PM.
Some dps would be lost by the swing timer getting reset a lot more than needed (if ST was being refreshed every available gcd), which is why I brought it up.
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Originally Posted by Staticus
Some dps would be lost by the swing timer getting reset a lot more than needed (if ST was being refreshed every available gcd), which is why I brought it up.
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I have been reading through many of the parses from sims ( I am not well versed on how to run one so I choose to read them with the different gear sets that people have come up with) and was wondering if webbed death/sinisters (neither have dropped for me yet in raid as well as a CG) is still BIS or close to it with the patch coming up. I mostly ignore the double FT imbues parses with spell dmg weapons since it has been states that WF/FT will be superior( with a slow weapon in the MH) with WF glyph change. I dont want to hinder the rogue if the daggers would not be a significant up grade or BIS for myself. Thank you in advance for answers.
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Originally Posted by Goritos
I have been reading through many of the parses from sims ( I am not well versed on how to run one so I choose to read them with the different gear sets that people have come up with) and was wondering if webbed death/sinisters (neither have dropped for me yet in raid as well as a CG) is still BIS or close to it with the patch coming up. I mostly ignore the double FT imbues parses with spell dmg weapons since it has been states that WF/FT will be superior( with a slow weapon in the MH) with WF glyph change. I dont want to hinder the rogue if the daggers would not be a significant up grade or BIS for myself. Thank you in advance for answers.
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1. Download the sim.
2. Run enhsimgui.exe and input paper doll stats, buffs, consumables, etc.
3. Run it.
Do this for each of the combinations you want to test, changing paper doll stats to account for the differences from changing setups.
4. Profit.
I did a sim just recently and had a wierd result. My haste EP was negative, not by a whole lot but still. I thought that it was just a fluke, went about my buisness and when I got a new upgrade yesterday I ran the sim again on my new stats and I still had a negative haste EP but a little bit bigger.
I can't see what I did wrong and I can't seem to find if there's some known bug. I don't reach the 1.5 speed except with heroism and that's such a short while that I can't see it mattering that much.
My config:
and the results of the EP calculation:
Can anyone see anything I did wrong?
I can't see what I did wrong and I can't seem to find if there's some known bug. I don't reach the 1.5 speed except with heroism and that's such a short while that I can't see it mattering that much.
My config:
simulation_time 100000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 1 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 143.6 oh_dps 120.0 mh_crit 20.36 oh_crit 20.36 mh_hit 9.36 oh_hit 9.36 mh_expertise_rating 102 oh_expertise_rating 102 ap 2882 haste 2.90 armor_penetration 5 str 129 agi 534 int 403 spi 153 spellpower 1138 spell_crit 17.65 spell_hit 11.7 max_mana 10161 mp5 8 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - oh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fezziks_pocketwatch trinket2 meteorite_whetstone totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus skyshatter_harness_2 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 3775.77 ap 1.00 0.45 3866.75 90.98 crit rating 1.72 0.78 3799.28 23.51 hit rating 3.25 1.48 3820.15 44.38 expertise rating 2.56 1.16 3813.92 38.15 haste rating -0.50 -0.23 3768.91 -6.86 armor penetration rating 0.96 0.43 3788.80 13.03 spellpower 1.04 0.47 3846.69 70.93 mh dps 5.77 2.63 3795.46 19.70 oh dps 2.61 1.19 3784.68 8.91 strength 1.10 agility 1.71 intelligence 1.57 spirit 0.00 0.00 3775.86 0.09 mana 0.01 0.00 3776.51 0.74 mp5 0.11 0.05 3776.73 0.97
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Originally Posted by Kletha
I don't reach the 1.5 speed except with heroism and that's such a short while that I can't see it mattering that much.
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2.5 / (1.3 [flurry] * 1.2 [windfury totem] * 1.03 [imp retribution aura] * 1.029 [itemhaste]) = 1.51
Your actual cap is 3.73 % haste from items.
The negative haste ep value will change once you stack more haste. If i remember correctly from a few pages ago, you're just in one of those sweet spots right now. Play around with the sim and see what happens when you stack more and more haste. At some point I believe those numbers should start going positive again.
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Originally Posted by Vesham
you're just in one of those sweet spots right now
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By sim only I am referring to the fact that it works perfectly, ie the windfury procs at the same moment as the melee attack that procced it while it seems that due to server-client interaction there is a lot of leeway in when the actual windfury proc from a melee attack gets worked out and that may be being determined independent of the cooldown which would allow the cooldown to run out even though the attack that procced the windfury occurred while the cooldown was still active (or something like that, whole thing is pretty confusing and hard to get your head around straight).
Ah, yes. I missed a few of the haste effects. Now it all makes sense.
It's very counterintuitive though as I would probably not need a whole lot of haste to get me out of that spot and into positive values of about 1-2 eps but I guess there's not much to be done about it.
I read in another thread that you wrote Rounced that WF cooldown seems to be less than 3 secs but the simulator is written for 3 secs so for simulations I guess that doesn't matter.
Thanks for the help to find that obvious thing out.
EDIT:
I've had such lag happen to me a lot of times when turning away or going out of range. I do my last attack (white or special) and then either turn or go out of range and a ½ second later or so the WF animation plays and the yellow numbers pop up. This could just be lagg on the animation and combat log if it wasn't for the fact that the mob died when the WF hit. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
It's very counterintuitive though as I would probably not need a whole lot of haste to get me out of that spot and into positive values of about 1-2 eps but I guess there's not much to be done about it.
I read in another thread that you wrote Rounced that WF cooldown seems to be less than 3 secs but the simulator is written for 3 secs so for simulations I guess that doesn't matter.
Thanks for the help to find that obvious thing out.
EDIT:
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Originally Posted by Rounced
By sim only I am referring to the fact that it works perfectly, ie the windfury procs at the same moment as the melee attack that procced it while it seems that due to server-client interaction there is a lot of leeway in when the actual windfury proc from a melee attack gets worked out and that may be being determined independent of the cooldown which would allow the cooldown to run out even though the attack that procced the windfury occurred while the cooldown was still active (or something like that, whole thing is pretty confusing and hard to get your head around straight).
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I would dearly love some expert guidance here if I could. I was a resto shammy, who was much better versed in HEP's and the like, until the guild I'm in asked if I would switch over to Enhancement because we were lacking dps, and had more healers that we knew what to do with. I had no quibble, as I had leveled enhancement, and with the addition of Maelstrom, I had very little downtime, and a great deal of fun. So, I respeced, came here, read the Think Tank, and as many threads as I could, and downloaded the sim and played with it extensively. I can't claim to be an expert at it's subtleties, but I do believe that I have a basic understanding of it's workings. I'm also very much indebted to Shock And Awe, which got rid of my button mashing phase, and instead had me work on the priority ability at the time. So, as ones does, I've gotten geared with drops and assorted items as they become available (come on Grim Toll... drop again). What I'm experiencing is a distinct disconnect between what I sim out my dps should be, and my best actual raid dps. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong with the sim, or I'm still very much inexperienced at being enhancement, but I'm starting to get concerned at my general low raid dps numbers. The difference is ~ 1000 dps between the sim number and the acutal raid number, and I don't have a clue as to why that is.
If anyone has any idea why there is such a difference, I'd be ever so grateful for an explanation.
and the setup file...
And last but not least.... WWS Log of last guild run
If anyone has any idea why there is such a difference, I'd be ever so grateful for an explanation.
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MH:
miss 2690703 10.72%
dodge 689237 2.74%
glancing 6268492 24.96%
hit 2998257 11.94%
crit 12463072 49.63%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.38%
procs/swings 12.65%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 204634 2.79%
hit 3594586 49.01%
crit 3534984 48.20%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 108068 2.79%
hit 1906281 49.17%
crit 1862487 48.04%
OH:
miss 2583744 10.71%
dodge 661374 2.74%
glancing 6013742 24.93%
hit 2882824 11.95%
crit 11977438 49.66%
OH Flametongue:
miss 55510 0.19%
hit 16208057 55.73%
crit 12821232 44.08%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 103651 2.75%
hit 1851936 49.14%
crit 1813181 48.11%
Earth Shock:
miss 9547 0.19%
hit 2791582 55.76%
crit 2205329 44.05%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 129683 2.77%
hit 2280810 48.78%
crit 2264868 48.44%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 9290 0.20%
hit 2635605 55.66%
crit 2090287 44.14%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 43.58
flurry uptime 90.01%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 77.70%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 33.31%
oh enchant uptime 30.84%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 18.01%
totem uptime 46.45%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 34.62 31.98%
replenishment 30.81 28.46%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 0.00%
shamanistic rage 42.82 39.56%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1269.56 33.79% 82.05
windfury 480.72 12.8% 6.11
flametongue 462.87 12.32% 48.47
stormstrike 221.51 5.9% 6.46 35.60 27.05%
lava lash 127.07 3.38% 7.79 15.48 11.76%
earth shock 522.35 13.9% 8.34 33.57 25.51%
lightning bolt 672.58 17.9% 7.89 46.95 35.68%
DPS 3756.65
MPS 131.60
MP2min 15791.56
MRPS 129.22
Out of mana time 0.01%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 19.10s
simulation speed: 1885310x
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 200 max_lag 300 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 143.6 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 30.25 oh_crit 30.25 mh_hit 10.25 oh_hit 10.25 mh_expertise_rating 123.00 oh_expertise_rating 123.00 ap 3055 haste 7.32 armor_penetration 0.00 str 186 agi 728 int 389 spi 153 spellpower 916 spell_crit 23.13 spell_hit 12.81 max_mana 9951 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 - trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 0/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
Edited onundefined
Look and make sure you're actually receiving all of the buffs you checked. You're not using or refreshing Lightning Shield (or at least you weren't on Patchwerk). The simulation also begins with both weapons already in phase with each other. You'd need a macro to put your weapons in phase with each other immediately at the start of the fight.
Edit: Is there something wrong with your EP values or are mine just outdated?
Edit: Is there something wrong with your EP values or are mine just outdated?
Last edited by Vesham : 01/17/09 at 5:28 AM.
Incorrect Expertise Cap?
(I apologize, in advance, if the answer to my question is answered elsewhere -- I haven't been able to find it if it is)
For a Draenei Shaman, 214 (6.5%) is commonly accepted as the expertise cap for level 80 without buffs, food, or flasks. Unfortunately, EnhSim is reporting that my expertise (209 / 6.25%) is above is above that cap when calculating EP values. Is this a bug in EnhSim? Is the math wrong? Or is this just a PEBKAC error?
For a Draenei Shaman, 214 (6.5%) is commonly accepted as the expertise cap for level 80 without buffs, food, or flasks. Unfortunately, EnhSim is reporting that my expertise (209 / 6.25%) is above is above that cap when calculating EP values. Is this a bug in EnhSim? Is the math wrong? Or is this just a PEBKAC error?
EnhSim uses steps to evaluate EP values. Idea of that is to lessen the RNG effect I believe. Your problem is that the step takes you over the Expertise cap as default value is 4, unless I remember wrong. You can just cap it, or if really want to measure it change the step to 1.
These lines define the steps:
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4
ep_haste_rating 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 28
ep_dps 10.0
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
Not sure what first one does, but the line ep_expertise is the one you would have to alter. Personally i would just max expertise
These lines define the steps:
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4
ep_haste_rating 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 28
ep_dps 10.0
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
Not sure what first one does, but the line ep_expertise is the one you would have to alter. Personally i would just max expertise
Atren, right concept wrong fix.
By reducing the EP value for exp to 1 you are merely introducing more error into your calculations. Change it to -4 instead and then it will be removing 4 exp from your values and then rerunning the testing series and seeing what effect the removal had on your dps. The result will be something like -2.67 which you then just make into a positive number, 2.67, which is your value for expertise.
The precision line is how many units of precision you want the results to have. 0 would give you results like 1 or 2 or 3 while 1 precision would be 1.1 or 1.2 or 2.3 and 2 precision would be 1.21 or 1.32 or 2.67
By reducing the EP value for exp to 1 you are merely introducing more error into your calculations. Change it to -4 instead and then it will be removing 4 exp from your values and then rerunning the testing series and seeing what effect the removal had on your dps. The result will be something like -2.67 which you then just make into a positive number, 2.67, which is your value for expertise.
The precision line is how many units of precision you want the results to have. 0 would give you results like 1 or 2 or 3 while 1 precision would be 1.1 or 1.2 or 2.3 and 2 precision would be 1.21 or 1.32 or 2.67
BTW since English is not my nativ language and im having a little difficulty interpreting the Data the Sim gives me, please take a short look:
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline 5571
ap 1 -0 5568 -3
crit rating -68 1 5603 32
hit rating -67 1 5602 32
expertise rating -0 0 0 -5571
haste rating -54 1 5596 25
armor penetration rating -43 1 5591 20
spellpower -47 1 5681 110
mh dps -204 3 5595 24
oh dps -84 1 5581 10
strength 1
agility -21
intelligence* -10
spirit -0 0 0 -5571
mana -0 0 0 -5571
mp5 -0 0 0 -5571
Do i see it right that Haste and Armor Penetration would bring the greatest DPS bonus indicated by these number?
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline 5571
ap 1 -0 5568 -3
crit rating -68 1 5603 32
hit rating -67 1 5602 32
expertise rating -0 0 0 -5571
haste rating -54 1 5596 25
armor penetration rating -43 1 5591 20
spellpower -47 1 5681 110
mh dps -204 3 5595 24
oh dps -84 1 5581 10
strength 1
agility -21
intelligence* -10
spirit -0 0 0 -5571
mana -0 0 0 -5571
mp5 -0 0 0 -5571
Do i see it right that Haste and Armor Penetration would bring the greatest DPS bonus indicated by these number?
Anyone else having problems with simming bandit's insignia? I posted a config file and results with it few pages back.
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Originally Posted by Karunga
BTW since English is not my nativ language and im having a little difficulty interpreting the Data the Sim gives me, please take a short look:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5571 ap 1 -0 5568 -3 crit rating -68 1 5603 32 hit rating -67 1 5602 32 expertise rating -0 0 0 -5571 haste rating -54 1 5596 25 armor penetration rating -43 1 5591 20 spellpower -47 1 5681 110 mh dps -204 3 5595 24 oh dps -84 1 5581 10 strength 1 agility -21 intelligence* -10 Do i see it right that Haste and Armor Penetration would bring the greatest DPS bonus indicated by these number? |
I've suffered from this previously and haven't been able to find the needle in the haystack. Instead of pulling my hair, I re-downloaded a new copy, overwrote all the old stuff, re-entered all the stats, and re-ran it. Don't rely on data until most (if not all) the numbers are positive.
Yeah thank you. Im 4 Items away from - what I belive - is BiS for me, So until Ulduar this is settled, but I would like to understand the Sim, just in case =)
Since Magma totems damage is being buffed, could we get an option to use Magma totem in the sim over searing? Also, I might just be blind, but I cannot find an option to enable or disable the use of Feral Spirits, I read through the majority of this thread and did not see anything stated on that.
Also, my haste value seems to jump around between 1.15 and 1.89ish when running multiple EP simulations, I read somewhere that procs etc coinciding at different times can cause stuff like this, but isn't that a pretty decent difference?
Thanks for the great utility =) I appreciate all the time and effort you have put into it.
Also, my haste value seems to jump around between 1.15 and 1.89ish when running multiple EP simulations, I read somewhere that procs etc coinciding at different times can cause stuff like this, but isn't that a pretty decent difference?
Thanks for the great utility =) I appreciate all the time and effort you have put into it.
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Originally Posted by kaoticz
Since Magma totems damage is being buffed, could we get an option to use Magma totem in the sim over searing? Also, I might just be blind, but I cannot find an option to enable or disable the use of Feral Spirits, I read through the majority of this thread and did not see anything stated on that.
Also, my haste value seems to jump around between 1.15 and 1.89ish when running multiple EP simulations, I read somewhere that procs etc coinciding at different times can cause stuff like this, but isn't that a pretty decent difference? Thanks for the great utility =) I appreciate all the time and effort you have put into it. |
Abtout Feral Spirits: They should come around 100DPS if you keep them on cooldown, and IF they do not die by various reasons, since they have no AE survival of any kind. plus they are currently bugged and do not scale with AP or Hitraiting. Plus the Spirit Walk ability is/was bugged and did not free you from certain effects.
All in All you gotta love this Spirit Wolfes =)
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Originally Posted by Karunga
Keeping Magma Up might be very very mana intensive, but never the less ...
Abtout Feral Spirits: They should come around 100DPS if you keep them on cooldown, and IF they do not die by various reasons, since they have no AE survival of any kind. plus they are currently bugged and do not scale with AP or Hitraiting. Plus the Spirit Walk ability is/was bugged and did not free you from certain effects. All in All you gotta love this Spirit Wolfes =) |
The sarcasm is really unnecessary and all in all I think they are an incredible ability that is not deserving of your scorn.
As for Magma totem based on the PTR it currently will be doing slightly more damage then Searing totem, on a single target, but even if mana was not a concern having to refresh it 3x as often is and those additional GCDs will reduce the dps contribution from Magma to the point where Searing will be better on a single target. Searing also has more range which means it won't be affected by potential movement of the target.
ok, ive ran this sim countless times and its telling me that the stray is the best possible OH for me, but thats very hard to believe...can someone plz look this over and tell me what/if im doing something wrong?
The World of Warcraft Armory
thats my current armory...would love the help, or just for someone to tell me im not crazy, cause i thought AD, WD, and anarchy would all be better OH's
MH:
miss 245595 9.42%
dodge 38985 1.49%
glancing 651604 24.99%
hit 328891 12.61%
crit 1342826 51.49%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.06%
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hit 197921 47.88%
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dodge 39199 1.50%
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Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 289608 53.82%
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miss 0 0.00%
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hit 244852 47.50%
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metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
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replenishment 38.05 36.11%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 31.93 30.30%
shamanistic rage 0.38 0.36%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
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white 1806.96 36.61% 86.93
windfury 677.75 13.73% 6.40
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lava lash 177.95 3.61% 8.59 16.79 11.83%
earth shock 596.78 12.09% 8.97 35.37 24.91%
lightning bolt 808.93 16.39% 8.80 51.84 36.52%
DPS 4935.47
MPS 141.95
MP2min 17034.07
MRPS 106.08
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.00s
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potion -
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### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
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race orc
mh_speed 2.6
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mh_dps 171.3
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elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
The World of Warcraft Armory
thats my current armory...would love the help, or just for someone to tell me im not crazy, cause i thought AD, WD, and anarchy would all be better OH's
Well browncowdown, I havent done SIms with your gear, but its quit possible that the Stray is the best OH for your current Equip.
Question is, will it be the best OH for - your planned BiS Equip.
Our Gear has a lot in common and for me, WD will be the best offhand.
(not to mention the look)
@Rounced as for my sarcasm, Spirit Wolfes are really nice in fact, its just sad that so much on them was not working as intended vor so long. What i really miss is their low survivability, last Sartarion they died after 1sec uptime, - ok it was my bad, the flames came right after I summoned them.
Question is, will it be the best OH for - your planned BiS Equip.
Our Gear has a lot in common and for me, WD will be the best offhand.
(not to mention the look)
@Rounced as for my sarcasm, Spirit Wolfes are really nice in fact, its just sad that so much on them was not working as intended vor so long. What i really miss is their low survivability, last Sartarion they died after 1sec uptime, - ok it was my bad, the flames came right after I summoned them.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
As for Magma totem based on the PTR it currently will be doing slightly more damage then Searing totem, on a single target, but even if mana was not a concern having to refresh it 3x as often is and those additional GCDs will reduce the dps contribution from Magma to the point where Searing will be better on a single target. Searing also has more range which means it won't be affected by potential movement of the target.
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L2P with simulator
Dear All,
my main is a shammy called gillyn. Whilst usually a healer, I've been working on a set of dps gear and a pretty vanilla spec 16/55/0 spec so that I can fill in in raids if we need more dps.
Armory link here.
The World of Warcraft Armory
As you can see, I don't have th best gear in the world but its far from being the worst. I've been using ShammyFriend and ShockandAwe and Recount is saying my dps ranges from 1.6k up to around 2.4k depending on bosses, trash and buffs.
So, I thought I'd use the simulator to try and help pick the best gear (is 40 +hit worth dropping for another 40 expertise? etc). I've put in details from /saa and filled out the gui but the silumator is telloing me I'm getti9ng 800dps!!!
I'm assuming that I'm either reading the output wrong, or I've missed something.
Config file here:
I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me where I'm going wrong.
Cheers, Jim.
my main is a shammy called gillyn. Whilst usually a healer, I've been working on a set of dps gear and a pretty vanilla spec 16/55/0 spec so that I can fill in in raids if we need more dps.
Armory link here.
The World of Warcraft Armory
As you can see, I don't have th best gear in the world but its far from being the worst. I've been using ShammyFriend and ShockandAwe and Recount is saying my dps ranges from 1.6k up to around 2.4k depending on bosses, trash and buffs.
So, I thought I'd use the simulator to try and help pick the best gear (is 40 +hit worth dropping for another 40 expertise? etc). I've put in details from /saa and filled out the gui but the silumator is telloing me I'm getti9ng 800dps!!!
I'm assuming that I'm either reading the output wrong, or I've missed something.
Config file here:
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simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 0 miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.6 mh_crit 27.57 oh_crit 27.57 mh_hit 10.67 oh_hit 10.67 mh_expertise_rating 115.00 oh_expertise_rating 115.00 ap 3278 haste 1.01 armor_penetration 1.43 str 133 agi 755 int 467 spi 153 spellpower 983 spell_crit 20.59 spell_hit 13.34 max_mana 11121 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant - oh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 meteorite_whetstone totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 water_mastery glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5 |
Cheers, Jim.
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Originally Posted by EntropyJim
Dear All,
Cheers, Jim. |
That said, the issue is that you haven't selected anything in your priority list. So basically you just have yourself autoattacking and nothing else. You need to select attacks and order them for the sim to model.
I got 204 expertise but I'm getting a over the cap warning from the sim&0ep for expertise, is this a bug or am i missing something?
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Originally Posted by rastotem
I got 204 expertise but I'm getting a over the cap warning from the sim&0ep for expertise, is this a bug or am i missing something?
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This has been covered earlier in this thread, but I had the exact same problem. I believe the "default" EP value for expertise in the sim is 4, which apparently you need to change (or make negative) in order to get that message to disappear and have your EP values be accurate.
I usually don't mess with the EP steps because I don't know what I'm doing, but perhaps we should request that the default value be changed (or the message changed?) assuming that this question is going to keep coming up when new users are plugging in their paper doll stats.
I usually don't mess with the EP steps because I don't know what I'm doing, but perhaps we should request that the default value be changed (or the message changed?) assuming that this question is going to keep coming up when new users are plugging in their paper doll stats.
Excuse me for being a nab, but what is ep stepping? :P
"ep_precision 0
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 3
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
You mean this? its the default.
"ep_precision 0
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 40
ep_crit_rating 20
ep_hit_rating 20
ep_expertise 3
ep_haste_rating 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating 20
ep_spellpower 24
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
You mean this? its the default.
EP stepping is the amount of each stat that is added (or subtracted if you make it a negative value) during an iteration of the sim run. If a particular stat is coming out at an extremely low value (haste, expertise, hit -mainly as you approach a cap or a particular weapon speed) then you can try making it negative and the resulting value will be as though the cap didn't exist or you hadn't reached it yet. Just be sure to remove the negative before you plug it into pawn or lootrank or you'll get some odd results.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
That said, the issue is that you haven't selected anything in your priority list. So basically you just have yourself autoattacking and nothing else. You need to select attacks and order them for the sim to model.
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rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 SR |
Don't forget Searing Totem (ST).
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Originally Posted by EntropyJim
and now up to around 2k dps - certainly more like what I'm seeing in recount. Thanks for the help. Comments on the rotation welcome.
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Originally Posted by EntropyJim
and now up to around 2k dps - certainly more like what I'm seeing in recount. Thanks for the help. Comments on the rotation welcome.
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Thanks that worked 
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I'm getting really low expertise EP values. I used -1 and -4 as the expertise ep range. What's wrong?
expertise rating value:0.65 DPS: 0.29 total DPS:2861.43 difference:1.13
simulation_time 10000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
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report_count 80
threads 2
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max_lag 0
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ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise -1
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ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 28
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ap 2365
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armor_penetration 5.46
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int 229
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glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
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rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 ES
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mental_quickness 3/3
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concussion 5/5
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call_of_thunder 0/1
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storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
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attack_power_buff_flat 688/688
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spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
flask_elixir -
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food -
misc_item -
expertise rating value:0.65 DPS: 0.29 total DPS:2861.43 difference:1.13
simulation_time 10000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 6
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 0
max_lag 0
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise -1
ep_haste_rating 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 28
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mh_speed 2.5
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mh_expertise_rating 164
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ap 2365
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oh_enchant -
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rotation_priority2 MW5_LB
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 ES
rotation_priority5 LL
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frost_resistance 0
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shamanistic_focus 1/1
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mental_quickness 3/3
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static_shock 3/3
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concussion 5/5
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spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
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haste_buff 3.0/3.0
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crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
flask_elixir -
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food -
misc_item -
Last edited by Rawrr : 01/21/09 at 12:10 AM.
Would you be able to put in Magma totem for the simulator in the future by any chance? After the patch, I decided to use Magma totem in place of searing totem and my dps shot through the roof on Patchwerk. Here's a parse:
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Originally Posted by Karunga
Question is, will it be the best OH for - your planned BiS Equip.
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It seems relatively intuitive to me that keeping the set pieces in the enhance tier would be highly recommended (as I've yet to sim a combination which vastly outperformed the set bonuses), but the question can still be asked without numerical comparison. Any methods or tools that might make such an endeavour simpler would be much appreciated, perhaps peer reviewing best in slot sets would help elucidate the best OH's in the same process.
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Originally Posted by Vesham
Would you be able to put in Magma totem for the simulator in the future by any chance? After the patch, I decided to use Magma totem in place of searing totem and my dps shot through the roof on Patchwerk. Here's a parse:
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Magma Totem is maybe 40dps more then Searing Totem and costs 2 additional GCDs per minute to maintain (and about 3k additional mana per minute as well).
Windfury Attacks are up about 200dps with the glyph changes.
Spirit Wolf scaling also is playing a role and gaining you another 40 or so dps.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Magma Totem is maybe 40dps more then Searing Totem and costs 2 additional GCDs per minute to maintain (and about 3k additional mana per minute as well).
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Originally Posted by Malan
What else are you doing with those GCDs?
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My point wasn't that it isn't a dps increase, my point was that he was making it out like his dps went through the roof due to the new Magma totem and that clearly isn't true.
Let me rephrase my post. Would you be able to update the sim to match the current version of the game including Magma totem in the near future?
And as mana intensive as it is, I've had no problems with mana in a raid setting.
And as mana intensive as it is, I've had no problems with mana in a raid setting.
Would really like an update to EhnSim with the new versions of glyphs. But for the time being I'll just ask; is there any concensus on if the new WF glyph is better or worse than the old version? My gut is telling me its going to be roughly equivalent if not a little bit better than the old version if you are only MHing WF but not better if you are DWing it. My gut substituting for math at this point as I'm not sure how to work out the numbers around the 3 sec CD.
Also wondering how the new version of Lightning Bolt Glyph, +4% LB dmg stacks up. A cursory glance at some of my past exploits on some WWS reports of my damage spreads plus some napkin math suggests its not all that great but I'd like to get someone else's opinion/numbers as well.
Also wondering how the new version of Lightning Bolt Glyph, +4% LB dmg stacks up. A cursory glance at some of my past exploits on some WWS reports of my damage spreads plus some napkin math suggests its not all that great but I'd like to get someone else's opinion/numbers as well.
Your gut is totally wrong. The new glyph is definitely superior especially if you were DWing WF.
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Heh, I must be hungry. I didn't think that would be the case because when I was DWing WF I almost always had the CD up. Oh well, thats why I asked.
Edit: Not saying I don't believe you but whats the reasoning behind that? Just would like to know why I'm wrong and what my gut was apparently missing.
Edit: Not saying I don't believe you but whats the reasoning behind that? Just would like to know why I'm wrong and what my gut was apparently missing.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Your gut is totally wrong. The new glyph is definitely superior especially if you were DWing WF.
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Reason for this is that when Dual Wielding you have a 36% chance for a proc on every single hit which means you have a ~54% chance for a proc on every Stormstrike. Even before the new windfury totem I was getting procs every 4.7seconds on average during raid situations and with the addition of all that haste, and with a new offhand attack that can proc windfuries, you will be riding the cooldown with or without the glyph.
If you are level 80 and still using WF/WF you are better off using a different glyph (and getting a clue but that is something for another discussion).
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Reason for this is that when Dual Wielding you have a 36% chance for a proc on every single hit which means you have a ~54% chance for a proc on every Stormstrike.
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I am with Malan concerning dual WF, especially as I stated same when the glyph was first introduced. Only question is however, what will dual WF proc rate be? I think best for sim would to give players option to overwrite both 1h and DW WF proc rates 
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Originally Posted by Atren
I am with Malan concerning dual WF, especially as I stated same when the glyph was first introduced. Only question is however, what will dual WF proc rate be? I think best for sim would to give players option to overwrite both 1h and DW WF proc rates
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Well Chalos agrees with you so you must be right.
Hopefully the sim will be updated to incorporate the new glyph and the other changes soon and then we can see what's what. But I have to say that I seriously doubt you will see WF/WF compete with WF/FT due to the new glyph.
Running the current Sim for WF/WF with matched Weapon speeds (to increase the likelihod of mainhand procs) and you get a proc every 4.78 seconds. With 4Naxx_melee, Flurry, WF Totem and 6% haste (which is about the lowest you can end up without gimping your gear) you have dropped your weapons down to 1.5 speed which means you are averaging 1 additional hit following the cooldown, do you really think the 5% is going to significantly increase that?
Trying unmatched weapons using a 2.6 and a 2.5 should increase the proc rate. According to the sim we go from a 12.55PPM to a 13.09PPM or a proc every 4.6 seconds. True, we lose about 50dps in the process from the increased incidence of offhand procs.
It also definitely would not be best for the sim to give players the option to overwrite anything. Start testing, figure out the proc chance outside of the cooldown with the glyph and report back so that it can be incorporated into the Sim. Just allowing people to stick random numbers into the Sim helps nobody. Having a sim with the right numbers helps everybody.
(if you aren't sure how to properly test the new proc rate with the glyph one simple way is just to use Lava Lash. Grab 2 weapons and imbue them both with WF, stand sideways to a level 60 targeting dummy so that autoattack is blocked and then use Lava Lash on every cooldown for awhile. After about 1000 of them determine your proc rate, should give very accurate results.)
I never stated WF/WF would beat WF/FT and unless i read wrong neither did Malan. Gap should be smaller altough. Point was the glyph improves dual WF damage opposed to many claiming it is negative.
This is a pretty retarded argument. Of course it improves wf/wf, which no one uses. The fact of the matter is that it is a much bigger buff for WF/FT, which you should be using anyway.
You're arguing to be right about something that is completely irrelevant.
You're arguing to be right about something that is completely irrelevant.
Ok, I guess I need to be more precise.
In overall damage WF/FT will remain king most likely. Concerning the WF glyph it should offer bigger dps increase to WF/WF than to WF/FT probably however. Resulting gap between those two configuration to lessen.
In overall damage WF/FT will remain king most likely. Concerning the WF glyph it should offer bigger dps increase to WF/WF than to WF/FT probably however. Resulting gap between those two configuration to lessen.
What's the coef and interval on Magma totem? Eg. Searing totem interval is ~2.5s, not 2.0s.
If no one has any other info, I will put 4.8% crit reduction for white and 1.8% crit reduction for yellow attacks. Not gonna put any reduction for spells, because I don't have any info on them.
If no one has any other info, I will put 4.8% crit reduction for white and 1.8% crit reduction for yellow attacks. Not gonna put any reduction for spells, because I don't have any info on them.
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Originally Posted by tukez
What's the coef and interval on Magma totem? Eg. Searing totem interval is ~2.5s, not 2.0s.
If no one has any other info, I will put 4.8% crit reduction for white and 1.8% crit reduction for yellow attacks. Not gonna put any reduction for spells, because I don't have any info on them. |
Magma Totem is 2 second intervals with a 100% (10% per tick) coefficient.
Searing Totem is an 8% coefficient per attack and a 2.2 second casting time.
For those actually reading the entire thread, yes, I was wrong about Magma totem. Tested a bit last night and the fact that I was using wrathstrike in the parse boosted searing almost to the same damage as magma but in actual encounters using magma will be a significant source of dps provided you can sustain the mana for it.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Magma Totem is 2 second intervals with a 100% (10% per tick) coefficient.
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And I think Searing totems coef is 16.6%.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Searing totem interval is actually ~2.5s, even you can see the casting time as 2.2s. Doesn't this kind of "lag" affect Magma totem at all?
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I just checked a WWS from a Naxx and Searing is indeed hitting every 2.5 seconds. Magma Totem is hitting every 2 seconds. Coefficient for Searing could be 16% but since I don't have a clear idea of my stats, due to raid buffs, I'm not sure.
One thing that was weird last night from playing with the dummies is that searing doesn't seem to use our spell crit values anymore. Mine was barely critting 5% of the time. Magma totem on the other hand seemed to be using my spell crit since it was critting very often.
19:58'52.359 Rouncer Magma Totem summons Magma Totem VII #1. 19:58'54.984 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #38 for 389 Fire. 19:58'54.984 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #36 for 918 Fire. (Critical) 19:58'54.984 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 439 Fire. 19:58'55.000 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 439 Fire. 19:58'57.062 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #39 for 259 Fire. 19:58'57.078 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #38 for 259 Fire. 19:58'57.078 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #37 for 259 Fire. 19:58'57.078 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #36 for 612 Fire. (Critical) 19:58'57.078 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 293 Fire. 19:58'57.078 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 612 Fire. (Critical) 19:58'59.140 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #39 for 259 Fire. 19:58'59.140 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #38 for 542 Fire. (Critical) 19:58'59.140 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #37 for 259 Fire. 19:58'59.156 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #36 for 293 Fire. 19:58'59.156 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 550 Fire. (Critical) (26 Resisted) 19:58'59.156 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 234 Fire. (52 Resisted) 19:59'01.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #39 for 259 Fire. 19:59'01.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #38 for 259 Fire. 19:59'01.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #37 for 542 Fire. (Critical) 19:59'01.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #36 for 263 Fire. (26 Resisted) 19:59'01.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 612 Fire. (Critical) 19:59'01.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 612 Fire. (Critical) 19:59'03.015 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #39 for 542 Fire. (Critical) 19:59'03.015 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #38 for 433 Fire. (Critical) (52 Resisted) 19:59'03.015 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #37 for 259 Fire. 19:59'03.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #36 for 612 Fire. (Critical) 19:59'03.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 293 Fire. 19:59'03.031 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 234 Fire. (52 Resisted) 19:59'05.109 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #39 for 352 Fire. 19:59'05.109 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #38 for 352 Fire. 19:59'05.109 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #37 for 661 Fire. (Critical) (31 Resisted) 19:59'05.109 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 734 Fire. (Critical) 19:59'05.125 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 281 Fire. (62 Resisted) 19:59'07.046 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #39 for 440 Fire. 19:59'07.046 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #37 for 439 Fire. 19:59'07.046 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 439 Fire. 19:59'07.046 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 395 Fire. (39 Resisted) 19:59'09.125 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #39 for 482 Fire. 19:59'09.125 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Lava Blaze #35 for 482 Fire. 19:59'09.125 Magma Totem VII #1 Magma Totem hits Sartharion for 907 Fire. (Critical) (43 Resisted) 19:59'09.140 Magma Totem VII #1 died.
So I guess that's 3 things that need testing now. The proc rate for the new Windfury glyph when using WF/WF, the coefficient for Searing Totem and whether the crit rate for searing/magma totem is affected by the shaman's spell crit value. I should have some time this afternoon to get those done.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
But I have to say that I seriously doubt you will see WF/WF compete with WF/FT due to the new glyph.
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So what glyphs are you all suggesting with this new 1? currently im using the Ap Wf glyph, 8% ss dmg, and lightning shield glyph.
Do the shock and awe correctly import set bonus if the set items are from different tier? (i.e. 200 and 213 itemlvl)
I can't seem to get it to recognize my items are being of same set when I do the import.
Anyone else having this issue?
I can't seem to get it to recognize my items are being of same set when I do the import.
Anyone else having this issue?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
[...] and whether the crit rate for searing/magma totem is affected by the shaman's spell crit value. I should have some time this afternoon to get those done.
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Originally Posted by Njald
Do the shock and awe correctly import set bonus if the set items are from different tier? (i.e. 200 and 213 itemlvl)
I can't seem to get it to recognize my items are being of same set when I do the import. Anyone else having this issue? |
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Did some testing.
Searing Totem 16.7% coefficient per attack
Magma Totem 10% coefficient per attack
WF/WF proc rate is 45.5% per weapon
Naked Parse with 139 spellpower and 2/3 Call of Fire
Wow Web Stats
In normal gear with 1096 spellpower with 2/3 Call of Fire
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Normal gear, turned sideways, with the glyph - 200 LLs
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Did a little playing around with Splintering. Looks like it does work as intended but even with a 3.8 speed weapon it's hard to really see much of an effect.
Searing Totem 16.7% coefficient per attack
Magma Totem 10% coefficient per attack
WF/WF proc rate is 45.5% per weapon
Naked Parse with 139 spellpower and 2/3 Call of Fire
Wow Web Stats
In normal gear with 1096 spellpower with 2/3 Call of Fire
WWS Loading...
Normal gear, turned sideways, with the glyph - 200 LLs
WWS Loading...
Did a little playing around with Splintering. Looks like it does work as intended but even with a 3.8 speed weapon it's hard to really see much of an effect.
Last edited by Rounced : 01/23/09 at 10:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
WF/WF proc rate is 40.5% per weapon
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Logic says that the new procrate should be one of:
A: 1-(1-0.2+0.05)^2 = 0.4375
B: 1-(1-0.20)^2+0.05 = 0.41
C: 1-(1-0.2+0.05)*(1-0.2) = 0.4
A seems like the most intuitive way, though with enough data we should be able to say for sure.
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Originally Posted by MatsT
A seems like the most intuitive way, though with enough data we should be able to say for sure.
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Damn it, I blame a poor educational system for my inability to do simple division.
Thank you to the one who pmed me for being discrete about my lack of math skills.
122 hits + 60 crits = 182 windfury attacks = 91 procs / 200 hits = 45.5% proc rate.
Last edited by Rounced : 01/22/09 at 10:32 PM.
Proc rate is most likely 25+25*0,75=25+18,75=43,75 or A as you put it. 45,5 is not far from it so it does kinda support that.
Anyways, I think sim could have it (43,75% proc rate if have WF glyph) with option of giving manually proc rate for both WF and Dual WF. That would also allow to do some theorycrafting like for example how big should it be to catch FT
Anyways, I think sim could have it (43,75% proc rate if have WF glyph) with option of giving manually proc rate for both WF and Dual WF. That would also allow to do some theorycrafting like for example how big should it be to catch FT
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I have currently a resto spec, but i would like tu use the sim for a enh one.
1) Is there an option in the sim which, given the correct talents, would correct the value given by the paper doll with a 0/0/0 spec ?
For example, my gear gives me 10% hit, but Dual Wield Specialization would potentially gives me 6% more hit.
2) Is there an option in Shock and Awe to "negate" the effects on the paper doll of a current spec ?
For example, I have 5/5 in Ancestral Knowledge, but I would like to run the sim with only 3/5 AK. Is Shock and Awe able to correct my intellect ?
Maybe my question is irrelevant because respecing is relatively cheap today (but it would be a nice new feature anyway).
I also would like to have some explanations about ep_ap,ep_hit_rating,ep_expertise, etc.
When calculating EP values for hit rating, the sim add ep_hit_rating_ep to my current hit and recompute a fight (and the difference between the original dps and this one gives the ep value) ?
I cannot infer the best value in the config file. Is it the smallest one ?
1) Is there an option in the sim which, given the correct talents, would correct the value given by the paper doll with a 0/0/0 spec ?
For example, my gear gives me 10% hit, but Dual Wield Specialization would potentially gives me 6% more hit.
2) Is there an option in Shock and Awe to "negate" the effects on the paper doll of a current spec ?
For example, I have 5/5 in Ancestral Knowledge, but I would like to run the sim with only 3/5 AK. Is Shock and Awe able to correct my intellect ?
Maybe my question is irrelevant because respecing is relatively cheap today (but it would be a nice new feature anyway).
I also would like to have some explanations about ep_ap,ep_hit_rating,ep_expertise, etc.
When calculating EP values for hit rating, the sim add ep_hit_rating_ep to my current hit and recompute a fight (and the difference between the original dps and this one gives the ep value) ?
I cannot infer the best value in the config file. Is it the smallest one ?
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Yes for DW spec no for things like Thundering Strikes, No, Yes and No.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Did some testing.
Searing Totem 16.7% coefficient per attack Magma Totem 10% coefficient per attack WF/WF proc rate is 45.5% per weapon Naked Parse with 139 spellpower and 2/2 Call of Fire Wow Web Stats In normal gear with 1096 spellpower with 2/2 Call of Fire WWS Loading... Normal gear, turned sideways, with the glyph - 200 LLs WWS Loading... Did a little playing around with Splintering. Looks like it does work as intended but even with a 3.8 speed weapon it's hard to really see much of an effect. |
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Originally Posted by panny
Do you mean Call of Flame 2/3 or 3/3?
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Sorry 2/3, I'll edit the post.
The gains that magma totem got this patch are pretty crazy. I'd put it at a 300 DPS improvement over Searing Totem on single target dps. Several fights in Naxx last night it was my 3rd/4th highest source of damage.
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Originally Posted by Malan
The gains that magma totem got this patch are pretty crazy. I'd put it at a 300 DPS improvement over Searing Totem on single target dps. Several fights in Naxx last night it was my 3rd/4th highest source of damage.
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Sadly at 1/3 the duration and 4x the mana this totem isn't as great for any fight which is otherwise mana intensive in any way. We typically don't have mana issues, but any fight during which I cast more than one or two heals (Saph, Sarth, etc.) Magma was causing me to go OOM up to 20 seconds before SR was up. Magma might be good for certain single target DPS fights (Patchwerk) but for a lot of them we will have to stick with Searing.
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Originally Posted by Protico
Sadly at 1/3 the duration and 4x the mana this totem isn't as great for any fight which is otherwise mana intensive in any way. We typically don't have mana issues, but any fight during which I cast more than one or two heals (Saph, Sarth, etc.) Magma was causing me to go OOM up to 20 seconds before SR was up. Magma might be good for certain single target DPS fights (Patchwerk) but for a lot of them we will have to stick with Searing.
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I have a question regarding totems. Currently I'm using stonebreakers totem because it sim's higher than my totem of splintering. But with the recent change to windfury glyph, what are your thoughts on the totem of splintering. With that 5% chance to hit increase, will that in theory out perform the stonebreakers totem now?
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Originally Posted by jonnaei
The only fight I was unable to keep Magma totem up on last night for a full Naxx and EoE clear was Grobbulus. Raid-buffed and with replenishment I rarely go below 8k or 9k mana in my 14k mana pool with refreshing Magma totem every 15 seconds or so or earlier with a free GCD. Having to throw oneself heals isn't something I would take into consideration for a min/maxing perspective just like water shield is an atypical situation. It was not hard for me to keep magma totem active whatsoever with the exception of a few times I forgot to refresh it.... I'm still getting used to keeping it down. The only thing that will get me to use searing now is excessive movement.
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Originally Posted by Protico
I would say throwing oneself a heal isn't atypical in a min/max raid, because one of the things being pushed off the roster is a often a healer. On 3 drake Sarth I use MW weapon for healing myself about once every 3-5 5 stacks, simply because we run with 2 healers and there are so many opportunities to take random damage. I suppose this change will be a YMMV type thing, situation use based on what the player feels is right, but I don't think anyone can argue that 1114 mana every 20 seconds is an insubstantial amount, that is 6684 mana every SR cooldown, or 1/2-1/3 a mana pool.
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BTW, when I say min/maxing it is referring to max output for typical situations and I would say, at least for my guild's raids, that having to heal myself is very atypical. There are outliers such as 3D sartharion, but for our general purposes magma totem is quite sustainable with our mana pools and regen (notice that there are no healing spells in the priority rotation on the sim). Burning through 6884 extra mana every 2 minutes is a non-issue on a boss fight when I end up with less than 8k or so mana in an SR cycle.
And I, unfortunately, don't run with an spriest; that would further nullify the mana argument.
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Alright so to me it seems the tread has sorta gotten off track a bit so I am gonna bump it in the right direction a tiny bit.
I've been running a lot sims lately and I've been getting a very high Expertise EP (~3.00+) value despite having way over what I need. Unless things have changed and I am not up on the uppity then from what I know is that I only need 6.5% expertise when hitting from the back, I currently have 8.25%. (Yes I know I have too much, but I am just preparing for other gear that will eventually even it out.)
Anyways here are my EP values:
I've tried changing the EP values in the EnhSimGUI for expertise down to 1, but I get the same values. Only time it changes is if I move it to zero, in which case i get a zero value.
I've been running a lot sims lately and I've been getting a very high Expertise EP (~3.00+) value despite having way over what I need. Unless things have changed and I am not up on the uppity then from what I know is that I only need 6.5% expertise when hitting from the back, I currently have 8.25%. (Yes I know I have too much, but I am just preparing for other gear that will eventually even it out.)
Anyways here are my EP values:
baseline 5251.84 ap 1.00 0.54 5273.43 21.59 crit rating 1.76 0.95 5270.80 18.95 hit rating 2.02 1.09 5273.66 21.82 expertise rating 3.17 1.71 5265.87 14.03 haste rating 1.58 0.85 5268.85 17.01 armor penetration rating 0.55 0.30 5257.78 5.94 spellpower 0.78 0.42 5261.97 10.12 mh dps 6.37 3.44 5277.63 25.79 oh dps 3.21 1.73 5264.83 12.99 strength 1.10 agility 1.89 intelligence 1.31 spirit 0.01 0.00 5252.24 0.40 mana -0.00 -0.00 5251.83 -0.01 mp5 0.29 0.16 5255.00 3.16
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Originally Posted by EndallUSDW
Alright so to me it seems the tread has sorta gotten off track a bit so I am gonna bump it in the right direction a tiny bit.
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Last edited by Rouncer : 01/23/09 at 8:20 PM.
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The EnhSimGUI Config?
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 1 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 250 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 500 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 SR miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance shadow_resistance armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.00/13.00 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food dalaran_clam_chowder misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 27.49 oh_crit 27.49 mh_hit 10.92 oh_hit 10.92 mh_expertise_rating 33 oh_expertise_rating 33 ap 3467 haste 4.61 armor_penetration 0 str 131 agi 790 int 447 spi 0 spellpower 1314 spell_crit 19.97 spell_hit 13.65 max_mana 10821 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mark_of_norgannon trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 earth_shock glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 5/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/5 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/5
Last edited by EndallUSDW : 01/23/09 at 10:27 PM.
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Expertise rating (~272 in your case) needs to be entered rather than the expertise value (33 in your case) you see on the paper doll.
Last edited by Staticus : 01/23/09 at 10:45 PM.
Also this -
is bad unless you really know what you're doing.
Tukez I think that the EP steps need a big warning in the bundled config files as such:
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DO NOT FUCK WITH THIS SECTION
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EP Step stuff
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FEEL FREE TO FUCK WITH ANYTHING ELSE
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ep_expertise 1
Tukez I think that the EP steps need a big warning in the bundled config files as such:
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DO NOT FUCK WITH THIS SECTION
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EP Step stuff
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FEEL FREE TO FUCK WITH ANYTHING ELSE
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I see! Well I was putting in the "RATING" which is 33 not the expertise points. Only reason I fucked with that sections is because the values were not coming out how I knew they should be!
threat issues
In my latest Naxx run I was high on aggro during most of the boss fights.
I don't know if it's my guild's tanks that aren't very good, but I had to wind shock very often and even stop in certain situations.
Could be useful to add threat in the simulator (considering we have threat reduction on melee abilities and not on spells?)
I don't know if it's my guild's tanks that aren't very good, but I had to wind shock very often and even stop in certain situations.
Could be useful to add threat in the simulator (considering we have threat reduction on melee abilities and not on spells?)
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Originally Posted by EndallUSDW
I see! Well I was putting in the "RATING" which is 33 not the expertise points. Only reason I fucked with that sections is because the values were not coming out how I knew they should be!
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Originally Posted by Rounced
You do realize that it's 33 Expertise which breaks down to 272 Expertise Rating, right? Maybe you should go get a clue before spouting attitude.
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One question I have related to the expertise stuff, is why is the EP for expertise based on actual expertise points while you enter in rating? If you're one rating away from another expertise point will that throw off the expertise EP?
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Originally Posted by Broshious
One question I have related to the expertise stuff, is why is the EP for expertise based on actual expertise points while you enter in rating? If you're one rating away from another expertise point will that throw off the expertise EP?
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Expertise only works in steps so if you were to have the EP steps in rating and the rating change stuck you between two Expertise values then a chunk of it would be doing nothing. Meaning your EP values would be very inaccurate.
Read the TTT for a more indepth explanation, Shaman: Enhancement
I posted some of this a few pages back but at the time it was only PTR data and nothing official, but it is live now.
Engineering got a substantial boost in 3.0.8 making it a much more viable profession for min/maxing.
Hyperspeed Accelerators received about a 2.5x boost in effectiveness going from an 8 second duration/2 minute cooldown to 10 second duration/1 minute cooldown. The tooltip still says 2 minutes but the actual cooldown on the gloves is 60 seconds. Does not share a CD with trinkets so it can be popped in conjunction. Would be nice to simulate the actual use effect instead of just adding ~57 passive haste due to the strange WF chasm.
[Gnomish Lightning Generator] was changed to no longer interupt the swing timer making it substantially better for melee since it is also not on the GCD. It does have a 1 second cast or charge time however this "cast" can happen inside of the GCD of another ability, for example ES followed 1 second later by a GLG discharge, then a LL ~0.5sec later. Unfortunately does not get the benefit of storm strike but does receive benefits from other buffs/debuffs on the target and can crit (I saw ~30% crit rate over 60+ casts in the 10man I tried it in). Even with those changes I doubt it's worth much except for entry level raiding though.
[Saronite Bomb] is an interesting choice, esp for shamans, now that they've been made dirt cheap with [Box of Bombs]. They can crit and have a fairly large range and give us an occasional source of badly needed AOE damage (I've seen a 13mob hit for ~18k total). And like the above items they are also off the GCD, no cast time, and don't reset the swing timer, so even if you just have a single target, using them is a free pop for ~2k raid buffed/debuffed every 60 seconds.
The bulk of this might be better off in the TTT thread I'm not sure, the only update I'd request for the EnhSim would be the Hyperspeed Accelerators, I'm not sure if you've implemented the tailoring embroidery in there yet either but those would be valid to add as well, esp the melee cloak enchant. Effectively a 3rd (or 4th for engineer/tailors) trinket slot for these proc/use enchants.
Engineering got a substantial boost in 3.0.8 making it a much more viable profession for min/maxing.
Hyperspeed Accelerators received about a 2.5x boost in effectiveness going from an 8 second duration/2 minute cooldown to 10 second duration/1 minute cooldown. The tooltip still says 2 minutes but the actual cooldown on the gloves is 60 seconds. Does not share a CD with trinkets so it can be popped in conjunction. Would be nice to simulate the actual use effect instead of just adding ~57 passive haste due to the strange WF chasm.
[Gnomish Lightning Generator] was changed to no longer interupt the swing timer making it substantially better for melee since it is also not on the GCD. It does have a 1 second cast or charge time however this "cast" can happen inside of the GCD of another ability, for example ES followed 1 second later by a GLG discharge, then a LL ~0.5sec later. Unfortunately does not get the benefit of storm strike but does receive benefits from other buffs/debuffs on the target and can crit (I saw ~30% crit rate over 60+ casts in the 10man I tried it in). Even with those changes I doubt it's worth much except for entry level raiding though.
[Saronite Bomb] is an interesting choice, esp for shamans, now that they've been made dirt cheap with [Box of Bombs]. They can crit and have a fairly large range and give us an occasional source of badly needed AOE damage (I've seen a 13mob hit for ~18k total). And like the above items they are also off the GCD, no cast time, and don't reset the swing timer, so even if you just have a single target, using them is a free pop for ~2k raid buffed/debuffed every 60 seconds.
The bulk of this might be better off in the TTT thread I'm not sure, the only update I'd request for the EnhSim would be the Hyperspeed Accelerators, I'm not sure if you've implemented the tailoring embroidery in there yet either but those would be valid to add as well, esp the melee cloak enchant. Effectively a 3rd (or 4th for engineer/tailors) trinket slot for these proc/use enchants.
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Has anyone else noticed a disconnect between the expertise rating that you input and the melee dodge % in the output?
Specificaly;166 rating results in a dodged rate of .25%. That translates out to roughly 204 rating and not 166.
Also, the "over the expertise cap" message occurs at 182 rating and not 213.
Only looked at the MH and OH entries. Draenei shaman 5000 hours simulated time, version 1.5.
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You are correct I have mislabeled things in my haste last night. I mistakenly put down Miss% when I meant to referenced attacks that had been dodged.
To be absolutely clear, if you input an Expertise rating of 166 and simulate for 5000 hours you get a dodged percentage of .25%, this roughs out to 204 rating and not 166 rating. Boss dodge percentage is 6.5 using the draenei setting.
I apologize for wasting a page of space, and decided to move my responses back here.
I was too busy to notice it at the time but the + Expertise value set under the EP tab is 4 not 32, so the over the cap message is inappropriate with your explanation.
I am not attempting to get advice here, I think I've found a bug. Or I do not understand fully how the simulator works, perhaps it is assigning extra rating. I don't know. I have not changed any values aside from the character input, and the simulation time.
Specificaly;166 rating results in a dodged rate of .25%. That translates out to roughly 204 rating and not 166.
Also, the "over the expertise cap" message occurs at 182 rating and not 213.
Only looked at the MH and OH entries. Draenei shaman 5000 hours simulated time, version 1.5.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Expertise doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with miss to begin with, maybe that's your issue.
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To be absolutely clear, if you input an Expertise rating of 166 and simulate for 5000 hours you get a dodged percentage of .25%, this roughs out to 204 rating and not 166 rating. Boss dodge percentage is 6.5 using the draenei setting.
I apologize for wasting a page of space, and decided to move my responses back here.
I was too busy to notice it at the time but the + Expertise value set under the EP tab is 4 not 32, so the over the cap message is inappropriate with your explanation.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Is the message you get "EP expertise goes past cap with MH. EP expertise goes past cap with OH"
Notice the EP portion of that message? If that is not the message then link your config file and I'm sure we'll be able to tell you what you are doing wrong. If that is the message you are getting and you still don't understand what is going on then I can't help you because eugenics is considered unethical in most countries. |
Last edited by Urgok : 01/25/09 at 8:07 PM.
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Originally Posted by Urgok
Has anyone else noticed a disconnect between the expertise rating that you input and the melee miss % in the output?
Specificaly;166 rating results in a miss rate of .25%. That translates out to roughly 204 rating and not 166. Also, the "over the expertise cap" message occurs at 182 rating and not 213. Only looked at the MH and OH entries. Draenei shaman 5000 hours simulated time, version 1.5. |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
182 + 32 (4 Expertise) = 214 = capped
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Originally Posted by Urgok
Where's the 32 coming from?
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So your saying that the EP values under the EP tab are applied to the output of the program when I hit the Simulate button?
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Originally Posted by Urgok
So your saying that the EP values under the EP tab are applied to the output of the program when I hit the Simulate button?
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Notice the EP portion of that message?
If that is not the message then link your config file and I'm sure we'll be able to tell you what you are doing wrong. If that is the message you are getting and you still don't understand what is going on then I can't help you because eugenics is considered unethical in most countries.
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Originally Posted by Urgok
So your saying that the EP values under the EP tab are applied to the output of the program when I hit the Simulate button?
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So in the case of your expertise rating even if you are under cap if your Expertise EP range is high enough it will tell you that you are over the cap because its adding that amount of Expertise to your character in the simulation. SO, if you get that message when you are under the cap decrease the Expertise EP range incrementily until you no longer get the over cap message.
Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Is the message you get "EP expertise goes past cap with MH. EP expertise goes past cap with OH"
Notice the EP portion of that message? If that is not the message then link your config file and I'm sure we'll be able to tell you what you are doing wrong. If that is the message you are getting and you still don't understand what is going on then I can't help you because eugenics is considered unethical in most countries. |
Expertise doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with miss to begin with, maybe that's your issue.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Expertise doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with miss to begin with, maybe that's your issue.
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Any word on the new Sim yet as i dont have my lagfree comp atm i cant do any live testing so i know whether to enchant this murder or not
I corrected the errors in the initial post.
Question on EnhSim
Hey... I love the SIM BTW!
OK so two things:
1) First off, I've applied all the buffs and all of my stats, yet everytime I run "Simulate," my DPS drops by about 400-500 b/c it says that I have 17% out of mana uptime. Now this doesn't make any sense, as with all the buffs from 25mans it is literally impossible for me to run out of mana (Patchwerk for example, which is must like EnhSim). Why is it saying this, and is there a way to negate this "out of mana uptime" that lowers my DPS?
2) How do you come up with the EP amounts to add to your stats to obtain the EP values? Sometimes I think they seem a bit off... 200 AP added doesn't seem to be equivalent to 30 crit. I'm just wondering where these values were obtained?
Thanks!
OK so two things:
1) First off, I've applied all the buffs and all of my stats, yet everytime I run "Simulate," my DPS drops by about 400-500 b/c it says that I have 17% out of mana uptime. Now this doesn't make any sense, as with all the buffs from 25mans it is literally impossible for me to run out of mana (Patchwerk for example, which is must like EnhSim). Why is it saying this, and is there a way to negate this "out of mana uptime" that lowers my DPS?
2) How do you come up with the EP amounts to add to your stats to obtain the EP values? Sometimes I think they seem a bit off... 200 AP added doesn't seem to be equivalent to 30 crit. I'm just wondering where these values were obtained?
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Kaaji1359
Hey... I love the SIM BTW!
OK so two things: 1) First off, I've applied all the buffs and all of my stats, yet everytime I run "Simulate," my DPS drops by about 400-500 b/c it says that I have 17% out of mana uptime. Now this doesn't make any sense, as with all the buffs from 25mans it is literally impossible for me to run out of mana (Patchwerk for example, which is must like EnhSim). Why is it saying this, and is there a way to negate this "out of mana uptime" that lowers my DPS? 2) How do you come up with the EP amounts to add to your stats to obtain the EP values? Sometimes I think they seem a bit off... 200 AP added doesn't seem to be equivalent to 30 crit. I'm just wondering where these values were obtained? Thanks! |
Generic stat ep value calcualtion:
Stat EP = [(new dps - old dps) / ep step] / (dps per ap)
Stat EP = [(new dps - old dps) / ep step] / (dps per ap)
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Originally Posted by Kaaji1359
2) How do you come up with the EP amounts to add to your stats to obtain the EP values? Sometimes I think they seem a bit off... 200 AP added doesn't seem to be equivalent to 30 crit. I'm just wondering where these values were obtained?
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Originally Posted by Malan
That isn't what the EP step in the config file means at all. Did you read the wikidot for EnhSim that Tukez created?
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Really? I thought that it would calculate DPS, then add whatever AP/crit/etc. that's in the config to your stats and then calculate DPS, and do the formula above? But no, I did not read Tukez's wikidot... I know it's somewhere above, but 50+ pages is a lot to go through
Would you mind giving a link?Thanks
I have SR at the bottom of my rotation. I don't think it matter so much where its placed so long as it is in there. I am only out of mana usually around 1.7% of the time.
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I have SR at the top of my rotation du to the fact that it is the most important thing in my rotation cause the fact that without many even if its 1,7% its a huge loss in dps.
Putting it at the top means it has the highest priority if you have below 700 mana and will only be used then.
I am out of mana 0% on Sim.
Putting it at the top means it has the highest priority if you have below 700 mana and will only be used then.
I am out of mana 0% on Sim.
Last edited by e30Birdy : 01/26/09 at 8:56 AM.
You could also just turn off mana simulation and then we wouldn't be having this discussion. (for the umpteenth time)
Malan sorry i always forget to recommend that option.
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
I have SR at the top of my rotation du to the fact that it is the most important thing in my rotation cause the fact that without many even if its 1,7% its a huge loss in dps.
Putting it at the top means it has the highest priority if you have below 700 mana and will only be used then. I am out of mana 0% on Sim. |
Last edited by EndallUSDW : 01/26/09 at 1:55 PM.
I have 382 hit rating so why does it say that "EP hit goes past cap with spells?" Is this distorting my EP for hit? 446 is spell hit cap. I'm using 30 as my hit rating EP range.
Because you probably also have "I have a shadow priest" indicated in the config file.
All it is telling you is that you are capped out on spell hit because the hit cap for spell is 356. As soon as you hit that 356 hit rating the EP values for are going to go down. Instead of having both spell and melee benefit from hit, only its only melee. At this point start geming for AP because you will get more out of it. With an EP value less than 2.0 for any stat you will get more out of a 32ap gem than a 16hit/expert/crit gem.
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Originally Posted by EndallUSDW
All it is telling you is that you are capped out on spell hit because the hit cap for spell is 356.
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Originally Posted by Malan
No, that's not true at all. Stop giving out advice if you don't know basic things like that.
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As far as I am aware, raid buffed with a shadow priest , 356hit is your goal.
He did, in the post directly above yours.
Hit rating required is 367 with IFF (moonkin talent) or Misery (shadowpriest talent). Taken from: Shaman: Enhancement
17% - 446 -- Nothing
16% - 420 -- Draenei
14% - 367 -- IFF or Misery
13% - 341 -- Draenei with IFF or Misery
17% - 446 -- Nothing
16% - 420 -- Draenei
14% - 367 -- IFF or Misery
13% - 341 -- Draenei with IFF or Misery
As you can see, I have no idea where you were pulling 356 from.
EnhSim 1.5.6
1.5.6
-Added talent Shamanism. Adds 0.1 to LB coef and 0.2 to LvB coef with max rank.
-Unrelenting Storm and Storm, Earth and Fire talent's max ranks reduced to 3.
-LvB doesn't reset swing timer if have any MW stack.
-Windfury glyph now increases WF proc chance by 5%.
-Glyph of Lightning bold now increases LB damage by 4%.
-Flame Shock's dot is not affected by spell/fire damage bonuses gotten after the cast.
-Judgement of Wisdom procs from spell damage too. Mana return is 2% from base mana.
-Trinket Thunder Capacitor added.
-Default miss chance lowered to 8%.
-Magma totem added. Config option for rotations is MT.
-Crit reduction implemented. 4.8% for white attacks and 1.8% for yellow.
-ES_SS rotation option added. Cast ES only if there are Stormstrike charges left.
For compiling, boost library is included. Hope it works now.
-Added talent Shamanism. Adds 0.1 to LB coef and 0.2 to LvB coef with max rank.
-Unrelenting Storm and Storm, Earth and Fire talent's max ranks reduced to 3.
-LvB doesn't reset swing timer if have any MW stack.
-Windfury glyph now increases WF proc chance by 5%.
-Glyph of Lightning bold now increases LB damage by 4%.
-Flame Shock's dot is not affected by spell/fire damage bonuses gotten after the cast.
-Judgement of Wisdom procs from spell damage too. Mana return is 2% from base mana.
-Trinket Thunder Capacitor added.
-Default miss chance lowered to 8%.
-Magma totem added. Config option for rotations is MT.
-Crit reduction implemented. 4.8% for white attacks and 1.8% for yellow.
-ES_SS rotation option added. Cast ES only if there are Stormstrike charges left.
For compiling, boost library is included. Hope it works now.
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Thanks for the update Tukez 
Enh_Sim is crashing when I add ES_SS to the rotation
Edited - My bad, forgot to change path to the new enhsim.exe
Enh_Sim is crashing when I add ES_SS to the rotation
Edited - My bad, forgot to change path to the new enhsim.exe
Last edited by Tronso : 01/27/09 at 12:51 PM.
I'm still having issues with bandit's insignia, no clue what could cause the problem, any ideas or fix or something?
Config:
Output:
Config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 75 max_lag 125 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 12 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 2.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 6 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 1 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 2 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 800 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 200 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 ST rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS miss 9.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 11000 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance shadow_resistance armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 144/144 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 156.5 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 29.67 oh_crit 29.67 mh_hit 12.53 oh_hit 12.53 mh_expertise_rating 216 oh_expertise_rating 216 ap 3452 haste 2.99 armor_penetration 2.08 str 141 agi 723 int 349 spi 161 spellpower 1035 spell_crit 22.37 spell_hit 15.67 max_mana 12000 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon axe oh_weapon - trinket1 bandits_insignia trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 earth_shock glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 2/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
arcane_resistance not found from config.
shadow_resistance not found from config.
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MH:
miss 2356252 9.46%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6220540 24.98%
hit 5082566 20.41%
crit 11242132 45.15%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.16%
procs/swings 14.83%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 4429110 51.94%
crit 4098558 48.06%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1997158 52.00%
crit 1843500 48.00%
OH:
miss 2456045 9.46%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6485928 24.99%
hit 5292607 20.39%
crit 11719611 45.15%
OH Windfury:
procs/hits 13.34%
procs/swings 12.40%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 4487002 51.81%
crit 4174126 48.19%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1993612 51.91%
crit 1847046 48.09%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3092563 58.63%
crit 2181733 41.37%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2648488 51.57%
crit 2487033 48.43%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3398489 58.66%
crit 2394776 41.34%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 5200923 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 53.73
flurry uptime 89.50%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 79.13%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 36.34%
oh enchant uptime 41.22%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 18.34%
totem uptime 48.89%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 0.00 0.00%
replenishment 0.00 0.00%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 100.00%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1747.85 -0.44% 84.76
windfury 1150.45 -0.28% 14.32
stormstrike 306.37 -0.07% 6.40 35.27 18.40%
lava lash 151.17 -0.03% 8.56 23.58 12.30%
searing totem 294.83 -0.07% 1.10 5.30 2.77%
earth shock 529.90 -0.13% 8.79 56.81 29.63%
lightning bolt 777.89 -0.19% 9.66 70.74 36.90%
lightning shield 230.32 -0.05% 1.19 0.00 0.00%
misc -395290.22101.33% 1.25
DPS -390101.43
MPS 191.70
MP2min 23003.44
MRPS 9.23
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 23.57s
simulation speed: 1527170x
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Originally Posted by tukez
1.5.6
-Added talent Shamanism. Adds 0.1 to LB coef and 0.2 to LvB coef with max rank. -Unrelenting Storm and Storm, Earth and Fire talent's max ranks reduced to 3. -LvB doesn't reset swing timer if have any MW stack. -Windfury glyph now increases WF proc chance by 5%. -Glyph of Lightning bold now increases LB damage by 4%. -Flame Shock's dot is not affected by spell/fire damage bonuses gotten after the cast. -Judgement of Wisdom procs from spell damage too. Mana return is 2% from base mana. -Trinket Thunder Capacitor added. -Default miss chance lowered to 8%. -Magma totem added. Config option for rotations is MT. -Crit reduction implemented. 4.8% for white attacks and 1.8% for yellow. -ES_SS rotation option added. Cast ES only if there are Stormstrike charges left. For compiling, boost library is included. Hope it works now. |
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Originally Posted by Aximous
I'm still having issues with bandit's insignia, no clue what could cause the problem, any ideas or fix or something?
Output: arcane_resistance not found from config. shadow_resistance not found from config. |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Did you have a chance to update the Earth Shock glyph to the new version, Shocking? Where is reduces the GCD of all shocks to 1 second.
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Originally Posted by tukez
No I didn't. Does the GCD ever go under 1s?
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Tukez did you also incorporate all the changes that made the sim compatible with OS X?
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Originally Posted by Vesham
He did, in the post directly above yours.
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Originally Posted by Atren
Hit rating required is 367 with IFF (moonkin talent) or Misery (shadowpriest talent). Taken from: Shaman: Enhancement
17% - 446 -- Nothing 16% - 420 -- Draenei 14% - 367 -- IFF or Misery 13% - 341 -- Draenei with IFF or Misery |
I honestly have no idea where I got the 356 hit rating, but either way, the logic is the same. Seems I was just mixed up. I'd assume that with 367+hit rating and Misery that you would get the "EP hit goes past cap with spells?" regardless, which at that point you would gem for AP so long as no EP value was over 2.0?
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Originally Posted by tukez
You are missing these from the config.
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Originally Posted by tukez
1.5.6
-Added talent Shamanism. Adds 0.1 to LB coef and 0.2 to LvB coef with max rank. -Unrelenting Storm and Storm, Earth and Fire talent's max ranks reduced to 3. -LvB doesn't reset swing timer if have any MW stack. -Windfury glyph now increases WF proc chance by 5%. -Glyph of Lightning bold now increases LB damage by 4%. -Flame Shock's dot is not affected by spell/fire damage bonuses gotten after the cast. -Judgement of Wisdom procs from spell damage too. Mana return is 2% from base mana. -Trinket Thunder Capacitor added. -Default miss chance lowered to 8%. -Magma totem added. Config option for rotations is MT. -Crit reduction implemented. 4.8% for white attacks and 1.8% for yellow. -ES_SS rotation option added. Cast ES only if there are Stormstrike charges left. For compiling, boost library is included. Hope it works now. |
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Originally Posted by darkInertia
Did LvB revert to be viable for enh shaman with MW? I didn't see anything in the patch notes or on any posts on these forums either.
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Originally Posted by darkInertia
Did LvB revert to be viable for enh shaman with MW? I didn't see anything in the patch notes or on any posts on these forums either.
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It does mean that if you are using a shield in PvP and your mainhand is really slow (and it should always be slow) you could weave a Lava Burst between the swing timer for additional dps but the timing is so tight that it really is only of theoretical interest and probably will not work well in actual practice.
It potentially could be used for an extreme burst attack if you were using a very slow 2-hander. Where you could have a target stunned, hit them with a Flame Shock while moving into melee range and then hit with the 2hander then cast a Lava Burst and then use a Stormstrike. The Lava Burst would crit at the same moment as another white hit along with the stormstrike. Which should be pretty devastating if you can get the timing right, especially if either of the white attacks or the Stormstrike happens to proc a windfury. With a slow 2-hander you may not even need to have a MW charge up before you start since a 3.8 2-hander would have a 63% chance to gain a charge on that initial white hit.
(as you can tell I've been having fun thinking about how to make that all work together in PvP for awhile now)
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Only works if you are using an single weapon with a very slow swing timer. If the cast time intersects either swing time then the swing timer is reset.
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Here's the example from earlier in the thread of cast time clipping the swing:
1.81 sec cast Lava Burst (using WoA to speed up the cast so it's less likely to clip)If the swing timer reset on intersection it would look like this:
3.52 sec swing time
1x Maelstrom, timed to clip:
12/18 10:05:52.958 SWING_DAMAGE
12/18 10:05:53.211 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,"Maelstrom Weapon",0x1,BUFF
12/18 10:05:55.931 SPELL_CAST_START,"Lava Burst"
12/18 10:05:57.748 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Lava Burst"
12/18 10:05:59.766 SWING_DAMAGE
This matches the swing timer free running, and the swing getting clipped.
first_swing + 2 * swing_time = 05:52.96 + 2 * 3.52 = 06:00.00
05:55.931 + 1.81 + 3.52 = 6:01.261
Anyway, I believe the sim models this correctly now (I'll double check tonight).
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Originally Posted by Malan
Tukez did you also incorporate all the changes that made the sim compatible with OS X?
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Yah I'm not able to get it to compile at the moment, it's complaining that it can't find the boost lib no matter where I seem to put it. Working on it though.
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Last edited by grouch : 01/28/09 at 6:37 AM. Reason: Answered in another thread.
Did the identifying of items (eg: trinkets) by item id make it into this build?
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I feel as if I may be doing something wrong. I installed the new EnhSim and ran a few tests on rotations. My dps actually goes up if my priority is MW5_LB > ES_SS > ES > SS, over MW5_LB > ES_SS > SS > ES. This essentially makes ES_SS worthless. Can anyone tell me if I am doing something wrong?
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 SR miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.98 oh_crit 30.98 mh_hit 10.77 oh_hit 10.77 mh_expertise_rating 211 oh_expertise_rating 211 ap 3766 haste 4.15 armor_penetration 2 str 129 agi 816 int 508 spi 153 spellpower 1129 spell_crit 23.52 spell_hit 13.46 max_mana 11736 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Last edited by ncervantes : 01/28/09 at 3:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by ncervantes
I feel as if I may be doing something wrong. I installed the new EnhSim and ran a few tests on rotations. My dps actually goes up if my priority is MW5_LB > ES_SS > ES > SS, over MW5_LB > ES_SS > SS > ES. This essentially makes ES_SS worthless. Can anyone tell me if I am doing something wrong?
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This might explain what you're seen here
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Originally Posted by Tronso
I have imp stormstrike 2/2 and I've actually seen a few rare cases of all 4 charges getting eaten up with earth shock off CD before stormstrike CD came back up. I'm guessing it was from back to back Static Shock procs
This might explain what you're seen here |
I might be able to explain this. On longer fights, as you settle into a general spell rotation. If your MW_LB aren't interfering with your SS or ES cooldowns for a little while, you'll notice that ES will consistently come up 0.5s of less before SS. Using SS as a strict priority, this will lock your ES into an 8s CD, which will lower your DPS. If you sneak that ES in just before your SS, you push back the SS for 1-1.5s, but you unsync the CDs, and it lets you use ES on the 6s CD again. Depending on the frequency of MW procs, it sometimes takes care of this for you, but it is something I've noticed from wailing on bosses week in week out. Hope this helps.
Tukez, would it be possible to include the Engineering Glove enchants as options under "misc items" on the "Consumables and Buffs" panel of the GUI?
The specifics of the Glove Enchants are
Hyperspeed Accelerators - Spell - World of Warcraft
Except that the cooldown is 1 minute not 2 minutes (so 340 haste rating for 10 seconds every minute, can be synced with bloodlust along with trinkets)
and
Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket - Spell - World of Warcraft
The pyro rocket counts as a physical attack doing double damage on crits (affected by relentless meta) and the attack activates the GCD. Does not scale with AP or Spellpower.
The specifics of the Glove Enchants are
Hyperspeed Accelerators - Spell - World of Warcraft
Except that the cooldown is 1 minute not 2 minutes (so 340 haste rating for 10 seconds every minute, can be synced with bloodlust along with trinkets)
and
Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket - Spell - World of Warcraft
The pyro rocket counts as a physical attack doing double damage on crits (affected by relentless meta) and the attack activates the GCD. Does not scale with AP or Spellpower.
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Originally Posted by Nevets_69
I might be able to explain this. On longer fights, as you settle into a general spell rotation. If your MW_LB aren't interfering with your SS or ES cooldowns for a little while, you'll notice that ES will consistently come up 0.5s of less before SS. Using SS as a strict priority, this will lock your ES into an 8s CD, which will lower your DPS. If you sneak that ES in just before your SS, you push back the SS for 1-1.5s, but you unsync the CDs, and it lets you use ES on the 6s CD again. Depending on the frequency of MW procs, it sometimes takes care of this for you, but it is something I've noticed from wailing on bosses week in week out. Hope this helps.
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Last edited by ncervantes : 01/28/09 at 6:05 PM.
It would, unless your SS charges are always being consumed, not sure how, but would explain the behavior.
Are there any plans about integrating Feral Spirit into the sim?
By the way what's the top DPS on Patchwerk so far seen?
By the way what's the top DPS on Patchwerk so far seen?
Rough night for us, new recruits. I did get D/C'd on gothik and unfortunate web wraps on Maexx, but here is some additional magma totem feedback for anyone still not convinced by the other posts going around.
Wow Web Stats
I mean it is seriously screaming nerf right now for 25's where mana isn't an issue, a little more difficult to pull off in 10s though. Enhance DPS was already pretty damn good and this kind of just.. yah... I feel like we're about to feel some nerfs! QQ
Wow Web Stats
I mean it is seriously screaming nerf right now for 25's where mana isn't an issue, a little more difficult to pull off in 10s though. Enhance DPS was already pretty damn good and this kind of just.. yah... I feel like we're about to feel some nerfs! QQ
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Originally Posted by Duscha
Are there any plans about integrating Feral Spirit into the sim?
By the way what's the top DPS on Patchwerk so far seen? |
WMO - Shaman Page is all the fights currently available and the shaman dps.
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Originally Posted by kaoticz
Rough night for us, new recruits. I did get D/C'd on gothik and unfortunate web wraps on Maexx, but here is some additional magma totem feedback for anyone still not convinced by the other posts going around.
Wow Web Stats I mean it is seriously screaming nerf right now for 25's where mana isn't an issue, a little more difficult to pull off in 10s though. Enhance DPS was already pretty damn good and this kind of just.. yah... I feel like we're about to feel some nerfs! QQ |
Magma totem is +3% dps over searing at single target fight if there is no movement at all. It cost extra 235mp5. If you have to redrop it all the time then you will lose GCD or totem uptime (extra mana also) and both hurts overall dps. Your WWS show that you used magma totem with very good uptime and that lowered your other attacks like lightning bolt damage greatly.
Magma totem is great for patcwerk if you got gear for sustain it but it's not that hot at all when there is even little movement. Maybe they should fix searing totem if they want wood imp to be better for single targets.
Hi everybody. I read EJ forums on Enhancement Shaman since almost a year now.
Let me introduce myself a little, I'm a french programmer since 10 years. I wrote myself a Simulator for Enh Shamans too since at the time I did it I wasn't satistied by the existing ones. And it lets you do some fun stuff like changing the WF proc chance to see the DPS increase ;o).
But (there is always a but ^^), I now use yours since it's ok for me and more user friendly with the GUI. However I have noticed a bug in the Lava lash computation. Your lava lash damage is way lower what it should be. Simply because if you trace the code you apply mitigation from armor to LL damage. Or LL damage is fire damage and shoudn't suffer from physical mitigation.
And by the way, sorry if my English is not so good ;o).
Let me introduce myself a little, I'm a french programmer since 10 years. I wrote myself a Simulator for Enh Shamans too since at the time I did it I wasn't satistied by the existing ones. And it lets you do some fun stuff like changing the WF proc chance to see the DPS increase ;o).
But (there is always a but ^^), I now use yours since it's ok for me and more user friendly with the GUI. However I have noticed a bug in the Lava lash computation. Your lava lash damage is way lower what it should be. Simply because if you trace the code you apply mitigation from armor to LL damage. Or LL damage is fire damage and shoudn't suffer from physical mitigation.
And by the way, sorry if my English is not so good ;o).
First off thanks for the simulator I really enjoy it and appreciate the effort put into making it available to use. I am sure it is something rather simple that I am missing, but it relates to the latest revision of the simulator. I noticed you added the thunder_capacitor in the pulldown menu of the gui. When I select the thunder_capacitor as one of the trinkets and run the simulator the first line of the output returns "trinket thunder_capacitor not found". Just curious if this is a known problem that has a simple fix.
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Last edited by Psychodays : 01/29/09 at 10:17 AM.
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Originally Posted by Windgyver
But (there is always a but ^^), I now use yours since it's ok for me and more user friendly with the GUI. However I have noticed a bug in the Lava lash computation. Your lava lash damage is way lower what it should be. Simply because if you trace the code you apply mitigation from armor to LL damage. Or LL damage is fire damage and shoudn't suffer from physical mitigation.
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Originally Posted by Fola
First off thanks for the simulator I really enjoy it and appreciate the effort put into making it available to use. I am sure it is something rather simple that I am missing, but it relates to the latest revision of the simulator. I noticed you added the thunder_capacitor in the pulldown menu of the gui. When I select the thunder_capacitor as one of the trinkets and run the simulator the first line of the output returns "trinket thunder_capacitor not found". Just curious if this is a known problem that has a simple fix.
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You can change it by editing the path down in the lower right corner just above the Donate button
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Originally Posted by Tronso
It sounds like its using the wrong enhsim.exe
You can change it by editing the path down in the lower right corner just above the Donate button |
Thanks! will give it a try after work.
I was playing around with chardev for a few hours looking for easy upgrades and simmed my gear right now and tried totem of hex and dps was 1 less then with my totem of dueling, then i changed a few pieces of my gear and decided to try totem of hex with these changes and Totem Of Hex was accually a huge upgrade there.
I also simmed Angry Dead with my gear right now and getting lower numbers then with my Sinister's Revenge, and playing around with glyphs finding that LS, SS, WF is still best for me at the moment so no changes there. I also still found the Webbed Death is best in slot for me.
I also simmed Angry Dead with my gear right now and getting lower numbers then with my Sinister's Revenge, and playing around with glyphs finding that LS, SS, WF is still best for me at the moment so no changes there. I also still found the Webbed Death is best in slot for me.
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Originally Posted by SentinelBorg
Have you also seen, whether it is benefiting from magic dam debuffs on the mob, like Ebon Plague?
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I have a question concerning [Thunder Capacitor]. I wondered how do you exactly calculate the damage of the trinket in the sim, because I noticed some differences between the wording of the tooltip and what's actually happening ingame.
The tooltip says, that you release the bolt when you get four charges, but ingame you release the bolt when you got four charges on the next spellcrit. Furthermore the tooltip says, that you can only get one charge every 2,5 seconds, which isn't true because I got 133 charges at Loatheb in a 3:42 min fight. (1 charge per 1,67 sec)
The tooltip says, that you release the bolt when you get four charges, but ingame you release the bolt when you got four charges on the next spellcrit. Furthermore the tooltip says, that you can only get one charge every 2,5 seconds, which isn't true because I got 133 charges at Loatheb in a 3:42 min fight. (1 charge per 1,67 sec)
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Originally Posted by IMB111
I have a question concerning [Thunder Capacitor]. I wondered how do you exactly calculate the damage of the trinket in the sim, because I noticed some differences between the wording of the tooltip and what's actually happening ingame.
The tooltip says, that you release the bolt when you get four charges, but ingame you release the bolt when you got four charges on the next spellcrit. Furthermore the tooltip says, that you can only get one charge every 2,5 seconds, which isn't true because I got 133 charges at Loatheb in a 3:42 min fight. (1 charge per 1,67 sec) |
It looks like the might have been a change in the behavior of the trinket in the patch. This is what the combatlog looked like before patch 3.0.8:
20:00'58.751 Tramana gains Thunder Charge.and now:
20:00'59.940 Tramana gains Thunder Charge (2).
20:01'00.760 Tramana gains Thunder Charge (3).
20:01'01.801 Tramana Lightning Bolt hits Archavon the Stone Watcher for 1254 Nature. (139 Resisted)
20:03'52.236 Tramana gains Thunder Charge.Since they nerfed the trinket we probably want to retest all of its mechanics to see where it stands now.
20:03'53.178 Tramana gains Thunder Charge (2).
20:03'53.691 Tramana gains Thunder Charge (3).
20:03'54.122 Tramana gains Thunder Charge (4).
20:03'56.331 Tramana Lightning Bolt hits Archavon the Stone Watcher for 1048 Nature. (262 Resisted)
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Can someone please tell me why i am getting negative values for haste? Here is my config for EP.
ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 1 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
Can someone please tell me why i am getting negative values for haste? Here is my config for EP.
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| During simulation though you will notice that as you approach 1.5 weapon speed when using windfury that the value of haste will decrease sharply. This will continue to occur until you have enough passive haste to push your weapon speed beyond that slight dip. This occurs when the sim finds that adding haste pushes you into speeds where windfury procs are reduced because of swing times. |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Just change EP_haste_rating to a negative number and it should give you a more accurate value for haste EP.
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ok why is the enhsim saying that I'm over the expertise and hit cap when I'm not!?
I've posted a screen of what it looks like here:
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and here is my config.txt
I've posted a screen of what it looks like here:
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and here is my config.txt
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 10000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 150 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 300 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 0 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 2 //{ 0 | 1 | 2 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 5
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SS
rotation_priority3 ES
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 MT
rotation_priority6 LL
rotation_priority7 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
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miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 25.00 //%
armor 13083
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 //%, bloody frenzy, 2nd talent spec TBA
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of elements, totem of wrath
spellpower_buff 280/280 //focus magic, improved divine spirit, flametongue totem, demonic pact
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
misc_item drums_of_battle
// { drums_of_battle | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
###############################
## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ##
###############################
race tauren
mh_speed 2.50
oh_speed 1.80
mh_dps 156.6
oh_dps 171.1
mh_crit 32.58
oh_crit 32.58
mh_hit 11.16
oh_hit 11.16
mh_expertise_rating 196.00
oh_expertise_rating 196.00
ap 3510
haste 3.87
armor_penetration 0.00
str 133
agi 775
int 491
spi 153
spellpower 1327
spell_crit 27.50
spell_hit 13.95
max_mana 11481
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant mongoose
mh_weapon -
oh_enchant berserking
oh_weapon -
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 meteorite_whetstone
totem totem_of_dueling
set_bonus - ## not currently available in the addon export
metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 stormstrike
glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon
glyph_major4 - ## slot empty
glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
#############
## Talents ##
#############
ancestral_knowledge 3/5
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by supermantwo
ok why is the enhsim saying that I'm over the expertise and hit cap when I'm not!?
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If you add 4 expertise (32.79 expertise rating) to your 196 expertise rating you end up ~14 points over the cap which means those 14 points are doing nothing for your dps so it will screw up your EP calculations.
Same thing applies to your hit rating but to a lesser degree since the cap is only the spell hit cap and any +hit over that cap will still apply towards your white damage.
Maybe the sim should just automagically do this for people now, as we're having to explain this every day week after week.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Maybe the sim should just automagically do this for people now, as we're having to explain this every day week after week.
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*Drop the MH/OH distinctions for hit/crit/expertise, as far as I can tell these are legacy stats and are no longer applicable.
*Drop the spell/melee distinction, ask just for rating. Any modifiers come from talents which are already asked for and can be applied behind the scenes.
*Convert everything to either rating or value, right now they are mix and match which causes some confusion.
*Drop spirit.
And as Malan said, magical EP value ranges which switch to negative when over cap.
There may be good reason why these are all still in, but as far as I can tell these are mostly changes which wouldn't affect outcome.
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Originally Posted by Protico
*Drop the MH/OH distinctions for hit/crit/expertise, as far as I can tell these are legacy stats and are no longer applicable.
There may be good reason why these are all still in, but as far as I can tell these are mostly changes which wouldn't affect outcome. |
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Originally Posted by Protico
There are a few things which it could do which might reduce the number of questions asked here, and although this forum isn't about pandering to people who don't read the manual, it might be worth considering. Here are a few of them:
*Drop the MH/OH distinctions for hit/crit/expertise, as far as I can tell these are legacy stats and are no longer applicable. *Drop the spell/melee distinction, ask just for rating. Any modifiers come from talents which are already asked for and can be applied behind the scenes. *Convert everything to either rating or value, right now they are mix and match which causes some confusion. *Drop spirit. And as Malan said, magical EP value ranges which switch to negative when over cap. There may be good reason why these are all still in, but as far as I can tell these are mostly changes which wouldn't affect outcome. |
Especially when it comes to EP steps, I really like being able to adjust these manually. I can or remove haste with the step size, as well as vary the amount. Both options change the results considerably. Simming our stats is more than just inputting our gear and getting out EP values.
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Originally Posted by Shabadu
MH/OH expertise is of some significant value when it comes to Orcs with axe options, of which there are relatively few viable combinations currently. Pretty much only The Key when it comes to one handed axes.
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He added an option under the "Procs and Stuff" panel to tell the Sim if you are using an Axe in the main or offhand and since the Sim is set up to also know whether you are an Orc, I would assume that telling it you are using an Axe in a certain spot, when you have told it that you are an Orc, will adjust the expertise value for that spot.
As for Values versus Rating. For expertise it really needs to use Expertise, not expertise rating, in the EP calculations since otherwise it is going to end up adding a large degree of inaccuracy. This is because Expertise only works in 0.25% chunks, which is equal to 1 expertise or ~8.179 expertise rating. If you were to have it using rating for EP calculations and if your value ends up between the "chunks" then a portion of it is actually doing nothing. Which will then reduce the EP value you would obtain for expertise rating.
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Originally Posted by Nevets_69
As noted in the post above me, the MH/OH distinction is important for orc shamans. But further to this, if you make all the changes you've suggested, you remove a lot of the power of the sim for those of us who actually know what we're doing. The ability to increase spell hit/crit only to see the effect on DPS is useful to know whether crit rating is really more valuable than agility. Sure you can sim out the infinite combinations that you're interested in, but the ability to look at individual stat interactions helps us gain a better understanding how our stats affect our DPS.
Especially when it comes to EP steps, I really like being able to adjust these manually. I can or remove haste with the step size, as well as vary the amount. Both options change the results considerably. Simming our stats is more than just inputting our gear and getting out EP values. |
Re: Spell hit/crit: I am not suggesting any changes to your ability to adjust hit or crit or agility independently, merely that if you enter your hit rating there is an equation to determine spell hit from it, likewise for crit, entering them twice is redundant. I am not sure what benefit being able to adjust spell hit vs melee hit is any longer, since the hit merger there aren't any items I can think of which are viable and provide spell only benefits.
Re: Orcs: As has been said, the race is covered and whether or not axes are equipped is covered, it is redundant.
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Originally Posted by Protico
Re: Stepping: I am not suggesting that gets changed at all, just the input stats.
Re: Spell hit/crit: I am not suggesting any changes to your ability to adjust hit or crit or agility independently, merely that if you enter your hit rating there is an equation to determine spell hit from it, likewise for crit, entering them twice is redundant. I am not sure what benefit being able to adjust spell hit vs melee hit is any longer, since the hit merger there aren't any items I can think of which are viable and provide spell only benefits. Re: Orcs: As has been said, the race is covered and whether or not axes are equipped is covered, it is redundant. |
What if they make an offhand Claw in Ulduar with an equip bonus that makes it so that it can't be parried or dodged. The equip bonus is such that it only applies to the offhand. Currently I would be able to just increase the Offhand expertise value so that dodge would be removed from the table, leaving the mainhand expertise at it's real value. This would allow me to see how Expertise's EP value would be affected by equipping such a weapon and I would be able to make informed choices based on that information. If the Sim was "dumbed down" like you are requesting it would require Tukez to rewrite the Sim to incorporate a special modifier just for that weapon.
What if there is a boss encounter with switching debuffs, one that increases spell hit by 10% and decreases melee hit by 10% and then reverses. Or a boss with a AoE cloud that makes melee attacks 25% less likely to hit. Or a boss that spells will never miss on. Etc etc etc. There are many things that the developers could incorporate into their boss encounters that the current open ended framework of the Sim will allow us to recreate and utilize to maximize our performance. If the Sim is dumbed down however, that would no longer be true and while it would remain an incredible tool it would lose a lot of versatility at the same time.
Hopefully Levva will have success with his plan to allow the use of Rawr's UI framework to gear out your shaman and then "export" the Rawr saved file into Enhsim for simulation. Then we will have the simplification you are arguing for and at the same time keep the versatility that is so useful to others who possess a deeper understanding of the Sim's potential.
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Expertise cap & negative EP value
Regarding expertise cap I've heard everybody saying that you just set the expertise EP to a negative value before starting the sim. However if you set your current expertise rating to 214 and try to set the EP value to -4 the GUI info will still tell you that you are over the cap and will skip the EP calculation of expertise if you run the EP calculation through the GUI.
Currently I either just set my rating to 213 or use the commandline calculation instead where 214 expertise rating and an EP value of -4 seems to work just fine, not skipping EP calculation and giving you a negative EP value of expertise as expected.
Is this a bug in the GUI or am I missing something?
Edit: Never mind, turns out it won't skip the test but just warn you that you are over the cap. I must have ran the sim using value 4 and not -4 when I noticed it skipping. Sorry about that.
Currently I either just set my rating to 213 or use the commandline calculation instead where 214 expertise rating and an EP value of -4 seems to work just fine, not skipping EP calculation and giving you a negative EP value of expertise as expected.
Is this a bug in the GUI or am I missing something?
Edit: Never mind, turns out it won't skip the test but just warn you that you are over the cap. I must have ran the sim using value 4 and not -4 when I noticed it skipping. Sorry about that.
Last edited by Blazeflack : 02/02/09 at 3:32 AM.
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I currently get a bug when running 1.5.6, an "unhandled exception error":
I can click continue and the sim loads, but I thought I'd report the error here (and hopefully get pointed to a fix, however, noone else seems to have this problem).
EDIT: Rounced's suggestion worked, thanks for the tip.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index and length must refer to a location within the string.
Parameter name: length
at System.String.InternalSubStringWithChecks(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length, Boolean fAlwaysCopy)
at System.String.Substring(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.readConfigFile(SByte* filename)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.MainForm_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
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mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
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enhsimgui
Assembly Version: 1.0.3314.31736
Win32 Version:
CodeBase: file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Rene/Desktop/EnhSim1.5.6/enhsimgui.exe
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msvcm90
Assembly Version: 9.0.30729.1
Win32 Version: 9.00.30729.1
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/WinSxS/x86_Microsoft.VC90.CRT_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.1_x-ww_6f74963e/msvcm90.dll
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Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
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The application must also be compiled with debugging
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EDIT: Rounced's suggestion worked, thanks for the tip.
Last edited by Bellante : 02/03/09 at 10:19 AM.
Did you to load your config file from 1.5 and try to run it with 1.5.6? I got that error doing that and then I just deleted my old 1.5 folder and started over with a new Config and everything has worked fine since.
Does anyone know why I might be seeing no increase in DPS when I include weapon enchants in my sims? I get DPS values that vary by no more than 2 when I run sims with and without weapon enchants.
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Originally Posted by Chrizz
Does anyone know why I might be seeing no increase in DPS when I include weapon enchants in my sims? I get DPS values that vary by no more than 2 when I run sims with and without weapon enchants.
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Edited to add: just did some testing with my config and the weapon enchants seem to be working as intended.
Last edited by Rouncer : 02/03/09 at 3:35 PM.
Hello, I'm new to the EnhSim and to the forum in general, and I'm having some problems with installation. I started downloading (from bottom to top) the list of items in enhsim - Google Code link.
I had no problem with EnhSim0.1.0.rar
Extracting EnhSim0.1.0source.rar gave me this error
EnhSim0.1.0_including_debug.rar was ok
compile_instructions_v1.txt was ok
When I tried extracting EnhSim0.1.1.rar I got
Any others that I tried extracting keep giving me errors like those. Obviously I'm doing something work, can anyone help me out?
I had no problem with EnhSim0.1.0.rar
Extracting EnhSim0.1.0source.rar gave me this error
! SFMT: The file "SFMT" header is corrupt
compile_instructions_v1.txt was ok
When I tried extracting EnhSim0.1.1.rar I got
! source\boost\config\abi: The file "source\boost\config\abi" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\compiler: The file "source\boost\config\compiler" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\no_tr1: The file "source\boost\config\no_tr1" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\platform: The file "source\boost\config\platform" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\stdlib: The file "source\boost\config\stdlib" header is corrupt ! source\boost\pool\detail: The file "source\boost\pool\detail" header is corrupt ! source\boost\type_traits\detail: The file "source\boost\type_traits\detail" header is corrupt ! source\boost\type_traits\msvc: The file "source\boost\type_traits\msvc" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config: The file "source\boost\config" header is corrupt ! source\boost\detail: The file "source\boost\detail" header is corrupt ! source\boost\pool: The file "source\boost\pool" header is corrupt ! source\boost\type_traits: The file "source\boost\type_traits" header is corrupt ! source\boost: The file "source\boost" header is corrupt ! source\SFMT: The file "source\SFMT" header is corrupt ! combatlog_version: The file "combatlog_version" header is corrupt ! source: The file "source" header is corrupt
Just as a hint, you probably don't want to download the oldest and most out of date version of the sim. Getting the current version would probably be a big help.
If I try to download the most recent .rar, I get
! source\boost\config\abi: The file "source\boost\config\abi" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\compiler: The file "source\boost\config\compiler" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\no_tr1: The file "source\boost\config\no_tr1" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\platform: The file "source\boost\config\platform" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config\stdlib: The file "source\boost\config\stdlib" header is corrupt ! source\boost\pool\detail: The file "source\boost\pool\detail" header is corrupt ! source\boost\type_traits\detail: The file "source\boost\type_traits\detail" header is corrupt ! source\boost\type_traits\msvc: The file "source\boost\type_traits\msvc" header is corrupt ! source\boost\config: The file "source\boost\config" header is corrupt ! source\boost\detail: The file "source\boost\detail" header is corrupt ! source\boost\pool: The file "source\boost\pool" header is corrupt ! source\boost\type_traits: The file "source\boost\type_traits" header is corrupt ! source\boost: The file "source\boost" header is corrupt ! source\SFMT: The file "source\SFMT" header is corrupt ! source: The file "source" header is corrupt ! combatlog_version: The file "combatlog_version" header is corrupt
You're doing something wrong with the download or the unpack then.
did you download and install the .net framework necessary to make it run?
Right. I saw that the linux section on EnhSim: Compiling and building EnhSim is empty so I figured that I'd make a blob of what I do to compile EnhSim. Did this on my new EEE so none of the old library magic I did on previous versions should be present(and jesus this keyboard is tiny).
ZThread
1. Download ZThread from http://zthread.sourceforge.net/download.html
2, Unpack and change into the new directory.
3. ZThread seems to do some stunts which gcc doesn't like, so do: export CXXFLAGS="-fpermissive"
4. ./configure && make && sudo make install
ZThread should now be installed under /usr/local.
Boost
I cheated hee and just installed Ubuntu's binaries.
1. sudo apt-get install libboost-dev
~150MB, but I have no idea what parts EnhSim uses and gcc gets bitchy without the binaries. After this, boost should be done.
EnhSim
1. Unpack and move into the source sub-dir
2. g++ -pthread -I./boost *.cpp /usr/local/lib/libZThread.a -o enhsim
Something is changed since earlier releases as I had to work a bit to get gcc to accept boost, but the above works. Use the binary like the wintendo client: ./enhsim config.txt.
I haven't fiddled with OSX in a while, but I see no reason this shouldn't work with a gcc environment set up. It is a UNIX after all.
TODO:
Optimizations - The client is slower than the pre-built binary. Maybe -O2 or 3 is enough. Have to test it on a proper machine.
ZThread
1. Download ZThread from http://zthread.sourceforge.net/download.html
2, Unpack and change into the new directory.
3. ZThread seems to do some stunts which gcc doesn't like, so do: export CXXFLAGS="-fpermissive"
4. ./configure && make && sudo make install
ZThread should now be installed under /usr/local.
Boost
I cheated hee and just installed Ubuntu's binaries.
1. sudo apt-get install libboost-dev
~150MB, but I have no idea what parts EnhSim uses and gcc gets bitchy without the binaries. After this, boost should be done.
EnhSim
1. Unpack and move into the source sub-dir
2. g++ -pthread -I./boost *.cpp /usr/local/lib/libZThread.a -o enhsim
Something is changed since earlier releases as I had to work a bit to get gcc to accept boost, but the above works. Use the binary like the wintendo client: ./enhsim config.txt.
I haven't fiddled with OSX in a while, but I see no reason this shouldn't work with a gcc environment set up. It is a UNIX after all.
TODO:
Optimizations - The client is slower than the pre-built binary. Maybe -O2 or 3 is enough. Have to test it on a proper machine.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Asking a question like this without including a config file and telling us what weapon enchants you are attempting to add is like calling your Doctor on the phone and asking them to diagnose what ails you without an examination.
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Here is my config file, I've retested using no weapon enchants, using Mong/Mong, using Zerk/Zerk, using Zerk/Mong and using Mong/Zerk. All the results show no more than a 1 DPS difference.
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 70 ep_crit_rating 40 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 2 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 30 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 50 ep_mp5 10 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 FS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 156.5 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 27.73 oh_crit 27.73 mh_hit 8.42 oh_hit 8.42 mh_expertise_rating 195 oh_expertise_rating 195 ap 3607 haste 5.43 armor_penetration 0 str 129 agi 747 int 480 spi 152 spellpower 1040 spell_crit 22.93 spell_hit 10.52 max_mana 11466 mp5 92 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - oh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 incisor_fragment trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 2/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
mh_enchant - oh_enchant -
I see that its in the Shock and Awe section that you cut/pasted - you might have an older version of SAA that wasn't parsing the weapon enchants correctly.
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Originally Posted by Malan
According to that, you have no enchants on your weapons. Did you just blank it out after messing with it, or did you really not set it?
I see that its in the Shock and Awe section that you cut/pasted - you might have an older version of SAA that wasn't parsing the weapon enchants correctly. |
Edit: I wish I could say what has changed, but for seemingly no reason I am seeing results from adding different weapon enchants to my sims after recopying the config I posted.
Last edited by Chrizz : 02/04/09 at 3:29 PM.
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Originally Posted by Chrizz
I purposefully left the weapon enchants blank for now, I did sim using weapon enchants though. I didn't use SAA to load my stats I entered them manually.
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Running with your exact setup (dropped hours to 1000 but everything else the same) - 4751.96dps
Adding Mainhand Berzerker enchant (no OH enchant) - 4828.41dps
Changing MH Berzerker to Mongoose (no OH enchant) - 4811.46
Running with Berzerker on MH and OH - 4895.63
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I'm currently using [Wraith Strike]+[Webbed Death] for my weapons.
I decided to see how much of an upgrade Calamity's Grasp would be if I replaced my Wraith Strike with everything else being the same and to my surprise enhsim is showing Calamity's Grasp as a slight downgrade instead, but only by a few dps difference though
Config with my current stats with lag set to 0 and combat length 3 min
6138 dps
Config with Wraith Strike swapped out for Calamity's Grasp
6129.65
I also simed my personal BiS setup I put together while ago and Wraith is also coming ahead but very slightly
Thundering Capacitor is simming for higher then it should be, it now discharges on the 5th stack rather then the 4th stack like it used to.
In other words it discharges after 5 spell crits rather then 4
I decided to see how much of an upgrade Calamity's Grasp would be if I replaced my Wraith Strike with everything else being the same and to my surprise enhsim is showing Calamity's Grasp as a slight downgrade instead, but only by a few dps difference though
Config with my current stats with lag set to 0 and combat length 3 min
6138 dps
simulation_time 20000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 LL miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 90.3 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 32.11 oh_crit 32.11 mh_hit 10.49 oh_hit 10.49 mh_expertise_rating 219 oh_expertise_rating 219 ap 3663 haste 3.42 armor_penetration 4.55 str 131 agi 868 int 555 spi 153 spellpower 1559 spell_crit 24.30 spell_hit 13.11 max_mana 12441 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
6129.65
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 LL miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 32.67 oh_crit 32.67 mh_hit 10.49 oh_hit 10.49 mh_expertise_rating 219 oh_expertise_rating 219 ap 3753 haste 2.84 armor_penetration 4.55 str 131 agi 904 int 511 spi 153 spellpower 1126 spell_crit 24.16 spell_hit 13.11 max_mana 11781 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Thundering Capacitor is simming for higher then it should be, it now discharges on the 5th stack rather then the 4th stack like it used to.
In other words it discharges after 5 spell crits rather then 4
Last edited by Tronso : 02/04/09 at 7:31 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tronso
I'm currently using [Wraith Strike]+[Webbed Death] for my weapons.
I decided to see how much of an upgrade Calamity's Grasp would be if I replaced my Wraith Strike with everything else being the same and to my surprise enhsim is showing Calamity's Grasp as a slight downgrade instead, but only be a few dps difference though |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Add the lag back in and CG will be better then WS since autoattacks are unaffected by server latency.
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5998.19 with Wraith Strike
5996.40 with Calamity's Grasp
300-350 lag
5935.56 with Wraith Strike
5934.93 with Calamity's Grasp
The difference got allot smaller and I'm sure if I set the lag even higher CG would pull ahead.
Calamity's Grasp has never dropped for my guild and after seeing the sim results I went ahead and replaced the mongoose on my Wraith Strike with Berserking
Last edited by Tronso : 02/04/09 at 8:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Are you serious?
Magma totem is +3% dps over searing at single target fight if there is no movement at all. It cost extra 235mp5. If you have to redrop it all the time then you will lose GCD or totem uptime (extra mana also) and both hurts overall dps. Your WWS show that you used magma totem with very good uptime and that lowered your other attacks like lightning bolt damage greatly. Magma totem is great for patcwerk if you got gear for sustain it but it's not that hot at all when there is even little movement. Maybe they should fix searing totem if they want wood imp to be better for single targets. |
However, during the encounters I only ever once or twice found myself in the position where I dropped a MT right as MW went to a 5 stack at the same time. Other than that, in order to keep the uptime on magma totem, I was actually redropping it before its full duration was up so that it would NOT intersect with other GCD's as best as possible (very very few times sacrificing lava lash to redrop it). When I say redropping it before its full duration, I mean anywhere from 4 to 8 seconds before it expired, sometimes 10 if needed.
Last edited by kaoticz : 02/05/09 at 7:56 PM. Reason: spelling
Some good news about Rawr -> EnhSim
I've had a chat with the Rawr co-ordinator and he is now happy for the Rawr.Enhance module to include an export to EnhSim option as long as the work on the Enhance module proceeds at the same time. Ideally he would like to see the Rawr.Enhance module used by the majority of users who want basic accurate results, and for the elite who want to check things more in depth he is happy for the Rawr.Enhance module to have an export to EnhSim option. Thus my idea for writing a separate java module is unnecessary I can look at incorporating the export into the Rawr module.
For users here this means you could run Rawr import your stats from the Armory, play around with different items in different slots and get reasonable figures from Rawr. You could then export the data to Enh Sim and get more detailed analysis. Play around some more - export again - and test again. It should make swapping out different items a whole lot easier.
It might even be possible with some help from Tukez to set up communication EnhSim so that the Rawr module could write the config to a file that EnhSim would use. This would probably require splitting the character data config from the sim, raid, buff & proc data config. The idea would simply be to eliminate the cut n paste operation in between. Initally doing the work via cut n paste manually would be simplest as it requires no changes at the EnhSim end. Longer term a degree of automation of the process would be desirable.
The biggest challenge in all this is that my C++ is exceptionally rusty, having last coded using that at least 8 years ago. The Rawr stuff is all in Visual Studio which I have but am unfamiliar with so it may take some time. Toots said he was working on the main module to get the stats right, hopefully I can integrate with that and add the export option.
If nothing else we would have two calculations of stats which we could compare one with the other to see where any major differences lie. The major downfall of Rawr of course is that it doesn't attempt to simulate different timings of stuff WF in particular with its internal CD only raw dps calcs. However the basics should be possible to give ballpark comparisons of the output.
For users here this means you could run Rawr import your stats from the Armory, play around with different items in different slots and get reasonable figures from Rawr. You could then export the data to Enh Sim and get more detailed analysis. Play around some more - export again - and test again. It should make swapping out different items a whole lot easier.
It might even be possible with some help from Tukez to set up communication EnhSim so that the Rawr module could write the config to a file that EnhSim would use. This would probably require splitting the character data config from the sim, raid, buff & proc data config. The idea would simply be to eliminate the cut n paste operation in between. Initally doing the work via cut n paste manually would be simplest as it requires no changes at the EnhSim end. Longer term a degree of automation of the process would be desirable.
The biggest challenge in all this is that my C++ is exceptionally rusty, having last coded using that at least 8 years ago. The Rawr stuff is all in Visual Studio which I have but am unfamiliar with so it may take some time. Toots said he was working on the main module to get the stats right, hopefully I can integrate with that and add the export option.
If nothing else we would have two calculations of stats which we could compare one with the other to see where any major differences lie. The major downfall of Rawr of course is that it doesn't attempt to simulate different timings of stuff WF in particular with its internal CD only raw dps calcs. However the basics should be possible to give ballpark comparisons of the output.
SAA and Enhsim
I want to start off by saying thank you for all the work that has been done here. I play in an endgame guild, and use this site regularly as a way to better my play. Wonderful stuff keep it up, and I will do my part to contribute what I've found now as well.
My question is to why I'm recieving an error when I try to import my config file from SAA. I copy it, and put it into wordpad, and save as a .txt. When I try and open it with the enhance sim I get an error, and it won't let me continue. I mainly stick to manually entering all my stats, but this is getting kind of old. I'm also using the most current version of both the addon and the sim. Any help would be appreciated.
If I'm understanding correctly, Levva you're looking to build a program in which works with enhsim to make inputing different gear set-ups easier? This would be amazing, and would help greatly in deciding whats best for each of us. If there is anything I can do let me know, but I'm not a programmer so keep that in mind.
My question is to why I'm recieving an error when I try to import my config file from SAA. I copy it, and put it into wordpad, and save as a .txt. When I try and open it with the enhance sim I get an error, and it won't let me continue. I mainly stick to manually entering all my stats, but this is getting kind of old. I'm also using the most current version of both the addon and the sim. Any help would be appreciated.
If I'm understanding correctly, Levva you're looking to build a program in which works with enhsim to make inputing different gear set-ups easier? This would be amazing, and would help greatly in deciding whats best for each of us. If there is anything I can do let me know, but I'm not a programmer so keep that in mind.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Add the lag back in and CG will be better then WS since autoattacks are unaffected by server latency.
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@Nordin: I think the auto-generated file is just portion of the config file that EnhSim needs. Read the readme carefully and it tells you were to paste in the auto-generated SAA config inside the EnhSim config.
Strange stat weight results
EnhSim has been working well for me for a while now, but I'm getting some results that don't seem right. With this configuration (it should match my current gear):
I get these results:
Is anyone else really getting haste values above 2? Everything I've read suggests haste is pretty weak, particularly for melee, and that would make sense seeing as it only affects our white damage. I ran this configuration at least a couple of times and got similar results every time. Previous runs of the sim with older gear didn't give these results. I don't know if I'm missing something obvious, or if maybe there are discontinuities in the value of haste that I'm right on the edge of, or what. Any theories?
simulation_time 20000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 200 max_lag 500 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1000 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 750 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food snapper_extreme misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.01 oh_crit 30.01 mh_hit 10.19 oh_hit 10.19 mh_expertise_rating 214 oh_expertise_rating 214 ap 3571 haste 7.41 armor_penetration 0 str 135 agi 773 int 462 spi 155 spellpower 1345 spell_crit 24.78 spell_hit 12.73 max_mana 11046 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 earth_shock glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 2/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5045.83 ap 1.00 0.55 5080.80 34.97 crit rating 1.82 1.00 5091.60 45.78 hit rating 1.72 0.94 5073.90 28.07 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5045.83 haste rating 2.10 1.15 5083.69 37.86 armor penetration rating 1.19 0.63 5055.23 9.40 spellpower 0.96 0.53 5060.54 14.71 mh dps 5.87 3.18 5077.66 31.84 oh dps 2.53 1.33 5059.08 13.25 strength 1.10 agility 1.80 intelligence* 1.36 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5045.83 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5045.83 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5045.83 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. elapsed simulation time: 200000.00h elapsed real time: 277.63s simulation speed: 2593426x
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Originally Posted by qid
Is anyone else really getting haste values above 2? Everything I've read suggests haste is pretty weak, particularly for melee, and that would make sense seeing as it only affects our white damage. I ran this configuration at least a couple of times and got similar results every time. Previous runs of the sim with older gear didn't give these results. I don't know if I'm missing something obvious, or if maybe there are discontinuities in the value of haste that I'm right on the edge of, or what. Any theories?
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Originally Posted by qid
Is anyone else really getting haste values above 2? Everything I've read suggests haste is pretty weak, particularly for melee, and that would make sense seeing as it only affects our white damage. I ran this configuration at least a couple of times and got similar results every time. Previous runs of the sim with older gear didn't give these results. I don't know if I'm missing something obvious, or if maybe there are discontinuities in the value of haste that I'm right on the edge of, or what. Any theories?
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EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4877.57 ap 1.00 0.49 4916.86 39.28 crit rating 1.41 0.69 4908.69 31.11 hit rating 1.37 0.67 4907.82 30.25 expertise rating 2.51 1.23 4928.03 50.46 haste rating 2.06 1.01 4923.07 45.49 armor penetration rating 1.38 0.68 4908.09 30.52 spellpower 1.22 0.60 4905.20 27.63 mh dps 5.40 2.65 4904.07 26.50 oh dps 2.33 1.14 4889.00 11.42 strength 1.10 agility 1.64 intelligence* 1.38 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -4877.57 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -4877.57 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -4877.57 elapsed simulation time: 11000000.00h elapsed real time: 34521.87s simulation speed: 1147098x
Melee - normally our top damage move
FT - generally in the top 3 for our total damage, if not top 3 then a close 4
MW - more haste = more PPM = more LBs
Static Shock - faster attacks means more proc chances
WF - assuming you're still not at the divisible into 3 second theoretical chasm then more haste = more WF procs
Only the damage on CDs doesn't directly benefit from haste, and I don't think our flame totems do either so that just leaves SS, ES, LL and ST/MT unaffected by haste.
Do wolves get our haste like some temporary pets seem to? (thinking of gargoyles)
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Originally Posted by Skiace
I've gotten negative haste values recently. Try playing with the base haste in your input and see what comes out. I definitely think there's some discontinuities in the value of haste coming out of the sim.
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Last edited by Dragon-CR : 02/05/09 at 4:06 PM.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
I've gotten negative haste values recently. Try playing with the base haste in your input and see what comes out. I definitely think there's some discontinuities in the value of haste coming out of the sim.
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Originally Posted by Malan
That's not unexpected actually and its been discussed repeatedly in this thread as to why.
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I presume "snapper_extreme" is a valid food option, as the simulator didn't complain when I used it, but there's no mention of it as a valid option in config.txt. You might want to add that 
Up till now I'd just assumed you hadn't added it as an option yet.
Up till now I'd just assumed you hadn't added it as an option yet.|
Originally Posted by Nordin
I want to start off by saying thank you for all the work that has been done here. I play in an endgame guild, and use this site regularly as a way to better my play. Wonderful stuff keep it up, and I will do my part to contribute what I've found now as well.
My question is to why I'm recieving an error when I try to import my config file from SAA. I copy it, and put it into wordpad, and save as a .txt. When I try and open it with the enhance sim I get an error, and it won't let me continue. I mainly stick to manually entering all my stats, but this is getting kind of old. I'm also using the most current version of both the addon and the sim. Any help would be appreciated. If I'm understanding correctly, Levva you're looking to build a program in which works with enhsim to make inputing different gear set-ups easier? This would be amazing, and would help greatly in deciding whats best for each of us. If there is anything I can do let me know, but I'm not a programmer so keep that in mind. |
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### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
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don't you?? You don't just paste it into an empty file???
I'm not looking to build a different program I'm looking to get Rawr.Enhance working see Rawr - Home
I was apparently replacing too much of the config file and that's what kept giving me the problem. Thank you.
And to the rawr program, looks very interesting, my earlier statement still applies.
Rather than making two very short posts in different places, I would love to help with the testing of it once it's ready to do so.
And to the rawr program, looks very interesting, my earlier statement still applies.
Rather than making two very short posts in different places, I would love to help with the testing of it once it's ready to do so.
Those that wish to test the Rawr.Enhance module please do. At present it's still needing a LOT of work and the export function isn't written yet. However as long as you are downloading the latest svn copy from Rawr - Home and not just the releases you can assist by testing your Rawr data vs your character/computed data. The aim is to get the Rawr module working then get it to export that config to EnhSim. However I need LOTS of testers and feedback as there is LOTS to test. Please use the Rawr.Enhance thread in this forum to keep this thread clean.
@ qid:
it's because you're already well past the WF proc chasm; with all of the haste buffs up, it's right around 5.45% haste for the first chasm with 2.6/2.5 weapons.
edit: try doing a run with FT/FT and you'll see that WF drastically deflates the value of haste anywhere near those change points.
it's because you're already well past the WF proc chasm; with all of the haste buffs up, it's right around 5.45% haste for the first chasm with 2.6/2.5 weapons.
edit: try doing a run with FT/FT and you'll see that WF drastically deflates the value of haste anywhere near those change points.
Does anyone know how to change the glyph in enhsim so that it is only 2% instead of 5%? I was wondering because it looks like my heroic nexus healing mace may be better then my KT Reach at the moment with this nerf but i could not find the spot where the glyph could be changed myself.
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
Does anyone know how to change the glyph in enhsim so that it is only 2% instead of 5%? I was wondering because it looks like my heroic nexus healing mace may be better then my KT Reach at the moment with this nerf but i could not find the spot where the glyph could be changed myself.
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From the glyph thread.
http://elitistjerks.com/1097969-post144.html
Tukez can you update the Sim to account for the Windfury Glyph adding 40% additional bonus AP (500AP on rank 8) along with a 2% increased proc rate.
http://elitistjerks.com/1097969-post144.html
Tukez can you update the Sim to account for the Windfury Glyph adding 40% additional bonus AP (500AP on rank 8) along with a 2% increased proc rate.
Hah, so they changed the glyph but left the original effect active?
EnhSim 1.5.8
1.5.8
-Fixed Lava Lash damage.
-Fixed Thunder Capacitor.
-Glyph of Windfury Weapon gives 40% bonus ap and 2% extra proc chance.
What about the upcoming change to Unleashed Rage, should I change it already?
-Fixed Lava Lash damage.
-Fixed Thunder Capacitor.
-Glyph of Windfury Weapon gives 40% bonus ap and 2% extra proc chance.
What about the upcoming change to Unleashed Rage, should I change it already?
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Originally Posted by Malan
Hah, so they changed the glyph but left the original effect active?
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What's interesting is the glyph is actually better overall in it's current form then with just the 5% proc rate since even though this glyph won't scale as well, it is much nicer for more undergeared shaman.
None of that changes the fact that they need to do something to either reign in Flametongue scaling or to allow Windfury Weapon to scale with Haste or we will be back in this situation again in a couple of months. Although UR only giving melee crit and Improved Scorch being reduced to 5% (if those preview notes can be believed) might be enough to keep Windfury on top through Ulduar.
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Originally Posted by tukez
1.5.8
-Fixed Lava Lash damage. -Fixed Thunder Capacitor. -Glyph of Windfury Weapon gives 40% bonus ap and 2% extra proc chance. What about the upcoming change to Unleashed Rage, should I change it already? |
Secondly would it be possible to have 2 exe files in the folder? One with the current game and the other one based purely on whatever changes are floating around on the PTR/patch preview etc.
I know Malan has mentioned to me that he would love an advanced panel option so that a person could play with things like Windfury's proc rate or the coefficient of Flametongue for theorycrafting purposes, personally I just like the idea that I could compare what is current with what may be coming up soon.
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Having a panel (not visible by default though) that would allow some tweaking of things like coefficients, multipliers, etc etc would be great yah. That way even if Tukez can't keep up with changes to real life stuff people can still adjust their sim for hotfixes or PTR changes.
The reason I brought it up originally was that I mentioned to Rounced that the simulators needed to be a little more user adaptable just so that when the author goes MIA there's some insulation for the community. That way we don't have to wait for someone to either decode the current sim to make changes or to rebuild a new one.
Alternatively instead of a panel you could offer another config file that could be specified at run time to override the default sim values. Then when a PTR change comes up you could just bundle a config file entitled "PTR_3_1_0.txt" with the sim, and we could load it in as such: enhsim config_lvl80.txt --with-config PTR_3_1_0.txt
The reason I brought it up originally was that I mentioned to Rounced that the simulators needed to be a little more user adaptable just so that when the author goes MIA there's some insulation for the community. That way we don't have to wait for someone to either decode the current sim to make changes or to rebuild a new one.
Alternatively instead of a panel you could offer another config file that could be specified at run time to override the default sim values. Then when a PTR change comes up you could just bundle a config file entitled "PTR_3_1_0.txt" with the sim, and we could load it in as such: enhsim config_lvl80.txt --with-config PTR_3_1_0.txt
Last edited by Malan : 02/11/09 at 4:35 PM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I know Malan has mentioned to me that he would love an advanced panel option so that a person could play with things like Windfury's proc rate or the coefficient of Flametongue for theorycrafting purposes, personally I just like the idea that I could compare what is current with what may be coming up soon.
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You can fairly easily have 2 "installs" of the sim and simply use the same config for both.
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Tukez would it be possible to set the Sim up so that if a person chooses FT/FT it reduces the rank of the mainhand to rank 9? Either that or can the GUI be changed to include an option to select rank 9 Flametongue, in addition to the current options?
If both weapons are using the same rank of Flametongue then there appears to be something going on that causes the loss of a significant number of procs. It is most likely a hidden cooldown but I haven't seen any testing that has been able to determine the specific length of the cooldown. Actually, if you could add a 0.1 second cooldown to same rank Flametongue procs that would probably model the current behavior well enough until someone can figure out how to determine the real cooldown.
Thanks
Edit - Just did a little bit of testing. Matched Daggers with same rank of Flametongue. When I was able to keep them synced only had 50% of the expected Flametongue procs (200 hits/100procs). When I dropped 1 weapon down a rank then all of the procs were there, even when the weapons were synced.
If both weapons are using the same rank of Flametongue then there appears to be something going on that causes the loss of a significant number of procs. It is most likely a hidden cooldown but I haven't seen any testing that has been able to determine the specific length of the cooldown. Actually, if you could add a 0.1 second cooldown to same rank Flametongue procs that would probably model the current behavior well enough until someone can figure out how to determine the real cooldown.
Thanks
Edit - Just did a little bit of testing. Matched Daggers with same rank of Flametongue. When I was able to keep them synced only had 50% of the expected Flametongue procs (200 hits/100procs). When I dropped 1 weapon down a rank then all of the procs were there, even when the weapons were synced.
Last edited by Rouncer : 02/12/09 at 10:29 AM.
Something I noticed a while ago - leatherworkers drums don't have any effect players over level 70. May want to reconsider whether Drums of Battle should still be available under the misc items drop down, or at least make sure the code takes the level limit into account.
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Originally Posted by philviral
Something I noticed a while ago - leatherworkers drums don't have any effect players over level 70. May want to reconsider whether Drums of Battle should still be available under the misc items drop down, or at least make sure the code takes the level limit into account.
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They don't affect players level 80 or higher. So if you happen to be level 79 and want to see what the drums would do they will still work. But since the sim is meant for level 80 they could probably be removed without any real issues.
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Hello,
I've done some test with EnhSim to improve my DPS, but there is something strange in my results.
I'm using this configuration file :
And results are :
Oom for 32.04% of the fight seems a little bit high for me. I'm rarely running out of mana when raiding on bosses, even if I use magma totem. Simulation report 0% MRPS for shamanistic rage, is there a problem?
I have found anything about that in this thread and in the configuration file (except "cast_sr_only_if_mana_left"), but i'm not so good in english, particularly with all abbreviation used in the config file, did i miss something ?
Thanks for your help.
Edit : Thanks to OnosKT, problem solved. I have miss the "SR" in the Rotation Priority list.
I've done some test with EnhSim to improve my DPS, but there is something strange in my results.
I'm using this configuration file :
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 15 report_count 80 threads 3 min_lag 150 max_lag 250 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 0 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 3000 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 2500 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 ST miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/10 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.98 oh_crit 32.98 mh_hit 11.25 oh_hit 11.25 mh_expertise_rating 147.00 oh_expertise_rating 147.00 ap 3646 haste 5.49 armor_penetration 4.22 str 131 agi 783 int 511 spi 154 spellpower 1367 spell_crit 27.93 spell_hit 14.07 max_mana 11781 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
MH:
miss 2382250 9.72%
dodge 552194 2.25%
glancing 6084753 24.83%
hit 4393617 17.93%
crit 11094842 45.27%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.57%
procs/swings 13.87%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 180688 2.38%
hit 3805213 50.18%
crit 3596471 47.43%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 64082 2.26%
hit 1415157 49.95%
crit 1354130 47.79%
OH:
miss 2473094 9.74%
dodge 571913 2.25%
glancing 6314085 24.86%
hit 4545240 17.90%
crit 11490635 45.25%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 15061766 51.04%
crit 14446708 48.96%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 60300 2.18%
hit 1387456 50.10%
crit 1321531 47.72%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1495421 50.96%
crit 1439054 49.04%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 102553 2.25%
hit 2277818 50.04%
crit 2171709 47.71%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1749473 51.01%
crit 1680239 48.99%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3893048 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 43.28
flurry uptime 85.73%
unleashed rage uptime 99.97%
elemental devastation uptime 55.32%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 32.90%
oh enchant uptime 0.00%
trinket1 uptime 17.70%
trinket2 uptime 17.78%
totem uptime 30.48%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 1.21 1.49%
mp5 35.17 43.21%
replenishment 36.10 44.35%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.91 10.95%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1589.95 33.98% 83.17
windfury 642.38 13.73% 6.32
flametongue 535.17 11.44% 49.18
stormstrike 208.40 4.45% 4.72 26.02 26.77%
lava lash 227.93 4.87% 7.59 16.71 17.19%
searing totem 327.54 7% 0.86 4.15 4.27%
earth shock 359.81 7.69% 4.89 14.89 15.32%
lightning bolt 591.21 12.64% 5.72 35.44 36.46%
lightning shield 196.39 4.2% 0.72 0.00 0.00%
DPS 4678.78
MPS 97.19
MP2min 11663.38
MRPS 81.46
Out of mana time 32.04%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 19.84s
simulation speed: 1814516x
I have found anything about that in this thread and in the configuration file (except "cast_sr_only_if_mana_left"), but i'm not so good in english, particularly with all abbreviation used in the config file, did i miss something ?
Thanks for your help.
Edit : Thanks to OnosKT, problem solved. I have miss the "SR" in the Rotation Priority list.
Last edited by Itania : 02/12/09 at 2:27 PM. Reason: Edit for problem solved :)
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Originally Posted by Itania
Hello,
I've done some test with EnhSim to improve my DPS, but there is something strange in my results. Oom for 32.04% of the fight seems a little bit high for me. I'm rarely running out of mana when raiding on bosses, even if I use magma totem. Simulation report 0% MRPS for shamanistic rage, is there a problem? I have found anything about that in this thread and in the configuration file (except "cast_sr_only_if_mana_left"), but i'm not so good in english, particularly with all abbreviation used in the config file, did i miss something ? Thanks for your help. |
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SS
rotation_priority3 ES
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 LS
rotation_priority6 ST
I think you need to add SR into this priority list, or else the sim won't cast it at all.
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Amazing how fast the new sim was released i must add.
I Just ran the new sim version and i am getting the exact same dps i was getting on the old version. Should i have not used my old saved files and started over from scratch?
Be nice to see what the new changes would bring dps wise Tukez, but i hope you dont put in the work for the new changes and then they change them on you again.
I would also really appreciate a rank 9 FT in the weapon buffs if that is possible.
edit: i just used a the config lvl80 file and redid it all but i noticed the EP values are totally different then the last sim version. should i change these also to what i had in 1.5.6? As of right now i am seeing a 200dps increase over 1.5.6.
I just changed the EP back to the old Values and noticed my dps stayed the same, seems to me as the nerf to the glyph was accually a buff? Correct me if i am wrong.
I Just ran the new sim version and i am getting the exact same dps i was getting on the old version. Should i have not used my old saved files and started over from scratch?
Be nice to see what the new changes would bring dps wise Tukez, but i hope you dont put in the work for the new changes and then they change them on you again.
I would also really appreciate a rank 9 FT in the weapon buffs if that is possible.
edit: i just used a the config lvl80 file and redid it all but i noticed the EP values are totally different then the last sim version. should i change these also to what i had in 1.5.6? As of right now i am seeing a 200dps increase over 1.5.6.
I just changed the EP back to the old Values and noticed my dps stayed the same, seems to me as the nerf to the glyph was accually a buff? Correct me if i am wrong.
Last edited by e30Birdy : 02/12/09 at 3:39 PM.
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Originally Posted by e30Birdy
Amazing how fast the new sim was released i must add.
I Just ran the new sim version and i am getting the exact same dps i was getting on the old version. Should i have not used my old saved files and started over from scratch? |
The new sim is adding the 2% increased proc chance that is listed on the tooltip AND it is adding the 40% increased bonus AP. Together those things equal out to the 5% increased proc chance which was all the Sim was showing last build. Which is why the Sim is giving you those matching results.
With regards to the flametongue glyph, is the sim assuming a 4% increase in chance to crit as long as the shaman is dual wielding?
Surely blizz will remove the 40% AP effect. I can't imagine that their intent was to combine the 2 iterations of the glyph like that.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Surely blizz will remove the 40% AP effect. I can't imagine that their intent was to combine the 2 iterations of the glyph like that.
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Originally Posted by Lumb
I would think so. Like rounce has suggested, they probably just didn't realise the 40% AP effect was still there and so nerfed the percentage to keep the numbers in line. Personally I hope they revert it back to 5% and remove the attack power effect.
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Seems the most likely especially considering that if you sim out the current glyph and compare it to what we were getting from the last version of the Sim where the glyph only gave the 5% proc increase the results are, for all intensive purposes, identical. There is even the number chosen for the new version of the glyph. If it was just meant as a nerf they likely would have moved it back to 3% but the 2% implies to me that they were looking for a target and 2% was the number that got them there.
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Originally Posted by tukez
1.5.8
-Fixed Lava Lash damage. -Fixed Thunder Capacitor. -Glyph of Windfury Weapon gives 40% bonus ap and 2% extra proc chance. |
Question regarding [Totem of Hex]: Is the sim still using the old 85 spell power pre patch value for this totem / relic, or the new post patch 3.08 165 spell power? I can't find anything about this totem in the Think Tank article or elsewhere (apart from wowhead) since it has been changed, but presumably it's pretty good now.
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EnhSim 1.5.8 seems to be using a spellpower bonus of 182 for CL and LB. From enhsimconfig.cpp (lines 1388-1391):
else if (name == "totem_of_hex") {
enhsims_[i]->lightning_bolt_->spellpower_bonus_ += 182;
enhsims_[i]->chain_lightning_->spellpower_bonus_ += 182;
}
Last edited by Raikodin : 02/13/09 at 1:51 PM.
182 is too high though unless WoWhead is wrong?
It is definitely 165 ingame, so yeah, it's set too high.
Just fyi, speaking of spellpower typos, the spellpower elixir is being set as 125 spellpower rather than 58. Looks like a copy+paste error from the flask.
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else if (name == "flask_of_the_frost_wyrm") {
spellpower_ += 125;
}
else if (name == "spellpower_elixir") {
spellpower_ += 125;
}
...
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Originally Posted by Lumb
With regards to the flametongue glyph, is the sim assuming a 4% increase in chance to crit as long as the shaman is dual wielding?
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Originally Posted by Pjoo
I got only 2% less crits when I removed my Flametongue Weapon Glyph, so safe to assume it only gives 2% while dualwielding FT/FT.
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http://elitistjerks.com/1100662-post165.html
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NVM - solved the problem.
Last edited by Frostshockz : 02/15/09 at 3:36 PM.
I want to start off by offering my thanks for the simulator, it's really been a big help as I begin planning out what upgrades to shoot for.
I had a (simple?) question though: is there any way to use the simulator to determine what is the absolute best set of gear currently available? The value of various pieces obviously changes as one's stats change so it doesn't seem as simple as I hoped. The reason I would like to know this is because my guild prioritizes items which are "best in slot" for classes, yet it's difficult for me to make that claim as my stats constantly shift around.
I apologize if this is a slightly off-topic request, but if the simulator cannot provide that answer easily, does anyone have a link or list of the best-in-slot set of all items for enhance atm, by theorycrafting standards? Thanks for the time!
I had a (simple?) question though: is there any way to use the simulator to determine what is the absolute best set of gear currently available? The value of various pieces obviously changes as one's stats change so it doesn't seem as simple as I hoped. The reason I would like to know this is because my guild prioritizes items which are "best in slot" for classes, yet it's difficult for me to make that claim as my stats constantly shift around.
I apologize if this is a slightly off-topic request, but if the simulator cannot provide that answer easily, does anyone have a link or list of the best-in-slot set of all items for enhance atm, by theorycrafting standards? Thanks for the time!
any update on how to compile/run latest version on OSX?
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Originally Posted by escariot
I had a (simple?) question though: is there any way to use the simulator to determine what is the absolute best set of gear currently available?
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Originally Posted by Totentanz
any update on how to compile/run latest version on OSX?
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Originally Posted by escariot
I want to start off by offering my thanks for the simulator, it's really been a big help as I begin planning out what upgrades to shoot for.
I had a (simple?) question though: is there any way to use the simulator to determine what is the absolute best set of gear currently available? The value of various pieces obviously changes as one's stats change so it doesn't seem as simple as I hoped. The reason I would like to know this is because my guild prioritizes items which are "best in slot" for classes, yet it's difficult for me to make that claim as my stats constantly shift around. I apologize if this is a slightly off-topic request, but if the simulator cannot provide that answer easily, does anyone have a link or list of the best-in-slot set of all items for enhance atm, by theorycrafting standards? Thanks for the time! |
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but I see no option for Flame Cap for the consumable list? The 40 fire damage proc ends up being like 1500 of my total damage on a 150 second fight, and the fire spellpower addition to FT/Fire totem of comes out to 8 damage/swing of FT, 8 dmg/tick of magma, 13.336 dmg/tick of searing excluding damage multipliers, crit, etc with a 1 minute duration and no combat lockout(can use another in 3 mins).
Napkin math has it at around a 20 dps gain with Webbed Death/fire totem(assuming 60 sec flame cap/flurry uptime, 40 sec with hero, 15 sec with haste pot) which isn't a whole lot, but for a consumable that costs ~20 silver it's definitely worth using them in conjunction with your other attack speed cds.
Napkin math has it at around a 20 dps gain with Webbed Death/fire totem(assuming 60 sec flame cap/flurry uptime, 40 sec with hero, 15 sec with haste pot) which isn't a whole lot, but for a consumable that costs ~20 silver it's definitely worth using them in conjunction with your other attack speed cds.
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Calculating BiS would take some work. You'd have to start out with a few assumptions about BiS items to get a baseline and then see if there's any upgrades available for one slot, sim again etc... until you can't find anything better. Say start out with 5pc T7.5, throw in some items from badge vendor since they're easy to get, CG and WD for weapons, fill in other slots with what seems might be best, then sim it all together then use lootrank.com to see if there are any slots that can be improved on. Not sure how much it would be worth it at this point, esp since ulduar will be on PTR soon, might be best to do this for T8 loot once we get an idea of what we'll be seeing there.
Also you should aim for a certain minimum haste value since haste can get a bit strange in the 4-6% range, push past the WF chasm to get a more accurate picture of its real value.
Also you should aim for a certain minimum haste value since haste can get a bit strange in the 4-6% range, push past the WF chasm to get a more accurate picture of its real value.
Hi, i've got a problem. Each time i try to sim my EP Values i get this
this is my config file
Anyone got an idea? i got this problem since 1.4x 
this is my config file
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 1 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 ST rotation_priority7 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.7 mh_crit 33.73 oh_crit 33.73 mh_hit 10.28 oh_hit 10.28 mh_expertise_rating 202 oh_expertise_rating 202 ap 3638 haste 5.92 armor_penetration 2.01 str 131 agi 905 int 471 spi 154 spellpower 1365 spell_crit 26.97 spell_hit 12.85 max_mana 11181 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by killachinchilla
Hi, i've got a problem. Each time i try to sim my EP Values i get this
... Anyone got an idea? i got this problem since 1.4x |
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Thanks a lot! it works!
The spellpower i am going to enter, is it with ft bonus spellpower or without? and the 2% spellcrit if i got the ft glyph?
The spellpower i am going to enter, is it with ft bonus spellpower or without? and the 2% spellcrit if i got the ft glyph?
Last edited by killachinchilla : 02/17/09 at 9:24 AM.
| The spellpower i am going to enter, is it with ft bonus spellpower or without? and the 2% spellcrit if i got the ft glyph? |
The 2% spellcrit is also taken care of by the simulator, so no need to add it by yourself (as long as you select in the sim that you have the glyph equipped of course)
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
What you enter in the simulator are your unbuffed stats. That means without the FT bonus. Assuming you export them from inside the game, your character should not have any buffs that add any kind of damage on it. (no food, no weapon chants, no elixirs/flasks, etc.). If you get your data from the armory, I am pretty sure that right now the armory shows your unbuffed stats even if you were buffed in game (I need to check this a bit more though)
The 2% spellcrit is also taken care of by the simulator, so no need to add it by yourself (as long as you select in the sim that you have the glyph equipped of course) |
Best thing is to just make sure to click off all buffs and both weapon imbues before copying your paperdoll stats. That way there is no longer any issues with the Flametongue buff or glyph.
Actually I'm fairly sure the armory was fixed so it no longer shows any buffs you have on you, and is by default unbuffed stats.
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
Actually I'm fairly sure the armory was fixed so it no longer shows any buffs you have on you, and is by default unbuffed stats.
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Two questions:
1) When I do my sims I get a fairly wide range of results. For example - I just did the same sim 10 times just to see results - I got between 4837 -> 5031. 200DPS seems like a larger variation than I would have imagined.
I didn't change a thing, I simply kept clicking Combatlog Output over and over.
2) my results come in a C:\ command window. I don't know how to post it from there.
I am not the most computer knowledgeable person and this is probably a really stupid question, so I am sorry if it is. I just wanted to be able to post the results so people could help figure out why I had such a large variation on my data.
Just as an FYI I had 100K as the sim time, 30 min as the sim time combatlog, and 5 as the combat length, also 80 report count. Don't know if that matters at all.
1) When I do my sims I get a fairly wide range of results. For example - I just did the same sim 10 times just to see results - I got between 4837 -> 5031. 200DPS seems like a larger variation than I would have imagined.
I didn't change a thing, I simply kept clicking Combatlog Output over and over.
2) my results come in a C:\ command window. I don't know how to post it from there.
I am not the most computer knowledgeable person and this is probably a really stupid question, so I am sorry if it is. I just wanted to be able to post the results so people could help figure out why I had such a large variation on my data.
Just as an FYI I had 100K as the sim time, 30 min as the sim time combatlog, and 5 as the combat length, also 80 report count. Don't know if that matters at all.
Click on simulate and not on combat output. Not sure what combat output does, but in my tests it finishes too quickly to do a long time simulation.
Couple of other advice based on my personal experience:
1. 10k sim time is enough. I get variations of under 1.0 DPS with that time. 100k will take a fairly long time
2. The results are put in an output file named output.txt in your enhsim folder. The name of that file can be changed in a box in the GUI.
Couple of other advice based on my personal experience:
1. 10k sim time is enough. I get variations of under 1.0 DPS with that time. 100k will take a fairly long time
2. The results are put in an output file named output.txt in your enhsim folder. The name of that file can be changed in a box in the GUI.
I believe combat output is showing you a single simulation of one combat period (as defined by the input field) and as such the variability is expected. Think about what you see week to week from a 3-5 min fight.
I see - so I need to use simulate.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Enchant uptimes feel a bit off in the simulator for me, especially compared to what I'm observing in game. Here's an example from a recent run I did with CG/WD both with Berserking and 4pc T7 (100000 hr run):
They both seem especially low to me considering Berserking lasts 15 seconds without refresh, meaning if it gets its assumed 1PPM, that even with zero haste or other special attacks it should have a theoretical 25% uptime. Granted over time some of those will be back to back or occure while a previous buff is in effect which will serve to lower the overall uptime, but with flurry, WF totem, and other haste effects the PPM should be closer to 1.7, and that's before considering LL and SS. I also realize that the fast speed of WD reduces the procs from SS and LL, but the amount shown here seems a bit extreme.
I know I see berserking up quite a bit, so much that it's more unussual to NOT have at least one buff than it is to have one, and dual berserking buffs is nowhere near uncommon so both of those uptimes feel highly suspect to me from in game observations.
It feels as if the sim isn't taking haste effects into account to boost PPM rate, and is assuming 1PPM at all times plus procs from instant attacks.
Maybe I'm wrong, does anybody know of a mod we can use to track procs? I know we can't tell which weapon the proc came from but a mod could show uptime for 1x buff and 2x buffs.
flurry uptime 85.14% unleashed rage uptime 0.00% elemental devastation uptime 80.77% elemental oath uptime 0.00% mh enchant uptime 36.68% oh enchant uptime 26.71%
I know I see berserking up quite a bit, so much that it's more unussual to NOT have at least one buff than it is to have one, and dual berserking buffs is nowhere near uncommon so both of those uptimes feel highly suspect to me from in game observations.
It feels as if the sim isn't taking haste effects into account to boost PPM rate, and is assuming 1PPM at all times plus procs from instant attacks.
Maybe I'm wrong, does anybody know of a mod we can use to track procs? I know we can't tell which weapon the proc came from but a mod could show uptime for 1x buff and 2x buffs.
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
Maybe I'm wrong, does anybody know of a mod we can use to track procs? I know we can't tell which weapon the proc came from but a mod could show uptime for 1x buff and 2x buffs.
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Procodile - Curse
I'm pleased to report that work on the Rawr module is coming along well and a few minutes ago I committed the initial code that implements an EnhSim config file export from Rawr. What this means is that you will be able to do rough calcs in Rawr, swap gear around and then export a config file using that gear set data to EnhSim. This should mean eliminating manually tweaking config file stats to simulate changing out gear.
It is of course in its initial alpha phase but its looking promising. It does actually work at present and exports a full character stats config file with all the talents, and a lot of the base stats included. Where I still have work to do it has a comment to indicate a missing value. The format of the export file is IDENTICAL to the format of the cut n paste export from my ShockAndAwe addon. Indeed I stuck with the same export to clipboard model, so all you need to do is to click the button in Rawr and paste the export data into your EnhSim config file.
I am hoping that this will lead to various people being able to assist improving the Rawr calculations as well as providing a working config link to EnhSim. I did say to the Rawr project lead that the aim was to get Rawr calcs as accurate as possible within the Rawr framework so that for the majority of users using Rawr would suffice and for us numbers gurus the export would give us additional info from the simulator to confirm the results.
I will of course need testers, if anyone wants to volunteer contact me directly or respond in the [Enhancement] Rawr module thread.
It is of course in its initial alpha phase but its looking promising. It does actually work at present and exports a full character stats config file with all the talents, and a lot of the base stats included. Where I still have work to do it has a comment to indicate a missing value. The format of the export file is IDENTICAL to the format of the cut n paste export from my ShockAndAwe addon. Indeed I stuck with the same export to clipboard model, so all you need to do is to click the button in Rawr and paste the export data into your EnhSim config file.
I am hoping that this will lead to various people being able to assist improving the Rawr calculations as well as providing a working config link to EnhSim. I did say to the Rawr project lead that the aim was to get Rawr calcs as accurate as possible within the Rawr framework so that for the majority of users using Rawr would suffice and for us numbers gurus the export would give us additional info from the simulator to confirm the results.
I will of course need testers, if anyone wants to volunteer contact me directly or respond in the [Enhancement] Rawr module thread.
Next up we need an automated generation of every possible combination of gear and a batch file that runs the sim on all those files and compares the simulated DPS.
Along the above lines and hopefully something much simpler would be a way to do multiple runs with different EP steppings to get an idea of EP values over a range of increase for a few of those ratings we have that seem to vary greatly as you add more (I'm looking at you haste).
Something like do a run for baseline and a run for AP EP, then do a series of runs for haste in a small increments, say 16 rating increase each step, then calculate 2 EP values for each step, the EP based on the previous stepping and total EP from base stat.
Something like do a run for baseline and a run for AP EP, then do a series of runs for haste in a small increments, say 16 rating increase each step, then calculate 2 EP values for each step, the EP based on the previous stepping and total EP from base stat.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Next up we need an automated generation of every possible combination of gear and a batch file that runs the sim on all those files and compares the simulated DPS.
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I think that's how the rest of the rawr modules work but since we don't have a highly accurate closed form solution we can't do that.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
What you enter in the simulator are your unbuffed stats. That means without the FT bonus. Assuming you export them from inside the game, your character should not have any buffs that add any kind of damage on it. (no food, no weapon chants, no elixirs/flasks, etc.). If you get your data from the armory, I am pretty sure that right now the armory shows your unbuffed stats even if you were buffed in game (I need to check this a bit more though)
The 2% spellcrit is also taken care of by the simulator, so no need to add it by yourself (as long as you select in the sim that you have the glyph equipped of course) |
WF Glyph fixed :(
I just did some sims with WS, Kel's Reach, and Cudgel of Saronite Justice (We have STILL yet to see ONE CG /sigh). All of them used SS, FT, and LS glyphs. Webbed Death with Zerker on the OH.
The results were surprising.
CoSJ came out on top with 5400, WS next and KR last. The best results were always with zerker and FT/FT (I took into consideration 9/10 FT).
This is just so sad. I didn't use WF glyph at all - since the sim doesn't have the changes in it, and it is pretty obvious that the glyph isn't going to be used at all.
I did the sims on my laptop (which doesn't have internet now), when I get home I will post the results.
The results were surprising.
CoSJ came out on top with 5400, WS next and KR last. The best results were always with zerker and FT/FT (I took into consideration 9/10 FT).
This is just so sad. I didn't use WF glyph at all - since the sim doesn't have the changes in it, and it is pretty obvious that the glyph isn't going to be used at all.
I did the sims on my laptop (which doesn't have internet now), when I get home I will post the results.
With the latest Windfury Glyph nerf, I've jumped head first into the FT/FT arena and am also adjusting my gearing strategy accordingly. Besides threat issues, its been pretty interesting.
I'd like to request that the [Tears of Bitter Anguish] be added to the sim when possible. I'm in the process of tracking individual gear changes and that is one of the items that looks very appealing to the lightning mace/dagger approach I'm taking.
The AP modifier on the Windfury Glyph can also be removed based on the last bit of patch notes.
Thanks Tukez!
I'd like to request that the [Tears of Bitter Anguish] be added to the sim when possible. I'm in the process of tracking individual gear changes and that is one of the items that looks very appealing to the lightning mace/dagger approach I'm taking.
The AP modifier on the Windfury Glyph can also be removed based on the last bit of patch notes.
Thanks Tukez!
Something that I kind of overlooked until now for folks that arena is [Deadly Gladiator's Spellblade]. With it's speed and a chunk of crit it's siming very close to Torch(within 10 dps for me) and you circumvent the whole awkward caster hatred thing and have something that's guaranteed as opposed to dealing with drop rates and loot contention.
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Originally Posted by rava
Something that I kind of overlooked until now for folks that arena is [Deadly Gladiator's Spellblade]. With it's speed and a chunk of crit it's siming very close to Torch(within 10 dps for me) and you circumvent the whole awkward caster hatred thing and have something that's guaranteed as opposed to dealing with drop rates and loot contention.
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I'm just going to stay content with the melee weapons I currently have and if this situation persists into Ulduar then I will bid against casters for those fast caster mainhands and tell them to take any complaints they have to Blizzard for making us work this way.
(e) to remove some of the personal QQ from the post.
Last edited by Rouncer : 02/20/09 at 9:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by Xieon
I'd like to request that the [Tears of Bitter Anguish] be added to the sim when possible.
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I would like to hear from some of the experienced enha raiding shamans that follow these forums: How close is the sim to your actually observed dps? By this I mean your collected experienced dps over weeks of raiding on most "normal" bosses. I realise this kind of question can receive endless remarks and snickers and discussions over "what do you mean by normal", etc., but try to bear with me and tell me your gut feeling and experiences.
On a personal level, I find that the simulator has always overstated my dps. I try to do my rotation/priority list according to what the sim suggests, and it just never reaches that level.
On a personal level, I find that the simulator has always overstated my dps. I try to do my rotation/priority list according to what the sim suggests, and it just never reaches that level.
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Originally Posted by Bellante
I would like to hear from some of the experienced enha raiding shamans that follow these forums: How close is the sim to your actually observed dps? By this I mean your collected experienced dps over weeks of raiding on most "normal" bosses. I realise this kind of question can receive endless remarks and snickers and discussions over "what do you mean by normal", etc., but try to bear with me and tell me your gut feeling and experiences.
On a personal level, I find that the simulator has always overstated my dps. I try to do my rotation/priority list according to what the sim suggests, and it just never reaches that level. |
I made a new section to EnhSim website for wishes and bugs to help me with the development. I don't always catch the requests for the sim from this thread and often forget about them. From now on, if you have a request or bug to report, please add it to the EnhSim website too.
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I think it honestly depends on gear level as to how consistent your numbers will be with higher gear levels being more consistent. A lucky or unlucky streak @ 20% melee crit / 15% spell crit in mostly blues is going to affect things like elemental devastation and flurry more, causing wild variations in up times vs 32% melee / 28% spell where even a "bad" streak is still 80%+ uptime for both. Patchwork is obviously the best fight to compare sim vs real world performance.
Personally I don't like to give DPS values for changes, but if you're more than 20% off your sim value on PW and gemmed/enchanted ideally, with ideal consumable buffs, then you probably want to seriously take a look at your priorities and/or rotations and make sure you're using things as soon as they come off CD and keep fire totems up, etc... If you, or the whole raid, seems to have an off night, check raid comp. Did the mage respec arcane and now there's no IS/AC? That can wreak havok with your ED uptime, which in turn might affect flurry uptime. Did they forget a boomkin/SP? Losing 3% hit can have a larger than 3% impact due to missed procs.
If you're within 10% work on tightening timings, you're doing good and likely placing respectively on the charts, but there's still room for improvement.
If you're within 5% of your sim DPS you're doing well, may still need work on priorities and awareness, but you're well within the band where your results may be more at the mercy of the RNG than your playstyle.
The sim isn't perfect unfortunately and there's a few tricks you can do in game to boost your numbers that aren't accounted for, but there's pretty much always room for improvement in your personal game, even if you consistently get the same numbers the sim does.
I would like to add that one of the things that isn't emphasized here enough, esp with as much as we throw around "sim it" is the sim results aren't guaranteed. Every time you hit the attack button with a boss targeted you're rolling the dice. The sim is just a way to coax the RNG to roll in your favor more often than not.
Wub 
Personally I don't like to give DPS values for changes, but if you're more than 20% off your sim value on PW and gemmed/enchanted ideally, with ideal consumable buffs, then you probably want to seriously take a look at your priorities and/or rotations and make sure you're using things as soon as they come off CD and keep fire totems up, etc... If you, or the whole raid, seems to have an off night, check raid comp. Did the mage respec arcane and now there's no IS/AC? That can wreak havok with your ED uptime, which in turn might affect flurry uptime. Did they forget a boomkin/SP? Losing 3% hit can have a larger than 3% impact due to missed procs.
If you're within 10% work on tightening timings, you're doing good and likely placing respectively on the charts, but there's still room for improvement.
If you're within 5% of your sim DPS you're doing well, may still need work on priorities and awareness, but you're well within the band where your results may be more at the mercy of the RNG than your playstyle.
The sim isn't perfect unfortunately and there's a few tricks you can do in game to boost your numbers that aren't accounted for, but there's pretty much always room for improvement in your personal game, even if you consistently get the same numbers the sim does.
I would like to add that one of the things that isn't emphasized here enough, esp with as much as we throw around "sim it" is the sim results aren't guaranteed. Every time you hit the attack button with a boss targeted you're rolling the dice. The sim is just a way to coax the RNG to roll in your favor more often than not.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I made a new section to EnhSim website for wishes and bugs to help me with the development. I don't always catch the requests for the sim from this thread and often forget about them. From now on, if you have a request or bug to report, please add it to the EnhSim website too.
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Last edited by Dragon-CR : 02/20/09 at 8:51 PM.
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Originally Posted by Bellante
I would like to hear from some of the experienced enha raiding shamans that follow these forums: How close is the sim to your actually observed dps? By this I mean your collected experienced dps over weeks of raiding on most "normal" bosses. I realise this kind of question can receive endless remarks and snickers and discussions over "what do you mean by normal", etc., but try to bear with me and tell me your gut feeling and experiences.
On a personal level, I find that the simulator has always overstated my dps. I try to do my rotation/priority list according to what the sim suggests, and it just never reaches that level. |
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
Enchant uptimes feel a bit off in the simulator for me, especially compared to what I'm observing in game. Here's an example from a recent run I did with CG/WD both with Berserking and 4pc T7 (100000 hr run):
 flurry uptime 85.14% unleashed rage uptime 0.00% elemental devastation uptime 80.77% elemental oath uptime 0.00% mh enchant uptime 36.68% oh enchant uptime 26.71% I know I see berserking up quite a bit, so much that it's more unussual to NOT have at least one buff than it is to have one, and dual berserking buffs is nowhere near uncommon so both of those uptimes feel highly suspect to me from in game observations. It feels as if the sim isn't taking haste effects into account to boost PPM rate, and is assuming 1PPM at all times plus procs from instant attacks. Maybe I'm wrong, does anybody know of a mod we can use to track procs? I know we can't tell which weapon the proc came from but a mod could show uptime for 1x buff and 2x buffs. |
However, unlike the OP suggests, haste effects are not thought to increase the effective PPM of autoattacks.
Hit still raiting high
When I import my values into enhsim, enhsim tells me that Spell hit + EP range goes past cap and yet when I sim it all up to get EP values it still rates +hit as a high value. I thought because I was going past the cap that it would several penalise +hit and give me a low value for +hit.
here is my config file
and here is my output
here is my config file
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 1000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 0 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 0 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 1 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
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#ROTATION AND MISC#
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mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 2 //{ 0 | 1 | 2 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 7
rotation_priority1 SR
rotation_priority2 LVB
rotation_priority3 FS
rotation_priority4 SS
rotation_priority5 ES
rotation_priority6 LL
rotation_priority7 LS
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#BOSS#####
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miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 25.00 //%
armor 13083
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
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armor_debuff_major 0/3925 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/2.0 //%, bloody frenzy, 2nd talent spec TBA
melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/10.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill
spell_damage_debuff 0.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of elements, totem of wrath
spellpower_buff 0/280 //focus magic, improved divine spirit, flametongue totem, demonic pact
spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath
stat_multiplier 0.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 0/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 0/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
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#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food spice_hot_talbuk
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
misc_item drums_of_battle
// { drums_of_battle | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
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#SHAMAN###
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race tauren
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.50
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 143.6
mh_crit 21.30
oh_crit 21.30
mh_hit 12.81
oh_hit 12.81
mh_expertise_rating 97.00
oh_expertise_rating 97.00
ap 2947
haste 4.45
armor_penetration 5.26
str 133
agi 639
int 425
spi 153
spellpower 884
spell_crit 15.46
spell_hit 16.01
max_mana 10491
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant -
mh_weapon -
oh_enchant -
oh_weapon -
trinket1 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood
trinket2 mirror_of_truth
totem totem_of_splintering
set_bonus - ## not currently available in the addon export
metagem -
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 lava_lash
glyph_major3 stormstrike
glyph_major4 - ## slot empty
glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
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## Talents ##
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ancestral_knowledge 5/5
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 0/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 2/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 3/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 0/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 0.153641% (4.03032 hit rating). Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2200.34 ap 1.00 0.31 2261.59 61.25 crit rating 1.75 0.54 2216.41 16.06 hit rating 2.44 0.75 2222.80 22.46 expertise rating 2.12 0.65 2221.65 21.31 haste rating 1.24 0.38 2211.74 11.40 armor penetration rating 1.04 0.32 2209.90 9.56 spellpower 1.14 0.35 2252.79 52.44 mh dps 5.38 1.65 2212.70 12.35 oh dps 2.87 0.88 2206.93 6.59 strength 1.00 agility 1.67 intelligence* 1.26 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2200.34 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2200.34 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2200.34 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.75, HitRating=2.44, HasteRating=1.24, ExpertiseRating=2.12, ArmorPenetration=1.04, SpellDamage=1.14, MainHandDps=5.38, OffHandDps=2.87, Strength=1.00, Agility=1.67, Intellect=1.26, Spirit=0.00, Mana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.00&mh=1.24&dps=5.38&mp5=0.00&mcr=1.75&odps=2.87&spd=1.14&Agi=1.67&mhit=2.44&Int=1.26&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.04&Exp=2.12 elapsed simulation time: 10999989.00h elapsed real time: 10658.65s simulation speed: 3715289x
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
The sim isn't perfect unfortunately and there's a few tricks you can do in game to boost your numbers that aren't accounted for, but there's pretty much always room for improvement in your personal game, even if you consistently get the same numbers the sim does.
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So to me, a "this is how it works in reality" tip seems to be to focus more on getting your cooldowns off than the actual lightning bolt. Another tip seems to be to get earthshock off before stormstriking, even if they come off cd at about the same time but the other way around, because it saves you intersections of GCD for a while.
Any comments and tips on this are most welcome. If it's inappropriate to do this in this thread (I dont know if it is, my post is about simulator vs. reality after all), just pm me, any advice is helpful, even if it isn't news
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Originally Posted by Bellante
My dps is within 10% of the sim, so it's not all bad,
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Try adjusting the combat length in the sim to 3 min (default is 5) and watch your simulated dps shoot up.
I'm wondering if our current set bonuses are part of the reason we seem to be drifting towards FT/FT at high gear levels. 10% LS damage obviously favors fast weapons and more spell power, and the 5% flurry, along with our strange WF mechanics around the 1.5sec "WF chasm" which we're dancing around with our normal 2.5-2.6 speed weapons. If the T8 set bonuses are more balanced between physical and spell damages we might see the FT/FT advantage fade. Granted if they over compensate and go too far to physical we might see WF/WF rise back.
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
I'm wondering if our current set bonuses are part of the reason we seem to be drifting towards FT/FT at high gear levels. 10% LS damage obviously favors fast weapons and more spell power, and the 5% flurry, along with our strange WF mechanics around the 1.5sec "WF chasm" which we're dancing around with our normal 2.5-2.6 speed weapons. If the T8 set bonuses are more balanced between physical and spell damages we might see the FT/FT advantage fade. Granted if they over compensate and go too far to physical we might see WF/WF rise back.
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You do know that the Windfury Chasm is a misnomer, a phenomenon only observed in the perfectly timed world of the sim. In reality there is no perfect weapon speed that will cause a dramatic loss of dps because of how server-client interactions occur and just due to how the server seems to handle the procs in general.
The cooldown is 3 seconds but the only way I was able to the predicted proc rate (ie no clipping of attacks due to the cooldown) was by using a 3.3 speed weapon. This modulation works on both sides of the coin such that there is a bell curve to the proc rate and not a sharp spike as we see in the Sim.
I know it doesn't exist in practice to the extent it demonstrated by the sim but that doesn't necessarily mean that hasting past ~1.5sec swing (give or take a bit as you stated) isn't a smaller increase than before or a bit after (this coming from someone who probably stacks more haste than they should). That's why I put it in quotes, as it's still possible that it's a small effect on WF scaling. Regardless the point that our set bonuses actually seem to favor fast FT builds stands.
Slow, slower, shaman weapons, or was that fast, faster, shaman weapons... we're kinda confused right now...
Slow, slower, shaman weapons, or was that fast, faster, shaman weapons... we're kinda confused right now...
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
I know it doesn't exist in practice to the extent it demonstrated by the sim but that doesn't necessarily mean that hasting past ~1.5sec swing (give or take a bit as you stated) isn't a smaller increase than before or a bit after (this coming from someone who probably stacks more haste than they should). That's why I put it in quotes, as it's still possible that it's a small effect on WF scaling. Regardless the point that our set bonuses actually seem to favor fast FT builds stands.
Slow, slower, shaman weapons, or was that fast, faster, shaman weapons... we're kinda confused right now... |
That halfway range really starts at 1.65 (since I had to use a 3.3 speed weapon to avoid losing any procs from the cooldown) and with Flurry and WF Totem alone and a 2.6 speed weapon you are already at 1.6 speed so I would just run a +EP haste and then a -EP haste and average the results to get a relevant value.
In an unrelated note I'm wondering how accurate it still is to calculate melee and spell crit separately and using them to statically value int and agi. Due to actual crit rating affecting both crit rates and spell crit affecting ED uptime, I'm guessing that calculating them separately devalues crit slightly in cases of <100% flurry and ED uptime. Seems the seperate crit calculations are a throwback to pre 3.0 days and should maybe be updated for a single crit rating run for both melee and spell, then actually sim int and agility normally instead of calculating from component parts. Since you're dropping a crit run and adding an int and agi run you'd end up with 15 total runs instead of the current 14 but that shouldn't make a big difference in run times and should be more accurate. My gut tells me that flurry uptime would go up and show a higher and probably more accurate value on crit, since doing both crit values at once would increase effective melee crit from both the extra rating and the extra ED uptime.
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
In an unrelated note I'm wondering how accurate it still is to calculate melee and spell crit separately and using them to statically value int and agi. Due to actual crit rating affecting both crit rates and spell crit affecting ED uptime, I'm guessing that calculating them separately devalues crit slightly in cases of <100% flurry and ED uptime. Seems the seperate crit calculations are a throwback to pre 3.0 days and should maybe be updated for a single crit rating run for both melee and spell, then actually sim int and agility normally instead of calculating from component parts. Since you're dropping a crit run and adding an int and agi run you'd end up with 15 total runs instead of the current 14 but that shouldn't make a big difference in run times and should be more accurate. My gut tells me that flurry uptime would go up and show a higher and probably more accurate value on crit, since doing both crit values at once would increase effective melee crit from both the extra rating and the extra ED uptime.
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If we didn't want to bother ourselves with small variances we'd just use spreadsheets with static values to approximate EP values like pretty much every other class and say "eh, that looks close enough". Would it mean the difference between doing 4k and 6k dps? Nah, but I'm pretty sure anybody here would squeeze out 5dps more if they could which these days is 0.1% or less of our total.
You suggest extra ep calculation. This will make simulator take 7% more time per ep full run. If you increase simulation time by 7% you also make simulator more accurate. Which one is more accurate way to model? If you have infinite time to simulate then you can set variance to 0 and then all this little small tweak can be noticed. Only way to model 100% accurate gear upgrades is change config. EP values are just little guideline. Only place where you can even increase invidual stats are gems and those are filled with hit/expertice/ap now. Also if you calculate spell and melee crit same time it's give lower value than separetly not higher like you claimed.
Tukez coded ep calculation this way becouse he like optimazing things. We have this discussion when Woltk was only beta stage and we found this solution best at accuracy/speed axel.
Tukez coded ep calculation this way becouse he like optimazing things. We have this discussion when Woltk was only beta stage and we found this solution best at accuracy/speed axel.
From my short testing on target dummies with Wrathstrike MH and Webbed death off-hand (FT/FT) i noticed that using max rank flametongue on both weapons i lose about 15%-20% flametongue hits compared to my white hits. Using rank 9 on one of my weapons and rank 10 on the other i lose about 2%-5% flametongue hits. So my question is this:
Does the sim model the flametongue 'bug" (or hidden cooldown)? And if so, can i set it to use rank 9 flametongue on one of my weapons and rank 10 on the other?
Any opinions on this or if you could point me to the right direction if it has already been discussed would be appreciated.
Does the sim model the flametongue 'bug" (or hidden cooldown)? And if so, can i set it to use rank 9 flametongue on one of my weapons and rank 10 on the other?
Any opinions on this or if you could point me to the right direction if it has already been discussed would be appreciated.
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So, after reading so much about people finding fast mh spell dmg weapons running ft/ft working so well, I was lucky enough to find myself in a 10 man naxx where no one else wanted the hammer of the astral plane, so I nabbed it and ran to the test dummy. Threw FT 9 on the hammer (no enchant yet) in place of my CG, and FT 10 on my webbed death. With no buffs except for my totems (wf, soe, mana, ft), I beat on the dummy until I was oom after using SR, which gave me about a 3.5 minute test. Did it 5 times, averaged 2450 dps. Did the same with my CG, and ended up averaging 2375 dps. So, great, even with no enchant I just got a nice DPS increase which should only get bigger when raid buffed, or so I thought.
Punched my stats with the hammer into the sim, and simmed myself fully raid buffed with the CG, and again with the hammer, both multiple times, and am consistently finding myself going down ~ 130dps with the hammer. Configured the sim to have no buffs but my totems, and it's giving me the same results I got myself at the test dummy, hammer being better by ~ 75 dps. So, if the sim is correct, the hammer is better with no raid buffs, and CG is still better when fully buffed. Wanted to post my 2 config files, was hoping someone could double check them for me, make sure everything is right so I could make sure this is right for me.
Calamity's Grasp File
Hammer of the Astral Plane File
Thanks for any help you could provide!!
Edit: Whoops, had the CG file posted for both, fixed now. Also, forgot to mention that I manually added 2% extra spell crit on the hammer config for the 2nd flametongue imbue since I've read that the sim only adds 2%, not 4 if you have flametongue on both weapons.
Edit 2: After reading the OH weapon thread, tried the sim with swapping trinkets for the thunder capacitor. My DPS went up for both of them using it, about the same amount, around 130dps, so the CG is still higher.
Punched my stats with the hammer into the sim, and simmed myself fully raid buffed with the CG, and again with the hammer, both multiple times, and am consistently finding myself going down ~ 130dps with the hammer. Configured the sim to have no buffs but my totems, and it's giving me the same results I got myself at the test dummy, hammer being better by ~ 75 dps. So, if the sim is correct, the hammer is better with no raid buffs, and CG is still better when fully buffed. Wanted to post my 2 config files, was hoping someone could double check them for me, make sure everything is right so I could make sure this is right for me.
Calamity's Grasp File
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion - food wyrm_delight misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 33.5 oh_crit 33.5 mh_hit 10.55 oh_hit 10.55 mh_expertise_rating 214 oh_expertise_rating 214 ap 3648 haste 2.84 armor_penetration 2.40 str 129 agi 819 int 473 spi 153 spellpower 1094 spell_crit 25.79 spell_hit 13.19 max_mana 11211 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 meteorite_whetstone totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 1.8 oh_speed 1.4 mh_dps 90.5 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 33.18 oh_crit 33.18 mh_hit 10.55 oh_hit 10.55 mh_expertise_rating 214 oh_expertise_rating 214 ap 3559 haste 3.05 armor_penetration 2.40 str 129 agi 783 int 518 spi 153 spellpower 1528 spell_crit 28.17 spell_hit 13.19 max_mana 11886 mp5 0 mh_imbue flametongue oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 meteorite_whetstone totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 2/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Edit: Whoops, had the CG file posted for both, fixed now. Also, forgot to mention that I manually added 2% extra spell crit on the hammer config for the 2nd flametongue imbue since I've read that the sim only adds 2%, not 4 if you have flametongue on both weapons.
Edit 2: After reading the OH weapon thread, tried the sim with swapping trinkets for the thunder capacitor. My DPS went up for both of them using it, about the same amount, around 130dps, so the CG is still higher.
Last edited by mjgunn : 02/23/09 at 2:43 AM.
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Originally Posted by jasonf
From my short testing on target dummies with Wrathstrike MH and Webbed death off-hand (FT/FT) i noticed that using max rank flametongue on both weapons i lose about 15%-20% flametongue hits compared to my white hits. Using rank 9 on one of my weapons and rank 10 on the other i lose about 2%-5% flametongue hits. So my question is this:
Does the sim model the flametongue 'bug" (or hidden cooldown)? And if so, can i set it to use rank 9 flametongue on one of my weapons and rank 10 on the other? Any opinions on this or if you could point me to the right direction if it has already been discussed would be appreciated. |
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Originally Posted by Zayrinoke
The sim does not model it. In order to account for it when simming, simply subtract 33 Spellpower from your paper doll stats and then 12-15 DPS off your end result. Rank 9 should be on your mainhand, rank 10 on the offhand.
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IDK if anyone else has noticed (I'm quite sure most have but it hasn't been noted yet and I'm OCD on noting things hehe), but yet another reason FT/FT sims much higher -- and no I'm not being oblivious to the obviousness of the scaling of FT, I realize this is a huge factor as well as other things -- but do you notice that lightning shield damage goes from around 100 give or take 20 dps to around 210 give or take 20 dps (obviously using static shock)? Thats a 100 dps increase on just LS damage. It's because both weapons are fast weapons and are proccing it more often. I even notice this in combat that I'm refreshing it much more often than with a traditional WF/FT setup.
Last edited by kaoticz : 02/22/09 at 1:41 PM. Reason: poor word choice
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Originally Posted by kaoticz
IDK if anyone else has noticed (I'm quite sure most have but it hasn't been noted yet and I'm OCD on noting things hehe), but yet another reason FT/FT sims much higher -- and no I'm not being oblivious to the obviousness of the scaling of FT, I realize this is a huge factor as well as other things -- but do you notice that lightning shield damage goes from around 100 give or take 20 dps to around 210 give or take 20 dps (obviously using static shock)? Thats a 100 dps increase on just LS damage. It's because both weapons are fast weapons and are proccing it more often. I even notice this in combat that I'm refreshing it much more often than with a traditional WF/FT setup.
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The lightning shield damage boost you are seeing is from the additional spellpower not from the faster weapons. Keep in mind that Windfury Hits count as melee attacks so they can proc Lightning Shield while Flametongue hits can not. So even though you are using Windfury with a slower weapon you are hitting just as often, if not more often, due to those additional Windfury hits.
Does the sim assume LS procs can miss? Because it seems they can't, or if they do miss they don't show up in combat log at all. I did ~9000 swings on test dummy (that connected), along with another ~1000 WF attacks and had 568 LS procs, with ~4% spell miss (as shown by FT), and none of the LS show as missed or fully resisted. This was on the heroic dummy. Also in this run I had ~49% berserker uptime, and Procodile showed 176 procs and 1.76ppm for dual berserker but that doesn't count refreshes. This run had ~71% flurry uptime as well.
I downloaded Proculas and did a second test run on the L60 dummies, and did 9857 attacks on them with no weapon imbues or LS this time. Procodile reported 155 Berserker buffs and 1.72ppm without refreshes, however Proculas reported 303 procs including refreshes for a total of 3.36ppm over 90 minutes. Neither mod shows the uptime for dual berserker buffs unfortunately. This run had ~79% flurry uptime, no weapon imbues, and no special attacks, only WF and SoE totem for max haste and crit.
I did a few tests effectively naked wearing just weapons and a few items with the most hit and least crit on them. For this run I pulled [Pride] out of the bank that had mongoose on it to seperate out the mongoose and berserker procs. This run had no imbues, no totems, no specials, and ~41% flurry uptime. I observed a somewhat large gap between mongoose and berserking PPM rates, mongoose with 1.36ppm and berserking with 1.02ppm over 5000 seconds and ~6000 attacks, assuming thats just due to luck with mongoose and bad luck with berserking over a small set they could both still be in the 1.2ppm range, and they both average out there.
I had done another test prior to the above test with the wrong Procula version installed which only tracked mongoose and for that run it had mongoose at 1.11ppm with a 1hr test.
That doesn't change the fact that the full gear/haste version had ~1.7ppm x2 which is much harder to explain by a 90 minute lucky streak on both weapons, as it's ~41% higher than expected. Total average haste with 4pc T7 and flurry compensated for uptime, WF totem, item haste, and my [Meteorite Whetstone] averaged out with its uptime for the fight was ~67.4%, however if you take WF totem out of the equation then flurry + haste rating is ~39.5% haste. My naked haste including flurry was ~12%.
So this testing begs the following questions:
I know it would have been much better to spec out of flurry to eliminate that factor from the naked tests but I frankly didn't feel like it and I don't think it affected the results too much, esp since I dumped as much crit as I could for those tests.
I have fairly extensive screenshots of the above test results if anybody cares to see them, both recount, procodile, and proculas data. If you really want to see them let me know and I can post them.
If anybody else cares to repeat these tests I recommend both proc monitoring addons since Procodile shows total uptime and Proculas counts refreshes for a more accurate proc count.
I downloaded Proculas and did a second test run on the L60 dummies, and did 9857 attacks on them with no weapon imbues or LS this time. Procodile reported 155 Berserker buffs and 1.72ppm without refreshes, however Proculas reported 303 procs including refreshes for a total of 3.36ppm over 90 minutes. Neither mod shows the uptime for dual berserker buffs unfortunately. This run had ~79% flurry uptime, no weapon imbues, and no special attacks, only WF and SoE totem for max haste and crit.
I did a few tests effectively naked wearing just weapons and a few items with the most hit and least crit on them. For this run I pulled [Pride] out of the bank that had mongoose on it to seperate out the mongoose and berserker procs. This run had no imbues, no totems, no specials, and ~41% flurry uptime. I observed a somewhat large gap between mongoose and berserking PPM rates, mongoose with 1.36ppm and berserking with 1.02ppm over 5000 seconds and ~6000 attacks, assuming thats just due to luck with mongoose and bad luck with berserking over a small set they could both still be in the 1.2ppm range, and they both average out there.
I had done another test prior to the above test with the wrong Procula version installed which only tracked mongoose and for that run it had mongoose at 1.11ppm with a 1hr test.
That doesn't change the fact that the full gear/haste version had ~1.7ppm x2 which is much harder to explain by a 90 minute lucky streak on both weapons, as it's ~41% higher than expected. Total average haste with 4pc T7 and flurry compensated for uptime, WF totem, item haste, and my [Meteorite Whetstone] averaged out with its uptime for the fight was ~67.4%, however if you take WF totem out of the equation then flurry + haste rating is ~39.5% haste. My naked haste including flurry was ~12%.
So this testing begs the following questions:
- Are we sure the ppm for mongoose and berserking is 1.2? From my mostly naked tests it seems in that area but possibly slightly lower.
- Are we sure haste effects don't affect weapon proc rate? 3.36ppm over 90 minutes with dual berserking seems to fall fairly far outside the probability of a lucky streak.
- If some haste does affect it, do all haste effects affect it? If so then 41% more procs for 67% more haste was an unlucky streak, if only some effects do, and WF totem isn't one of them, then 39% more more haste matches the observed proc rate. If #1 is right about the lower proc rate, and the proc rate is actually 1ppm, then the 67% haste matches fairly well with 1.7ppm.
I know it would have been much better to spec out of flurry to eliminate that factor from the naked tests but I frankly didn't feel like it and I don't think it affected the results too much, esp since I dumped as much crit as I could for those tests.
I have fairly extensive screenshots of the above test results if anybody cares to see them, both recount, procodile, and proculas data. If you really want to see them let me know and I can post them.
If anybody else cares to repeat these tests I recommend both proc monitoring addons since Procodile shows total uptime and Proculas counts refreshes for a more accurate proc count.
I'm not sure if this is widely known but I've seen most people say that [Mirror of Truth] has a 60second cooldown but all of my geared tests today actually showed it at 50seconds ICD, not sure how it is in sim.
It's more likely a 45 sec CD which I believe is how most of our calculations use it.
I'm loving Proculas and will be monitoring in raid situations where I've got higher crit and I'm actually attacking not just on auto attack. However several times I've seen it refresh exactly at 50 but never before. I agree it sounds odd and 45 is more common but most of the data I've seen posted about it has the ICD in the 60sec range. Thats what the trinket thread uses.
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So after some time spent with EhnSim I picked up a [Cudgel of Saronite Justice] and a [Librarian's Paper Cutter], enchanted them both with Accuracy and Flametongue and tried them out in a Sarth 3D 10 man tonight. I also replaced one of my trinkets with the [Thunder Capacitor] (I had vendored it long ago but opened a ticket and they actually gave it back to me).
The results were interesting. I did slighty higher DPS than I normally do, but of course one Sarth 3D 10 man isnt exactly the best medium to test out the setup. By next Wednesday I will have data using the same setup from 25 man raids to post, but in the mean time I thought clueing people who want to test FT/FT on to the Paper Cutter was worth a post.
Its easier to get than a [Webbed Death], and outperformed the [Sinister Revenge]I had been OHing previously. If any of you want to test FT/FT but don't have access to a fast OH immediately my testing on EhnSim showed the Paper Cutter to be not too far behind Webbed Death and was able to buy one from trade for 35g.
Edit: typos
The results were interesting. I did slighty higher DPS than I normally do, but of course one Sarth 3D 10 man isnt exactly the best medium to test out the setup. By next Wednesday I will have data using the same setup from 25 man raids to post, but in the mean time I thought clueing people who want to test FT/FT on to the Paper Cutter was worth a post.
Its easier to get than a [Webbed Death], and outperformed the [Sinister Revenge]I had been OHing previously. If any of you want to test FT/FT but don't have access to a fast OH immediately my testing on EhnSim showed the Paper Cutter to be not too far behind Webbed Death and was able to buy one from trade for 35g.
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Last edited by Brynmor : 02/22/09 at 11:47 PM.
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*edit; Nevermind. [Thunder Capacitor] doesn't seem to have a 2.5 second cooldown as the text would indicate.
Last edited by Graul : 02/23/09 at 9:29 AM.
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Originally Posted by Graul
I also picked up [Thunder Capacitor] to exhange with [Mirror of Truth]. The Capacitor will also cap out at 128 DPS if it's actually supposed to release the bolt on the fourth charge. From eyeing it though it looks like the charge isn't released until your next spell crit after you have four charges. That lowers it to 102 DPS. Also, the lightning bolts from the trinket seem to be affected by your hit, but do not scale at all with spellpower. Does the Sim take this into account?
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Originally Posted by IMB111
The cooldown is only applied when the charge is released, so you get much more damage fron this trinket. It also scales very well with crit.
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It also does not appear to launch a bolt as soon as you gain four stacks because I've seen the buff sitting for another second or two. I've also seen it disappear almost instantly as well. It seems like it does not launch until your 5th spell crit, but the only way to know for sure is to look though the combat log. Regardless, it's outperforming the Mirror without raid buffs.
Last edited by Graul : 02/23/09 at 8:21 AM.
It's a mistake in the tooltip I guess and yes, it doeas indead release the charge on the fifth crit.
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Originally Posted by tukez
[Tears of Bitter Anguish] What's the cooldown?
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From the tests I've done so far, I believe the simulator has the correct values for the Thunder Capacitor. I put in my values with only my totems as buffs and swapped between it and Fury of the Five Flights. The Thunder Capacitor was 10dps behind Fury in situations where I only had my own buffs according to the sim. After doing 8 tests (each, 16 total) on the Heroic Training Dummy, actually swapping between the trinkets, the results were:
2769.67 dps average for the Capacitor
2780.87 for Fury of the Five Flights.
These results were achieved during roughly 5 minute attacking sessions against the dummy. The amount of damage done was divided by the number of seconds I attacked, rather than just going off the dps counter on Recount. Then the results were averaged. So it appears the Sim knows that it actually procs on the fifth charge and not the fourth. There were no factors that could skew the results as far as I know. It appears the Capacitor does in fact take your spell hit and crit into account, but it doesn't seem to be affected by spellpower or talents. Nor does it appear to eat Stormstrike charges.
According to the simulator, with buffs it'll scale a lot better than FotFF, resulting in about a 90 dps increase fully buffed. I'm no expert at this sort of thing, but if it's not affected by stormstrike, are we certain other buffs affect it, or is that just part of the mechanics of stormstrike that it isn't affected by other damage sources like trinkets?
Nevermind. As I was typing this, I was auto attacking the dummy and a druid debuffed it with Earth and Moon and it did increase the damage of the bolt procs.
2769.67 dps average for the Capacitor
2780.87 for Fury of the Five Flights.
These results were achieved during roughly 5 minute attacking sessions against the dummy. The amount of damage done was divided by the number of seconds I attacked, rather than just going off the dps counter on Recount. Then the results were averaged. So it appears the Sim knows that it actually procs on the fifth charge and not the fourth. There were no factors that could skew the results as far as I know. It appears the Capacitor does in fact take your spell hit and crit into account, but it doesn't seem to be affected by spellpower or talents. Nor does it appear to eat Stormstrike charges.
According to the simulator, with buffs it'll scale a lot better than FotFF, resulting in about a 90 dps increase fully buffed. I'm no expert at this sort of thing, but if it's not affected by stormstrike, are we certain other buffs affect it, or is that just part of the mechanics of stormstrike that it isn't affected by other damage sources like trinkets?
Nevermind. As I was typing this, I was auto attacking the dummy and a druid debuffed it with Earth and Moon and it did increase the damage of the bolt procs.
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I'm sure your busy working on the sim already but can we get it updated to show the fix to the WF glyph. The tooltip now correctly states what it actually does.
I'm sure your busy working on the sim already but can we get it updated to show the fix to the WF glyph. The tooltip now correctly states what it actually does.
Yea I'm waiting on WF glyph update as well. Really like to see what the difference is between FT Glyph and the new WF glyph.
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Originally Posted by mjgunn
So, after reading so much about people finding fast mh spell dmg weapons running ft/ft working so well, I was lucky enough to find myself in a 10 man naxx where no one else wanted the hammer of the astral plane, so I nabbed it and ran to the test dummy. Threw FT 9 on the hammer (no enchant yet) in place of my CG, and FT 10 on my webbed death. With no buffs except for my totems (wf, soe, mana, ft), I beat on the dummy until I was oom after using SR, which gave me about a 3.5 minute test. Did it 5 times, averaged 2450 dps. Did the same with my CG, and ended up averaging 2375 dps. So, great, even with no enchant I just got a nice DPS increase which should only get bigger when raid buffed, or so I thought.
Punched my stats with the hammer into the sim, and simmed myself fully raid buffed with the CG, and again with the hammer, both multiple times, and am consistently finding myself going down ~ 130dps with the hammer. Configured the sim to have no buffs but my totems, and it's giving me the same results I got myself at the test dummy, hammer being better by ~ 75 dps. So, if the sim is correct, the hammer is better with no raid buffs, and CG is still better when fully buffed. Wanted to post my 2 config files, was hoping someone could double check them for me, make sure everything is right so I could make sure this is right for me. |
Until the simulator has been updated to represent current mechanics all we can do is guess the line between WF/FT and FT/FT in a Raid buffed situation.
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I cant seem to get this to work correctly, I put in my stats as the appear on my character sheet, then fill in for buffs. I see in the source code that it takes buffs into account and applies them to your stats. but it consistently gives me 1000 less dps than i actually put out in raids. It also seems to have my hit rating incorrect. I have 10.05% spell hit, on top of the DW specialization, this should put me way over spell hit, yet i still get 6% miss on the sim. If you catch something i've done wrong let me know, or have more questions I"ll edit this to help. Thanks.
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 2000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 0 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 0 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 0 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
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mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 | 2 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 500 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 6
rotation_priority1 SR
rotation_priority2 MW5_LB
rotation_priority3 ES_ss
rotation_priority4 SS
rotation_priority5 LL
rotation_priority6 MT
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#BOSS#####
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miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 25.00 //%
armor 13083
spell_miss 13.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 0/3925 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/2.0 //%, bloody frenzy, 2nd talent spec TBA
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 40.0/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/10.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill
spell_damage_debuff 0.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of elements, totem of wrath
spellpower_buff 280/280 //focus magic, improved divine spirit, flametongue totem, demonic pact
spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir elixir_of_mighty_thoughts
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion -
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food spice_hot_talbuk
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
misc_item -
// { drums_of_battle | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
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race tauren //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.60
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 143.5
mh_crit 25.34 //%
oh_crit 25.34
mh_hit 8.05 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 8.05
mh_expertise_rating 9 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 9
ap 2925 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
haste 4.82 //%
armor_penetration 0.00 //%
str 125
agi 673
int 368
spi 145
spellpower 877 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 18.75 //%
spell_hit 10.05 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
max_mana 10000
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | - }
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | berserking | - }
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood
trinket2 mirror_of_truth
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | mark_of_norgannon | fezziks_pocketwatch |
// thorny_rose_brooch | rune_of_finite_variation | bandits_insignia |
// darkmoon_card_greatness | pendulum_of_telluric_currents |
// vestige_of_haldor | twilight_serpent | - }
totem totem_of_splintering
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | totem_of_dueling | totem_of_the_elemental_plane |
// deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | hateful_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// savage_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | deadly_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// hateful_gladiators_totem_of_survival | savage_gladiators_totem_of_survival | - }
set_bonus -
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | - }
metagem -
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 lightning_bolt
glyph_major3 stormstrike
glyph_major4 -
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 5/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 0/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 3/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 0/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Last edited by Nicadimos : 02/23/09 at 6:14 PM.
More berserker proc rate testing.
L60 dummy, 1hr duration, self buffed with SoE, WF, and mana spring totem.
6918 melee attacks, 802 WF attacks, 702 storm strikes, 385 lava lashes.
Berserker uptime 54.5%, not a lot higher than auto attack, however the PPM changed considerably. I had 256 procs in 3605 seconds for
4.26ppm over the hour, or 0.9ppm higher than my auto attack test. I also had more haste due to my hyperspeed accelerators and totem of hex. Meteorite Whetstone uptime/ppm seemed about the same, Mirror uptime/ppm was a tiny bit higher.
The higher proc rate with the not much higher total uptime means there was a lot more refreshes obviously but I also have a feeling it affected the dual berserking uptime a good bit more than is represented. Unfortunately as I said before the mod doesn't track that.
I'd say this test with the other I did leans strongly toward a 1ppm rate on the enchant, however it is affected by haste.
I might do the test again sometime with my Pride again and test the overall uptimes for berserker and mongoose over an hour or so.
Assuming no server bugs and all SS's and LL's and OH melee attacks gave 1 FT attack, there were 2845 MH attacks and 4073 OH auto attacks. This gives 4809 OH attacks total and 3998 MH attacks. assuming the 1ppm rate I gave above and 2.6MH and 1.4OH that's 4.33% MH chance and 2.33% OH chance. That's 173MH procs and 112OH procs, for a total of 285 theoretical procs. So if my assumtions are right there's still 29 missing procs, but is within ~10% of the value. A number of procs could have been lost to same time procs from insta attacks or WF procs, and the server may have a cache and only send updates every few msec and if say an auto attack and SS both proc one maybe it only sends the one update, not sure there.
Assuming the 1.2ppm rate unaffected by haste then over 60 mins with dual berserking you're looking at 144, assuming 1.2ppm for specials is based off of base speed still that's 2.8% chance on OH specials and 5.2% for MH specials. That gives 60 MH procs and 21 OH procs on specials. This puts us off at -31ppm for the assumed 1.2 rate, and also assumes no dual procs that may have only shown as one in the log. being over 10% low with no way to count for the discrepancy doesn't sound right either.
L60 dummy, 1hr duration, self buffed with SoE, WF, and mana spring totem.
6918 melee attacks, 802 WF attacks, 702 storm strikes, 385 lava lashes.
Berserker uptime 54.5%, not a lot higher than auto attack, however the PPM changed considerably. I had 256 procs in 3605 seconds for
4.26ppm over the hour, or 0.9ppm higher than my auto attack test. I also had more haste due to my hyperspeed accelerators and totem of hex. Meteorite Whetstone uptime/ppm seemed about the same, Mirror uptime/ppm was a tiny bit higher.
The higher proc rate with the not much higher total uptime means there was a lot more refreshes obviously but I also have a feeling it affected the dual berserking uptime a good bit more than is represented. Unfortunately as I said before the mod doesn't track that.
I'd say this test with the other I did leans strongly toward a 1ppm rate on the enchant, however it is affected by haste.
I might do the test again sometime with my Pride again and test the overall uptimes for berserker and mongoose over an hour or so.
Assuming no server bugs and all SS's and LL's and OH melee attacks gave 1 FT attack, there were 2845 MH attacks and 4073 OH auto attacks. This gives 4809 OH attacks total and 3998 MH attacks. assuming the 1ppm rate I gave above and 2.6MH and 1.4OH that's 4.33% MH chance and 2.33% OH chance. That's 173MH procs and 112OH procs, for a total of 285 theoretical procs. So if my assumtions are right there's still 29 missing procs, but is within ~10% of the value. A number of procs could have been lost to same time procs from insta attacks or WF procs, and the server may have a cache and only send updates every few msec and if say an auto attack and SS both proc one maybe it only sends the one update, not sure there.
Assuming the 1.2ppm rate unaffected by haste then over 60 mins with dual berserking you're looking at 144, assuming 1.2ppm for specials is based off of base speed still that's 2.8% chance on OH specials and 5.2% for MH specials. That gives 60 MH procs and 21 OH procs on specials. This puts us off at -31ppm for the assumed 1.2 rate, and also assumes no dual procs that may have only shown as one in the log. being over 10% low with no way to count for the discrepancy doesn't sound right either.
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World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> The Windfury Glyph Change
(e) It's raining sunshine, not only did we get that response and even with the threatened dps nerfs I'm still happy about the proposed changes, but I beat Malan to posting it as well.
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Here is a mini Enhancement enchant update. I know you guys have been itching for this for awhile. It just took the designers some time to sit down and discuss the issue, and then I had to catch up with the discussion after being out. 1) The extra AP for the Windfury Weapon Glyph is not intentional and I believe has been hotfixed. 2) Our goal is WF / FT on main hand / offhand. 3) Our goal is Enhancement generally favors slow weapons for main hand / offhand. 4) To satisfy 2 & 3, we are normalizing flametongue's damage to weapon speed. If you use a fast weapon now for FT, your damage will come down. If you use a slow weapon, your damage will come up. Please keep that in mind as you continue to gear up preparing for patch 3.1. 5) Our intention with these changes is not to nerf Enhancement damage overall. However, we are concerned that Enhancement PvE damage is quite high (compared to where other classes are in the 3.1 space) so it's possible that we will end up lowering your damage slightly. But the changes outlined above are not intended to do that. 6) Overall, we are really happy with the basic attack rotation of Enhancement. Shamans are pushing the buttons we want them to push and generally doing what we expect. PvP utility is still something we are looking at however. |
Last edited by Rouncer : 02/23/09 at 6:32 PM.
GC posted that they're going to (finally) fix the FT scaling so that Enhancement prefers Slow/Slow again.
e; fb by rounce
Took em long enough, we've been raising that issue multiple times during Alpha and Beta.
e; fb by rounce
Took em long enough, we've been raising that issue multiple times during Alpha and Beta.
So it sounds like we should be shooting for Calamity/Angry Dread, assuming Blizzard makes the appropriate changes to get us back to slow/slow?
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Originally Posted by Daenerys
So it sounds like we should be shooting for Calamity/Angry Dread, assuming Blizzard makes the appropriate changes to get us back to slow/slow?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
or possibly the 10 man fist since matched weapon speeds do seem to have some advantages in Flurry uptime if you can keep the weapons synced (too bad I have never seen it drop but at least I got a Angry Dread last week, my guild's second one to date).
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Fixing flametongue's spellpower coefficient, by making it scale with weapon base speed was the best solution and I'm quite happy, that they do this, instead of some other crazy ideas. Now lets wait and see, what the exact scaling will be. I would say, 10% at a speed of 2.5 seconds should be a fair value.
Now if the would also let melee haste reduce windfury's internal cooldown, our mechanics would be fine finally.
Now if the would also let melee haste reduce windfury's internal cooldown, our mechanics would be fine finally.
Tramana did some testing that was pretty conclusive that it is possible to keep weapons synced over a long period of time although I agree that relying on keeping them that way doesn't exactly thrill me and I will stick to my Angry Dread (if I could even manage to actually get a Stray) unless the weapon speed starts to matter more the the dps spread without taking that sync effect into account.
I rather liked the concept of fast OH = more FT/Static Shock damage, slow OH = more MW/LL/SS damage, but for equal stats speed matters little. From what I understood it was stats not speed that made Webbed Death the BiS OH and it wasn't far off from the next BiS item which was slow.
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
I rather liked the concept of fast OH = more FT/Static Shock damage, slow OH = more MW/LL/SS damage, but for equal stats speed matters little. From what I understood it was stats not speed that made Webbed Death the BiS OH and it wasn't far off from the next BiS item which was slow.
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For Webbed Death is was the weapon's speed that made it BiS, the Flametongue damage that thing can generate far outweighed any loss in MW/LL/SS damage.
I wonder if the FT normalisation will be hotfixed in this reset or they are planning it for 3.1?
GC did announce recently that they want to cut down on the time that class has to wait for a fix to mechanics, i.e., not have to wait for a patch (major or otherwise) before any change is made.
GC did announce recently that they want to cut down on the time that class has to wait for a fix to mechanics, i.e., not have to wait for a patch (major or otherwise) before any change is made.
EnhSim 1.5.9
1.5.9
-Removed ap bonus from wf glyph.
-Changed PPM of Mongoose, Executioner and Berserking to 1.2.
-Removed Glyph of Earth Shock, added Glyph of Shocking.
-Added homepage tab to GUI.
Because of the homepage tab, the GUI will try to connect to net.
-Removed ap bonus from wf glyph.
-Changed PPM of Mongoose, Executioner and Berserking to 1.2.
-Removed Glyph of Earth Shock, added Glyph of Shocking.
-Added homepage tab to GUI.
Because of the homepage tab, the GUI will try to connect to net.
I'm pretty glad I didn't burn 3k arena points on a spellblade, but what does that mean for a slow spellpower mainhand? FT or WF on my Wraith Strike already give me similar results. I can imagine Ulduar is going to have exactly zero slow spellpower weapons.
Hi Tukez & Mac compilers,
I was trying to compile the 1.5.9 release for a Mac using the boost_1_37_0 and I got the following error:
error: config/no_tr1/utility.hpp: No such file or directory
When I tried using the boost folder provided in the source I got:
error: boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/stdlib/libstdcpp.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/platform/macros.hpp: No such file or directory
Ideas?
I was trying to compile the 1.5.9 release for a Mac using the boost_1_37_0 and I got the following error:
error: config/no_tr1/utility.hpp: No such file or directory
When I tried using the boost folder provided in the source I got:
error: boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/stdlib/libstdcpp.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/platform/macros.hpp: No such file or directory
Ideas?
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Proposed alteration to sim from PTR notes:
| * Unleashed Rage - Reduced to 3 points, down from 5. Each point now also increases your total Agility by 1/2/3%. |
Last edited by rava : 02/24/09 at 2:28 AM.
I made a 3.1 thread - please move discussion of the notes to there unless it is specific to the Sim.
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Originally Posted by Caladiera
Hi Tukez & Mac compilers,
I was trying to compile the 1.5.9 release for a Mac using the boost_1_37_0 and I got the following error: error: config/no_tr1/utility.hpp: No such file or directory When I tried using the boost folder provided in the source I got: error: boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp: No such file or directory error: boost/config/stdlib/libstdcpp.hpp: No such file or directory error: boost/config/platform/macros.hpp: No such file or directory Ideas? |
I can't tell much about those errors..gcc.hpp and macros.hpp are included in the dir. libstdcpp.hpp is not.
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It's from following the compile instructions in xCode. Unfortunately I tried it multiple ways, both specifying the lib path and not specifying it. Neither worked for whatever reason. I've moved on to a windows system though so I'm not going to be able to figure out the OS X stuff anymore.
[late edit] finally having a system that can multi-thread the sim is fantastic. So today I tested out the rawr.enhance export option (works well) and checked on a few things. Despite the misgivings of some toward Magma Totem, I found that with 2/3 Call of Fire that prioritizing MT over LS, LL and even ES resulted in about 30-40 dps improvement each bump upward. The first decrease in DPS was when I prioritized over SS, and that was only about a 10 dps drop. With that in mind I shifted a third point to 3/3 Call of Fire (pulled the point from Static Shock to 2/3), and was very surprised to find that Static Shock 3/3 definitely out performs 3/3 Call of Fire despite the enormous dps presence of Magma Totem.
[late edit] finally having a system that can multi-thread the sim is fantastic. So today I tested out the rawr.enhance export option (works well) and checked on a few things. Despite the misgivings of some toward Magma Totem, I found that with 2/3 Call of Fire that prioritizing MT over LS, LL and even ES resulted in about 30-40 dps improvement each bump upward. The first decrease in DPS was when I prioritized over SS, and that was only about a 10 dps drop. With that in mind I shifted a third point to 3/3 Call of Fire (pulled the point from Static Shock to 2/3), and was very surprised to find that Static Shock 3/3 definitely out performs 3/3 Call of Fire despite the enormous dps presence of Magma Totem.
Last edited by Malan : 02/24/09 at 9:22 PM.
i was just wondering if i have flametongue on my weapon do i include the extra SP and crit i get into my base stats or do i need to remove the flametongue enchant them use those stats?
remove all buffs and weapon imbues before copying your paperdoll stats
Well Malan, you have to remember you are comparing ~15% damage of fire totem to all the damage of static shock. Or if you go by last point then it is 50% increase of damage (4->6 is 50%) vs less than 5% increase of fire totem damage.
Odai, remove all weapon enchants before the export. Simulator automatically adds the FT spellpower to your stats.
Odai, remove all weapon enchants before the export. Simulator automatically adds the FT spellpower to your stats.
Couldn't OSX compile ZThread? That sounds weird. It's just a wrapper lib anyway.
mathiasm@zerg:/tmp$ ldd ~/Download/ZThread/lib/libZThread-2.3.so.2
libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00002abdde88c000)
librt.so.1 => /lib64/librt.so.1 (0x00002abddeaa7000)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00002abddecb0000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00002abddefb1000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00002abddf234000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00002abddf58a000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000003630400000)
Is [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Giant Slayer] available for testing in the sim? It's looking like a decent number of bosses in Ulduar are going to be classified as giants, but I've never seen any information about that enchant and what it does/how good it might be.
I know this is the wrong place, and Malan/Rounced are going to barbeque me for it, but I'm having a problem with Shock and Awe, and I don't know where else to post this, I can't find the Shock and Awe thread, which I thought (?) existed at some point. Anyways, I rely heavily on the combo points below the priority frame for MW; on fights that require your attention to be elsewhere, it's nice to be able to see your stacks in the middle of the screen. However, since the latest patch, the combo points have been badly screwed up, it seems like whenever I leave combat, however many stacks of MW I have stay on my combo bars, and never change again. For example, if I left combat, and I had 3 charges of MW, and they expired, when I entered combat again, I would still have 3 combo points according to Shock and Awe, and it wouldn't change, it would then be permanently stuck at 3 combo points until I re-log. I've already deleted the mod and re-downloaded it, and it's the more recent version. Any thoughts? Help would be greatly appreciated.
Every time i try to open the gui i get an error that says "the application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135)."
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by Juzluu
I know this is the wrong place, and Malan/Rounced are going to barbeque me for it,
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my sim has gone crazy, I started getting wierd stats like:
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline -1339371
ap 1 -51 -1341431 -2060
crit rating 3 -132 -1342020 -2649
hit rating 1 -70 -1340778 -1407
expertise rating 3 -132 -1340457 -1086
haste rating -0 12 -1339121 250
armor penetration rating -0 14 -1339084 287
spellpower -0 16 -1338989 382
mh dps -6 328 -1336911 2460
oh dps -4 203 -1337847 1524
strength 1
agility 0
intelligence* 2
spirit -0 0 0 1339371
mana -0 0 0 1339371
mp5 -0 0 0 1339371
* part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests.
( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1, CritRating=3, HitRating=1, HasteRating=-0, ExpertiseRating=3, ArmorPenetration=-0, SpellDamage=-0, MainHandDps=-6, OffHandDps=-4, Strength=1, Agility=0, Intellect=2, Spirit=-0, Mana=-0, Mp5=-0 )
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?C...1&arp=-0&Exp=3
elapsed simulation time: 11000h
elapsed real time: 17s
simulation speed: 2287430x
Thing is.. I didn't change anything, any ideas?
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline -1339371
ap 1 -51 -1341431 -2060
crit rating 3 -132 -1342020 -2649
hit rating 1 -70 -1340778 -1407
expertise rating 3 -132 -1340457 -1086
haste rating -0 12 -1339121 250
armor penetration rating -0 14 -1339084 287
spellpower -0 16 -1338989 382
mh dps -6 328 -1336911 2460
oh dps -4 203 -1337847 1524
strength 1
agility 0
intelligence* 2
spirit -0 0 0 1339371
mana -0 0 0 1339371
mp5 -0 0 0 1339371
* part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests.
( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1, CritRating=3, HitRating=1, HasteRating=-0, ExpertiseRating=3, ArmorPenetration=-0, SpellDamage=-0, MainHandDps=-6, OffHandDps=-4, Strength=1, Agility=0, Intellect=2, Spirit=-0, Mana=-0, Mp5=-0 )
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?C...1&arp=-0&Exp=3
elapsed simulation time: 11000h
elapsed real time: 17s
simulation speed: 2287430x
Thing is.. I didn't change anything, any ideas?
I got some questions, that bother me and maybe someone could give me the answers.
Here my current stats.
Here the output.
First of all before i start with my questions, i've to excuse for my bad grammar, because english isnt my native language.
ok here we go.
When i play arround with the sim...
1. why is totem of hex the best choice for me, when everyone claims the opposite.
2. why does the current windfury glyph do more dps than any other choice like LB, LS or LL
3. why do i make more dps ,ingame and in the sim, with a slow offhand (like 3.3k dps selfbuffed at heroic doll) instead of webbed death ( 3.2k dps)
4. why do i get such strange numbers, when i have Bandits Insignia equipped
I hope u can help me, cause atm i dunno who i can trust or if the sim isnt reliable.
Here my current stats.
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 300 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 1 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 20 ep_crit_rating 10 ep_hit_rating 10 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 10 ep_armor_penetration_rating 10 ep_spellpower 10 ep_dps 7 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 0 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 MW4_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LL miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance shadow_resistance armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food snapper_extreme misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.06 oh_crit 32.06 mh_hit 10.77 oh_hit 10.77 mh_expertise_rating 209 oh_expertise_rating 209 ap 3849 haste 3.6 armor_penetration 4.42 str 131 agi 804 int 521 spi 155 spellpower 1154 spell_crit 24.81 spell_hit 13.46 max_mana 9876 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 fury_of_the_five_flights totem totem_of_hex set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
MH:
miss 208445 8.99%
dodge 5808 0.25%
glancing 575122 24.81%
hit 442295 19.08%
crit 1086747 46.87%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.69%
procs/swings 15.36%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 2389 0.29%
hit 415508 49.81%
crit 416223 49.90%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 988 0.25%
hit 198191 50.05%
crit 196797 49.70%
OH:
miss 216645 8.98%
dodge 6027 0.25%
glancing 598208 24.79%
hit 462323 19.16%
crit 1129600 46.82%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1632285 54.10%
crit 1384709 45.90%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 962 0.24%
hit 198166 50.17%
crit 195860 49.59%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 256740 54.06%
crit 218173 45.94%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 1149 0.26%
hit 217533 50.12%
crit 215304 49.61%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 321023 54.18%
crit 271508 45.82%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 45.02
flurry uptime 88.71%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 82.29%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 40.28%
oh enchant uptime 35.47%
trinket1 uptime 20.56%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 -1.#J%
mp5 0.00 -1.#J%
replenishment 0.00 -1.#J%
unrelenting storm 0.00 -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 -1.#J%
shamanistic rage 0.00 -1.#J%
mana potion 0.00 -1.#J%
misc potion 0.00 -1.#J%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2163.28 34.08% 78.85
windfury 955.78 15.06% 6.95
flametongue 520.48 8.2% 50.28
stormstrike 417.24 6.57% 6.60 36.36 18.98%
lava lash 230.44 3.63% 7.23 14.04 7.33%
magma totem 528.93 8.33% 2.89 53.69 28.02%
earth shock 543.67 8.57% 7.92 30.03 15.68%
lightning bolt 987.09 15.55% 9.88 57.47 29.99%
DPS 6346.91
MPS 191.59
MP2min 22991.26
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.06s
simulation speed: 1175702x
ok here we go.
When i play arround with the sim...
1. why is totem of hex the best choice for me, when everyone claims the opposite.
2. why does the current windfury glyph do more dps than any other choice like LB, LS or LL
3. why do i make more dps ,ingame and in the sim, with a slow offhand (like 3.3k dps selfbuffed at heroic doll) instead of webbed death ( 3.2k dps)
4. why do i get such strange numbers, when i have Bandits Insignia equipped
white 2076.75 -0.43% 78.85 windfury 923.60 -0.18% 6.95 flametongue 507.46 -0.1% 50.28 stormstrike 400.40 -0.07% 6.60 36.35 18.99% lava lash 221.33 -0.04% 7.23 14.03 7.33% magma totem 519.90 -0.1% 2.89 53.69 28.05% earth shock 531.75 -0.1% 7.92 29.93 15.63% lightning bolt 959.61 -0.19% 9.86 57.42 30.00% misc -482901.69101.29% 1.23
1, 2 I'm having the same results about those, and I'm not sure where did you get that everyone is claiming that hex is the wrong totem, never seen someone saying stuff like that. 4. you're missing arcane resistance from the config file and BI does arcane damage.
Optimal Set
I'm always looking for the best gear set available and I want you to help me if anything out could beat this:
[Valorous Earthshatter Faceguard]: [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Arcanum of Torment]
[Favor of the Dragon Queen]: [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter Shoulderguards]: [Greater Inscription of the Axe], [Precise Dragon's Eye]
[Drape of the Deadly Foe]: Major Agility
[Valorous Earthshatter Chestguard]: Powerful Stats, [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Rigid Dragon's Eye]
[Slime Stream Bands]: Greater Assault, [Rigid Dragon's Eye], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Frosted Adroit Handguards]: [Bright Scarlet Ruby], Crusher
[Torn Web Wrapping]: [Eternal Belt Buckle], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter War-Kilt]: [Icescale Leg Armor], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Pristine Monarch Topaz]
[Boots of the Renewed Flight]: Icewalker
[Surge Needle Ring], [Ring of Invincibility]
[Mirror of Truth], [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
[Calamity's Grasp]: Berserking
[The Stray]: Berserking
[Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability]
The summarized set can be found here: Chardev.
explanatory notes:
- I'll just aim for 6.25% expertise even if it's not capped. I watched the dodges seriously for a long time and I made the following conclusion: 0.25% less expertise just leads to 0.1% white dodges and 0% yellow dodges. Maybe I'm just lucky, but give it a try.
- Otherwise I have few haste as possible taken. As a result the windfury damage increases rapidly.
- Already pre patch 3.01 [The Stray] is simmed BiS for me.
Here the stats.
Here the output.
[Valorous Earthshatter Faceguard]: [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Arcanum of Torment]
[Favor of the Dragon Queen]: [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter Shoulderguards]: [Greater Inscription of the Axe], [Precise Dragon's Eye]
[Drape of the Deadly Foe]: Major Agility
[Valorous Earthshatter Chestguard]: Powerful Stats, [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Rigid Dragon's Eye]
[Slime Stream Bands]: Greater Assault, [Rigid Dragon's Eye], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Frosted Adroit Handguards]: [Bright Scarlet Ruby], Crusher
[Torn Web Wrapping]: [Eternal Belt Buckle], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter War-Kilt]: [Icescale Leg Armor], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Pristine Monarch Topaz]
[Boots of the Renewed Flight]: Icewalker
[Surge Needle Ring], [Ring of Invincibility]
[Mirror of Truth], [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
[Calamity's Grasp]: Berserking
[The Stray]: Berserking
[Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability]
The summarized set can be found here: Chardev.
explanatory notes:
- I'll just aim for 6.25% expertise even if it's not capped. I watched the dodges seriously for a long time and I made the following conclusion: 0.25% less expertise just leads to 0.1% white dodges and 0% yellow dodges. Maybe I'm just lucky, but give it a try.
- Otherwise I have few haste as possible taken. As a result the windfury damage increases rapidly.
- Already pre patch 3.01 [The Stray] is simmed BiS for me.
Here the stats.
simulation_time 15000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 25 max_lag 50 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 500 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 300 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 MT rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 SR rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.25 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food dalaran_clam_chowder misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 34.5 oh_crit 34.5 mh_hit 11.28 oh_hit 11.28 mh_expertise_rating 205 oh_expertise_rating 205 ap 3762 haste 3.63 armor_penetration 4.4 str 135 agi 901 int 463 spi 155 spellpower 1129 spell_crit 25.75 spell_hit 14 max_mana 11060 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Here the output.
MH:
miss 3633776 9.73%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 9330734 25.00%
hit 5575521 14.94%
crit 18790139 50.33%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.67%
procs/swings 15.27%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 6169694 46.64%
crit 7059292 53.36%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2801106 46.76%
crit 3189060 53.24%
OH:
miss 3615606 9.69%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 9287127 24.88%
hit 5571016 14.92%
crit 18856421 50.51%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 26025732 55.19%
crit 21128164 44.81%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2798981 46.73%
crit 3191185 53.27%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4375560 55.20%
crit 3551044 44.80%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 3466763 46.54%
crit 3982403 53.46%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4290392 55.16%
crit 3487310 44.84%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 6630135 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 48.16
flurry uptime 95.92%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 80.60%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 42.38%
oh enchant uptime 38.00%
trinket1 uptime 32.51%
trinket2 uptime 18.33%
totem uptime 82.77%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 0.00 0.00%
replenishment 0.00 0.00%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 100.00%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1833.52 29.98% 82.96
windfury 802.83 13.13% 7.35
flametongue 556.05 9.09% 52.39
stormstrike 337.18 5.51% 6.66 36.67 15.57%
lava lash 276.93 4.53% 8.28 22.80 9.68%
magma totem 578.57 9.46% 3.00 55.79 23.69%
earth shock 609.19 9.96% 8.81 56.91 24.17%
lightning bolt 837.86 13.7% 8.64 63.32 26.89%
lightning shield 283.65 4.64% 0.82 0.00 0.00%
DPS 6115.78
MPS 235.49
MP2min 28258.52
MRPS 9.11
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 15000.00h
elapsed real time: 20.56s
simulation speed: 2626203x
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Originally Posted by Duscha
- I'll just aim for 6.25% expertise even if it's not capped. I watched the dodges seriously for a long time and I made the following conclusion: 0.25% less expertise just leads to 0.1% white dodges and 0% yellow dodges. Maybe I'm just lucky, but give it a try.
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I got stable 205 expertise rating for several weeks and the results were always the same: 0.1% white dodges and rarely some Windfury dodges even on a whole Naxxramas run. Finally are 18 attackpower more valuable than the last 9 expertise. The sim can't calculate it properly.
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Originally Posted by Duscha
I got stable 205 expertise rating for several weeks and the results were always the same: 0.1% white dodges and rarely some Windfury dodges even on a whole Naxxramas run. Finally are 18 attackpower more valuable than the last 9 expertise. The sim can't calculate it properly.
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Every missed Windfury is a lot of lost damage. If you want to make the Sim as accurate as possible then you need to give the proper dodge value or you are just dicking around. If you want to try to take being 0.0019% over 6.25% into account then just reduce the value of boss dodge to 6.4981 and then the results will be perfectly accurate.
Think about it this way. You are talking about a missed dodge or two in a multi-hour Naxx as being a representative sample. The sim as you have it set up is running 15,000 hours for you and if you have missed a single dodge with 6.25% then the cap is higher then that. Give the sim the correct value because garbage in equals garbage out. As for whether 18 AP is more valuable then 9 expertise that really is a personal determination that you really have to make for yourself.
Zanpaku, it seems u have solved my problem, it was bandits insignia that was making my sim go crazy with all the wierd ep values, just like ur's, guess its a bug?
Is there a guide to compiling the sim on the PC if we want to make some changes? Everything I've seen in this thread and on the official site are for compiling for mac.
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Originally Posted by rastotem
Zanpaku, it seems u have solved my problem, it was bandits insignia that was making my sim go crazy with all the wierd ep values, just like ur's, guess its a bug?
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Here my results with Bandits Insignia:
MH:
miss 208651 9.00%
dodge 5774 0.25%
glancing 577167 24.90%
hit 443264 19.12%
crit 1083495 46.74%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.70%
procs/swings 15.37%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 2318 0.28%
hit 417257 50.00%
crit 414971 49.72%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 951 0.24%
hit 199104 50.29%
crit 195854 49.47%
OH:
miss 217149 9.00%
dodge 6076 0.25%
glancing 599474 24.85%
hit 460735 19.10%
crit 1129302 46.81%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1631609 54.09%
crit 1384759 45.91%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 955 0.24%
hit 198489 50.26%
crit 195514 49.50%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 257443 54.19%
crit 217629 45.81%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 1125 0.26%
hit 217488 50.11%
crit 215366 49.63%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 320361 54.05%
crit 272326 45.95%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 45.04
flurry uptime 88.69%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 82.35%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 40.26%
oh enchant uptime 35.38%
trinket1 uptime 20.56%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 -1.#J%
mp5 0.00 -1.#J%
replenishment 0.00 -1.#J%
unrelenting storm 0.00 -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 -1.#J%
shamanistic rage 0.00 -1.#J%
mana potion 0.00 -1.#J%
misc potion 0.00 -1.#J%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2076.30 33.53% 78.85
windfury 922.56 14.9% 6.95
flametongue 507.51 8.2% 50.27
stormstrike 400.33 6.46% 6.60 36.36 18.98%
lava lash 221.30 3.57% 7.23 14.04 7.33%
magma totem 519.68 8.39% 2.89 53.69 28.03%
earth shock 531.41 8.58% 7.92 29.97 15.64%
lightning bolt 960.67 15.51% 9.88 57.52 30.03%
misc 52.68 0.85% 1.23
DPS 6192.43
MPS 191.57
MP2min 22988.02
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.03s
simulation speed: 1187726x
MH:
miss 208423 8.99%
dodge 5715 0.25%
glancing 576077 24.85%
hit 443849 19.14%
crit 1084314 46.77%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.73%
procs/swings 15.40%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 2436 0.29%
hit 416564 49.83%
crit 416994 49.88%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 991 0.25%
hit 199194 50.31%
crit 195774 49.44%
OH:
miss 216778 8.98%
dodge 5946 0.25%
glancing 598929 24.82%
hit 462067 19.15%
crit 1129040 46.79%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1632544 54.11%
crit 1384488 45.89%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 927 0.23%
hit 198146 50.17%
crit 195895 49.60%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 257369 54.19%
crit 217613 45.81%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 1115 0.26%
hit 217774 50.17%
crit 215181 49.57%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 319682 53.99%
crit 272442 46.01%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 44.99
flurry uptime 88.66%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 82.36%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 40.42%
oh enchant uptime 35.36%
trinket1 uptime 20.55%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 -1.#J%
mp5 0.00 -1.#J%
replenishment 0.00 -1.#J%
unrelenting storm 0.00 -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 -1.#J%
shamanistic rage 0.00 -1.#J%
mana potion 0.00 -1.#J%
misc potion 0.00 -1.#J%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2161.80 34.06% 78.85
windfury 957.80 15.09% 6.97
flametongue 520.47 8.2% 50.28
stormstrike 416.74 6.57% 6.60 36.36 18.99%
lava lash 230.44 3.63% 7.23 14.03 7.33%
magma totem 528.93 8.33% 2.89 53.68 28.03%
earth shock 543.26 8.56% 7.92 29.94 15.64%
lightning bolt 987.86 15.56% 9.87 57.47 30.01%
DPS 6347.31
MPS 191.48
MP2min 22977.94
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.20s
simulation speed: 1123946x
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Something weird that I have noticed, if write that I have 13.24% spell hit chance, along with Shadow Priest debuff that gives an extra 3% hit, making it 16.24% I get the "hit goes past caps" while as far as I know hit is capped at 17%, is there something I am missing?
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Originally Posted by rastotem
Something weird that I have noticed, if write that I have 13.24% spell hit chance, along with Shadow Priest debuff that gives an extra 3% hit, making it 16.24% I get the "hit goes past caps" while as far as I know hit is capped at 17%, is there something I am missing?
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Oh didn't think of that one 
, so I want to reduce my hit ep? and if so by how much? at the moment its a value of 20.
, so I want to reduce my hit ep? and if so by how much? at the moment its a value of 20.Just use a negative value.
I must be doing something wrong. I'm trying to use the simulator. I have two rogue weapons because nothing more shammy-like has dropped for me yet and their DPS was vastly better than my blue weapons. So, with simulation I found I got better DPS with FT on both and it out does my DPS using my 130 dps weapon MH with WF (in the simulation).
So today I was playing and plugged in the values for Calamity's Grasp and Angry Dread, using WF/FT. It's about the same as the numbers I was getting on my two daggers with FT/FT. Here's my armory: Me with two knives
Am I doing something wrong in the simulator or is this just the way it is with WF and FT these days? Also, the calculated DPS is quite a lot lower than I'm actually doing on Patchwerk. I'm doing 3900ish on him and the simulator has me around 3067. I know I'm not perfect on my rotation and I forget to refresh Magma totem sometimes, so I know I can do even better.
Here's my config file with the knives. I just changed weapon speed and DPS for the slow weapon tests (didn't bother to fuss with all the stats it'd change figuring it'd be minor). Oh yes, I changed over to Windfury glyph from Flametongue too.
Thanks for your help.
So today I was playing and plugged in the values for Calamity's Grasp and Angry Dread, using WF/FT. It's about the same as the numbers I was getting on my two daggers with FT/FT. Here's my armory: Me with two knives
Am I doing something wrong in the simulator or is this just the way it is with WF and FT these days? Also, the calculated DPS is quite a lot lower than I'm actually doing on Patchwerk. I'm doing 3900ish on him and the simulator has me around 3067. I know I'm not perfect on my rotation and I forget to refresh Magma totem sometimes, so I know I can do even better.
Here's my config file with the knives. I just changed weapon speed and DPS for the slow weapon tests (didn't bother to fuss with all the stats it'd change figuring it'd be minor). Oh yes, I changed over to Windfury glyph from Flametongue too.
Thanks for your help.
race draenei mh_speed 1.8 oh_speed 1.5 mh_dps 171.1 oh_dps 156.7 mh_crit 24.81 oh_crit 24.81 mh_hit 12.08 oh_hit 12.08 mh_expertise_rating 181 oh_expertise_rating 181 ap 3238 haste 7.41 armor_penetration 0 str 121 agi 763 int 433 spi 145 spellpower 1486 spell_crit 17.53 spell_hit 15.1 max_mana 10611 mp5 0 mh_imbue flametongue oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
If that's the full config, then you don't have any buffs checked, which would cause your simulated DPS to be pretty low, so you should definitely do that.
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Originally Posted by Xoya
If that's the full config, then you don't have any buffs checked, which would cause your simulated DPS to be pretty low, so you should definitely do that.
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simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 3 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 2/2 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast misc_item -
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rotation_priority_count 3 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 LL |
rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS
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Ah! Ok, I wasn't understanding all the abbreviations. I'll give that a shot.
What is SR? LS is lightning shield? SS must be stormstrike but I figured I had it covered with ES_SS.
Ok, reran with your priorities and the results are nicely humbling for me.
rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS
Ok, reran with your priorities and the results are nicely humbling for me.
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Originally Posted by Panamah
Ah! Ok, I wasn't understanding all the abbreviations. I'll give that a shot.
rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS Ok, reran with your priorities and the results are nicely humbling for me. |
es_ss is for better use of the stormstrike debuff, here my rotation
so if there is an stormstrike charge left on the mob, you shock before stormstrike, to get one charge "more".
leaving ES completly out of the rotation is running into a tiny dps decrease for me in several 10k test, just sim it for your own fits
rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 LL
leaving ES completly out of the rotation is running into a tiny dps decrease for me in several 10k test, just sim it for your own fits
Thanks for the help getting the rotation right in the sim.
I'm surprised to find I'm still getting that my two FT/FT daggers sim better than slow/slow WF/FT by about 90 dps.
1.6/1.5 FTW/FTW/FTG = 5135 (flametongue weapon, flametongue glyph)
2.6/1.5 FTW/FTW/FTG = 5027
2.6/1.5 WFW/FTW/WFG = 5042
I'm surprised to find I'm still getting that my two FT/FT daggers sim better than slow/slow WF/FT by about 90 dps.
1.6/1.5 FTW/FTW/FTG = 5135 (flametongue weapon, flametongue glyph)
2.6/1.5 FTW/FTW/FTG = 5027
2.6/1.5 WFW/FTW/WFG = 5042
I wouldn't really worry about it too much. Flametongue's coefficient is going to scale with weapon speed in 3.1 and right now it's bugged on the PTR and doesn't get any spellpower from MQ. So fast weapons are going to be horrible with Flametongue in 3.1 and if the bug with MQ doesn't get fixed you won't be using FT on either of your weapon's anyway. No matter what their speed.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I wouldn't really worry about it too much. Flametongue's coefficient is going to scale with weapon speed in 3.1 and right now it's bugged on the PTR and doesn't get any spellpower from MQ. So fast weapons are going to be horrible with Flametongue in 3.1 and if the bug with MQ doesn't get fixed you won't be using FT on either of your weapon's anyway. No matter what their speed.
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I'm seeing some pretty odd results when trying to sim my stats using the Greater Speed enchant to cloak, and without it. Oddly I'm consitently finding a measly 12-14 dps decrease when I sim with the cloak enchant rather than with no enchant at all. I've ran multiple sims for both scenarios, and increased the simulation time from 5000h-10000h-15000h. The results never vary by more than 2 DPS regardless of how many times I run it or how long I sim for, and the only difference between the two configs is an additional 1.46% to haste. Could anyone clue me in is to why my dps might decrease by increasing my haste rating from 2.96% to 4.42%, leaving all other stats the same?
The config I'm using is:
The config I'm using is:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 50 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 0 ep_expertise 0 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 30 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 50 ep_mp5 10 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 34.14 oh_crit 34.14 mh_hit 11.25 oh_hit 11.25 mh_expertise_rating 216 oh_expertise_rating 216 ap 3814 haste 4.42 armor_penetration 4.41 str 131 agi 923 int 493 spi 154 spellpower 1144 spell_crit 25.3 spell_hit 14.06 max_mana 11511 mp5 95 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_hex set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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It is called the Windfury Chasm
If you continue adding haste you will see your DPS increase. Using your config file as base:
2.96% haste - 6051
4.42% haste - 6036
4.42% haste - 6077
4.88% haste - 6088
If you want the background for it:
http://elitistjerks.com/990992-post8.html
If you continue adding haste you will see your DPS increase. Using your config file as base:
2.96% haste - 6051
4.42% haste - 6036
4.42% haste - 6077
4.88% haste - 6088
If you want the background for it:
http://elitistjerks.com/990992-post8.html
Last edited by OnosKT : 03/04/09 at 1:13 PM.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
It is called the Windfury Chasm
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Just for the sake of clarity, Windfury Chasm is a phenomenon only observed in the perfect world of the sim. In the game there is too much variability from latency and from server mechanics to cause such a precise drop off. Easiest thing when you get a result like that is to put a negative number into the EP for haste and then use the EP values from that sim run to evaluate the gear/enchant.
Please help analyze my guildie
Hi,
I have an enhancement in my guild. his gear is decent mostly 25-man naxx gear. For some reason his dps is consistently low (around 1600 dps or below). can someone take a look at our wws and tell me what he can do to improve his dps. Can a really bad connection hammer his dps that badly? I think he told us that his internet connection is terrible, is there a macro he can use to alleviate his lag issue? his id is lahja on kilrogg (us). here are a few links to our wws
Patchwerk: Patchwerk
Razuvious: Instructor Razuvious (his best dps 2800)
appreciate your help.
I have an enhancement in my guild. his gear is decent mostly 25-man naxx gear. For some reason his dps is consistently low (around 1600 dps or below). can someone take a look at our wws and tell me what he can do to improve his dps. Can a really bad connection hammer his dps that badly? I think he told us that his internet connection is terrible, is there a macro he can use to alleviate his lag issue? his id is lahja on kilrogg (us). here are a few links to our wws
Patchwerk: Patchwerk
Razuvious: Instructor Razuvious (his best dps 2800)
appreciate your help.
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Originally Posted by trunghung
Hi,
I have an enhancement in my guild. his gear is decent mostly 25-man naxx gear. For some reason his dps is consistently low (around 1600 dps or below). can someone take a look at our wws and tell me what he can do to improve his dps. Can a really bad connection hammer his dps that badly? I think he told us that his internet connection is terrible, is there a macro he can use to alleviate his lag issue? his id is lahja on kilrogg (us). here are a few links to our wws Patchwerk: Patchwerk Razuvious: Instructor Razuvious (his best dps 2800) appreciate your help. |
1) Not dropping any totems other than Mana Spring - no SoE, no WF
2) Only doing DPS for half the fight. He used about 1 minutes worth of abilities in your almost 3 minute parse.
3) Has no imbue on his offhand or he's trying to use a 2H like an idiot
4) He isn't spell hit capped
Conclusion: He's pulling your chain, doesn't appear to have any idea what he's doing and you should probably remove him from your guild or at least not let him raid.
(Also your question had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread)
Last edited by Malan : 03/04/09 at 5:25 PM.
He is using WF/WF and no magma / searing totem.
Hes too far from the expertise cap and hes lacking an enchant and the belt socket also. Tell him to replace his ap gems with expertise ones and start using Flametongue on his offhand.
Honestly though i doubt that will make up for the 2500 DPS hes lacking.
Hes too far from the expertise cap and hes lacking an enchant and the belt socket also. Tell him to replace his ap gems with expertise ones and start using Flametongue on his offhand.
Honestly though i doubt that will make up for the 2500 DPS hes lacking.
I'll bet you 5 bucks that he is not using any imbue on his offhand.
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You can see MH and OH procs in the parse
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Also what sort of stupid spec is he using? 8/60/3? What the hell is that?
His gear looks ok, though he's not expertise capped. He has a pretty weird spec of 8/60/3 as well.
The World of Warcraft Armory
Not going at least 15 pts into elemental is a bad idea.
The World of Warcraft Armory
Not going at least 15 pts into elemental is a bad idea.
He only used Stormstrike 8 times and Earthshock 7 times during a 3 min fight? No Lava Lash at all. No magma totem. It looks like he must be watching TV or something because he sure isn't doing much of anything else. At best, he's clueless in how to play. At worst, he's going afk. You might want to have him read this: Shaman: Enhancement and he should get ShockAndAwe addon and TotemTimers is another good one, but that'll only help if he's clueless.
He's not AFK, he's EBAY.
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So i'm somewhat new to enhancement, but I really want to be able to get the most dps i can out of my gear. I've studied the enhancement think tank article but because of how complex stats work with enhancement there seems to be no static EP values.
So for this sim will i need a particular program to run it, and do i download all of the listed files at Downloads - enhsim - Google Code ? Sorry if im not supposed to ask or if this is the wrong place, kinda new to this.
So for this sim will i need a particular program to run it, and do i download all of the listed files at Downloads - enhsim - Google Code ? Sorry if im not supposed to ask or if this is the wrong place, kinda new to this.
Last edited by Jayqubee : 03/04/09 at 7:16 PM.
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Originally Posted by Jayqubee
So i'm somewhat new to enhancement, but I really want to be able to get the most dps i can out of my gear. I've studied the enhancement think tank article but because of how complex stats work with enhancement there seems to be no static EP values.
So for this sim will i need a particular program to run it, and do i download all of the listed files at Downloads - enhsim - Google Code ? Sorry if im not supposed to ask or if this is the wrong place, kinda new to this. |
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Originally Posted by Protico
Take a look at the sim wikidot, it has a guide for getting things set up. LINK!
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Ok I couldn't sleep and nothing else was going on so I spent another hour in front of a L60 test dummy testing weapon enchant proc rates and I came to the same conclusion I did before. The sim is still doing it wrong, less wrong, but still wrong. This time I equiped my old OH with mongoose on it to seperate out the MH and OH weapon enchant procs.
I was a big dummy and forgot to start logging and reset recount, which for whatever reason failed to record the fight so I don't have as much detail as before but I do plan on redoing this test later this week on PTR to take advantage of the ISS mana regen to eliminate my OOM time so I'll be sure to grab both of those then. I did remember to clear both Proculas and Procodile before hand however and neither of the previous two omissions change the reason I think the sim is still doing it wrong. The sim is assuming a static 1.2ppm unaffected by haste, however I observed on this 1hr run 2.78ppm on berserking (MH) and 2.12ppm on mongoose (OH). This gave a 48% uptime on berserking and 42% on mongoose. The sim shows the expected uptimes to be 42% and 36% respectively, pretty much 6% lower on both accounts.
From what I've seen there's no hard evidence to support the 1.2ppm, no haste effect beyond somebody in some other thread said so. The other thread had zero testing done in game with varying degrees of haste from what I read. I've done one test with minimal haste showing ~1.1-1.2ppm rate there and numerous tests with varying degrees of haste all showing markedly increased proc rates. Assuming the static 1.2ppm rate devalues both haste and enchant contribution. If I'm wrong and just had 5 or 6 ridiculously lucky streaks in a row then by all means show me the money, err data. If I'm right and it is a 1ppm affected by haste then lets get the simulator updated. Lets face it, if close enough were good enough we'd be using spreadsheets and approximators like everybody else.
And on another note for the mana simulation part, JoW contribution is horribly low as well, the 3.0.8 version returns considerably more than 9 MRPS. Seems to be more on the line of 40-70 MPRS or 200-350 MP5 on static fights.
For example on a Raz fight I had 183 JoW procs @ 87-88 mana each over 3:31 with I believe 809 eligible attacks (assuming FT can proc it) giving either a ~50ppm proc rate or, more likely, ~20% chance per hit.
I was a big dummy and forgot to start logging and reset recount, which for whatever reason failed to record the fight so I don't have as much detail as before but I do plan on redoing this test later this week on PTR to take advantage of the ISS mana regen to eliminate my OOM time so I'll be sure to grab both of those then. I did remember to clear both Proculas and Procodile before hand however and neither of the previous two omissions change the reason I think the sim is still doing it wrong. The sim is assuming a static 1.2ppm unaffected by haste, however I observed on this 1hr run 2.78ppm on berserking (MH) and 2.12ppm on mongoose (OH). This gave a 48% uptime on berserking and 42% on mongoose. The sim shows the expected uptimes to be 42% and 36% respectively, pretty much 6% lower on both accounts.
From what I've seen there's no hard evidence to support the 1.2ppm, no haste effect beyond somebody in some other thread said so. The other thread had zero testing done in game with varying degrees of haste from what I read. I've done one test with minimal haste showing ~1.1-1.2ppm rate there and numerous tests with varying degrees of haste all showing markedly increased proc rates. Assuming the static 1.2ppm rate devalues both haste and enchant contribution. If I'm wrong and just had 5 or 6 ridiculously lucky streaks in a row then by all means show me the money, err data. If I'm right and it is a 1ppm affected by haste then lets get the simulator updated. Lets face it, if close enough were good enough we'd be using spreadsheets and approximators like everybody else.
And on another note for the mana simulation part, JoW contribution is horribly low as well, the 3.0.8 version returns considerably more than 9 MRPS. Seems to be more on the line of 40-70 MPRS or 200-350 MP5 on static fights.
For example on a Raz fight I had 183 JoW procs @ 87-88 mana each over 3:31 with I believe 809 eligible attacks (assuming FT can proc it) giving either a ~50ppm proc rate or, more likely, ~20% chance per hit.
Last edited by Aldriana : 03/05/09 at 1:25 PM.
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Originally Posted by Dragon-CR
If I'm wrong and just had 5 or 6 ridiculously lucky streaks in a row then by all means show me the money, err data. If I'm right and it is a 1ppm affected by haste then lets get the simulator updated. Lets face it, if close enough were good enough we'd be using spreadsheets and approximators like everybody else.
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May I ask what you honestly think showing raw logs or WWS reports will show different than recount and mod reports? Assuming recount is accurate and the proc monitor mods are working as advertised then that IS data, just a summary report that says the same thing that a 20MB log file would.
There's none of what you're asking for to support 1.2ppm, so why is that taken as gospel?
That said expect a log parse later this week, but I'd still like to know why the screenshots don't count in this situation when they seem to in others. If photoshopping is the worry well logs can be manipulated just the same, that's why I've been asking for somebody else to give it a try.
There's none of what you're asking for to support 1.2ppm, so why is that taken as gospel?
That said expect a log parse later this week, but I'd still like to know why the screenshots don't count in this situation when they seem to in others. If photoshopping is the worry well logs can be manipulated just the same, that's why I've been asking for somebody else to give it a try.
For one thing someone walks in here and says "lul my mod says 4.8 ppm" we have no idea how long he tested and how many procs were recorded to make it statistically relevant. There's a lot of difference between a 5min test, an hour test, and a 5 hour test.
Dragon, I think you are right. It's what I posted back when I was checking things for the Weapon Enchant thread. I think 1ppm affected by haste is how the mechanic works, but I don't have any proof of that. I have an opinion but everyone has one of those.
You are spouting that your opinion is the right one and we better get off our asses and fix the Sim because it's inaccurate because it doesn't work how you think it actually does. For that to happen we need a bit more then an opinion, we need verifiable fact. That's where the combatlogs and time spent testing and conditions and all that start to come into play.
Everybody got opinions, but if the facts are on your side you should be able to prove that your opinion is the right one easily enough and then we will be more then happy to support your request to modify the Sim (notice the support aspect, in the end the Sim is Tukez's so he is the one you need to convince).
You are spouting that your opinion is the right one and we better get off our asses and fix the Sim because it's inaccurate because it doesn't work how you think it actually does. For that to happen we need a bit more then an opinion, we need verifiable fact. That's where the combatlogs and time spent testing and conditions and all that start to come into play.
Everybody got opinions, but if the facts are on your side you should be able to prove that your opinion is the right one easily enough and then we will be more then happy to support your request to modify the Sim (notice the support aspect, in the end the Sim is Tukez's so he is the one you need to convince).
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I stated in all my posts how long I tested for and I didn't include any results for any tests less than 1 hour. Allow me to do a quick review:
So 5.5 hours total testing, and we're going to assume the PPM mechanic is same for mongoose and berserking, since the data seems to indicate they are.
And yeah after reviewing what I posted before, all the data is there for over 6 hours of testing (I only included the best data above, there was another hour or two of similar I listed while polishing my testing technique). My other issue is from what I've seen the current 1.2ppm/no haste mechanic is only opinion, I haven't seen any data posted for it anywhere, the post linked a few pages back has no real data in it and at least one person asking for any data who's request ultimately went unanswered.
And I still think we need somebody else "checking my work" but so far my testing heavily favors the 1ppm+haste model.
(*) By full attack rotation I mean SS, ES, LL, and LB when @ 5x MW, ES and LB to proc ED to keep melee crit as high as possible to try to improve flurry uptime as much as possible, although it didn't seem to have much impact on total flurry uptime.
- 1hr, naked, no totems, no imbues, 41% flurry uptime, ~12.3% effective haste, only auto attack.
MH Berserking @ 1.02ppm, OH Mongoose @ 1.36ppm.
- 1hr, same as above except wrong tracking mod installed, only tracked Mongoose @ 1.11ppm - bad test but consistent results
- 1.5hr, full gear, WF and SoE totems, no imbues, 79% flurry uptime, ~63% effective haste, only auto attack.
Dual Berserking @ 3.36ppm combined.
- 1Hr, full gear, WF, SoE, Mana Spring totems, MH WF, OH FT, ~80% flurry uptime, ~63% effective haste, full attack rotation(*), mana limited.
Dual Berserking @ 4.26ppm combined
- 1Hr, full gear, WF, SoE, mana Spring totems, MH WF, OH FT, ~80% flurry uptime, ~63% effective haste, full attack rotation(*), mana limited.
MH Berserking @ 2.78ppm, OH Mongoose @ 2.12ppm
So 5.5 hours total testing, and we're going to assume the PPM mechanic is same for mongoose and berserking, since the data seems to indicate they are.
- 3 good data points for minimal haste: (1.02 + 1.36 + 1.11) / 3 = 1.16ppm average / 12.3% haste = 1.03ppm
- 2 good data points for gear and flurry haste only (2x berserking): 3.36ppm / 2 = 1.68ppm average / 63% haste = 1.03ppm
- 4 good data points for gear, flurry, totem, imbues, full attack: (4.26 + 2.78 + 2.12) / 4 = 2.29ppm
And yeah after reviewing what I posted before, all the data is there for over 6 hours of testing (I only included the best data above, there was another hour or two of similar I listed while polishing my testing technique). My other issue is from what I've seen the current 1.2ppm/no haste mechanic is only opinion, I haven't seen any data posted for it anywhere, the post linked a few pages back has no real data in it and at least one person asking for any data who's request ultimately went unanswered.
And I still think we need somebody else "checking my work" but so far my testing heavily favors the 1ppm+haste model.
(*) By full attack rotation I mean SS, ES, LL, and LB when @ 5x MW, ES and LB to proc ED to keep melee crit as high as possible to try to improve flurry uptime as much as possible, although it didn't seem to have much impact on total flurry uptime.
Last edited by Dragon-CR : 03/05/09 at 6:38 PM.
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It does look like there may be something wrong with the current model, but it is really hard to say from your data. You have a ton of variables changing, your base case is difficult to work with, and there probably isn't enough data.
Without knowing how many hits & procs you had, we can't calculate the statistical certainty levels in any statements about these results. The fact that you had a 30% higher OH ppm on your autoattack test suggests that an hour isn't even close to long enough to get statistically significant results, but without the actual data I can't possibly say for certain.
What would be really nice to see, and would help immensely in deriving the actual mechanic as opposed to just showing that the current mechanic is wrong, is a base case test with no haste, no flurry, no imbue, only MH weapon equipped, and a screenshot or log indicating (a) the total number of hits and (b) the total number of procs.
You can then increase haste using WF totem and gear and record the same data.
At that point, there will be enough data to make an indisputable statistical statement about the results.
After that we can worry about how all our abilities affect things, first we need to prove or disprove the fundamental mechanic.
Without knowing how many hits & procs you had, we can't calculate the statistical certainty levels in any statements about these results. The fact that you had a 30% higher OH ppm on your autoattack test suggests that an hour isn't even close to long enough to get statistically significant results, but without the actual data I can't possibly say for certain.
What would be really nice to see, and would help immensely in deriving the actual mechanic as opposed to just showing that the current mechanic is wrong, is a base case test with no haste, no flurry, no imbue, only MH weapon equipped, and a screenshot or log indicating (a) the total number of hits and (b) the total number of procs.
You can then increase haste using WF totem and gear and record the same data.
At that point, there will be enough data to make an indisputable statistical statement about the results.
After that we can worry about how all our abilities affect things, first we need to prove or disprove the fundamental mechanic.
Last edited by HappyDude : 03/06/09 at 6:44 AM.
To give some idea of how long you need to test for to get meaningful results (and to help show why people tend to be so dismissive when someone shows up with small sets of test data):
Let's assume a 2.5 speed weapon. If the real PPM is 1.0, each swing has a 4.2% chance to proc. If the real PPM is 1.2, each swing has a 5% chance to proc.
Given some observed data (X swings proc'd, Y swings didn't), we can use statistics to determine a range for the actual chance to proc (e.g. 4% to 6%) and our confidence in that range (e.g. we're 90% certain it's somewhere in that range).
The formulas I'm using are from Checking if a coin is fair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Let's say we want to find the PPM value within plus or minus 0.1 PPM, with a certainty of 99%. 0.1PPM corresponds to about a 0.4% change in the chance to proc per swing on our 2.5 speed weapon.
The number of events needed to achieve this level of certainty is given by n = p(1-p) * Z^2/E^2. E is the 0.004 (0.4%) change in proc chance. The Z-value for 99% certainty is 2.576. p is the 'real' proc chance, which we'll take to be 0.04 (just to be nice; closer to 0.5 gives a higher stddev).
Thus, the number of swings you'd need is over 15000, which is about 10 hours of swinging that 2.5 speed weapon.
So, if you record 15000 swings with no talents or haste gear and you observe a PPM of 1.0, you can say with 99% certainty that the 'true' PPM value is in the range 0.9-1.1, which would indicate that the currently accepted value is wrong.
Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but that is the gist of it as I understand it.
It does somewhat suck that the burden of proof is on you when the EJ TTT articles never seem to source their data. This wouldn't be the first time that an accepted theory was really just based on insufficient anecdotal evidence.
Let's assume a 2.5 speed weapon. If the real PPM is 1.0, each swing has a 4.2% chance to proc. If the real PPM is 1.2, each swing has a 5% chance to proc.
Given some observed data (X swings proc'd, Y swings didn't), we can use statistics to determine a range for the actual chance to proc (e.g. 4% to 6%) and our confidence in that range (e.g. we're 90% certain it's somewhere in that range).
The formulas I'm using are from Checking if a coin is fair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Let's say we want to find the PPM value within plus or minus 0.1 PPM, with a certainty of 99%. 0.1PPM corresponds to about a 0.4% change in the chance to proc per swing on our 2.5 speed weapon.
The number of events needed to achieve this level of certainty is given by n = p(1-p) * Z^2/E^2. E is the 0.004 (0.4%) change in proc chance. The Z-value for 99% certainty is 2.576. p is the 'real' proc chance, which we'll take to be 0.04 (just to be nice; closer to 0.5 gives a higher stddev).
Thus, the number of swings you'd need is over 15000, which is about 10 hours of swinging that 2.5 speed weapon.
So, if you record 15000 swings with no talents or haste gear and you observe a PPM of 1.0, you can say with 99% certainty that the 'true' PPM value is in the range 0.9-1.1, which would indicate that the currently accepted value is wrong.
Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but that is the gist of it as I understand it.
It does somewhat suck that the burden of proof is on you when the EJ TTT articles never seem to source their data. This wouldn't be the first time that an accepted theory was really just based on insufficient anecdotal evidence.
I was thinking should I make WF cd a normal distributed random number? Mean 3.0s with standard deviation 0.Xs?
Could people help me with Spirit Wolf mechanics? Just unload all the info regarding them here, obvious ones too. I am not very familiar how pets work. I also need to know the buffs, which could affect wolfs. Thanks for the help.
Could people help me with Spirit Wolf mechanics? Just unload all the info regarding them here, obvious ones too. I am not very familiar how pets work. I also need to know the buffs, which could affect wolfs. Thanks for the help.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I was thinking should I make WF cd a normal distributed random number? Mean 3.0s with standard deviation 0.Xs?
Could people help me with Spirit Wolf mechanics? Just unload all the info regarding them here, obvious ones too. I am not very familiar how pets work. I also need to know the buffs, which could affect wolfs. Thanks for the help. |
| /run if not oldHasPetUI then oldHasPetUI = HasPetUI; HasPetUI = function() return true, false; end end PetTab_Update() ToggleCharacter("PetPaperDollFrame") |
Mousing over their character sheet using the pet window, they clearly gain the benefits of:
WF totem
SoE totem
Heroism
It seems likely that they are affected by any and all buffs that other (e.g. warlock) pets are affected by - I've heard of people getting warriors to battleshout after they pop them.
It appears that they gain the benefit of any AP buff you gain even after you've popped them (after a slight delay). For example, my wolves started at 1777 AP, then after dropping untalented SoE they immediately went to 2087 AP (i.e. they gained the SoE buff), then after a short delay they went up to 2183 (30% of my benefit from the SoE buff).
The hard part will likely be getting accurate base crit and miss rates for them.
I was also thinking Tukez that we will possibly need support for more than one set bonus. It is quite likely that people will soon be running round with naxx_melee_2 and ulduar_melee_2 simultaneously. Would this be a case of coding tier7_8_melee_2_2 and tier7_8_nuker_2_2 or some such variable name? It's possibly the simplest way of tackling it. Or would you do two variables set bonus 1, set bonus 2 and just have each take same values as valid inputs?
I'm looking at how to get the Rawr.Enhance model to deal with set bonuses, so guidance would be appreciated. Having two separate lines of set bonus would possibly be easier for end users, and definitely easier for Rawr.Enhance coding if that makes a difference
Whilst I'm posting :
Support for glyph4 can be dropped, as could some of the really old items. Also any chance the default config could be more or less the BiS config file it seems to be a Enh talent, Ele rotation hybrid at present. Thus causing new users issues with setting rotation priorities correctly.
Any progress on trinkets, relic etc taking itemid's rather than text string identifiers?
I'm looking at how to get the Rawr.Enhance model to deal with set bonuses, so guidance would be appreciated. Having two separate lines of set bonus would possibly be easier for end users, and definitely easier for Rawr.Enhance coding if that makes a difference
Whilst I'm posting :
Support for glyph4 can be dropped, as could some of the really old items. Also any chance the default config could be more or less the BiS config file it seems to be a Enh talent, Ele rotation hybrid at present. Thus causing new users issues with setting rotation priorities correctly.
Any progress on trinkets, relic etc taking itemid's rather than text string identifiers?
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Originally Posted by HappyDude
The macro to bring up the pet window is:
They gain 30% of your AP. Mousing over their character sheet using the pet window, they clearly gain the benefits of: |
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Originally Posted by Levva
I was also thinking Tukez that we will possibly need support for more than one set bonus. It is quite likely that people will soon be running round with naxx_melee_2 and ulduar_melee_2 simultaneously. Would this be a case of coding tier7_8_melee_2_2 and tier7_8_nuker_2_2 or some such variable name? It's possibly the simplest way of tackling it. Or would you do First set bonus, Second set bonus and just have both take same values?
I'm looking at how to get the Rawr.Enhance model to deal with set bonuses, so guidance would be appreciated. Having two separate lines of set bonus would possibly be easier for end users, and definitely easier for Rawr.Enhance coding if that makes a difference Whilst I'm posting : Support for glyph4 can be dropped, as could some of the really old items. Also any chance the default config could be more or less the BiS config file it seems to be a Enh talent, Ele rotation hybrid at present. Thus causing new users issues with setting rotation priorities correctly. Any progress on trinkets, relic etc taking itemid's rather than text string identifiers? |
Which ids enchants use? It's not too clear when I was trying to check eg. Mongoose's id. Only problem with the id thing, is the effort to find the ids. It's easy to code the support. I'll try to do it for the next version.
Wolves also reportedly gain ~30-35% of player Hit Rating Tukez.
From ShockAndAwe Export.lua
if enchantID == "2673" then
enchantText ="mongoose"
elseif enchantID == "3225" then
enchantText ="executioner"
elseif enchantID == "1900" then
enchantText ="crusader"
elseif enchantID == "3273" then
enchantText ="deathfrost"
elseif enchantID == "3789" then
enchantText ="berserking"
if enchantID == "2673" then
enchantText ="mongoose"
elseif enchantID == "3225" then
enchantText ="executioner"
elseif enchantID == "1900" then
enchantText ="crusader"
elseif enchantID == "3273" then
enchantText ="deathfrost"
elseif enchantID == "3789" then
enchantText ="berserking"
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Originally Posted by tukez
I was thinking should I make WF cd a normal distributed random number? Mean 3.0s with standard deviation 0.Xs?
Could people help me with Spirit Wolf mechanics? Just unload all the info regarding them here, obvious ones too. I am not very familiar how pets work. I also need to know the buffs, which could affect wolfs. Thanks for the help. |
Probably the best way to model the Windfury cooldown (as I understand it to work) would be to just set it to 3 +/- 0.3 seconds. I'm 99% sure there is a latency component to the spread factor but that it would be capped at some value that would be completely server based. If you wanted to be as accurate as possible 3 +/- (0.2 + Latency)*
* = capped at 0.5 seconds
That would fit with all the data I've seen although the issue is that the spread value works as a bellcurve model where the extremes are less likely to be encountered which is why the simplest is probably the best way to go (3 +/- 0.3 seconds).
As for the Feral Spirits;
Base Stats
785 AP
331 Str
113 Agi
402 Stam
65 Int
109 Spirit
9778 Armor
Their attacks each do 331-456 damage at 1.5speed (262.2 dps)
They gain 30% of the shaman's AP and Stamina and 35% of his Armor.
There is a rumor that they may utilize the shaman's hit rating (but not expertise or crit rating) but that needs to be confirmed (I'll try to work on it later).
They receive all raid buffs if they are activated after the wolves are summoned. So when affected by Unleashed Rage they will gain 30% of their own AP in addition to whatever transfers from you.
In my normal gear my Wolves have 1759 AP. When the totem only affects me they have 1869. If they are buffed with SoE and I'm not they have 2115 AP. If we are both of us are buffed they have 2225. So it would seem they gain either 2AP per Strength or 1AP per Str and 1AP per Agi. Gonna get some Kibbler's bits and check on that part.
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Here are 3 short runs on the Boss Dummy. All are 2 summons so the sample size is a bit small to draw conclusions but the numbers are reasonable.
No gear
Wow Web Stats
Geared with 438 +hit
Wow Web Stats
Geared with 271 +hit (8.26% melee hit)
Wow Web Stats
For some reason on the last test they attacked from the front so they got parried a lot but even with just 271 +hit there wasn't a single missed attack. Their crit rate was the same 1-2% for each test and they got dodged/parried the same whether I was dodge capped or not. Opening the pet tab (macro is on the TTT) shows that they gain no benefit from haste. But from my really small sample it appears that having enough hit rating to melee cap (without dual wield penalty) removed all misses from their table.
So that would mean they get
30% of your AP/Stam
35% of your Armor
All your hit rating
None of your other stats/ratings.
Last edited by Rouncer : 03/06/09 at 12:43 PM.
Spirit wolwes hit scaling: My theory is that hit scaling was 30% but hotfixed to 100%.
Last week 10man satharion wipes.
http://wowwebstats.com/mhmvfngaoqof1...023d1&s=bosses
Wow Web Stats
This week 25man satharion.
Wow Web Stats
One miss is propably when puppies attacked satharion when immunity was up.
Last week 10man satharion wipes.
http://wowwebstats.com/mhmvfngaoqof1...023d1&s=bosses
Wow Web Stats
This week 25man satharion.
Wow Web Stats
One miss is propably when puppies attacked satharion when immunity was up.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Geared with 271 +hit (8.26% melee hit)
Wow Web Stats For some reason on the last test they attacked from the front so they got parried a lot but even with just 271 +hit there wasn't a single missed attack. |
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Originally Posted by HappyDude
To give some idea of how long you need to test for to get meaningful results (and to help show why people tend to be so dismissive when someone shows up with small sets of test data):
Let's assume a 2.5 speed weapon. If the real PPM is 1.0, each swing has a 4.2% chance to proc. If the real PPM is 1.2, each swing has a 5% chance to proc. Given some observed data (X swings proc'd, Y swings didn't), we can use statistics to determine a range for the actual chance to proc (e.g. 4% to 6%) and our confidence in that range (e.g. we're 90% certain it's somewhere in that range). The formulas I'm using are from Checking if a coin is fair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Let's say we want to find the PPM value within plus or minus 0.1 PPM, with a certainty of 99%. 0.1PPM corresponds to about a 0.4% change in the chance to proc per swing on our 2.5 speed weapon. The number of events needed to achieve this level of certainty is given by n = p(1-p) * Z^2/E^2. E is the 0.004 (0.4%) change in proc chance. The Z-value for 99% certainty is 2.576. p is the 'real' proc chance, which we'll take to be 0.04 (just to be nice; closer to 0.5 gives a higher stddev). Thus, the number of swings you'd need is over 15000, which is about 10 hours of swinging that 2.5 speed weapon. So, if you record 15000 swings with no talents or haste gear and you observe a PPM of 1.0, you can say with 99% certainty that the 'true' PPM value is in the range 0.9-1.1, which would indicate that the currently accepted value is wrong. Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but that is the gist of it as I understand it. It does somewhat suck that the burden of proof is on you when the EJ TTT articles never seem to source their data. This wouldn't be the first time that an accepted theory was really just based on insufficient anecdotal evidence. |
Weapon speed and the change in % proc rate has minimal impact on testing duration. A 1.4 speed weapon only has a 2.33% proc chance per hit, would require 11.3k hits, which works out to effectively 4 hours 24 minutes of attacks for 90% confidence.
If we accept berserking and mongoose have identical proc mechanics, and both have identical proc mechanics regardless of what weapon they're on and which hand they're in, and that weapon speed in the ranges we have access to do not significantly alter the amount of time required to do the test (as shown above), and since we can get dual procs and can dual wield, then we can effectively test two weapons/enchants at once, bringing the actual time required to test down to lets say 2 hours 15 minutes to ensure >90% confidence.
I have data for 3 effective hours with ~12% haste, or 4800 effective 2.5sec hits. Rearranging your equation and solving for Z this gives a Z value of 1.4446, which considering 1.6449 is 90% and 1.0 is 68.3%, then the 1.4446 is going to be low to mid 80% confidence.
So my minimal haste test was 1.16ppm @12% effective haste for 3 effective hours which is well within 80% confidence for 1.02-1.22ppm assuming 1ppm/hasted. Unfortunately it's also 80% confidence for 1.1-1.3ppm for 1.2ppm/no haste.
However my next test is 1.68ppm @63% effective haste for 3 effective hours which is well within 80% confidence for 1.53-1.73ppm assuming 1ppm/hasted, and way outside the 1.1-1.3ppm for 1.2ppm/no haste.
If 80% confidence isn't good enough to declare 1ppm to be the base then fine, statistically speaking I agree since my results do put both 1.0ppm and 1.2ppm within range. I can do naked testing on a dummy later this weekend on the PTR to narrow that down more.
Can we at least agree that the 1.68ppm for 3 hours is way too far outside the 1.2ppm 80% confidence range and declare that the proc chance per hit is static based on weapon speed, and therefore affected by haste mechanics, actual base proc rate still to be determined.
Last edited by Dragon-CR : 03/06/09 at 6:03 PM.
| and since we can get dual procs and can dual wield, then we can effectively test two weapons/enchants at once, bringing the actual time required to test down to lets say 2 hours 15 minutes to ensure >90% confidence. |
And personally I would say that 80% confidence intervals are too low, even 90 could be too low (99% is too high though). Generally 95% is what is used in most studies.
Statistically speaking, how is doing two 1hr runs with one weapon any different than doing one 1hr run with two weapons that use the same mechanics? The point of statistics is combining multiple variables we know are related and looking at them overall to try to determine how they're related.
One weapon for 2 hours yielding 65 procs hour one and 55 procs hour two "combines" for an average of 1ppm.
Two weapons for 1 hour yielding 120 total procs for 2ppm / 2 = 1ppm per weapon. Do we know exactly which weapon proced which? No, and we don't care so long as the mechanics behind how they proc are consistent.
We're not studying an individual weapon or combination we're studying the underlying mechanic. Dual wielding achieves the same results in half the time since you can do two tests in parallel.
I run EnhSim with 4 threads to finish in 1/4 of the time and statistically the results are the same if I had done one thread for 4x the time. If Draenei had prehensile tails I'd be doing 3 weapons at once.
One weapon for 2 hours yielding 65 procs hour one and 55 procs hour two "combines" for an average of 1ppm.
Two weapons for 1 hour yielding 120 total procs for 2ppm / 2 = 1ppm per weapon. Do we know exactly which weapon proced which? No, and we don't care so long as the mechanics behind how they proc are consistent.
We're not studying an individual weapon or combination we're studying the underlying mechanic. Dual wielding achieves the same results in half the time since you can do two tests in parallel.
I run EnhSim with 4 threads to finish in 1/4 of the time and statistically the results are the same if I had done one thread for 4x the time. If Draenei had prehensile tails I'd be doing 3 weapons at once.
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I noted in http://elitistjerks.com/1093112-post75.html that glancing rate is now assumed to be 24%. I know its configurable in the sim but perhaps time to change the default in config.txt?
I also noted the following 3.1 changes :
* Armor Penetration Rating: All classes now receive 25% more benefit from Armor Penetration Rating.
* Haste Rating: Shamans, Paladins, Druids, and Death Knights now receive 30% more melee haste from Haste Rating.
We also now get +25% expertise from expertise rating.
So whereas the old cap was 214 expertise rating with 3/3 UR the new cap is 17 expertise * (32.78998947/4)/1.25 = 112 expertise rating. So we gain 102 expertise from these changes. That's a huge amount.
I also noted the following 3.1 changes :
* Armor Penetration Rating: All classes now receive 25% more benefit from Armor Penetration Rating.
* Haste Rating: Shamans, Paladins, Druids, and Death Knights now receive 30% more melee haste from Haste Rating.
We also now get +25% expertise from expertise rating.
So whereas the old cap was 214 expertise rating with 3/3 UR the new cap is 17 expertise * (32.78998947/4)/1.25 = 112 expertise rating. So we gain 102 expertise from these changes. That's a huge amount.
Last edited by Levva : 03/07/09 at 8:56 AM.
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Careful with that expertise change
http://elitistjerks.com/1137280-post376.html
Looks like someone may have coded the change wrong and affected expertise when they actually wanted to just change haste rating.
Edit:
Tukez can you add Frostbrand as an option in the Sim. Just use current values (442 base damage per proc with 10% spellpower coefficient) with an 8 PPM mechanic that is affected by haste (proc chance determined by base weapon speed).
That PPM value may change as more testing comes in but 8 seems like a decent compromise position for now.
Edit2:
Make it 8.5 ppm or roughly an average of a proc every 7 seconds (I wonder if that's how they code PPM, not by procs but by average time between procs since that would work out to 8.57 ppm which fits exactly with the current long running test).
http://elitistjerks.com/1137280-post376.html
Looks like someone may have coded the change wrong and affected expertise when they actually wanted to just change haste rating.
Edit:
Tukez can you add Frostbrand as an option in the Sim. Just use current values (442 base damage per proc with 10% spellpower coefficient) with an 8 PPM mechanic that is affected by haste (proc chance determined by base weapon speed).
That PPM value may change as more testing comes in but 8 seems like a decent compromise position for now.
Edit2:
Make it 8.5 ppm or roughly an average of a proc every 7 seconds (I wonder if that's how they code PPM, not by procs but by average time between procs since that would work out to 8.57 ppm which fits exactly with the current long running test).
Last edited by Rouncer : 03/07/09 at 1:59 PM.
Why am I getting past cap warnings for Expertise? If I'm reading this right the sim thinks I'm over by 15.79 expertise rating?
As far as I've been able to figure reading these forums, expertise rating caps at 214, but I'm only at 197. I'm using Snapper Extreme food for Hit, not a expertise food. What am i missing? this can get a bit complex as we get close to the caps is seems...
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Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 1.9262 expertise (15.79 expertise rating).
Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 1.9262 expertise (15.79 expertise rating).
Calculating EP values...
<snip>
EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline 2971.96
ap 1.00 0.37 2995.95 23.99
crit rating 2.00 0.75 3006.49 34.53
hit rating 2.99 1.12 3005.56 33.60
expertise rating 1.30 0.49 2987.88 15.92
haste rating 1.46 0.55 2990.04 18.08
armor penetration rating 1.24 0.46 2978.90 6.94
spellpower 0.97 0.36 2982.11 10.15
mh dps 5.82 2.18 2993.78 21.82
oh dps 2.80 1.05 2982.44 10.48
strength 1.10
agility 1.84
intelligence 1.42
spirit 0.01 0.00 2972.28 0.32
mana 0.00 0.00 2972.09 0.13
mp5 0.18 0.07 2973.28 1.32
elapsed simulation time: 140000.00h
elapsed real time: 350.45s
simulation speed: 1438138x
######### my config file.
simulation_time 10000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 6
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 40
max_lag 60
simulate_mana 1
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 64
ep_crit_rating 46
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4
ep_haste_rating 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating 15
ep_spellpower 28
ep_dps 10.0
ep_mana 200
ep_spirit 100
ep_mp5 20
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 7
rotation_priority1 SR
rotation_priority2 MW5_LB
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replenishment 1
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mana_spring_totem 1
blessing_of_wisdom 0
judgement_of_wisdom 0
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food snapper_extreme
misc_item -
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
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## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ##
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race tauren
mh_speed 2.50
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mh_crit 25.92
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int 503
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mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
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oh_weapon axe
trinket1 grim_toll
trinket2 mirror_of_truth
totem stonebreakers_totem
set_bonus - ## not currently available in the addon export
metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 stormstrike
glyph_major3 lava_lash
glyph_major4 - ## slot empty
glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
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## Talents ##
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ancestral_knowledge 2/5
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elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
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As far as I've been able to figure reading these forums, expertise rating caps at 214, but I'm only at 197. I'm using Snapper Extreme food for Hit, not a expertise food. What am i missing? this can get a bit complex as we get close to the caps is seems...
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Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 1.9262 expertise (15.79 expertise rating).
Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 1.9262 expertise (15.79 expertise rating).
Calculating EP values...
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EP value DPS total DPS difference
baseline 2971.96
ap 1.00 0.37 2995.95 23.99
crit rating 2.00 0.75 3006.49 34.53
hit rating 2.99 1.12 3005.56 33.60
expertise rating 1.30 0.49 2987.88 15.92
haste rating 1.46 0.55 2990.04 18.08
armor penetration rating 1.24 0.46 2978.90 6.94
spellpower 0.97 0.36 2982.11 10.15
mh dps 5.82 2.18 2993.78 21.82
oh dps 2.80 1.05 2982.44 10.48
strength 1.10
agility 1.84
intelligence 1.42
spirit 0.01 0.00 2972.28 0.32
mana 0.00 0.00 2972.09 0.13
mp5 0.18 0.07 2973.28 1.32
elapsed simulation time: 140000.00h
elapsed real time: 350.45s
simulation speed: 1438138x
######### my config file.
simulation_time 10000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 6
report_count 80
threads 2
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max_lag 60
simulate_mana 1
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rotation_priority6 LL
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shadow_resistance 0
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spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0
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judgement_of_wisdom 0
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food snapper_extreme
misc_item -
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
###############################
## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ##
###############################
race tauren
mh_speed 2.50
oh_speed 2.60
mh_dps 156.6
oh_dps 130.2
mh_crit 25.92
oh_crit 25.92
mh_hit 11.22
oh_hit 11.22
mh_expertise_rating 197.00
oh_expertise_rating 197.00
ap 3107
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armor_penetration 5.39
str 190
agi 721
int 503
spi 187
spellpower 991
spell_crit 19.56
spell_hit 14.03
max_mana 11661
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant mongoose
mh_weapon -
oh_enchant mongoose
oh_weapon axe
trinket1 grim_toll
trinket2 mirror_of_truth
totem stonebreakers_totem
set_bonus - ## not currently available in the addon export
metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 stormstrike
glyph_major3 lava_lash
glyph_major4 - ## slot empty
glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
#############
## Talents ##
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ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 5/5
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Tukez perhaps you should change the warnings from the sim, because we're having to answer this question twice a day it seems. If the person is over the cap because of their stats, then they should be told that their gear exceeds the cap. If the EP Step Size will put them over the cap during simulation then the message should be worded differently.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Careful with that expertise change
http://elitistjerks.com/1137280-post376.html Looks like someone may have coded the change wrong and affected expertise when they actually wanted to just change haste rating. Edit: Tukez can you add Frostbrand as an option in the Sim. Just use current values (442 base damage per proc with 10% spellpower coefficient) with an 8 PPM mechanic that is affected by haste (proc chance determined by base weapon speed). That PPM value may change as more testing comes in but 8 seems like a decent compromise position for now. Edit2: Make it 8.5 ppm or roughly an average of a proc every 7 seconds (I wonder if that's how they code PPM, not by procs but by average time between procs since that would work out to 8.57 ppm which fits exactly with the current long running test). |
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ep_expertise 4 mh_expertise_rating 197.00 |
If you want to see how much expertise is valued you can either decrease the ep_expertise from 4 to something like 2, or the better solution would be to make it a negative value (so -4). That should give you a better EP for expertise.
"Warning! Your expertise rating plus the added rating from the sim puts you over the cap by %f." Probably not a very good message but something like it. The question comes up far too much.
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Originally Posted by Raut
"Warning! Your expertise rating plus the added rating from the sim puts you over the cap by %f." Probably not a very good message but something like it. The question comes up far too much.
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EnhSim: Ep values
Has to be explained by the warning message directly. People rarely read up on situations even when pointed in the right direction. Perhaps both?
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Originally Posted by Levva
We also now get +25% expertise from expertise rating.
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Where exactly did you see this at?
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Originally Posted by Frostshockz
I looked over and over and couldn't find anything that says this.
Where exactly did you see this at? |
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The ERROR message should be our friend.
Thank you OnosKT!
I was at a loss as to why the sim would think 197 was over 214, but now after your extremely simple and effective explanation of what is actually going on, I get it! It was not at all obvious to me what those values where used for, or why or how I may want to change them. (Not sure yet how making it a negative value of 4 would make it even better?? 24-4?)
Thanks.
I think confusion point #1 in the case of expertise is, you are working with two different forms of the same value. Perhaps it would be best if you worked with only one. Either Expertise Rating (caps at 214) or Expertise Points (caps at 26). Just a thought...
Also, maybe an error message something more like this would help?
"Mh expertise + 4 (current EP range for expertise) goes past suggested cap of 26 expertise by 1.9262, (15.79 past 214 expertise rating). Please adjust your EP range setting to a smaller value for more precision as you reach the cap."
Anyway, thanks for this great tool.
I was at a loss as to why the sim would think 197 was over 214, but now after your extremely simple and effective explanation of what is actually going on, I get it! It was not at all obvious to me what those values where used for, or why or how I may want to change them. (Not sure yet how making it a negative value of 4 would make it even better?? 24-4?)
Thanks.
I think confusion point #1 in the case of expertise is, you are working with two different forms of the same value. Perhaps it would be best if you worked with only one. Either Expertise Rating (caps at 214) or Expertise Points (caps at 26). Just a thought...
Also, maybe an error message something more like this would help?
"Mh expertise + 4 (current EP range for expertise) goes past suggested cap of 26 expertise by 1.9262, (15.79 past 214 expertise rating). Please adjust your EP range setting to a smaller value for more precision as you reach the cap."
Anyway, thanks for this great tool.
Last edited by Darkclaw : 03/09/09 at 6:14 PM.
Wll, the reason whya negative value works is like this. In order to calculate your values, the sim runs a simulation with your base stats and finds the DPS. Then, for each of the stats, it adds the EP range value and calculates the DPS. Once that is done, it calculates
(DPS_increase_from_stat_x / increase_in_stat_x ) / ( DPS_increase_from_AP / increase_in_AP ) = EP_value_for_stat_x
If you give negative value, it will remove that value from your stats, simulate (and get less DPS) and then divide by a negative value (for your increase in stats x) and thus get the correct value. Instead of calculating - how much does increasing X increase my DPS, it calculates, how much does decreasing X decrease my DPS.
The reason why it's better to use larger negative numbers, when you get close to caps, then using small positive increases has to do with the precision of calculations.
(DPS_increase_from_stat_x / increase_in_stat_x ) / ( DPS_increase_from_AP / increase_in_AP ) = EP_value_for_stat_x
If you give negative value, it will remove that value from your stats, simulate (and get less DPS) and then divide by a negative value (for your increase in stats x) and thus get the correct value. Instead of calculating - how much does increasing X increase my DPS, it calculates, how much does decreasing X decrease my DPS.
The reason why it's better to use larger negative numbers, when you get close to caps, then using small positive increases has to do with the precision of calculations.
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Originally Posted by Darkclaw
Please adjust your EP range setting to a smaller value for more precision as you reach the cap."
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1) Ignore it and just accept that the stat will have a near zero value
2) Make the step size negative which will cause the sim to subtract the stat. the resulting EP value will be negative as well, simply make it positive again and all is right in the world.
i'll have to try and see what kind of numbers I get with -4 in place of 4.
I think maybe the sim should be telling me to make changes to my EP values for mana, spirit and Mp5?
they are 200, 100, and 20 for now. (defaults) but I'm bouncing very close to 0 and sometimes even negative values there with those settings. (based on minor gear changes as I get new gear)
the Ep values page linked above suggests we set them to 0? is that different from the checkbox for simulation of Mana?
I think maybe the sim should be telling me to make changes to my EP values for mana, spirit and Mp5?
they are 200, 100, and 20 for now. (defaults) but I'm bouncing very close to 0 and sometimes even negative values there with those settings. (based on minor gear changes as I get new gear)
the Ep values page linked above suggests we set them to 0? is that different from the checkbox for simulation of Mana?
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I think maybe the sim should be telling me to make changes to my EP values for mana, spirit and Mp5? they are 200, 100, and 20 for now. (defaults) but I'm bouncing very close to 0 and sometimes even negative values there with those settings. (based on minor gear changes as I get new gear) |
How about making it sim both negative and positive range for each given one and then report the larger ep value given from those two results?. As physics student I automatically presumed this was the case before reading this thread.
Oh and apparently there is a bug in PTR currently in expertise calculation. Source: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Expertise change? Oops?
So no change for expertise calculation outside UR talent change.
Oh and apparently there is a bug in PTR currently in expertise calculation. Source: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Expertise change? Oops?
So no change for expertise calculation outside UR talent change.
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Originally Posted by Farosarg
How about making it sim both negative and positive range for each given one and then report the larger ep value given from those two results?. As physics student I automatically presumed this was the case before reading this thread.
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Also, due to scaling, adding an subtracting stat values will result in different EP results, and I want to know if the result I was given was a result of addition or subtraction.
Alright, to start this post I'll say that I don't really play a shaman I'm just running the simulator to try to prove to one of my guildies is doing something wrong.
What I'm doing is getting EP values, I'm not really interested in the dps simulation as such.
I have a couple of questions about the results.
Haste shows an EP value of -0.35 which I find confusing, does this have anything to do with the internal CD on WF and haste resulting in less hits with an actual chance to proc it?
Agi shows as being >2EP but when I look at the armories of shamans the ones who have the choice between agi and AP pick the latter, why is that?
What I'm doing is getting EP values, I'm not really interested in the dps simulation as such.
I have a couple of questions about the results.
Haste shows an EP value of -0.35 which I find confusing, does this have anything to do with the internal CD on WF and haste resulting in less hits with an actual chance to proc it?
Agi shows as being >2EP but when I look at the armories of shamans the ones who have the choice between agi and AP pick the latter, why is that?
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Originally Posted by Lohegrin
Alright, to start this post I'll say that I don't really play a shaman I'm just running the simulator to try to prove to one of my guildies is doing something wrong.
What I'm doing is getting EP values, I'm not really interested in the dps simulation as such. I have a couple of questions about the results. Haste shows an EP value of -0.35 which I find confusing, does this have anything to do with the internal CD on WF and haste resulting in less hits with an actual chance to proc it? Agi shows as being >2EP but when I look at the armories of shamans the ones who have the choice between agi and AP pick the latter, why is that? |
Post a config and the armory profile of the shaman you are Simming and I'm sure someone will be able to help you.
Don't know what the problem was but it solved itself when I didn't use the GUI version.
Could it have anything to do missing packages or anything?
Doesn't really matter as I got it working in the end anyway
Could it have anything to do missing packages or anything?
Doesn't really matter as I got it working in the end anyway
i might be doing something very wrong! but all i get is a WinXP program error pop up evry time i press simulate in the gui sim! any1 care 2 /slap me and tell what im doing wrong? 
Well first of all /slap for your post, and my first guess would be, that you haven't selected the enhsim.exe in the lower right corner.
But without the detailed error (you can Ctrl-C a message box quite often, so you don't have to write it down manually) it's not easy to help you.
But without the detailed error (you can Ctrl-C a message box quite often, so you don't have to write it down manually) it's not easy to help you.
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when running it, it says hit is over cap - EP wil be skipped then starting the EP calculation wich results in a enhsim_combatlog.exe error i dont understand! :S gonna discontinue use of this thing since im obviosly to tired to comprehend the use of this b4 I had my morning coffey!
Last edited by isseymiyake : 03/11/09 at 4:12 AM.
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Originally Posted by isseymiyake
when running it, it says hit is over cap - EP wil be skipped then starting the EP calculation wich results in a enhsim_combatlog.exe error i dont understand! :S gonna discontinue use of this thing since im obviosly to tired to comprehend the use of this b4 I had my morning coffey!
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btw:
I have been reading and reading on some posts in order to figure out exactly where this program is, compared to the game patches... Does the latest version 1.5.9.1 run according to gamepatch 3.0.3, 3.0.8 or what patch is it running? According to my calculations (if I add 30% to haste- and 25% to armorpenetration-EP values, manually ofc) armorpenetration is gonna be decent and haste is gonna be pretty much the best stat there is (given you are capped on hit/exp). Can I just calculate it like this, adding to the EP values to adjust for the PTR changes, at the very least for a rough estimate?
Last edited by Nubittos : 03/11/09 at 10:04 AM.
The sim is running the live WoW version, so 3.0.8 as of right now.
My initial gut feeling was that simply multiplying 25% (or 30%) to the final EP value was the wrong way to go. If you want to simulate what kind of an increase the 30% extra haste would give, you would need to do it manually via EP calc run. Here's how I would design a test to get that:
1. Add 30% extra haste to your haste EP stepping. Since default is 30, you can make it 39. Run the EP value calc.
2. Calculate in the EP from step 1 for haste as ( difference / 30 )
3. Calculate (result in 3) / (DPS of AP)
I'll give an example of what I mean with my values:
1. ap 1.00 0.58 6083.38 29.22
haste rating 2.09 1.22 6101.89 47.73
2. Calculate ( 47.73 / 30 ) = 1.591
3. Calculate 1.591 / 0.58 = 2.74 - that is approx your EP for the 3.1 haste
Note: 2.74 / 2.09 ~ 1.3. I tried another test and the result was about 1.28 bigger. So it seems simply multiplying 1.3 to your EP (for haste) gives the good result.
My initial gut feeling was that simply multiplying 25% (or 30%) to the final EP value was the wrong way to go. If you want to simulate what kind of an increase the 30% extra haste would give, you would need to do it manually via EP calc run. Here's how I would design a test to get that:
1. Add 30% extra haste to your haste EP stepping. Since default is 30, you can make it 39. Run the EP value calc.
2. Calculate in the EP from step 1 for haste as ( difference / 30 )
3. Calculate (result in 3) / (DPS of AP)
I'll give an example of what I mean with my values:
1. ap 1.00 0.58 6083.38 29.22
haste rating 2.09 1.22 6101.89 47.73
2. Calculate ( 47.73 / 30 ) = 1.591
3. Calculate 1.591 / 0.58 = 2.74 - that is approx your EP for the 3.1 haste
Note: 2.74 / 2.09 ~ 1.3. I tried another test and the result was about 1.28 bigger. So it seems simply multiplying 1.3 to your EP (for haste) gives the good result.
2.74 EP for haste is just around the values I got on my calcs... haste is gonna be nice it seems
thanks for the help, much appreciated...
thanks for the help, much appreciated...
I adjusted and ran the sim today to try and account for the current 3.1 changes as well.
Added 30% to my current haste value (which is a little bit fiddly with totem of dueling), reduced flurry to 25% and came out with a haste EP of 1.6
Adding the 30% to that does indeed make it slightly better than AP and a new besst stat assuming Exp and Spell Hit capped.
Haste seems to be the most difficult to predict EP value, I guess due to its interaction with the WF internal cooldown, it seems to swing wildly up and down by about 0.5 EP value as my gear changes. Most of the other EP values have a more predictable upward or downward trend by comparison.
Added 30% to my current haste value (which is a little bit fiddly with totem of dueling), reduced flurry to 25% and came out with a haste EP of 1.6
Adding the 30% to that does indeed make it slightly better than AP and a new besst stat assuming Exp and Spell Hit capped.
Haste seems to be the most difficult to predict EP value, I guess due to its interaction with the WF internal cooldown, it seems to swing wildly up and down by about 0.5 EP value as my gear changes. Most of the other EP values have a more predictable upward or downward trend by comparison.
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Originally Posted by Luc
Haste seems to be the most difficult to predict EP value, I guess due to its interaction with the WF internal cooldown, it seems to swing wildly up and down by about 0.5 EP value as my gear changes. Most of the other EP values have a more predictable upward or downward trend by comparison.
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Something I find wierd is that even after reaching 14% spell hit, which should be the point where I should start caring about other stats, my EP value for hit rating keep being above everything else (like 3.0 vs. crit EP 2.0).
Unless I'm getting it all wrong, wouldn't that mean that my marginal product of stacking hit rating is higher than stacking anything else, and I should continue doing that even beyond reaching the 14% spell hit, at the cost of stacking all other stats?
Obviously the hit rating no longer affects my spell damage at that point, so any extra hit rating affects melee attacks only. Can it really be that getting extra hit at that point is still so much EP worth?
Unless I'm getting it all wrong, wouldn't that mean that my marginal product of stacking hit rating is higher than stacking anything else, and I should continue doing that even beyond reaching the 14% spell hit, at the cost of stacking all other stats?
Obviously the hit rating no longer affects my spell damage at that point, so any extra hit rating affects melee attacks only. Can it really be that getting extra hit at that point is still so much EP worth?
You might want to make sure that the 14% hit you're getting from gear is supplemented by a Shadow Priest's Misery or a Moonkin Druid's imp. Faerie Fire, both of which give a 3% chance to hit with spells, thus, giving you the full 17% you would need to be spell hit capped.
Hit is still a very valuable stat after you get to the spell hit cap. What normally should happen is that once you get to that cap the value for hit rating should drop to the point where it is roughly equal to crit rating and haste rating and agility. At that point Attack Power is your best stat to gem/enchant for since you get 2 AP per 1 Agi/Hit/Crit/Haste.
What I've been doing to simplify the gearing is to get myself to the spell hit cap and the expertise cap and then running the sim with that set of gear using a negative EP value for expertise. Then I stick all that into Lootrank (converting expertise's value to a positive) and start comparing the gear. Provided I stay above the spell hit cap the rankings should be correct. Then use Expertise and Hit gems to get to those caps and any additional gem slots left should just be filled with AP gems.
3.1 will change things since Haste could potentially end up with more value then AP but I don't think it's worth worrying about till the patch is released and the Sim gets updated.
For your specific question, the poster above me is probably right and you are missing a raid buff that is preventing you from hitting the spell hit cap, either that or you have basically minimal/no expertise which would greatly inflate the value of hit rating since actually hitting the boss matters a lot more then crit or haste.
What I've been doing to simplify the gearing is to get myself to the spell hit cap and the expertise cap and then running the sim with that set of gear using a negative EP value for expertise. Then I stick all that into Lootrank (converting expertise's value to a positive) and start comparing the gear. Provided I stay above the spell hit cap the rankings should be correct. Then use Expertise and Hit gems to get to those caps and any additional gem slots left should just be filled with AP gems.
3.1 will change things since Haste could potentially end up with more value then AP but I don't think it's worth worrying about till the patch is released and the Sim gets updated.
For your specific question, the poster above me is probably right and you are missing a raid buff that is preventing you from hitting the spell hit cap, either that or you have basically minimal/no expertise which would greatly inflate the value of hit rating since actually hitting the boss matters a lot more then crit or haste.
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Rounced if you want best set then you have value expertise and hit to 2. Before patch you need to be blacksmith to get all expertise easily but post patch it's really easy get exp/hit caps.
Last edited by Pitbuller : 03/15/09 at 1:12 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Rounced if you want best set then you have value expertice and hit to 2. Before patch you need to be blacksmith to get all expertice easily but post patch it's really easy get exp/hit caps.
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Originally Posted by Protico
The beauty of the sim's EP generator is that we don't have to arbitrarily assign values to stats. Setting the expertise step to a negative gives us a "real" value for expertise, why would we want to go with an arbitrary value?
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Last edited by Pitbuller : 03/15/09 at 1:12 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Cheapest way to get hit and expertice is gemming. If you can gem expertice or hit you lose only 2ap per rating. Becouse these two stats caps we can't really stack these stats. Negative ep step value is also an arbitrary value. My armory shows that you can get both caps with using these values at lootrank. This is not best way value single upgrades but full set. When you have access to everything then you can plan ultimate set with this method.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Rounced if you want best set then you have value expertice and hit to 2. Before patch you need to be blacksmith to get all expertice easily but post patch it's really easy get exp/hit caps.
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Actually that is a really good point although hit should have a real value not 2 since after you cap hit it still has a value and that value normally is comparable to agi/crit and haste. Expertise I can see bringing down to 2 from a real value since after the cap it should be possible to cap without using all gem slots. So after the patch you could reduce expertise to 2 and run hit as a real value on a capped set and then just plan on making sure to use however many gem slots are necessary to make sure you are at least at the spell hit and the expertise caps. Any gem slots after that point would be used for AP.
This may change with the haste changes but I can see your point for now, although without that 9 expertise from UR just about every gem slot has to be expertise anyway unless you are a JC or a BS.
I've argued the opposite in the past but for expertise value, once capped, I now see the point of using an arbitrary value like 2 instead of going with a reverse EP simmed value.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I've argued the opposite in the past but for expertise value, once capped, I now see the point of using an arbitrary value like 2 instead of going with a reverse EP simmed value.
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Originally Posted by Protico
If you are going down this road than you might as well just sim your overall stats before/after any change and compare, rather than using EP at all.
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The arbitrary value is really only set for expertise since the assumption is that you will be expertise capped. If you drop even a point below the cap then you have to start using real EP values for expertise again. As for hit the concept is to use the EP values generated by a spell hit capped set but recognizing that if you are not at or above the spell hit cap and you can't gem to get there then you have to reevaluate your entire set using the uncapped values.
I've been trying to think of how to explain my thinking and why I use a couple of loot ranks to determine my BiS gearing and Pitbuller's post just made it all click a little bit better, at least in my own head.
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Originally Posted by Protico
Negative EP isn't arbitrary at all, it shows what the expertise you are using anyway is providing you in terms of EP. I see what you are saying about replacement value in terms of gems, but primarily EP values are used to make specific single comparisons (for me at least) so using the actual simmed values makes a lot more sense.
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Last edited by Pitbuller : 03/15/09 at 1:11 PM.
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Hi,this is the first time i post here so please forgive me if i do something wrong.
I'm trying to use the sim for a few days now but after a lot of studying and trying and tweaking i finaly gave up!
Can someone pls tell me why on earth it is adding LvB and FS in the rotation?
I'm trying to use the sim for a few days now but after a lot of studying and trying and tweaking i finaly gave up!
Can someone pls tell me why on earth it is adding LvB and FS in the rotation?
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.6 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.01 oh_crit 31.01 mh_hit 10.49 oh_hit 10.49 mh_expertise_rating 132 oh_expertise_rating 132 ap 3815 haste 3.57 armor_penetration 2.53 str 129 agi 831 int 508 spi 153 spellpower 1144 spell_crit 23.36 spell_hit 13.11 max_mana 11731 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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MH:
miss 198178 12.33%
dodge 32161 2.00%
glancing 401899 25.01%
hit 382534 23.80%
crit 592397 36.86%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.62%
procs/swings 14.60%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 11666 2.05%
hit 334631 58.93%
crit 221555 39.02%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 6604 1.96%
hit 198384 58.74%
crit 132738 39.30%
OH:
miss 368648 12.34%
dodge 59316 1.98%
glancing 747666 25.02%
hit 710795 23.78%
crit 1102172 36.88%
OH Flametongue:
miss 109978 3.25%
hit 2396072 70.88%
crit 874530 25.87%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 6791 2.05%
hit 194028 58.60%
crit 130303 39.35%
Earth Shock:
miss 5281 3.21%
hit 116788 70.98%
crit 42456 25.81%
Flame Shock:
miss 11523 3.24%
hit 251619 70.84%
crit 92031 25.91%
dots 854889.00
Lava Burst:
miss 10899 3.25%
hit 0 0.00%
crit 323951 96.75%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 10011 1.98%
hit 297142 58.77%
crit 198474 39.25%
Lightning Shield:
miss 12276 3.25%
hit 365472 96.75%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 29.48
flurry uptime 77.56%
unleashed rage uptime 99.86%
elemental devastation uptime 91.97%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 33.47%
oh enchant uptime 26.67%
trinket1 uptime 32.90%
trinket2 uptime 39.02%
totem uptime 47.32%
set bonus uptime 95.98%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.80 1.03%
mp5 16.88 21.79%
replenishment 23.45 30.27%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 0.00%
shamanistic rage 36.33 46.90%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc potion 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 352.81 22.97% 76.60
windfury 181.35 11.81% 4.73
flametongue 223.91 14.58% 56.34
stormstrike 73.84 4.81% 5.63 31.01 32.22%
lava lash 51.53 3.35% 8.43 15.99 16.61%
earth shock 83.76 5.45% 2.74 10.39 10.79%
flame shock 139.75 9.1% 5.92 2.34 2.43%
lava burst 352.28 22.93% 5.58 36.53 37.95%
lightning shield 76.81 5% 0.70 0.00 0.00%
DPS 1536.05
MPS 96.26
MP2min 11550.93
MRPS 78.13
Out of mana time 2.78%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 5.42s
simulation speed: 664084x
Last edited by Solema : 03/15/09 at 1:11 PM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Why?
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
Sim values are great for everything else but stats that cap. Let's make an example. If you get trinket with 64expertice with same proc(or ssame value) as mirror of truth. Ep value will show that 64expertise > 84crit rating(~192ep > ~168ep). But when you replace your trinket you go over expertise cap and you need replace four gems with ap ones. This will give you 128ap. This give 40ep loss isntead of 24ep gain. But if you use expertise value of 2 you know that trinket is inferior one(128ep < 168ep).
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Actually, you'll want to set any stats that are capped, like expertise and hit, to whichever stat has the highest effective EP weight (EP modified by item value). For now, that means 2 due to AP, but if haste becomes the better stat to stack, then you'd have to set the value to your value for haste.
The only exceptions are when you have no available gem sockets to change out if you drop or gain some expertise or hit. I don't think that'll be much of a problem with 3.1, but it is still possible. In the first case, where you have can't use gems to gain anymore hit or expertise, you need to use the negative value. In the second case, where you can't drop any expertise or hit gems from your sockets, you need to use a 0 value.
The only exceptions are when you have no available gem sockets to change out if you drop or gain some expertise or hit. I don't think that'll be much of a problem with 3.1, but it is still possible. In the first case, where you have can't use gems to gain anymore hit or expertise, you need to use the negative value. In the second case, where you can't drop any expertise or hit gems from your sockets, you need to use a 0 value.
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Originally Posted by Densor
Actually, you'll want to set any stats that are capped, like expertise and hit, to whichever stat has the highest effective EP weight (EP modified by item value). For now, that means 2 due to AP, but if haste becomes the better stat to stack, then you'd have to set the value to your value for haste.
The only exceptions are when you have no available gem sockets to change out if you drop or gain some expertise or hit. I don't think that'll be much of a problem with 3.1, but it is still possible. In the first case, where you have can't use gems to gain anymore hit or expertise, you need to use the negative value. In the second case, where you can't drop any expertise or hit gems from your sockets, you need to use a 0 value. |
Replace 2 above with haste EP post 3.1.
I use a slightly different method to give EP value to a stat which can be capped via Gems.
I give the stat an EP value which is between its capped and non capped value with the exact position of that value being equal to the proportion of my Gem slots that need to be filled to meet the cap.
For example. If my simm'ed hit rating EP = 3.1 for <14% and EP = 1.8 >14%.
If I use pure hit in all my slots, I can gain ~150 hit rating, however I only need ~115 hit rating from gems to reach 14%.
115/150 = 0.77 finding proportion
3.1-1.8 = 1.3
1.3 x 0.77 = ~1
1.8 + ~1 = ~2.8 proportionally mid-range
I'll set hit EP to 2.8 when selecting gear.
If I were only considering swapping a single piece of gear, then an EP of 2 for hit (equiv to AP) might net me a slightly better single upgrade, as I still have more room to swap out AP and swap in Hit on an even basis, but then if I use the 2 value and look over my whole set of gear, I'll find that some of my BiS items are no longer valued at BiS because of the lower hit EP - but were I to swap them for the 'new' BiS item then my hit rating might drop drastically and raise the hit EP back up above 2 again. A viscous cycle that won't really stop.
I find the proportional method works better for considering a whole set of armor with the best potential and avoiding the catch 22 type situation when EP values instantly jump between two very different numbers due to cap's. The gem slots still allow you to match the stats up nicely to their cap's to get the maximum potential out of the highest EP stats.
I give the stat an EP value which is between its capped and non capped value with the exact position of that value being equal to the proportion of my Gem slots that need to be filled to meet the cap.
For example. If my simm'ed hit rating EP = 3.1 for <14% and EP = 1.8 >14%.
If I use pure hit in all my slots, I can gain ~150 hit rating, however I only need ~115 hit rating from gems to reach 14%.
115/150 = 0.77 finding proportion
3.1-1.8 = 1.3
1.3 x 0.77 = ~1
1.8 + ~1 = ~2.8 proportionally mid-range
I'll set hit EP to 2.8 when selecting gear.
If I were only considering swapping a single piece of gear, then an EP of 2 for hit (equiv to AP) might net me a slightly better single upgrade, as I still have more room to swap out AP and swap in Hit on an even basis, but then if I use the 2 value and look over my whole set of gear, I'll find that some of my BiS items are no longer valued at BiS because of the lower hit EP - but were I to swap them for the 'new' BiS item then my hit rating might drop drastically and raise the hit EP back up above 2 again. A viscous cycle that won't really stop.
I find the proportional method works better for considering a whole set of armor with the best potential and avoiding the catch 22 type situation when EP values instantly jump between two very different numbers due to cap's. The gem slots still allow you to match the stats up nicely to their cap's to get the maximum potential out of the highest EP stats.
Hi all, I have been a long time reader, first time poster. I am a bit confused about the simulator output. I noticed that in this thread, all the dps yield from people posting are like > 4k dps. I tried to use the same config that people posted but the simulator always reported ~2k dps. Is there something that I missed?
Thanks,
Thanks,
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Originally Posted by syzygylock
Hi all, I have been a long time reader, first time poster. I am a bit confused about the simulator output. I noticed that in this thread, all the dps yield from people posting are like > 4k dps. I tried to use the same config that people posted but the simulator always reported ~2k dps. Is there something that I missed?
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I did, but it came out to be 1.7k dps. Did you guys lower the boss' armor or raid buff? Anyways, I am attaching the config file.
Here's my output:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.80 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 22.57 oh_crit 22.57 mh_hit 10.67 oh_hit 10.67 mh_expertise_rating 117.00 oh_expertise_rating 117.00 ap 2852 haste 1.65 armor_penetration 3.90 str 125 agi 720 int 413 spi 145 spellpower 855 spell_crit 15.69 spell_hit 13.34 max_mana 10311 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 meteorite_whetstone trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 2/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
MH:
miss 1856586 10.30%
dodge 539890 2.99%
glancing 4496757 24.95%
hit 6905381 38.31%
crit 4228024 23.45%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 17.16%
procs/swings 15.21%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 206984 3.08%
hit 4792281 71.26%
crit 1726159 25.67%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 123310 3.02%
hit 2930332 71.70%
crit 1033556 25.29%
OH:
miss 2685900 10.31%
dodge 780681 3.00%
glancing 6501551 24.96%
hit 9970978 38.28%
crit 6109395 23.45%
OH Flametongue:
miss 1153887 3.66%
hit 25002550 79.31%
crit 5368698 17.03%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 118341 2.99%
hit 2839848 71.64%
crit 1005699 25.37%
Earth Shock:
miss 200297 3.68%
hit 4309034 79.26%
crit 927392 17.06%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 158143 3.01%
hit 3749757 71.35%
crit 1347907 25.65%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 143538 3.71%
hit 3062626 79.22%
crit 659761 17.07%
Lightning Shield:
miss 154828 4.02%
hit 3700296 95.98%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 34.57
flurry uptime 59.93%
unleashed rage uptime 98.11%
elemental devastation uptime 37.78%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 38.67%
oh enchant uptime 32.65%
trinket1 uptime 20.37%
trinket2 uptime 32.30%
totem uptime 49.12%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 -1.#J%
mp5 0.00 -1.#J%
replenishment 0.00 -1.#J%
unrelenting storm 0.00 -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 -1.#J%
shamanistic rage 0.00 -1.#J%
mana potion 0.00 -1.#J%
misc potion 0.00 -1.#J%
DPS PPM MPS
white 471.68 26.46% 73.46
windfury 238.71 13.39% 5.60
flametongue 232.59 13.05% 52.54
stormstrike 112.88 6.33% 6.81 37.53 24.54%
lava lash 85.91 4.82% 8.76 21.37 13.97%
earth shock 292.06 16.38% 9.06 50.22 32.84%
lightning bolt 256.19 14.37% 6.44 43.81 28.65%
lightning shield 92.76 5.2% 0.71 0.00 0.00%
DPS 1782.77
MPS 152.94
MP2min 18352.55
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 16.21s
simulation speed: 2220851x
You have no raid buffs specified, which means your DPS will suck. Enhancement shaman benefit from almost every raid buff. Additionally, you have an odd spec specified, missing 3 points in Elemental Fury. You also have no food or elixirs specified.
Adding in raid buffs to your config brought you over to over 3600 DPS.
Adding in raid buffs to your config brought you over to over 3600 DPS.
Ah! I thought that we should not use any buff when running the simulator. And yes, the talent is wrong. But just to verify, when running the simulator we should put on every buffs available right?
Thanks,
Thanks,
You put in all the buffs where it specifies in the config file here (the defaults are the numbers after the '/'):
Then, when you have no buffs or imbues on your character, you put your stats in here:
The sim factors in how all the specified buffs affect your base stats and then figures out your DPS from there.
armor_debuff_major 0/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60
race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.80 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 22.57 oh_crit 22.57 mh_hit 10.67 oh_hit 10.67 mh_expertise_rating 117.00 oh_expertise_rating 117.00 ap 2852 haste 1.65 armor_penetration 3.90 str 125 agi 720 int 413 spi 145 spellpower 855 spell_crit 15.69 spell_hit 13.34 max_mana 10311 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 meteorite_whetstone trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem stonebreakers_totem set_bonus - metagem - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 2/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by syzygylock
Ah! I thought that we should not use any buff when running the simulator. And yes, the talent is wrong. But just to verify, when running the simulator we should put on every buffs available right?
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You are also not using MT (magma totem) in your rotation and use ES or ES_SS not both.
I know i'm playing with fire posting this again but i fear my post was overshadowed by the hit/exp values conversation and wasnt read.If anyone can figure out what i'm doing wrong and getting only 1.5k dps i will be gratefull.The only thing i have noticed is that it is adding LvB and FS in the rotation for some reason i can't explain.This is my config:
I know i'm playing with fire posting this again but i fear my post was overshadowed by the hit/exp values conversation and wasnt read.If anyone can figure out what i'm doing wrong and getting only 1.5k dps i will be gratefull.The only thing i have noticed is that it is adding LvB and FS in the rotation for some reason i can't explain.This is my config:
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 1.6 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.01 oh_crit 31.01 mh_hit 10.49 oh_hit 10.49 mh_expertise_rating 132 oh_expertise_rating 132 ap 3815 haste 3.57 armor_penetration 2.53 str 129 agi 831 int 508 spi 153 spellpower 1144 spell_crit 23.36 spell_hit 13.11 max_mana 11731 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
DPS PPM MPS white 352.81 22.97% 76.60 windfury 181.35 11.81% 4.73 flametongue 223.91 14.58% 56.34 stormstrike 73.84 4.81% 5.63 31.01 32.22% lava lash 51.53 3.35% 8.43 15.99 16.61% earth shock 83.76 5.45% 2.74 10.39 10.79% flame shock 139.75 9.1% 5.92 2.34 2.43% lava burst 352.28 22.93% 5.58 36.53 37.95% lightning shield 76.81 5% 0.70 0.00 0.00% DPS 1536.05 MPS 96.26 MP2min 11550.93 MRPS 78.13 Out of mana time 2.78% elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h elapsed real time: 5.42s simulation speed: 664084x
did you untick FS and LvB and, just to be sure, move it down in the list?
Yes.It would be in the config rotation if i didnt untick it wouldnt it?
Solema, just to be sure. Are you renaming the config file when you enter your stats/rotation or are you using the gui?
If you are renaming the config, make sure the sim is running with the correct config file. Your output looks exactly like what the default config gives, so your probably not using the correct file name.
If you edit 'start_simulation' and is shows this:
then make sure to change 'config.txt' to the name of your altered config file.
For example, when I run the sim I create my config file called 'config-enh.txt'. Since this is the name of the config I want the sim to use, I have the following in the 'start_simulation' batch file:
If you are renaming the config, make sure the sim is running with the correct config file. Your output looks exactly like what the default config gives, so your probably not using the correct file name.
If you edit 'start_simulation' and is shows this:
enhsim.exe config.txt output=output.txt
For example, when I run the sim I create my config file called 'config-enh.txt'. Since this is the name of the config I want the sim to use, I have the following in the 'start_simulation' batch file:
enhsim.exe config-enh.txt output=output.txt
I'm using the GUI.I dont touch the config at all.Do i still have to rename something?
EDIT:Woot got it!Thanks m8 you are great
EDIT:Woot got it!Thanks m8 you are great
Last edited by Solema : Yesterday at 1:13 PM.
Sorry if this is a bit offtopic, but I'm getting some weird results from the sim, specifically The Stray I just picked up, unenchanted, is simming higher than my split greathammer with mongoose? I understand the Stray WILL be good in 3.1 ( possibly the best pre-ulduar? ).. but I can't understand why it's simming so well for me right now
Stray gives additional Flurry uptime if your weapons are synced in speed. This does occur in the game but not 100% of the time (there was discussion on it earlier in the thread) but seems to have a much higher percentage in the sim.
Easy workaround is to set one of your weapons to 2.59 or 2.61 and rerun the Sim, but just keep in mind that it is a real phenomenon provided you can keep the weapons synced.
Easy workaround is to set one of your weapons to 2.59 or 2.61 and rerun the Sim, but just keep in mind that it is a real phenomenon provided you can keep the weapons synced.
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Originally Posted by Zyla
It's been reverted!
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Hi everyone,
I am kind of new at this forum so sorry for that maybe stupid question.
I cant run the simulator, because my Computer still has no SSE2, so i wanted to ask, if it is possible to get it run in any other ways or if there are simple alternatives to it.
Thanks
I am kind of new at this forum so sorry for that maybe stupid question.
I cant run the simulator, because my Computer still has no SSE2, so i wanted to ask, if it is possible to get it run in any other ways or if there are simple alternatives to it.
Thanks
From PTR 3.0.8 Build 9355 :
| Glyph of Windfury Weapon - Increases the chance per swing for Windfury Weapon to trigger by 5%. (Old - The attack power bonus on the additional attacks granted by Windfury Weapon is increased by 40%.) |
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Originally Posted by aers
From PTR 3.0.8 Build 9355 :
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Last edited by Leviathon : 12/13/08 at 10:43 AM.
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
New wf glyph will boost singe wield wf damage about 15.4-20%. This is about ~2% dps increase. Math behind these numbes are simple. After all haste effect with slower than 1.5s weapon we actual proc chance is 16.666% and with that glyph it's 20%. If main hand hit faster than 1.5s then numbers are 14.44% and 16.66%.
0.2 / 0.1666... = 1.2 0.16666... / 0.1444... = 1.1538 Then if wf damage is about 10-15% total damage this give about ~2% damage increase. Increased wf hits also give some benefit to damage I can guess this is around +1%. Much better that before. |
Of course if it does work out to a 20% proc rate, that tells me they have no plans to ever take WF off the CD, as it will essentially have the 20% stated proc rate we should have been getting all along.
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Originally Posted by Sado
Is there any data from the sim to support whether the Totem of Splintering or the Totem of Dueling is better?
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Splintering is a PoS btw, even with the new glyph it's still a PoS.
Wait for the new PvP ones, even the Blue is better then any of our current options (I think - but it's close enough that if you don't have Dueling you won't miss it).
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When loading a saved config, raid buffs are not loading, it always loads with all buffs unchecked.
edit - Issue with 1.6.6 when running my normal config this was the output
Edit2 - nm it's because the default buff/debuff for Sunder and Faerie Fire is set to the previous values even though it is now percentage based. Revised all debuffs/buffs and boss values as per Levva's post EnhSim, DPS simulator and it is working fine.
edit - Issue with 1.6.6 when running my normal config this was the output
Edit2 - nm it's because the default buff/debuff for Sunder and Faerie Fire is set to the previous values even though it is now percentage based. Revised all debuffs/buffs and boss values as per Levva's post EnhSim, DPS simulator and it is working fine.
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Originally Posted by tukez
Yes, the bloodlust_casters 2 is redundant. Options should be 0 or 1.
Config file is bad if you are looking for some default values. If you or someone else have some spare time, they could setup some good default config for me. |
Edit : Oh one thing just noted "drums_of_battle" as an option to misc_item - Drums no longer work for lvl 80s so should be removed as a viable option in the GUI/Sim.
Question : How is Focus Magic treated as a buff in the sim. I'm doubtful a mage would put it on an Enh Shammy but...
I ask because its mentioned in the default config (strangely under "spellpower_buff" which it obviously isn't)
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Originally Posted by Levva
Edit : Oh one thing just noted "drums_of_battle" as an option to misc_item - Drums no longer work for lvl 80s so should be removed as a viable option in the GUI/Sim.
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Hyperspeed Accelerators - Spell - World of Warcraft
Permanently attaches hyperspeed accelerators to a pair of gloves, allowing a skilled engineer to increase their haste rating by 340 for 10 sec. The gloves can only be activated every minute.
Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket
deals 1440 to 1760 Fire damage (Up from 1035 to 1265), cooldown lowered from 1 min to 45 sec.
Neither item is on the GCD. Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket crits at player's spell crit rate for 150% damage (unaffected by player talents). Damage is done as Fire and benefits from any debuff that can increase fire/spell damage.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
When loading a saved config, raid buffs are not loading, it always loads with all buffs unchecked.
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Expertise is broken for EP calculations.
Set it to 0 with an EP value of 4 and it still reported that expertise was past the cap and skipped the test. The issue is with the expertise on Unleashed Rage.
With 0 points in Unleashed Rage it works fine. With even a single point in Unleashed Rage the EP runs start to skip the test saying that it is over the cap.
Testing the dodge reduction from Unleashed Rage's Expertise and it seems to be giving 6 points of Expertise per talent point instead of 3 points since with 0 expertise rating the sim showed a 1.5% reduction in the dodge rate per talent point, giving 2% dodged attacks with 3 points in Unleashed Rage with the Boss dodge rate set to 6.5%.
However that is not related to what is wrong with the EP calculations since even with the Expertise EP value set to 0.1 and only 1 point in Unleashed Rage it still skipped the test reporting that it was over the cap.
Set it to 0 with an EP value of 4 and it still reported that expertise was past the cap and skipped the test. The issue is with the expertise on Unleashed Rage.
With 0 points in Unleashed Rage it works fine. With even a single point in Unleashed Rage the EP runs start to skip the test saying that it is over the cap.
Testing the dodge reduction from Unleashed Rage's Expertise and it seems to be giving 6 points of Expertise per talent point instead of 3 points since with 0 expertise rating the sim showed a 1.5% reduction in the dodge rate per talent point, giving 2% dodged attacks with 3 points in Unleashed Rage with the Boss dodge rate set to 6.5%.
However that is not related to what is wrong with the EP calculations since even with the Expertise EP value set to 0.1 and only 1 point in Unleashed Rage it still skipped the test reporting that it was over the cap.
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Suggested Default Config file
Rouncer may recognise most of the character related setup 
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 1000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 100 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 200 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 1 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SW = spirit wolves
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 SR
rotation_priority3 MW5_LB
rotation_priority4 ES_SS
rotation_priority5 SS
rotation_priority6 ES
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 MT
rotation_priority9 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
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miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 24.00 //%
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 0.0/20.0 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/4.0 //%, bloody frenzy, savage combat
melee_haste_buff 0.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/5.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill, imp.shadow bolt
spell_damage_debuff 0.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of the elements
spellpower_buff 0/280 //flametongue totem, totem of wrath
spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 0.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath, master poisoner
stat_multiplier 0.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 0/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 0/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
misc_item -
// { - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
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#SHAMAN###
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race orc //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 171.3
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 29.36 //%
oh_crit 29.36
mh_hit 8.39 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 8.39
mh_expertise_rating 140 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 140
ap 3455 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
melee_haste 5.31 //%
armor_penetration 0.00 //%
str 139
agi 721
int 480
spi 162
spellpower 1036 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 22.87 //%
spell_hit 10.48 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
spell_haste 4.09 //%
max_mana 11316
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | flametongue_9 | frostbrand | - }
mh_enchant berserking
oh_enchant berserking
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | berserking | - }
mh_weapon axe
oh_weapon axe
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights
trinket2 grim_toll
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | mark_of_norgannon | fezziks_pocketwatch |
// thorny_rose_brooch | rune_of_finite_variation | bandits_insignia |
// darkmoon_card_greatness | pendulum_of_telluric_currents |
// vestige_of_haldor | twilight_serpent | thunder_capacitor |
// tears_of_bitter_anguish | - }
totem totem_of_dueling
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | totem_of_dueling | totem_of_the_elemental_plane |
// deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | hateful_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// savage_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | deadly_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// hateful_gladiators_totem_of_survival | savage_gladiators_totem_of_survival | - }
set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
//higher set bonuses include lower ones eg. naxx_melee_4 includes naxx_melee_2
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | worldbreaker_battlegear_2 | worldbreaker_battlegear_4 | - }
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3 windfury_weapon
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | feral_spirit | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 2/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 0/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Last edited by Levva : 04/11/09 at 4:24 PM.
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Feral Spirits
Some testing on Feral Spirits on PTR build 9757 hopefully this is an ok place to post it given Tukez is working on the FS for the new sim version :
NB. Obviously I had to have talents equipped otherwise I couldn't summon the wolves.
Naked values :
self: Str 121, Agi 71, Int 134, AP 466, Dmg 67-68, Speed 2.0, dps 33.8, Spell 139
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 786 (tooltip 642+144), Dmg 331-456, Dps 262.3, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
I noted that the pet AP +144 is 30.9% of my AP. I applied SoE totem :
self: Str 299, Agi 249, Int 134, AP 822, Dmg 118-119, Dps Speed 2.0, Dps 59.2, Spell 246
pet: Str 509, Agi 291, Int 65, AP 1252 (tooltip 998+254), Dmg 381-506, Dps 295.6, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
Note that the +254 is still exactly 30.9% of my AP.
I then ate some grilled sculptin to give +60AP.
self: Str 121, Agi 71, Int 134, AP 526, Dmg 76-77, Speed 2.0, dps 38.1, Spell 157
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 805 (tooltip 642+163), Dmg 333-456, Dps 263.7, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
The +163 AP is 30.98% of my AP.
So I'm coming to the conclusion that the pets get 31% of our AP, definitely more than 30%.
It's obvious as well that they get AP from Str & Agi too as the SoE totem boosted their base AP by 356 exactly ie: 1:1 ratio with Str & Agi. Edit: Further evidence later confirms this is wrong and its 2xStr with NO Agi contribution.
Using a Scroll of Agi on myself in addition to the grilled sculptin gives :
self: Str 121, Agi 101, Int 134, AP 556, Dmg 80-81, Speed 2.0, dps 40.2, Spell 167
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 814 (tooltip 642+172), Dmg 333-459, Dps 264.3, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
So confirming they aren't getting our Agi buffs only buffs like totems/auras. Again 31% seems reasonable assumption.
Clearing all buffs and equipping some gear gives :
self: Str 186, Agi 766, Int 982, AP 3145, Dmg 919-1178, Speed 2.31, dps 454.1, Spell 943
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 1616 (tooltip 642+974), Dmg 420-545, Dps 321.6, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
So this time 974/3145 = 30.97%.
I asked a warlock to buff them with fel intellect when summoned and he reported they were invalid targets, he was a bit clueless though so I'd want this confirmed by someone with a clue.
I was able to buff them with an Agility Scroll and extremely interestingly that DID NOT BOOST THEIR Attack Power!!! I then noted that when not summoned the tooltip for their strength says gives -20 Attackpower. Suddenly it all made sense.
Their AP formula is (Strength*2-20)+31% player AP, and their base dps formulae is 206.17 + AP/14.
This makes sense that they get strength * 2 as we always suspected Blizzard had still screwed up their setup and was basing it on our BC stats.
Now some important things to note they are only getting passively applied buffs or buffs applied directly to them, they do not benefit from our buffs other than ones that improve our AP.
Their base dps is of course modified by their miss chance from gaining none of our expertise they should be melee hit capped assuming player is yellow hit capped as they get our hit rating. Their base dps is also modified by crits & probably glancing blows (can anyone confirm this)?
Their crit percentage seems quite low, however I have not yet determined how this is arrived at.
Their "weapon" speed is 1.5 but it is affected by haste buffs (NOT player haste rating though) so they get +20% haste from WF totem for instance (talented of course). This takes their speed to 1.25, and dps on tooltip jumps by exactly 20%. They DO NOT get affected by bloodlust if summoned AFTER bloodlust up. If you summon them and THEN do a bloodlust they ARE affected. Weapon speed with BL = 1.15 and dps +30% boost, weapon speed with BL & WF (talented) = 0.96 and dps = 56% boost which is exactly as expected.
NB. Obviously I had to have talents equipped otherwise I couldn't summon the wolves.
Naked values :
self: Str 121, Agi 71, Int 134, AP 466, Dmg 67-68, Speed 2.0, dps 33.8, Spell 139
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 786 (tooltip 642+144), Dmg 331-456, Dps 262.3, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
I noted that the pet AP +144 is 30.9% of my AP. I applied SoE totem :
self: Str 299, Agi 249, Int 134, AP 822, Dmg 118-119, Dps Speed 2.0, Dps 59.2, Spell 246
pet: Str 509, Agi 291, Int 65, AP 1252 (tooltip 998+254), Dmg 381-506, Dps 295.6, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
Note that the +254 is still exactly 30.9% of my AP.
I then ate some grilled sculptin to give +60AP.
self: Str 121, Agi 71, Int 134, AP 526, Dmg 76-77, Speed 2.0, dps 38.1, Spell 157
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 805 (tooltip 642+163), Dmg 333-456, Dps 263.7, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
The +163 AP is 30.98% of my AP.
So I'm coming to the conclusion that the pets get 31% of our AP, definitely more than 30%.
It's obvious as well that they get AP from Str & Agi too as the SoE totem boosted their base AP by 356 exactly ie: 1:1 ratio with Str & Agi. Edit: Further evidence later confirms this is wrong and its 2xStr with NO Agi contribution.
Using a Scroll of Agi on myself in addition to the grilled sculptin gives :
self: Str 121, Agi 101, Int 134, AP 556, Dmg 80-81, Speed 2.0, dps 40.2, Spell 167
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 814 (tooltip 642+172), Dmg 333-459, Dps 264.3, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
So confirming they aren't getting our Agi buffs only buffs like totems/auras. Again 31% seems reasonable assumption.
Clearing all buffs and equipping some gear gives :
self: Str 186, Agi 766, Int 982, AP 3145, Dmg 919-1178, Speed 2.31, dps 454.1, Spell 943
Pet: Str 331, Agi 113, Int 65, AP 1616 (tooltip 642+974), Dmg 420-545, Dps 321.6, Speed 1.5, Spell 0
So this time 974/3145 = 30.97%.
I asked a warlock to buff them with fel intellect when summoned and he reported they were invalid targets, he was a bit clueless though so I'd want this confirmed by someone with a clue.
I was able to buff them with an Agility Scroll and extremely interestingly that DID NOT BOOST THEIR Attack Power!!! I then noted that when not summoned the tooltip for their strength says gives -20 Attackpower. Suddenly it all made sense.
Their AP formula is (Strength*2-20)+31% player AP, and their base dps formulae is 206.17 + AP/14.
This makes sense that they get strength * 2 as we always suspected Blizzard had still screwed up their setup and was basing it on our BC stats.
Now some important things to note they are only getting passively applied buffs or buffs applied directly to them, they do not benefit from our buffs other than ones that improve our AP.
Their base dps is of course modified by their miss chance from gaining none of our expertise they should be melee hit capped assuming player is yellow hit capped as they get our hit rating. Their base dps is also modified by crits & probably glancing blows (can anyone confirm this)?
Their crit percentage seems quite low, however I have not yet determined how this is arrived at.
Their "weapon" speed is 1.5 but it is affected by haste buffs (NOT player haste rating though) so they get +20% haste from WF totem for instance (talented of course). This takes their speed to 1.25, and dps on tooltip jumps by exactly 20%. They DO NOT get affected by bloodlust if summoned AFTER bloodlust up. If you summon them and THEN do a bloodlust they ARE affected. Weapon speed with BL = 1.15 and dps +30% boost, weapon speed with BL & WF (talented) = 0.96 and dps = 56% boost which is exactly as expected.
Last edited by Levva : 04/11/09 at 8:07 PM.
EnhSim 1.6.8
1.6.8
-Spirit Wolves get Bloodlust on first fight too.
-Spirit Wolves cooldown fixed to 3min.
-Spirit Wolves base stats and scaling fixed to correct values.
-Unleashed Rage expertise bug fixed.
-Config option misc_item removed.
-New config options: gloves_enchant and cloak_enchant.
-Enchants Hyperspeed Accelerators, Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket, Lightweave Embroidery and Swordguard Embroidery added.
-Updated default config.
Thanks for the bug reports.
-Spirit Wolves get Bloodlust on first fight too.
-Spirit Wolves cooldown fixed to 3min.
-Spirit Wolves base stats and scaling fixed to correct values.
-Unleashed Rage expertise bug fixed.
-Config option misc_item removed.
-New config options: gloves_enchant and cloak_enchant.
-Enchants Hyperspeed Accelerators, Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket, Lightweave Embroidery and Swordguard Embroidery added.
-Updated default config.
Thanks for the bug reports.
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Not sure if someone mentioned this recently, if they have I apologize for any reiteration!
The Fire Elemental/Earth Elemental buffs on the PTR are pretty awesome. Curious if for knowledges sake we could get the Fire Elemental added into the sim to check how it matches up against Magma Totem? I have a feeling it should be only very slightly worse or maybe even equal to magma, maybe not, but I'm curious nonetheless. My Fire Elemental was hitting for around ~900 melee swings and 1400-1800 novas, and it's actually like.... mana efficient now.
I plan to do many target dummy tests when it goes live to compare, but the 20 min cooldown kinda sucks for testing purposes (10min glyphed) :P.
Thanks, and keep up the great work tukez!
P.S. I guess I should make an example of how I would like to test it. Using Fire ele until it expires and then swapping back to good ole' magma totem until combat is over.
The Fire Elemental/Earth Elemental buffs on the PTR are pretty awesome. Curious if for knowledges sake we could get the Fire Elemental added into the sim to check how it matches up against Magma Totem? I have a feeling it should be only very slightly worse or maybe even equal to magma, maybe not, but I'm curious nonetheless. My Fire Elemental was hitting for around ~900 melee swings and 1400-1800 novas, and it's actually like.... mana efficient now.
I plan to do many target dummy tests when it goes live to compare, but the 20 min cooldown kinda sucks for testing purposes (10min glyphed) :P.
Thanks, and keep up the great work tukez!
P.S. I guess I should make an example of how I would like to test it. Using Fire ele until it expires and then swapping back to good ole' magma totem until combat is over.
Last edited by kaoticz : 04/13/09 at 2:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by kaoticz
Not sure if someone mentioned this recently, if they have I apologize for any reiteration!
The Fire Elemental/Earth Elemental buffs on the PTR are pretty awesome. Curious if for knowledges sake we could get the Fire Elemental added into the sim to check how it matches up against Magma Totem? I have a feeling it should be only very slightly worse or maybe even equal to magma, maybe not, but I'm curious nonetheless. My Fire Elemental was hitting for around ~900 melee swings and 1400-1800 novas, and it's actually like.... mana efficient now. I plan to do many target dummy tests when it goes live to compare, but the 20 min cooldown kinda sucks for testing purposes (10min glyphed) :P. Thanks, and keep up the great work tukez! P.S. I guess I should make an example of how I would like to test it. Using Fire ele until it expires and then swapping back to good ole' magma totem until combat is over. |
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hi
im a bit new to this sim and dont quite get everything due to my bad english or something else :P so id be very grateful if someone can enlighten me.. also i apologise you must have seen tons of questions like this
this is my config.txt
is everything filled in corectly? is my rotation good?
and this is my output file
crit is kinda high and intelect too...is that suposed to be like that?
im a bit new to this sim and dont quite get everything due to my bad english or something else :P so id be very grateful if someone can enlighten me.. also i apologise you must have seen tons of questions like this
this is my config.txt
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast misc_item drums_of_battle ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.65 oh_crit 31.65 mh_hit 11.53 oh_hit 11.53 mh_expertise_rating 215 oh_expertise_rating 215 ap 3749 haste 3.48 armor_penetration 1.82 str 133 agi 948 int 421 spi 156 spellpower 1398 spell_crit 22.08 spell_hit 14.41 max_mana 10431 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_4 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 2/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
and this is my output file
................................................................................ MH: miss 231059 9.44% dodge 0 0.00% glancing 611149 24.98% hit 479360 Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated. Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5223.51 ap 1.00 0.51 5325.13 101.63 crit rating 2.56 1.30 5262.50 39.00 hit rating 1.72 0.87 5249.75 26.25 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5223.51 haste rating 0.63 0.32 5233.13 9.63 armor penetration rating 1.40 0.71 5244.91 21.40 spellpower 0.96 0.49 5296.84 73.33 mh dps 6.62 3.37 5248.75 25.24 oh dps 2.81 1.43 5234.21 10.70 strength 1.10 agility 1.98 intelligence 7.01 spirit 0.46 0.24 5258.90 35.39 mana 0.32 0.16 5264.29 40.79 mp5 4.83 2.45 5272.60 49.09 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=2.56, HitRating=1.72, HasteRating=0.63, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.40, SpellDamage=0.96, MainHandDps=6.62, OffHandDps=2.81, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.98, Intellect=7.01, Spirit=0.46, Mana=0.32, Mp5=4.83 ) Loot Rank for WotLK elapsed simulation time: 13000.00h elapsed real time: 150.99s simulation speed: 309960x bonus uptime 0.00% metagem uptime 0.00% MRPS without overregen mana regen 4.57 4.14% mp5 0.00 0.00% replenishment 0.00 0.00% unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00% judgement of wisdom 0.00 0.00% shamanistic rage 105.74 95.86% mana potion 0.00 0.00% misc potion 0.00 0.00% DPS PPM MPS white 1749.36 33.46% 83.17 windfury 704.21 13.47% 6.67 flametongue 556.37 10.64% 50.42 stormstrike 263.50 5.04% 5.36 29.55 19.67% lava lash 218.50 4.18% 6.69 13.73 9.14% magma totem 428.77 8.2% 2.19 40.64 27.05% earth shock 474.02 9.07% 6.54 25.69 17.10% lightning bolt 695.38 13.3% 6.73 40.63 27.04% lightning shield 137.64 2.63% 0.66 0.00 0.00% DPS 5227.77 MPS 150.24 MP2min 18028.96 MRPS 177.23 Out of mana time 23.10% elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h elapsed real time: 59.76s simulation speed: 60246x
crit is kinda high and intelect too...is that suposed to be like that?
Last edited by Whitebeast : 04/13/09 at 4:09 PM. Reason: mistake
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Originally Posted by Whitebeast
replenishment 0
water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 ... crit is kinda high and intelect too...is that suposed to be like that? |
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Originally Posted by Whitebeast
hi
im a bit new to this sim and dont quite get everything due to my bad english or something else :P so id be very grateful if someone can enlighten me.. also i apologise you must have seen tons of questions like this this is my config.txt crit is kinda high and intelect too...is that suposed to be like that? |
First things first. For the love of all that is holy use [ code] [ /code] (without the spaces) when posting things like that.
Secondly take a look at this one section.
DPS 5227.77 MPS 150.24 MP2min 18028.96 MRPS 177.23 Out of mana time 23.10%
Are you having incredible mana issues while raiding? If you are not then simply un-check the box that says "Simulate Mana" and that will fix things for you.
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Originally Posted by rava
It should greatly surpass Magma during it's up time provided it doesn't die. The WWS I originally made expired, but I do recall it's DPS during it's duration being 991 while I was unbuffed/the dummy wasn't debuffed. Magma on the other hand while sporting full raid buffs, double ft, and a fully debuffed mob is barely approaching 600 dps for me. The elemental doesn't gain a lot of raid buffs(totems, ur, heroism, etc) which is a blessing in disguise allowing you to drop it when the stars align and you get the most out of it.
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I had planned to test it out further on live but if what you're saying is true then that is amazing. It's even better than I thought it was! I still can't believe they made it not go oom in 5 seconds though, seriously, what was up with that idea? Heh :P
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Nice to see the sim updated with the new mechanics. Just to clarify on the wolves, does the sim assume that they're synched with heroism since there's no option in the config for it? (likewise with refreshing magma totem as soon as a gcd is free for it)
I also notice that the boss values for miss, glancing and armour have gone down...has something changed there?
I also notice that the boss values for miss, glancing and armour have gone down...has something changed there?
Last edited by Staticus : 04/13/09 at 7:44 PM.
Strange values
Enhsim 1.6.6 and 1.6.8 are giving me strange values, and I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. I've been using enhsim since 3.0, so if it's user error it's because I'm missing something that should probably be obvious, not that I'm unfamiliar with the software.
My config:
My EP output:
Sim output:
Any suggestions?
My config:
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 2 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 350 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 16 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LS rotation_priority5 SR rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 FS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4 melee_haste_buff 20/20 melee_crit_chance_buff 5/5 attack_power_buff_flat 578/578 attack_power_buff_multiplier 10/10 spell_haste_buff 5/5 spell_crit_chance_buff 5/5 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5/5 spell_damage_debuff 13/13 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3/3 haste_buff 3/3 percentage_damage_increase 3/3 crit_chance_debuff 3/3 stat_multiplier 10/10 stat_add_buff 74/74 agi_and_strength_buff 255/255 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.71 oh_crit 31.71 mh_hit 11.22 oh_hit 11.22 mh_expertise_rating 141 oh_expertise_rating 141 ap 3646 melee_haste 9.91 armor_penetration 3.00 str 133 agi 797 int 495 spi 156 spellpower 1158 spell_crit 24.40 spell_hit 14.03 spell_haste 7.62 max_mana 11541 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus3 - metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 5/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.17364% (30.787 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2849.32 ap 1.00 0.09 2850.78 1.47 crit rating 5.77 0.53 2873.66 24.34 hit rating 5.10 0.47 2863.35 14.03 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2849.32 haste rating 5.94 0.54 2867.30 17.98 armor penetration rating 3.72 0.34 2854.44 5.12 spellpower 7.67 0.70 2869.01 19.70 mh dps 39.54 3.62 2867.44 18.12 oh dps 20.62 1.89 2858.77 9.45 strength 1.10 agility 2.71 intelligence* 2.12 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2849.32 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2849.32 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2849.32 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=5.77, HitRating=5.10, HasteRating=5.94, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=3.72, SpellDamage=7.67, MainHandDps=39.54, OffHandDps=20.62, Strength=1.10, Agility=2.71, Intellect=2.12, Spirit=0.00, Mana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=5.94&dps=39.54&mp5=0.00&mcr=5.77&odps=20.62&spd=7.67&Agi=2.71&mhit=5.10&Int=2.12&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=3.72&Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 24.60s simulation speed: 1463414x
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MH:
miss 263361 9.78%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 645949 23.99%
hit 516372 19.18%
crit 1266545 47.04%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.24%
procs/swings 13.94%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 428183 49.98%
crit 428569 50.02%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 190876 50.09%
crit 190223 49.91%
OH:
miss 274121 9.78%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 672633 23.99%
hit 538132 19.19%
crit 1319207 47.05%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2053719 61.39%
crit 1291602 38.61%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 189691 49.77%
crit 191408 50.23%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 345839 61.41%
crit 217368 38.59%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 216579 49.87%
crit 217671 50.13%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 326099 61.46%
crit 204492 38.54%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 468801 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 49.59
flurry uptime 88.23%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 75.66%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.80%
oh enchant uptime 36.04%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 18.18%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 626.15 21.98% 91.61
windfury 307.38 10.79% 7.14
flametongue 331.77 11.65% 55.76
stormstrike 100.73 3.54% 6.35 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 61.00 2.14% 7.24 19.94 9.94%
magma totem 358.82 12.6% 2.97 55.29 27.55%
earth shock 408.28 14.33% 9.39 60.66 30.23%
lightning bolt 478.83 16.81% 8.84 64.79 32.29%
lightning shield 175.28 6.15% 0.87 0.00 0.00%
DPS 2848.24
MPS 200.68
MP2min 24081.91
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.79s
simulation speed: 1290322x
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Originally Posted by Staticus
Nice to see the sim updated with the new mechanics. Just to clarify on the wolves, does the sim assume that they're synched with heroism since there's no option in the config for it? (likewise with refreshing magma totem as soon as a gcd is free for it)
I also notice that the boss values for miss, glancing and armour have gone down...has something changed there? |
Default boss values have gone a little down. I don't know if something has changed really, but those are the results of the latest tests.
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Originally Posted by Staticus
Nice to see the sim updated with the new mechanics. Just to clarify on the wolves, does the sim assume that they're synched with heroism since there's no option in the config for it? (likewise with refreshing magma totem as soon as a gcd is free for it)
I also notice that the boss values for miss, glancing and armour have gone down...has something changed there? |
hozzer:
The attack power buff multiplier is messing you up, you should leave it at 0/99.7 since you have unleashed rage. Also, I believe the attack power buff should be at 688/688.
The default config mentions that higher set bonuses include the lower one so it's redundant to put in naxx_melee_2 if you've put in 4.
attack_power_buff_flat 578/578 attack_power_buff_multiplier 10/10
The default config mentions that higher set bonuses include the lower one so it's redundant to put in naxx_melee_2 if you've put in 4.
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Originally Posted by underscore
The default config mentions that higher set bonuses include the lower one so it's redundant to put in naxx_melee_2 if you've put in 4.
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It just took me 30 seconds to prove to myself that you need to include both set bonuses and 20 seconds was just getting the GUI open on my desktop at work.
With both bonuses selected - 6226.74dps
with just Naxx Melee 4 selected - 6201.84dps
If you are going to state something like that then at least confirm that it works the way you say it does. Even if it says it works that way in the config file, take the time to at least do a minimal confirmation.
Hozzer the issue is a bug with the Simulator. For whatever reason if you input a 10% uptime for Unleashed Rage it drops your dps incredibly. If you use the default 99.7% or even just have it unselected and have the talents in place in your talent panel it works fine. It's definitely a bug though since unclicking the option and not having the talents still had my dps at 5753 whereas selecting for a 10% uptime took it to 2896.
Last edited by Rouncer : 04/14/09 at 9:14 AM.
I've noticed there's no check to see if a set bonus is already being used. For example, adding naxx_melee_2 3 times will result in more damage then 2 times and 2 more then 1 time
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Originally Posted by Rounced
It just took me 30 seconds to prove to myself that you need to include both set bonuses and 20 seconds was just getting the GUI open on my desktop at work.
With both bonuses selected - 6226.74dps with just Naxx Melee 4 selected - 6201.84dps If you are going to state something like that then at least confirm that it works the way you say it does. Even if it says it works that way in the config file, take the time to at least do a minimal confirmation. Hozzer the issue is a bug with the Simulator. For whatever reason if you input a 10% uptime for Unleashed Rage it drops your dps incredibly. If you use the default 99.7% or even just have it unselected and have the talents in place in your talent panel it works fine. It's definitely a bug though since unclicking the option and not having the talents still had my dps at 5753 whereas selecting for a 10% uptime took it to 2896. |
There definitely is a bug in the ap multiplier buff. I fixed it for the next version. Notice, that if you use ap multiplier buff, Unleashed Rage will not be modelled. If you have Unleashed Rage, you should not use the buff. This also reads in the tooltip.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
It just took me 30 seconds to prove to myself that you need to include both set bonuses and 20 seconds was just getting the GUI open on my desktop at work.
With both bonuses selected - 6226.74dps with just Naxx Melee 4 selected - 6201.84dps If you are going to state something like that then at least confirm that it works the way you say it does. Even if it says it works that way in the config file, take the time to at least do a minimal confirmation. |
else if (name == "naxx_melee_2" || name == "60168") {
enhsims_[i]->lightning_shield_->damage_multiplier_ *= 1.10f;
}
else if (name == "naxx_melee_4" || name == "60169") {
enhsims_[i]->lightning_shield_->damage_multiplier_ *= 1.10f;
enhsims_[i]->flurry_->haste_ += 0.05f;
}
This seems like a bug to me, either the bonuses should be separate or you shouldn't be allowed to specify both.
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I don't code or even understand even the basics of writing code, so why would I open the file to look at the code. My attempting to debug the code by reading the file in this situation would be on par with one of you telling me what I was doing wrong during a Root Canal.
I don't care if I was wrong about needing to include both bonuses or not, making a statement without checking to see if it makes a difference in the results is what bothers me. Especially if you are dealing with someone showing obviously bugged results.
Edit - Tukez if you are going to make it possible to select bonuses such that a bonus is going to be added twice then we are going to be having issues with people screwing it up until 3.2 comes out. Just make it one bonus per selection since that will alleviate many of the potential issues with people selecting the wrong things.
I don't care if I was wrong about needing to include both bonuses or not, making a statement without checking to see if it makes a difference in the results is what bothers me. Especially if you are dealing with someone showing obviously bugged results.
Edit - Tukez if you are going to make it possible to select bonuses such that a bonus is going to be added twice then we are going to be having issues with people screwing it up until 3.2 comes out. Just make it one bonus per selection since that will alleviate many of the potential issues with people selecting the wrong things.
Last edited by Rouncer : 04/14/09 at 10:00 AM.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I don't code or even understand even the basics of writing code, so why would I open the file to look at the code. My attempting to debug the code by reading the file in this situation would be on par with one of you telling me what I was doing wrong during a Root Canal.
I don't care if I was wrong about needing to include both bonuses or not, making a statement without checking to see if it makes a difference in the results is what bothers me. Especially if you are dealing with someone showing obviously bugged results. Edit - Tukez if you are going to make it possible to select bonuses such that a bonus is going to be added twice then we are going to be having issues with people screwing it up until 3.2 comes out. Just make it one bonus per selection since that will alleviate many of the potential issues with people selecting the wrong things. |
I think the issue really is not that Tukez deliberately allowed ambiguity but that this discourse has uncovered a flaw in how the sim config is working.I know myself that now I embark (hopefully with the help of others) in cleaning up Rawr.Enhance to get the figures stable and in line with the more accurate results from the sim, that I will encounter many such issues. I also know that I didn't deliberately put them there just to annoy people.
During this patch period where both EnhSim & Rawr are going through multiple iterations as we route out all the new bugs we introduced in changing the code, user patience would be appreciated. Its going to take a fair bit of in game testing to confirm that EnhSim has settled down and is once again accurately reflecting in game behaviour. I'd also hope that in the next few weeks I can get Rawr.Enhance honed in on the same ballpark figures.
I know that at present the two differ by a fair old margin. I've yet to determine why. If others can assist working that out it would be very very much appreciated. What I really need is people playing with Rawr & export to EnhSim and checking the differences. Its entirely possible its a few simple fixes to make them agree, it may be its only one or two abilities where the dps varies. However since both are capable of giving out lots of info on exact dps contibutions it should be possible to work out why they differ.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Ah so you are in dentistry?? No wonder you like inflicting pain
 I think the issue really is not that Tukez deliberately allowed ambiguity but that this discourse has uncovered a flaw in how the sim config is working. |
Always easier to just work off the assumption that people are stupid and if there is a way to screw things up they will find it and then try to make the Simulator "bullet-proof" against that assumption.
People rarely read directions and if something is working they just keep doing what they did to make it work the first time.
Changing the set bonuses to only be the one selected should avoid one such trap and it seems like it would be easier to have the Sim throw an error code to the little screen and to the run itself if someone was to have a 4 piece bonus selected without the 2 piece bonus also being selected then to try and avoid people using the same bonus multiple times.
Tukez would it be possible to visually indicate in EnhSimGUI when data has changed after being loaded. I was thinking of the usual asterix on the title bar to indicate that the current data set visible had not been saved.
Similarly could we have a bit of feedback when the sim has imported the config data, a warning box perhaps (made optional for those that don't want it) or a beep, or something to say yup I've finished importing. When making really minor changes to test stuff and importing it can be tricky to know if you did actually click import as there is currently no feedback that it did anything unless you notice what changed.
Similarly could we have a bit of feedback when the sim has imported the config data, a warning box perhaps (made optional for those that don't want it) or a beep, or something to say yup I've finished importing. When making really minor changes to test stuff and importing it can be tricky to know if you did actually click import as there is currently no feedback that it did anything unless you notice what changed.
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I'm getting an unhandled exception error whenever I try to calculate EP values with a flask selected.
The error pops up right after the baseline DPS is calculated, and at some point during the AP calculation. The error gives what I assume is a line number, but it varies pretty wildly. Really sorry I can't give anything more helpful, my computer keeps asking if I want to debug instead of just giving me the error report, and I can't seem fix that.
Everything works fine if I choose no flask, so I've been doing that in the meantime. Is anyone else getting this error? I didn't submit a bug report on the enhsim page because I have no error report. Hope someone else can help.
Here is my config file:
And here is the output, such as it is:
Nothing else gets printed after that. Note, I set the run time low deliberately since I wasn't getting anything useful anyway.
Edit: Version: EnhSim1.6.8 - woops, meant to include this with my original post.
The error pops up right after the baseline DPS is calculated, and at some point during the AP calculation. The error gives what I assume is a line number, but it varies pretty wildly. Really sorry I can't give anything more helpful, my computer keeps asking if I want to debug instead of just giving me the error report, and I can't seem fix that.
Everything works fine if I choose no flask, so I've been doing that in the meantime. Is anyone else getting this error? I didn't submit a bug report on the enhsim page because I have no error report. Hope someone else can help.
Here is my config file:
simulation_time 500 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 250 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 300 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 4 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 34.19 oh_crit 34.19 mh_hit 12.11 oh_hit 12.11 mh_expertise_rating 138 oh_expertise_rating 138 ap 3777 melee_haste 3.69 armor_penetration 5.52 str 133 agi 822 int 449 spi 156 spellpower 1133 spell_crit 28.30 spell_hit 15.13 spell_haste 2.84 max_mana 10851 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 grim_toll totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 3/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.27364% (59.6421 hit rating). Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.83441 expertise (31.4325 expertise rating). Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.83441 expertise (31.4325 expertise rating). Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped.
Edit: Version: EnhSim1.6.8 - woops, meant to include this with my original post.
Last edited by Nevets_69 : 04/14/09 at 1:45 PM. Reason: Added version number
The one thing you could do that would be helpful is tell us which version it was.
Tukez - suggestion the first line of the output file should output the version number to aid debugging.
Tukez - suggestion the first line of the output file should output the version number to aid debugging.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
It just took me 30 seconds to prove to myself that you need to include both set bonuses and 20 seconds was just getting the GUI open on my desktop at work.
With both bonuses selected - 6226.74dps with just Naxx Melee 4 selected - 6201.84dps If you are going to state something like that then at least confirm that it works the way you say it does. Even if it says it works that way in the config file, take the time to at least do a minimal confirmation. Hozzer the issue is a bug with the Simulator. For whatever reason if you input a 10% uptime for Unleashed Rage it drops your dps incredibly. If you use the default 99.7% or even just have it unselected and have the talents in place in your talent panel it works fine. It's definitely a bug though since unclicking the option and not having the talents still had my dps at 5753 whereas selecting for a 10% uptime took it to 2896. |
Tukez in the output.txt file there is the first section that gives dps breakdowns of everything used - apart from Searing/Magma totem. Is this just an oversight? Could you add it please? It would help me enormously in tracking down differences in Rawr.Enhance vs Enhsim figures.
Hiya, first time poster here, but long time reader. I've just downloaded the newest version of Enhsim, v1.6.8, to play around with the new glyphs. I seem to be getting low dps numbers. My white, WF, and SS dps are all very low, aswell as my overall. I've looked over my settings a million times and I just can't seem to pin point what I am overlooking. I know its gunna be something stupid and I'm going to facepalm. Thanks a ton for the second set of eyes =)
The config:
Output file:
The config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 3 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 LL miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.42 oh_crit 32.42 mh_hit 10.55 oh_hit 10.55 mh_expertise_rating 144.00 oh_expertise_rating 144.00 ap 3939 melee_haste 3.81 armor_penetration 5.52 str 129 agi 965 int 468 spi 153 spellpower 1181 spell_crit 22.93 spell_hit 13.19 spell_haste 2.93 max_mana 11136 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 2/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
MH:
miss 2316635 9.44%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 5874698 23.94%
hit 4479382 18.26%
crit 11864581 48.36%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.08%
procs/swings 13.86%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 3861948 48.71%
crit 4066986 51.29%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1987796 48.77%
crit 2088050 51.23%
OH:
miss 2406456 9.44%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6109336 23.96%
hit 4652977 18.24%
crit 12334376 48.36%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 17974972 56.02%
crit 14112641 43.98%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1987431 48.76%
crit 2088415 51.24%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3118005 56.01%
crit 2448521 43.99%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2392704 48.68%
crit 2522374 51.32%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2884308 55.99%
crit 2267020 44.01%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4497784 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 46.95
flurry uptime 89.75%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 80.48%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.42%
oh enchant uptime 36.73%
trinket1 uptime 0.00%
trinket2 uptime 32.44%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 17.63 12.31%
replenishment 33.25 23.21%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.80 6.14%
shamanistic rage 83.59 58.34%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 9.24 0.29% 83.40
windfury 3.65 0.11% 6.61
flametongue 567.45 17.58% 53.48
stormstrike 1.74 0.05% 6.79 37.43 19.04%
lava lash 223.00 6.91% 8.19 16.24 8.27%
magma totem 542.94 16.82% 2.96 55.01 27.99%
earth shock 667.63 20.69% 9.28 36.93 18.79%
lightning bolt 908.97 28.16% 8.59 50.92 25.91%
lightning shield 302.94 9.39% 0.83 0.00 0.00%
DPS 3227.56
MPS 196.54
MP2min 23584.29
MRPS 206.52
Out of mana time 0.13%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 31.75s
simulation speed: 1133858x
Edited onundefined
I'm also seeing some odd results with 1.6.8, with a dps that lands about 2500. I tried migrating my 1.5.9 config to the new sim, and input dummy haste values just to have something to fiddle with. Fixed bloodlust casters to 1, fixed the buffs to percentage based armor debuffs and what have you. My config is here, can't see if there's anything that's screwed up. The dps number looks ridiculous, but I have no idea if it's a bug with the sim or a bug with me. Never had problems getting enhsim running before, so any input would be appreciated.
Edit: Doh, had overseen the 5/3 unleashed rage. That took care of the problem.
Edit: Doh, had overseen the 5/3 unleashed rage. That took care of the problem.
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 50 max_lag 100 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.4 mh_crit 33.33 oh_crit 33.33 mh_hit 11.22 oh_hit 11.22 mh_expertise_rating 145.00 oh_expertise_rating 145.00 ap 3805 melee_haste 5.0 armor_penetration 4.42 str 135 agi 892 int 461 spi 155 spellpower 1141 spell_crit 24.67 spell_hit 14.03 spell_haste 5.0 max_mana 11031 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 loathebs_shadow trinket2 grim_toll totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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MH:
miss 232714 9.78%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 571068 24.00%
hit 444578 18.68%
crit 1131198 47.54%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.26%
procs/swings 13.99%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 384759 49.44%
crit 393453 50.56%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 199658 49.60%
crit 202865 50.40%
OH:
miss 242761 9.80%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 594512 24.00%
hit 464531 18.75%
crit 1175286 47.45%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1851109 59.34%
crit 1268393 40.66%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 199805 49.64%
crit 202718 50.36%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 313081 59.22%
crit 215609 40.78%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 239334 49.59%
crit 243316 50.41%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 295626 59.13%
crit 204334 40.87%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 436188 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 97868 6.48%
glancing 362472 24.01%
hit 875662 58.00%
crit 173716 11.51%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 45.61
flurry uptime 89.27%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 76.03%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.09%
oh enchant uptime 37.08%
trinket1 uptime 16.67%
trinket2 uptime 20.58%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 466.24 18.65% 80.94
windfury 256.81 10.27% 6.49
flametongue 281.08 11.24% 51.99
stormstrike 89.65 3.59% 6.71 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 53.62 2.14% 8.04 22.16 11.30%
magma totem 376.40 15.06% 2.86 53.22 27.13%
earth shock 355.94 14.24% 8.81 56.94 29.03%
lightning bolt 400.22 16.01% 8.33 61.05 31.13%
lightning shield 131.12 5.25% 0.81 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 88.76 3.55% 0.33 2.75 1.40%
DPS 2499.83
MPS 196.12
MP2min 23534.70
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 1.33s
simulation speed: 2710843x
Last edited by Bellante : 04/15/09 at 6:18 AM.
This is the only thing I can spot in your config that looks wrong.
unleashed_rage 5/3
Edited onundefined
I'm having the same issue. Used the sim without a problem before this, just upgraded to 1.6.8 from 1.5.9, made sure the right executable was being used. enhSim errors out when i use flask of endless rage, when i take that out it works but sims me doing around ~2900 dps when it should be more like 5800. I neeeed the sim to work so I can figure out what to replace my expertise gems with (AP? Agi? Haste? Crit?)!!
EDITED TO ADD: I deleted all my folders of EnhSim and reinstalled. Now after p utting all my stats back in, I get an unhandled exception error.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
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at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start()
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(ProcessStartInfo startInfo)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(String fileName, String arguments)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.button1_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
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mscorlib
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enhsimgui
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Win32 Version:
CodeBase: file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Seajewel/My%20Documents/Downloads/EnhSim1.6.8%20(1)/enhsimgui.exe
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msvcm90
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System
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CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
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System.Drawing
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application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
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</configuration>
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EDITED TO ADD: I deleted all my folders of EnhSim and reinstalled. Now after p utting all my stats back in, I get an unhandled exception error.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.ComponentModel.Win32Exception: The system cannot find the file specified
at System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEx(ProcessStartInfo startInfo)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start()
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(ProcessStartInfo startInfo)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(String fileName, String arguments)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.button1_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
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enhsimgui
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Last edited by Sansa : 04/15/09 at 4:35 AM.
I had the whitehit dmg issue too. (was showing about 2500 dps)
I simply loaded the new config file and retyped the values and it worked again.
I simply loaded the new config file and retyped the values and it worked again.
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5
Thank you pitbuller. That did the trick =) Don't know how it got that way, I dont touch those values. *shrug* Now, onto glyph testing! ^_^
After upgrading to the new version i god very odd DPS as well.. The armor defuff values are changed to percentages.
What is weird is that the LOWER i set my AP the more dmg i get. 4500 AP = 1100 DPS, 1300 AP = 1900 DPS.. (both much lower than what i do on a bossfight (4-5k).
What is weird is that the LOWER i set my AP the more dmg i get. 4500 AP = 1100 DPS, 1300 AP = 1900 DPS.. (both much lower than what i do on a bossfight (4-5k).
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1500 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 4 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 143.6 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 26.56 oh_crit 26.56 mh_hit 11.31 oh_hit 11.31 mh_expertise_rating 138 oh_expertise_rating 138 ap 4168 melee_haste 7.86 armor_penetration 2.01 str 339 agi 933 int 628 spi 204 spellpower 1657 spell_crit 20.88 spell_hit 14.31 spell_haste 14.31 max_mana 13500 mp5 251 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant mongoose oh_enchant - mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 bandits_insignia trinket2 grim_toll totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 water_mastery glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
I think your problem, Aerobyte, is that you are simulating mana and do not have any mana refreshing buffs active like replenishment, mana spring totem etc. So the Sim calculates a large percentage where you are OOM. Also you haven't activated many buffs.
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Originally Posted by Kalmorion
I think your problem, Aerobyte, is that you are simulating mana and do not have any mana refreshing buffs active like replenishment, mana spring totem etc. So the Sim calculates a large percentage where you are OOM. Also you haven't activated many buffs.
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Also tried to calculated my EP in the new version. It went all nuts. The EP ranged from -500 to +2000 for some of the stats.
Also you have
in your Config.
Try changing it to 5/5 or 3/3. I still run with 5/5 and get proper results.
unleashed_rage 5/3
Try changing it to 5/5 or 3/3. I still run with 5/5 and get proper results.
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Originally Posted by Kalmorion
Also you have
unleashed_rage 5/3 Try changing it to 5/5 or 3/3. I still run with 5/5 and get proper results. |
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Originally Posted by Kalmorion
Also you have
unleashed_rage 5/3 Try changing it to 5/5 or 3/3. I still run with 5/5 and get proper results. |
So I haven't simmed for EP in a bit and I just did last night on account of the patch, and I got values over 2.0 for both haste and crit. Anyone else having this happen? I may have messed something up in my new config, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.
My other values all seem relatively normal, other people getting this?
My other values all seem relatively normal, other people getting this?
simulation_time 15000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 6 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 MT miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 33.22 oh_crit 33.22 mh_hit 10.67 oh_hit 10.67 mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 ap 3953 melee_haste 2.58 armor_penetration 7.79 str 137 agi 963 int 504 spi 161 spellpower 1185 spell_crit 23.97 spell_hit 13.34 spell_haste 1.97 max_mana 117000 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 1/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.48364% (38.9189 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5719.85 ap 1.00 0.54 5827.09 107.24 crit rating 2.05 1.10 5752.75 32.90 hit rating 1.79 0.96 5748.69 28.85 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5719.85 haste rating 2.57 1.38 5761.24 41.40 armor penetration rating 1.78 0.96 5748.51 28.66 spellpower 1.13 0.61 5810.80 90.95 mh dps 5.58 2.99 5742.27 22.42 oh dps 2.55 1.37 5730.10 10.25 strength 1.10 agility 1.79 intelligence* 1.51 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5719.85 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5719.85 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5719.85 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=2.05, HitRating=1.79, HasteRating=2.57, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.78, SpellDamage=1.13, MainHandDps=5.58, OffHandDps=2.55, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.79, Intellect=1.51, Spirit=0.00, Mana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=2.57&dps=5.58&mp5=0.00&mcr=2.05&odps=2.55&spd=1.13&Agi=1.79&mhit=1.79&Int=1.51&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.78&Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 150000.00h elapsed real time: 222.41s simulation speed: 2427992x
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Originally Posted by Cochice
So I haven't simmed for EP in a bit and I just did last night on account of the patch, and I got values over 2.0 for both haste and crit. Anyone else having this happen? I may have messed something up in my new config, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.
My other values all seem relatively normal, other people getting this? |
I was noticing on my config when i imported it from RAWR that it would only usually attribute the naxx_melee_4 set bonus, not the naxx_melee_2 bonus... I would assume you need both selected for accurate results right?
Just tossing that up there because i noticed your config says the same thing Cochice.
I could be mistaken and just be messing up my config by putting both in there though, i don't know heh, but when i simmed it out my agi, hit, haste, and crit are all almost identical (between 1.64 and 1.69) with ArPen at about 1.32. was interesting to see them so closely balanced.
I did my sim kind of haphazardly, just took my stats, and then pulled out expertise gems until i was back down to the cap, then simmed with the empty sockets to see what should go in them, ended up using AP gems.
Just tossing that up there because i noticed your config says the same thing Cochice.
I could be mistaken and just be messing up my config by putting both in there though, i don't know heh, but when i simmed it out my agi, hit, haste, and crit are all almost identical (between 1.64 and 1.69) with ArPen at about 1.32. was interesting to see them so closely balanced.
I did my sim kind of haphazardly, just took my stats, and then pulled out expertise gems until i was back down to the cap, then simmed with the empty sockets to see what should go in them, ended up using AP gems.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Looks fine to me, although you did forget to turn on the Feral Spirits in the priority list which would decrease the value of crit since they don't get any crit rating from us.
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[e] Just playing around with wolves, and they're consistently resulting in a ~20 dps loss. No time to wait for EP atm, since I'm already late for class.
Last edited by Cochice : 04/15/09 at 12:19 PM.
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Originally Posted by Cochice
Oh good call, I forgot they were active in this version.
[e] Just playing around with wolves, and they're consistently resulting in a ~20 dps loss. No time to wait for EP atm, since I'm already late for class. |
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Originally Posted by Quaunaut
Are you simulating mana? Even with them as cheap as they are, it could be that.
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Edit: I'm retarded. FS != Feral Spirts huuur
Last edited by Cochice : 04/15/09 at 12:37 PM.
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Sorry to say but I've got same "unhandled exception error" as Sansa has. Nothing has been changed, unpacked 1.6.8 version to clean folder and now it doesn't work.
Edition: Rounced's keen eye and sleek moves solved my trouble. Sincerely grateful.
Edition: Rounced's keen eye and sleek moves solved my trouble. Sincerely grateful.
Last edited by Eastman : 04/15/09 at 1:33 PM.
I've deleted old versions of EnhSim, reinstalled enhsim, reinstalled the windows .net framework and the c++ package. Still getting the unhandled exception error.. =/
Are you using the GUI and if so have you directed it to the enhsim.exe in your new 1.6.8 folder?
Just tested it by setting the path to my old folder and then closing the GUI and then deleting the old folder. When I restarted the GUI the path was still set to my old folder and when I clicked simulate I got the same error you are all talking about.
Just click the little box in the lower right corner and make sure it is pointing to the exe file in your new folder.
Just tested it by setting the path to my old folder and then closing the GUI and then deleting the old folder. When I restarted the GUI the path was still set to my old folder and when I clicked simulate I got the same error you are all talking about.
Just click the little box in the lower right corner and make sure it is pointing to the exe file in your new folder.
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Originally Posted by Cochice
So I haven't simmed for EP in a bit and I just did last night on account of the patch, and I got values over 2.0 for both haste and crit. Anyone else having this happen? I may have messed something up in my new config, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.
My other values all seem relatively normal, other people getting this?  mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.48364% (38.9189 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. |
214 is the 'hard cap' but if you have 3/3 UR then your 'gear cap' is lower. His sim results only state that he's going over the cap because of the EP step range.
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Originally Posted by Malan
214 is the 'hard cap' but if you have 3/3 UR then your 'gear cap' is lower. His sim results only state that he's going over the cap because of the EP step range.
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Originally Posted by Hatar
Thank you. Assuming 1 Exp = 8.1975, then the gear cap would be 214-(9*8.1975)=140 correct? Odd that UR doesn't show in our stats since it isn't a proc.
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I haven't regemmed yet so my expertise is currently above the dodge cap in the numbers below.
30 expertise showing on Character sheet
Mouse over shows a tool tip stating I have 180 rating, 7.5% reduced chance of dodge and parry, and 30 (21) expertise.
I haven't changed any gear since before the patch so I know that my old expertise value was 21. So the 30 (21) number in the tooltip shows the total expertise and the (gear based expertise).
Edited for clarity.
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Originally Posted by Cochice
No I'm not simming mana, my config is a few posts up.
Edit: I'm retarded. FS != Feral Spirts huuur |
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Originally Posted by Rounced
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Been a while since I last saw that Vid, still makes me laugh. (sorry off topic).
To many skills with S and F as the possible abbreviation. I think the sim considers FS as Flame Shock.
Yes yes yes, it's Flame Shock. I haven't simmed with it in my priority list in...a long time, and I was thinking Feral Spirits. Hence the "I'm retarded"
*edit* Horac said exactly what I was going to say, just faster. =(
I think haste being over 2.0 is a real effect. I believe it is the best gemmable stat once you are hit and expertise capped, until you stack enough to plateau again.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5882.99 ap 1.00 0.56 5995.80 112.80 crit rating 2.16 1.22 5919.58 36.59 hit rating 1.54 0.87 5909.00 26.01 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5882.99 haste rating 2.02 1.14 5917.25 34.25 armor penetration rating 1.40 0.79 5906.76 23.77 spellpower 1.10 0.62 5975.84 92.84 mh dps 5.93 3.34 5908.07 25.08 oh dps 2.98 1.68 5895.61 12.62 strength 1.10 agility 1.83 intelligence* 1.50 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5882.99 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5882.99 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5882.99
Haste over 2.0 EP seems to depend on your gear. I am over exp/hit cap and my EP value for haste is under 2.0 (1.8x I think). However I am getting higher than 2.00 for crit. (Simming with all gems being AP vs all gems being crit nets me more DPS via all AP though)
So I have 3 points to distribute and I can't decide between maxing out ancestral knowledge or 3 in improved shields. I've tried simming it, but it's difficult to sim the 6% loss in int because I'm not sure how much AP, crit, spellpower, etc. that I'd lose. Also, is it better to use WF Glyph or LS Glyph, depending on if I take 3 in improved shields or 3 more in ancestral knowledge?
Thank you for the help.
[edit] I forgot to mention that EnhSim just stops every time I calculate the EP Values. It will get to 11/14 (after the MH and OH EP values are calculated) and then EnhSim will just stop. Anyone know why?
Thank you for the help.
[edit] I forgot to mention that EnhSim just stops every time I calculate the EP Values. It will get to 11/14 (after the MH and OH EP values are calculated) and then EnhSim will just stop. Anyone know why?
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Are you using the GUI and if so have you directed it to the enhsim.exe in your new 1.6.8 folder?
Just tested it by setting the path to my old folder and then closing the GUI and then deleting the old folder. When I restarted the GUI the path was still set to my old folder and when I clicked simulate I got the same error you are all talking about. Just click the little box in the lower right corner and make sure it is pointing to the exe file in your new folder. |
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Originally Posted by Kaaji1359
So I have 3 points to distribute and I can't decide between maxing out ancestral knowledge or 3 in improved shields. I've tried simming it, but it's difficult to sim the 6% loss in int because I'm not sure how much AP, crit, spellpower, etc. that I'd lose. Also, is it better to use WF Glyph or LS Glyph, depending on if I take 3 in improved shields or 3 more in ancestral knowledge?
Thank you for the help. [edit] I forgot to mention that EnhSim just stops every time I calculate the EP Values. It will get to 11/14 (after the MH and OH EP values are calculated) and then EnhSim will just stop. Anyone know why? |
To answer you original question, though, to sim more points Ancestral Knowledge, you may want to consider using chardev.org to replicate your gear and spec. It will calculate the AP, spell crit, and spellpower effects for you. Then you can copy the computed stats into EnhSim.
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can i get some help please, i'm really weirded out on why spellpower is so high (2.6) in my results?
edit: my dps is seriously low as well. i'm usually doing around 6k.
edit2: did some more tests and white dmg came out as 11% of my dmg and wf as 4% in a combatlog test.
my config. i set expertise to -4 as it was over the cap and i wanted some comparative numbers out of it.
the only thing i could think of as wrong would be the SW in my rotation, which i thought was the spirit wolves.
thanks in beforehand.
edit: my dps is seriously low as well. i'm usually doing around 6k.
edit2: did some more tests and white dmg came out as 11% of my dmg and wf as 4% in a combatlog test.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2994.50 ap 1.00 0.24 3009.93 15.43 crit rating 2.02 0.49 3016.93 22.43 hit rating 1.65 0.40 3006.42 11.92 expertise rating -1.91 -0.46 2979.41 -15.10 haste rating 1.61 0.39 3007.35 12.85 armor penetration rating 0.17 0.04 2995.12 0.62 spellpower 2.60 0.63 3012.03 17.53 mh dps 0.14 0.03 2994.85 0.35 oh dps 1.35 0.32 2997.75 3.24 strength 1.10 agility 1.30 intelligence 1.89 spirit 0.01 0.00 2994.72 0.22 mana 0.01 0.00 2994.88 0.38 mp5 0.19 0.05 2995.41 0.91
simulation_time 100000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 6 min_lag 100 max_lag 300 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise -4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 SW rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 33.07 oh_crit 33.07 mh_hit 11.31 oh_hit 11.31 mh_expertise_rating 146.00 oh_expertise_rating 146.00 ap 3793 melee_haste 7.22 armor_penetration 5.52 str 131 agi 858 int 533 spi 154 spellpower 1137 spell_crit 25.26 spell_hit 14.14 spell_haste 7.22 max_mana 12111 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant hyperspeed_accelerators cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 2/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
thanks in beforehand.
Last edited by fruust : 04/15/09 at 6:49 PM.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Haste over 2.0 EP seems to depend on your gear. I am over exp/hit cap and my EP value for haste is under 2.0 (1.8x I think). However I am getting higher than 2.00 for crit. (Simming with all gems being AP vs all gems being crit nets me more DPS via all AP though)
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Expertise is broken for EP calculations.
Set it to 0 with an EP value of 4 and it still reported that expertise was past the cap and skipped the test. The issue is with the expertise on Unleashed Rage. |
Yeah, everything is way off because Melee attacks are not working at all right now. Check out your combatlog output and see the 8-9 dps from white, 3-4 dps from windfury etc.
e. See the Wikidot for information about it.
e. See the Wikidot for information about it.
The default range for expertise EP calculation is 4, so the SIM adds 4 (not rating) to your current Expertise. With this 4 more Expertise you are over the cap, which produces the error. If you want ExpertiseEP calculated then you have to enter a negative value at the EP range part of your config.
Weird melee damage is probably because of this:
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
should be 20/20 and 5/5
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
should be 20/20 and 5/5
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Originally Posted by Klejj
Weird melee damage is probably because of this:
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 should be 20/20 and 5/5 |
i other words it fixed the problem.
Looking for help.
Just loaded Enhsim for first time, and worked through inputing values throught the EnhsimGui
When I run the simulator, however, it only give me dps for the white attacks.
Despite putting in my rotation (ticked boxes for the one's I want, and moved them to run from the top down), I am getting no yellow attacks on the Sim.
What am I doing wrong?
tz.
Just loaded Enhsim for first time, and worked through inputing values throught the EnhsimGui
When I run the simulator, however, it only give me dps for the white attacks.
Despite putting in my rotation (ticked boxes for the one's I want, and moved them to run from the top down), I am getting no yellow attacks on the Sim.
What am I doing wrong?
tz.
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Originally Posted by csarichmond
Looking for help.
Just loaded Enhsim for first time, and worked through inputing values throught the EnhsimGui When I run the simulator, however, it only give me dps for the white attacks. Despite putting in my rotation (ticked boxes for the one's I want, and moved them to run from the top down), I am getting no yellow attacks on the Sim. What am I doing wrong? tz. |
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Originally Posted by csarichmond
Looking for help.
Just loaded Enhsim for first time, and worked through inputing values throught the EnhsimGui When I run the simulator, however, it only give me dps for the white attacks. Despite putting in my rotation (ticked boxes for the one's I want, and moved them to run from the top down), I am getting no yellow attacks on the Sim. What am I doing wrong? tz. |
SW
MW5_LB
ES_SS
SS
ES
MT
LS
LL
which to me gives max dps. Rinse and repeat.
I'm getting some weird values, simmed my ep values to see what to get on those expertise gems I dont need anymore and haste is getting the highest value, then I simmed with haste, crit and ap gems to test the dps. AP gems is winning on the dps on all the sims I did, I dont understand.
This are the EP values I'm getting w/o the expertise gems I dont need anymore, as you can see haste is getting the hightest ep value.
And this are the config files I'm using for AP, CRIT and HASTE gems with it's corresponding simmed dps.
AP (6223 dps):
CRIT (6213 dps):
HASTE (6204 dps):
I'm sure there's something wrong there but I dont realize what is it, anyone realize what is it?
PS: sorry for my poor english, not my main language ;p
This are the EP values I'm getting w/o the expertise gems I dont need anymore, as you can see haste is getting the hightest ep value.
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6126.04 ap 1.00 0.60 6246.07 120.04 crit rating 1.85 1.11 6159.42 33.38 hit rating 1.64 0.98 6155.53 29.49 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6126.04 haste rating 1.96 1.18 6161.34 35.30 armor penetration rating 1.44 0.86 6151.91 25.87 spellpower 0.98 0.59 6214.43 88.39 mh dps 5.34 3.20 6150.07 24.03 oh dps 2.44 1.46 6137.00 10.96 strength 1.10 agility 1.73 intelligence 1.60 spirit -0.02 -0.01 6124.60 -1.43 mana 0.01 0.00 6126.98 0.95 mp5 -0.11 -0.07 6124.71 -1.32
And this are the config files I'm using for AP, CRIT and HASTE gems with it's corresponding simmed dps.
AP (6223 dps):
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food mega_mammoth_meal ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.85 oh_crit 30.85 mh_hit 17.43 oh_hit 17.43 mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 ap 3984 melee_haste 4 armor_penetration 4 str 225 agi 847 int 553 spi 155 spellpower 1195 spell_crit 23.28 spell_hit 14.29 spell_haste 4.6 max_mana 12411 mp5 101 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
CRIT (6213 dps):
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food mega_mammoth_meal ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.59 oh_crit 32.59 mh_hit 17.43 oh_hit 17.43 mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 ap 3824 melee_haste 4 armor_penetration 4 str 225 agi 847 int 553 spi 155 spellpower 1147 spell_crit 25.02 spell_hit 14.29 spell_haste 4.6 max_mana 12411 mp5 101 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 lightning_shield glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
HASTE (6204 dps):
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food mega_mammoth_meal ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.85 oh_crit 30.85 mh_hit 17.43 oh_hit 17.43 mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 ap 3824 melee_haste 7 armor_penetration 4 str 225 agi 847 int 553 spi 155 spellpower 1147 spell_crit 23.28 spell_hit 14.29 spell_haste 7.04 max_mana 12411 mp5 101 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 feral_spirit glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
I'm sure there's something wrong there but I dont realize what is it, anyone realize what is it?
PS: sorry for my poor english, not my main language ;p
Try running the Sim for more than 1000 hours of combat time. The longer you run the simulation the less effect RNG will have on the outcome. 6000-12000 hours is pretty standard I think.
Calculate EP Values
Calculating EP Values takes excessively long for me, sometimes up to 30 minutes. Is this normal? Also is there a way to turn down the amount of hours simulated when calculating EP values? My apologies if this has been covered.
EP number crunching is very dependent on your computer system so if you're running on an older computer there's not much you can do about it. Make sure you have the multithreading option turned on though, single threaded simulation is extremely slow.
Photek: You're not doing anything wrong, just interpreting the results wrong. If AP=1 and Haste Rating=1.96, it means one gem with AP gives 32 EP and one gem with haste gives 31.36 EP. AP gems should yield a higher dps.
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Originally Posted by MatsT
Photek: You're not doing anything wrong, just interpreting the results wrong. If AP=1 and Haste Rating=1.96, it means one gem with AP gives 32 EP and one gem with haste gives 31.36 EP. AP gems should yield a higher dps.
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Oookay, I get it, that clarify all, thank you very much both of you 
in the config file, does Naxx_Melee_4 set bonus include both the +10% lightning shield and +5% flurry haste, or just the haste? i keep seeing people's config files up here with just the naxx_melee_4 listed and not naxx_melee_2
Stupid question, but the result for searching "elemental" got me lost.
Is it possible to simulate dps of a pure elemental build?
If so, anything I should know?
Is it possible to simulate dps of a pure elemental build?
If so, anything I should know?
EnhSim as in Enhancement Shaman simulator. You might be able to set the rotation for elemental, but I can't say what results you will get, as it's not meant to simulate Ele. You'd be better getting Rawr and using it for elementakl since they have a full Ele model.
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Originally Posted by Nefastilock
Stupid question, but the result for searching "elemental" got me lost.
Is it possible to simulate dps of a pure elemental build? If so, anything I should know? |
[Elemental] SEIC Spreadsheet - v3
Hey having a problem when switching glyphs around. Says the program encounters a problem and needs to close. I can run it fine with flametongue, stormstrike, and lightning shield but when attempting to switch lightning shield with another glyph i get the error. Using version 1.6.8 if you need the config i can throw that up here if I figure out how.
Are you sure (if you are using the GUI) that it is pointing to the correct .exe?
In order to post the config: save the config from the GUI (this will create a file with a given name)
Open that file and copy the contents
Make a post here and embed the copied text in tags.
In order to post the config: save the config from the GUI (this will create a file with a given name)
Open that file and copy the contents
Make a post here and embed the copied text in tags.
Yeah, I can run the sim fine with the glyphs I've exported over from shocknawe but whenever I try to change things up the problem occurs. Here's the config I'm using when trying to switch glyphs up
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.25 oh_crit 32.25 mh_hit 11.10 oh_hit 11.10 mh_expertise_rating 143.00 oh_expertise_rating 143.00 ap 3910 melee_haste ? armor_penetration 0.00 str 129 agi 775 int 481 spi 153 spellpower 1173 spell_crit 25.12 spell_hit 13.88 spell_haste 8.72 max_mana 11331 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 meteorite_whetstone totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus3 - metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_bolt glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 3/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by Lucentia
in the config file, does Naxx_Melee_4 set bonus include both the +10% lightning shield and +5% flurry haste, or just the haste? i keep seeing people's config files up here with just the naxx_melee_4 listed and not naxx_melee_2
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Ah figured it out where I went wrong... oh my ... time for bed ...
Ah figured it out where I went wrong... oh my ... time for bed ...
Last edited by Mindrila : 04/16/09 at 5:53 PM. Reason: Brainmode = on
Hit + Exp EP still high
I have a question regarding the Hit and Exp EP values with the simulator. I used EnhSim 1.6.8. My hit currently is 420 and my exp is 181 (31). Before I run the simulator, I manually lowered the hit and exp so that they don't go over cap and my hit EP is 2.7 and my Exp EP is 2.49. This is weird because I thought it suppose to get lower as we get closer to the cap.
Thanks,
Thanks,
Are you using a negative EP for either? Expertise should be effectively zero if you're capped. Sounds to me like you're simming the wrong configuration or you're not imputting Hit/Expertise correctly.
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Originally Posted by syzygylock
I have a question regarding the Hit and Exp EP values with the simulator. I used EnhSim 1.6.8. My hit currently is 420 and my exp is 181 (31). Before I run the simulator, I manually lowered the hit and exp so that they don't go over cap and my hit EP is 2.7 and my Exp EP is 2.49. This is weird because I thought it suppose to get lower as we get closer to the cap.
Thanks, |
That is why it is so important to use gems and enchants (and sometimes even gear swaps) to get your hit and exp as close as possible to those caps. Anything less than the cap and you are ignoring the large gains of an EP=~3 stat over the EP=~2 alternatives. Any more than the cap is a total waste of stat points in the case of Exp and a moderate waste of potential alternative EP=2 stat to a now weak hit EP.
| Yeah, I can run the sim fine with the glyphs I've exported over from shocknawe but whenever I try to change things up the problem occurs. Here's the config I'm using when trying to switch glyphs up |
Also note this:
melee_haste ?
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 3.74093% (98.1319 hit rating). Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6121.44 ap 1.00 0.57 6235.29 113.85 crit rating 1.97 1.12 6222.42 100.98 hit rating 1.72 0.98 6209.42 87.97 expertise rating -2.93 -1.67 6066.76 -54.68 haste rating 2.17 1.24 6195.58 74.14 armor penetration rating 1.48 0.84 6172.07 50.63 spellpower 1.04 0.59 6157.13 35.68 mh dps 5.23 2.97 6143.75 22.31 oh dps 2.35 1.34 6131.48 10.04 strength 1.10 agility 1.78 intelligence* 1.41 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6121.44 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6121.44 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6121.44 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.97, HitRating=1.72, HasteRating=2.17 , ExpertiseRating=-2.93, ArmorPenetration=1.48, SpellDamage=1.04, MainHandDps=5. 23, OffHandDps=2.35, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.78, Intellect=1.41, Spirit=0.00, M ana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=2.17&dps=5.23&mp5=0.00&mcr =1.97&odps=2.35&spd=1.04&Agi=1.78&mhit=1.72&Int=1.41&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.48& Exp=-2.93 elapsed simulation time: 33000.00h elapsed real time: 61.36s simulation speed: 1936177x
simulation_time 3000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 90 ep_hit_rating 90 ep_expertise -4 ep_haste_rating 60 ep_armor_penetration_rating 60 ep_spellpower 60 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.15 oh_crit 30.15 mh_hit 11.39 oh_hit 11.39 mh_expertise_rating 130 oh_expertise_rating 130 ap 3665 melee_haste 12.31 armor_penetration 0.00 str 139 agi 793 int 480 spi 162 spellpower 1399 spell_crit 23.01 spell_hit 14.31 spell_haste 12.31 max_mana 11316 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 grim_toll totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Thanks all.
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Originally Posted by Vesham
Are you using a negative EP for either? Expertise should be effectively zero if you're capped. Sounds to me like you're simming the wrong configuration or you're not imputting Hit/Expertise correctly.
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Here is my config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 150 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 ST rotation_priority7 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion runic_mana_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 25.86 oh_crit 25.86 mh_hit 12.87 oh_hit 12.87 mh_expertise_rating 181 oh_expertise_rating 181 ap 3214 melee_haste 4.32 armor_penetration 0 str 133 agi 803 int 435 spi 153 spellpower 964 spell_crit 18.11 spell_hit 15.85 spell_haste 4.32 max_mana 10641 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue windfury mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated. Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4335.32 ap 1.00 0.49 4433.53 98.20 crit rating 1.77 0.87 4361.38 26.06 hit rating 2.73 1.34 4375.50 40.17 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -4335.32 haste rating 1.85 0.91 4362.56 27.23 armor penetration rating 1.66 0.82 4359.84 24.52 spellpower 1.03 0.51 4411.11 75.78 mh dps 5.20 2.56 4354.49 19.17 oh dps 3.43 1.68 4347.96 12.63 strength 1.10 agility 1.78 intelligence 1.37 spirit 0.02 0.01 4336.85 1.52 mana -0.00 -0.00 4335.30 -0.02 mp5 0.16 0.08 4336.94 1.62 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.77, HitRating=2.73, HasteRating=1.85 , ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.66, SpellDamage=1.03, MainHandDps=5.2 0, OffHandDps=3.43, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.78, Intellect=1.37, Spirit=0.02, Ma na=-0.00, Mp5=0.16 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.85&dps=5.20&mp5=0.16&mcr =1.77&odps=3.43&spd=1.03&Agi=1.78&mhit=2.73&Int=1.37&Spi=0.02&map=1.00&arp=1.66& Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 130000.00h elapsed real time: 346.36s simulation speed: 1351179x
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Originally Posted by syzygylock
Now I used the exact stats that I have and Exp came out to be 0.0. But hit is still high. I thought that we only need to get hit to 14% or (367) according to the ThinkTank and I have 422. Did I mis-read and understand it differently? Or did the simulator thinks that I need to get to the real 27% for dual wield?
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spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0
Even if I use a negative value for expertise and it does not say that I am over the cap, I still get a negative weight for expertise.
EnhSim 1.6.8.
Configuration:
Result:
If the negative sign was removed from expertise I could see it being correct.
EnhSim 1.6.8.
Configuration:
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/4.0 //%, bloody frenzy, savage combat
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/5.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill, imp.shadow bolt
spell_damage_debuff 0.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of the elements
spellpower_buff 244/280 //flametongue totem, totem of wrath
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath, master poisoner
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
race tauren //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 156.6
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 34.31 //%
oh_crit 34.31
mh_hit 7.81 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 7.81
mh_expertise_rating 135 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 135
ap 3701 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
melee_haste 5.35 //%
armor_penetration 3.00 //%
str 133
agi 856
int 527
spi 153
spellpower 1384 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 26.48 //%
spell_hit 9.76 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
spell_haste 4.12 //%
max_mana 11316
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | flametongue_9 | frostbrand | - }
mh_enchant berserking
oh_enchant berserking
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | berserking | - }
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 loathebs_shadow
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | mark_of_norgannon | fezziks_pocketwatch |
// thorny_rose_brooch | rune_of_finite_variation | bandits_insignia |
// darkmoon_card_greatness | pendulum_of_telluric_currents |
// vestige_of_haldor | twilight_serpent | thunder_capacitor |
// tears_of_bitter_anguish | - }
totem totem_of_the_elemental_plane
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | totem_of_dueling | totem_of_the_elemental_plane |
// deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | hateful_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// savage_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | deadly_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// hateful_gladiators_totem_of_survival | savage_gladiators_totem_of_survival | - }
set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
//higher set bonuses include lower ones eg. naxx_melee_4 includes naxx_melee_2
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | worldbreaker_battlegear_2 | worldbreaker_battlegear_4 | - }
metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
gloves_enchant -
//{ hyperspeed_accelerators | hound_mounted_pyro_rocket }
cloak_enchant -
//{ lightweave_embroidery | swordguard_embroidery }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 lightning_shield
glyph_major3 windfury_weapon
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | feral_spirit | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 2/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 1/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 3/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4774.38 ap 1.00 0.46 4865.70 91.32 crit rating 2.20 1.00 4804.50 30.12 hit rating 3.93 1.79 4828.20 53.82 expertise rating -2.92 -1.33 4752.54 -21.84 haste rating 2.00 0.91 4801.76 27.38 armor penetration rating 1.45 0.66 4794.30 19.92 spellpower 1.05 0.48 4846.61 72.23 mh dps 5.58 2.55 4793.49 19.11 oh dps 3.06 1.40 4784.85 10.47 strength 1.10 agility 1.93 intelligence 1.63 spirit -0.00 -0.00 4774.33 -0.06 mana 0.01 0.01 4775.91 1.53 mp5 0.31 0.14 4777.17 2.79
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller
spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 |
I basically just use with ShockAndAwe output and ignore the warnings and it seems to give me the right values for hit. Please confirm that this is how it suppose to be.
Check your Buffs section. By what you posted, I noticed you have 0/3.0% on spell hit chance given by misery. That would throw the calculated Hit far below hit cap leading to your high DEP.
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> 116% Armor Pen only giving 66%!?!?!?!
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Okay, here is a farily technical explanation we put together for how armor pen works. We didn’t want Armor Penetration Rating to be too powerful against low armor targets, like it had been in BC. We also didn’t want Armor Penetration Rating to be too powerful against high armor targets. So, we decided on a system where there is a cap on how much armor the Armor Penetration Rating can be applied to. So, the first X armor on the target is reduced by the percentage listed in the Armor Penetration Rating tooltip, and all armor past that X is unaffected. Another way of understanding that is we multiply the percentage in the tooltip times the minimum of the two values: the cap, and the amount of armor on the target after all other modifiers. Computing the cap is a little tricky unless you are already familiar with how World of Warcraft armor works. There is an armor constant we’ll call C. C is derived as follows (in some pseudocode): If (level<60) C=400+85*targetlevel Else C=400+85*targetlevel+4.5*85*(targetlevel-59); For a level 80 target, C=15232.5. For a level 83, C=16635. The cap for Armor Penetration then is: (armor + C)/3. A level 80 warrior creature has 9729 armor. C=15232.5. So, the cap is (9729+15232.5)/3=8320.5. Let’s say a player has 30% armor penetration from armor penetration rating and no other modifiers that complicate the calculation (talents, Battle Stance, Sunder Armor, etc.). The game chooses the minimum of 8320.5 and 9729, so 8320.5. That is multiplied by 30% = 2496.15, and so that much armor is ignored. The effective armor on the target is 7232.85 (9729-2496.15). From a player point of view, the armor penetration rating didn’t ignore the full 30%, but instead ignored 25.66%. (85.5% as effective as expected). These equations should help you be able to test and verify that Armor Penetration Rating is working correctly and as we designed. The tooltip is not actually inaccurate, as it states: “Enemy armor reduced by up to 30.00%.” That "up to" is key. Please be sure to test without any other effects which modify the armor calculation (Battle Stance, Sunder Armor, Mace Specialization, etc.) as they may involve other systems that add additional complexity to the calculation. |
Good grief. Why didn't they just modify the rating values to reflect that.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Good grief. Why didn't they just modify the rating values to reflect that.
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Edited onundefined
Unusually high dps simmed
EDIT: Thanks wolflord!
Last edited by paladyin : 04/18/09 at 10:25 AM.
Melee and Spell haste are entered as percentages, not as ratings. Youve input 246% haste.
Found a bug with the Sim. It's not giving the 25% increased damage when the offhand is imbued with Flametongue (either that or it is giving it no matter what the offhand is imbued with).
This is what I see when I run EnhSim
config:
Whats wrong with set bonus/haste/enchants?
Set bonus not found. Set bonus not found. Set bonus not found. Enchant not found. Enchant not found. melee_haste not found from config. spell_haste not found from config. Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.09364% (28.6884 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped.
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 10000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 60 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 250 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 0 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SW = spirit wolves
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 MW5_LB
rotation_priority3 ES_SS
rotation_priority4 SS
rotation_priority5 ES
rotation_priority6 MT
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 LS
rotation_priority9 SR
##########
#BOSS#####
##########
miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 24.00 //%
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/4.0 //%, bloody frenzy, savage combat
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill, imp.shadow bolt
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of the elements
spellpower_buff 280/280 //flametongue totem, totem of wrath
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath, master poisoner
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
###############################
## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ##
###############################
race tauren
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.50
mh_dps 171.3
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 31.76
oh_crit 31.76
mh_hit 11.16
oh_hit 11.16
mh_expertise_rating 159.00
oh_expertise_rating 159.00
ap 3806
haste 5.39
armor_penetration 2.52
str 141
agi 812
int 462
spi 161
spellpower 1141
spell_crit 24.07
spell_hit 13.95
max_mana 11046
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant berserking
mh_weapon -
oh_enchant berserking
oh_weapon -
trinket1 mark_of_norgannon
trinket2 fury_of_the_five_flights
totem totem_of_dueling
set_bonus naxx_melee_4
metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 lightning_shield
glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon
glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
#############
## Talents ##
#############
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 0/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 3/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 2/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/2
lava_flows 0/1
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/3
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Originally Posted by Kalioshas
This is what I see when I run EnhSim
1 Whats wrong with set bonus/haste/enchants? |
Also, setbonus is now divided into setbonus1, setbonus2,setbonus3.
If you are unsure on how to properly configurate the new config you should download that file again and save a backup and go over the config and the backup line for line and see the difference.
Quick bug report:
If you try to sim any of the new glyphs and you don't have ES_SS in your rotation EnhSim will throw an error and close. (At least this is the only way I could get it (the bug) to stop and start.)
This config works:
And this one will not:
If you try to sim any of the new glyphs and you don't have ES_SS in your rotation EnhSim will throw an error and close. (At least this is the only way I could get it (the bug) to stop and start.)
This config works:
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 250 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 5 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 MW4_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4/4 melee_haste_buff 20/20 melee_crit_chance_buff 5/5 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/? spell_haste_buff 5/5 spell_crit_chance_buff 5/5 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5/5 spell_damage_debuff 13/13 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3/3 haste_buff 3/3 percentage_damage_increase 3/3 crit_chance_debuff 3/3 stat_multiplier 10/10 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 33.96 oh_crit 33.96 mh_hit 10.67 oh_hit 10.67 mh_expertise_rating 143.00 oh_expertise_rating 143.00 ap 3987 melee_haste 8.96 armor_penetration 3.00 str 131 agi 852 int 536 spi 155 spellpower 1153 spell_crit 26.23 spell_hit 13.34 spell_haste 8.96 max_mana 12156 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 - totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 150 max_lag 250 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 5 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 MW4_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4/4 melee_haste_buff 20/20 melee_crit_chance_buff 5/5 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/? spell_haste_buff 5/5 spell_crit_chance_buff 5/5 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5/5 spell_damage_debuff 13/13 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3/3 haste_buff 3/3 percentage_damage_increase 3/3 crit_chance_debuff 3/3 stat_multiplier 10/10 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 33.96 oh_crit 33.96 mh_hit 10.67 oh_hit 10.67 mh_expertise_rating 143.00 oh_expertise_rating 143.00 ap 3987 melee_haste 8.96 armor_penetration 3.00 str 131 agi 852 int 536 spi 155 spellpower 1153 spell_crit 26.23 spell_hit 13.34 spell_haste 8.96 max_mana 12156 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 - totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by Njald
You probably did what I did, exported from ShockAndAwe or you are using an old config. If you download latest enhsim and look at the config file and compared with what you posted you will note that melee_haste and spell_haste is now different stats in config and cloak and glove enchant are both added to the new config.
Also, setbonus is now divided into setbonus1, setbonus2,setbonus3. If you are unsure on how to properly configurate the new config you should download that file again and save a backup and go over the config and the backup line for line and see the difference. |
Using v1.6.8 I noted I had input melee crit of 28.79% and spell crit of 23.54%, I ran an output with 20k hours and was getting
ie: pretty much spot on what I was expecting to see. However for Windfury and Stormstrike I'm seeing in the same output.txt file...
ie: a crit rate that's 3%-3.5% higher than white crit rate. I'm struggling to think of anything that causes yellow crit rate to be 3%-3.5% higher than white crit rate. I am missing something or is this a bug?
Just in case the RNG was causing an issue I ran the sim for 200k hours (a bit longer than average) and got...
ie: pretty much identical results. Slightly narrow crit range though 2.75%-3.25%, Can anyone explain why WF & SS crits would average out over such a long time at 2.75-3.25% above entered melee crit rate.
config file was :
Edit: Lava Lash crits were similarly over inflated by 3%
MH: miss 3189446 7.82% dodge 0 0.00% glancing 9779619 23.99% hit 16043465 39.35% crit 11761125 28.84% OH: miss 3207964 7.87% dodge 0 0.00% glancing 9763460 23.95% hit 16050803 39.37% crit 11751428 28.82%
MH Windfury: procs/hits 16.82% procs/swings 15.72% miss 0 0.00% dodge 0 0.00% hit 10362004 67.98% crit 4880616 32.02% MH Storsmtrike: miss 0 0.00% dodge 0 0.00% hit 5285484 68.47% crit 2433985 31.53% OH Stormstrike: miss 0 0.00% dodge 0 0.00% hit 5271498 68.29% crit 2447971 31.71%
Just in case the RNG was causing an issue I ran the sim for 200k hours (a bit longer than average) and got...
MH: miss 31892714 7.82% dodge 0 0.00% glancing 97811302 23.99% hit 160409524 39.34% crit 117629549 28.85% MH Windfury: procs/hits 16.83% procs/swings 15.72% miss 0 0.00% dodge 0 0.00% hit 103628729 67.98% crit 48822409 32.02% MH Storsmtrike: miss 0 0.00% dodge 0 0.00% hit 52860278 68.48% crit 24330976 31.52% OH: miss 32088207 7.87% dodge 0 0.00% glancing 97604680 23.94% hit 160528093 39.37% crit 117522109 28.82% OH Stormstrike: miss 0 0.00% dodge 0 0.00% hit 52729234 68.31% crit 24462020 31.69%
config file was :
simulation_time 200000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 156.6 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 28.79 oh_crit 28.79 mh_hit 12.11 oh_hit 12.11 mh_expertise_rating 147 oh_expertise_rating 147 ap 3844 melee_haste 7.93 armor_penetration 3.17 str 131 agi 804 int 520 spi 155 spellpower 1153 spell_crit 23.54 spell_hit 15.13 spell_haste 6.10 max_mana 11916 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 40256 trinket2 40684 totem 40322 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41398 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Lava Lash: miss 0 0.00% dodge 0 0.00% hit 6651807 68.10% crit 3116463 31.90%
Should Elemental Devastation be upping your crit % on all attacks? If you're only getting slightly above the input crit while specced for ED and using a regular rotation, I'd say something was wrong somewhere. Unless ED is barely making up for the crit depression due to your low spell crit? Is it possible that yellow attacks aren't being affected by the crit depression?
Wouldn't the crit inflation be due to the yellow attacks being hit capped while the regular white hits still have a significant miss percentage?
Interesting thought. The output was showing ED uptime of 53.23% which I suppose averaged should give 9% melee crit 53.23% of the time ie: 4.79% additional melee crit on average.
If that is the issue something is still a bit screwy. Why is white crits perfectly on input melee crit are they not benefiting from ED? Is it that SS, WF, LL all benefit from ED? If so why is the additional crit lower than expected given the uptime?
I'm trying to understand the model so I can work out why my Rawr.Enhance model differs. If at the same time I provoke investigations into either model to ensure accuracy that can only be good in the long run. I am in no way trying to suggest EnhSim is wrong or Rawr is better (at present it clearly isn't as I'd missed the ED uptime), all I'm trying to do is get the two models to agree or at least understand why they don't.
If that is the issue something is still a bit screwy. Why is white crits perfectly on input melee crit are they not benefiting from ED? Is it that SS, WF, LL all benefit from ED? If so why is the additional crit lower than expected given the uptime?
I'm trying to understand the model so I can work out why my Rawr.Enhance model differs. If at the same time I provoke investigations into either model to ensure accuracy that can only be good in the long run. I am in no way trying to suggest EnhSim is wrong or Rawr is better (at present it clearly isn't as I'd missed the ED uptime), all I'm trying to do is get the two models to agree or at least understand why they don't.
I think you need to look at the one roll melee table information to find the answer. There is a lot of info in the Rogue forums on it and I don't really have a form grasp on how they work but I do believe that Tukez incorporated all their findings into the Sim.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Interesting thought. The output was showing ED uptime of 53.23% which I suppose averaged should give 9% melee crit 53.23% of the time ie: 4.79% additional melee crit on average.
If that is the issue something is still a bit screwy. Why is white crits perfectly on input melee crit are they not benefiting from ED? Is it that SS, WF, LL all benefit from ED? If so why is the additional crit lower than expected given the uptime? I'm trying to understand the model so I can work out why my Rawr.Enhance model differs. If at the same time I provoke investigations into either model to ensure accuracy that can only be good in the long run. I am in no way trying to suggest EnhSim is wrong or Rawr is better (at present it clearly isn't as I'd missed the ED uptime), all I'm trying to do is get the two models to agree or at least understand why they don't. |
It was kind of concluded, that 4.8% crit depression for white attacks is valid, but I didn't see any final conclusion for yellow attacks.
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Originally Posted by tukez
I didn't do any calculations, but white attacks get 4.8% crit depression, which would even out the ED bonus. Specials get 1.8% crit depression. Take those into account and I think the results are ok.
It was kind of concluded, that 4.8% crit depression for white attacks is valid, but I didn't see any final conclusion for yellow attacks. |
Edit : another observation I noted I am getting the following output
MH:
miss 3177896 7.85%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 9717973 24.01%
hit 15909825 39.31%
crit 11662521 28.82%
OH:
miss 3183060 7.87%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 9690766 23.95%
hit 15933421 39.37%
crit 11660968 28.82%
DPS PPM MPS
white 829.92 26.15% 67.45
elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
Also if I may, is it possible to determine the white dps figure from the total MH+OH damage? Adding up what I see I get 74,575,474 damage however I can't work out if knowing that plus knowing sim was run for 20,000 hours with 6 min combat time if its possible to arrive at the white dps figure. Again I'm looking to sanity check my figures from Rawr which are showing less white dps ie: I'm getting 746.68 white dps vs EnhSim 829.92 dps with identical inputs. So I must be doing something wrong. If I could work out how you convert total dmg to dps it would help.
Last edited by Levva : 04/19/09 at 10:23 AM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
ie: to all intents and purposes MH & OH are doing same dps - Duel wielding Angry Dreads. Shouldn't the off-hand suffer a 50% damage penalty? Or is that not what the output.txt file is showing at this stage? |
Heya,
I'm using enhSim 1.6.8 with the following config:
Now, when ever I am trying to calculate the new EP values, I get an error at the armor penetration calculation (Enhancement Shaman Simulator has stopped working and has been stopped.).
I'm running Vista Ultimate 64bit :<
I'm using enhSim 1.6.8 with the following config:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 10 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 SW rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 SR rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.97 oh_crit 31.97 mh_hit 11.22 oh_hit 11.22 mh_expertise_rating 144.00 oh_expertise_rating 144.00 ap 3850 melee_haste 8.41 armor_penetration 2.52 str 131 agi 1053 int 517 spi 155 spellpower 1155 spell_crit 21.72 spell_hit 14.03 spell_haste 6.47 max_mana 11871 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 fury_of_the_five_flights totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 lava_lash glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.17364% (57.0189 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated.
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Originally Posted by Ruga
Heya,
I'm using enhSim 1.6.8 with the following config: Now, when ever I am trying to calculate the new EP values, I get an error at the armor penetration calculation (Enhancement Shaman Simulator has stopped working and has been stopped.). Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.17364% (57.0189 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. |
Also I have a few other questions about enhsim.
1. I thought Boss Armor changed to over 13k, did that change again some where along the lines back to 10k?
2. Also my sims recently are putting CL + LB damage about 30dps higher than just LB alone. Is anyone else seeing a similar trend?
3. Another thing is I think their is a bug with the glove enchant, "Hyperspeed Accelerators" I give myself the enchant in the sim and it doesn't provide any additional dps vs re-simming w/o it. Again anyone else having this issue?
4. Last but not least, and i apologize if this is a bit much in 1 post but, I've noticed that as our haste % pushes our MH closer to the WF chasm its EP diminishes quite a bit for about another 130ish haste rating down to about 1.5-1.8. And it doesn't rise above 2.0 again until you push past this point. So my question is are you guys planning on pushing past it and sacrificing other stats in the interim or are you gemming AP and not going below the WF chasm period?
simulation_time 10000
simulation_time_combatlog 300
combat_length 5
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 100
max_lag 150
simulate_mana 0
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 64
ep_hit_rating 64
ep_expertise 4
ep_haste_rating 64
ep_armor_penetration_rating 64
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 0
ep_spirit 0
ep_mp5 0
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1000
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 500
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SR
rotation_priority2 SW
rotation_priority3 MW4_CL
rotation_priority4 MW4_LB
rotation_priority5 SS
rotation_priority6 MT
rotation_priority7 ES
rotation_priority8 LL
rotation_priority9 LS
miss 8.0
dodge 6.5
glancing 24.0
armor 13083
spell_miss 17.0
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
armor_debuff_major 20/20
armor_debuff_minor 5/5
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
replenishment 1
water_shield 0
mana_spring_totem 0
blessing_of_wisdom 1
judgement_of_wisdom 1
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir -
potion haste_potion
food fish_feast
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
race troll
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 171.4
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 30.20
oh_crit 30.20
mh_hit 11.19
oh_hit 11.19
mh_expertise_rating 142
oh_expertise_rating 142
ap 3887
melee_haste 10.82
armor_penetration 5.52
str 131
agi 891
int 488
spi 154
spellpower 1168
spell_crit 21.72
spell_hit 14.00
spell_haste 8.33
max_mana 11076
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant berserking
oh_enchant berserking
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness
trinket2 grim_toll
totem deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability
set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2
set_bonus3 -
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
gloves_enchant hyperspeed_accelerators
cloak_enchant -
glyph_major1 windfury_weapon
glyph_major2 stormstrike
glyph_major3 shocking
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 1/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 3/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by Rounced
I don't think those are damage figures, pretty sure those are just a count of the number of events for each state.
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First of all, thank you very very much for this tool.
I'm really new to enhancement.
Tonight, I tried to respec enh for some tries, and it worked surprisingly very very well !
WoW Meter Online - XT-002 Deconstructor 25 down (XT-002 Deconstructor down for instance).
This was my very first raid as enhancement, and even more my first raid ever as a melee
I'm a little bit lower geared also than my teammates with this spec. Armory should work.
In order to improve a little bit my DPS I tried EnhSim, version 1.6.8.
I got some strange results, si I'd like a confirmation if possible
I used my current stuff, with [Crimson Steel] in MH (cheap 50 Ap on it)
Configuration file:
Result:
I've laready noticed that some of my elemental items ([Wyrmrest Necklace of Power], [Signet of Manifested Pain], [Dying Curse]) gave me better results than the enhancement items ilvl 200 or even 213 sometime.
So, these are parts of my standard enhancement set for the moment.
But a few minutes ago, I tried a crazy thing, replace my ilvl200 MH with my elemental MH: [Wraith Strike] enchanted 63 spell power.
Only 90 DPS vs 143.
Configuration file:
Results:
100 more DPS
So, is this possible for you ? (or did you see any mistake in my configuration file maybe?)
I know there's 13 more ilvls with Wraith strike, but still, I feel a little bit weird the idea to use a 90 DPS MH in raid as an enhancement
And finally a last question: EP values using my standrad enh set:
I don't undesrtand the high haste rating value.
White melee represents less than 30% of my total damages. According to my (small) knowledge on enhancement mechanism, I thought that haste would only affect this part (and also reduce the 1.5 sec GCD of course but it doesn't look like a big DPS improvement).
Thanks for everything.
A new happy partial-time enhancement shaman
For the little story, my raid leader (a rogue) asked me to try enhancement on all Uldu bosses as my personnal DPS was almost as good as my elemental spec, but I provided really more raid utility with Unleashed Rage that we currently don't have :/
PS: sorry for my scolar english
I'm really new to enhancement.
Tonight, I tried to respec enh for some tries, and it worked surprisingly very very well !
WoW Meter Online - XT-002 Deconstructor 25 down (XT-002 Deconstructor down for instance).
This was my very first raid as enhancement, and even more my first raid ever as a melee
I'm a little bit lower geared also than my teammates with this spec. Armory should work.
In order to improve a little bit my DPS I tried EnhSim, version 1.6.8.
I got some strange results, si I'd like a confirmation if possible
I used my current stuff, with [Crimson Steel] in MH (cheap 50 Ap on it)
Configuration file:
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 1000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 20 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 50 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 0 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SW = spirit wolves
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 SR
rotation_priority3 MW5_LB
rotation_priority4 ES_SS
rotation_priority5 SS
rotation_priority6 ES
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 MT
rotation_priority9 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
##########
miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 24.00 //%
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 //%, bloody frenzy, savage combat
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill, imp.shadow bolt
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of the elements
spellpower_buff 280/280 //flametongue totem, totem of wrath
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath, master poisoner
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
race draenei //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 28.70 //%
oh_crit 28.70
mh_hit 10.06 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 10.06
mh_expertise_rating 144 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 144
ap 3503 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
melee_haste 13.40 //%
armor_penetration 0 //%
str 129
agi 731
int 542
spi 153
spellpower 1244 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 22.46 //%
spell_hit 12.58 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
spell_haste 10.31 //%
max_mana 12246
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | flametongue_9 | frostbrand | - }
mh_enchant -
oh_enchant berserking
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | berserking | - }
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 dying_curse
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying_curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | mark_of_norgannon | fezziks_pocketwatch |
// thorny_rose_brooch | rune_of_finite_variation | bandits_insignia |
// darkmoon_card_greatness | pendulum_of_telluric_currents |
// vestige_of_haldor | twilight_serpent | thunder_capacitor |
// tears_of_bitter_anguish | - }
totem totem_of_hex
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | totem_of_dueling | totem_of_the_elemental_plane |
// deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | hateful_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// savage_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | deadly_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// hateful_gladiators_totem_of_survival | savage_gladiators_totem_of_survival | - }
set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
//higher set bonuses include lower ones eg. naxx_melee_4 includes naxx_melee_2
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | worldbreaker_battlegear_2 | worldbreaker_battlegear_4 | - }
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
gloves_enchant -
//{ hyperspeed_accelerators | hound_mounted_pyro_rocket }
cloak_enchant -
//{ lightweave_embroidery | swordguard_embroidery }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 windfury_weapon
glyph_major3 lightning_shield
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | feral_spirit | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 2/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Result:
DPS PPM MPS white 1548.25 27.25% 86.41 windfury 620.18 10.92% 6.85 flametongue 550.96 9.7% 54.82 stormstrike 281.37 4.95% 6.74 0.00 0.00% lava lash 205.50 3.62% 8.45 17.63 10.62% magma totem 500.66 8.81% 2.77 51.53 31.06% earth shock 608.09 10.7% 8.93 39.80 23.99% lightning bolt 878.44 15.46% 8.78 54.18 32.66% lightning shield 305.33 5.37% 0.84 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 182.98 3.22% 0.33 2.75 1.66% DPS 5681.76
So, these are parts of my standard enhancement set for the moment.
But a few minutes ago, I tried a crazy thing, replace my ilvl200 MH with my elemental MH: [Wraith Strike] enchanted 63 spell power.
Only 90 DPS vs 143.
Configuration file:
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 1000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 20 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 50 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 0 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SW = spirit wolves
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 SR
rotation_priority3 MW5_LB
rotation_priority4 ES_SS
rotation_priority5 SS
rotation_priority6 ES
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 MT
rotation_priority9 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
##########
miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 24.00 //%
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 //%, bloody frenzy, savage combat
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill, imp.shadow bolt
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of the elements
spellpower_buff 280/280 //flametongue totem, totem of wrath
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath, master poisoner
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
race draenei //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 90.3
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 28.66 //%
oh_crit 28.66
mh_hit 9.24 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 9.24
mh_expertise_rating 144 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 144
ap 3400 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
melee_haste 15.11 //%
armor_penetration 0 //%
str 129
agi 712
int 586
spi 153
spellpower 1738 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 22.92 //%
spell_hit 11.55 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
spell_haste 11.62 //%
max_mana 12906
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | flametongue_9 | frostbrand | - }
mh_enchant -
oh_enchant berserking
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | berserking | - }
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 dying_curse
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying_curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | mark_of_norgannon | fezziks_pocketwatch |
// thorny_rose_brooch | rune_of_finite_variation | bandits_insignia |
// darkmoon_card_greatness | pendulum_of_telluric_currents |
// vestige_of_haldor | twilight_serpent | thunder_capacitor |
// tears_of_bitter_anguish | - }
totem totem_of_hex
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | totem_of_dueling | totem_of_the_elemental_plane |
// deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | hateful_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// savage_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | deadly_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// hateful_gladiators_totem_of_survival | savage_gladiators_totem_of_survival | - }
set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
//higher set bonuses include lower ones eg. naxx_melee_4 includes naxx_melee_2
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | worldbreaker_battlegear_2 | worldbreaker_battlegear_4 | - }
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
gloves_enchant -
//{ hyperspeed_accelerators | hound_mounted_pyro_rocket }
cloak_enchant -
//{ lightweave_embroidery | swordguard_embroidery }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 windfury_weapon
glyph_major3 lightning_shield
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | feral_spirit | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 2/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Results:
DPS PPM MPS white 1444.21 24.97% 87.64 windfury 564.60 9.76% 6.87 flametongue 610.01 10.55% 55.04 stormstrike 260.14 4.5% 6.75 0.00 0.00% lava lash 202.69 3.5% 8.45 17.62 10.61% magma totem 535.69 9.26% 2.77 51.59 31.07% earth shock 663.12 11.47% 8.94 39.77 23.95% lightning bolt 983.91 17.01% 8.81 54.30 32.70% lightning shield 337.53 5.84% 0.84 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 181.63 3.14% 0.33 2.75 1.66% DPS 5783.53
100 more DPS
So, is this possible for you ? (or did you see any mistake in my configuration file maybe?)
I know there's 13 more ilvls with Wraith strike, but still, I feel a little bit weird the idea to use a 90 DPS MH in raid as an enhancement
And finally a last question: EP values using my standrad enh set:
P value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5685.73 ap 1.00 0.55 5796.49 110.76 crit rating 1.79 0.99 5715.50 29.77 hit rating 2.28 1.26 5723.54 37.82 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73 haste rating 1.82 1.01 5715.89 30.17 armor penetration rating 1.27 0.70 5706.86 21.14 spellpower 1.10 0.61 5776.89 91.16 mh dps 5.49 3.04 5708.55 22.82 oh dps 2.72 1.51 5697.02 11.30 strength 1.10 agility 1.70 intelligence* 1.40 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73
I don't undesrtand the high haste rating value.
White melee represents less than 30% of my total damages. According to my (small) knowledge on enhancement mechanism, I thought that haste would only affect this part (and also reduce the 1.5 sec GCD of course but it doesn't look like a big DPS improvement).
Thanks for everything.
A new happy partial-time enhancement shaman
For the little story, my raid leader (a rogue) asked me to try enhancement on all Uldu bosses as my personnal DPS was almost as good as my elemental spec, but I provided really more raid utility with Unleashed Rage that we currently don't have :/
PS: sorry for my scolar english
Last edited by Shaâden : 04/19/09 at 9:27 PM.
You've stumbled on something that has been the source of a lot of discussion around here. Spell power weapons have been giving decent results when you sim them because of the added spellpower you get. This spellpower affects your nature damage, like lightning bolt, which is a large part of your dps. Blizzard's intentions probably aren't for us to use weapons like these, and I think the tier 8 2-piece set bonus (20% more SS/LS damage) help push us away from spellpower weapons.
Also, try simming for around 6000+ hours, it helps keep more consistent results.
Also, try simming for around 6000+ hours, it helps keep more consistent results.
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And finally a last question: EP values using my standrad enh set: P value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5685.73 ap 1.00 0.55 5796.49 110.76 crit rating 1.79 0.99 5715.50 29.77 hit rating 2.28 1.26 5723.54 37.82 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73 haste rating 1.82 1.01 5715.89 30.17 armor penetration rating 1.27 0.70 5706.86 21.14 spellpower 1.10 0.61 5776.89 91.16 mh dps 5.49 3.04 5708.55 22.82 oh dps 2.72 1.51 5697.02 11.30 strength 1.10 agility 1.70 intelligence* 1.40 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5685.73 I don't undesrtand the high haste rating value. White melee represents less than 30% of my total damages. According to my (small) knowledge on enhancement mechanism, I thought that haste would only affect this part (and also reduce the 1.5 sec GCD of course but it doesn't look like a big DPS improvement). |
The reason haste has so much value is because for enhancement, it actually affects a lot of things besides white damage. It increases flametongue, lightning shield, potentially windfury (depending on where your swing speed stands relative to the 3 sec internal cooldown) and lightning bolt damage. Lightning bolt goes up because hitting more often means more maelstrom weapon procs. You can see this for yourself by manually increasing the melee haste in your config file and watching what damage components go up. At certain levels of gear, haste may even exceed 2.0 EP value which means you will want to gem for it over AP.
This is also the reason hit rating has so much value. Hitting more, even on white swings, means more of all these beneficial damage procs. And many of the proc effects then themselves need to hit, based on the spell attack table. It looks like you are not up to the spell hit cap - for that you want 13% spell hit (342 hit rating) as a draenei with full raid buffs. Getting hit up to the spell hit cap is recommended, if you can do it without hurting your other stats too much. Hit will generally be your most valuable stat til you get to that point.
Thank you very much for your both answers.
I realized indeed that reaching the spell hit cap was my first priority according to the EP values. After the spell hit cap, hit rating has a lower EP than other stats (AP, haste, crit,..).
Plus my current set is really oriented spell damage, so I really need this spell hit cap.
Agreed for flametongue and lightning shield.
I did not think about windfury yes. If my MH speed full-buffed is close to 1.5 - 1.55 sec for instance, I'll probably lose some WF DPS by increasing haste. On the other hand, if it's between 1.55 and 2 sec, any haste will probable increase my WF DPS. This is an interesting point, I will check this point a little bit deeper for my personnal knowledge.
About Maelström, I thought this was a PPM, so not affected by haste ?
But now I realize that the MW procs are definitely not regular, sometimes 5 charges in 5-6 seconds, and sometimes have to wait 15-20 secs.
I will run sims for 6000+ hours also, thanks for the advice.
I will not flood this post anymore with my beginner questions. I will keep reading and learn about enhancement mechanisms, and try to learn also playing as a melee
Thanks for the answers.
I realized indeed that reaching the spell hit cap was my first priority according to the EP values. After the spell hit cap, hit rating has a lower EP than other stats (AP, haste, crit,..).
Plus my current set is really oriented spell damage, so I really need this spell hit cap.
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Originally Posted by Haalun
The reason haste has so much value is because for enhancement, it actually affects a lot of things besides white damage. It increases flametongue, lightning shield, potentially windfury (depending on where your swing speed stands relative to the 3 sec internal cooldown) and lightning bolt damage. Lightning bolt goes up because hitting more often means more maelstrom weapon procs. You can see this for yourself by manually increasing the melee haste in your config file and watching what damage components go up. At certain levels of gear, haste may even exceed 2.0 EP value which means you will want to gem for it over AP.
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I did not think about windfury yes. If my MH speed full-buffed is close to 1.5 - 1.55 sec for instance, I'll probably lose some WF DPS by increasing haste. On the other hand, if it's between 1.55 and 2 sec, any haste will probable increase my WF DPS. This is an interesting point, I will check this point a little bit deeper for my personnal knowledge.
About Maelström, I thought this was a PPM, so not affected by haste ?
But now I realize that the MW procs are definitely not regular, sometimes 5 charges in 5-6 seconds, and sometimes have to wait 15-20 secs.
I will run sims for 6000+ hours also, thanks for the advice.
I will not flood this post anymore with my beginner questions. I will keep reading and learn about enhancement mechanisms, and try to learn also playing as a melee
Thanks for the answers.
Edited onundefined
Im currently running into a weird problem with my sim. Its only giving me around 2k dps, and im positive that im imputting everything correctly.
Here is my config file.
Any tips on what might be causing this? Ive been thinking over it and i cant figure out what it is.
edit: I just tried it without simming mana and my dps went up about 400. Im stil not sure what is causing it to be so low.
Here is my config file.
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating -30 ep_expertise -4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_draenic_wisdom potion haste_potion food spice_hot_talbuk ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.18 oh_crit 32.18 mh_hit 11.31 oh_hit 11.31 mh_expertise_rating 141 oh_expertise_rating 141 ap 3926 melee_haste 6.22 armor_penetration 0.00 str 133 agi 814 int 506 spi 153 spellpower 1223 spell_crit 24.72 spell_hit 14.14 spell_haste 6.22 max_mana 9000 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 grim_toll totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/5 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Any tips on what might be causing this? Ive been thinking over it and i cant figure out what it is.
edit: I just tried it without simming mana and my dps went up about 400. Im stil not sure what is causing it to be so low.
Last edited by Gadoh : 04/20/09 at 10:10 AM.
Try turning off mana simulation and see if that changes anything.
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Originally Posted by Shaâden
About Maelström, I thought this was a PPM, so not affected by haste ?
But now I realize that the MW procs are definitely not regular, sometimes 5 charges in 5-6 seconds, and sometimes have to wait 15-20 secs. |
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I am getting similar results with the latest version (1.6.8) of the sim, 2.5K dps. Below are my config file and the sim results with simulate mana turned on and off.
With Simulate Mana turned off.
With Simulate Mana turned on.
(e) added version of the sim for clarification.
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise -4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 SS rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.01 oh_crit 31.01 mh_hit 11.10 oh_hit 11.10 mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 ap 3697 melee_haste 7.65 armor_penetration 7.47 str 135 agi 820 int 521 spi 155 spellpower 1109 spell_crit 23.57 spell_hit 13.88 spell_haste 5.89 max_mana 11391 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 fury_of_the_five_flights totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
With Simulate Mana turned off.
MH:
miss 2370001 9.83%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 5776334 23.96%
hit 4972762 20.62%
crit 10993571 45.59%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.96%
procs/swings 14.62%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 4231808 51.39%
crit 4002644 48.61%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2094495 51.64%
crit 1961135 48.36%
OH:
miss 2470090 9.84%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6016273 23.97%
hit 5182784 20.65%
crit 11433209 45.55%
OH Flametongue:
miss 37839 0.12%
hit 17626010 55.28%
crit 14223124 44.60%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2095353 51.67%
crit 1960277 48.33%
Earth Shock:
miss 6720 0.12%
hit 3019070 55.28%
crit 2435788 44.60%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2671364 51.38%
crit 2527713 48.62%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 6103 0.12%
hit 2832307 55.26%
crit 2287449 44.63%
Lightning Shield:
miss 6485 0.15%
hit 4418643 99.85%
crit 0 0.00%
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 974894 6.42%
glancing 3637074 23.96%
hit 8830914 58.17%
crit 1739330 11.46%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 46.57
flurry uptime 88.04%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 80.74%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.40%
oh enchant uptime 37.59%
trinket1 uptime 17.92%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 9.04 0.35% 82.03
windfury 3.80 0.15% 6.86
flametongue 558.60 21.52% 53.14
stormstrike 1.73 0.07% 6.76 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 231.15 8.91% 8.67 17.16 15.98%
earth shock 649.88 25.04% 9.10 36.70 34.18%
lightning bolt 895.13 34.49% 8.54 50.77 47.28%
lightning shield 244.90 9.44% 0.82 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 0.94 0.04% 0.33 2.75 2.57%
DPS 2595.17
MPS 107.38
MP2min 12885.24
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
MH:
miss 2372487 9.84%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 5781184 23.98%
hit 4971560 20.62%
crit 10985664 45.56%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.96%
procs/swings 14.61%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 4232490 51.42%
crit 3998384 48.58%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2094356 51.66%
crit 1959617 48.34%
OH:
miss 2472283 9.85%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 6016803 23.97%
hit 5179512 20.64%
crit 11431917 45.54%
OH Flametongue:
miss 38381 0.12%
hit 17609649 55.29%
crit 14202886 44.59%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2093961 51.65%
crit 1960012 48.35%
Earth Shock:
miss 6601 0.12%
hit 3005306 55.24%
crit 2428434 44.64%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2656922 51.40%
crit 2511789 48.60%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 6110 0.12%
hit 2832285 55.32%
crit 2281584 44.56%
Lightning Shield:
miss 6356 0.14%
hit 4415812 99.86%
crit 0 0.00%
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 975676 6.44%
glancing 3636850 23.99%
hit 8811476 58.12%
crit 1737186 11.46%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 46.57
flurry uptime 88.01%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 80.63%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.12%
oh enchant uptime 37.54%
trinket1 uptime 17.91%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 17.76 13.50%
replenishment 34.41 26.15%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.90 6.77%
shamanistic rage 70.50 53.58%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 9.03 0.35% 82.02
windfury 3.80 0.15% 6.86
flametongue 557.85 21.55% 53.08
stormstrike 1.73 0.07% 6.76 37.23 25.80%
lava lash 229.73 8.87% 8.61 17.05 11.82%
earth shock 647.48 25.01% 9.07 36.55 25.33%
lightning bolt 893.56 34.52% 8.53 50.69 35.14%
lightning shield 244.69 9.45% 0.82 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 0.94 0.04% 0.33 2.75 1.91%
DPS 2588.80
MPS 144.28
MP2min 17313.33
MRPS 182.47
Out of mana time 0.02%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
Last edited by Marreus : 04/20/09 at 12:15 PM.
For the people getting weird low dps in the sim, there is a issue with the default config.txt that comes with the package -
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
should be
armor_debuff_major 20/20
armor_debuff_minor 5/5
Hopefully the author will fix the install package.
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
should be
armor_debuff_major 20/20
armor_debuff_minor 5/5
Hopefully the author will fix the install package.
High haste EP
Ok, I know this has been mentioned before in the thread but I've spent the past hour searching and looking through the 73 pages of posts and cant find where they came up, let alone whether it be applying to the 3.1 download or not.
I keep getting EP values for haste rating over 2.0. I hear that sometimes this can be the case due to a WF loss that apparently only ever happens in the perfect world of the sim, but I just want to make sure that I'm not doing anything wrong before I either start gemming for haste or start simply ignoring the simmed number and making up one of my own.
Config file:
Output file:
Any help would be appreciated.
I keep getting EP values for haste rating over 2.0. I hear that sometimes this can be the case due to a WF loss that apparently only ever happens in the perfect world of the sim, but I just want to make sure that I'm not doing anything wrong before I either start gemming for haste or start simply ignoring the simmed number and making up one of my own.
Config file:
simulation_time 50000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 3 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 SR miss 8 dodge 6.5 glancing 25 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast misc_item - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 33.22 oh_crit 33.22 mh_hit 11.31 oh_hit 11.31 mh_expertise_rating 136 oh_expertise_rating 136 ap 4025 melee_haste 4.16 armor_penetration 2.52 str 135 agi 925 int 474 spi 155 spellpower 1207 spell_crit 24.25 spell_hit 14.14 spell_haste 3.2 max_mana 11200 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_crusade totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.28364% (33.6725 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6057.466 ap 1.000 0.555 6168.392 110.926 crit rating 1.760 0.976 6086.754 29.288 hit rating 1.613 0.895 6084.309 26.844 expertise rating 0.000 0.000 0.000 -6057.466 haste rating 2.017 1.119 6091.021 33.555 armor penetration rating 1.382 0.766 6080.457 22.992 spellpower 1.112 0.617 6149.945 92.479 mh dps 4.669 2.589 6076.887 19.421 oh dps 2.575 1.428 6068.175 10.709 strength 1.100 agility 1.683 intelligence* 1.449 spirit 0.000 0.000 0.000 -6057.466 mana 0.000 0.000 0.000 -6057.466 mp5 0.000 0.000 0.000 -6057.466 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.000, CritRating=1.760, HitRating=1.613, HasteRating=2 .017, ExpertiseRating=0.000, ArmorPenetration=1.382, SpellDamage=1.112, MainHand Dps=4.669, OffHandDps=2.575, Strength=1.100, Agility=1.683, Intellect=1.449, Spi rit=0.000, Mana=0.000, Mp5=0.000 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.100&mh=2.017&dps=4.669&mp5=0.000 &mcr=1.760&odps=2.575&spd=1.112&Agi=1.683&mhit=1.613&Int=1.449&Spi=0.000&map=1.0 00&arp=1.382&Exp=0.000 elapsed simulation time: 500000.000h elapsed real time: 1488.134s simulation speed: 1209568x
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For those of you who are getting only 2k dps in the sim, I had the same problem earlier and yes the armor values is one of the things that does this but ALSO check your Unleashed Rage talent points it should be 3/3 NOT 5/5 this also is messing up your sims.
Also, Ruga did you have any luck in getting your Enhsim to not crash when trying to Calculate EP Values? I'm still having problems with this and I nothing seems to work
Also, Ruga did you have any luck in getting your Enhsim to not crash when trying to Calculate EP Values? I'm still having problems with this and I nothing seems to work
Last edited by Vlyxnol : 04/20/09 at 12:18 PM.
Actually you got that part wrong. Abnormal low values for haste are due to WF CD 'clipping'. The high value for haste is most likely right, due to the 3.1 haste buff. However, the 2.017 vs 2 AP which you get (32 Ap gem vs 16 haste gem) is at the limit. I would say change some AP to haste (in various steps in the sim) and simulate to see if your DPS.
After playing a retri paly for a long time I rolled back to shaman not to long ago and started reading through these parts of EJ's great forums aswell, along with starting to use enhsim (been using Rawr for ages). Now I can't get enhsim to get any Unleashed Rage uptime at all, and the modeled DPS seems to be about 400 - 700 below what I usually perform in 25 man bossfights that aint requiering to much movement and I guess that this is the source of the discrepency? (Recount aint showing totemdmg either for me atm and with WWS not splitting up fights in Ulduar atm its hard to get a good idea of the true source of dmg).
here is the config file I've been running:
and the resulting output file:
Another thing, when running these, I get new windows without data inputed into them pop up when I use the enhsimgui for some reason, is this something simple I just forgot to add that does this?
here is the config file I've been running:
simulation_time 6000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 2 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LS rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2,6 oh_speed 2,6 mh_dps 90.0 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 28.94 oh_crit 28.94 mh_hit 11.04 oh_hit 11.04 mh_expertise_rating 146 oh_expertise_rating 146 ap 3331 melee_haste 10.31 armor_penetration 7.15 str 129 agi 836 int 529 spi 153 spellpower 1460 spell_crit 21.36 spell_hit 13.80 spell_haste 7.93 max_mana 12051 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
MH:
miss 145 9.19%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 393 24.92%
hit 340 21.56%
crit 699 44.32%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.99%
procs/swings 13.77%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 269 54.67%
crit 223 45.33%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 117 55.98%
crit 92 44.02%
OH:
miss 167 10.59%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 367 23.27%
hit 347 22.00%
crit 696 44.13%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1203 64.30%
crit 668 35.70%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 117 55.98%
crit 92 44.02%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 176 66.17%
crit 90 33.83%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 135 53.57%
crit 117 46.43%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 138 59.74%
crit 93 40.26%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 240 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 41.87
flurry uptime 92.63%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 71.52%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 48.27%
oh enchant uptime 31.12%
trinket1 uptime 32.54%
trinket2 uptime 18.89%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1473.11 27.93% 105.13
windfury 553.44 10.49% 8.20
flametongue 518.45 9.83% 62.37
stormstrike 221.10 4.19% 6.97 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 161.77 3.07% 8.40 23.14 12.05%
magma totem 563.50 10.68% 2.97 55.17 28.73%
earth shock 614.19 11.64% 8.87 57.30 29.84%
lightning bolt 832.33 15.78% 7.70 56.42 29.38%
lightning shield 337.12 6.39% 1.13 0.00 0.00%
DPS 5275.02
MPS 192.02
MP2min 23042.25
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 0.50h
elapsed real time: 0.64s
simulation speed: 2812x
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Actually you got that part wrong. Abnormal low values for haste are due to WF CD 'clipping'. The high value for haste is most likely right, due to the 3.1 haste buff. However, the 2.017 vs 2 AP which you get (32 Ap gem vs 16 haste gem) is at the limit. I would say change some AP to haste (in various steps in the sim) and simulate to see if your DPS.
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Originally Posted by Eathir
After playing a retri paly for a long time I rolled back to shaman not to long ago and started reading through these parts of EJ's great forums aswell, along with starting to use enhsim (been using Rawr for ages). Now I can't get enhsim to get any Unleashed Rage uptime at all, and the modeled DPS seems to be about 400 - 700 below what I usually perform in 25 man bossfights that aint requiering to much movement and I guess that this is the source of the discrepency? (Recount aint showing totemdmg either for me atm and with WWS not splitting up fights in Ulduar atm its hard to get a good idea of the true source of dmg).
min_lag 0 max_lag 0 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LS rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LL armor 10645 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 |
These are the parts of your config that I think need to be changed, Min lag and Max lag should not be 0 they should represent your average lag to the server. Your Missing Spirit Wolves in your rotation and also MT should be above LS. Also the boss Armor (to my knowledge) should be 13083. Do you use an Arms warrior generally in your raids? If not, put that to 0. And the reason why you do not show Unleashed Rage uptime is because you have the "attack_power_buff_multiplier" checked which means that you have trueshot aura or something, basically just uncheck it.
I thought i had the same problem with recount not showing Totem damage as well but i found out that infact in "overall damage done" it IS combining totem damage and pet damage however when you click on your details it just doesn't show it in there, if you click show pets in the overall window you'll be able to see your totem damage. If you want proof that is combining them just uncheck "merge pets" and watch the damage done window.
As for your WWS's tell your raid leader to start using WMO as well as WWS (I know its a hassle) but WMO is more accurate in regards to DPS and also doesn't bug out. WWS is very helpful in breaking apart ability damage and incoming mitigation on tanks and such.
Last edited by Vlyxnol : 04/20/09 at 1:19 PM.
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Originally Posted by MatsT
The "abnormally low haste ep" at some attack speeds will be compensated for by a slightly raised ep at other attack speeds. This would indicate that IF the windfury chasm is only present in simulations, he could be better off with attack power.
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Except Tukez fixed the sim to remove the incidence of the Windfury Chasm in 1.6.5
EnhSim, DPS simulator
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1.6.5 -Changed Windfury cooldown to more accurately mimic ingame mechanics. Windfury cooldown is now normal distributed random number. Mean 3.0s and standard deviation 0.10s. This means 95.4% of time, cd is between 2.8 and 3.2s. The cd is hard capped between 2.5 and 3.5s. |
I've finally gotten the sim to not crash when calculating EP values for me. It seems that when I have "Hyperspeed Accelerators" and "Worldbreaker Battlegear 2pc bonus" together it crashes after the haste calculation for me. Since I've found the "Hyperspeed Accelerators" not to be working atm for me I will just not use them. Would someone mind enabling both of these options and doing an EP Calc to see if the sim crashes for you as well?
Sry for this trial and error diagnosing I do not know if or how to use debugging to better figure this out.
Working config when calculating EP=
Result=
NOT working config when calculating EP values=
Result=
Sry for this trial and error diagnosing I do not know if or how to use debugging to better figure this out.
Working config when calculating EP=
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 150 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 64 ep_hit_rating 64 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 64 ep_armor_penetration_rating 64 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1000 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 500 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 MW4_CL rotation_priority4 MW4_LB rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 ES rotation_priority8 LL rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.20 oh_crit 30.20 mh_hit 11.19 oh_hit 11.19 mh_expertise_rating 142 oh_expertise_rating 142 ap 3887 melee_haste 10.82 armor_penetration 5.52 str 131 agi 891 int 488 spi 154 spellpower 1168 spell_crit 21.72 spell_hit 14.00 spell_haste 8.33 max_mana 11076 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 grim_toll totem deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 shocking glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.43977% (64 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5808.77 ap 1.00 0.55 5918.60 109.83 crit rating 1.96 1.07 5877.51 68.74 hit rating 1.66 0.91 5866.94 58.17 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5808.77 haste rating 1.81 1.00 5872.45 63.69 armor penetration rating 1.72 0.94 5869.12 60.35 spellpower 1.07 0.59 5896.81 88.05 mh dps 5.35 2.94 5830.82 22.05 oh dps 2.40 1.32 5818.65 9.88 strength 1.10 agility 1.74 intelligence* 1.43 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5808.77 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5808.77 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5808.77 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.96, HitRating=1.66, HasteRating=1.81 , ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.72, SpellDamage=1.07, MainHandDps=5.3 5, OffHandDps=2.40, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.74, Intellect=1.43, Spirit=0.00, Ma na=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.81&dps=5.35&mp5=0.00&mcr =1.96&odps=2.40&spd=1.07&Agi=1.74&mhit=1.66&Int=1.43&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.72& Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 100000.00h elapsed real time: 294.83s simulation speed: 1221050x
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 150 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 64 ep_hit_rating 64 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 64 ep_armor_penetration_rating 64 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1000 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 500 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 MW4_CL rotation_priority4 MW4_LB rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 ES rotation_priority8 LL rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 30.20 oh_crit 30.20 mh_hit 11.19 oh_hit 11.19 mh_expertise_rating 142 oh_expertise_rating 142 ap 3887 melee_haste 10.82 armor_penetration 5.52 str 131 agi 891 int 488 spi 154 spellpower 1168 spell_crit 21.72 spell_hit 14.00 spell_haste 8.33 max_mana 11076 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 grim_toll totem deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant hyperspeed_accelerators cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 shocking glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.43977% (64 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Than I get a window, from windows xp, that says "enhsim.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close"
Worked fine for me. I just used my normal config and selected those two options (well, just the set bonus since I have hyperaccelerators as part of my normal config already) and no issues at all.
Make sure your GUI is pointing to the correct exe file (I just deleted all my previous versions to limit the incidence of that error) since the hyperaccelerators are an option in the latest version and if your GUI is pointing to a previous version everything would probably work fine until it hit that where it would try to jump the Shark so to speak.
Make sure your GUI is pointing to the correct exe file (I just deleted all my previous versions to limit the incidence of that error) since the hyperaccelerators are an option in the latest version and if your GUI is pointing to a previous version everything would probably work fine until it hit that where it would try to jump the Shark so to speak.
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Originally Posted by Rounced
Worked fine for me. I just used my normal config and selected those two options (well, just the set bonus since I have hyperaccelerators as part of my normal config already) and no issues at all.
Make sure your GUI is pointing to the correct exe file (I just deleted all my previous versions to limit the incidence of that error) since the hyperaccelerators are an option in the latest version and if your GUI is pointing to a previous version everything would probably work fine until it hit that where it would try to jump the Shark so to speak. |
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Originally Posted by Vlyxnol
These are the parts of your config that I think need to be changed, Min lag and Max lag should not be 0 they should represent your average lag to the server. Your Missing Spirit Wolves in your rotation and also MT should be above LS. Also the boss Armor (to my knowledge) should be 13083. Do you use an Arms warrior generally in your raids? If not, put that to 0. And the reason why you do not show Unleashed Rage uptime is because you have the "attack_power_buff_multiplier" checked which means that you have trueshot aura or something, basically just uncheck it.
I thought i had the same problem with recount not showing Totem damage as well but i found out that infact in "overall damage done" it IS combining totem damage and pet damage however when you click on your details it just doesn't show it in there, if you click show pets in the overall window you'll be able to see your totem damage. If you want proof that is combining them just uncheck "merge pets" and watch the damage done window. As for your WWS's tell your raid leader to start using WMO as well as WWS (I know its a hassle) but WMO is more accurate in regards to DPS and also doesn't bug out. WWS is very helpful in breaking apart ability damage and incoming mitigation on tanks and such. |
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Just tried to play again with EnhSim and get higher numbers...
I got 5682 DPS using my current MH [].
I got 5784 DPS using [].
I've just tested with [], but enchanting both weapons with flametongue, don't use WF anymore. I've also replaced WF glyph with FlameTongue one.
Conf File:
Result:
EDIT: I changed a little bit my template to take the last point in Call of flamme (3/3) and 2/5 reverberation, and switch Magma Totem and LavaLash in the priority list.
Still using FT enchant on my both weapons.
New result:
I got 5682 DPS using my current MH [].
I got 5784 DPS using [].
I've just tested with [], but enchanting both weapons with flametongue, don't use WF anymore. I've also replaced WF glyph with FlameTongue one.
Conf File:
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent
etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 5000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 6 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during
the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always
uses 1 thread
min_lag 20 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player
reaction time
max_lag 50 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 0 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but
doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are
calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the
normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference
and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit
rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting
from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give
too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation
time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although
you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a
test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important
when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still
up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual
wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds
left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast
Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast
LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SW = spirit wolves
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 SR
rotation_priority3 MW5_LB
rotation_priority4 ES_SS
rotation_priority5 SS
rotation_priority6 ES
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 MT
rotation_priority9 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
##########
miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 24.00 //%
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 //acid spit, expose armor,
sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 //faerie fire, sting, curse of
recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 //%, bloody frenzy, savage combat
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR,
abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill,
imp.shadow bolt
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon,
curse of the elements
spellpower_buff 280/280 //flametongue totem, totem of wrath
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift
retribution
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified
retribution
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of
wrath, master poisoner
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the
flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility |
elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
race draenei //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 90.3
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 28.66 //%
oh_crit 28.66
mh_hit 9.24 //%, you give hit which shows on your character
sheet
oh_hit 9.24
mh_expertise_rating 144 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 144
ap 3400 //when changing this, remember to change the
spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
melee_haste 15.11 //%
armor_penetration 0 //%
str 129
agi 712
int 586
spi 153
spellpower 1738 //you give the spellpower which shows on your
character sheet
spell_crit 22.92 //%
spell_hit 11.55 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your
character sheet
spell_haste 11.62 //%
max_mana 12906
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue flametongue
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | flametongue_9 | frostbrand | - }
mh_enchant -
oh_enchant berserking
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | berserking | - }
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
//{ axe | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 dying_curse
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying_curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | mark_of_norgannon | fezziks_pocketwatch |
// thorny_rose_brooch | rune_of_finite_variation | bandits_insignia |
// darkmoon_card_greatness | pendulum_of_telluric_currents |
// vestige_of_haldor | twilight_serpent | thunder_capacitor |
// tears_of_bitter_anguish | - }
totem totem_of_hex
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | totem_of_dueling | totem_of_the_elemental_plane |
// deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
hateful_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// savage_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | deadly_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// hateful_gladiators_totem_of_survival | savage_gladiators_totem_of_survival | - }
set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
//higher set bonuses include lower ones eg. naxx_melee_4 includes naxx_melee_2
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | worldbreaker_battlegear_2 | worldbreaker_battlegear_4
| - }
metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
gloves_enchant -
//{ hyperspeed_accelerators | hound_mounted_pyro_rocket }
cloak_enchant -
//{ lightweave_embroidery | swordguard_embroidery }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3 lightning_shield
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | feral_spirit | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 2/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 1/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Result:
DPS PPM MPS white 1437.86 24.61% 87.19 flametongue 1207.66 20.67% 99.94 stormstrike 260.37 4.46% 6.75 0.00 0.00% lava lash 205.65 3.52% 8.58 17.76 11.08% magma totem 569.82 9.75% 2.80 52.03 32.46% earth shock 712.12 12.19% 9.00 39.29 24.51% lightning bolt 950.61 16.27% 7.90 48.48 30.24% lightning shield 316.89 5.42% 0.74 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 182.15 3.12% 0.33 2.75 1.72% DPS 5843.14
EDIT: I changed a little bit my template to take the last point in Call of flamme (3/3) and 2/5 reverberation, and switch Magma Totem and LavaLash in the priority list.
Still using FT enchant on my both weapons.
New result:
DPS PPM MPS white 1438.41 24.33% 87.21 flametongue 1207.41 20.42% 99.90 stormstrike 261.96 4.43% 6.79 0.00 0.00% lava lash 202.82 3.43% 8.46 23.31 11.80% magma totem 614.07 10.38% 2.87 53.29 26.98% earth shock 737.85 12.48% 9.33 60.29 30.52% lightning bolt 950.61 16.08% 7.90 57.90 29.31% lightning shield 317.93 5.38% 0.75 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 182.16 3.08% 0.33 2.75 1.39% DPS 5913.23
Last edited by Shaâden : 04/21/09 at 5:53 AM.
First off you forgot that you need to use Flametongue rank 9 on one of the weapons if you are using FT/FT otherwise you will lose a significant portion of your procs from the hidden cooldown on same ranked FT.
Taking that into account and swapping my CG for a Wrathstrike with +63 spellpower I get 5976dps for FT9/FT. However changing the FT9 to WF bumps the dps up to 6063dps and then swapping out the FT glyph for a WF glyph takes it to 6069dps. Changing the enchant to Berzerker on the Wrathstrike then takes it to 6131dps and then swapping it back to CG takes it to 6146dps.
So what was your point?
If we find another Slow Caster Mainhand in Ulduar I bet it would be amazingly good for Enhancement. It would still end up using WF/FT though.
Taking that into account and swapping my CG for a Wrathstrike with +63 spellpower I get 5976dps for FT9/FT. However changing the FT9 to WF bumps the dps up to 6063dps and then swapping out the FT glyph for a WF glyph takes it to 6069dps. Changing the enchant to Berzerker on the Wrathstrike then takes it to 6131dps and then swapping it back to CG takes it to 6146dps.
So what was your point?
If we find another Slow Caster Mainhand in Ulduar I bet it would be amazingly good for Enhancement. It would still end up using WF/FT though.
Logic dictates that the highest priority spell should be the one with the highest damage per cast. Is there any particular reason why something like this is not the normally used rotation?
Also, I'm not really sure how recasting of lightning shield while there is still charges left is handled by the simulator. It's possible that it would be a dps upgrade to refresh a Lightning Shield with one charge left over casting Lava Lash to avoid having to delay more important spells later.
rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 LS rotation_priority3 MT rotation_priority4 MW5_LB rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 SS rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 SR
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Originally Posted by MatsT
Also, I'm not really sure how recasting of lightning shield while there is still charges left is handled by the simulator. It's possible that it would be a dps upgrade to refresh a Lightning Shield with one charge left over casting Lava Lash to avoid having to delay more important spells later. |
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(e) Figured out the issue delete this post please.
Last edited by ethug : 04/21/09 at 10:17 AM.
Sunder and Faerie Fire are both percentages now so change the armor debuffs to 20 and 5 respectively and your results will make a lot more sense.
But MT does not offer more DPS per cast than MW5_LB. Looking at my last WWS for Kolo. My MT hits for 700ish and crits for 1500ish. My LB hits for 3200ish and crits for 7900ish. Also LB has around 10%+ more crit than MT and it can proc elemental devastation, which MT can not.
So you can skip 5 MT hits (10s I believe since it hits every 2s) in favor of getting a LB in. If I use MW5_LB now, I can use MT the next GCD and I will only lose 1 MT hit. So I gain 3200 damage and lose a possible of 700.
So you can skip 5 MT hits (10s I believe since it hits every 2s) in favor of getting a LB in. If I use MW5_LB now, I can use MT the next GCD and I will only lose 1 MT hit. So I gain 3200 damage and lose a possible of 700.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
But MT does not offer more DPS per cast than MW5_LB. Looking at my last WWS for Kolo. My MT hits for 700ish and crits for 1500ish. My LB hits for 3200ish and crits for 7900ish. Also LB has around 10%+ more crit than MT and it can proc elemental devastation, which MT can not.
So you can skip 5 MT hits (10s I believe since it hits every 2s) in favor of getting a LB in. If I use MW5_LB now, I can use MT the next GCD and I will only lose 1 MT hit. So I gain 3200 damage and lose a possible of 700. |
Concerning LS recasting: Thanks for the explanation Rounced. The "perfect" way to handle it would be to have different rotation entries for LS_0, LS_1, LS_8 etc, but i guess the bottom of the rotation is reached often enough that this doesn't matter. Magma Totem should "fall off" more often, but it's probably not enough of an upgrade in terms of damage/cast over say MW5_LB for it to make a huge difference which order you put them in.
| you didn't really lose an entire lightning bolt, you only lost 1 second on your MW5_LB cooldown, or ~0.7 charges if you prefer to put it that way. |
Have we had any testing of Fire Elemental now its been buffed? Is it worth adding this to the sim?
It's definitely worth adding to the sim. After playing around with it on dummies a few times, I was seeing anywhere from a 700-1000dps boost from it (granted it was only about 5 tries due to its CD) which should only get higher with raid buffs and Heroism. It is without a doubt the highest dps Fire Totem we now have on a single target.
It benefits from Bloodlust? You tested that? One of the major issues with the elemental in TBC was that it ran out of mana incredibly fast which sort of ramped down its DPS.
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Even if it runs out of mana it should be worth keeping up until it does. Also, since it's melee attacks were also buffed, it might be close to Magma Totem even when oom.
EDIT: Fire Elemental does NOT benefit from Bloodlust or Mana Spring Totem and i guess the same would apply to Replenishment and similiar. It's possible to buff it with Earth Shield, so other single target buffs like BoM should be possible, though i haven't been able to test their effects.
EDIT: Fire Elemental does NOT benefit from Bloodlust or Mana Spring Totem and i guess the same would apply to Replenishment and similiar. It's possible to buff it with Earth Shield, so other single target buffs like BoM should be possible, though i haven't been able to test their effects.
Last edited by MatsT : 04/21/09 at 1:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
It benefits from Bloodlust? You tested that? One of the major issues with the elemental in TBC was that it ran out of mana incredibly fast which sort of ramped down its DPS.
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Last edited by Vesham : 04/21/09 at 10:24 PM.
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Originally Posted by Vesham
Yes, it benefits from Bloodlust. It does run out of mana very quickly, but it still hits really hard after it runs out of mana.
Edit - Has anyone determined how the Fire Elemental scales by the way? |
The elemental is based solely on your casting stats and targeted abilities. It doesn't benefit from auras, totems, unleashed rage, etc.
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Originally Posted by rava
Your fire elemental totem must be some sort of magic fire elemental because mine sure as heck doesn't gain bloodlust.
The elemental is based solely on your casting stats and targeted abilities. It doesn't benefit from auras, totems, unleashed rage, etc. |
Real questions.
Does their damage increase if the target is debuffed with CoE/Ebon Plague? What about Scorch debuff? Is the elemental's stats based on the shaman's stats at time of summon or do they change as the shaman's stats change (eg I use a trinket to boost my spellpower does the elemental cause more damage because of it)?
Best to start with the basics and work from there, especially if we want it included in Sim.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
aren't all fire elementals, "magic" fire elementals by definition?
Real questions. Does their damage increase if the target is debuffed with CoE/Ebon Plague? What about Scorch debuff? Is the elemental's stats based on the shaman's stats at time of summon or do they change as the shaman's stats change (eg I use a trinket to boost my spellpower does the elemental cause more damage because of it)? Best to start with the basics and work from there, especially if we want it included in Sim. |
EnhSim 1.6.9
1.6.9
-Trinket Pyrite Infuser added.
-Totem of the Dancing Flame added.
-Fixed Lava Lash with Flametongue not giving 25% bonus damage.
I got to say that EnhSim has become a real pain to update. The code is just too messy to maintain. That's why I have been thinking about a new simulator for a while now. The main goal would be maintainability. To achieve that, I made up couple requirements:
First I thought of C++/Lua for simulator and Java for the GUI. Then I thought of all the problems C++ brings:
And I decided, If I'm going to make it, it has to be done in Java, which solves problems 1 and 3. I searched for scripting languages and found couple of nice ones with Java syntax and libraries in use, but as expected, they were way too slow. Then I came across javax.tools in the default Java libraries. Basically, it allows you to compile Java in runtime, meaning I could use plain Java as a scripting language. Problem 2 solved.
Java simulator is still going to be a lot slower than EnhSim, especially if the simulator has all the these nice features. No one likes waiting, so I thought, maybe I could build grid computing functionality for the simulator. Basically, we could create computing grid from the users of the simulator. Thoughts?
I'm not yet saying I'll make a new simulator, it takes a LOT of time. I could use that time for something more useful. I want to hear some opinions and ideas first, to see do people think it's a good idea. If it's not, then it's easy decision to not to make it. If it is, I can think about it more. So what do you think?
EDIT: Levva, put these to ShockAndAwe/Rawr exports:
-Trinket Pyrite Infuser added.
-Totem of the Dancing Flame added.
-Fixed Lava Lash with Flametongue not giving 25% bonus damage.
I got to say that EnhSim has become a real pain to update. The code is just too messy to maintain. That's why I have been thinking about a new simulator for a while now. The main goal would be maintainability. To achieve that, I made up couple requirements:
- Items defined in files.
- New functionality without compiling.
- Cross-platform.
- Ease of use.
First I thought of C++/Lua for simulator and Java for the GUI. Then I thought of all the problems C++ brings:
- Cross-platform is trouble.
- Integrating Lua is not so easy and coding with it is not so nice.
- Default libraries are lacking.
And I decided, If I'm going to make it, it has to be done in Java, which solves problems 1 and 3. I searched for scripting languages and found couple of nice ones with Java syntax and libraries in use, but as expected, they were way too slow. Then I came across javax.tools in the default Java libraries. Basically, it allows you to compile Java in runtime, meaning I could use plain Java as a scripting language. Problem 2 solved.
Java simulator is still going to be a lot slower than EnhSim, especially if the simulator has all the these nice features. No one likes waiting, so I thought, maybe I could build grid computing functionality for the simulator. Basically, we could create computing grid from the users of the simulator. Thoughts?
I'm not yet saying I'll make a new simulator, it takes a LOT of time. I could use that time for something more useful. I want to hear some opinions and ideas first, to see do people think it's a good idea. If it's not, then it's easy decision to not to make it. If it is, I can think about it more. So what do you think?
EDIT: Levva, put these to ShockAndAwe/Rawr exports:
config_source shockandawe config_source rawr
After checking further, I realized I definitely mispoke about the Greater Fire Elemental. It definitely does not benefit from Heroism. (I think I mistook it for Feral Spirits for some reason)
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Good news is, if you redesign in Java I can probably assist.
[e] Not sure what you mean that it will be slower. For reference, in the real world I design components for a large scale java military simulation. Java should be able to handle the speed we're looking for. It's just going to require a very good design.
[e] Not sure what you mean that it will be slower. For reference, in the real world I design components for a large scale java military simulation. Java should be able to handle the speed we're looking for. It's just going to require a very good design.
Last edited by Malan : 04/21/09 at 11:23 PM.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Good news is, if you redesign in Java I can probably assist.
[e] Not sure what you mean that it will be slower. For reference, in the real world I design components for a large scale java military simulation. Java should be able to handle the speed we're looking for. It's just going to require a very good design. |
As Malan has said the design of the application will have far greater impact on the performance than the language choice would. If you can get the basic layout of the application set into a code repository somewhere and set up a list of tickets for us to work on I'd gladly get my hands dirty.
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I just tested the new version 1.6.9 and I get an error:
Edit: Seems like I made a mistake while changing the config, since using the default config works fine.
Problemsignatur: Problemereignisname: APPCRASH Anwendungsname: enhsim.exe Anwendungsversion: 1.6.9.0 Anwendungszeitstempel: 49ee3f9c Fehlermodulname: enhsim.exe Fehlermodulversion: 1.6.9.0 Fehlermodulzeitstempel: 49ee3f9c Ausnahmecode: c0000005 Ausnahmeoffset: 0004fb9c Betriebsystemversion: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.256.6 Gebietsschema-ID: 1031 Zusatzinformation 1: fd00 Zusatzinformation 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 Zusatzinformation 3: fd00 Zusatzinformation 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
Last edited by IMB111 : 04/22/09 at 8:00 AM.
Moving from C++ to Java will be a performance hit but I'm not up to date on how fast the JRE is compared to regular binaries. Another option is moving to other platform-independent languages like Python[*]. The drawback here is that an interpreted language can be several times slower than C/C++/etc. This has been addressed and resulted in packages like Numpy Home Page
Not sure what you hope to achieve with adding an interpreted language in the sim. Is it for writing config, rotations and the likes? Can't you just use XML for that if you need something with a syntax? I use python config files in a lot of my projects. It has it's benefits, but you sure can shit up your program with it as well.
[*] Python, like Java, should be platform-independent but this isn't the case. When dealing with filesystems, memory management, etc you usually end up hitting OS-specific parts. AFAIK the only exotic parts in EnhSim is the threading, which both Java and Python should handle very well.
Not sure what you hope to achieve with adding an interpreted language in the sim. Is it for writing config, rotations and the likes? Can't you just use XML for that if you need something with a syntax? I use python config files in a lot of my projects. It has it's benefits, but you sure can shit up your program with it as well.
[*] Python, like Java, should be platform-independent but this isn't the case. When dealing with filesystems, memory management, etc you usually end up hitting OS-specific parts. AFAIK the only exotic parts in EnhSim is the threading, which both Java and Python should handle very well.
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I too would be happy to help work on a collaborative java program. As others have said java can be just as fast if the design is right, I too have far far more java experience than C or C++ or python. I can also get the assistance of a mate of mine who is a computing lecturer and has written several published textbooks on programming in java. In particular his expertise is in Genetic algorithms which typically are useful in solution optimisation coding.
I'd suggest we setup a new project on a svn repository and grant developer access to a limited number of individuals. We can then setup a new thread to discuss the project design, this might need to be a closed thread limited to the developers initially, of course it doesn't have to be on this forum and perhaps is better that as a design discussion it isn't here.
On the two config changes for ShockAndAwe/Rawr I'll commit them now.
Edit: On the Fire Elemental's I'm not in game at present so can't check. I added code to ShockAndAwe v4.30 that would enable our pet frame by default. It may well be possible to get the stats of the fire elemental from that pet frame.
I'd suggest we setup a new project on a svn repository and grant developer access to a limited number of individuals. We can then setup a new thread to discuss the project design, this might need to be a closed thread limited to the developers initially, of course it doesn't have to be on this forum and perhaps is better that as a design discussion it isn't here.
On the two config changes for ShockAndAwe/Rawr I'll commit them now.
Edit: On the Fire Elemental's I'm not in game at present so can't check. I added code to ShockAndAwe v4.30 that would enable our pet frame by default. It may well be possible to get the stats of the fire elemental from that pet frame.
Last edited by Levva : 04/22/09 at 8:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Moving from C++ to Java will be a performance hit but I'm not up to date on how fast the JRE is compared to regular binaries.
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forgive me if this has already been touched on but this is not something that has been included in the sim as of yet. I have up until uldar been having(making) the pallys buff my wolfs as a pop them with kings and might(they share grater buffs with War's). I did see gains from this ( have not do any hard testing on numbers thou) and was wondering if anyone had done any work with this already on how much you gain per sec of buff time aka dps gain if buffed with 30 25 ext. left on wolfs and if its something i should still be bothering with at this point.
I'm sure you gain 2 pissed off paladins that have to rebuff wolfs every 3 minutes :P
Regarding rewriting EnhSim:
1. A Java simulator will not be a lot slower than C++. I don't think the users will even see a real difference. Since Java 5 and later the JVM is pretty damn fast. (even 1.4 was decent)
2. If you want to integrate it with some form of scripting language, there are a couple of other ways to do it. Since Java 6, the JVM includes a scripting package named javax.script and there is also a package under apache named Bean Scripting Framework, which allows Java to call scripts.
Depending on what you expect this part to do, as Raut mention a simple XML might be enough. I can see however how implementing new abilities might require some form of scripting (all depends on the design of the app). Another way to do this, would be to simply combine an XML file and some Java code, where people can create a class (that extends some form of interface in EnhSim), jar it, add it to EnhSim and then define via an XML file the ability to use.
3. I don't think using a Grid is a solution. It overcomplicates the problem and a Java client should be fast enough for what we need. Not to mention you need people to run part of EnhSim a long time in order to distribute the load (if you want the Grid to be formed by the EnhSim clients)
And as others have offered I would be happy to help with a Java rewrite. Pretty much all the work that I do is Java (other than some annoying parts in Adobe Flex). I've been toying with the idea of rewriting EnhSim in Java for 1-2 months (especially during Naxx boredom), but I hate reading C code since it's a mess and for one person it is a pretty large project.
1. A Java simulator will not be a lot slower than C++. I don't think the users will even see a real difference. Since Java 5 and later the JVM is pretty damn fast. (even 1.4 was decent)
2. If you want to integrate it with some form of scripting language, there are a couple of other ways to do it. Since Java 6, the JVM includes a scripting package named javax.script and there is also a package under apache named Bean Scripting Framework, which allows Java to call scripts.
Depending on what you expect this part to do, as Raut mention a simple XML might be enough. I can see however how implementing new abilities might require some form of scripting (all depends on the design of the app). Another way to do this, would be to simply combine an XML file and some Java code, where people can create a class (that extends some form of interface in EnhSim), jar it, add it to EnhSim and then define via an XML file the ability to use.
3. I don't think using a Grid is a solution. It overcomplicates the problem and a Java client should be fast enough for what we need. Not to mention you need people to run part of EnhSim a long time in order to distribute the load (if you want the Grid to be formed by the EnhSim clients)
And as others have offered I would be happy to help with a Java rewrite. Pretty much all the work that I do is Java (other than some annoying parts in Adobe Flex). I've been toying with the idea of rewriting EnhSim in Java for 1-2 months (especially during Naxx boredom), but I hate reading C code since it's a mess and for one person it is a pretty large project.
I was lucky enough to get Wrathstone in last night's raid, is it possible to get that in the sim?
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Maybe the option that reads "cast LS only if charges left" would be what you are looking for. I just set that to "2" and then put LS as the lowest priority making the assumption that whenever there is a free GCD it will be spent recasting LS.
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I found it interesting, however, that increasing the refresh charges above 3 results in a net DPS loss. I tried setting the field to the max(9) in order to force the sim to refresh LS every time a free GCD was available. In doing so, I lost almost 100 dps.
My assumption is that refreshing LS constantly results in the GCD running into other abilities' cooldowns causing a net DPS loss. So, in ideal circumstances, we would want to avoid refreshing LS unless our charges are down to 3 or 4.
Does anyone have additional insight or a different experience with this?
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Originally Posted by soulsever
forgive me if this has already been touched on but this is not something that has been included in the sim as of yet. I have up until uldar been having(making) the pallys buff my wolfs as a pop them with kings and might(they share grater buffs with War's). I did see gains from this ( have not do any hard testing on numbers thou) and was wondering if anyone had done any work with this already on how much you gain per sec of buff time aka dps gain if buffed with 30 25 ext. left on wolfs and if its something i should still be bothering with at this point.
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So pros = +42.85 dps cons two pissed off pallys.
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Calculating Ep values: Crash
Hi,
I just tried to figure out my Ep values, but all the time I start the simulation the enhsim.exe crashes. This happens after the Sim calculated the Baseline DPS. Whould you please help me out because I am really interested in some EP values for comparing items.
Here is my config:
I am not sure if this belongs to some wrong settings or if it's just a bug.
I just tried to figure out my Ep values, but all the time I start the simulation the enhsim.exe crashes. This happens after the Sim calculated the Baseline DPS. Whould you please help me out because I am really interested in some EP values for comparing items.
Here is my config:
### Saved by version 1.6.9 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 250 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating -1 ep_expertise -1 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 250 ep_dps 20 ep_mana 20 ep_spirit 20 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 ST rotation_priority7 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food mammoth_meal ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2,6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.41 oh_crit 31.41 mh_hit 11.34 oh_hit 11.34 mh_expertise_rating 145 oh_expertise_rating 145 ap 3862 melee_haste 5.83 armor_penetration 3.0 str 133 agi 852 int 534 spi 156 spellpower 1432 spell_crit 23.67 spell_hit 14.18 spell_haste 4.48 max_mana 12126 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 pyrite_infuser trinket2 fury_of_the_five_flights totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus3 - metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 lightning_shield glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Last edited by wakka : 04/22/09 at 5:33 PM.
Is your EnhSim GUI pointing to the old .exe by any chance?
Also I noticed this:
mh_speed needs to be 2.6, not 2,6 (however I am unsure if that will cause a crash, bug out the results, or actually work)
Also I noticed this:
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mh_speed 2,6 oh_speed 2.5 |
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Originally Posted by Believer
My assumption is that refreshing LS constantly results in the GCD running into other abilities' cooldowns causing a net DPS loss. So, in ideal circumstances, we would want to avoid refreshing LS unless our charges are down to 3 or 4.
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Originally Posted by Believer
In all cases while I've run the sim I've found that I'm able to maximize my DPS by setting the "cast LS only if charges left" field to 3. The difference in DPS between 0 and 3 charges, though, has never been greater than 4 dps.
I found it interesting, however, that increasing the refresh charges above 3 results in a net DPS loss. I tried setting the field to the max(9) in order to force the sim to refresh LS every time a free GCD was available. In doing so, I lost almost 100 dps. My assumption is that refreshing LS constantly results in the GCD running into other abilities' cooldowns causing a net DPS loss. So, in ideal circumstances, we would want to avoid refreshing LS unless our charges are down to 3 or 4. Does anyone have additional insight or a different experience with this? |
well you should not be seeing a decrees imo from refreshing when ever you have a extra CD in game. but what i image in your running into on the sim is that its seeing SS/LL as on cool down even if it only has say .1 sec left there by adding 1.5 additional cd to your LL/SS. while i cannot conferm this(since i have not seen the code for that part) i have also not seen an option in it to not do LS if the cool down on LL/SS is shorter then 1.5 sec less could have over looked it.
also i find that the highest dps rotion in my sims consitently with diffrent specs and gear lvls has always been
5_lb
ES
4_lb
SS
LL
SR
LS
but i find most people running sims with
5_LB
ES
SS
LL
SR
LS
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Originally Posted by IMB111
Your first sentence is correct. You have to avoid refreshing LS early if there is a spell whith a cooldown lower than the gcd. But that doesn't depend at all from the number of charges left. If you have a free gcd and only few maelstrom charges, then refresh it. In the sim there is no possibility to check if another spell will be ready in the gcd.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Is your EnhSim GUI pointing to the old .exe by any chance?
Also I noticed this: mh_speed needs to be 2.6, not 2,6 (however I am unsure if that will cause a crash, bug out the results, or actually work) |
Could there be any other source for errors?
Quick question, what exactly is "ES_SS" in the rotation section of the sim?
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Originally Posted by Fcukstar
Quick question, what exactly is "ES_SS" in the rotation section of the sim?
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Originally Posted by Believer
I think I got bit by my own wording there. In an ideal situation where we can be confident we won't clip any other cooldowns, I agree with you. However, given the hectic nature of Enhancement DPS combined with latency and human reaction time, unnecessarily refreshing LS when you have almost full charges could result in accidentally dropping your DPS by clipping more important DPS CDs or unexpected Maelstrom procs. I meant to suggest that it would seem to be wasteful to refresh your LS before reaching a more "critical" number of charges as it increases the risk of a mistake.
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Just a quick question about the sim.
When Calculating EP values, I get a lot of variance in the output. If I run the Calculator 3 times consecutively, I will see a range sometimes approaching 0.5 in haste. Agility and Crit are more stable, but variance still occurs.
I simulate at 5000h, shouldn't that be enough for Law of Averages?
When Calculating EP values, I get a lot of variance in the output. If I run the Calculator 3 times consecutively, I will see a range sometimes approaching 0.5 in haste. Agility and Crit are more stable, but variance still occurs.
I simulate at 5000h, shouldn't that be enough for Law of Averages?
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To show so numbers on what I said above about putting 4_LB in the rotation and getting greater gains then with out. I used a totem that would not effect either rotation negatively so used one that effects WF. I could see higher dps gains using a totem like totem of Hex.
Input
DPS with 4_LB.
Verses with out 4_LB.
Firstly what I find odd about this is that. The Ep values of the 4_LB rotation favor hast which i guess is not all that surprising considering its shortening the cast time of the 4_LB. More interestly thou is that fact is lower on average the value of crit rating by .3? Could this be contributed to the fact more LB equals having a higher up time on elemental devastation, but by so much?
Secondly shouldn't casting a LB disrupt you swing timer there by lowering you dps?
Lastly I have praticed this rotation for some time now since I started running the sim, but I find it becomes almost uncontrollable slop on some fights with hast modifiers. Most notably Hodir is a good example of such a fight. Is there a way it could be looked into to say for such a rotation in the sim to say. Have 1 in (X) 4_LB rotations skip to a 5_LB. there by counting for some human and speed of proc's error?
Input
### Saved by version 1.6.9 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 3 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES rotation_priority3 MW4_LB rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 SR rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast
DPS with 4_LB.
EnhSim version 1.6.9
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MH:
miss 1181832 9.45%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 2999786 23.99%
hit 2673171 21.38%
crit 5648114 45.17%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.55%
procs/swings 14.28%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2147676 51.79%
crit 1999230 48.21%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1043368 51.82%
crit 970244 48.18%
OH:
miss 1178822 9.43%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 2995520 23.96%
hit 2676599 21.41%
crit 5651962 45.21%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 9556815 60.51%
crit 6236066 39.49%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1044380 51.87%
crit 969232 48.13%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1656938 60.52%
crit 1080810 39.48%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1270242 51.74%
crit 1184946 48.26%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1889801 60.56%
crit 1230949 39.44%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2339851 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 47.98
flurry uptime 93.77%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 79.04%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.25%
oh enchant uptime 37.45%
trinket1 uptime 20.64%
trinket2 uptime 17.90%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1875.20 29.5% 83.35
windfury 770.72 12.12% 6.91
flametongue 555.27 8.74% 52.64
stormstrike 347.21 5.46% 6.71 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 288.16 4.53% 8.18 16.59 9.67%
magma totem 556.52 8.75% 2.91 54.04 31.48%
earth shock 637.58 10.03% 9.13 38.58 22.48%
lightning bolt 1034.09 16.27% 10.40 62.44 36.38%
lightning shield 291.83 4.59% 1.22 0.00 0.00%
DPS 6356.57
MPS 171.65
MP2min 20597.55
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 9.02s
simulation speed: 1994901x
EnhSim version 1.6.9
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MH:
miss 1225226 9.43%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 3113007 23.97%
hit 2814824 21.67%
crit 5836272 44.93%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.10%
procs/swings 13.86%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2172442 52.14%
crit 1994452 47.86%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1064043 52.21%
crit 973851 47.79%
OH:
miss 1225418 9.43%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 3113216 23.97%
hit 2815718 21.68%
crit 5834977 44.92%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 9868552 60.54%
crit 6433258 39.46%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1065030 52.26%
crit 972864 47.74%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1632139 60.54%
crit 1063633 39.46%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1303270 52.13%
crit 1196735 47.87%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1621879 60.54%
crit 1057046 39.46%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2367254 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 49.42
flurry uptime 93.48%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 76.11%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.95%
oh enchant uptime 38.27%
trinket1 uptime 20.66%
trinket2 uptime 17.96%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 1949.53 30.87% 86.60
windfury 774.30 12.26% 6.94
flametongue 573.55 9.08% 54.34
stormstrike 350.92 5.56% 6.79 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 292.87 4.64% 8.33 17.00 10.36%
magma totem 559.25 8.86% 2.93 54.46 33.20%
earth shock 628.31 9.95% 8.99 38.39 23.40%
lightning bolt 889.54 14.09% 8.93 54.20 33.04%
lightning shield 296.07 4.69% 1.24 0.00 0.00%
DPS 6314.35
MPS 164.05
MP2min 19686.29
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 9.09s
simulation speed: 1979980x
Secondly shouldn't casting a LB disrupt you swing timer there by lowering you dps?
Lastly I have praticed this rotation for some time now since I started running the sim, but I find it becomes almost uncontrollable slop on some fights with hast modifiers. Most notably Hodir is a good example of such a fight. Is there a way it could be looked into to say for such a rotation in the sim to say. Have 1 in (X) 4_LB rotations skip to a 5_LB. there by counting for some human and speed of proc's error?
Last edited by soulsever : 04/22/09 at 7:03 PM.
All this talk about moving the sim to Java is great from a multi-platform perspective, but isn't that what Yo's old sim was? That took forever to run compared to the current EnhSim. Several posters seem to assert that the sim wouldn't be any slower in Java, but experience seems to indicate otherwise. Was Yo's sim slow because it was running from within a web browser?
After running 1.6.9 in current gear, Haste is back to being worth about 1.2-1.3 EP for me. This is after I was seeing values over 2.0 in recent versions. None of the listed changes seem as though they would cause this though. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Originally Posted by Skiace
All this talk about moving the sim to Java is great from a multi-platform perspective, but isn't that what Yo's old sim was? That took forever to run compared to the current EnhSim. Several posters seem to assert that the sim wouldn't be any slower in Java, but experience seems to indicate otherwise. Was Yo's sim slow because it was running from within a web browser?
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Wouldn't it be possible to have a server running, which interfaces with the current binary, which users could interact with through a webform? It could the output the result to the webpage. The calculations would be done on the server, and would require someone willing to host it like that.
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Originally Posted by soulsever
well you should not be seeing a decrees imo from refreshing when ever you have a extra CD in game. but what i image in your running into on the sim is that its seeing SS/LL as on cool down even if it only has say .1 sec left there by adding 1.5 additional cd to your LL/SS. while i cannot conferm this(since i have not seen the code for that part) i have also not seen an option in it to not do LS if the cool down on LL/SS is shorter then 1.5 sec less could have over looked it.
also i find that the highest dps rotion in my sims consitently with diffrent specs and gear lvls has always been 5_lb ES 4_lb SS LL SR LS but i find most people running sims with 5_LB ES SS LL SR LS |
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Originally Posted by andreasg
Wouldn't it be possible to have a server running, which interfaces with the current binary, which users could interact with through a webform? It could the output the result to the webpage. The calculations would be done on the server, and would require someone willing to host it like that.
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Originally Posted by zomghax
After running 1.6.9 in current gear, Haste is back to being worth about 1.2-1.3 EP for me. This is after I was seeing values over 2.0 in recent versions. None of the listed changes seem as though they would cause this though. Has anyone else noticed this?
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I've noticed something strange with EnhSim 1.6.9 regarding the simulation speed I get when using a different number of threads. If I run a sim for calculating EP values using a single thread, then the simulation speed is actually higher (elapsed real time 133.44s) than it is when using 4 threads (elapsed real time 194.38s), on a Core 2 Quad machine running Windows XP. I kind of expected it to complete the run close to 4 times as quickly (or at least not slower), but maybe I'm missing something. I should probably also mention that when doing a simulation run with 4 threads, all my cores are stressed to 100% according to task manager
This is the config I've been using:
EDIT:
Something else I just noticed while doing some more testing is that setting threads to 1 fixed some weird results I was getting and planning to ask about. For example, even though I have an OOM time of 0, mp5 would always get en EP value of around 1.0 when using 4 threads, with 1 thread though it is always close to 0.0.
This is the config I've been using:
# Sim settings simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 1 min_lag 150 max_lag 300 simulate_mana 1 # EP settings ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 50 ep_hit_rating 40 ep_expertise -4 ep_haste_rating 40 ep_armor_penetration_rating 60 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 30 # Rotation/misc settings mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 SW // Spirit Wolves rotation_priority2 SR // Shamanistic Rage rotation_priority3 MW5_LB // Lightning Bolt with 5 Mael. stacks rotation_priority4 SS // Stormstrike rotation_priority5 ES // Earth Shock rotation_priority6 LL // Lava Lash rotation_priority7 LS // Lightning Shield # Boss attributes miss 8.00 //% dodge 6.50 //% glancing 25.00 //% armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 //% nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 # Buffs (raid) armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 144/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 # Consumables (raid) flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################### ## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ## ############################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.28 oh_crit 31.28 mh_hit 10.80 oh_hit 10.80 mh_expertise_rating 139.00 oh_expertise_rating 139.00 ap 3880 melee_haste 4.92 spell_haste 3.78 armor_penetration 3.17 str 129 agi 796 int 528 spi 153 spellpower 1164 spell_crit 24.18 spell_hit 13.49 max_mana 12036 mp5 0 mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/2 lava_flows 0/1 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/3
Something else I just noticed while doing some more testing is that setting threads to 1 fixed some weird results I was getting and planning to ask about. For example, even though I have an OOM time of 0, mp5 would always get en EP value of around 1.0 when using 4 threads, with 1 thread though it is always close to 0.0.
Last edited by Aphax : 04/24/09 at 12:48 AM.
EnhSim 1.7.0
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Originally Posted by Aphax
I've noticed something strange with EnhSim 1.6.9 regarding the simulation speed I get when using a different number of threads. If I run a sim for calculating EP values using a single thread, then the simulation speed is actually higher (elapsed real time 133.44s) than it is when using 4 threads (elapsed real time 194.38s), on a Core 2 Quad machine running Windows XP.
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1.7.0
-Fixed multithreading bug with Windfury cooldown.
-Trinket Wrathstone added.
I have just tried the new Totem of Dancing Flame in the 1.9.6 sim over my current stonebreaker totem and I get a dps loss no matter what I try. I plugged the 2T8 set bonus and I still get a dps loss.
Stonebreaker > Dancing Flame
That doesn't seem right at all for an ilevel 128 totem beating a ilevel 226 totem... Whomever designs these totems needs to be shot...
Stonebreaker > Dancing Flame
That doesn't seem right at all for an ilevel 128 totem beating a ilevel 226 totem... Whomever designs these totems needs to be shot...
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Originally Posted by Zaurok
I have just tried the new Totem of Dancing Flame in the 1.9.6 sim over my current stonebreaker totem and I get a dps loss no matter what I try. I plugged the 2T8 set bonus and I still get a dps loss.
Stonebreaker > Dancing Flame That doesn't seem right at all for an ilevel 128 totem beating a ilevel 226 totem... Whomever designs these totems needs to be shot... |
So someone at Blizzard is on acid.
Our best PVE totem comes from PVP; while our best PVP totem comes from PVE.
Pr0.
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Originally Posted by Zaurok
Stonebreaker > Dancing Flame
That doesn't seem right at all for an ilevel 128 totem beating a ilevel 226 totem... Whomever designs these totems needs to be shot... |
[Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability] > [Hateful Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability] > [Savage Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability] = [Totem of Dueling] > [Stonebreaker's Totem] > [Totem of the Dancing Flame] > [Totem of Splintering]
I'll get back into my box now and continue to be dissapointed with totems being the non-pvper that I am.
I noticed that once we acquire four piece tier 8, [Totem of Hex] seems to top [Totem of Dueling] when simmed. Just though you should include that in your list, Adain =].
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Originally Posted by Fcukstar
I noticed that once we acquire four piece tier 8, [Totem of Hex] seems to top [Totem of Dueling] when simmed. Just though you should include that in your list, Adain =].
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EP Expertise goes past cap
Hello,
I have been searching all morning for what I missed, but I can't find why EnhSim is reporting 107 Expertise Rating as Cap. If I change it to 108 it warns in the info window
EP Expertise goes past cap with MH or OH.
If
from Shaman: Enhancement
then what would make the sim tell me im over?
I have been searching all morning for what I missed, but I can't find why EnhSim is reporting 107 Expertise Rating as Cap. If I change it to 108 it warns in the info window
EP Expertise goes past cap with MH or OH.
If
| new expertise rating required to cap expertise is reduced to 140 due to the 9 expertise gain from unleashed rage 3/3. |
then what would make the sim tell me im over?
Last edited by rarefy : 04/24/09 at 6:17 PM.
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Originally Posted by rarefy
Hello,
I have been searching all morning for what I missed, but I can't find why EnhSim is reporting 107 Expertise Rating as Cap. If I change it to 108 it warns in the info window EP Expertise goes past cap with MH or OH. If from Shaman: Enhancement then what would make the sim tell me im over? Thanks for your time, Chug |
Sigh, this problem keeps showing up. It is not that your expertise is over the cap, but rather that the expertise you have + the expertise EP range goes over the cap.
Read EnhSim Caps for more info.
All this assumes that you have the right config with 3/3 in UR and not 5/5 which could mess it up also.
Read EnhSim Caps for more info.
All this assumes that you have the right config with 3/3 in UR and not 5/5 which could mess it up also.
I used the default config from the 1.7 version and then pasted the values from ShockAndAwe using the [Copy from Clipboard] button. I have dranei slected and have 3/3 UR. Im using the default caps from the original config file. I will raise them and see if I can get the message to go away.
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food snapper_extreme ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 143.5 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 29.61 oh_crit 29.61 mh_hit 10.92 oh_hit 10.92 mh_expertise_rating 111.00 oh_expertise_rating 111.00 ap 3228 melee_haste 7.02 armor_penetration 1.95 str 131 agi 698 int 466 spi 155 spellpower 968 spell_crit 23.31 spell_hit 13.65 spell_haste 5.40 max_mana 11106 mp5 3 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 2673 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 44253 trinket2 40684 totem 40710 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 2/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
BTW, this happens if I load the supplied config.txt, config_lvl80.txt. Only diffrence is the wording in the message.
With the included config files it reports:
MH and OH expertise are over the cap. EP expertise will be skipped.
And with my current stats it says:
EP expertise goes past cap with MH.
EP expertise goes past cap with OH.
This happens on load of files with out doing any simulation.
With the included config files it reports:
MH and OH expertise are over the cap. EP expertise will be skipped.
And with my current stats it says:
EP expertise goes past cap with MH.
EP expertise goes past cap with OH.
This happens on load of files with out doing any simulation.
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Originally Posted by rarefy
BTW, this happens if I load the supplied config.txt, config_lvl80.txt. Only diffrence is the wording in the message.
With the included config files it reports: MH and OH expertise are over the cap. EP expertise will be skipped. And with my current stats it says: EP expertise goes past cap with MH. EP expertise goes past cap with OH. This happens on load of files with out doing any simulation. |
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Sigh, this problem keeps showing up. It is not that your expertise is over the cap, but rather that the expertise you have + the expertise EP range goes over the cap.
Read EnhSim Caps for more info. All this assumes that you have the right config with 3/3 in UR and not 5/5 which could mess it up also. |
Did you follow the link and read everything there and still don't understand?
I'll try to make it simple for you in case you really did follow that link and just still don't get it.
Expertise Cap is 140 rating.
1 Expertise = 8.197 Expertise Rating.
EP range is 4 expertise = 32.788 expertise rating.
111 expertise rating + 32.788 expertise rating = 143.788
143.788 expertise rating > 140 expertise rating = you are over the cap with your EP value.
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Dup
Last edited by rarefy : 04/25/09 at 12:52 AM. Reason: Dup
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I did read what he posted. I did follow the link. Took me about 5 minutes to read and re-read to make sure I understood what he was saying.
Then I posted some follow up information that seemed to give more information to a programmer to isolate an issue.
Your post are always so helpful Rouncer. You have laid out a formula that adds up, but the part that I didn't and still don’t find reference too is
OnosKT has 18 references to the term "EP Range" on that link but the closest I can come to a definition of for EP Range is
So it seems like a magical config value that wasn't there in the version before they changed the config file. I wasnt over the cap before, I havent changed gear and Wham I upgrade to the new EXE and im over the cap. All other things being the same, i thought the app was doing something wrong.
As a programmer I familiar with the frustration that open source programmers and forum mods have over questions they deem stupid. But I truly tried to find the answer before posting what I thought was a new bug.
Thanks for your time and sorry for pissing you off.
Edit* So the EP values are just stat padding? Is this just another way to play what if scenarios with your gear? If that's the case, the default config you get has the padding and to get true EP values are you supposed to set them all to zero?
Then I posted some follow up information that seemed to give more information to a programmer to isolate an issue.
Your post are always so helpful Rouncer. You have laid out a formula that adds up, but the part that I didn't and still don’t find reference too is
| EP range is 4 expertise = 32.788 expertise rating. |
| ��*Add some amount(called EP range) to a stat. For example increase attack power by 100. Simulate the DPS again. |
As a programmer I familiar with the frustration that open source programmers and forum mods have over questions they deem stupid. But I truly tried to find the answer before posting what I thought was a new bug.
Thanks for your time and sorry for pissing you off.
Edit* So the EP values are just stat padding? Is this just another way to play what if scenarios with your gear? If that's the case, the default config you get has the padding and to get true EP values are you supposed to set them all to zero?
Last edited by rarefy : 04/25/09 at 1:17 AM.
Rarefy, go back and reread it again since you clearly have completely missed the section where he lays down in amazingly clean language exactly how EP values are calculated.
Keep reading from there and he actually breaks down an example in a set of easy to follow calculations.
Then he goes further and specifically mentions your issue
After you are done with the reading go take a look at your config file, notice the section with all the values starting with ep_ those are your ep ranges. They have been in the config file since the Sim came out and nothing has changed. If you had stuck any value for expertise rating over 182 into the Sim prior to 1.6 you would have gotten the exact same error. The only thing that has changed is that we now get 9 expertise from talents so the cap is lower, what the sim does when you set your EP range to a value that takes it over the cap hasn't changed in the slightest.
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How EP values are Calculated In EnhSim, the following method is used to calculate EP values. * Simulate baseline DPS. Baseline DPS is the DPS value where every comparison is based on. This value is calculated with your current stats. * Add some amount(called EP range) to a stat. For example increase attack power by 100. Simulate the DPS again. * Do the previous step to each stat separately. * Take the difference of each test DPS and the baseline DPS. Divide that DPS by the amount of stat added to get EP value. * Normalize EP values. |
Then he goes further and specifically mentions your issue
| Going over a cap when calculating EP values is going to result in lower and incorrect EP value. For example, we have our hit near the dual wield white hit cap. Then we increase hit by amount X and go over the dual wield white hit cap by some amount. Then we simulate DPS and divide the DPS difference with EP range to get the EP value right? If we had set our EP range lower, so we wouldn't go over the cap, just reach the cap, we would still get the same DPS from the test. Our EP range would be smaller, resulting in bigger EP value, because of the division operation(DPS difference / EP range). AVOID GOING OVER CAPS WHEN SETTING EP RANGES. |
Any chance [Hateful Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability] and [Savage Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability] could be removed from the sim? They were never actually added ingame - only the Deadly one has ever been obtainable.
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I've been simulating for the past few days in an attempt to find the best gear, but I'm really concerned about my trinket results. Are Grim Troll and Mirror of Truth really that good? I would love to fit Blood of the Old God in somewhere, but I just can't make room for it, milk all the hit rating, and get superior DPS all at the same time.
I just want one of you guys to confirm my findings if you can, are we still going to be equipping Grim Toll/Mirror of Truth in BiS Ulduar gear?
I'm asking this because I've just looted Fury of the Five Flights. I don't know if I should keep it or ticket it to someone else in the raid.
I just want one of you guys to confirm my findings if you can, are we still going to be equipping Grim Toll/Mirror of Truth in BiS Ulduar gear?
I'm asking this because I've just looted Fury of the Five Flights. I don't know if I should keep it or ticket it to someone else in the raid.
Last edited by crohnoes : 04/25/09 at 3:44 PM.
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Originally Posted by crohnoes
I've been simulating for the past few days in an attempt to find the best gear, but I'm really concerned about my trinket results. Are Grim Troll and Mirror of Truth really that good? I would love to fit Blood of the Old God in somewhere, but I just can't make room for it, milk all the hit rating, and get superior DPS all at the same time.
I just want one of you guys to confirm my findings if you can, are we still going to be equipping Grim Toll/Mirror of Truth in BiS Ulduar gear? I'm asking this because I've just looted Fury of the Five Flights. I don't know if I should keep it or ticket it to someone else in the raid. |
I noticed a minor UI issue with food buffs that might be nice to change. Namely, they don't get taken into account in the info box warnings, although when you run the sim they are clearly working properly and the appropriate warnings are displayed.
I have 344 unbuffed hit rating, so i put in 13.11% for spell hit. I then select Snapper Extreme (40 Hit rating) from the food drop down. Now buffed hit rating should be 384, well above the spell cap with proper raid buffs. With the hit EP set to 1, I do not get the "you are over the spell hit cap" warning in the info box. If i change hit EP to 24 (bringing unbuffed + ep to 368 exactly) I get the warning. Why isn't food being taken into account at the UI info box?
edit: sim version 1.6.9
I have 344 unbuffed hit rating, so i put in 13.11% for spell hit. I then select Snapper Extreme (40 Hit rating) from the food drop down. Now buffed hit rating should be 384, well above the spell cap with proper raid buffs. With the hit EP set to 1, I do not get the "you are over the spell hit cap" warning in the info box. If i change hit EP to 24 (bringing unbuffed + ep to 368 exactly) I get the warning. Why isn't food being taken into account at the UI info box?
edit: sim version 1.6.9
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Originally Posted by Haalun
I think Grim Toll / Mirror of Truth is pretty much the best trinket pair from T7 gear.At least, I have been unable to find a better combo using Fury of the Five Flights. But many T8 content trinkets are clearely better. For example, Blood of the Old God should be a superior replacement for Grim Toll, even if it puts you over the spell hit cap.
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weird output, again.
while simming my gear due to new weapons i got these rather peculiar numbers. can someone please explain them?
actual config
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6250.36 ap 1.00 0.00 6250.57 0.22 crit rating 312.29 1.06 6299.34 48.98 hit rating 288.83 0.98 6279.90 29.54 expertise rating -409.54 -1.40 6204.57 -45.79 haste rating 268.63 0.92 6280.58 30.22 armor penetration rating 276.00 0.94 6264.47 14.12 spellpower 172.57 0.59 6266.83 16.48 mh dps 984.11 3.36 6283.91 33.55 oh dps 480.76 1.64 6266.75 16.39 strength 1.10 agility 105.34 intelligence 72.34 spirit 1.67 0.01 6250.92 0.57 mana 1.34 0.00 6251.27 0.91 mp5 13.68 0.05 6251.29 0.93 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=312.29, HitRating=288.83, HasteRating=268.63, ExpertiseRating=-409.54, ArmorPenetration=276.00, SpellDamage=172.57, MainHandDps=984.11, OffHandDps=480.76, Strength=1.10, Agility=105.34, Intellect=72.34, Spirit=1.67, Mana=1.34, Mp5=13.68 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=268.63&dps=984.11&mp5=13.68&mcr=312.29&odps=480.76&spd=172.57&Agi=105.34&mhit=288.83&Int=72.34&Spi=1.67&map=1.00&arp=276.00&Exp=-409.54 elapsed simulation time: 700000.00h elapsed real time: 1033.14s simulation speed: 2439166x
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 6 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise -4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 SW rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 33.34 oh_crit 33.34 mh_hit 11.44 oh_hit 11.44 mh_expertise_rating 144.00 oh_expertise_rating 144.00 ap 3918 melee_haste 6.26 armor_penetration 5.52 str 131 agi 895 int 523 spi 154 spellpower 1449 spell_crit 27.02 spell_hit 14.30 spell_haste 4.82 max_mana 11961 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 wrathstone totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 - set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 2/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 4/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/2 lava_flows 0/1 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/3
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Originally Posted by Skiace
I noticed a minor UI issue with food buffs that might be nice to change. Namely, they don't get taken into account in the info box warnings, although when you run the sim they are clearly working properly and the appropriate warnings are displayed.
I have 344 unbuffed hit rating, so i put in 13.11% for spell hit. I then select Snapper Extreme (40 Hit rating) from the food drop down. Now buffed hit rating should be 384, well above the spell cap with proper raid buffs. With the hit EP set to 1, I do not get the "you are over the spell hit cap" warning in the info box. If i change hit EP to 24 (bringing unbuffed + ep to 368 exactly) I get the warning. Why isn't food being taken into account at the UI info box? edit: sim version 1.6.9 |
I'm assuming because the melee and spell hit we enter is in % which is rounded down on the character sheet by the game. If you eat the food and input THAT % instead and leaving the food section empty, you'll get different results most of the time. It might be not 100% accurate the way the sim works right now but it's pretty close to it.
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Ahoi
Could you add [Mjolnir Runestone] to enhSim please?
It gets added as number 45931 from Rawr if it has any relevance.
Ty
Edit: Wow, I received an "infraction" for 2 smilies? That's kinda sad.
Could you add [Mjolnir Runestone] to enhSim please?
It gets added as number 45931 from Rawr if it has any relevance.
Ty
Edit: Wow, I received an "infraction" for 2 smilies? That's kinda sad.
Last edited by Ruga : 04/28/09 at 1:31 AM.
recently when I ran a few dps sims with LL,ES,SS priority over the usual SS,ES,LL and I been receiving a dps increase of ~20dps on average.Was just wondering if I could get a second pair of eyes to make sure I'm not simply overlooking something?
ConfigFile:
ConfigFile:
simulation_time 100000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 3 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1500 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 2000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 LL rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food dalaran_clam_chowder ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 82.9 oh_dps 143.6 mh_crit 28.31 oh_crit 28.31 mh_hit 10.37 oh_hit 10.37 mh_expertise_rating 147.00 oh_expertise_rating 147.00 ap 3343 melee_haste 13.08 armor_penetration 6.58 str 137 agi 715 int 508 spi 161 spellpower 1473 spell_crit 22.06 spell_hit 12.96 spell_haste 10.06 max_mana 11736 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant - oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant hyperspeed_accelerators cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 lightning_shield glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
rotation_priority8 SR simulate_mana 1
mh_dps 82.9
Your windfury procs must suck, don't you have better results with a melee MH (and thus less spell power) ?
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Originally Posted by Michmich
It seems that you have a caster MH, what kind of results do you get with "ES,LL,SS" ?
Your windfury procs must suck, don't you have better results with a melee MH (and thus less spell power) ? |
[Wraith Strike] always sims really close (within 20 dps) to [Calamity's Grasp] and CG is 13 ilevels better then WS. If WS was a 226 weapon it would beat CG without much issue and if there was a 239 caster weapon with a 2.6 speed it would be BiS for us until 3.2 comes out.
As for SR being so low on the priority list, he is specced 2/2 Imp SS with JoW, BoW and replenishment selected so do you really think mana is an issue on any level inside of his simulator.
To answer his actual question, I really am not surprised by those results. They don't have to do with his using a caster weapon and they aren't demonstrating that he did anything wrong. What is happening is cooldown interaction inside of the Sim. Since the Sim is perfect in it's function it lacks the flexibility of Human interaction into a priority system. It can't know that ES is up in less then 0.2 seconds or anything like that when it hits another attack so what happens is the cooldowns interact in ways that we can't really see and that is what causes the dps gain/loss. It really has no relevance and should simply be ignored. He just needs to stick to the simple principle of using your MW-4/5 as fast as possible so charges aren't wasted and then hit abilities as they come off cooldown and his performance will be, for all practical purposes, optimized. If he can wait 0.2 seconds to hit ES instead of LL that will make his performance a better but that level of attention is such that he may end up standing in the fire and Dying will take a much bigger chunk out of his dps.
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
Logically since they were equal pre-T8, adding a set bonus that increases the % of your total damage coming from LB and CL will tilt the favour to Hex.
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If they were equal before the patch, then the Totem of Dueling has become 30% better while the Hex has become ~20% better assuming 4pc set bonus (It's actually a little less than 20% due to a greater proportion of MW5LB's waiting for a global cooldown.)
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Originally Posted by Luc
You forget that the patch also made the Totem of Dueling's haste rating 30% more valuable.
If they were equal before the patch, then the Totem of Dueling has become 30% better while the Hex has become ~20% better assuming 4pc set bonus (It's actually a little less than 20% due to a greater proportion of MW5LB's waiting for a global cooldown.) |
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Originally Posted by fruust
while simming my gear due to new weapons i got these rather peculiar numbers. can someone please explain them?
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In any event, the net effect is that AP is valued near zero, and that screws with the EP ratios. Again I've only had it happen once, but it might be a lingering bug in the 1.7.0 release (sorry I don't recall in which version I hit the issue).
I've had that bug happen a few times. Normally only on the first run right after it's been started up. I repeat the run and everything works fine. One version awhile back had it bad so I just started running 100 hour EP runs first and then doing my real run and it was always fine after that first run. With the current versions it's been a very rare occurrence so I haven't really been too worried about it.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
First off, way to answer a question that wasn't asked. You obviously have missed all of our class developments since WotLK came out. 50% of our dps is spells now which means a SLOW caster mainhand is a VERY good option. You still use WF/FT and sure your windfury procs will be less then with a melee weapon but when you are putting 6500 raid buffed AP through any weapon it will give you nice numbers and the Lightning Bolts and Shocks numbers will be that much more substantial. Real issue is that there aren't too many of them to select between.
[] always sims really close (within 20 dps) to [] and CG is 13 ilevels better then WS. If WS was a 226 weapon it would beat CG without much issue and if there was a 239 caster weapon with a 2.6 speed it would be BiS for us until 3.2 comes out. As for SR being so low on the priority list, he is specced 2/2 Imp SS with JoW, BoW and replenishment selected so do you really think mana is an issue on any level inside of his simulator. To answer his actual question, I really am not surprised by those results. They don't have to do with his using a caster weapon and they aren't demonstrating that he did anything wrong. What is happening is cooldown interaction inside of the Sim. Since the Sim is perfect in it's function it lacks the flexibility of Human interaction into a priority system. It can't know that ES is up in less then 0.2 seconds or anything like that when it hits another attack so what happens is the cooldowns interact in ways that we can't really see and that is what causes the dps gain/loss. It really has no relevance and should simply be ignored. He just needs to stick to the simple principle of using your MW-4/5 as fast as possible so charges aren't wasted and then hit abilities as they come off cooldown and his performance will be, for all practical purposes, optimized. If he can wait 0.2 seconds to hit ES instead of LL that will make his performance a better but that level of attention is such that he may end up standing in the fire and Dying will take a much bigger chunk out of his dps. |
so my results are just a matter of the sim being to good at what it does then.thats good to know,I mainly was just looking to see what kind of dps changes would occur by worst possible rotation from adding the /castrandom macro for SS,ES,LL into play.I've read how the differance isn't to significant but just wanted to doublecheck on my own conditions.
and yes my WF procs are less then average but it balances out nicely with Lightiningbolt as my #2 source of dmg behind white attacks,not to mention the increase to earthshock or even my magma totems tick ammount from having my spellpower buffed by 1/3 from just the weapon.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
I've had that bug happen a few times. Normally only on the first run right after it's been started up. I repeat the run and everything works fine. One version awhile back had it bad so I just started running 100 hour EP runs first and then doing my real run and it was always fine after that first run. With the current versions it's been a very rare occurrence so I haven't really been too worried about it.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
I'll try to make it simple for you in case you really did follow that link and just still don't get it.
Expertise Cap is 140 rating. 1 Expertise = 8.197 Expertise Rating. EP range is 4 expertise = 32.788 expertise rating. 111 expertise rating + 32.788 expertise rating = 143.788 143.788 expertise rating > 140 expertise rating = you are over the cap with your EP value. |
I suggest you try entering your cap of 140 and see that even that number incurs an error going passed cap; in fact anything above 100 will error the sim.
| I suggest you try entering your cap of 140 and see that even that number incurs an error going passed cap; in fact anything above 100 will error the sim. |
2. You are incorrect, not anything above 100 generates that behavior, anything over 108 generates the behavior. And here is the magic of why that is happening (again).
The Sim takes your expertise rating value (let's say 108 for this example) and adds to this number 4 expertise (this is NOT rating). So calculate with me
108 + 4 * 8.2 = 140.8
This number is over 140. Because of this the sim tells you that EP expertise goes past cap. And it does. It is not telling you that your expertise is over the cap. It is telling you that adding it's stepping function in order to calculate EP values would put that calculation over the cap.
Now imagine your expertise rating was 107. The EP value is 139.8 -> not over the cap, everything is good.
Edit:
You can get it to have 100 over EP expertise if your EP expertise step is 5 and not 4 which is by default.
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I've been using enhsim for quite some time now, and whenever i noticed a particular low DPS-figure in the output, I was able to find an error I made. However this time, no matter how I look at it, I can't find the mistake I might have made.
My problem is the white-swing and SS dmg. It seems to miss almost exactly as much as my mh/oh hit. Can anyone spot the error?
My problem is the white-swing and SS dmg. It seems to miss almost exactly as much as my mh/oh hit. Can anyone spot the error?
EnhSim version 1.7.0
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MH:
miss 266294 10.53%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 630796 24.94%
hit 442330 17.49%
crit 1189493 47.04%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.54%
procs/swings 14.12%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 410908 49.93%
crit 411998 50.07%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 192988 50.05%
crit 192637 49.95%
OH:
miss 266144 10.52%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 631282 24.96%
hit 441310 17.45%
crit 1190177 47.06%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1663583 52.89%
crit 1481487 47.11%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 192767 49.99%
crit 192858 50.01%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 253283 52.96%
crit 225002 47.04%
Flame Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 952 52.19%
crit 872 47.81%
dots 7296.00
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 247454 49.82%
crit 249222 50.18%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 260782 52.91%
crit 232120 47.09%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 437383 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 47.75
flurry uptime 94.61%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 78.14%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.24%
oh enchant uptime 37.54%
trinket1 uptime 20.59%
trinket2 uptime 32.37%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.18 0.08%
mp5 17.76 8.19%
replenishment 34.80 16.05%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.92 4.11%
shamanistic rage 108.99 50.26%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 46.20 21.30%
DPS PPM MPS
white 45.45 1.53% 84.30
windfury 18.51 0.62% 6.86
flametongue 567.58 19.09% 52.42
stormstrike 9.75 0.33% 6.43 35.41 13.50%
lava lash 309.09 10.4% 8.28 22.80 8.70%
magma totem 473.02 15.91% 2.40 44.65 17.03%
earth shock 550.10 18.5% 7.97 98.82 37.68%
flame shock 1.78 0.06% 0.03 0.36 0.14%
lightning bolt 789.64 26.56% 8.22 60.19 22.95%
lightning shield 207.77 6.99% 0.81 0.00 0.00%
DPS 2972.69
MPS 262.22
MP2min 31467.00
MRPS 262.14
Out of mana time 8.36%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.35s
simulation speed: 1534526x
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 3 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 24 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 0 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 FS miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 7700 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 2600/2600 armor_debuff_minor 610/610 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 306/306 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 150/150 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 19/19 agi_and_strength_buff 98/98 intellect_buff 40/40 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 163.3 mh_crit 32.86 oh_crit 32.86 mh_hit 10.49 oh_hit 10.49 mh_expertise_rating 141 oh_expertise_rating 141 ap 3950 melee_haste 13.32 armor_penetration 0 str 131 agi 921 int 552 spi 155 spellpower 1459 spell_crit 26.37 spell_hit 13.11 spell_haste 10.25 max_mana 12396 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_the_dancing_flame set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 4/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Last edited by Eva : 04/30/09 at 7:40 AM.
You can find the answer on the enhsim homepage:
The mechanic of armor debuffs changed to percentage based.
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armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 |
| In any event, the net effect is that AP is valued near zero, and that screws with the EP ratios. Again I've only had it happen once, but it might be a lingering bug in the 1.7.0 release (sorry I don't recall in which version I hit the issue). |
Edit: This should go in the EnhSim bug list obviously:
I'm wondering if people to whom this happen could say what system they are running it on, as that might help the person fixing it. In my case it's a quad core Intel on Vista. I wonder if the Quad Core might mess up the threading library or code.
I've had it happen on my system back when it was using XP and again since I've updated it to Vista 64. In both cases it was on a Core 2 Quad 6700.
Hello All. This is the first time i've gotten the sim to work properly (i think) so i was just wondering if you can help me see if i have done everything right. I'm really interested to know how much better armpen is then crit, as in a recent Ulduar run my main tank was say that he believed armpen was more important then crit for melee classes with the recent improvement of armpen.
Any help/criticism is greatly appreciated
Thank heaps
Any help/criticism is greatly appreciated
Thank heaps
EnhSim version 1.7.0 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.66364% (69.8726 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated. Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6026.57 ap 1.00 0.62 6150.05 123.49 crit rating 2.02 1.25 6063.94 37.37 hit rating 1.76 1.09 6059.19 32.62 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6026.57 haste rating 1.19 0.73 6048.55 21.98 armor penetration rating 1.65 1.02 6057.05 30.48 spellpower 1.07 0.66 6125.30 98.73 mh dps 6.45 3.99 6056.45 29.89 oh dps 2.60 1.60 6038.60 12.03 strength 1.10 agility 1.82 intelligence 1.82 spirit 0.03 0.02 6028.90 2.33 mana 0.02 0.01 6030.30 3.74 mp5 0.39 0.24 6031.36 4.80 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=2.02, HitRating=1.76, HasteRating=1.19 , ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.65, SpellDamage=1.07, MainHandDps=6.4 5, OffHandDps=2.60, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.82, Intellect=1.82, Spirit=0.03, Ma na=0.02, Mp5=0.39 ) Loot Rank for WotLK =2.02&odps=2.60&spd=1.07&Agi=1.82&mhit=1.76&Int=1.82&Spi=0.03&map=1.00&arp=1.65& Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 13000.00h elapsed real time: 53.39s simulation speed: 876568x
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 SR miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################### ## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ## ############################### config_source shockandawe race troll mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.77 oh_crit 32.77 mh_hit 12.41 oh_hit 12.41 mh_expertise_rating 145.00 oh_expertise_rating 145.00 ap 3784 melee_haste 3.69 spell_haste 2.84 armor_penetration 6.74 str 131 agi 936 int 506 spi 154 spellpower 1135 spell_crit 23.85 spell_hit 15.52 max_mana 11706 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_enchant berserking oh_weapon - trinket1 darkmoon_card_greatness trinket2 grim_toll totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 - naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 - naxx_melee_4 set_bonus3 - gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/2 lava_flows 0/1 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/3
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I'm not sure about this, feel free to correct if I'm wrong:
I noticed that this sim provides lower dps then possible when setting weapon speed to 2.6 if your character sheet says 2.48 because of 5.04 % haste. I often beat this sim in dps when I've just set weapon speed of calamity's grasp to 2.6.
If you use Glyph of Flametongue Weapon, you should add the 2% spellcrit (flametongue weapon) to your normal critchance aswell, just the same thing as stated above. i dont think that sim calculates this buff on its own. If it does i'd be very surprised.
I've set it like this:
If I'm wrong here, tell me please.
I noticed that this sim provides lower dps then possible when setting weapon speed to 2.6 if your character sheet says 2.48 because of 5.04 % haste. I often beat this sim in dps when I've just set weapon speed of calamity's grasp to 2.6.
If you use Glyph of Flametongue Weapon, you should add the 2% spellcrit (flametongue weapon) to your normal critchance aswell, just the same thing as stated above. i dont think that sim calculates this buff on its own. If it does i'd be very surprised.
I've set it like this:
simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MT rotation_priority4 MW5_LB rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_mighty_thoughts potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.48 oh_speed 2.38 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 34.31 oh_crit 34.31 mh_hit 10.49 oh_hit 10.49 mh_expertise_rating 137 oh_expertise_rating 137 ap 3973 melee_haste 5.04 armor_penetration 3 str 131 agi 954 int 532 spi 155 spellpower 1464 spell_crit 25.46 spell_hit 13.11 spell_haste 3.87 max_mana 12096 mp5 93 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 darkmoon_card_greatness totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 5/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Last edited by CroMe : 05/01/09 at 8:12 AM.
If you have a 2.6 speed weapon, put 2.6 in the sim. It will calculate the true swing timer based on your haste (including buffs).
To CroMe
You are wrong, the sim takes care of both hasting your weapon and adding the 2% crit from flametongue. Simple test: Set your stats with FT glyph (without adding the 2% crit) and run the simulator for 10k hours. Now remove the glyph and add 2% crit to your stats and rerun the sim. Your crit chance for your spells should look virtually the same.
To ankasunamore:
1. Your tank is wrong. I have yet to see a situation where ArP is better than crit via EP. Your simming looks right, however I would increase the simulation_time to 10000. It will take longer but it will result in less variability in EP values. I would also advise setting simulate_mana to 0 for EP value calcualtions, and add ES_SS before SS in the rotation. Also add SW (spirit wolves) to your rotation, probably as first or second priority.
You are wrong, the sim takes care of both hasting your weapon and adding the 2% crit from flametongue. Simple test: Set your stats with FT glyph (without adding the 2% crit) and run the simulator for 10k hours. Now remove the glyph and add 2% crit to your stats and rerun the sim. Your crit chance for your spells should look virtually the same.
To ankasunamore:
1. Your tank is wrong. I have yet to see a situation where ArP is better than crit via EP. Your simming looks right, however I would increase the simulation_time to 10000. It will take longer but it will result in less variability in EP values. I would also advise setting simulate_mana to 0 for EP value calcualtions, and add ES_SS before SS in the rotation. Also add SW (spirit wolves) to your rotation, probably as first or second priority.
Thanks for your answer onosKT
I dont understand how thar sim works then, but well
I dont understand how thar sim works then, but well
Is there a way to change gear in the Sim, or do we need to manually change stats?
What I would like to do is to sim out which of the T8 and which filler piece is BiS. Just so I am sure which items are at the top of my list.
I have always just manually changed the stats within the sim as I wanted different gear.
What I would like to do is to sim out which of the T8 and which filler piece is BiS. Just so I am sure which items are at the top of my list.
I have always just manually changed the stats within the sim as I wanted different gear.
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Originally Posted by Frostshockz
Is there a way to change gear in the Sim, or do we need to manually change stats?
What I would like to do is to sim out which of the T8 and which filler piece is BiS. Just so I am sure which items are at the top of my list. I have always just manually changed the stats within the sim as I wanted different gear. |
Okay, I have never used Rawr, so I will test this out tonight.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for your help Onos. I to thought that Armpen wasn't better then crit, but is there a lvl that would be appropriate? i did read in the other thread that about 150 static armpen would make the new totem worth while. Probable the wrong place to ask that, so i might see what i can find out in the other thread.
Thanks again
Thanks again
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Originally Posted by CroMe
Thanks for your answer onosKT
I dont understand how thar sim works then, but well |
You're confused because you're probably missing the fact that you're supposed to put in your stats WITHOUT any buffs active. Including Flametongue weapon. So your stats would not include the buff from flametongue weapon since you wouldn't have flametongue weapon active when you input spell crit. Then when you set your glyphs t include flametongue weapon glyph and use weapon enchant-flametongue on offhand, the sim calculates the spell crit in.
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Originally Posted by Sansa
You're confused because you're probably missing the fact that you're supposed to put in your stats WITHOUT any buffs active. Including Flametongue weapon. So your stats would not include the buff from flametongue weapon since you wouldn't have flametongue weapon active when you input spell crit. Then when you set your glyphs t include flametongue weapon glyph and use weapon enchant-flametongue on offhand, the sim calculates the spell crit in.
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I am confused because i can beat that sim in dps, if I change to normal weapon speed which should not be possible.
Where are you beating the sim? On target dummies or a specific boss?
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Originally Posted by CroMe
Nope, not really
I am confused because i can beat that sim in dps, if I change to normal weapon speed which should not be possible. |
I really want to see a WWS or a World of Logs report showing you beating the sim on a single target encounter where you are not leveraging Magma Totem by having it hit more then one target. Before doing that fix these values in your sim and reinput your stats without any weapon imbues or buffs active since that is the way the Sim is meant to be used.
Boss Armor - 10645
Glancing - 24%
Spell Crit Chance Debuff - 5%
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I understand the reasons for the sim saying expertise goes over cap, and it not simming an EP value.
For using addons like Pawn, what is everyone doing to get around this? With my current EP values (expertise is a Zero) it is hard to compare items. For example, I am at the cap now exactly. If I drop any equipped item that has expertise, I go under the cap. So an item with a higher total EP value may not be the best if it is going to drop me below the expertise cap.
Does this make addons like Pawn unusable?
For using addons like Pawn, what is everyone doing to get around this? With my current EP values (expertise is a Zero) it is hard to compare items. For example, I am at the cap now exactly. If I drop any equipped item that has expertise, I go under the cap. So an item with a higher total EP value may not be the best if it is going to drop me below the expertise cap.
Does this make addons like Pawn unusable?
Last edited by Saabu : 05/02/09 at 12:54 PM.
set your expertise in the sim to the value you would have if you were to unequip one of your expertise-laden items. when you calculate EP values after that, you will be under the expertise cap and you will be given a fair EP value for expertise.
for me, expertise comes in at ~1.7
for me, expertise comes in at ~1.7
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Originally Posted by Quirk
set your expertise in the sim to the value you would have if you were to unequip one of your expertise-laden items. when you calculate EP values after that, you will be under the expertise cap and you will be given a fair EP value for expertise.
for me, expertise comes in at ~1.7 |
Two options
1. Run your EP values using a negative number. Remove the minus symbol from the EP value and use that value.
2. Normalize Expertise to 2 considering you will Gem to the cap and if an item has expertise you can gem for more AP instead.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Two options
1. Run your EP values using a negative number. Remove the minus symbol from the EP value and use that value. 2. Normalize Expertise to 2 considering you will Gem to the cap and if an item has expertise you can gem for more AP instead. |
Option 2: How do I 'normalize' the expertise value?
Appreciated
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Originally Posted by Saabu
Option 1: Can you clarify how I would do this? Simply switch the expertise rating I input to a negative value? I.e, -145
Option 2: How do I 'normalize' the expertise value? Appreciated |
As for normalizing you are just working off the assumption that you will get as close to expertise capped as possible without going over and that you will use gems to get there as needed. Since you get 1 point of expertise rating for 2 points of AP on a gem you are just setting the EP value of Expertise to 2.
I am expertise capped too, however setting expertise to negative values under the EP tab seems to make no difference. I have tried from -4 till -20000 and the warning message still stays and expertise EP is not calculated. My config file below
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 12000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating -2 ep_expertise -4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 33.82 oh_crit 33.82 mh_hit 10.43 oh_hit 10.43 mh_expertise_rating 141.00 oh_expertise_rating 141.00 ap 3735 melee_haste 6.86 armor_penetration 5.52 str 192 agi 815 int 527 spi 159 spellpower 1394 spell_crit 26.48 spell_hit 13.04 spell_haste 5.28 max_mana 12021 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant mongoose mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 grim_toll totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Hey guys, just wondering if you could help me please, I've use Shock and Awe to get the stats for Enhsim, but I keep getting a message that it can't run it as there are errors (enchant not found, melee ans spell haste not found, set bonus not found). I've tried removing, adding and replacing a few of what I think are the right errors, but I'm not 100% sure on what I am doing. Could you take a look at my input and tell me what I'm doing wrong. Thanks
It seemed to work grand on v1.6.8 but i recently downloaded v1.7.0, so maybe i've missed something.
Also, when I was entering these stats into v1.6.8 it was telling me that I needed spell power, again not 100% sure what I'm doing, so it may be something really simple. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 2 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 FS rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### ############################### ## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ## ############################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.60 mh_dps 156.5 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 24.74 oh_crit 24.74 mh_hit 10.40 oh_hit 10.40 mh_expertise_rating 143.00 oh_expertise_rating 143.00 ap 3392 haste 3.69 armor_penetration 10.31 str 121 agi 813 int 467 spi 145 spellpower 1017 spell_crit 17.06 spell_hit 13.00 max_mana 11121 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_enchant - oh_weapon - trinket1 pyrite_infuser trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem totem_of_splintering set_bonus naxx_melee_2 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 lava_lash glyph_major3 earth_shock glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/2 lava_flows 0/1 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/2 lava_flows 0/1 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/3
Also, when I was entering these stats into v1.6.8 it was telling me that I needed spell power, again not 100% sure what I'm doing, so it may be something really simple. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Last edited by Ultrin : 05/03/09 at 12:11 AM.
Configlvl80 file that is with 1.7.0 enhsim is old and it has several mistakes in it, config file with explanations seems to be current. Compare to that to see what you must fix, it is same issue as to what Rouncer replied last page.
Boss Armor - 10645
Glancing - 24%
Spell Crit Chance Debuff - 5%
Boss Armor - 10645
Glancing - 24%
Spell Crit Chance Debuff - 5%
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Two options
1. Run your EP values using a negative number. Remove the minus symbol from the EP value and use that value. 2. Normalize Expertise to 2 considering you will Gem to the cap and if an item has expertise you can gem for more AP instead. |
Option number 2 is simple AND correct.
While optimizing with current raid itemization you end up in Case 1 90% of the time, 10% being strange luck of getting items with heavy expertise only (Case 3), case 2 is for new 80s:
Case 1: some of your gems are with expertise
This fundamentally means expertise EP = EP of other stats present on gems, otherwise you would not reach such situation while optimizing your dps, remember that gems are equal in terms of item budget which would lead to replacing other gems with exp gems. So, if you have expertise gems and hit gems and AP gems, exp EP =hit EP = 2.
Case 2: only expertise gems
This means that without all exp gems you cannot cover cap. If you end up in this case while optimizing -value of exp is indeed >2. This also means that optimal dps gear set returned from wowhead/lootrank with exp =2 is not covering cap. You have to manually increase its value until returned gear set will cover exp cap.
Case 3: no expertise gems
This means that you managed to optimize your dps while exp is inferior to stats on gems, otherwise you would have to replace gems. In this case you can start to lower EP value for exp beyond 2 and "true" value for exp will be reached just before cap is broken.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
As for normalizing you are just working off the assumption that you will get as close to expertise capped as possible without going over and that you will use gems to get there as needed. Since you get 1 point of expertise rating for 2 points of AP on a gem you are just setting the EP value of Expertise to 2. |
Option #1 shows the true value of expertise if someone wants to know how it compares to other stats. I find knowing the actual number has value to me, personally, since if there comes a time where it's value drops below another stat I want to know about it.
The person I was responding too had just been told that uncapped expertise had an EP value of 1.7 which is clearly wrong as shown by running the EP's using a negative value. Knowing the true value helps to ensure that people aren't dumbasses and stop maintaining capped Expertise.
I do like your simplified Cases though and, if it is ok with you, would like to incorporate that language into the TTT since it simplifies the concept and makes it possible for people to follow "rules" instead of requiring them to actually understand what the numbers are showing them.
no, you aren't setting the EP value of expertise to 2 in the simulator. You are setting the EP value of Expertise to 2 in whatever program/webpage/pawn you are using to evaluate the actual gear.
The person I was responding too had just been told that uncapped expertise had an EP value of 1.7 which is clearly wrong as shown by running the EP's using a negative value. Knowing the true value helps to ensure that people aren't dumbasses and stop maintaining capped Expertise.
I do like your simplified Cases though and, if it is ok with you, would like to incorporate that language into the TTT since it simplifies the concept and makes it possible for people to follow "rules" instead of requiring them to actually understand what the numbers are showing them.
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Originally Posted by Saabu
If I go to the EP tab, and change the expertise value there to 2, it puts me over the expertise cap, as expected. I must be misunderstanding what you mean here.
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Edited onundefined
I think some people might be confused about terminology. The sim calculates EP values by using step values. The EP step value for expertise is set by default to 4 in the sim. This means the sim increases your expertise value (not expertise rating) by 4, and compares your dps with the new value to your dps with your current values. It then makes a calculation to tell you over that step size how much 1 point of expertise rating is worth in increased dps, presenting its findings for all stats in equivalancies to attack power. When Rouncer is saying input negative expertise into the sim, this means input a negative step size into the sim. The sim will then decrease your expertise, calculate dps with the new lower value, and tell you how much attack power you would have to lose to get a similar loss.
Think of it like calculating the slope of a function. Ideally you would use a derivative to find the exact value of the slope at the point on your graph. But if the function is an irrational plot of real world data, and graphs out pretty jagged, this won't provide a helpful prediction. So, you take 2 points on your graph that aren't right next to each other, and calculate the slope between them.
This works great for a steadily (if unevenly) increasing function, like the plot of armor penetration vs. dps. Hit rating has 3 points where the slope drastically changes (the yellow, spell, and white caps), and so the sim warns if the EP step size passes any of these 3 cusp points. Expertise rating has a point where the fuction plateaus, any value beyond this point providing no dps increase. The sim warns if your step size passes this point, and informs that increasing expertise won't add any dps, giving it an EP value of 0. But expertise is not useless, and if you're capped decreasing your expertise will hurt you badly. Thus, since EP is the slope of expertise over dps (as expressed as attack power), you simply find the slope of the function before the cusp point, which is done by inputting a negative step size.
Edit: I apologize for potentially adding confusion when my intention was to clarify. Some people were confused about what "negative expertise" actually means. Whether you use a positive or negative step size for expertise in the sim, whether your calculated expertise EP is 0 or -3, you should use 2 for your EP value for expertise unless you are far below the cap and can't reach the cap with gems. When you gain or lose expertise with a gear upgrade, you can put yourself back at the cap by changing gems at the conversion rate of 2 AP = 1 expertise.
Think of it like calculating the slope of a function. Ideally you would use a derivative to find the exact value of the slope at the point on your graph. But if the function is an irrational plot of real world data, and graphs out pretty jagged, this won't provide a helpful prediction. So, you take 2 points on your graph that aren't right next to each other, and calculate the slope between them.
This works great for a steadily (if unevenly) increasing function, like the plot of armor penetration vs. dps. Hit rating has 3 points where the slope drastically changes (the yellow, spell, and white caps), and so the sim warns if the EP step size passes any of these 3 cusp points. Expertise rating has a point where the fuction plateaus, any value beyond this point providing no dps increase. The sim warns if your step size passes this point, and informs that increasing expertise won't add any dps, giving it an EP value of 0. But expertise is not useless, and if you're capped decreasing your expertise will hurt you badly. Thus, since EP is the slope of expertise over dps (as expressed as attack power), you simply find the slope of the function before the cusp point, which is done by inputting a negative step size.
Edit: I apologize for potentially adding confusion when my intention was to clarify. Some people were confused about what "negative expertise" actually means. Whether you use a positive or negative step size for expertise in the sim, whether your calculated expertise EP is 0 or -3, you should use 2 for your EP value for expertise unless you are far below the cap and can't reach the cap with gems. When you gain or lose expertise with a gear upgrade, you can put yourself back at the cap by changing gems at the conversion rate of 2 AP = 1 expertise.
Last edited by Jessamy : 05/04/09 at 9:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by Ultrin
Hey guys, just wondering if you could help me please, I've use Shock and Awe to get the stats for Enhsim, but I keep getting a message that it can't run it as there are errors (enchant not found, melee ans spell haste not found, set bonus not found). I've tried removing, adding and replacing a few of what I think are the right errors, but I'm not 100% sure on what I am doing. Could you take a look at my input and tell me what I'm doing wrong. Thanks
It seemed to work grand on v1.6.8 but i recently downloaded v1.7.0, so maybe i've missed something. Also, when I was entering these stats into v1.6.8 it was telling me that I needed spell power, again not 100% sure what I'm doing, so it may be something really simple. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Originally Posted by Jessamy
This works great for a steadily (if unevenly) increasing function, like the plot of dps vs. armor penetration. Hit rating has 3 points where the slope drastically changes (the yellow, spell, and white caps), and so the sim warns if the EP step size passes any of these 3 cusp points. Expertise rating has a point where the fuction plateaus, any value beyond this point providing no dps increase. The sim warns if your step size passes this point, and informs that increasing expertise won't add any dps, giving it an EP value of 0. But expertise is not useless, and if you're capped decreasing your expertise will hurt you badly. Thus, since EP is the slope of expertise over dps (as expressed as attack power), you simply find the slope of the function before the cusp point, which is done by inputting a negative step size.
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However given that Expertise rating is now shown to be a smooth and not stepped as previously imagined is there not significant merit in changing this in v1.7.1 to be expertise_rating ep values. The default can then just be changed to 32.
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Originally Posted by Jessamy
This works great for a steadily (if unevenly) increasing function, like the plot of dps vs. armor penetration. Hit rating has 3 points where the slope drastically changes (the yellow, spell, and white caps), and so the sim warns if the EP step size passes any of these 3 cusp points. Expertise rating has a point where the fuction plateaus, any value beyond this point providing no dps increase. The sim warns if your step size passes this point, and informs that increasing expertise won't add any dps, giving it an EP value of 0. But expertise is not useless, and if you're capped decreasing your expertise will hurt you badly.
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Originally Posted by Jessamy
Thus, since EP is the slope of expertise over dps (as expressed as attack power), you simply find the slope of the function before the cusp point, which is done by inputting a negative step size.
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The "true" value of expertise with cap reached is not the one that is just before reaching cap.
It reaches plateau with the help of gems - it becomes as valuable as other gems.
EP value of 0 = undervalued. Generated wowhead list will have low expertise, thus forcing exp value to rise in next iteration.
EP value of 2.7 or whatever is calculated with negative step = overvalued, Generated wowhead list will offer too much expertise, which will lead to replacing exp gems with ap gems which contradicts their pretended higher value.
EP value of 2 allows preservation of the cap and allows focusing on other stats.
In v1.7.0 108 expertise rating with unleashed rage 3/3 makes enhsim think that it is over cap. Still calculating EP gives positive values for expertise rating.
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Originally Posted by Cheysuli
In v1.7.0 108 expertise rating with unleashed rage 3/3 makes enhsim think that it is over cap. Still calculating EP gives positive values for expertise rating.
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"If you include the EP step value your expertise will go over the cap"
and of course just replace expertise for MH hit rating, and OH hit rating. If they are clueless enough to be over the cap even without the EP step values then this should be a
"Even before including the EP step values your expertise is over the cap, recommend setting the EP step to a negative value"
I've been meaning to write a stub to the enhance TTT about exp, hit and EP but Yo! sums it up nicely.
The negative exp thing people do in the sim is only usable to prove that exp still is a superior stat to cap. Same with hit(spell softcap). For lootrank or wowhead you should always insert exp and hit as value=2 as Yo! explains. Using the actual EP value of exp is only usable when your gear is terrible and you are looking for gear to get closer to the cap. If using the actual EP value after reaching the cap, you inflate poor items with a lot of exp or poor gear with a lot of sockets. Same goes for hit.
Don't recommend setting exp to a negative value. Instead suggest to use the value 2 for reference when browsing gear sites. We're talking after reaching the cap here and thus a negative value is misleading.
The negative exp thing people do in the sim is only usable to prove that exp still is a superior stat to cap. Same with hit(spell softcap). For lootrank or wowhead you should always insert exp and hit as value=2 as Yo! explains. Using the actual EP value of exp is only usable when your gear is terrible and you are looking for gear to get closer to the cap. If using the actual EP value after reaching the cap, you inflate poor items with a lot of exp or poor gear with a lot of sockets. Same goes for hit.
Don't recommend setting exp to a negative value. Instead suggest to use the value 2 for reference when browsing gear sites. We're talking after reaching the cap here and thus a negative value is misleading.
I'm having EnhSim crash whenever I try to calculate EP values. It gets as far as '6/14 Expertise skipped' and then crashes when trying to do the calculations for 7/14 (which i cannot for the life of me remember what is). All simulations however run without any problems at all. I have a fresh download of EnhSim 1.7.0 and the gui is linked to the correct enhsim.exe file. I have experimented with different ep steps on the various stats but I always get the same problem.
Here is a copy of my config file:
Any insight as to what is causing this problem is greatly appreciated.
Here is a copy of my config file:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 2 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 SW rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.49 oh_crit 31.49 mh_hit 10.37 oh_hit 10.37 mh_expertise_rating 140 oh_expertise_rating 140 ap 3826 melee_haste 9.32 armor_penetration 10.64 str 131 agi 795 int 511 spi 155 spellpower 1147 spell_crit 26.30 spell_hit 12.96 spell_haste 7.17 max_mana 11781 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 45286 trinket2 40684 totem 40322 set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 feral_spirit glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Are you running on Windows 7 by any chance? I have been having a similar issue recently on my Beta 7 install, where 1.7.0 crashes when it runs the first two EP values (sim works fine)
I'm having some issues with reconciling with the output I get from EnhSim and was basicly wondering if something is wrong with the input. I seem to be getting very high values for hitrating, past spell hit cap (ranging from 2.9-3.1) where I'd expect to get values a bit below 2 atleast.
Outputfile for EP calc:
this is the config file related to the above outputfile:
It appears that trinkets/weapon enchants aint being written out as anything but numbers (DMG + MoT and Berserking enchants on both MH and OH)
Outputfile for EP calc:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2960.24 ap 1.00 0.36 3031.61 71.37 crit rating 2.03 0.72 2981.92 21.68 hit rating 3.00 1.07 2992.40 32.16 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -2960.24 haste rating 1.80 0.64 2979.55 19.31 armor penetration rating 1.56 0.56 2976.96 16.72 spellpower 1.05 0.37 3016.22 55.98 mh dps 5.38 1.92 2974.65 14.41 oh dps 2.52 0.90 2966.99 6.75 strength 1.00 agility 1.65 intelligence 1.52
simulation_time 6000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 120 max_lag 140 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2,6 oh_speed 2,6 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 31.22 oh_crit 31.22 mh_hit 10.77 oh_hit 10.77 mh_expertise_rating 143 oh_expertise_rating 143 ap 3667 melee_haste 11.81 armor_penetration 6.58 str 129 agi 868 int 527 spi 153 spellpower 1100 spell_crit 25.24 spell_hit 13.46 spell_haste 9.09 max_mana 12021 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 44253 trinket2 40684 totem 40267 set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 lightning_shield glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Um, you are not spell hit capped:
13.46 + 3.00 (misery) = 16.46 < 17.00 (spell hit cap). As such it is normal that your hit will have a fairly high value (Simply changing my hit to 13.46 puts me at 2.49 EP for hit from 1.40ish)
As for numbers - those are fine, I think they represent wowhead IDs and the sim treats them correctly.
13.46 + 3.00 (misery) = 16.46 < 17.00 (spell hit cap). As such it is normal that your hit will have a fairly high value (Simply changing my hit to 13.46 puts me at 2.49 EP for hit from 1.40ish)
As for numbers - those are fine, I think they represent wowhead IDs and the sim treats them correctly.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Um, you are not spell hit capped:
13.46 + 3.00 (misery) = 16.46 < 17.00 (spell hit cap). As such it is normal that your hit will have a fairly high value (Simply changing my hit to 13.46 puts me at 2.49 EP for hit from 1.40ish) As for numbers - those are fine, I think they represent wowhead IDs and the sim treats them correctly. |
Do I somehow need to add the 1% extra spellhit from racials? I assumed it got added through the race being chosen but that could be the cause.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Are you running on Windows 7 by any chance? I have been having a similar issue recently on my Beta 7 install, where 1.7.0 crashes when it runs the first two EP values (sim works fine)
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Originally Posted by Eathir
I'm having some issues with reconciling with the output I get from EnhSim and was basicly wondering if something is wrong with the input. I seem to be getting very high values for hitrating, past spell hit cap (ranging from 2.9-3.1) where I'd expect to get values a bit below 2 atleast.
this is the config file related to the above outputfile: mh_speed 2,6 oh_speed 2,6 |
I think our EU bretheren aren't used to using decimal points.
Just a hint, when a new version comes out, try using the default config file first to do any calculations/simulations. If the default config file works fine, then something you're adding is screwing up the sim.
I generally will make a copy, and edit that with my current values, as much as it sucks to reenter data, sometimes it's safer.
Just a hint, when a new version comes out, try using the default config file first to do any calculations/simulations. If the default config file works fine, then something you're adding is screwing up the sim.
I generally will make a copy, and edit that with my current values, as much as it sucks to reenter data, sometimes it's safer.
Actually I have tried on mine and the 2,6 seems to work fine.
I'll rerun it with . rather then , for the values, I assumed the problem wouldnt be there as those values got taken straight from Rawr's export function.
okies, just did a rerun of my sim using 2.6 rather then 2,6 as base weaponspeed, it does still provide the same results.
Hai 
2 questions :
1.How that EP works ( what's about them ) - because i know they are calculation my stats to some dps points right ?
2. If one of my stat got EP >2 so i should stack it ? ( i read it on some forum)
2 questions :1.How that EP works ( what's about them ) - because i know they are calculation my stats to some dps points right ?
2. If one of my stat got EP >2 so i should stack it ? ( i read it on some forum)
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Originally Posted by Eathir
It appears that trinkets/weapon enchants aint being written out as anything but numbers (DMG + MoT and Berserking enchants on both MH and OH) |
What should perhaps happen in EnhSim though is that it should warn if it doesn't recognise an item id. So that you know it's skipping that item.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Both ShockAndAwe & Rawr now export item id's for trinkets, enchants, metagems, totems. This is so that you don't need to upgrade those programs every time there is a new item added to the game.
What should perhaps happen in EnhSim though is that it should warn if it doesn't recognise an item id. So that you know it's skipping that item. |
Levva, do you know if the 1% hit bonus from heroic presence (Draeni racial) gets added when choosing race? Rawr has a option to activate the buff, but I can't find something similair in enhsim.
The 1% hit racial is taken into account in Enhancesim. I tried this on my Draenei shaman, which is slighty above the spellhit-cap, leading to the message: EP hit goes past cap with spells. If I would then select a different race, this message would disappear.
This leads to the conclusion that the 1% hit racial is taken into account.
This leads to the conclusion that the 1% hit racial is taken into account.
damn, that would have been such a easy solution, can't see another reason for enhsim giving me subspellhitcap EP's for hitrating.
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| 1.How that EP works ( what's about them ) - because i know they are calculation my stats to some dps points right ? |
| 2. If one of my stat got EP >2 so i should stack it ? ( i read it on some forum) |
For gems, you should generally gem for stats that have > 2 EP, since AP gems are 32, and other stats are generally 16 gems. If nothing is > 2 EP, then AP gems are best. This should go without saying but always take into consideration socket bonuses. The worldbreaker pants for example have a socket bonus of 12 AP (so 12 EP).
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| I'm having some issues with reconciling with the output I get from EnhSim and was basicly wondering if something is wrong with the input. I seem to be getting very high values for hitrating, past spell hit cap (ranging from 2.9-3.1) where I'd expect to get values a bit below 2 atleast. |
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5599.34 ap 1.00 0.55 5708.47 109.12 crit rating 1.85 1.01 5629.69 30.34 hit rating 1.71 0.93 5627.30 27.96 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5599.34 haste rating 1.72 0.94 5627.55 28.21 armor penetration rating 1.55 0.84 5624.68 25.34 spellpower 1.17 0.64 5695.19 95.85 mh dps 5.31 2.90 5621.09 21.74 oh dps 3.03 1.65 5611.73 12.39 strength 1.10 agility 1.66 intelligence* 1.52 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5599.34 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5599.34 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5599.34
You are definitely not running the right config file. Based on your DPS values, you are running the default config file. Are you running it via command line or GUI?
Last edited by OnosKT : 05/05/09 at 9:58 AM.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Edit2:
You are definitely not running the right config file. Based on your DPS values, you are running the default config file. Are you running it via command line or GUI? |
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
For gems, you should generally gem for stats that have > 2 EP, since AP gems are 32, and other stats are generally 16 gems. If nothing is > 2 EP, then AP gems are best. This should go without saying but always take into consideration socket bonuses. The worldbreaker pants for example have a socket bonus of 12 AP (so 12 EP).
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Also be wary of rating stats that go over 2.00, as they often change around with new upgrades (haste especially). I tend to just stack 32 AP gems (after hit/exp cap), as their value never changes.
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Originally Posted by Staticus
Blue socket bonuses always cost 16 ap (or equivalent) though, as green/purple gems only have half their budget spent on dps stats. So it should only be used to activate the meta, for yellow socket bonuses it's a bit cloudier so the sim is your friend.
Also be wary of rating stats that go over 2.00, as they often change around with new upgrades (haste especially). I tend to just stack 32 AP gems (after hit/exp cap), as their value never changes. |
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Originally Posted by Staticus
Blue socket bonuses always cost 16 ap (or equivalent) though, as green/purple gems only have half their budget spent on dps stats. So it should only be used to activate the meta, for yellow socket bonuses it's a bit cloudier so the sim is your friend.
Also be wary of rating stats that go over 2.00, as they often change around with new upgrades (haste especially). I tend to just stack 32 AP gems (after hit/exp cap), as their value never changes. |
I was trawling through the EnhSim v1.7.0 code, which is how I can make Rawr a lot better due to my understanding some nuances I'd missed. Yay for trivialities such as bosses innate 3 levels difference = 2.8175% fire & nature damage resistance. Whilst looking at the code I noted that the Damage Reduction calcs for Armour pen still seem to be using the old calcs.
GhostCrawler gave us the actual in game ones in World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> 116% Armor Pen only giving 66%!?!?!?!
All Rawr models use a common code block implemented as follows :
Forgive me if the newly revealed cap limitation is covered in the code elsewhere but I couldn't find it. So I thought I better bring it to your attention, in case this does need updating.
Edit: Whilst I'm on the subject the additional tests people have done now suggest boss armour is 10643 not 10645!!!
GhostCrawler gave us the actual in game ones in World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> 116% Armor Pen only giving 66%!?!?!?!
All Rawr models use a common code block implemented as follows :
public static float GetArmorDamageReduction(int AttackerLevel, float TargetArmor,
float ArmorIgnoreDebuffs, float ArmorIgnoreBuffs, float ArmorPenetrationRating)
{
float ArmorConstant = 400 + 85 * AttackerLevel + 4.5f * 85 * (AttackerLevel - 59);
TargetArmor *= (1f - ArmorIgnoreDebuffs) * (1f - ArmorIgnoreBuffs);
float ArPCap = Math.Min((TargetArmor + ArmorConstant) / 3f, TargetArmor);
TargetArmor -= ArPCap * Math.Min(1f, ArmorPenetrationRating / 1231.6239f);
return 1f - ArmorConstant / (ArmorConstant + TargetArmor);
}
Edit: Whilst I'm on the subject the additional tests people have done now suggest boss armour is 10643 not 10645!!!
I am getting strange results from the sim.
I want to compare a CL (LB if CL on CD) with a LB-only priority sequence.
I am getting 6263.85 for CL-LB and 6285.56 for LB-only.
And that's strange, considering I'm not simulating mana.
Is it a bug of the sim or there is a reason for the results?
these are the config file sections for the tests:
I want to compare a CL (LB if CL on CD) with a LB-only priority sequence.
I am getting 6263.85 for CL-LB and 6285.56 for LB-only.
And that's strange, considering I'm not simulating mana.
Is it a bug of the sim or there is a reason for the results?
these are the config file sections for the tests:
rotation_priority_count 10 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_CL rotation_priority4 MW5_LB rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 SS rotation_priority7 ES rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS rotation_priority10 LL
rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 LL
Chain Lightning does less dmg, because it doesn't scale as well with your spellpower. So you should only use it if there are 2 or more targets.
Chain Lightning has a higher base damage, but Lightning Bolt has a higher coefficient. At T7 gear levels and with a few raid buffs, LB will out-perform CL on single targets.
CL average base damage = 1042
LB average base damage = 765
CL coefficient = 0.641
LB coefficient = 0.794
The intersection point at which LB will start to do more damage on a single target is (1042-765) / (.794-.641) = 1810 spell power, easily achieved by a T7 geared Enhancement Shaman with raid buffs.
CL average base damage = 1042
LB average base damage = 765
CL coefficient = 0.641
LB coefficient = 0.794
The intersection point at which LB will start to do more damage on a single target is (1042-765) / (.794-.641) = 1810 spell power, easily achieved by a T7 geared Enhancement Shaman with raid buffs.
I have some questions about the Sim. I am starting to use it now, and i had some odd results:
I have already the yellow hit cap, counting raid buffs, even so, the sim is giving me an odd result, putting hit with more EP than AP, which i believe should be my priority after the hit/exp cap(dont have the exp yet).
simulation_time 5000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 5
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 190
max_lag 300
simulate_mana 0
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 1.00
ep_crit_rating 2.18
ep_hit_rating 1.59
ep_expertise 2.80
ep_haste_rating 1.78
ep_armor_penetration_rating 1.46
ep_spellpower 1.11
ep_dps 5.95 Had some doubts here: When i calculated the EP values, they give me the MH EP and the OH EP... So what should i put in here?
ep_mana 0
ep_spirit 0
ep_mp5 0
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 7
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 ES_SS
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 ES
rotation_priority5 LL
rotation_priority6 MT
rotation_priority7 LS
miss 8.0
dodge 6.5
glancing 24.0
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.0
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor 0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
replenishment 0
water_shield 0
mana_spring_totem 0
blessing_of_wisdom 0
judgement_of_wisdom 0
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir -
potion potion_of_speed
food blackened_dragonfin
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
race orc
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 143.6
mh_crit 28.84
oh_crit 28.84
mh_hit 17.34
oh_hit 17.34
mh_expertise_rating 18
oh_expertise_rating 18
ap 3461
melee_haste 4.12
armor_penetration 4.06
str 131
agi 748
int 453
spi 154
spellpower 1312
spell_crit 23.86
spell_hit 14.18
spell_haste 3.17
max_mana 10911
mp5 54
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 meteorite_whetstone
totem totem_of_splintering
set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2 naxx_melee_4
set_bonus3 -
metagem chaotic_skyfire_diamond
gloves_enchant -
cloak_enchant -
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 windfury_weapon
glyph_major3 shocking
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 1/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 0/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 5/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Please excuse me if im screwing something up, I just dont understand how my EP value of Hit can be higher than my AP value, i don't understand how the Sim can give me AP EP of only 1.00
I have already the yellow hit cap, counting raid buffs, even so, the sim is giving me an odd result, putting hit with more EP than AP, which i believe should be my priority after the hit/exp cap(dont have the exp yet).
simulation_time 5000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 5
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 190
max_lag 300
simulate_mana 0
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 1.00
ep_crit_rating 2.18
ep_hit_rating 1.59
ep_expertise 2.80
ep_haste_rating 1.78
ep_armor_penetration_rating 1.46
ep_spellpower 1.11
ep_dps 5.95 Had some doubts here: When i calculated the EP values, they give me the MH EP and the OH EP... So what should i put in here?
ep_mana 0
ep_spirit 0
ep_mp5 0
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0
bloodlust_casters 1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 7
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 ES_SS
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 ES
rotation_priority5 LL
rotation_priority6 MT
rotation_priority7 LS
miss 8.0
dodge 6.5
glancing 24.0
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.0
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor 0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
replenishment 0
water_shield 0
mana_spring_totem 0
blessing_of_wisdom 0
judgement_of_wisdom 0
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir -
potion potion_of_speed
food blackened_dragonfin
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
race orc
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.5
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 143.6
mh_crit 28.84
oh_crit 28.84
mh_hit 17.34
oh_hit 17.34
mh_expertise_rating 18
oh_expertise_rating 18
ap 3461
melee_haste 4.12
armor_penetration 4.06
str 131
agi 748
int 453
spi 154
spellpower 1312
spell_crit 23.86
spell_hit 14.18
spell_haste 3.17
max_mana 10911
mp5 54
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant mongoose
oh_enchant mongoose
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
trinket1 mirror_of_truth
trinket2 meteorite_whetstone
totem totem_of_splintering
set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2 naxx_melee_4
set_bonus3 -
metagem chaotic_skyfire_diamond
gloves_enchant -
cloak_enchant -
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 windfury_weapon
glyph_major3 shocking
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 1/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 0/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 2/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 5/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
Please excuse me if im screwing something up, I just dont understand how my EP value of Hit can be higher than my AP value, i don't understand how the Sim can give me AP EP of only 1.00
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Originally Posted by Haze
Please excuse me if im screwing something up, I just dont understand how my EP value of Hit can be higher than my AP value, i don't understand how the Sim can give me AP EP of only 1.00
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Originally Posted by Sansa
AP, as already explained in a post just a few above yours, is the baseline used to calculate the relative usefulness of all other stats. AP is always going to be 1 according to the sim. Your hit being aruond 1.5 means that 15 hit = 10 AP. But you'll notice that with gems, for instance, there are 32 AP gems and 16 hit rating gems. So unless the EP of hit is over 2, you would always gem AP. and hit is still useful past the spell cap because of white damage, I believe, which is why it still has value, although not as much as before you hit the cap.
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Thank you very much for the explanation. Now everything makes sense. I am sorry for not reading the post before asking the question.
But What about the DPS EP value? Should i add my MH with my OH value?
Last edited by Haze : 05/07/09 at 2:05 PM.
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I just had an upgrade (got Hemorraging ring, the one with exp rating) and updated my stats to recheck my EP values, and since then, i am getting weird random results: sometimes all values comes negative (??) sometimes they jsut dont make sense, and they are being different everytime i run a EP check... What can i do to fix this?
Also, the EP value for Expertise is often showing as 0, or as < than 2, and i'm not capped (5.5%, expertise 22) so that also doesn't make sense...
Also, the EP value for Expertise is often showing as 0, or as < than 2, and i'm not capped (5.5%, expertise 22) so that also doesn't make sense...
Last edited by Haze : 05/07/09 at 3:10 PM.
ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 1.00 ep_crit_rating 2.18 ep_hit_rating 1.59 ep_expertise 2.80 ep_haste_rating 1.78 ep_armor_penetration_rating 1.46 ep_spellpower 1.11 ep_dps 5.95
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 1.00 ep_crit_rating 2.18 ep_hit_rating 1.59 ep_expertise 2.80 ep_haste_rating 1.78 ep_armor_penetration_rating 1.46 ep_spellpower 1.11 ep_dps 5.95 |
So i don't ever touch the values of the EP bracket?
I should put the default values again? Doing so will give me accurate EP values?
I put the default values (including 4 in expertise to get it capped) but its still showing expertise EP over 2, and it's giving me very different results every time i run the EP check
1. Are you expertise caped? No - of course your expertise EP value will be over 2. And no, putting 4 in the ep_expertise in the config does not cap it (but I am too tired to explain what that does for the xth time - please read the enhsim wiki)
2. Set simulation_time 5000 to something like 10000 and values should stabilize. If not post your config, and I'll try and see if I get the same results.
2. Set simulation_time 5000 to something like 10000 and values should stabilize. If not post your config, and I'll try and see if I get the same results.
so, I got myself [The Masticator] and I would have expected a simulated increase in DPS over [Calamity's Grasp] but it doesn't look like it's going to work out that way. Even if I input identical stats (assuming TM has the same stats as CG) but different weapon speed values, the 2.6 always seems to win out over the 2.7. Is this because of flurry? ie; over time more swings will be awarded to the offhand. It was my assumption that the increased SS/WF damage would far outweigh that anomaly.
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Originally Posted by Quirk
so, I got myself [The Masticator] and I would have expected a simulated increase in DPS over [Calamity's Grasp] but it doesn't look like it's going to work out that way. Even if I input identical stats (assuming TM has the same stats as CG) but different weapon speed values, the 2.6 always seems to win out over the 2.7. Is this because of flurry? ie; over time more swings will be awarded to the offhand. It was my assumption that the increased SS/WF damage would far outweigh that anomaly.
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I believe for cases like this Rouncer suggested modifying the weapon speed in the simulator by .01. This should give you more realistic values.
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Originally Posted by Haze
I have some questions about the Sim. I am starting to use it now, and i had some odd results:
I have already the yellow hit cap, counting raid buffs, even so, the sim is giving me an odd result, putting hit with more EP than AP, which i believe should be my priority after the hit/exp cap(dont have the exp yet). ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 1.00 ep_crit_rating 2.18 ep_hit_rating 1.59 ep_expertise 2.80 ep_haste_rating 1.78 ep_armor_penetration_rating 1.46 ep_spellpower 1.11 ep_dps 5.95 Had some doubts here: When i calculated the EP values, they give me the MH EP and the OH EP... So what should i put in here? ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 |
Second WHAT ON EARTH are you doing changing the EP config values, DO NOT CHANGE THEM IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Clearly you have no idea. You DON'T change the INPUT values in the config to what you get as the OUTPUT values, ie: the results, thats just clueless.
READ the documentation its very clear what the values mean, they are STEPS ie: the amount the sim adds to your current AP, Agi, Haste, Hit, etc to see what the dps difference is. So by changing the EP AP value to 1.00 you are saying do a calculation with my current Attack Power and get a base dps figure. Now run the sim again with ONE extra AP and get a new dps result. WHY WHY WHY??? Adding a step of ONE attack power is utterly meaningless and absolutely guaranteed to give you crap results.
Put everything back to the defaults and don't touch them again.
BTW you said you are not Exp capped??? Why on earth not? You cap expertise BEFORE you go for spell hit cap as expertise capping has a far higher effect on your dps than spell hit capping. Your post is bordering on the clueless and asking for a ban.
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While simming some new gear yesterday to decide when I can lose my Naxx 2 and 4 set bonus for the t8 ones, I had a question for the Enhsim developer.
If I have the 4 piece Naxx set bonus tagged in Enhsim do I have to tag the 2 piece set bonus also or does the 4 set bonus include the 2 set bonus? I do not want to double up on the 2 piece set bonus.
If I have the 4 piece Naxx set bonus tagged in Enhsim do I have to tag the 2 piece set bonus also or does the 4 set bonus include the 2 set bonus? I do not want to double up on the 2 piece set bonus.
Last edited by Gak : 05/07/09 at 8:09 PM.
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I am having two small problems with Enhsim.
One being that I don't fully understand how to use EP Ranges.
Example: EP Hit goes past with spells.
I go into the EP tab and see the range for Hit Rating is 30. Do I decrease the 30 until I no longer see the message "EP Hit goes past with spells"?
Also I am seeing something strange with my EP when calculated which could be attributed to my lack of knowledge towards EP Ranges. No matter what I do the EP Value of my AP is lower then my Crit by a significant amount normally.
Example:
AP - 1.00
Crit Rating - 2.14
Hit Rating - 1.48
Expertise Rating - 3.05
Haste Rating - 1.55
Armor Penetration Rating - 1.73
Spellpower - 1.02
MH DPS - 6.70
Oh DPS - 3.28
Strength - 1.10
Agility - 1.69
Intelligence - 1.51
Now I assume AP would be higher point for point then Crit Rating. Is there something I am doing wrong? My EP Ranges are as follows.
Precision - 2 Decimal Digits
Base Stat - AP
Attack Power - 200
Crit Rating -30
Hit Rating - 30
Expertise - 4
Haste Rating - 30
Armor Penetration Rating - 30
Spellpower - 150
DPS - 7.5
I am normally simulating 5x5000 and then averaging the number for the EP Values.
Another quick question in the MH Expertise Rating Clipboard. Do I fill in the Expertise I have? or do I fill in the amount of Expertise I have.
One being that I don't fully understand how to use EP Ranges.
Example: EP Hit goes past with spells.
I go into the EP tab and see the range for Hit Rating is 30. Do I decrease the 30 until I no longer see the message "EP Hit goes past with spells"?
Also I am seeing something strange with my EP when calculated which could be attributed to my lack of knowledge towards EP Ranges. No matter what I do the EP Value of my AP is lower then my Crit by a significant amount normally.
Example:
AP - 1.00
Crit Rating - 2.14
Hit Rating - 1.48
Expertise Rating - 3.05
Haste Rating - 1.55
Armor Penetration Rating - 1.73
Spellpower - 1.02
MH DPS - 6.70
Oh DPS - 3.28
Strength - 1.10
Agility - 1.69
Intelligence - 1.51
Now I assume AP would be higher point for point then Crit Rating. Is there something I am doing wrong? My EP Ranges are as follows.
Precision - 2 Decimal Digits
Base Stat - AP
Attack Power - 200
Crit Rating -30
Hit Rating - 30
Expertise - 4
Haste Rating - 30
Armor Penetration Rating - 30
Spellpower - 150
DPS - 7.5
I am normally simulating 5x5000 and then averaging the number for the EP Values.
Another quick question in the MH Expertise Rating Clipboard. Do I fill in the Expertise I have? or do I fill in the amount of Expertise I have.
Last edited by Traumatism : 05/07/09 at 9:10 PM.
Again, why would you assume AP would be higher point for point than crit rating? Considering you have the choice of gemming 32 AP or 16 crit, it would be a little OP if AP was point for point better than crit.
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I've been consistently getting a value for Haste larger than 2. Now significantly so. Am I doing something wrong?
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 1 min_lag 100 max_lag 150 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 7 rotation_priority1 FS rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 LS rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 25.00 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 1.80 mh_dps 156.6 oh_dps 143.3 mh_crit 31.41 oh_crit 31.41 mh_hit 10.86 oh_hit 10.86 mh_expertise_rating 146.00 oh_expertise_rating 146.00 ap 3626 melee_haste 9.99 armor_penetration 4.63 str 131 agi 790 int 506 spi 155 spellpower 1087 spell_crit 24.24 spell_hit 13.57 spell_haste 7.69 max_mana 11706 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 2673 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 40256 totem 40322 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
EnhSim version 1.7.0 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.71364% (44.9522 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5347.02 ap 1.00 0.53 5381.23 34.22 crit rating 1.83 0.98 5392.04 45.03 hit rating 1.72 0.92 5374.57 27.56 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5347.02 haste rating 2.10 1.12 5384.09 37.08 armor penetration rating 1.67 0.89 5360.41 13.39 spellpower 1.07 0.57 5363.05 16.03 mh dps 5.99 3.20 5379.03 32.01 oh dps 2.62 1.40 5361.00 13.98 strength 1.10 agility 1.75 intelligence* 1.38 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5347.02 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5347.02 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5347.02 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.83, HitRating=1.72, HasteRating=2.10, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.67, SpellDamage=1.07, MainHandDps=5.99, OffHandDps=2.62, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.75, Intellect=1.38, Spirit=0.00, Mana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=2.10&dps=5.99&mp5=0.00&mcr=1.83&odps=2.62&spd=1.07&Agi=1.75&mhit=1.72&Int=1.38&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.67&Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 100000.00h elapsed real time: 532.20s simulation speed: 676433x
Last edited by bengali : 05/08/09 at 2:37 AM.
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Originally Posted by Gak
If I have the 4 piece Naxx set bonus tagged in Enhsim do I have to tag the 2 piece set bonus also or does the 4 set bonus include the 2 set bonus? I do not want to double up on the 2 piece set bonus.
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Originally Posted by Butu
There was a discussion about this earlier - if you tag both bonuses, you will get double 2/4 piece set bonus. 4/4 set bonus already includes the 2/4 set bonus, so the answer is no, you do not tag both bonuses.
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Originally Posted by Levva
First PLEASE put code blocks around configs so we don't have to scroll through great long lists.
Second WHAT ON EARTH are you doing changing the EP config values, DO NOT CHANGE THEM IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Clearly you have no idea. You DON'T change the INPUT values in the config to what you get as the OUTPUT values, ie: the results, thats just clueless. READ the documentation its very clear what the values mean, they are STEPS ie: the amount the sim adds to your current AP, Agi, Haste, Hit, etc to see what the dps difference is. So by changing the EP AP value to 1.00 you are saying do a calculation with my current Attack Power and get a base dps figure. Now run the sim again with ONE extra AP and get a new dps result. WHY WHY WHY??? Adding a step of ONE attack power is utterly meaningless and absolutely guaranteed to give you crap results. Put everything back to the defaults and don't touch them again. BTW you said you are not Exp capped??? Why on earth not? You cap expertise BEFORE you go for spell hit cap as expertise capping has a far higher effect on your dps than spell hit capping. Your post is bordering on the clueless and asking for a ban. |
I already know everything you said about yellow and exp caps, but im using the sim to discover something i DON'T know about my stats. That's why i wanted to cap these values. You shouldn't be so arrogant and just think about it and see what i was doing. The values i changed i really screwed up, i thank the people who told me not to touch them, at least they told me so with respect. I completely misunderstood the imput values, and now i'm understanding.
I don't understand how can i be asking for a ban for trying to get explanation about my doubts, as stupid as they might see to you, there might be other people with the same questions. I also don't understand the lack of comprehension towards a completely new WoW player trying to improve and understand a game with so many detais.
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Originally Posted by Haze
I already know everything you said about yellow and exp caps, but im using the sim to discover something i DON'T know about my stats. That's why i wanted to cap these values. You shouldn't be so arrogant and just think about it and see what i was doing. The values i changed i really screwed up, i thank the people who told me not to touch them, at least they told me so with respect. I completely misunderstood the imput values, and now i'm understanding.
I don't understand how can i be asking for a ban for trying to get explanation about my doubts, as stupid as they might see to you, there might be other people with the same questions. I also don't understand the lack of comprehension towards a completely new WoW player trying to improve and understand a game with so many detais. |
Unfortunately the last few pages have been taken up by newbie post after newbie post asking for BASIC details of how the sim works. THIS IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD and definitely not the purpose of this forum.
In order to try to be helpful I can suggest that if you want information and advice I'd happily answer such questions on the shammy forum at mmo-champion Class - Shaman which is much more suited to this sort of discussion. This forum is NOT for hand holding how do I do this questions. You are posting in the WRONG PLACE hence my frustration. Please read the forum rules at http://elitistjerks.com/f15/announcements.html
To the mods. Can we clean up this thread its getting seriously off message.
Last edited by Levva : 05/08/09 at 8:56 AM.
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In the first place this thread is for improving the simulator.
But Levva is right (even if he sounds like a choleric type): A lot of questions here are obsolete. You can find a lot of help, explanation and guides on the EnhSim page (EnhSim). Everyone should know how the sim works before modifying the config files.
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Originally Posted by bengali
I've been consistently getting a value for Haste larger than 2. Now significantly so. Am I doing something wrong?
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On a small note: looking at your config you have a 1.8 speed OH. I highly advise changing it to a slow weapon. Since that weapon's DPS is only 143 you should be able to get the tournament slow OH and you should see a fairly good DPS upgrade.
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Originally Posted by Peterle
Well, for the threadstarter and author of this very usefull piece of software (Tukez) this is the right place for questions on problems with the sim (if they aren't covered in the FAQ or something similar).
In the first place this thread is for improving the simulator. But Levva is right (even if he sounds like a choleric type): A lot of questions here are obsolete. You can find a lot of help, explanation and guides on the EnhSim page (EnhSim). Everyone should know how the sim works before modifying the config files. |
I agree. I am sorry levva, I'll research the mechanics of the Sim before asking trivial questions in the future.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
It is quite normal to get haste > 2 post 3.1 (I have personally not gotten haste over 2.00 but I know a number of people have based on posts) since melee gains 30% more from it.
On a small note: looking at your config you have a 1.8 speed OH. I highly advise changing it to a slow weapon. Since that weapon's DPS is only 143 you should be able to get the tournament slow OH and you should see a fairly good DPS upgrade. |
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Originally Posted by HRAE
I'm also getting strangely high EP values for haste. It simed decent (~1.8) prepatch, so it's no surprise it performs well after, but I'm getting values close to 2.7 with everything else looking the same.
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I also have been getting 2.7 haste value lately with my regular config. Not completely 100% on this but i believe it has something to do with the breaking of the t7 4set bonus?
Edit: Nah, it doesn't.
Edit: Nah, it doesn't.
Last edited by Trollpriest : 05/10/09 at 4:47 AM.
Thanks for the advice you gave after my previous post, unfortunately after i changed the settings to the correct ones i'm still getting the same problem:
This is my set up as of today:
Thanks in advance.
Set bonus not found. Set bonus not found. Set bonus not found. Enchant not found. melee_haste not found from config. spell_haste not found from config. Config is incomplete. Fix the above config options and rerun EnhSim.
simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 100 max_lag 100 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW3_CL rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### ############################### ## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ## ############################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.60 mh_dps 156.5 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 25.66 oh_crit 25.66 mh_hit 10.40 oh_hit 10.40 mh_expertise_rating 143.00 oh_expertise_rating 143.00 ap 3472 haste 4.96 armor_penetration 8.28 str 131 agi 812 int 478 spi 155 spellpower 1041 spell_crit 18.06 spell_hit 13.00 max_mana 11286 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant - trinket1 pyrite_infuser trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus naxx_melee_2 metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant hyperspeed_accelerators glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 lava_lash glyph_major3 flametongue_weapon glyph_minor1 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor2 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim glyph_minor3 - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/2 lava_flows 0/1 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/2 lava_flows 0/1 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/3
I think you are pointing to an old EnhSim executable.
Maybe, but unless they've released one in the past day, probably not. 
I'm using 1.7.0, but i'll check again, just in case.
I'm using 1.7.0, but i'll check again, just in case.Ultrin, it tells you exactly what the error is in the error message is if you read it. You are missing melee_haste and spell_haste from the config file. I'm not sure this is still the case, but for a long time the export function of SAA wasn't updated to work with the latest enhsim so it is(was?) missing things and doesn't work. It got to the point that I ended up writing my own standalone replacement because I got tired of manually putting those stats and my set bonuses in by hand. As an added bonus it let me delete SAA as it was the only thing I was using it for at the time...
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Originally Posted by Paenor
Ultrin, it tells you exactly what the error is in the error message is if you read it. You are missing melee_haste and spell_haste from the config file. I'm not sure this is still the case, but for a long time the export function of SAA wasn't updated to work with the latest enhsim so it is(was?) missing things and doesn't work. It got to the point that I ended up writing my own standalone replacement because I got tired of manually putting those stats and my set bonuses in by hand. As an added bonus it let me delete SAA as it was the only thing I was using it for at the time...
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So really the fact that users don't bother updating to the latest version of ShockAndAwe is really not my fault. He is also using an old default config file plain and simple. Its easy to see...
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
Should be percentages for instance and the ShockAndAwe export is out of date too. If he was using v4.34 he would have all the extra fields that were added IN CONSULTATION WITH Tukez. We specifically co-ordinated on the change so that users could have as smooth as possible transition to patch 3.1. We cannot control the randomness of users not bothering to keep their addons and applications up to date.
Last edited by Levva : 05/11/09 at 7:22 AM.
I was also getting inconsistent EP values for haste. Ranging from 1.37 to 2.2 or so, with the same gear, same stats. This was in ENHSIM 1.6.8. I updated to 1.7.0 and now haste dropped back down to steady sub 2.0. I'm sitting on 4 pc t8, and insanity's grasp/vulmir.
One question I do have, every sim I've run rates dual vulmir as better than insanity's grasp/vulmir. And in some cases, CG is on par, or slightly better than insanity's grasp. does this MH just blow that hard? I'm beginning to regret spending dkp on it.
One question I do have, every sim I've run rates dual vulmir as better than insanity's grasp/vulmir. And in some cases, CG is on par, or slightly better than insanity's grasp. does this MH just blow that hard? I'm beginning to regret spending dkp on it.
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Originally Posted by Axekilla
I'm beginning to regret spending dkp on it.
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Insanity's Grip beats the pants off Calamity's Grasp. Vulmir is roughly equal to Insanity's Grip since it really depends on whether you are spell hit capped or not before gems as to which one is better. Personally I would be happy with either weapon in my mainhand and wouldn't worry about the minor stat differences between them.
Upgrades for mainhand over either of those are the Masticator and Golden Dragon, so look towards getting one of those (Dragon being BiS) instead of worrying about snagging a second Vulmir.
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Originally Posted by Axekilla
I was also getting inconsistent EP values for haste. Ranging from 1.37 to 2.2 or so, with the same gear, same stats. This was in ENHSIM 1.6.8. I updated to 1.7.0 and now haste dropped back down to steady sub 2.0. I'm sitting on 4 pc t8, and insanity's grasp/vulmir.
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Originally Posted by Levva
This is absolute crap. ShockAndAwe had a maximum of a few days between a new version of EnhSim being out and the export functions being added....
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I was also not calling SAA bad. I used it for a very long time and only stopped because I had a lot of features disabled, and had replaced others with my own that displayed the data more to my liking. As a result it felt silly to have it around just to export my stats.
Did you get set bonus scanning into it too? I don't see it in the change log. Do you want my function to do it? It's not overly large. Only thing is I didn't bother adding the itemIDs for the older sets, as I personally never planned on using them again. Not hard to change that though, I just didn't want to spend the time transcribing any more numbers than I already had.
Uhh, anyways in a effort to be more on the topic of the thread.., I've been seeing the same thing as you zomghax. My haste stays constant running a sim multiple times with the same gear, but jumps around when I change it a little bit. Currently it's weighted my lowest stat. Even lower than ArP. I assume from your post I can infer that you are making a graph? If so, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the trend on that one.
Edit: Any chance of also seeing what ability it is that's causing the coldspot as well? I bet it's because of windfury again...
Last edited by Paenor : 05/11/09 at 5:04 PM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
So really the fact that users don't bother updating to the latest version of ShockAndAwe is really not my fault. He is also using an old default config file plain and simple. Its easy to see...
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 |
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Originally Posted by zomghax
I am running a series of simulations (v 1.7.0) in my current gear, replacing my melee Haste value with every Haste value from 0% to 25% in 0.5% increments. So far what I am seeing is that there are a large number of "cold spots" between 8% Haste and 16% Haste where the EP value will drop below 1.5. After that it seems to pick back up again. I'm not really ready to post my results yet because I'm not done; even doing 5000 hour sims it still takes time to do 51 of them.
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As a result of this data i've been attempting to hold exp cap, spell hit cap, 10% haste, 6% arp, 33% melee crit, 24% spell crit, and the rest has been back to AP Stacking.
Anyone else find different values for these tests or perhaps see a flaw in this reasoning that indicates we shouldn't go back to AP stacking at 1.5-1.6 weapon speeds while raid buffed?
Missing Something?
I've been a long time follower of the Enhancement and Elemental threads on EJ. I've been recently using Rawr 2.2.2, and EnhSim 1.7.0. I simmed my current gear which, I'm trying to determine the best gem/enchant path. Rawr has been giving me bazaar results related to gemming. Here are the my EnhSim configs, and the EP value calculated. Its valuing Int way higher then any other stat.
Here are the EP results:
I have to believe there is something wrong with my config, but when I do a normal DPS Simulation with the same setup, it comes out accruate.
Any help would be appreciated.
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 6 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 LL rotation_priority6 MT miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 32.50 oh_crit 32.50 mh_hit 9.88 oh_hit 9.88 mh_expertise_rating 151 oh_expertise_rating 151 ap 3913 melee_haste 7.73 armor_penetration 12.67 str 125 agi 853 int 528 spi 145 spellpower 1173 spell_crit 26.71 spell_hit 17 spell_haste 5.95 max_mana 12036 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 mirror_of_truth totem totem_of_the_dancing_flame set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41398 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 lightning_shield glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 3/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Here are the EP results:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 4750.82 ap 1.00 0.50 4782.64 31.82 crit rating 2.29 1.14 4803.11 52.29 hit rating 3.25 1.62 4799.29 48.48 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -4750.82 haste rating 1.86 0.92 4781.27 30.45 armor penetration rating 1.77 0.88 4764.04 13.22 spellpower 0.84 0.42 4762.49 11.67 mh dps 6.32 3.14 4782.26 31.45 oh dps 3.32 1.65 4767.33 16.51 strength 1.10 agility 1.83 intelligence 4.32 spirit 0.13 0.07 4757.48 6.67 mana 0.16 0.08 4766.75 15.93 mp5 6.29 3.13 4813.40 62.58
DPS PPM MPS white 1835.17 31.05% 78.68 windfury 752.10 12.73% 6.43 flametongue 523.28 8.85% 50.16 stormstrike 414.44 7.01% 6.74 0.00 0.00% lava lash 350.70 5.93% 8.46 16.77 10.28% magma totem 519.07 8.78% 2.70 50.27 30.80% earth shock 611.88 10.35% 9.55 38.55 23.62% lightning bolt 903.09 15.28% 9.68 57.63 35.31% DPS 5909.73 MPS 163.22 MP2min 19586.73 MRPS 0.00 Out of mana time 0.00% elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 39.77s simulation speed: 905250x
Even though your not simulating mana... you have your MP5 at 0... its possible that might be messing something up, since its also giving you very very high values for MP5
the DPS sim looks like it has properly ignored mana, but it would seem the EP simulation has not.
the DPS sim looks like it has properly ignored mana, but it would seem the EP simulation has not.
You are basically running out of mana in the view of the EP calculator. It is a bit weird since you disable simulate mana (and this is why the simulator runs fine), but it looks like the EP calculator does not take that into account.
That config has two issues - you are not using spirit wolves or shamanistic rage. Enable SW and SR in the GUI and put them at the top.
Are you sure you are using that config though? I've just run the posted config in my EnhSim and this is what I get
That config has two issues - you are not using spirit wolves or shamanistic rage. Enable SW and SR in the GUI and put them at the top.
Are you sure you are using that config though? I've just run the posted config in my EnhSim and this is what I get
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5895.24 ap 1.00 0.58 5932.48 37.24 crit rating 1.82 1.06 5944.02 48.78 hit rating 1.65 0.96 5924.02 28.78 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5895.24 haste rating 2.05 1.19 5934.57 39.33 armor penetration rating 1.75 1.02 5910.51 15.27 spellpower 1.00 0.58 5911.48 16.24 mh dps 5.66 3.29 5928.17 32.93 oh dps 2.95 1.71 5912.38 17.14 strength 1.10 agility 1.73 intelligence* 1.41 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5895.24 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5895.24 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -5895.24
It's also giving you a value of 3.25 for Hit even though you've told it that you have 17% spell hit AND a spell hit buff in the raid. Sorry to state the obvious but something is goofy. Are you sure that the GUI is looking at the 1.7.0 executable? (bottom right hand corner)
Yea, I'm positive I'm using that config, and I verified that I'm pointing to the 1.7 exe. Even the output says 1.7... Below is same config for me with SR/SW enabled.
And the EP calc.
So does that mean there is a bug in EnhSim when your not using SW/SR for EP.
DPS PPM MPS white 1835.59 29.74% 78.68 windfury 752.68 12.2% 6.43 flametongue 523.19 8.48% 50.16 stormstrike 414.56 6.72% 6.74 0.00 0.00% lava lash 350.67 5.68% 8.46 16.77 10.11% magma totem 519.17 8.41% 2.70 50.27 30.30% earth shock 611.94 9.92% 9.55 38.56 23.24% lightning bolt 902.33 14.62% 9.67 57.57 34.69% spirit wolves 261.56 4.24% 0.33 2.75 1.66% DPS 6171.69 MPS 165.93 MP2min 19911.12 MRPS 0.00 Out of mana time 0.00% elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 20.54s simulation speed: 1753104x
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6171.70 ap 1.00 0.60 6210.27 38.57 crit rating 1.79 1.08 6221.23 49.53 hit rating 1.47 0.89 6198.35 26.66 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6171.70 haste rating 1.92 1.16 6209.96 38.27 armor penetration rating 1.52 0.92 6185.48 13.79 spellpower 0.87 0.52 6186.32 14.62 mh dps 5.42 3.27 6204.38 32.68 oh dps 2.75 1.66 6188.28 16.59 strength 1.10 agility 1.72 intelligence* 1.41 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6171.70 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6171.70 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6171.70
Nope, my run was with your posted config (no changes to it). The fact that expertise was so high and that it was simulating mana suggests to me that something happened when the config was loaded.
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Originally Posted by zomghax
I am running a series of simulations (v 1.7.0) in my current gear, replacing my melee Haste value with every Haste value from 0% to 25% in 0.5% increments. So far what I am seeing is that there are a large number of "cold spots" between 8% Haste and 16% Haste where the EP value will drop below 1.5. After that it seems to pick back up again. I'm not really ready to post my results yet because I'm not done; even doing 5000 hour sims it still takes time to do 51 of them.
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I recently got Stonerender (1.6 speed, 178.8 DPS OH) and simmed it to compare my dps upgrade over Pride (2.5 speed, 143.6 DPS OH) and after various sims i discovered that trading Pride for Stonerender would give me 120 DPS loss. I did not see anyone giving such a clarified statement about OH Speed, and by stonerender being very superior to pride, i think it's safe to conclude that for Enhancement Shamans, there is ONLY slow weapons.
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Meta Gem bonus crit damage
From reading the description of Meta Gem damage it seems that it should change the crit damage multiplier for melee from 2 to 2.03 ie: physical crits instead of doing double damage (ie: +100% damage) they do 103% extra damage.
Is this correct?
If it is correct then the v1.7.0 of the Sim has a fairly serious bug as it is multiplying by 1.03 onto the existing 2.00 giving a physical_crit_multiplier of 2.06 ie: 6% bonus crit damage.
I've not properly checked spell_crit_multipler however the code for metagems does
So I suspect spell_crit would similarly suffer as I have observed values of 2.09 for spell_crit_multiplier.
If I have misunderstood the meta gem effect and the sim is accurate I do apologise in advance for the confusion. I'm seeing clarification here so we can get it fixed if it is an issue.
Edit: Check out [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] if you click on the bonus effect you get to Increase Critical Damage 3% - Spell - World of Warcraft now note the effect :
This is a side issue but does Relentless Earthsiege really only give 3% bonus MELEE crit? and not also 3% bonus spell crit? Has anyone tested this? EnhSim & Rawr.Enhance both assume 3% melee & spell crit and so both may be wrong, or Wowhead may be wrong.
Is this correct?
If it is correct then the v1.7.0 of the Sim has a fairly serious bug as it is multiplying by 1.03 onto the existing 2.00 giving a physical_crit_multiplier of 2.06 ie: 6% bonus crit damage.
I've not properly checked spell_crit_multipler however the code for metagems does
physical_crit_multiplier_ *= 1.03f;
spell_crit_multiplier_ *= 1.03f;
If I have misunderstood the meta gem effect and the sim is accurate I do apologise in advance for the confusion. I'm seeing clarification here so we can get it fixed if it is an issue.
Edit: Check out [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] if you click on the bonus effect you get to Increase Critical Damage 3% - Spell - World of Warcraft now note the effect :
Apply Aura: Mod Crit Damage Bonus (Melee) (895) Value: 3
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If the tooltip is correct then the formula in the sim is correct as well.
The wording for a dmg multiplyer of 2.03 would be "3% Increased Critical Strike Damage Bonus" like Lethality - Spell - World of Warcraft for example.
The wording for a dmg multiplyer of 2.03 would be "3% Increased Critical Strike Damage Bonus" like Lethality - Spell - World of Warcraft for example.
You can't put too much faith in tool-tips being correct. Small variations like that can be meaningful, sometimes not.
A test on live would be to calculate the theoretical max damage from a crit with a 203% multiplier and for 206%. If you get a hit within 203-206 the latter is the correct one. This probably means you should go in with an empty spec, no weapon enchants, no proc abilities and such to make the max values more complex to calculate.
A test on live would be to calculate the theoretical max damage from a crit with a 203% multiplier and for 206%. If you get a hit within 203-206 the latter is the correct one. This probably means you should go in with an empty spec, no weapon enchants, no proc abilities and such to make the max values more complex to calculate.
This has already been tested back at 70 and afaik the result was that the bonus increases the final damage by 3%, i.e. 200% dmg -> 206% dmg, 230% dmg->236.9% dmg. More information can be found for examle here.
Sim Results not Matching WWS Theorycraft: Crit vs. Hit
With a pre-Ulduar almost BiS gearset, spell-hit capped, Sim Results are giving values of Hit ~1.5 and Crit ~1.7.
This seems to match some of the other Sim results in this thread.
However, looking through a WWS parse, and calculating hit and crit effects yields a vastly different result: Hit is roughly 40% the relative value of Crit.
WWS parse used: Wow Web Stats
Percent DPS increase from 1% hit or 1 hit rating:
Percent DPS increase from 1% crit or 1 crit rating:
Therefore 1 hit rating above spell cap = 0.40 crit rating at this gearing level.
This means that crit rating is roughly 2.5x as valuable as hit rating.
Or, if crit = 1.7 EP, then hit = 0.7 EP
This differs from the sim value by a factor of 2:1.
Any ideas what's going on? Am I doing something wrong in the WWS theorycraft, or is the sim off?
This seems to match some of the other Sim results in this thread.
However, looking through a WWS parse, and calculating hit and crit effects yields a vastly different result: Hit is roughly 40% the relative value of Crit.
WWS parse used: Wow Web Stats
Percent DPS increase from 1% hit or 1 hit rating:
White hits: 1686 @ 793 avg (non-crit hits + glancing), and 1513 @ 1854 (crit), 816 @ 693 (glancing), 245 Misses, 58 Parries. Avg non-crit white hit damage = (1686*793-816*693)/(1686-816) = 887 White hit weighting: 1854 @ .43 (crit), 887 @ .25 (normal), 693 @ .23 (glancing), 0 @ .07 (miss), 0 @ .017 (parry) Total: 1178 If hit is increased by 1%: White hit weighting: 1854 @ .43 (crit), 887 @ .26 (normal), 693 @ .23 (glancing), 0 @ .06 (miss), 0 @ .017 (parry) Total: 1187 %-increase: 0.78% White hits are 28% of total DPS from that WWS. Total Increase in DPS due to 1% hit increase: 0.22% Total Increase in DPS due to 1 hit rating (32.79 rating = 1% hit): 0.00669 % (above spell hit cap)
Firstly, calculate a formula for the % increase in dps from an ability when the ability (a) cannot miss, (b) is not crit-capped: Critical Hit: c @ r, where c = avg crit amt, and r = crit rate expressed as proportion Normal Hit: n @ 1- r, where n = avg normal hit amt. Value of 1% crit = (.01 + r)c+(.99-r)n ------------------------ r*c+(1-r)*n Secondly, list all abilities that fall under this criteria: From the All Bosses WWS: Ability: n,c,r Magma Totem: 748,1572,.31 Windfury: 1939,4028,.42 Earth Shock: 2585,5429,.36 Flametongue: 445,937,.36 L.Bolt: 3683,7443,.32 Stormstrike: 875,1860,.43 C.Lightning: 2492,5528,.32 Lava Lash: 1157,2432,.43 Searing Totem: 632,1342,.32 Thirdly, also calculate values for white swing (converts one hit into crit, at a lower rate b/c of misses and glancings) Fourthly, sum up all these increases: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=r5sWM1yb9oTVQDZJzBZlDIw&hl=en Total Increase in DPS due to 1% crit increase: 0.007576365406625 = 0.76% Total Increase in DPS due to 1 crit rating: 0.000165026473679 = 0.0165%
This means that crit rating is roughly 2.5x as valuable as hit rating.
Or, if crit = 1.7 EP, then hit = 0.7 EP
This differs from the sim value by a factor of 2:1.
Any ideas what's going on? Am I doing something wrong in the WWS theorycraft, or is the sim off?
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Originally Posted by cordelliia
Any ideas what's going on? Am I doing something wrong in the WWS theorycraft, or is the sim off?
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Originally Posted by Ouktaar
I don't see where you are factoring in the additional Flametongue, Static Shock, and Maelstrom Weapon damage from having additional white swings hit.
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Reposting:
Total Increase in white DPS due to 1% hit increase: 0.22% 1% hit increases melee hits by 1.1%, increasing FT, MW, and SS, as well: FT is 9% of total damage, LB & CL are 12% of total damage, and SS is 4% of total damage. Total: 25% Total DPS increase from FT, MW, and SS: 0.27% Total White + Spell Dmg increase from 1% hit rating: 0.49% Total Increase in DPS due to 1 hit rating (32.79 rating = 1% hit): 0.01509 % (above spell hit cap)
Total Increase in DPS due to 1 crit rating: 0.000165026473679 = 0.0165%
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Bug or am I missing something
EnhSim 1.7.0 ...
I'm running the sim with my actual gear. I've ran it several different ways with the glyphs that I'm using, with no glyphs, and with single glyphs to sim out the DPS gains. For some reason everytime I sim with no Glyphs and with Lightning Shield Glyph they come out to be the same DPS.
Base DPS without Glyphs:
6205 DPS : Totem of Hex
6189 DPS : Totem of Dancing Flame
Lightning Shield Glyph:
6204 DPS : Totem of Hex (-1 DPS of Base Hex)
6189 DPS : Totem of Dancing Flame (Equal to Base Flame)
Any idea why this would sim the same?
I'm running the sim with my actual gear. I've ran it several different ways with the glyphs that I'm using, with no glyphs, and with single glyphs to sim out the DPS gains. For some reason everytime I sim with no Glyphs and with Lightning Shield Glyph they come out to be the same DPS.
Base DPS without Glyphs:
6205 DPS : Totem of Hex
6189 DPS : Totem of Dancing Flame
Lightning Shield Glyph:
6204 DPS : Totem of Hex (-1 DPS of Base Hex)
6189 DPS : Totem of Dancing Flame (Equal to Base Flame)
Any idea why this would sim the same?
Last edited by Zensai : 05/13/09 at 3:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by Zensai
EnhSim 1.7.0 ...
I'm running the sim with my actual gear. I've ran it several different ways with the glyphs that I'm using, with no glyphs, and with single glyphs to sim out the DPS gains. For some reason everytime I sim with no Glyphs and with Lightning Shield Glyph they come out to be the same DPS. This leads me to believe because of the T8 bonuses, that the 20% is not being applied for both but just once. Base DPS without Glyphs: 6205 DPS : Totem of Hex 6189 DPS : Totem of Dancing Flame Lightning Shield Glyph: 6204 DPS : Totem of Hex (-1 DPS of Base Hex) 6189 DPS : Totem of Dancing Flame (Equal to Base Flame) Any idea why this would sim the same? |
wow.... ignore me... I missed that... now I have to redo all my large sim's on my glyph posting 
here is my config though for my gear and setup
here is my config though for my gear and setup
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 200 ep_spirit 100 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LL miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 33.11 oh_crit 33.11 mh_hit 11.34 oh_hit 11.34 mh_expertise_rating 143 oh_expertise_rating 143 ap 4104 melee_haste 7.73 armor_penetration 12.34 str 135 agi 904 int 530 spi 155 spellpower 1231 spell_crit 26.72 spell_hit 14.18 spell_haste 5.95 max_mana 12066 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 40256 totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41398 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 lightning_bolt glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by Zensai
wow.... ignore me... I missed that... now I have to redo all my large sim's on my glyph posting
here is my config though for my gear and setup |
min_lag 0 ~~~~~~~~ Should represent your actual lag ingame
max_lag 0 ~~~~~~~~Should represent your actual lag ingame
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 SR
rotation_priority3 MW5_LB
rotation_priority4 ES_SS
rotation_priority5 SS
rotation_priority6 ES
rotation_priority7 LS
rotation_priority8 MT ~~~~~~~~ Your magma totem does less damage than Lightning shield?
rotation_priority9 LL
armor 10645 ~~~~~~~~~Should be 13083
spellpower_buff 165/165 ~~~~~~~ should be 280 Totem of Wrath - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
potion - ~~~~~~~~~~Not using Haste Potions?
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Originally Posted by Vlyxnol
armor 10645 ~~~~~~~~~Should be 13083 spellpower_buff 165/165 ~~~~~~~ should be 280 Totem of Wrath - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft potion - ~~~~~~~~~~Not using Haste Potions? |
Next, if he doesn't have an Elemental Shaman but has a Resto Shaman then it should be 165 unless he has a Demo Lock and then the number becomes much more variable.
Why would anyone use Haste pots when Speed pots are available?
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Mr. Squiggly, first off it should be 10645 as of patch 3.1; please make sure you know the right answer before you correct someone else.
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figure as that extra 2 armour removed will make a huge difference to your dps. Tempted to say "please make sure you know the right answer before you correct someone else." but you were almost right.
Anyway onto the real reason for my post. F.A.O. Tukez : I've added support in Rawr.Enhance v2.2.4 for the following EnhSim config options : combat_length, flask_elixir, guardian_elixir, bloodlust_casters, potion, food
Can you amend the copy from clipboard in v1.7.1 to expect these options on a Rawr import. v2.2.4 should be released tonight.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Ah Mr Rouncer/Rounced, its actually 10643!!! The initial calculations have been refined to this new "far more accurate"
figure as that extra 2 armour removed will make a huge difference to your dps. Tempted to say "please make sure you know the right answer before you correct someone else." but you were almost right. Anyway onto the real reason for my post. F.A.O. Tukez : I've added support in Rawr.Enhance v2.2.4 for the following EnhSim config options : combat_length, flask_elixir, guardian_elixir, bloodlust_casters, potion, food Can you amend the copy from clipboard in v1.7.1 to expect these options on a Rawr import. v2.2.4 should be released tonight. |
EDIT: Tried to fix the typo but was banned before I could do it. Sorry if it offended anyone as it wasn't intended (double S on as = bad)
Last edited by Zaurok : 05/16/09 at 3:23 PM.
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Originally Posted by Zaurok
Good to know as the config.txt that comes with 1.7.0 has 10645 for armor.
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Originally Posted by Mavanas
I know Rallik has done extensive testing of boss armor on heroic dummy using BT, but here is just another independent confirmation. I asked a hunter to use Beast Lore on Sanctum Sentry, the boss level cat add of Auriaya in Ulduar. The armor is exactly 10643, which matches Rallik's testing.
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Last edited by Levva : 05/15/09 at 9:17 AM.
Didn't the 13k figure come from someone using beast lore on Maexxna though?
I think the new 10k figure is post-3.1 after the % change to armor debuffs.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Mr. Squiggly, first off it should be 10645 as of patch 3.1; please make sure you know the right answer before you correct someone else.
Next, if he doesn't have an Elemental Shaman but has a Resto Shaman then it should be 165 unless he has a Demo Lock and then the number becomes much more variable. Why would anyone use Haste pots when Speed pots are available? |
Sry for the wrong answer I've inquired about this twice before since 3.1 and no one has responded that 13k was incorrect. I did alot of reading on the subject to acquire the correct answer but apparently not enough. At least I finally got my answer I suppose.
"Haste" instead of "Speed" would be a typo.. though a detrimental one.
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Originally Posted by Saabu
Option 1: Can you clarify how I would do this? Simply switch the expertise rating I input to a negative value? I.e, -145
Option 2: How do I 'normalize' the expertise value? Appreciated |
I recently posted that I had been working on a series of simulations to observe changes in the EP value of Haste at different overall Haste levels. It has taken some time but I am finally ready to post my results.
My methodology was to perform a total of 51 x 5,000 hour simulations, testing every Haste value from 0% to 25% in 0.5% increments. This was done using my current paper doll values, except for melee haste which was manually changed for the tests. I also changed out my [Totem of Dueling] for [Totem of Hex] in the simulator to ensure that there would be no random Haste procs affecting the results.
Afterward I went back and performed 51 x 3,000 minute combat log simulations at each Haste level to determine the overall % DPS contribution from Windfury, suspecting that the EP value changes were likely caused by an interaction between swing speeds and the internal cooldown.
Here are my results in raw data form:
Here are the EP values for Haste and the Windfury % Damage Contribution presented as line charts:
From the data it is clear that between the values of 8% and 14% melee haste there are a number of "cold spots" where the EP value of Haste falls below 1.5 EP. This also happens again briefly at around 19% melee Haste. However, this isn't the case at every point. At 12% melee Haste, for example, the EP for Haste for 1.91.
It would appear as though one of the reasons why Haste is such a strong stat initially is its effect on Windfury, seen by the initial increase in DPS contribution. The Windfury decline which starts at ~ 7.5% is likely a root cause of the decline in EP value, but why are there still "hot spots" where Haste scores so highly?
My concern with the issue is that Haste becomes a real moving target once you start to move past 7% melee haste. Re-simming after a single upgrade can see your Haste value plummet, which can cause you to question gear choices, gems, enchants, etc. Even knowing that the drops are temporary, it can make it hard to compare gear or judge upgrades.
Is this an issue with the simulator, or are these EP drops real? How many others have seen similar results?
My methodology was to perform a total of 51 x 5,000 hour simulations, testing every Haste value from 0% to 25% in 0.5% increments. This was done using my current paper doll values, except for melee haste which was manually changed for the tests. I also changed out my [Totem of Dueling] for [Totem of Hex] in the simulator to ensure that there would be no random Haste procs affecting the results.
Afterward I went back and performed 51 x 3,000 minute combat log simulations at each Haste level to determine the overall % DPS contribution from Windfury, suspecting that the EP value changes were likely caused by an interaction between swing speeds and the internal cooldown.
Here are my results in raw data form:
Haste % DPS Haste EP Windfury % ======= === ======== ========== 0.00 % 6044.96 2.66 12.05 % 0.50 % 6058.73 2.58 12.09 % 1.00 % 6078.66 2.43 12.11 % 1.50 % 6100.89 2.35 12.13 % 2.00 % 6116.61 1.83 12.15 % 2.50 % 6128.18 2.14 12.13 % 3.00 % 6140.72 2.32 12.16 % 3.50 % 6160.06 2.53 12.17 % 4.00 % 6180.15 2.30 12.20 % 4.50 % 6188.20 2.03 12.18 % 5.00 % 6203.41 2.27 12.21 % 5.50 % 6221.15 2.25 12.21 % 6.00 % 6239.11 2.18 12.20 % 6.50 % 6250.50 1.76 12.19 % 7.00 % 6260.72 2.03 12.21 % 7.50 % 6278.29 1.91 12.18 % 8.00 % 6295.03 1.30 12.16 % 8.50 % 6300.00 1.73 12.14 % 9.00 % 6314.58 1.88 12.13 % 9.50 % 6329.71 1.24 12.08 % 10.00 % 6339.55 1.50 12.02 % 10.50 % 6346.77 1.83 12.02 % 11.00 % 6360.77 1.31 11.95 % 11.50 % 6370.10 1.68 11.90 % 12.00 % 6380.89 1.95 11.91 % 12.50 % 6396.35 1.21 11.84 % 13.00 % 6405.10 1.61 11.80 % 13.50 % 6412.54 1.77 11.78 % 14.00 % 6430.80 1.33 11.73 % 14.50 % 6441.41 1.75 11.70 % 15.00 % 6452.25 1.65 11.69 % 15.50 % 6461.62 1.89 11.66 % 16.00 % 6473.45 1.91 11.66 % 16.50 % 6494.14 2.07 11.62 % 17.00 % 6508.21 1.89 11.62 % 17.50 % 6515.09 2.16 11.60 % 18.00 % 6532.25 1.91 11.62 % 18.50 % 6541.64 2.24 11.60 % 19.00 % 6565.26 1.46 11.60 % 19.50 % 6577.88 1.55 11.60 % 20.00 % 6590.11 2.36 11.59 % 20.50 % 6606.16 2.01 11.61 % 21.00 % 6618.14 2.22 11.61 % 21.50 % 6631.01 2.07 11.62 % 22.00 % 6653.99 1.65 11.65 % 22.50 % 6659.45 2.08 11.62 % 23.00 % 6682.57 1.63 11.63 % 23.50 % 6688.04 2.63 11.62 % 24.00 % 6710.71 1.67 11.63 % 24.50 % 6725.22 2.29 11.62 % 25.00 % 6739.65 1.66 11.65 %
From the data it is clear that between the values of 8% and 14% melee haste there are a number of "cold spots" where the EP value of Haste falls below 1.5 EP. This also happens again briefly at around 19% melee Haste. However, this isn't the case at every point. At 12% melee Haste, for example, the EP for Haste for 1.91.
It would appear as though one of the reasons why Haste is such a strong stat initially is its effect on Windfury, seen by the initial increase in DPS contribution. The Windfury decline which starts at ~ 7.5% is likely a root cause of the decline in EP value, but why are there still "hot spots" where Haste scores so highly?
My concern with the issue is that Haste becomes a real moving target once you start to move past 7% melee haste. Re-simming after a single upgrade can see your Haste value plummet, which can cause you to question gear choices, gems, enchants, etc. Even knowing that the drops are temporary, it can make it hard to compare gear or judge upgrades.
Is this an issue with the simulator, or are these EP drops real? How many others have seen similar results?
I was doing the same but not as low %. I reached 20% melee haste and I wanted to see the same. I noticed that I still maintained a 2.X EP value for haste up to 21.99% haste. However, at 22% it dropped down to 1.5-1.6. This continued for me all the way to 22.54%, however at 22.55% it rockets back up to a 2.X EP value and from there it maintains it's 2.X value up to like 26% and I didn't sim much more than that for now because that's a lot of slots I don't have yet so I don't care yet.
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Originally Posted by zomghax
Is this an issue with the simulator, or are these EP drops real? How many others have seen similar results?
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You removed Totem of Dueling from your simulation to prevent haste procs, but Flurry is still a core enhancement mechanic. Also, the sim will cast Heroism / Bloodlust every 10 minutes.
As your weapon speed approaches a value that divides into the 3s windfury internal cooldown, the value of haste improves -- there is less time after the cooldown before your next swing and potential windfury proc. As weapon speed drops below 1.5s, 1.0s or 0.75s, the value of haste from windfury drops, since it's nearly a full swing timer after the internal cooldown until the next potential proc.
This is complicated by the fuzziness of the internal cooldown (in the simulator it's randomly between 2.8 and 3.2 seconds to reflect reality) due to server-client communication, and all the various haste effects we encounter in a raid environment: Windfury Totem, Flurry, totem procs, trinket procs and on-use effects, potions, and Heroism / Bloodlust. Other than Windfury Totem, the simulator (and real in-game mechanics) will have these effects in place sometimes and sometimes not -- and frequently overlapping.
Haste is never a bad stat (negative EP value) because it always increases white damage, so several weeks ago someone advised using an EP value for haste based on personal gut feeling, regardless of the simmed value. I think using the same value as agility or crit was the recommendation.
I had pretty similar results with my test set last week when I was wondering what kind of impact the four piece set bonus would have on haste EP value. Just using my paperdoll stats and adding the set bonus dropped haste EP to 1.23 which, as expected, was lower than current but by a way too large margin.
Adding melee haste in .2% increments displayed the same effect that your testing did. This indeed makes us second guess gear choices. From that test we could maybe designate a point (8.20%?) until when haste is better than other stats to get and after that use the same EP value that agi or crit has.
Adding melee haste in .2% increments displayed the same effect that your testing did. This indeed makes us second guess gear choices. From that test we could maybe designate a point (8.20%?) until when haste is better than other stats to get and after that use the same EP value that agi or crit has.
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Originally Posted by Farosarg
I had pretty similar results with my test set last week when I was wondering what kind of impact the four piece set bonus would have on haste EP value. Just using my paperdoll stats and adding the set bonus dropped haste EP to 1.23 which, as expected, was lower than current but by a way too large margin.
Adding melee haste in .2% increments displayed the same effect that your testing did. This indeed makes us second guess gear choices. From that test we could maybe designate a point (8.20%?) until when haste is better than other stats to get and after that use the same EP value that agi or crit has. |
Trying to get EP values
Hello,
I have been trying to figure out how to get some EP values with my current gear. I am copying over from Rawr to EnhSim 1.7 (on Windows Vista with a core 2 duo, which is listed as working with SSE2) but I keep getting an error and only a choice to close the window.
A point in the right direction is much appreciated! Thanks.
I have been trying to figure out how to get some EP values with my current gear. I am copying over from Rawr to EnhSim 1.7 (on Windows Vista with a core 2 duo, which is listed as working with SSE2) but I keep getting an error and only a choice to close the window.
A point in the right direction is much appreciated! Thanks.
########################################## ### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ### ########################################## config_source rawr race tauren mh_speed 2.5 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 156.6 oh_dps 143.5 mh_crit 24.65 oh_crit 24.65 mh_hit 12.44 oh_hit 12.44 mh_expertise_rating 178 oh_expertise_rating 178 ap 3633 melee_haste 6.46 armor_penetration 2.35 str 133 agi 731 int 466 spi 153 spellpower 1089 spell_crit 17.95 spell_hit 15.55 spell_haste 4.97 max_mana 11106 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 2673 mh_weapon - oh_enchant 2673 oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 40531 totem 40322 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem - gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 lava_lash glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5 ######### # Buffs # ######### armor_debuff_major 0.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 haste_buff 0.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 bloodlust_casters 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast combat_length 7.30
I have had that issue at times. It disapeared after some machine restarts, so while I can not put my finger on what is going on I think restarting your OS could fix it.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
I have had that issue at times. It disapeared after some machine restarts, so while I can not put my finger on what is going on I think restarting your OS could fix it.
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I've only had the "stop working" error when trying to run the EP calculations on my Vista machine. It runs fine on XP Professional and Home, no issues, fresh installs of the simulator on all 3. Haven't been able to find a cause or a fix for it.
After i followed a tutorial on how to calculate EP with Enhsim from Ensidia forums (Ensidia - Welcome) i got this values:
I found that int is too high compared to agility. This is the configuration i used for this calculation based on the tutorial i took for Enhsim:
Is there anything wrong with my configuration, and if not, could someone tell me why im getting too high EP values for int, is that a normal value that i should take for PAWN?
EnhSim version 1.7.0 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.90364% (49.9363 hit rating). Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated. Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 5942.63 ap 1.00 0.56 6054.36 111.73 crit rating 1.70 0.95 5971.18 28.56 hit rating 1.45 0.81 5966.85 24.22 expertise rating 2.64 1.48 5991.04 48.41 haste rating 1.44 0.80 5966.71 24.08 armor penetration rating 1.47 0.82 5967.27 24.64 spellpower 0.99 0.55 6025.82 83.19 mh dps 5.17 2.89 5964.28 21.65 oh dps 2.34 1.31 5952.43 9.81 strength 1.10 agility 1.62 intelligence 1.97 spirit -0.00 -0.00 5942.60 -0.03 mana 0.03 0.02 5947.23 4.60 mp5 1.73 0.97 5961.94 19.31 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.70, HitRating=1.45, HasteRating=1.44, ExpertiseRating=2.64, ArmorPenetration=1.47, SpellDamage=0.99, MainHandDps=5.17, OffHandDps=2.34, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.62, Intellect=1.97, Spirit=-0.00, Mana=0.03, Mp5=1.73 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.44&dps=5.17&mp5=1.73&mcr=1.70&odps=2.34&spd=0.99&Agi=1.62&mhit=1.45&Int=1.97&Spi=-0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.47&Exp=2.64 elapsed simulation time: 14000.00h elapsed real time: 35.21s simulation speed: 1431248x
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.50 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 156.6 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.59 oh_crit 31.59 mh_hit 10 oh_hit 10 mh_expertise_rating 106 oh_expertise_rating 106 ap 3993 melee_haste 9.28 armor_penetration 5.36 str 129 agi 936 int 499 spi 153 spellpower 1197 spell_crit 22.63 spell_hit 13.76 spell_haste 7.14 max_mana 11601 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 44253 totem 40322 set_bonus1 - set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 - glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Either disable mana simulation or enable replenishment/bow/judgement of wisdom.
You are obviously going out of mana in that simulation, hence why the high EP value for int/mp5.
And while I didn't check your armory, I also noticed you didn't enter a third glyph or a set bonus.
ShockAndAwe doesn't import the glyph of feral spirits nor a set bonus. (yet?)
You are obviously going out of mana in that simulation, hence why the high EP value for int/mp5.
And while I didn't check your armory, I also noticed you didn't enter a third glyph or a set bonus.
ShockAndAwe doesn't import the glyph of feral spirits nor a set bonus. (yet?)
Last edited by Koban : 05/18/09 at 5:02 AM. Reason: Adding stuff.
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Originally Posted by Aeolian
I've only had the "stop working" error when trying to run the EP calculations on my Vista machine. It runs fine on XP Professional and Home, no issues, fresh installs of the simulator on all 3. Haven't been able to find a cause or a fix for it.
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- Load EnhSim 1.7.0
- Load the standard config and update the rotation to what you want
- Load Rawr 2.2.4
- Import your char from armory into Rawr
- Make changes as needed
- Export your character Data from Rawr and import it into EnhSim (Copy from clipboard button)
- Sim away!
If you do that, you'll not end up having an error when calculating EP values. Or, at least, it worked for me.
I suspect it has something to do with the config people use.
I will paste mine when I get home.
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Originally Posted by Zaurok
The sim will crash (the dos box) if I enable SW within the parameters after 1-2 seconds of calculating.
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I've had it reported as a bug on the website for several weeks...
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
What I would like to know is how Windfury Glyph compares to Lightning Shield glyph in a raid environment where you will be gaining additional activations from the extraneous damage. Anyone want to take a stab at that one?
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What do other shaman do to adjust the Sim's results based upon real game interaction? The Sim can't sim AE. The sim can't sim non-perfect use of abilities/trinkets. Sure the use of trinkets/pots/wolves on XT's heart probably evens out a missed timer, but what about fights like Razor where there isn't a bonus DMG part, but the timing has to be perfect (when she lands verse the adds).
So if I am not using wolves every 3 min on the dot - that makes it sim much worse . . .. What if a fight mechanic makes me miss a use if I am saving it for a certain phase or part of a fight? There isn't one "perfect" fight in Uld - Ignis comes close, but even then it isn't perfect.
I guess my question is - how do other people adjust the suggestions of gear/glyphs/talents around a perfect sim in an imperfect game?
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Originally Posted by Frostshockz
I know this question was put out there on another thread, but it had been "bugging" me all weekend, and I thought the question I had would be better asked in this thread.
What do other shaman do to adjust the Sim's results based upon real game interaction? The Sim can't sim AE. The sim can't sim non-perfect use of abilities/trinkets. Sure the use of trinkets/pots/wolves on XT's heart probably evens out a missed timer, but what about fights like Razor where there isn't a bonus DMG part, but the timing has to be perfect (when she lands verse the adds). So if I am not using wolves every 3 min on the dot - that makes it sim much worse . . .. What if a fight mechanic makes me miss a use if I am saving it for a certain phase or part of a fight? There isn't one "perfect" fight in Uld - Ignis comes close, but even then it isn't perfect. I guess my question is - how do other people adjust the suggestions of gear/glyphs/talents around a perfect sim in an imperfect game? |
Most of the oddities/imperfections that you're talking about are fairly minor dps losses overall.
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Originally Posted by Lucentia
I run Vista 64, and i get the same issue whenever i have more than 6 items in my rotation, so i dropped Magma totem and spirit wolves, i am sure it messes the EP balance up somewhat, but i figured probably less than other options.
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Can we get [Mjolnir Runestone] and [Blood of the Old God] added to the simulator? Both have the same ICD as every other trinket of this type (45 seconds) and without having either in the simulator, its a bit hard to determine which older trinket is best to be replaced!
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Originally Posted by Frostshockz
I know this question was put out there on another thread, but it had been "bugging" me all weekend, and I thought the question I had would be better asked in this thread.
What do other shaman do to adjust the Sim's results based upon real game interaction? The Sim can't sim AE. The sim can't sim non-perfect use of abilities/trinkets. Sure the use of trinkets/pots/wolves on XT's heart probably evens out a missed timer, but what about fights like Razor where there isn't a bonus DMG part, but the timing has to be perfect (when she lands verse the adds). So if I am not using wolves every 3 min on the dot - that makes it sim much worse . . .. What if a fight mechanic makes me miss a use if I am saving it for a certain phase or part of a fight? There isn't one "perfect" fight in Uld - Ignis comes close, but even then it isn't perfect. I guess my question is - how do other people adjust the suggestions of gear/glyphs/talents around a perfect sim in an imperfect game? |
If you are trying to use the simulator to figure out which glyph is better, as we did in the other thread, it still isn't 100% accurate. One could argue that any fight with an environmental AoE effect could potentially pull more DPS out of the Lightning Shield glyph then the Feral Spirit glyph, most people won't re-glyph just for that though. The best we could possibly do at the moment is run the simulator with shorter times to find out what one use of wolves will do versus the lightning shield glyph. Is it completely accurate, nope. It is a substantial enough representation that we can use it effectively to determine that Feral Spirits, at least for the moment, is the way to go. We are doing some testing to find out more about environmental Lightning Shield procs a long with Static Shock to see if the LS glyph could be a better choice, but we are not finished yet.
To answer your question directly, I doubt you can accurately adjust anything in the simulator to portray your DPS perfectly. Too many variables, often in the same fight. Your DPS from week to week on Decon is going to vary depending on Gravity Bomb and Light Orb placement, for example.
To some degree I don't care as much about the gear aspect. Simply because it is easy enough to swap item X for item Y between fights.
The glyph and the talents though do make me wonder. For example - pre 3.1 when we were more streched from a talent point of view (too many talents not enough points) I would throw points in improved shields to get stronger LS procs. Sure I had less static shock procs (I think I was running 2/3 in both) and less total orbs, but in fights like Thad where there is a lot of AE dmg happening it was a huge asset.
I am reading and watching the glyph thread for this very reason.
Honestly I guess in the end there will be a very small DPS difference between glyph A and B (assuming you are using one of the top 4 or so). Same with talents. I want to get the highest DPS possible each and every fight, but I guess what is needed for that will vary fight to fight.
The glyph and the talents though do make me wonder. For example - pre 3.1 when we were more streched from a talent point of view (too many talents not enough points) I would throw points in improved shields to get stronger LS procs. Sure I had less static shock procs (I think I was running 2/3 in both) and less total orbs, but in fights like Thad where there is a lot of AE dmg happening it was a huge asset.
I am reading and watching the glyph thread for this very reason.
Honestly I guess in the end there will be a very small DPS difference between glyph A and B (assuming you are using one of the top 4 or so). Same with talents. I want to get the highest DPS possible each and every fight, but I guess what is needed for that will vary fight to fight.
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Is there still a plan to do a java redesign?
[e] I was bored with my design assignment at work today so I brainstormed a bit on this. I think we would want to implement an XML reader and just define a custom schema to describe trinkets. We can provide trinket schemas for most of the common ones and then people can follow the pattern to add new ones as they want.
Something like:
<trinket name="Malan's Maruader of Doom">
<chanceOnHit value=0.45>
<internalCooldown value =10>
<procBonus><attackPower value=3000>
</trinket>
And then we'd have a trinket model that would read in expected values and instantiate itself as the specified trinket. The engine itself would just know how to ask a trinket for things like "tell me what to do when you fire" and "how long before you can fire again."
[e] I was bored with my design assignment at work today so I brainstormed a bit on this. I think we would want to implement an XML reader and just define a custom schema to describe trinkets. We can provide trinket schemas for most of the common ones and then people can follow the pattern to add new ones as they want.
Something like:
<trinket name="Malan's Maruader of Doom">
<chanceOnHit value=0.45>
<internalCooldown value =10>
<procBonus><attackPower value=3000>
</trinket>
And then we'd have a trinket model that would read in expected values and instantiate itself as the specified trinket. The engine itself would just know how to ask a trinket for things like "tell me what to do when you fire" and "how long before you can fire again."
Last edited by Malan : 05/19/09 at 8:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by Loukno
After i followed a tutorial on how to calculate EP with Enhsim from Ensidia forums (Ensidia - Welcome) i got this values:
// lots of code Is there anything wrong with my configuration, and if not, could someone tell me why im getting too high EP values for int, is that a normal value that i should take for PAWN? |
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Originally Posted by Aeolian
We could ask Tukez to give us options to select how many times we use wolves in a 5-6 minute fight, and/or an option to line it up with Heroism/Bloodlust like our trinkets (if it isn't already) but there isn't any point in doing that because it still won't give you 100% accurate representation of your DPS in game.
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Last edited by Staticus : 05/19/09 at 6:51 PM.
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Originally Posted by Staticus
(which in itself assumes you have a second shaman who can hero when wolves come out for the 2nd time)
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Originally Posted by Malan
Is there still a plan to do a java redesign?
[e] I was bored with my design assignment at work today so I brainstormed a bit on this. I think we would want to implement an XML reader and just define a custom schema to describe trinkets. We can provide trinket schemas for most of the common ones and then people can follow the pattern to add new ones as they want. Something like: <trinket name="Malan's Maruader of Doom"> <chanceOnHit value=0.45> <internalCooldown value =10> <procBonus><attackPower value=3000> </trinket> And then we'd have a trinket model that would read in expected values and instantiate itself as the specified trinket. The engine itself would just know how to ask a trinket for things like "tell me what to do when you fire" and "how long before you can fire again." |
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Originally Posted by falonub
I was doing the same but not as low %. I reached 20% melee haste and I wanted to see the same. I noticed that I still maintained a 2.X EP value for haste up to 21.99% haste. However, at 22% it dropped down to 1.5-1.6. This continued for me all the way to 22.54%, however at 22.55% it rockets back up to a 2.X EP value and from there it maintains it's 2.X value up to like 26% and I didn't sim much more than that for now because that's a lot of slots I don't have yet so I don't care yet.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Is there still a plan to do a java redesign?
[e] I was bored with my design assignment at work today so I brainstormed a bit on this. I think we would want to implement an XML reader and just define a custom schema to describe trinkets. We can provide trinket schemas for most of the common ones and then people can follow the pattern to add new ones as they want. Something like: <trinket name="Malan's Maruader of Doom"> <chanceOnHit value=0.45> <internalCooldown value =10> <procBonus><attackPower value=3000> </trinket> And then we'd have a trinket model that would read in expected values and instantiate itself as the specified trinket. The engine itself would just know how to ask a trinket for things like "tell me what to do when you fire" and "how long before you can fire again." |
PS. That trinket's OP.
Edit: Ok to kick things off I've created a project https://sourceforge.net/projects/enhsimj/ and will be able to manage it and add authors once its approved. Can anyone who can contribute to coding the project please contact me by Private Message.
Last edited by Levva : 05/20/09 at 8:31 AM.
ArP Calculation
Questions about Armor Penetration usefulness on the WoW forums got me looking at the EnhSim 1.7 code. The equations for damage reduction due to armor look nothing like what has been posted by a developer in the Damage Dealer's forum of WoW.
Here is a rehash of what was posted. You can go to the DD forums and dig up the original posts for confirmation.
Step 1: ACdebuff = AC * ArPdebuff1 * ArPDebuff2 * ...
AC = the armor of the mob
ArPdebuffn = the % armor reduction due to a debuff placed on the mob. For example, sunder armor.
Step2: ACcap = (ACmax + ACdebuff)/3
if ACcap > AC then ACcap = AC
ACMax = 15232.5
Step 3: ACreduction = ACcap * (ArPbuff1 + ArPbuff2 + ...)
ArPbuffn = personal Armor Penetration buff, like Armor Penetration rating
Step 4: MeleeDamageFactor = ACmax / (ACmax + ACcap - ACreduction)
Dev posting has recognized that with enough armor penetration, it is possible to get over 100% damage factor. But current itemization does not make it possible. Because players are inputting these values, you probably want to cap the MeleeReductionFactor at 1.
Here is a rehash of what was posted. You can go to the DD forums and dig up the original posts for confirmation.
Step 1: ACdebuff = AC * ArPdebuff1 * ArPDebuff2 * ...
AC = the armor of the mob
ArPdebuffn = the % armor reduction due to a debuff placed on the mob. For example, sunder armor.
Step2: ACcap = (ACmax + ACdebuff)/3
if ACcap > AC then ACcap = AC
ACMax = 15232.5
Step 3: ACreduction = ACcap * (ArPbuff1 + ArPbuff2 + ...)
ArPbuffn = personal Armor Penetration buff, like Armor Penetration rating
Step 4: MeleeDamageFactor = ACmax / (ACmax + ACcap - ACreduction)
Dev posting has recognized that with enough armor penetration, it is possible to get over 100% damage factor. But current itemization does not make it possible. Because players are inputting these values, you probably want to cap the MeleeReductionFactor at 1.
This is a little off the road for the current conversation but I know I am not the only one wondering about this:
Are there any plans on updates, especially adding a GUI, to MacEnh?
I posted the same question as a Wish on the website but saw no response. Any clue?
Are there any plans on updates, especially adding a GUI, to MacEnh?
I posted the same question as a Wish on the website but saw no response. Any clue?
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Originally Posted by Levva
Edit: Ok to kick things off I've created a project https://sourceforge.net/projects/enhsimj/ and will be able to manage it and add authors once its approved. Can anyone who can contribute to coding the project please contact me by Private Message.
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I did a little UML design last night, nothing too detailed but it got the wheels turning.Btw sourceforge says your application was not approved.
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Originally Posted by Skiace
Not since 3.1 when Sated was changed to a 10 minute debuff. The default combat length for the sim is 5 minutes anyway.
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It's also worth noting that as the wolves do their damage oved 45 secs that their reported dps value drops as the fight length moves from 1min to 3min (end of cd) and again from 4 min to 6 min (at lower values throughout due to Bloodlust and 'Use' type trinkets.
Additionally your dps values (with the wolves removed from the rotation ) will be higher for a 5 min fight compared to a 6 min fight if you have any 2min Use type trinkets equipt.
It's quite easy to calculate the dps value of the wolves if you want to use them once per fight Enhancement Glyphs a numeric comparison
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Originally Posted by Torodo
Step2: ACcap = (ACmax + ACdebuff)/3
if ACcap > AC then ACcap = AC Step 4: MeleeDamageFactor = ACmax / (ACmax + ACcap - ACreduction) |
Step2: ACcap = (ACmax + ACdebuff)/3
if ACcap > ACdebuff then ACcap = ACdebuff
Step4: MeleeDamageFactor = ACmax / (ACmax + ACdebuff - ACreduction)
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Originally Posted by suicuique
Im pretty sure it has to be:
Step2: ACcap = (ACmax + ACdebuff)/3 if ACcap > ACdebuff then ACcap = ACdebuff Step4: MeleeDamageFactor = ACmax / (ACmax + ACdebuff - ACreduction) |
I should also point out the the constant, ACmax, is actually computed based on mob level as follows:
ACmax = 400+85*targetlevel+4.5*85*(targetlevel-59)
for mobs over level 59.
The ACmax I listed was for a level 80 mob. For a boss it would be 16635.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Ah man, I would have suggested jEnhanceSim, that's what I named my netbeans project when I started it up last night.
I did a little UML design last night, nothing too detailed but it got the wheels turning.Btw sourceforge says your application was not approved. |
Netbeans, hmmm. I use Eclipse its so much cleaner and doesn't add nearly so much gunk to a project. Eclipse.org home and click the downloads link. Very open and easy to upgrade too, with built in SVN support and plugins for practically anything you could think might be useful. Still I think the IDE shouldn't matter as long as we don't start using things like the Netbeans custom code for GUI stuff.
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Originally Posted by Ragsie
This is a little off the road for the current conversation but I know I am not the only one wondering about this:
Are there any plans on updates, especially adding a GUI, to MacEnh? I posted the same question as a Wish on the website but saw no response. Any clue? |
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To each his own on the IDE. I just happen to like netbeans look/feel better. (Netbeans does everything you described too 
)
I assume we'll be taking the approach of a constructive simulation (that's my field of work) and fully representing weapons, trinkets, the player and the 'target dummy' as actors in our sim?
[e] Well looks like the project is in the process of being approved this time, I can actually log in and see our dev site now.
)I assume we'll be taking the approach of a constructive simulation (that's my field of work) and fully representing weapons, trinkets, the player and the 'target dummy' as actors in our sim?
[e] Well looks like the project is in the process of being approved this time, I can actually log in and see our dev site now.
Last edited by Malan : 05/20/09 at 12:30 PM.
I recently picked up wrathstone and sim'd it. I'm a little concerned because it is siming with a 20% up time. The use has a cool down of two minutes and lasts twenty seconds. Is the sim incorrect or am I missing something?
You're missing the rationale behind the uptime. In a 5 minute period you'll (in theory) use the trinket at 0:00, 2:00, 4:00. That's 60 seconds which is 20% if your simulator is set to use a 5min combat. Or you can use the trinket twice in 3 minutes which is slightly over 20%. In short: Check how you have the sim configured and yes it's probably correct.
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Originally Posted by ncervantes
I recently picked up wrathstone and sim'd it. I'm a little concerned because it is siming with a 20% up time. The use has a cool down of two minutes and lasts twenty seconds. Is the sim incorrect or am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by Cochice
Wait, I thought the sim didn't have wrathstone coded yet? I get "Trinket wrathstone not found." when I sim with it. I'm using 1.7.0
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### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 6000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 25 max_lag 50 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 MT rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LS rotation_priority8 LL rotation_priority9 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 178.9 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 32.72 oh_crit 32.72 mh_hit 11.47 oh_hit 11.47 mh_expertise_rating 140 oh_expertise_rating 140 ap 4066 melee_haste 13.72 armor_penetration 0 str 137 agi 901 int 539 spi 161 spellpower 1219 spell_crit 24.42 spell_hit 14.33 spell_haste 13.72 max_mana 12201 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 wrathstone trinket2 grim_toll totem deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthstorm_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 2/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by ncervantes
It's the very last trinket on the drop down. Here is my config and I'm not receiving any errors. Just seeing a 20% up time, which is concerning.
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And as Malan said, you're seeing 20% because of your combat_length
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Originally Posted by Malan
You're missing the rationale behind the uptime. In a 5 minute period you'll (in theory) use the trinket at 0:00, 2:00, 4:00. That's 60 seconds which is 20% if your simulator is set to use a 5min combat. Or you can use the trinket twice in 3 minutes which is slightly over 20%. In short: Check how you have the sim configured and yes it's probably correct.
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Is anyone currently running EnhSim on Windows 7?
The sim crashes right away and the EP -sometimes- gets a few lines in before crashing.
Latest C++ and .Net packs installed as well.
The sim crashes right away and the EP -sometimes- gets a few lines in before crashing.
Latest C++ and .Net packs installed as well.
Works fine for me under W7. Just make sure you've got 1.7 and use the new config file (not the lvl 80 one).
Haste EP
Hi there, my concern is about the unstable haste ep again. Especially, I want to know the gem order in case of high-end equip. My crit ep is quite stable at 1.7 and i use stamina gems to reach a good socket bonus (e.g. +12 ap on t8/t8.5 legs or leatherworking waist and feet). Losing 4ap for 132hp is a nice deal in my opinion. Hit and expertise are capped.
haste > ap > stamina (with haste ep > 2.00)
ap > haste > stamina (with haste ep < 2.00)
ap > crit > stamina (with haste ep < 1.7)
So I have chosen a set of probably bis items, that you can get before entering the hardmodes, and applied it to my config.
With this gear set i endet up with 15.3% haste and did linear regression from 15.0% to 20% wich led to a ep value of 2.07. One should get similar results by increasing the ep steps by a factor of 5 or higher.
haste > ap > stamina (with haste ep > 2.00)
ap > haste > stamina (with haste ep < 2.00)
ap > crit > stamina (with haste ep < 1.7)
So I have chosen a set of probably bis items, that you can get before entering the hardmodes, and applied it to my config.
With this gear set i endet up with 15.3% haste and did linear regression from 15.0% to 20% wich led to a ep value of 2.07. One should get similar results by increasing the ep steps by a factor of 5 or higher.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Works fine for me under W7. Just make sure you've got 1.7 and use the new config file (not the lvl 80 one).
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Sim is running fine now and EP is also successful, with expertise skipped. However, when I reduce my character expertise to below cap or modify the EP value to negative the EP calc crashes every time.
Worldbreaker set bonus question
Simple question: Do I need to enable both set bonuses in order to properly sim them, or does enabling the 4pc option automatically sim the 2pc as well? 2pc sims fine, but when I enter the 4pc bonus into the second set bonus slot (GUI) Enh sim crashes. When I enter both for other armor sets however, it works fine.
Config below incase I have managed to break something. Any generic feedback on my config would also be welcome; I am new to the Sim. Thanks the the author btw.
Simple question: Do I need to enable both set bonuses in order to properly sim them, or does enabling the 4pc option automatically sim the 2pc as well? 2pc sims fine, but when I enter the 4pc bonus into the second set bonus slot (GUI) Enh sim crashes. When I enter both for other armor sets however, it works fine.
Config below incase I have managed to break something. Any generic feedback on my config would also be welcome; I am new to the Sim. Thanks the the author btw.
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 160 max_lag 170 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 31.28 oh_crit 31.28 mh_hit 12.41 oh_hit 12.41 mh_expertise_rating 142 oh_expertise_rating 142 ap 4086 melee_haste 14.11 armor_penetration 5.68 str 133 agi 837 int 517 spi 153 spellpower 1499 spell_crit 23.61 spell_hit 15.52 spell_haste 10.86 max_mana 11871 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 pyrite_infuser totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 lightning_bolt glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
4pc includes 4pc bonus and 2pc bonus.
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Originally Posted by Quirk
Is anyone currently running EnhSim on Windows 7?
The sim crashes right away and the EP -sometimes- gets a few lines in before crashing. Latest C++ and .Net packs installed as well. |
I'm running it in Win 7 RC and it has not crashed for me.
Very new here so please forgive ignorance =P
I have downloaded the latest EnhSim but having trouble actually opening it. Whenever I try to it comes up with:
''Windows cannot open this file:
File: EnhSim1.7.0.rar
To open this file, Windows needs to know what program created it. Windows can go online to look it up automatically, or you can manually select from a list of programs on your computer.''
When I do try to use the site it gives me this:
Windows has the following information about this file type. This page will help you find software needed to open your file.
''File Type: RAR compressed archive file
File Extension: .rar
Description: RAR files contain one or more files that have been compressed and packaged into an archive file.
Software or information available at:
* RARLAB WinRAR
* WinAce
* WinZip
You may search the following Web site for related software and information:
* Windows Live Search''
Which one is safe to use as I want to be sure it works correctly.
Thank you. =]
I have downloaded the latest EnhSim but having trouble actually opening it. Whenever I try to it comes up with:
''Windows cannot open this file:
File: EnhSim1.7.0.rar
To open this file, Windows needs to know what program created it. Windows can go online to look it up automatically, or you can manually select from a list of programs on your computer.''
When I do try to use the site it gives me this:
Windows has the following information about this file type. This page will help you find software needed to open your file.
''File Type: RAR compressed archive file
File Extension: .rar
Description: RAR files contain one or more files that have been compressed and packaged into an archive file.
Software or information available at:
* RARLAB WinRAR
* WinAce
* WinZip
You may search the following Web site for related software and information:
* Windows Live Search''
Which one is safe to use as I want to be sure it works correctly.
Thank you. =]
I personally use WinRAR. I can't speak from any experience about the other two.
Ok Thanks for the fast reply, I guess I will try it. =D
If you want to respect licenses note WinRAR is not free, so I suggest either 7Zip or WinAce (both should work fine and are free from what i remember)
ArPen Revisited
A few posts ago I mentioned a problem with 1.7.0 EnhSim's armor penetration calculation.
I dug a little deeper and extracted the armor penetration calculations and compared them with the formulas posted by Ghost Crawler (Blizzard Lead Designer) on the WoW damage Dealer forums.
EnhSim is overcomputing the damage reduction due to armor by around 17%. However, I think the code is improperly throwing away the debuff computation during the simulation step and only using player armor penetration. The author should revist this part of the code to make confirm this.
Here are some sample results for 20% armor debuff (sunder armor), assuming the debuff properly makes it into the calculateArmor and calculateDamage functions, and a range of armor penetration values of 0 to 300
The factors multiply the unmitigated melee damage to get the actual melee damage.
Here is the code so interested parties can double check the computation.
I dug a little deeper and extracted the armor penetration calculations and compared them with the formulas posted by Ghost Crawler (Blizzard Lead Designer) on the WoW damage Dealer forums.
EnhSim is overcomputing the damage reduction due to armor by around 17%. However, I think the code is improperly throwing away the debuff computation during the simulation step and only using player armor penetration. The author should revist this part of the code to make confirm this.
Here are some sample results for 20% armor debuff (sunder armor), assuming the debuff properly makes it into the calculateArmor and calculateDamage functions, and a range of armor penetration values of 0 to 300
The factors multiply the unmitigated melee damage to get the actual melee damage.
| ArPen EnhSim GC |
| 0 0.556 0.625 |
| 100 0.576 0.645 |
| 200 0.599 0.666 |
| 300 0.623 0.688 |
Here is the code so interested parties can double check the computation.
Option explicit
Dim arp, acdebuff, acmax, accap, acred, gc_reduction
'*** sim constants
const ARMOR_PENETRATION_RATING_TO_ARMOR_PENETRATION = 0.0008119361
const ATTACKER_LEVEL = 83
'*** warrior boss armor
Dim armor_base_ : armor_base_ = 400.0 + 85.0 * (ATTACKER_LEVEL + 4.5 * (ATTACKER_LEVEL - 59.0))
Dim armor_, damage_reduction_
'*** sunder armor debuff
'*** as near as I can tell, armor debuffs are thrown away during simulation phase and repalced by armor_base_ * armor_penetration_
'*** but I will add it here anyways in case I am wrong
Dim armor_debuff_ : armor_debuff_ = 0.2
For arp = 0 To 300 Step 10
'*** enhsim 1.7 computation
armor_ = armor_base_ * (1.0 - armor_debuff_) * (1.0 - arp * ARMOR_PENETRATION_RATING_TO_ARMOR_PENETRATION)
damage_reduction_ = 1.0 - (armor_ / (armor_ + 400.0 + 85.0 * (ATTACKER_LEVEL + 4.5 * (ATTACKER_LEVEL - 59.0))))
'*** compute GC posted reduction
'*** apply mob debuffs multiplcatively
acdebuff = armor_base_ * (1.0 - armor_debuff_)
'*** compute max armor for cap calc
acmax = 400.0 + 85.0 * (ATTACKER_LEVEL + 4.5 * (ATTACKER_LEVEL - 59.0))
'*** cap is an average of max and debuffed armor
accap = (armor_base_ + acdebuff) / 3.0
'*** if cap is over debuffed armor then use debuffed armor
if (accap > acdebuff) Then accap = acdebuff
'*** apply armor penetration additively to the armor cap to get armor reduction
acred = accap * arp * ARMOR_PENETRATION_RATING_TO_ARMOR_PENETRATION
'*** damage reduction is an inverse function of reduction
gc_reduction = acmax / (acmax + accap - acred)
MsgBox arp & "=" & damage_reduction_ & "," & gc_reduction
Next
I have successfully downloaded EnhSim1.7.0.rar, added my stats, but when I try to run the Enhsim.exe application it comes up with an error and shuts down.
Am I doing anything wrong?
Am I doing anything wrong?
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Originally Posted by Levva
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Last edited by Ragsie : 05/30/09 at 9:05 AM.
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Originally Posted by Octanus
I have successfully downloaded EnhSim1.7.0.rar, added my stats, but when I try to run the Enhsim.exe application it comes up with an error and shuts down.
Am I doing anything wrong? |
Getting Errors:
Gonna make it simple. Opens fine, i can input my data no problem, but i cant run any of the sims, i get tons of errors. So, heres the errors:
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
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System.ComponentModel.Win32Exception: The system cannot find the file specified
at System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEx(ProcessStartInfo startInfo)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start()
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(ProcessStartInfo startInfo)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(String fileName, String arguments)
at enhsimgui.MainForm.button1_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
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mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3082 (QFE.050727-3000)
CodeBase: file:///E:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
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enhsimgui
Assembly Version: 1.0.3401.16414
Win32 Version:
CodeBase: file:///F:/Enhance%20Sim/enhsimgui.exe
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msvcm90
Assembly Version: 9.0.21022.8
Win32 Version: 9.00.21022.8
CodeBase: file:///E:/WINDOWS/WinSxS/x86_Microsoft.VC90.CRT_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.21022.8_x-ww_d08d0375/msvcm90.dll
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Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000)
CodeBase: file:///E:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
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System
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Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000)
CodeBase: file:///E:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
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System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000)
CodeBase: file:///E:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
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Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3082 (QFE.050727-3000)
CodeBase: file:///E:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
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To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.
For example:
<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>
When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.
Point it to the right executable
Haven't been able to figure this one out. How come whenever I run EnhSim it tells me that my white DPS is below 10. That seems very strange. If I turn off all of my rotation and tell it to only white attack, I get a theoretical DPS number of around 400. I'm pretty sure I do more than 400 DPS just white-attacking, what's going on?
It says my flametongue does DPS in the 380s, and my Windfury procs do... 3.12 DPS.
I double checked my stats that I exported from ShockandAwe, and they're correct. MH Speed 2.60, OH Speed 1.60, MH DPS 171.3, OH DPS 156.6, etc.
Am I supposed to be getting such a low white DPS number or..?
It says my flametongue does DPS in the 380s, and my Windfury procs do... 3.12 DPS.
I double checked my stats that I exported from ShockandAwe, and they're correct. MH Speed 2.60, OH Speed 1.60, MH DPS 171.3, OH DPS 156.6, etc.
Am I supposed to be getting such a low white DPS number or..?
Post a config file, otherwise it's impossible for us to help you. I suspect you might be having too high armor value in the config.
Here's my file:
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### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 200 max_lag 300 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 0 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 SR miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 1.60 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 31.46 oh_crit 31.46 mh_hit 10.86 oh_hit 10.86 mh_expertise_rating 153.00 oh_expertise_rating 153.00 ap 3699 melee_haste 6.58 armor_penetration 3.00 str 129 agi 845 int 542 spi 153 spellpower 1109 spell_crit 23.85 spell_hit 13.57 spell_haste 5.06 max_mana 12246 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 grim_toll trinket2 fury_of_the_five_flights totem 40322 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_4 set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 flametongue_weapon glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5 |
This is likely what's causing the problem, these should reflect the new percentage values of 20/20 and 5/5 respectively:
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
This may not have anything to do with your problem, but you probably want to adjust this to at least 1 before running EP calcs:
ep_precision 0
Again, not likely to cause the problem you're seeing, but 4 piece bonuses include the appropriate 2 piece bonus, so you can remove this:
set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260
This may not have anything to do with your problem, but you probably want to adjust this to at least 1 before running EP calcs:
ep_precision 0
Again, not likely to cause the problem you're seeing, but 4 piece bonuses include the appropriate 2 piece bonus, so you can remove this:
set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2
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Originally Posted by hozzer
This is likely what's causing the problem, these should reflect the new percentage values of 20/20 and 5/5 respectively:
armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 1260/1260 This may not have anything to do with your problem, but you probably want to adjust this to at least 1 before running EP calcs: ep_precision 0 Again, not likely to cause the problem you're seeing, but 4 piece bonuses include the appropriate 2 piece bonus, so you can remove this: set_bonus2 naxx_melee_2 |
I wonder how those armor debuff numbers got so high though, as I never adjusted them manually before.
The config_lvl80 seems to have incorrect values for those 2. You should use the config.txt file for your base config.
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Vista SP2
I installed the Vista SP2 on both my PC and Laptop and EP Calculation doesnt seem to work anymore.
--> Enhancement Shaman Simulator has stopped working.
EDIT: Oh, and it would be cool to have Mjolnir Runestone in the trinket list :-)
--> Enhancement Shaman Simulator has stopped working.
EDIT: Oh, and it would be cool to have Mjolnir Runestone in the trinket list :-)
Last edited by Sprinter : 05/29/09 at 2:47 PM.
How do people deal with setting EP when you're already capped? I know some folks have mentioned setting EP values of capped stats to '2' just so when looking at a new piece of gear, they have a better idea how good it is by itself...
There are times when current EP values will show that a possible upgrade is really a downgrade, but if you get 2 pieces, and they both lack hit, all of a sudden the EP value for hit will skyrocket... Also, if you're currently gemming for a lot of hit and/or expertise, that may also skew your EP values one way....
There are times when current EP values will show that a possible upgrade is really a downgrade, but if you get 2 pieces, and they both lack hit, all of a sudden the EP value for hit will skyrocket... Also, if you're currently gemming for a lot of hit and/or expertise, that may also skew your EP values one way....
I personally do not look to compare piece 1 with piece 2 in a vacuum. I know what I have determined to be BiS for me atm (heroic, non hard mode) as a whole set. And I also know what are second BiS per slot, such that if no one else wants them, I will take them until what I want drops.
If you're in a position to reach the hit soft cap/expertise hard cap through gems you're best off setting the value for those two stats to whatever your highest stack-able stat is, generally 2 for AP.
If you're at or past the hit soft cap without using any gems then set hit to the EP over the soft cap, around 1.5-1.7 for most. Expertise I just leave at 2 and remind myself that's it's useless past the cap when evaluating items that have it.
If you're at or past the hit soft cap without using any gems then set hit to the EP over the soft cap, around 1.5-1.7 for most. Expertise I just leave at 2 and remind myself that's it's useless past the cap when evaluating items that have it.
I guess, I habe discovered a bug in conjuction with the rawr export option and enhsim:
If the Trinket Blood of the Old God is equiped in Rawr and exported to Enhsim it gets an itemnumber (45522), but doesn't sim. I don't know, if it simply isn't implemented yet, because manually it can not be chosen as trinket or if there is a bug in the export etc. The Bug is not that worse, because the pyrite infuser proc works and is only 50 ap less, but its annoying to chose it every time, when exporting from rawr.
If the Trinket Blood of the Old God is equiped in Rawr and exported to Enhsim it gets an itemnumber (45522), but doesn't sim. I don't know, if it simply isn't implemented yet, because manually it can not be chosen as trinket or if there is a bug in the export etc. The Bug is not that worse, because the pyrite infuser proc works and is only 50 ap less, but its annoying to chose it every time, when exporting from rawr.
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Originally Posted by rokshan
I guess, I habe discovered a bug in conjuction with the rawr export option and enhsim:
If the Trinket Blood of the Old God is equiped in Rawr and exported to Enhsim it gets an itemnumber (45522), but doesn't sim. I don't know, if it simply isn't implemented yet, because manually it can not be chosen as trinket or if there is a bug in the export etc. The Bug is not that worse, because the pyrite infuser proc works and is only 50 ap less, but its annoying to chose it every time, when exporting from rawr. |
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Im getting VERY skewed EP values from EnhSim. At expertise cap and hit cap (i placed them just below the caps in order to try and prevent the errors i have been receiving lately) i get messages saying i am over the cap still. Tried adjusting Ep Values in the sim to compensate, but unless i give expertise and hit a value of 1, im over the cap, which i know isnt true. Posting my "current EP Values" that im not going to use, and my config file.
Config:
EP Calculation Output:
I know ive had the problem with the negative EP Values before but cannot seem to remember how i fixed it last time.
Also it says i have an approximate OOM time of 30-40% of the time, i dont know why it says this because in 25 man raids i never oom, even saving Shamanistic Rage for damage mitigation rather than any needed mana regen. Anyone know why this is? Alot of questions and no answers, i hate doing it but if there was a place to say was the bible for my research, this is it. Anyways, thanks for all your hard work, i love the sim!
~Ciege
Config:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 6 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 73 max_lag 290 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 64 ep_crit_rating 46 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 33 ep_armor_penetration_rating 15 ep_spellpower 28 ep_dps 10.0 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 0 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 2 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 600 rotation_priority_count 5 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 SS rotation_priority3 ES rotation_priority4 LL rotation_priority5 SW miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20/20 armor_debuff_minor 5/5 physical_vulnerability_debuff 2.0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 10.0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 1 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.5 mh_dps 171.4 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 29.47 oh_crit 29.47 mh_hit 11.28 oh_hit 11.28 mh_expertise_rating 140 oh_expertise_rating 140 ap 3882 melee_haste 9.59 armor_penetration 9.17 str 135 agi 855 int 539 spi 155 spellpower 1438 spell_crit 21.72 spell_hit 13.99 spell_haste 9.59 max_mana 12201 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 fury_of_the_five_flights trinket2 pyrite_infuser totem totem_of_the_dancing_flame set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 5/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
EP Calculation Output:
EnhSim version 1.7.0 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.13364% (29.7377 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2067.59 ap 1.00 -0.00 2067.38 -0.20 crit rating -113.98 0.36 2084.25 16.66 hit rating -113.39 0.36 2078.40 10.81 expertise rating -0.00 0.00 0.00 -2067.59 haste rating -99.61 0.32 2078.03 10.44 armor penetration rating -82.85 0.26 2071.54 3.95 spellpower -148.74 0.47 2080.82 13.23 mh dps -979.76 3.11 2098.72 31.13 oh dps -416.74 1.32 2080.83 13.24 strength 1.10 agility -28.97 intelligence* -19.13 spirit -0.00 0.00 0.00 -2067.59 mana -0.00 0.00 0.00 -2067.59 mp5 -0.00 0.00 0.00 -2067.59 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. elapsed simulation time: 50000.00h elapsed real time: 130.30s simulation speed: 1381469x
Also it says i have an approximate OOM time of 30-40% of the time, i dont know why it says this because in 25 man raids i never oom, even saving Shamanistic Rage for damage mitigation rather than any needed mana regen. Anyone know why this is? Alot of questions and no answers, i hate doing it but if there was a place to say was the bible for my research, this is it. Anyways, thanks for all your hard work, i love the sim!
~Ciege
Last edited by Ciege : 06/01/09 at 1:22 PM.
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Originally Posted by Ciege
Im getting VERY skewed EP values from EnhSim. At expertise cap and hit cap (i placed them just below the caps in order to try and prevent the errors i have been receiving lately) i get messages saying i am over the cap still. Tried adjusting Ep Values in the sim to compensate, but unless i give expertise and hit a value of 1, im over the cap, which i know isnt true. Posting my "current EP Values" that im not going to use, and my config file.
Config: <snip> I know ive had the problem with the negative EP Values before but cannot seem to remember how i fixed it last time. Also it says i have an approximate OOM time of 30-40% of the time, i dont know why it says this because in 25 man raids i never oom, even saving Shamanistic Rage for damage mitigation rather than any needed mana regen. Anyone know why this is? Alot of questions and no answers, i hate doing it but if there was a place to say was the bible for my research, this is it. Anyways, thanks for all your hard work, i love the sim! ~Ciege |
Regarding the mana issue, I see this as well. Looking at a Kologarn parse from this week I see the largest discrepancy on Judgement of Wisdom. Enhsim is showing me with only 8.94 MPS from this ability, and I actually receive 16351 over about 250 second for about 65.4 MPS. In comparison, enhsim is giving me 36.32 MPS from replenishment while I only get about 26.4 (though this could be an uptime issue).
I'm using enhsim 1.7.0, I can provide config if necessary but I imagine it can be easily reproduced. If you're interested in examining the actual WoL log, you can find it here (buffs gained):
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
This is why you're running oom in the simulator:
rotation_priority_count 5
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SS
rotation_priority3 ES
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 SW
You need to tell the simulator to use SR.
rotation_priority_count 5
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SS
rotation_priority3 ES
rotation_priority4 LL
rotation_priority5 SW
You need to tell the simulator to use SR.
You probably also want to say to use a fire totem too? eg: Searing or Magma totem? Seriously what's with people changing all the defaults in config.txt when they don't know what they are doing?
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Originally Posted by Octanus
I have successfully downloaded EnhSim1.7.0.rar, added my stats, but when I try to run the Enhsim.exe application it comes up with an error and shuts down.
Am I doing anything wrong? |
I can simulate for dps, but can not calculate the EP values without the crash.
Looks like it may be the DEP (data execution protection) but I am unable to disable it for this executable.
Last edited by Saabu : 06/03/09 at 9:29 AM.
I was having problems in windows 7 with the EP calculation crashing enhsim, but after I set both enhsim.exe and enhsimgui.exe to run in xp service pack 3 compatibility, the problem went away. See if that works.
There is a known bug in v1.7.0 where the new parameters for gloves_enchant and cloak_enchant are read but never initialised. I've posted a fix which Tukez has acknowledged is probably the cause of the crash however he has not yet posted a new version.
For what it's worth, I was hitting a crash as well. It seems that it would always happen on the armor pen calculation (I don't do expertise or mana sim though). If I disabled armor pen calculations it completed just fine.
Based on Torodo's excellent post about the Sim miscalculating the value of Armor Penetration I've dusted off my C++ skills and have had a whack at the source.
I've managed to add some missing trinkets (Dark Matter, Blood of the Old God, Mjolnir, and the Elemental Focus Stone) but I'm having troubles trying to work in the new Armor Penetration formula.
What the sim is currently doing seems very strange to me. Next paragraph for the technical / nerdy:
The sim is taking the defined 'armor' value in the config, applying the the armor_major_debuff and armor_minor_debuff directly to this value giving a reduced total AC value. This debuffed armor value is then multiplied by what appears to be 100% - Armor Penetration config'd value for the MH and 100% - (ArmPen / 2) for the OH to be used as a new armor base value for calculating a damage multiplier which acts as a damage reducer. So this calculated armor base value divided by the sum of the calculated armor base plus the expected armor value of the target mob and this is used as the final damage multiplier.
The problem is when I try to rewrite the formula which GC has posted, the updated sim code looks like:
But since the armor_penetration value in the sim is based on inverse percentages and some odd OH handling, I get very out of whack values as can be seen in those print debug statements:
As you can see, that armor_pen value being fed in to this function is pretty unusable for me due to the new formula. I'll try to experiment with modifying the multipliers but not only will this probably throw all sorts of procs and modifier out of whack, I don't think during EP calculations I'd be getter anything remotely useable without overhauling a lot more than meets the eye.
Hopefully Tukez is already on top of it as it looks like it's going to take some effort.
I've managed to add some missing trinkets (Dark Matter, Blood of the Old God, Mjolnir, and the Elemental Focus Stone) but I'm having troubles trying to work in the new Armor Penetration formula.
What the sim is currently doing seems very strange to me. Next paragraph for the technical / nerdy:
The sim is taking the defined 'armor' value in the config, applying the the armor_major_debuff and armor_minor_debuff directly to this value giving a reduced total AC value. This debuffed armor value is then multiplied by what appears to be 100% - Armor Penetration config'd value for the MH and 100% - (ArmPen / 2) for the OH to be used as a new armor base value for calculating a damage multiplier which acts as a damage reducer. So this calculated armor base value divided by the sum of the calculated armor base plus the expected armor value of the target mob and this is used as the final damage multiplier.
The problem is when I try to rewrite the formula which GC has posted, the updated sim code looks like:
//compute constant max armor cap acmax_ = static_cast<int>(400.0 + (85.0 * TARGET_LEVEL) + (4.5 * 85.0 * (TARGET_LEVEL - 59.0))); // calculate effective armor due to debuffs acdebuff_ = static_cast<int>(armor_base_ * (1.0f - armor_debuff_major_) * (1.0f - armor_debuff_minor_)); //the cap is an average of max and debuffed armor accap_ = static_cast<int>((acmax_ + acdebuff_) / 3.0); //apply armor penetration additively to the armor cap to get armor reduction acreduction_ = static_cast<f32>(accap_ * (1.0f - armor_penetration_)); //damage reduction is an inverse function of reduction damage_reduction_ = static_cast<f32>((acdebuff_ - acreduction_) / acdebuff_); std::cout << "NEW DAMAGE REDUCTION FORMULA\n"; std::cout << "armor_pen raw function val: " << (armor_penetration_) << "\n"; std::cout << "max boss AC" << acmax_ << " | debuffed armor total " << acdebuff_ << " | cap for reduction " << accap_ << " | armor reduced by ArmPen " << acreduction_ << " | damage bonus multiplier " << damage_reduction_ << "\n\n";
NEW DAMAGE REDUCTION FORMULA armor_pen raw function val: 0.95 max boss AC16635 | debuffed armor total 8515 | cap for reduction 8383 | armor reduced by ArmPen 419.15 | damage bonus multiplier 0.950775 NEW DAMAGE REDUCTION FORMULA armor_pen raw function val: 0.453095 max boss AC16635 | debuffed armor total 8515 | cap for reduction 8383 | armor reduced by ArmPen 4584.7 | damage bonus multiplier 0.461573
Hopefully Tukez is already on top of it as it looks like it's going to take some effort.
I ve tried many variants of stats and items in enh sim due i have plenty of them and i can say that that it gave me nothing. I have good results on most of bosses using haste and critbased items in Ulduar but iam still far 100-300 dps from Wowmeteronline Europe top 20 on Kologarn and Iron council, for example. Only explanation that i have is difference in raid tactics. Can someone here help me to optimize my dps on this encounters and sorry for my eng if there any mistakes not my native lang.
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Originally Posted by tortugapir8
Based on Torodo's excellent post about the Sim miscalculating the value of Armor Penetration I've dusted off my C++ skills and have had a whack at the source.
I've managed to add some missing trinkets (Dark Matter, Blood of the Old God, Mjolnir, and the Elemental Focus Stone) but I'm having troubles trying to work in the new Armor Penetration formula. |
// http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473618356&sid=1&pageNo=4 post 77.
// Ghostcrawler vs theorycraft.
/// <summary>
/// Returns how much physical damage is reduced from Armor. (0.095 = 9.5% reduction)
/// </summary>
/// <param name="AttackerLevel">Level of Attacker</param>
/// <param name="TargetLevel">Level of Target</param>
/// <param name="TargetArmor">Armor of Target</param>
/// <param name="ArmorIgnoreDebuffs">Armor reduction on target as result of Debuffs (Sunder/Fearie Fire)</param>
/// <param name="ArmorIgnoreBuffs">Armor reduction buffs on player (Mace Spec, Battle Stance, etc)</param>
/// <param name="ArmorPenetrationRating">Penetration Rating (Can be rolled into ArmorIgnoreBuffs and then set this to 0)</param>
/// <returns>How much physical damage is reduced from Armor. (0.095 = 9.5% reduction)</returns>
public static float GetArmorDamageReduction(int AttackerLevel, float TargetArmor,
float ArmorIgnoreDebuffs, float ArmorIgnoreBuffs, float ArmorPenetrationRating)
{
float ArmorConstant = 400 + 85 * AttackerLevel + 4.5f * 85 * (AttackerLevel - 59);
TargetArmor *= (1f - ArmorIgnoreDebuffs) * (1f - ArmorIgnoreBuffs);
float ArPCap = Math.Min((TargetArmor + ArmorConstant) / 3f, TargetArmor);
TargetArmor -= ArPCap * Math.Min(1f, GetArmorPenetrationFromRating(ArmorPenetrationRating));
return 1f - ArmorConstant / (ArmorConstant + TargetArmor);
}
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Thank you very much Levva, that was hugely helpful! I've updated the damage_reduction code in EnhSim to the following:
And is looking good for overall DPS simulations. However, I'm personally getting lower numbers then I expected for the calculated EP value of Armor Penetration
WARNING! The following is a very non-official version of EnhSim I've compiled for TESTING
This build is based on the 1.7.0 source and contains the following modifications:
NOTE: Since I do not have the source to the EnhSIm GUI you'll be unable to select these new trinkets in the dropdown, however the sim handles them being imported properly (by item ID) or by editing you config with either the item ID or the following constants:
NOTE: I was unable to compile this with multi-threaded support so you'll probably see a moderate performance hit between this and the official 1.7.0 version.
Can some other people get me back some comparison numbers between the 1.7.0 sim'd DPS and EP calculation vs this build? Please include your config file as well. Also, rather than cluttering this thread, please email me the results (the address to send it to can be seen in the enhsim output window) or PM me here.
New EnhSim executable can be downloaded at: http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe
Edit: New version 1.7.0.3
MD5: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761
//compute constant max armor cap acmax_ = static_cast<int>(400.0 + (85.0 * ATTACKER_LEVEL) + (4.5 * 85.0 * (ATTACKER_LEVEL - 59.0))); // calculate effective armor due to debuffs acdebuff_ = static_cast<int>(armor_base_ * (1.0f - armor_debuff_major_) * (1.0f - armor_debuff_minor_)); //the cap is an average of max and debuffed armor accap_ = static_cast<int>((acdebuff_ + acmax_) / 3.0); //apply armor penetration additively to the armor cap to get armor reduction acdebuff_ = static_cast<int>(acdebuff_ - (accap_ * (1.0f - armor_penetration_))); //damage reduction is an inverse function of reduction damage_reduction_ = static_cast<f32>(1.0f - (acdebuff_ / ((467.5 * TARGET_LEVEL) + acdebuff_ - 22167.5)));
WARNING! The following is a very non-official version of EnhSim I've compiled for TESTING
This build is based on the 1.7.0 source and contains the following modifications:
- Added support for the following trinkets: Dark Matter, Blood of the Old God, Mjolnir, and the Elemental Focus Stone
- Updated Armor Penetration formula (exact changes can be seen above)
NOTE: Since I do not have the source to the EnhSIm GUI you'll be unable to select these new trinkets in the dropdown, however the sim handles them being imported properly (by item ID) or by editing you config with either the item ID or the following constants:
- Dark Matter => 'dark_matter' or id # 46038
- Blood of the Old God => 'blood_of_the_old_god' or id # 45522
- Mjolnir => 'mjolnir_runestone' or id # 45931
- Elemental Focus Stone => 'elemental_focus_stone' or id # 45866
NOTE: I was unable to compile this with multi-threaded support so you'll probably see a moderate performance hit between this and the official 1.7.0 version.
Can some other people get me back some comparison numbers between the 1.7.0 sim'd DPS and EP calculation vs this build? Please include your config file as well. Also, rather than cluttering this thread, please email me the results (the address to send it to can be seen in the enhsim output window) or PM me here.
New EnhSim executable can be downloaded at: http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe
Edit: New version 1.7.0.3
MD5: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761
Last edited by tortugapir8 : 06/17/09 at 11:02 AM.
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Unix Makefile
Hi guys, this isn't really a theorycrafting contribution, but I thought others might find it useful.
I saw that there were Mac OS X (Leopard) instructions for using XCode to compile EnhSim. However, I am a command-line person, so I thought I'd write a Makefile instead.
To use this, create a file called "Makefile" and copy and paste the contents below into it. Watch that the "spaces" on the lines are actually "tabs" (that's a common gotcha with Makefiles). Put the Makefile into the "sources" directory, launch a terminal, go to the directory, and type "make" to compile it. I'm assuming that those of you who know what Makefiles are won't have a problem with using them.
IMO, it's much easier than using XCode. It works on Mac OS X 10.5.7. If we assume that EnhSim compiles on Linux and other UNIX-like systems (I don't have a Linux to test this on) then the Makefile should work on those systems too.
I hope someone else finds it useful! If you want to run new versions of EnhSim on your OS then this'll be an easy way to get yourself going.
I saw that there were Mac OS X (Leopard) instructions for using XCode to compile EnhSim. However, I am a command-line person, so I thought I'd write a Makefile instead.
To use this, create a file called "Makefile" and copy and paste the contents below into it. Watch that the "spaces" on the lines are actually "tabs" (that's a common gotcha with Makefiles). Put the Makefile into the "sources" directory, launch a terminal, go to the directory, and type "make" to compile it. I'm assuming that those of you who know what Makefiles are won't have a problem with using them.
IMO, it's much easier than using XCode. It works on Mac OS X 10.5.7. If we assume that EnhSim compiles on Linux and other UNIX-like systems (I don't have a Linux to test this on) then the Makefile should work on those systems too.
I hope someone else finds it useful! If you want to run new versions of EnhSim on your OS then this'll be an easy way to get yourself going.
CC=g++ CFLAGS=-Wall -g LIBS= DEFINES=-DNOTHREADS LDFLAGS= SRCS=consumables.cpp effects.cpp enchants.cpp enhsim.cpp enhsimconfig.cpp enhsimoutput.cpp event.cpp event_queue.cpp globalutil.cpp hand.cpp items.cpp main.cpp metagems.cpp normal.cpp rotation.cpp setbonuses.cpp skills.cpp stats.cpp talents.cpp totems.cpp trinkets.cpp weapon_enchants.cpp OBJS=$(SRCS:.cpp=.o) EXECUTABLE=enhsim .PHONY: depend clean all: $(EXECUTABLE) @echo successfully compiled $(EXECUTABLE): $(OBJS) $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) -o $(EXECUTABLE) $(OBJS) $(LDFLAGS) $(LIBS) $(DEFINES) .cpp.o: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) $(DEFINES) $(LIBS) -c $< -o $@ $(DEFINES) clean: rm *.o core *~ $(EXECUTABLE) depend: $(SRCS) makedepend $(INCLUES) $^
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Originally Posted by tortugapir8
NOTE: I was unable to compile this with multi-threaded support so you'll probably see a moderate performance hit between this and the official 1.7.0 version.
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Have you also fixed that issue?
Did you also fix the glove_enchant, cloak_enchant not being initialised as per bug report on EnhSim website? This is what causes the occasional crash on Vista when doing EP values calcs. My bug report is at EnhSim: Gloves & Cloak Enchant Null Pointer
It would also be useful if you could apply the fix for the Flametongue Weapon co-efficients bug see my report EnhSim: Flametongue co-efficient incorrect
When compiling your code have you added a unique version number eg: v1.7.0.1 so we know ppl are using your version for data comparisons?
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Minor quirk I've been having since updating my versions of SAA and EnhSim, my SAA exports have been making my weapons both slower by .1. Nothing huge but it's still pretty annoying having to manually change every export. Anyone else been hit with something like this?
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Originally Posted by Trollpriest
Minor quirk I've been having since updating my versions of SAA and EnhSim, my SAA exports have been making my weapons both slower by .1. Nothing huge but it's still pretty annoying having to manually change every export. Anyone else been hit with something like this?
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Originally Posted by Levva
You are aware that the source of v1.7.0 contains a bug in the NON multi threaded support that frequently silently fails to complete the simulation...
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Originally Posted by Levva
My bug report is at EnhSim: Gloves & Cloak Enchant Null Pointer
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Originally Posted by Levva
It would also be useful if you could apply the fix for the Flametongue Weapon co-efficients bug see my report EnhSim: Flametongue co-efficient incorrect
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Originally Posted by Levva
When compiling your code have you added a unique version number eg: v1.7.0.1 so we know ppl are using your version for data comparisons?
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Edit: Link to 1.7.0.3
New EnhSim executable (1.7.0.3) can be downloaded at: http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe
MD5 Hash: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761
Thanks to those sending me results, it's looking good!
Last edited by tortugapir8 : 06/17/09 at 11:03 AM.
What sort of differences in DPS and EP values are you seeing between the your branch and Tukez' core?
They are pretty close. For my config in 1.7.0 I was getting:
In 1.7.0.2:
It's pretty much as expected for me, a little more white damage due to the new formula for damage reduction due to armor, and a little hit on Flametounge from the new co-efficient.
The only thing that bugs me still is the EP calculations. In 1.7.0 I get:
Where as in 1.7.0.2:
I was expecting to see ArmorPen being given more weight due to the new formula not less. Still working on the rhyme and reason behind it and trying to build some test cases I can actually proof against.
DPS PPM MPS white 1869.62 29.24% 82.28 windfury 765.12 11.97% 6.96 flametongue 558.53 8.74% 52.31 stormstrike 395.78 6.19% 6.73 0.00 0.00% lava lash 338.39 5.29% 8.08 16.64 10.00% magma totem 526.01 8.23% 2.90 53.87 32.36% earth shock 576.91 9.02% 8.82 38.31 23.02% lightning bolt 850.39 13.3% 8.89 54.32 32.63% lightning shield 213.45 3.34% 0.82 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 299.73 4.69% 0.40 3.31 1.99% DPS 6393.92
DPS PPM MPS white 1913.93 29.76% 82.28 windfury 785.06 12.21% 6.98 flametongue 542.51 8.44% 52.29 stormstrike 405.60 6.31% 6.73 0.00 0.00% lava lash 338.42 5.26% 8.07 16.62 9.98% magma totem 526.36 8.18% 2.90 53.86 32.33% earth shock 576.87 8.97% 8.82 38.27 22.98% lightning bolt 854.37 13.29% 8.92 54.51 32.73% lightning shield 217.69 3.38% 0.83 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 270.19 4.2% 0.40 3.31 1.98% DPS 6431.00
The only thing that bugs me still is the EP calculations. In 1.7.0 I get:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6394.55 ap 1.00 0.62 6518.69 124.14 crit rating 1.66 1.03 6425.40 30.85 hit rating 1.58 0.98 6423.93 29.38 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6394.55 haste rating 1.54 0.95 6423.14 28.59 armor penetration rating 1.44 0.90 6421.41 26.86 spellpower 0.97 0.60 6484.63 90.08 mh dps 5.36 3.32 6419.48 24.93 oh dps 3.37 2.09 6410.22 15.67 strength 1.10 agility 1.71 intelligence* 1.35 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6394.55 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6394.55 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6394.55
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6432.86 ap 1.00 0.62 6556.03 123.17 crit rating 1.69 1.04 6464.11 31.25 hit rating 1.61 0.99 6462.62 29.77 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6432.86 haste rating 1.50 0.93 6460.61 27.75 armor penetration rating 1.32 0.81 6457.15 24.30 spellpower 0.97 0.60 6522.54 89.68 mh dps 5.41 3.33 6457.86 25.00 oh dps 2.41 1.49 6444.00 11.14 strength 1.10 agility 1.69 intelligence* 1.37 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6432.86 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6432.86 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6432.86
| I was expecting to see ArmorPen being given more weight due to the new formula not less. Still working on the rhyme and reason behind it and trying to build some test cases I can actually proof against. |
First of all, we need to realize that the ArP EP is based on the relative value of ArP versus AP. So if AP goes up in terms of how good it is, then ArP EP goes down. With that in mind - I suspect that the extra gain that the base ArP debuffs on the target (sunder armor, etc.) give us in terms of hitting harder (white, SS, wf) increases the AP value more than the increase ArP would give us.
Quick question: Any idea why wolves simulate 20 DPS lower in yours than in 1.7.0?
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Quick question: Any idea why wolves simulate 20 DPS lower in yours than in 1.7.0? |
Well, I assumed WF would be lower due to lower effects from ArP. But actually that could explain wolves too, since their damage is melee damage, and I assume mitigated my armor.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Well, I assumed WF would be lower due to lower effects from ArP. But actually that could explain wolves too, since their damage is melee damage, and I assume mitigated my armor.
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Sim inaccurate with FT Glyph
I've noticed that there is a bit of a problem with the Flametongue Glyph on EnhSim. On the character stats you are supposed to put in your stats as they appear on your character sheet and of course Flametongue Glyph's extra 2% spell crit shows up there. However when you put the Flametongue Glyph into the simulator it adds another 2% spell crit on top of the 2% already added to your character page.
I ran the sim with my stats with no glyphs and without the 2% spell crit from FT Glpyh to get my base DPS and got these results;
DPS 6910.88
Lightning Bolt Crit% 43.05
Earth Shock Crit% 43.04
Flametongue Crit% 43.03
I then ran the sim adding 2% spell crit as if I had the FT Glyph without adding the FT Glyph as one of my major glyphs in the sim and got these results;
DPS 6956.92
Lightning Bolt Crit% 45.15
Earth Shock Crit% 45.01
Flametongue Crit% 45.02
I then added the FT Glyph into the sim but removed the 2% spell crit I had previously added and got these results;
DPS 6957.25
Lightning Bolt Crit% 45.04
Earth Shock Crit% 45.05
Flametongue Crit% 45.06
Lastly I ran the sim with the Glyph added into the sim and with the 2% spell crit as you would see it on your character page and got these results;
DPS 7002.34
Lightning Bolt Crit% 46.91
Earth Shock Crit% 47.04
Flametongue Crit% 47.02
As you can see this shows that when using the FT Glyph if you copy your stats and glyphs from the character page the sim treats it as if you get an 4% additional spell crit rather than the correct 2%. That is, the sim double counts the 2% extra spell crit when you copy your characters stats and glyphs.
I ran the sim with my stats with no glyphs and without the 2% spell crit from FT Glpyh to get my base DPS and got these results;
DPS 6910.88
Lightning Bolt Crit% 43.05
Earth Shock Crit% 43.04
Flametongue Crit% 43.03
I then ran the sim adding 2% spell crit as if I had the FT Glyph without adding the FT Glyph as one of my major glyphs in the sim and got these results;
DPS 6956.92
Lightning Bolt Crit% 45.15
Earth Shock Crit% 45.01
Flametongue Crit% 45.02
I then added the FT Glyph into the sim but removed the 2% spell crit I had previously added and got these results;
DPS 6957.25
Lightning Bolt Crit% 45.04
Earth Shock Crit% 45.05
Flametongue Crit% 45.06
Lastly I ran the sim with the Glyph added into the sim and with the 2% spell crit as you would see it on your character page and got these results;
DPS 7002.34
Lightning Bolt Crit% 46.91
Earth Shock Crit% 47.04
Flametongue Crit% 47.02
As you can see this shows that when using the FT Glyph if you copy your stats and glyphs from the character page the sim treats it as if you get an 4% additional spell crit rather than the correct 2%. That is, the sim double counts the 2% extra spell crit when you copy your characters stats and glyphs.
Are you by chance leaving the flametongue weapon buff active when you copy your stats over?
When I ran the sim on these last tests no. I copied my stats without it, then added the crit manually as if I had the buff for the second test without adding the glyph to the sim, input just the glyph and assumed no buff for the third, and assumed both the buff on and the glyph in the sim for the last one.
Normally I would copy the stats with buffs active, I don't recall seeing anywhere on the Sim's instructions that I should not have, all it said is copy your stats as you see them on the character sheet. I had assumed before that the Flametongue Glyph on the sim was just a text placeholder that didn't change your stats at all because you are instructed to copy your stats, which already included the 2% crit.
If I'm mistaken and there is indeed instructions somewhere in the sim that tell you to leave the FT Buff off when copying your stats when using the FT Glyph perhaps it should be more prominent.
Normally I would copy the stats with buffs active, I don't recall seeing anywhere on the Sim's instructions that I should not have, all it said is copy your stats as you see them on the character sheet. I had assumed before that the Flametongue Glyph on the sim was just a text placeholder that didn't change your stats at all because you are instructed to copy your stats, which already included the 2% crit.
If I'm mistaken and there is indeed instructions somewhere in the sim that tell you to leave the FT Buff off when copying your stats when using the FT Glyph perhaps it should be more prominent.
The method you used on your 3rd test is how you should be doing it.
I see. I would say that maybe that should be changed or make it more clear that you shouldn't have the buff active when you copy stats when using the FT Glyph. I would assume a lot of people run the sim as I had, copying stats with the buff active and with the FT Glyph in the sim.
FT is no go already due to spellpower part regardless about glyph. So basically any weapon enchant that modifies your stats should not be active.
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New EnhSim executable (1.7.0.2) can be downloaded at: http://www.apatheia.org/download/1702/enhsim.exe
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Thanks for all your hard work -- it is much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Spaceinvader
You might want to fix the link in your post. The URL displayed is correct but clicking on the link will load a different URL which will download Rev B instead of 1.7.0.2 (fixed in the quoted text). I downloaded the old version by mistake and I imagine I am not the only one.
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Haste vs Crit ep values for Ulduar gear level
I am experiencing contradictory results when applying calculated EP values to my set up.
I am using the new newly provided .exe, but my results are consistent with the old .exe (thank you for the update btw).
I am using the following config:
And from that are achieving the following EP values:
And achieving the following dps:
I am particularly interested in my haste value, which seems abnormally low. My intuition tells me that the actual value of haste is much higher. When I manipulate my config favoring haste over crit (applying haste enchant and swapping 2x ap/crit gems for ap/haste gems = + 1.55% haste and -0.34% crit/24.2 AP) I experience a dps increase- this is despite the EP value of haste being significantly lower than crit.
I am aware that haste peaks and troughs in relative value, but have been unable to find specific data supporting this. Is someone able to direct me to it?
More specifically:
1) Is my config incorrect?
2) Why am I getting more dps out of haste than crit when the EP value of haste is lower than crit?
3) Have other shaman at my gear level done extensive haste EP value testing? What values are your arriving at? A brief look at the top 20 shaman for XT (wowmeteronline) indicates a focus on crit over haste- what are the rest of you seeing?
I am experiencing contradictory results when applying calculated EP values to my set up.
I am using the new newly provided .exe, but my results are consistent with the old .exe (thank you for the update btw).
I am using the following config:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 160 max_lag 170 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.60 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 33.79 oh_crit 33.79 mh_hit 11.41 oh_hit 11.41 mh_expertise_rating 142.00 oh_expertise_rating 142.00 ap 4274 melee_haste 12.21 armor_penetration 6.17 str 135 agi 856 int 534 spi 155 spellpower 1282 spell_crit 26.00 spell_hit 14.26 spell_haste 9.39 max_mana 12126 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 blood_of_the_old_god trinket2 mjolnir_runestone totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 stormstrike glyph_major2 windfury_weapon glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6862.06 ap 1.00 0.65 6992.28 130.22 crit rating 1.74 1.14 6896.11 34.05 hit rating 1.63 1.06 6893.89 31.83 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6862.06 haste rating 1.33 0.86 6888.00 25.95 armor penetration rating 1.51 0.98 6891.47 29.41 spellpower 0.96 0.62 6955.80 93.74 mh dps 5.11 3.33 6887.02 24.96 oh dps 2.79 1.81 6875.66 13.61 strength 1.10 agility 1.69 intelligence* 1.39 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6862.06 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6862.06 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6862.06 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.74, HitRating=1.63, HasteRating=1.33, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.51, SpellDamage=0.96, MainHandDps=5.11, OffHandDps=2.79, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.69, Intellect=1.39, Spirit=0.00, Mana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.33&dps=5.11&mp5=0.00&mcr=1.74&odps=2.79&spd=0.96&Agi=1.69&mhit=1.63&Int=1.39&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.51&Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 49.42s simulation speed: 728435x
EnhSim version 1.7.0.2 by Verges: scionweb@gmail.com
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MH:
miss 242983 9.57%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 609388 24.00%
hit 466990 18.39%
crit 1220035 48.04%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.48%
procs/swings 14.19%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 407157 49.02%
crit 423479 50.98%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 190113 49.16%
crit 196600 50.84%
OH:
miss 243897 9.60%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 610396 24.04%
hit 464712 18.30%
crit 1220391 48.06%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1887846 59.94%
crit 1261777 40.06%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 189447 48.99%
crit 197266 51.01%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 306932 60.08%
crit 203912 39.92%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 228191 48.82%
crit 239220 51.18%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 364795 60.00%
crit 243217 40.00%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 438739 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 117156 6.51%
glancing 431638 23.99%
hit 1041948 57.92%
crit 208136 11.57%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 57.78
flurry uptime 95.19%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 78.17%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.48%
oh enchant uptime 37.34%
trinket1 uptime 18.08%
trinket2 uptime 20.61%
totem uptime 64.45%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2127.44 31.01% 84.65
windfury 842.02 12.27% 6.92
flametongue 549.45 8.01% 52.49
stormstrike 422.09 6.15% 6.45 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 348.81 5.08% 7.79 21.46 10.54%
magma totem 503.14 7.33% 2.66 49.55 24.34%
earth shock 581.53 8.48% 8.51 55.02 27.03%
lightning bolt 977.86 14.25% 10.13 74.25 36.47%
lightning shield 218.99 3.19% 0.81 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 289.99 4.23% 0.40 3.31 1.62%
DPS 6861.32
MPS 203.58
MP2min 24430.01
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 4.98s
simulation speed: 722311x
EnhSim version 1.7.0.2 by Verges: scionweb@gmail.com
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MH:
miss 246769 9.59%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 617354 24.00%
hit 480686 18.68%
crit 1227942 47.73%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.29%
procs/swings 14.01%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 409001 49.32%
crit 420305 50.68%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 190404 49.27%
crit 196040 50.73%
OH:
miss 246170 9.57%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 618046 24.02%
hit 480001 18.66%
crit 1228534 47.75%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1912178 60.13%
crit 1268101 39.87%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 190634 49.33%
crit 195810 50.67%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 307476 60.23%
crit 203020 39.77%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 229925 49.21%
crit 237329 50.79%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 368112 60.12%
crit 244203 39.88%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 441784 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 116738 6.49%
glancing 432992 24.08%
hit 1040844 57.89%
crit 207494 11.54%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 58.24
flurry uptime 94.98%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 78.18%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.62%
oh enchant uptime 37.52%
trinket1 uptime 18.14%
trinket2 uptime 20.68%
totem uptime 64.41%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2143.96 31.17% 85.76
windfury 836.51 12.16% 6.91
flametongue 553.92 8.05% 53.00
stormstrike 420.27 6.11% 6.44 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 346.88 5.04% 7.79 21.45 10.52%
magma totem 502.01 7.3% 2.66 49.51 24.27%
earth shock 580.42 8.44% 8.51 54.98 26.95%
lightning bolt 983.65 14.3% 10.21 74.77 36.65%
lightning shield 220.40 3.2% 0.82 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 289.21 4.21% 0.40 3.31 1.62%
DPS 6877.22
MPS 204.02
MP2min 24482.53
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 5.01s
simulation speed: 717846x
More specifically:
1) Is my config incorrect?
2) Why am I getting more dps out of haste than crit when the EP value of haste is lower than crit?
3) Have other shaman at my gear level done extensive haste EP value testing? What values are your arriving at? A brief look at the top 20 shaman for XT (wowmeteronline) indicates a focus on crit over haste- what are the rest of you seeing?
Last edited by Vespasian : 06/11/09 at 11:59 AM.
Please don't use the same numeric version style on non-official releases of the sim. Tag it with something that will make it clear it is a fork version(even if it's meant to be a short-lived fork). Like: EhnSim 1.7.0-Verges1, 1.7.0-Verges2 etc. Explains the source of the work, author of the fork and version of the fork.
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@Vespasian
The reason that your haste EP rating has fallen dramatically below hit/crit can be attributed too simply having 'too much' haste!
With 13.76% unbuffed haste, 20% WF, 25% flurry and 3% raid haste, your 2.6 weapons are attacking at 1.48 seconds each - just below the 1.5 speed 'threshold'. (Note, I am not saying you are doing less damage due to the 'wf pit' - you are still doing more overall damage due to more white attacks). When your hasted attack speeds fall between 1.4 and 1.49 seconds, the EP value of haste plummets.
If you are bothered by this, you can drop a few of your haste gems in favor of crit or hit. If you get exactly 12% haste unbuffed, that would put your hasted attack speed at 1.503 seconds. That's 302 haste rating in case you were wondering. Unfortunately you would have to swap out a piece of gear that has haste for one that doesn't - 23 haste and 2 8 haste gems isn't enough to get you back down to 302.
As a point of interest, if you are lucky enough to have the [Golden Saronite Dragon] or [The Masticator], you can afford to have up to 16.5% haste unbuffed (416 haste rating) and still stay above a 1.5 second attack speed threshold.
The reason that your haste EP rating has fallen dramatically below hit/crit can be attributed too simply having 'too much' haste!
With 13.76% unbuffed haste, 20% WF, 25% flurry and 3% raid haste, your 2.6 weapons are attacking at 1.48 seconds each - just below the 1.5 speed 'threshold'. (Note, I am not saying you are doing less damage due to the 'wf pit' - you are still doing more overall damage due to more white attacks). When your hasted attack speeds fall between 1.4 and 1.49 seconds, the EP value of haste plummets.
If you are bothered by this, you can drop a few of your haste gems in favor of crit or hit. If you get exactly 12% haste unbuffed, that would put your hasted attack speed at 1.503 seconds. That's 302 haste rating in case you were wondering. Unfortunately you would have to swap out a piece of gear that has haste for one that doesn't - 23 haste and 2 8 haste gems isn't enough to get you back down to 302.
As a point of interest, if you are lucky enough to have the [Golden Saronite Dragon] or [The Masticator], you can afford to have up to 16.5% haste unbuffed (416 haste rating) and still stay above a 1.5 second attack speed threshold.
Last edited by Deathicle : 06/11/09 at 4:36 PM.
There is no true haste cap. As your weapon speed drops closer to a value that divides the 3s Windfury internal cooldown, the EP of an additional point in haste increases; the next potential proc after the cooldown is sooner. A 1.51s swing speed has a potential proc 0.02s after the cooldown, a 1.49s swing speed has a potential proc 1.47s after the cooldown. But as you add even more haste, the time before a potential proc falls again. (A 1.01s swing speed has a potential proc 0.03s after the cooldown.)
All that Windfury stuff aside, additional haste will always increase white weapon damage, Flametongue Weapon damage, Lightning Shield procs, and Maelstrom Weapon stacks.
Several people have plotted a graph of haste EP vs. current haste value. This ends up being a jagged graph. The general consensus at the time was to take a broader perspective when using EP values from enhsim, particularly for haste, hit, and expertise. For haste, use an EP value similar to that for agi or crit. Don't try to reduce haste on your gear to stay above the windfury threshold, but rather recognize that your haste EP will continue to increase past the threshold as your swing speed gets even faster.
All that Windfury stuff aside, additional haste will always increase white weapon damage, Flametongue Weapon damage, Lightning Shield procs, and Maelstrom Weapon stacks.
Several people have plotted a graph of haste EP vs. current haste value. This ends up being a jagged graph. The general consensus at the time was to take a broader perspective when using EP values from enhsim, particularly for haste, hit, and expertise. For haste, use an EP value similar to that for agi or crit. Don't try to reduce haste on your gear to stay above the windfury threshold, but rather recognize that your haste EP will continue to increase past the threshold as your swing speed gets even faster.
Using Verges's version:
Using the 1.7.0 Tukez version:
Even reducing armor pen down to 0 there seems to be a round a 30 dps discrepency between the two simulators. Was anything other than the armor pen calculations changed for this new version?
DPS PPM MPS white 1712.81 29.24% 83.81 windfury 710.41 12.13% 6.95 flametongue 499.11 8.52% 54.29 stormstrike 317.18 5.42% 6.76 37.24 15.60% lava lash 259.48 4.43% 8.32 22.92 9.60% magma totem 522.18 8.92% 2.88 53.49 22.41% earth shock 579.58 9.9% 8.99 58.09 24.33% lightning bolt 786.34 13.42% 8.77 64.23 26.91% lightning shield 241.29 4.12% 0.84 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 228.94 3.91% 0.33 2.75 1.15% DPS 5857.33 MPS 238.73 MP2min 28647.32 MRPS 253.05 Out of mana time 0.46%
DPS PPM MPS white 1665.01 28.62% 83.80 windfury 690.53 11.87% 6.95 flametongue 513.64 8.83% 54.30 stormstrike 307.94 5.29% 6.76 37.24 15.60% lava lash 259.64 4.46% 8.32 22.92 9.61% magma totem 521.63 8.97% 2.87 53.44 22.40% earth shock 579.83 9.97% 8.99 58.12 24.35% lightning bolt 784.92 13.49% 8.76 64.16 26.89% lightning shield 239.95 4.12% 0.83 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 253.99 4.37% 0.33 2.75 1.15% DPS 5817.08 MPS 238.63 MP2min 28635.43 MRPS 251.75 Out of mana time 0.46% elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h elapsed real time: 1.47s simulation speed: 2452316x
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Originally Posted by Jessamy
There is no true haste cap. As your weapon speed drops closer to a value that divides the 3s Windfury internal cooldown, the EP of an additional point in haste increases; the next potential proc after the cooldown is sooner. A 1.51s swing speed has a potential proc 0.02s after the cooldown, a 1.49s swing speed has a potential proc 1.47s after the cooldown. But as you add even more haste, the time before a potential proc falls again. (A 1.01s swing speed has a potential proc 0.03s after the cooldown.)
All that Windfury stuff aside, additional haste will always increase white weapon damage, Flametongue Weapon damage, Lightning Shield procs, and Maelstrom Weapon stacks. Several people have plotted a graph of haste EP vs. current haste value. This ends up being a jagged graph. The general consensus at the time was to take a broader perspective when using EP values from enhsim, particularly for haste, hit, and expertise. For haste, use an EP value similar to that for agi or crit. Don't try to reduce haste on your gear to stay above the windfury threshold, but rather recognize that your haste EP will continue to increase past the threshold as your swing speed gets even faster. |
However, I disagree with your statement that you should always use the same EP value for haste as we do with agi/crit/hit. Once you are below 1.5 and above 1.4 second speeds, your EP value for haste is much lower, meaning that all things being equal, your points are better spent upgrading your other statistics as they will provide the biggest 'bang' for the buck and a higher overall DPS. That is, after all, exactly what the simulator is telling you. Unlike hit, which maintains a fairly high rating beyond even the spell hit cap, haste is not always the best choice. It simply has multiple 'soft caps'.
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
I did not say there was a haste cap. I simply said that with a 2.6 speed weapon, having more than 12% haste will push your attacks below 1.5 seconds between swings - resulting in higher overall damage but a dramatically lower EP value for additional haste. Additionally, I told him what to do if it bothers him.
However, I disagree with your statement that you should always use the same EP value for haste as we do with agi/crit/hit. Once you are below 1.5 and above 1.4 second speeds, your EP value for haste is much lower, meaning that all things being equal, your points are better spent upgrading your other statistics as they will provide the biggest 'bang' for the buck and a higher overall DPS. That is, after all, exactly what the simulator is telling you. Unlike hit, which maintains a fairly high rating beyond even the spell hit cap, haste is not always the best choice. It simply has multiple 'soft caps'. |
With hit, the lower my hit is (without going below the spell hit cap of course), the lower the EP value I get for it.
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
I did not say there was a haste cap. I simply said that with a 2.6 speed weapon, having more than 12% haste will push your attacks below 1.5 seconds between swings - resulting in higher overall damage but a dramatically lower EP value for additional haste. Additionally, I told him what to do if it bothers him.
However, I disagree with your statement that you should always use the same EP value for haste as we do with agi/crit/hit. Once you are below 1.5 and above 1.4 second speeds, your EP value for haste is much lower, meaning that all things being equal, your points are better spent upgrading your other statistics as they will provide the biggest 'bang' for the buck and a higher overall DPS. That is, after all, exactly what the simulator is telling you. Unlike hit, which maintains a fairly high rating beyond even the spell hit cap, haste is not always the best choice. It simply has multiple 'soft caps'. |
Flurry is 25% not 30%. So you can actually get 17.3% haste before you're under 1.5
For the 100th time in this thread: the 1.5 speed dip is an artifact of the simulator. It has next to zero impact on your gameplay.
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Originally Posted by Malan
For the 100th time in this thread: the 1.5 speed dip is an artifact of the simulator. It has next to zero impact on your gameplay.
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Actually it shouldn't even be part of the sim anymore since Tukez recoded the sim to have a variable cooldown on Windfury to correspond to what is actually seen in game. Why there is such variability with haste EP values now really has me a bit confused. However running the sim with only 1000 hours is just asking for inaccuracy anyway.
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
1) Is my config incorrect?
2) Why am I getting more dps out of haste than crit when the EP value of haste is lower than crit? 3) Have other shaman at my gear level done extensive haste EP value testing? What values are your arriving at? A brief look at the top 20 shaman for XT (wowmeteronline) indicates a focus on crit over haste- what are the rest of you seeing? |
MH attack: 48.04% -> 47.73% = 0.31% delta
Lightning bolt: 40.00% -> 39.88% = 0.12% delta
I tend to use 5000 hour simulations, you might try that and see if your results are more consistent.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Actually it shouldn't even be part of the sim anymore since Tukez recoded the sim to have a variable cooldown on Windfury to correspond to what is actually seen in game. Why there is such variability with haste EP values now really has me a bit confused. However running the sim with only 1000 hours is just asking for inaccuracy anyway.
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Originally Posted by clliche
Flurry is 25% not 30%. So you can actually get 17.3% haste before you're under 1.5
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Haste - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft Haste stacks multiplicatively. This means that it is beneficial to stack multiple haste effects. |
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Originally Posted by clliche
Was anything other than the armor pen calculations changed for this new version?
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Actually it shouldn't even be part of the sim anymore since Tukez recoded the sim to have a variable cooldown on Windfury to correspond to what is actually seen in game. Why there is such variability with haste EP values now really has me a bit confused. However running the sim with only 1000 hours is just asking for inaccuracy anyway.
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
Is that not correct? Windfury is 20%, Flurry is 25%, Swift Retribution is 3%. He has 13.76% haste unbuffed. So 1.1376 * 1.2 * 1.25 * 1.03 = 1.7576. 2.6 / 1.7576 = 1.479 attack speed with a 2.6 speed weapon. 12% haste would net you a 1.503 attack speed. If something is wrong with my math, please let me know!
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It doesn't matter. Windfury's cooldown is not 3 seconds. It is 3 seconds +/- 0.2 seconds with a bellcurve type distribution between those points. So worrying about hasting to specifically 1.5 speed is completely pointless.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
It doesn't matter. Windfury's cooldown is not 3 seconds. It is 3 seconds +/- 0.2 seconds with a bellcurve type distribution between those points. So worrying about hasting to specifically 1.5 speed is completely pointless.
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Originally Posted by clliche
But aren't there still points where certain speeds net the most windfury procs? That seems to be the case from [Enh] Windfury Weapon Cooldown . This thread never conclusively determines a confidence interval or what is determined client side and server side. If you want to test what the actual windfury cooldown is, I would say that testing on a private server would be necessary to eliminate almost all lag. I believe that the .bat that is displayed when running one on your own comp displays damage done with probably almost perfect time stamps (though i could be wrong about this one.) It seems beneficial to stay near these cds but not on those cooldowns for the best results. Whether or not this is actually a dps increase/decrease would be another problem i suppose.
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EnhSim GUI for Mac
I already posted this on the EnhSim wiki page, but just to make sure everyone who might benefit from it sees it...
I've just released version 1.0 of the newly-built iEnhSim, with or without source, at ienhsim - Google Code
iEnhSim is a Cocoa-based Mac GUI for EnhSim, something that I felt was sorely missing out there.
Hammer away, find bugs, please — The Google Code page has a nice bug tracker in there, so anything you find just submit a bug for it and I'll work on fixing them in the next release.
I've also added a category in the bug tracker for feature requests, so feel free to use it for that purpose as well.
Please note that this will run on 10.5 and later only, and is Intel-platform only (as I do not have a PPC machine to test against — anyone want to lend me one? =P)
I've just released version 1.0 of the newly-built iEnhSim, with or without source, at ienhsim - Google Code
iEnhSim is a Cocoa-based Mac GUI for EnhSim, something that I felt was sorely missing out there.
Hammer away, find bugs, please — The Google Code page has a nice bug tracker in there, so anything you find just submit a bug for it and I'll work on fixing them in the next release.
I've also added a category in the bug tracker for feature requests, so feel free to use it for that purpose as well.
Please note that this will run on 10.5 and later only, and is Intel-platform only (as I do not have a PPC machine to test against — anyone want to lend me one? =P)
1.6.9 - Game experience inconsistent with simulation
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I'm not sure this is the right thread, but here goes:
I am getting simulation results which are inconsistent with the in-game testing. Details:
I am using EnhSim 1.6.9 (1.7.0 crashes due to uninitialized pointers). I am simulating two sets of gear, which I'll call Old set and New set:
Old set - 4/5 valorous earthshatter (missing head item)
New set - replaces earthshatter shoulder with valorous worldbreaker, earthshatter glove with valorous worldbreaker and earthshatter legs with [Leggings of the Tireless Sentry] . The exact details of the 2 sets are at the end of this message. In terms of set bonuses I am trading the 2piece and 4piece earthshatter bonuses in Old set for the 2piece worldbreaker bonus in the New set.
Anyway, I simmed the 2 sets and here are the results:
Old set - 4778 dps
New set - 4904 dps
(I tested with the 2 Rawr configs below). Obviously, New set is significantly better, right?
Except in game it's not. I went to 25man Emalon with my new gear. I am used to getting within the first 3-4 dps, and now I was somewhere in the middle of Recount. Then I went to the training dummy and did 3 x 5-minute fights with Old set on, and 3 x 5-minute fights with New set on. I did not use hero, the wolves nor any fire totem. Results:
Old set - 3173 average dps
New set - 3103 average dps
Old set is better!!!
I am further puzzled because my gems are calibrated around New set, which should make Old set even worse (e.g. I'm not expertise capped in it).
Please help me understand this. Thanks a bundle!
Attachments
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OLD SET (put this in old.xml and open in Rawr):
NEW SET (put this in new.xml and open in Rawr):
I logged 2 fights, one with each set, and made a spreadhseet with the results:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...gamIEmCYfwwyrw
Here are the logs:
Old set: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
New set: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
(ignore the other players, they were randoms using the test dummies around me)
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I'm not sure this is the right thread, but here goes:
I am getting simulation results which are inconsistent with the in-game testing. Details:
I am using EnhSim 1.6.9 (1.7.0 crashes due to uninitialized pointers). I am simulating two sets of gear, which I'll call Old set and New set:
Old set - 4/5 valorous earthshatter (missing head item)
New set - replaces earthshatter shoulder with valorous worldbreaker, earthshatter glove with valorous worldbreaker and earthshatter legs with [Leggings of the Tireless Sentry] . The exact details of the 2 sets are at the end of this message. In terms of set bonuses I am trading the 2piece and 4piece earthshatter bonuses in Old set for the 2piece worldbreaker bonus in the New set.
Anyway, I simmed the 2 sets and here are the results:
Old set - 4778 dps
New set - 4904 dps
(I tested with the 2 Rawr configs below). Obviously, New set is significantly better, right?
Except in game it's not. I went to 25man Emalon with my new gear. I am used to getting within the first 3-4 dps, and now I was somewhere in the middle of Recount. Then I went to the training dummy and did 3 x 5-minute fights with Old set on, and 3 x 5-minute fights with New set on. I did not use hero, the wolves nor any fire totem. Results:
Old set - 3173 average dps
New set - 3103 average dps
Old set is better!!!
I am further puzzled because my gems are calibrated around New set, which should make Old set even worse (e.g. I'm not expertise capped in it).
Please help me understand this. Thanks a bundle!
Attachments
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http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...gamIEmCYfwwyrw
Here are the logs:
Old set: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
New set: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
(ignore the other players, they were randoms using the test dummies around me)
3x 5minute combat durations in-game is so laughably random that you may as well have just made up numbers for comparison. Remember in the sim that you're running thousands (at least, you'd better be) of hours of combat to remove all the differences in crit rates and MW procs.
If you want the sim to reflect in-game a little more, turn up the min and max lag. Too often I see people posting here with 0 or 100ms on the lag configurations. That isn't realistic at all. Even if your actual network lag is 100ms or less, there is still a human reaction time to seeing an ability ready for use and then actually hitting the button. Most people probably ought to run their lag in the sim at anywhere from 200-500ms.
If you want the sim to reflect in-game a little more, turn up the min and max lag. Too often I see people posting here with 0 or 100ms on the lag configurations. That isn't realistic at all. Even if your actual network lag is 100ms or less, there is still a human reaction time to seeing an ability ready for use and then actually hitting the button. Most people probably ought to run their lag in the sim at anywhere from 200-500ms.
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Originally Posted by paladyin
1.6.9 - Game experience inconsistent with simulation
---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not sure this is the right thread, but here goes: I am getting simulation results which are inconsistent with the in-game testing. Details: |
Just as an experiment I ran enhsim with my stats with combat length set to 5 min and simulation time set to 20 minutes turning off all raid buffs except self buffs. Each time I ran the experiment I got different dps results, ranging from 4250 dps to 4465 dps. That's without changing anything between runs.
Try Verges's version of the sim, and if you're still convinced that the sim is wrong, you need to isolate what mechanic is wrong yourself, or provide hours and hours of testing that still show the inconsistency.
As an aside, it would be very helpful if the sim reported statistical measures in addition to average dps, so that people know what range of dps they should expect from their setup, and know the confidence of the average dps.
Edited onundefined
My friend asked me this question, and being the curious guy I am, I decided to do some research on it: Boss spell penetration. Now according to a wide variety of websites out there, NPCs have a 2% base resistance to spells per level above you that can not be overcome ( See: Spell penetration - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft ). Additionally, the simulator leaves spell resistance figures set at 0. Isn't this a rather important oversight? I saw spell resistance numbers all the time in a raiding situation in TBC.
If this is the case, what numbers should we be using for spell resistance? Would the standard 8*Lvl work?
If this is the case, what numbers should we be using for spell resistance? Would the standard 8*Lvl work?
Last edited by Deathicle : 06/15/09 at 4:34 PM.
I realize this has been more than likely discussed in passing before but I'm curious as to one's thoughts on the matter.
Why do some enhance shamans use the agility meta gem over the straight crit meta gem? Crit should have a higher EP value than agility always, should it not? It benefits spells as well as melee, meaning it helps to benefit Elemental Devastation which in turn boosts your melee crit. So why would one choose the agility meta over the crit meta?
Why do some enhance shamans use the agility meta gem over the straight crit meta gem? Crit should have a higher EP value than agility always, should it not? It benefits spells as well as melee, meaning it helps to benefit Elemental Devastation which in turn boosts your melee crit. So why would one choose the agility meta over the crit meta?
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Originally Posted by kaoticz
I realize this has been more than likely discussed in passing before but I'm curious as to one's thoughts on the matter.
Why do some enhance shamans use the agility meta gem over the straight crit meta gem? Crit should have a higher EP value than agility always, should it not? It benefits spells as well as melee, meaning it helps to benefit Elemental Devastation which in turn boosts your melee crit. So why would one choose the agility meta over the crit meta? |
Not having to use 2 Blue gems is also a factor. Many people prefer the 1 of each color activation of the 21 agi meta over the 2 blue of the 21 crit.
More practically, the Chaotic Skyflare requires 2 blue gems to activate which pretty much knocks it out of consideration.
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Originally Posted by Malan
More practically, the Chaotic Skyflare requires 2 blue gems to activate which pretty much knocks it out of consideration.
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
Unless of course you are JC. Also with our current HP issues I could see people being "ok" with socketing some AP/Stam gems to meet the requirement.
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It requires an extra blue gem. I personally use it because my own obsessive-compulsive disorder requires me to acquire all socket bonuses.
edit: yikes I was slow.
edit: yikes I was slow.
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Originally Posted by Malan
More practically, the Chaotic Skyflare requires 2 blue gems to activate which pretty much knocks it out of consideration.
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So it depends on your gear.. like everything else
I was using Rawr to compile an up to date BiS list, mostly done btw, when i came to totem of dancing flame which in Rawr shows to be better than Hex, Dueling, and well honestly other totems outside of PvE. But when ran with enhsim, its lower DPS than Totem of Hex. When i started digging around in Enhsim, i couldnt find where it was calling or getting the modifications the totems do from the totems files.
So i moved back a step and decided to check Rawr for its modification from the totem. When i found it, i was kind of curious if the modifier was being applied right. In Rawr it is written out as:
TotemSSDamage | 155
Now im curious if its being applied correctly because of how its stated in Rawr, and if its done in Enhsim the same way. Is it taking the Stormstrike then adding 155 damage? Just adding 155 damage to the MH because the hit chance is based of your MH hit chance. Is it being applied before, or after 2 peice set bonus from tier 8? How is it applied in game (before 2 piece 20% bonus, or after)? All this for me comes from the exact text of the totem:
Equip: Increases weapon damage when you use Stormstrike by 155.
The wording here is key, "Increases WEAPON damage." By increasing weapon damage weapon damage, does it apply to the minimum and maximum, or one or the other? If it applies to both, its increasing minimum and maximum damage by 155.
Examples:
Golden Saronite Dragon
406 - 610 Damage ~> 561 - 765 Damage
Caress of Insanity
338 - 628 Damage ~> 493 - 783 Damage
This is all me just trying to figure out which totem i should be using prior to 4 peice (i have no doubt totem of hex is better with 4 peice).
Gonna post this on the Rawr thread as well, thanks alot.
~Ciege
PS:
OCD or not, you only pick up 1 blue socket bonus. When you looking at socket bonuses you have to consider weather or not the socket bonus combined with with the gem(s) is better than just ignoring the socket bonus, and putting a better gem in. Also always grab the socket bonus that has a higher EP value.
So i moved back a step and decided to check Rawr for its modification from the totem. When i found it, i was kind of curious if the modifier was being applied right. In Rawr it is written out as:
TotemSSDamage | 155
Now im curious if its being applied correctly because of how its stated in Rawr, and if its done in Enhsim the same way. Is it taking the Stormstrike then adding 155 damage? Just adding 155 damage to the MH because the hit chance is based of your MH hit chance. Is it being applied before, or after 2 peice set bonus from tier 8? How is it applied in game (before 2 piece 20% bonus, or after)? All this for me comes from the exact text of the totem:
Equip: Increases weapon damage when you use Stormstrike by 155.
The wording here is key, "Increases WEAPON damage." By increasing weapon damage weapon damage, does it apply to the minimum and maximum, or one or the other? If it applies to both, its increasing minimum and maximum damage by 155.
Examples:
Golden Saronite Dragon
406 - 610 Damage ~> 561 - 765 Damage
Caress of Insanity
338 - 628 Damage ~> 493 - 783 Damage
This is all me just trying to figure out which totem i should be using prior to 4 peice (i have no doubt totem of hex is better with 4 peice).
Gonna post this on the Rawr thread as well, thanks alot.
~Ciege
PS:
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Originally Posted by bengali
It requires an extra blue gem. I personally use it because my own obsessive-compulsive disorder requires me to acquire all socket bonuses.
edit: yikes I was slow. |
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While doing some attemping some hardmodes yesterday, a doubt came to me, imagine this situation:
- You have 60 sec to nuke a boss.
- you can time wolfs and BL.
- potion of haste is off cd.
- fire elemental is off cd.
- trinket are passive.
- boss is static aka patchwerk mode.
How is the best way to achieve more dmg. haste pot,dps, then on 43 sec left pop wolfs, fire elemental (dont know if fire elem is buffed by BL) and BL? or save everything to the last 43 sec, pop wolfs, fire elemental and stack haste pot and bl?
I think I read somewhere that with haste pot and bl and some decent amount of haste from gear you could reach a sort off soft haste cap where you wouldn't benefit fully from it.
Is there a way to sim this?
- You have 60 sec to nuke a boss.
- you can time wolfs and BL.
- potion of haste is off cd.
- fire elemental is off cd.
- trinket are passive.
- boss is static aka patchwerk mode.
How is the best way to achieve more dmg. haste pot,dps, then on 43 sec left pop wolfs, fire elemental (dont know if fire elem is buffed by BL) and BL? or save everything to the last 43 sec, pop wolfs, fire elemental and stack haste pot and bl?
I think I read somewhere that with haste pot and bl and some decent amount of haste from gear you could reach a sort off soft haste cap where you wouldn't benefit fully from it.
Is there a way to sim this?
Last edited by epamafia : 06/17/09 at 7:38 AM.
Fire Elemental is not affected by Bloodlust, so you should pop it immediately. In fact, assuming that combat will end after those 60 seconds, you should probably have popped it 60 seconds earlier in order to get the most use out of the 2 min duration, but you could save it if there's a risk that it'll go chasing off after an add.
There's no reason to save Bloodlust for the last 43 seconds unless the fight gets progressively harder as it goes on. If fight conditions remain constant you should use it early, so that the maximum number of people get the maximum benefit (i.e you don't pop it after people have died or run out of mana).
Wolves should be popped directly before Bloodlust, as they benefit from it. I don't believe they benefit from Potion of Speed, so you can pop that right after Bloodlust.
If the fight gets progressively harder during those 60 seconds then you should probably pop Bloodlust when there's 45 second to go, and Wolves directly afterwards, saving Potion of Speed for the final 20 seconds.
There's no reason to save Bloodlust for the last 43 seconds unless the fight gets progressively harder as it goes on. If fight conditions remain constant you should use it early, so that the maximum number of people get the maximum benefit (i.e you don't pop it after people have died or run out of mana).
Wolves should be popped directly before Bloodlust, as they benefit from it. I don't believe they benefit from Potion of Speed, so you can pop that right after Bloodlust.
If the fight gets progressively harder during those 60 seconds then you should probably pop Bloodlust when there's 45 second to go, and Wolves directly afterwards, saving Potion of Speed for the final 20 seconds.
I think between us we have nailed the Armour Penetration calcs that were out of whack in v1.7.0 (and the two subsequent patches) The new v1.7.0.3 is producing much better results for Armour Pen that match the formulae determined in the Combat Ratings at 80 thread on EJ.
I understand that Verges should be releasing this new v1.7.0.3 soon and I'd encourage everyone to use it. Whilst on the subject does anyone know of a way to contact Tukez, he hasn't been seen for a month or two so might be busy or just no longer interested in the game. It would be good to know if development on the new branch of EnhSim should continue or not - at least until the Java Group get some actual code written.
I understand that Verges should be releasing this new v1.7.0.3 soon and I'd encourage everyone to use it. Whilst on the subject does anyone know of a way to contact Tukez, he hasn't been seen for a month or two so might be busy or just no longer interested in the game. It would be good to know if development on the new branch of EnhSim should continue or not - at least until the Java Group get some actual code written.
When running EnhSim v 1.7.0 I am able to Sim my dps correctly, however, when I try to calculate my EP values, it gets to 9/14 and then crashes. Vista gives me an error and tells me the program has shut down. If you let me know what you need to research it, or if i'm making a simple mistake i'll gladly edit this post with the information (i.e. an error log or something, Vista only gives me the generic "program has shut down error" with some numbers at the bottom but i'm not sure if it'd be helpful). This happens no matter what the time period i Sim for is, or what my stats are. It's worked once in the past, and i didn't change anything that I can remember.
this is the last output file:
EnhSim version 1.7.0
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.35364% (61.7407 hit rating).
Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.22446 expertise (26.4325 expertise rating).
Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.22446 expertise (26.4325 expertise rating).
Calculating EP values...
Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated.
Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated.
Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated.
Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated.
Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated.
Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated.
Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated.
Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated.
and this is the config file i used:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI
simulation_time 10000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 5
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 300
max_lag 400
simulate_mana 1
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1
bloodlust_casters 1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 8
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SW
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 ES
rotation_priority5 MT
rotation_priority6 LS
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 SR
miss 8.0
dodge 6.5
glancing 24.0
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.0
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
replenishment 1
water_shield 0
mana_spring_totem 1
blessing_of_wisdom 1
judgement_of_wisdom 1
flask_elixir -
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food -
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
race tauren
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.50
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 27.48
oh_crit 27.48
mh_hit 12.17
oh_hit 12.17
mh_expertise_rating 133.00
oh_expertise_rating 133.00
ap 3433
melee_haste 7.65
armor_penetration 5.68
str 133
agi 760
int 419
spi 153
spellpower 1029
spell_crit 20.15
spell_hit 15.21
spell_haste 5.89
max_mana 10401
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant 2673
oh_enchant 2673
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
trinket1 40684
trinket2 40256
totem 40267
set_bonus1 -
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
metagem 41398
gloves_enchant -
cloak_enchant -
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 windfury_weapon
glyph_major3 -
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 1/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 3/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 2/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
and this is the Vista Error Info (under View Problem Details at the bottom):
Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: enhsim.exe
Application Version: 1.7.0.0
Application Timestamp: 49f1641d
Fault Module Name: enhsim.exe
Fault Module Version: 1.7.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 49f1641d
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00062997
OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: fd00
Additional Information 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
Additional Information 3: fd00
Additional Information 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
this is the last output file:
EnhSim version 1.7.0
Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.35364% (61.7407 hit rating).
Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.22446 expertise (26.4325 expertise rating).
Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.22446 expertise (26.4325 expertise rating).
Calculating EP values...
Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated.
Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated.
Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated.
Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated.
Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated.
Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated.
Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated.
Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated.
and this is the config file i used:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI
simulation_time 10000
simulation_time_combatlog 30
combat_length 5
report_count 80
threads 2
min_lag 300
max_lag 400
simulate_mana 1
ep_precision 2
ep_base_stat ap
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
mh_auto_attack 1
oh_auto_attack 1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1
bloodlust_casters 1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000
rotation_priority_count 8
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 SW
rotation_priority3 SS
rotation_priority4 ES
rotation_priority5 MT
rotation_priority6 LS
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 SR
miss 8.0
dodge 6.5
glancing 24.0
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.0
nature_resistance 0
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 52/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
replenishment 1
water_shield 0
mana_spring_totem 1
blessing_of_wisdom 1
judgement_of_wisdom 1
flask_elixir -
guardian_elixir -
potion -
food -
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
race tauren
mh_speed 2.60
oh_speed 2.50
mh_dps 143.5
oh_dps 156.6
mh_crit 27.48
oh_crit 27.48
mh_hit 12.17
oh_hit 12.17
mh_expertise_rating 133.00
oh_expertise_rating 133.00
ap 3433
melee_haste 7.65
armor_penetration 5.68
str 133
agi 760
int 419
spi 153
spellpower 1029
spell_crit 20.15
spell_hit 15.21
spell_haste 5.89
max_mana 10401
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant 2673
oh_enchant 2673
mh_weapon -
oh_weapon -
trinket1 40684
trinket2 40256
totem 40267
set_bonus1 -
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
metagem 41398
gloves_enchant -
cloak_enchant -
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 windfury_weapon
glyph_major3 -
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 1/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 3/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 2/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
and this is the Vista Error Info (under View Problem Details at the bottom):
Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: enhsim.exe
Application Version: 1.7.0.0
Application Timestamp: 49f1641d
Fault Module Name: enhsim.exe
Fault Module Version: 1.7.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 49f1641d
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00062997
OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: fd00
Additional Information 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
Additional Information 3: fd00
Additional Information 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
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Originally Posted by CommandoXXX
Fire Elemental is not affected by Bloodlust, so you should pop it immediately. In fact, assuming that combat will end after those 60 seconds, you should probably have popped it 60 seconds earlier in order to get the most use out of the 2 min duration, but you could save it if there's a risk that it'll go chasing off after an add.
There's no reason to save Bloodlust for the last 43 seconds unless the fight gets progressively harder as it goes on. If fight conditions remain constant you should use it early, so that the maximum number of people get the maximum benefit (i.e you don't pop it after people have died or run out of mana). Wolves should be popped directly before Bloodlust, as they benefit from it. I don't believe they benefit from Potion of Speed, so you can pop that right after Bloodlust. If the fight gets progressively harder during those 60 seconds then you should probably pop Bloodlust when there's 45 second to go, and Wolves directly afterwards, saving Potion of Speed for the final 20 seconds. |
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Originally Posted by Levva
at least until the Java Group get some actual code written.
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Originally Posted by epamafia
Forgot those conditions, no one dies or go oom and fight gets harder toward the end. Cant cast elemental before this. My main question is: what results in greater dmg? stacking haste pot and BL or using them separatly?
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Regardless, haste stacks multiplicatively. This means that it is very beneficial to stack sources of haste together (ie. pots during Hero/Lust).
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Originally Posted by epamafia
Forgot those conditions, no one dies or go oom and fight gets harder toward the end. Cant cast elemental before this. My main question is: what results in greater dmg? stacking haste pot and BL or using them separatly?
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You can probably contrive a test here by entering the amount of haste equal to Bloodlust in your config and disabling bloodlust casts (is that possible?). That would allow you to sim out haste dps with bloodlust. Then sim out the DPS of bloodlust + haste pot (again by entering the haste amounts manually and disabling the use of bloodlust). Then Sim out the haste potion without any bloodlust. Finally sim out your damage with no haste pot and no haste buff.
Your concern is what is the difference in dps between stacking BL/hast pot and not stacking. Not stacking the two together results in 55 seconds of hasted attack time, so you need to compare that to 55 seconds of attack time with them stacked (ie Normal DPS + stacked BL/Haste pot dps + BL dps time after Haste pot expires). With these numbers you do the following calculations
BL + Hast pot dps score calc. > Non hasted DPS * 15 seconds + BL/Haste Pot DPS * 15 seconds + BL Dps * 25 Seconds
BL with seperate hast pot calc. > Haste potion only DPS * 15 Seconds + BL DPS * 40 Seconds
After doing these two calculations you will know which one results in a higher output of damage overall.
Because if I tell you exactly I want need to know theres good chance you'll tell what I need to know or at least get close to it and not deviate from the question. Damn my english is rusty...
New version 1.7.0.3 compiled and available at:
http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe
MD5 Hash: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761
This version nails down the armor penetration bugs and damage reduction formulas.
http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe
MD5 Hash: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761
This version nails down the armor penetration bugs and damage reduction formulas.
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Originally Posted by epamafia
. Btw horac you can sim without BL, just reduce BL casters to 0.
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My speculation on the subject of which is better is that they will probably be very close to each other in overall damage output and will come down to how well you deal with the stacked haste situation (cooldown clash hell) vs not stacking the haste.
Last edited by Horac : 06/17/09 at 11:35 AM. Reason: added comment about what I think the results of the test will show.
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Originally Posted by tortugapir8
New version 1.7.0.3 compiled and available at:
http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe MD5 Hash: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761 This version nails down the armor penetration bugs and damage reduction formulas. |
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
My friend asked me this question, and being the curious guy I am, I decided to do some research on it: Boss spell penetration. Now according to a wide variety of websites out there, NPCs have a 2% base resistance to spells per level above you that can not be overcome ( See: Spell penetration - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft ). Additionally, the simulator leaves spell resistance figures set at 0. Isn't this a rather important oversight? I saw spell resistance numbers all the time in a raiding situation in TBC.
If this is the case, what numbers should we be using for spell resistance? Would the standard 8*Lvl work? |
int effective_nature_resistance = (nature_resistance_ + std::max<int>((TARGET_LEVEL - ATTACKER_LEVEL) * 5, 0) - std::min<int>(0/*spell penetration*/, 0));
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Do I have to change something in the config file too? I am a bit confused since Levva said there'd be better results for ArP. I just get an EP-Value of 1.42 after 20k hours calculations and well, this is exactly the same as before, with v1.7.0.0/.1/.2
so I didnt even notice anything, except a dps-loss of about 75.
Config-file:
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Results:
so I didnt even notice anything, except a dps-loss of about 75.
Config-file:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 20000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 SW rotation_priority4 MT rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir elixir_of_major_agility guardian_elixir elixir_of_mighty_thoughts potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.60 oh_speed 2.50 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 156.6 mh_crit 33.97 oh_crit 33.97 mh_hit 11.10 oh_hit 11.10 mh_expertise_rating 141.00 oh_expertise_rating 141.00 ap 4150 melee_haste 14.43 armor_penetration 3.00 str 131 agi 893 int 551 spi 155 spellpower 1245 spell_crit 25.84 spell_hit 13.88 spell_haste 11.10 max_mana 12381 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 45263 trinket2 40256 totem totem_of_hex set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41398 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 5/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Results:
EnhSim version 1.7.0.3 by Verges: scionweb@gmail.com Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.02364% (53.0842 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6899.46 ap 1.00 0.66 7030.53 131.07 crit rating 1.84 1.21 6935.63 36.17 hit rating 1.62 1.06 6931.29 31.83 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6899.46 haste rating 2.04 1.34 6939.55 40.09 armor penetration rating 1.43 0.93 6927.50 28.04 spellpower 1.03 0.68 7000.95 101.49 mh dps 5.42 3.55 6926.10 26.64 oh dps 2.73 1.79 6912.89 13.43 strength 1.10 agility 1.72 intelligence* 1.43 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6899.46 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6899.46 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6899.46 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.84, HitRating=1.62, HasteRating=2.04, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.43, SpellDamage=1.03, MainHandDps=5.42, OffHandDps=2.73, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.72, Intellect=1.43, Spirit=0.00, Mana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=2.04&dps=5.42&mp5=0.00&mcr=1.84&odps=2.73&spd=1.03&Agi=1.72&mhit=1.62&Int=1.43&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.43&Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 200000.00h elapsed real time: 561.81s simulation speed: 1281569x
Last edited by CroMe : 06/18/09 at 9:10 AM.
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Originally Posted by Sekhem
Is there a chance of getting the source for this new version, so I can compile for the Mac platform and include in iEnhSim? It seems this branch is where actual development is getting done, so I believe it's best for me to have my project using this engine as well.
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http://www.apatheia.org/download/es_1703.zip
I'm still seeing a random 20-25 dps increase in overall damage on occasion when running the Sim. Normally it would be very stable to within 2-3 dps no matter how often I ran the sim. Now, I find myself running at least 3-4 sims at 5000 hours each time until I'm satisfied I know the base dps value to pass on to my friend. Is there something wrong with the Sim that needs to be fixed to solve this problem?
Verges are you still unable to get your version of the source compiled with the multi-threading enabled?
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Originally Posted by tortugapir8
New version 1.7.0.3 compiled and available at:
http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe MD5 Hash: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761 This version nails down the armor penetration bugs and damage reduction formulas. |
Thanks for that!
I noticed that the "Unknown Trinket: xyz" message is gone for Mjolnir Runestone (45931) and Blood of the Old God (45522).
Is it right to assume that they've been implemented or did you just disable that output?
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Originally Posted by tortugapir8
This build is based on the 1.7.0 source and contains the following modifications:
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They are implemented.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Verges are you still unable to get your version of the source compiled with the multi-threading enabled?
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I've created a new site where users can post tickets and discussions about the new builds of EnhSim. I'll need to grant Verges access once he gets back to me on his user account. The plan is to host this branch and keep EnhSim alive until either Tukez returns and is willing to maintain the original or the Java version is stable and available for public use.
The new site is EnhSim - Home the latest v1.7.0.3 packaged with GUI & default config file is available for download there.
NB. The gui is the original Tukez version as we don't have the source for it. So its unlikely to ever get updated. This is only important so far as the drop downs are concerned they don't have the new trinkets. However typing in the item ID or using ShockAndAwe/Rawr exports will work just fine.
The new site is EnhSim - Home the latest v1.7.0.3 packaged with GUI & default config file is available for download there.
NB. The gui is the original Tukez version as we don't have the source for it. So its unlikely to ever get updated. This is only important so far as the drop downs are concerned they don't have the new trinkets. However typing in the item ID or using ShockAndAwe/Rawr exports will work just fine.
Last edited by Levva : 06/19/09 at 10:28 AM.
I selected the naxx melee and worldbreaker set bonuses on the gui, but I'm getting the message, "Set bonus not found". What's wrong with this?
I'm having a bit of issue when running the enhance sim, its giving a huge value for intell - 5-28 ep value and I cannot figure out why for the life of me, I've been through the sim repeated and I cannot figure it out. Any suggestions on why it is extremely overrating intell?
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Originally Posted by kelben
I'm having a bit of issue when running the enhance sim, its giving a huge value for intell - 5-28 ep value and I cannot figure out why for the life of me, I've been through the sim repeated and I cannot figure it out. Any suggestions on why it is extremely overrating intell?
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Putting SR to the top of the priority list will solve the int problem.
I've uploaded a new EnhSim v1.7.0.3b.zip to EnhSim - Release: V1.7.0.3b the major new addition to the zip is a pre-compiled Mac version for all you Mac users out there. Let me know how you get on using it.
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Originally Posted by Levva
I've uploaded a new EnhSim v1.7.0.3b.zip to EnhSim - Release: V1.7.0.3b the major new addition to the zip is a pre-compiled Mac version for all you Mac users out there. Let me know how you get on using it.
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BTW, Sekhem_FM/dankitymao should publish soon an 1.7.3 updated version of ienhsim - Google Code
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Originally Posted by Totentanz
the Mac binary does'nt work.
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Double clicking:
From Terminal:
PPC G5x2
Administrator$ /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim ; exit; -bash: /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim: cannot execute binary file logout [Process completed]
kyle-2:~ Administrator$ cd /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1 kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$ ./EnhSim -bash: ./EnhSim: cannot execute binary file kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$
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Originally Posted by Levva
Many thanks for the detailed and informative post giving full diagnostic information to enable me to fix the problem. Seriously mate what do you expect me to do with that info?
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Originally Posted by bobxii
Double clicking:
Administrator$ /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim ; exit; -bash: /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim: cannot execute binary file logout [Process completed] kyle-2:~ Administrator$ cd /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1 kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$ ./EnhSim -bash: ./EnhSim: cannot execute binary file kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$ |
PPC means PowerPC, as in not Intel (like the Macbook has); however the application info states that it is a "Universal" app (meaning dual executables, one for each architecture), so it should run on PowerPC just fine.
Why it doesn't, I have no idea.
Why it doesn't, I have no idea.
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This has been bothering be for a while now. I have not read all 2k+ posts in this thread so it might have been dealt with.
It's already been said that Rawr is overvaluing the SP stat (link) and thus shows Wraith Strike as a very good weapon while it might not be. I was eager to try this out so I did, but not without using EnhSim to check it. I expected EnhSim to clearly show this was not the case, but it did the opposite. It gives me a DPS increase of roughly 160 dps ABOVE Golden Saronite Dragon.(And basically all other known viable MH's)
Here's the rawr exports I used:
Wraith Strike:
Result: 3186.77 DPS
And with Golden Saronite Dragon:
Result: 3082.91 DPS
Am I dealing with a known issue, a bug, or is Wraith Strike actually a viable MH weapon?
I am using Rawr 2.2.7 and EnhSim 1.7.0
Thanks.
It's already been said that Rawr is overvaluing the SP stat (link) and thus shows Wraith Strike as a very good weapon while it might not be. I was eager to try this out so I did, but not without using EnhSim to check it. I expected EnhSim to clearly show this was not the case, but it did the opposite. It gives me a DPS increase of roughly 160 dps ABOVE Golden Saronite Dragon.(And basically all other known viable MH's)
Here's the rawr exports I used:
Wraith Strike:
########################################## ### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ### ########################################## config_source rawr race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 90.0 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 29.00 oh_crit 29.00 mh_hit 13.97 oh_hit 13.97 mh_expertise_rating 112 oh_expertise_rating 112 ap 3651 melee_haste 16.06 armor_penetration 2.52 str 131 agi 829 int 540 spi 154 spellpower 1556 spell_crit 21.58 spell_hit 17.46 spell_haste 12.35 max_mana 12216 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_enchant 3789 oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 45286 totem 40322 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5 ######### # Buffs # ######### armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 haste_buff 0.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 bloodlust_casters 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast combat_length 6.00
And with Golden Saronite Dragon:
########################################## ### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ### ########################################## config_source rawr race troll mh_speed 2.7 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 188.1 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 28.71 oh_crit 28.71 mh_hit 15.31 oh_hit 15.31 mh_expertise_rating 112 oh_expertise_rating 112 ap 3734 melee_haste 16.25 armor_penetration 2.52 str 131 agi 861 int 497 spi 154 spellpower 1120 spell_crit 20.64 spell_hit 19.14 spell_haste 12.50 max_mana 11571 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_enchant 3789 oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 45286 totem 40322 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5 ######### # Buffs # ######### armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 haste_buff 0.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 bloodlust_casters 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast combat_length 6.00
Am I dealing with a known issue, a bug, or is Wraith Strike actually a viable MH weapon?
I am using Rawr 2.2.7 and EnhSim 1.7.0
Thanks.
Last edited by eikons : 06/24/09 at 9:53 AM. Reason: additional information
Does the sim by any chance show that you are mana starved? Because that would explain what you are seeing.
Disable simulate mana if that is the case.
Disable simulate mana if that is the case.
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Does the sim by any chance show that you are mana starved? Because that would explain what you are seeing.
Disable simulate mana if that is the case. |
Last edited by eikons : 06/24/09 at 10:42 AM.
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Originally Posted by eikons
Am I dealing with a known issue, a bug, or is Wraith Strike actually a viable MH weapon?
I am using Rawr 2.2.7 and EnhSim 1.7.0 Thanks. |
V2.2.7 implements GCD interference model which has fixed the Wraith strike issue. In posting your config you completely neglected to either post the whole config so that people could run the sim and confirm your results or post the results for us to check. You need to post the key part of the config that isn't part of the export so that we can see what might be wrong. You also are using an out of date version of EnhSim, the current version is 1.7.0.3 and is available at EnhSim - Home
Hm, I think there is an issue with the way your rotation is defined. Using your configs I get:
5236 DPS - strike
5377 DPS for GSD
So could you post your rotation settings?
5236 DPS - strike
5377 DPS for GSD
So could you post your rotation settings?
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Originally Posted by OnosKT
Hm, I think there is an issue with the way your rotation is defined. Using your configs I get:
5236 DPS - strike 5377 DPS for GSD So could you post your rotation settings? |
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Thank you for your quick responses!
I have updated Rawr.Enhance to v2.2.7.19935 already. I neglected to mention that as it was not very relevant to the question at the end of my post. The position Wraith Strike takes in the list is the almost the same as it was in v2.2.7 - although some PvP weapons and Calamity slipped back above it with a minor margin.
As for the Simulator, I've updated it to 1.7.0.3b. I was not aware there was a new version as the gui links to EnhSim: Downloads where the updated version is not (yet) posted.
The updated EnhSim seems to work correctly, although I still find it surprising how "well" Wraith competes considering it being an SP weapon.
Here's all settings I use btw. I've overwritten the old version So I can't say what the settings were on my previous test, surely I've done something very wrong.
Anyways thank you again for your quick responses and awesome work on EnhSim/Rawr!
I have updated Rawr.Enhance to v2.2.7.19935 already. I neglected to mention that as it was not very relevant to the question at the end of my post. The position Wraith Strike takes in the list is the almost the same as it was in v2.2.7 - although some PvP weapons and Calamity slipped back above it with a minor margin.
As for the Simulator, I've updated it to 1.7.0.3b. I was not aware there was a new version as the gui links to EnhSim: Downloads where the updated version is not (yet) posted.
The updated EnhSim seems to work correctly, although I still find it surprising how "well" Wraith competes considering it being an SP weapon.
Here's all settings I use btw. I've overwritten the old version So I can't say what the settings were on my previous test, surely I've done something very wrong.
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 ES_SS rotation_priority3 SS rotation_priority4 ES rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LL rotation_priority7 SR rotation_priority8 SW miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/13.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 171.3 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 29.92 oh_crit 29.92 mh_hit 13.97 oh_hit 13.97 mh_expertise_rating 128 oh_expertise_rating 128 ap 3778 melee_haste 13.08 armor_penetration 2.52 str 131 agi 865 int 497 spi 154 spellpower 1133 spell_crit 21.80 spell_hit 17.46 spell_haste 10.06 max_mana 11571 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 45286 trinket2 40684 totem 40322 set_bonus1 naxx_melee_2 set_bonus2 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 2/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Anyways thank you again for your quick responses and awesome work on EnhSim/Rawr!
Last edited by eikons : 06/24/09 at 12:51 PM.
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Originally Posted by eikons
although I still find it surprising how "well" Wraith competes considering it being an SP weapon.
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My EP values for mainhand weapon dps is around 5.3 but my EP value for 0.1 mainhand weapon speed is over 700. If Blizzard gave us a 232 caster dps claw with a 2.7 speed I would bet large sums of gold that it would beat the crap outta GSD even though it would be 7 ilevels below it. Wrathstrike is basically equal to Calamity's Grasp even though CG is 13 ilevels better. Please keep all of that in mind before disparaging SP weapons.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
My EP values for mainhand weapon dps is around 5.3 but my EP value for 0.1 mainhand weapon speed is over 700.
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Originally Posted by hozzer
Are you sure you didn't slip a decimal point there? I got around 70 EP for 0.1 mainhand weapon speed and use 700 as the value for 1 weapon speed in lootrank.
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If weapon speed is a constant then we are left evaluating the other stats.
WS
90.3 dps
461 spellpower
vs
CG
171.3 dps
98 AP
81dps difference = 429.3 EP
461 - 98 = 363 EP
putting CG at 66.3 EP over WS
Actual EP values I get for them from lootrank
CG = 3008.65
WS = 2953.88
(keep in mind that CG is 13 ilevels over WS)
GSD (an equivalent 13 ilevel push over CG) = 3225.93
Gimme a 232 caster weapon (7 ilevels less) with a 2.7 speed and I still will bet it's gonna be worth more then GSD. Just not holding my breath for Blizzard to itemize one for us.
Is there any problem known with simming totems?
I beleave since I have reinstalled my pc i get errors when I try to sim with totems in the priority list.
Everything works well without the totems in the list.
I beleave since I have reinstalled my pc i get errors when I try to sim with totems in the priority list.
Everything works well without the totems in the list.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
The computation would be exponential on the number of item slots (assuming a multiple options for each slot). However the number of slots is fixed for practical applications. If you have some total number of items N with m slots, you maximize the number of combinations at (N/m) items per slot, with the number of combinations being (N/m)^m, or N^m / m^m. Of course with m being constant (17? maybe more if you count glyphs etc.) this will be O(N^m) which would be clearly in P.
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As to the topic at hand. You say you'll include some mechanism to compare two items, Malan. I take it that regular runs with some constant output like EP is still going to be able given your current set? I would have offered to help but my time is limited.
I was flirting with the idea of writing a Python wrapper around the current EnhSim to test out potential upgrades and calculate a personal BiS list. It doesn't sound too hard but recalculating gem slots and such made me shelve the idea. Anyway, the idea was to feed the script with a set of items and let it generate config files for enhsim. Let it parse data during the night or something and let it return with the findings once it cannot find a better combination. If you already incorporate an option to check one item, you can easily do several.
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Originally Posted by Synkronos
The sim doesn't build up your stats from actual items and gems and enchants tho, it relies on being fed those values pre-calculated by WoW
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Originally Posted by Malan
The new jEnhSim will do this. We are modeling gear on a per-slot basis, to include gems.
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I urge you not to spend development time and focus on things that already exist - but rather on the "core business" of the simulator.
Thanks for doing this work! Looking forward to 1.0.
I sincerely apologize for my absence -- sadly, the business that I own and various RL concerns kind've took over for a while.
The good news is this - iEnhSim 1.0.4, including multithreading, Vergas' 1.7.0.3 engine, and the new trinkets that 1.7.0.3 supports (Mjolnir, Blood of the Old God, Dark Matter, and Elemental Focus Stone), is now available at ienhsim.googlecode.com !
I will try to keep updates much more frequent from this point forward.
Also, as a little bonus for those who haven't discovered it yet ... the Shaman icon in the lower right corner is clickable.
I know that the development of jEnhSim is underway, but hopefully this gives my fellow Mac users something to use in the here and now =D
Edit: It's not a huge deal, since iEnhSim is already hosted at Google Code, but is there any chance of getting a mention on the new site at Codeplex?
Also...I forgot to mention ... iEnhSim is now FULLY Universal Binary! PowerPC users, rejoice
The good news is this - iEnhSim 1.0.4, including multithreading, Vergas' 1.7.0.3 engine, and the new trinkets that 1.7.0.3 supports (Mjolnir, Blood of the Old God, Dark Matter, and Elemental Focus Stone), is now available at ienhsim.googlecode.com !
I will try to keep updates much more frequent from this point forward.
Also, as a little bonus for those who haven't discovered it yet ... the Shaman icon in the lower right corner is clickable.
I know that the development of jEnhSim is underway, but hopefully this gives my fellow Mac users something to use in the here and now =D
Edit: It's not a huge deal, since iEnhSim is already hosted at Google Code, but is there any chance of getting a mention on the new site at Codeplex?
Also...I forgot to mention ... iEnhSim is now FULLY Universal Binary! PowerPC users, rejoice
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Originally Posted by paladyin
Rawr already does that very well. It also has an armory scraper and a button to export to EnhSim.
I urge you not to spend development time and focus on things that already exist - but rather on the "core business" of the simulator. Thanks for doing this work! Looking forward to 1.0. |
Rawr works great, but we always get the nagging feeling that we don't know if the numbers are 100%. Even if jEnhsim is great, we would (and should) have the same doubts. For this reason I don't see serious theorycrafters moving away from one or the other, so hopefully the non-overlapping features hold priorty
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Originally Posted by paladyin
Rawr already does that very well. It also has an armory scraper and a button to export to EnhSim.
I urge you not to spend development time and focus on things that already exist - but rather on the "core business" of the simulator. |
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Originally Posted by Raut
As to the topic at hand. You say you'll include some mechanism to compare two items, Malan. I take it that regular runs with some constant output like EP is still going to be able given your current set? I would have offered to help but my time is limited.
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Last edited by Malan : 07/10/09 at 10:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Care to explain this in more detail? Showing items X and Y as A and B "EP" shouldn't be any different from C and D "DPS". EP translates into DPS after all. Swapping items would ruin your fundament for reaching that figure, it being EP or DPS. Or are you trying to incorporate some subtraction of items into the equation to get this "DPS" number?
I'm all for you guys rebuilding EnhSim in Java to make it more portable and what Malan wrote about making fixed variables exist outside of the binary for easy editing sound good. However, I don't think swapping EP for DPS would be a good choice if you're not planning to subtract the item you are replacing in favor of this new item and running the sim again with the new stats. If nothing else, EP is abstract enough to allow us to give it certain rules, like "EP is highly situational and will vary when you change items or change ability priority". If you say item X has A DPS and item Y has B DPS where B > A, and swapping the two results in a DPS loss, I'm sure the jEnhSim thread will be consumed in flames. (Imagine the calculation where your findings gave hit and exp low to zero "DPS" because caps were reached. You swap for a crit trinket and DPS goes down.) I may be missing some vital part of the puzzle here and if so please enlighten me. (Hm. Is calculating every piece of gear to find a BiS list an NP complete problem?) |
The sim computes DPS based on a set of gear, if you give it your current gear and calc dps then change an item and calc its dps you can compare the difference as a change in DPS. This is basic basic stuff.
Now to do the same with EP, you calculate the EP values of your current gear, and work out the EP value of the item you are swapping, then swap it and calculate the new EP values and see what changed.
However the problem is do you use the EP values of the gear before you swap the item to compare the two items or the EP values after you compare the two items, or the EP value for one item before the change vs the EP value for the other after the change?? Its perfectly possible to find the EP value for an item changes by equipping it.
eg: You want to check out if a trinket is an upgrade. With EP you calc your EP values and apply that to the old trinket and the new one and find that the new trinket is better. So you equip the new trinket. HOWEVER it can happen that if you now recalculate the EP values (now the new trinket is equipped) and apply it to the old trinket and the new that the changes in EP are such that the OLD trinket now has a higher EP value.
THIS is why relying on EP is a BAD idea. When the sim produces raw dps figures why would you convert to the moving target that is EP.
Instead what you should compare is the dps of your gear without anything in that slot, vs the dps with old trinket and dps of new trinket. That then gives you the dps value of old trinket and dps value of new trinket. This then makes a simple comparison possible.
One of the goals I'd like to see for jEnhSim is to add an optimiser. This would take one or more gear options for each slot and try to determine what is the highest dps of those combinations of gear. In order to do this doing a basic "try every combo" would never work as the number of combinations rapidly grows beyond what would be a reasonable execution time. So instead the plan is to use a Genetic Algorithm to quickly hone in on the BiS solution. A mate of mine has written textbooks on GAs and has offered to help.
However this is all a long way off as first we need more help to actually build the sim. At present there is NO development on EnhSim, I've set up a site with the source but no-one is working on it so we will not have a v3.2 patch sim unless someone volunteers to help. The problem really is that EnhSim in C++ is not something that any of the current volunteers has much experience with and so its REALLY difficult to maintain without break it and giving false results. Instead the hope is to build a new sim in Java that we do actually know how it works but at present only two people are really working on it which is simply not enough.
My own time is vanishingly small over the next few months. I've barely been able to keep up on the forums let alone do any development work, hence no ShockAndAwe updates, no Rawr updates etc. I suspect I may be able to do some work on these things the 2nd week in August when I'm off on a training course in London. However at the end of August I'm off on holiday for 3 weeks so not likely to be able to do much until the end of September.
So please volunteer people.
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Originally Posted by Levva
The sim computes DPS based on a set of gear, if you give it your current gear and calc dps then change an item and calc its dps you can compare the difference as a change in DPS. This is basic basic stuff.
Now to do the same with EP, you calculate the EP values of your current gear, and work out the EP value of the item you are swapping, then swap it and calculate the new EP values and see what changed. However the problem is do you use the EP values of the gear before you swap the item to compare the two items or the EP values after you compare the two items, or the EP value for one item before the change vs the EP value for the other after the change?? Its perfectly possible to find the EP value for an item changes by equipping it. eg: You want to check out if a trinket is an upgrade. With EP you calc your EP values and apply that to the old trinket and the new one and find that the new trinket is better. So you equip the new trinket. HOWEVER it can happen that if you now recalculate the EP values (now the new trinket is equipped) and apply it to the old trinket and the new that the changes in EP are such that the OLD trinket now has a higher EP value. THIS is why relying on EP is a BAD idea. When the sim produces raw dps figures why would you convert to the moving target that is EP. Instead what you should compare is the dps of your gear without anything in that slot, vs the dps with old trinket and dps of new trinket. That then gives you the dps value of old trinket and dps value of new trinket. This then makes a simple comparison possible. |
We know EP is flawed and is currently the red headed stepchild that everyone loves to beat. Still it the best way for us to predict upgrades, not actually calculate them. EnhSim and whatnot could still give you a raw DPS figure for an item if a wrapper was in place. I, and I bet most of you, already know that EP is limited by certain rules and we have to apply some thought into items before we can assert it is an upgrade. Wonky haste values, soft and hard caps, weapon speed and so on. Still, it is the only way for us to predict upgrades that do not follow a strict stats+X upgrade path. I don't see how you can offer something like this in jEnhSim without running every possible upgrade or inventing "jEP - the totally new scale that is totally not EP". Also having the different stats broken down to how much they contribute is a huge plus in my book.
So far this is the only thing that I've reacted on with jEnhSim. Maybe it's me explaining poorly as this predicting issue is what's bothering me and I haven't seen it addressed. I wouldn't mind both DPS and EP.
Ok as I see it EP is simply a quick n dirty method for humans to work out the value of an item without a computer. You can take a set of EP values and manually apply them to items.
With computers you can quite easily work out the ACTUAL dps contribution of any item. If you have ever used Rawr you would know what I mean. Whilst it uses a closed form solution rather than a sim it does very quickly and easily display what items are upgrades and every single item it displays shows its actual dps contribution, rather than some vague EP value.
So you are very wrong to state that EP is the only way to predict upgrades.
With computers you can quite easily work out the ACTUAL dps contribution of any item. If you have ever used Rawr you would know what I mean. Whilst it uses a closed form solution rather than a sim it does very quickly and easily display what items are upgrades and every single item it displays shows its actual dps contribution, rather than some vague EP value.
So you are very wrong to state that EP is the only way to predict upgrades.
I don't think I am. The means to get a prediction greatly affect the actual worth of said prediction. Rawr uses far simpler models to reach an item's worth. That's not a flaw in Rawr, it's just that enhancement theory doesn't fit into typical Rawr modules because you can't find good mean values for abilities. For enhancement you simulate over time.
Then again, your view may be that the Rawr enhance module is good enough. Mine is that it isn't. If that is your standpoint, then yes, from your PoV I am wrong.
Are you trying to move jEnhSim away from being a simulator? I wouldn't expect you too if nothing else than the name. If jEnhSim still is meant to simulate every change, possibly with longer execution time due to the move to Java, you are looking at a crapton of hours to check most items from a new instance like Ulduar. If you plan to make a "DPS" variable to stats for actual loot predictions, I don't see how that is an improvement over what EP is today.
EP isn't quick and dirty. It's a variable set by hours of simulation. Like most simulations that try to predict unknown changes it's not completely reliable.
Then again, your view may be that the Rawr enhance module is good enough. Mine is that it isn't. If that is your standpoint, then yes, from your PoV I am wrong.
Are you trying to move jEnhSim away from being a simulator? I wouldn't expect you too if nothing else than the name. If jEnhSim still is meant to simulate every change, possibly with longer execution time due to the move to Java, you are looking at a crapton of hours to check most items from a new instance like Ulduar. If you plan to make a "DPS" variable to stats for actual loot predictions, I don't see how that is an improvement over what EP is today.
EP isn't quick and dirty. It's a variable set by hours of simulation. Like most simulations that try to predict unknown changes it's not completely reliable.
A simple comparison is not what I care about when trying to Min/Max. If it was simple then a lot of the scrubs that suck wouldn't really suck quite so hard, it would just be ability execution that determined how good/bad they are.
I personally dislike EP, but I still find it to be the best way to determine gear. Granted, I check my EP values after increasing each stat individually and then I check them after once again by seeing how they adjust when I raise 2 or more values or raise one and lower another and I try to find the optimal means to obtain my goals. Then I test this ingame and try multiple different gemming schemas over a few weeks in actual encounters to see how they play out in "real-world" conditions and realistic problems that occur in practice whilst DPS'ing. The sim after all, can only prepare you for a perfect scenario.
It's obvious to me however from reading this thread that everyone seems to determine their gear upgrades through a different method, and many end up coming to the same conclusions or close to one another, so I would say, to each his own. What it comes down to at that point is gemming and enchanting for what you need.
I probably didn't convey myself as clearly as I could but I do think I got my point across.
I personally dislike EP, but I still find it to be the best way to determine gear. Granted, I check my EP values after increasing each stat individually and then I check them after once again by seeing how they adjust when I raise 2 or more values or raise one and lower another and I try to find the optimal means to obtain my goals. Then I test this ingame and try multiple different gemming schemas over a few weeks in actual encounters to see how they play out in "real-world" conditions and realistic problems that occur in practice whilst DPS'ing. The sim after all, can only prepare you for a perfect scenario.
It's obvious to me however from reading this thread that everyone seems to determine their gear upgrades through a different method, and many end up coming to the same conclusions or close to one another, so I would say, to each his own. What it comes down to at that point is gemming and enchanting for what you need.
I probably didn't convey myself as clearly as I could but I do think I got my point across.
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Originally Posted by Raut
I don't think I am. The means to get a prediction greatly affect the actual worth of said prediction. Rawr uses far simpler models to reach an item's worth. That's not a flaw in Rawr, it's just that enhancement theory doesn't fit into typical Rawr modules because you can't find good mean values for abilities. For enhancement you simulate over time.
... EP isn't quick and dirty. It's a variable set by hours of simulation. Like most simulations that try to predict unknown changes it's not completely reliable. |
By simming the difference in DPS, however, you can better compare entire sets of gear as well as see exactly how much a change will affect you. (EP values cannot tell you this because large upgrades in EP for one piece may drop the EP on another piece.)
Well Levaa's point is that EP is *not* actually a way to see if an item is 'better' than another item. It's a good way to check in-game for the relative value of some items. But unless the items you're comparing have the same stat allocations with different values, then you can't strictly say that an item with a higher EP total is best. But you can sim your gear stats with that item and compare against your current set to find out if it actually is an increase or not.
I've actually had this happen lately where several upgrades cause certain known BiS items to drastically plunge in EP value - the hard mode neck from Freya in particular.
So anyways, all Levaa is saying is that in his view we should move toward referring to the dps potential of an item (relative to your equipped gear) rather than EP.
I've actually had this happen lately where several upgrades cause certain known BiS items to drastically plunge in EP value - the hard mode neck from Freya in particular.
So anyways, all Levaa is saying is that in his view we should move toward referring to the dps potential of an item (relative to your equipped gear) rather than EP.
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Originally Posted by Falcon213
I think you got lost somewhere. EP is "quick and dirty" in that, with the EP values for you're current set of gear, it is a way to tell at a quick glance if one piece is better than another, although swapping pieces could greatly change your EP calcs. So while it is good for judging a single upgrade, it is pretty ineffective at judging multiple changes to your gear setup.
By simming the difference in DPS, however, you can better compare entire sets of gear as well as see exactly how much a change will affect you. (EP values cannot tell you this because large upgrades in EP for one piece may drop the EP on another piece.) |
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Originally Posted by Malan
Well Levaa's point is that EP is *not* actually a way to see if an item is 'better' than another item. It's a good way to check in-game for the relative value of some items. But unless the items you're comparing have the same stat allocations with different values, then you can't strictly say that an item with a higher EP total is best. But you can sim your gear stats with that item and compare against your current set to find out if it actually is an increase or not.
I've actually had this happen lately where several upgrades cause certain known BiS items to drastically plunge in EP value - the hard mode neck from Freya in particular. So anyways, all Levaa is saying is that in his view we should move toward referring to the dps potential of an item (relative to your equipped gear) rather than EP. |
For testing some new gloves and boots we're taking:
* Regular DPS sim
* Sim without gloves
* Sim with new gloves
* Sim without boots
* Sim with new boots
* Sim with new boots and new gloves
If you toss in a couple of bracers you can add:
* Sim without bracers
* Sim with new bracers
* Sim with new bracers and gloves
* Sim with new bracers and boots
* Sim with new bracers, boots and gloves
This stacks up very fast. Doing clean runs without doing the combo runs would be as detrimental as trusting EP blindly.
I understand that several people dislike EP. I also understand it's fundamental flaws and how it is misleading to insert them into lootrank and expect a BiS list to appear. Still, EnhSim calculates EP values by adding these stats to your current set.
I've said this before but maybe I haven't made myself clear; using EP is a neat way of guessing the future. Yes, it's limited by your current set and a stat's worth is how much DPS you gain by adding the template stat value from the config. It still shows you a trend. Based on this trend, which is far from as correct as simming all potential future upgrades, you can see items that stand out on top of your list. Based on this list and what I've gathered about jEnhSim, you can verify these findings by running actual sims on this trend. Using maybe the top two items in each slot(we're probably talking hours of CPU time to test 17x2 slots if you are planning something like I suggested above). The result can give you an answer to the trend and also suggest a new trend if you so wish. If the new trend, based on EP, looks very different from the first one, you start over. You will still have eliminated hours and hours of actual sim time compared to a whole instance. And without EP, how could you not include the whole instance's loot table? You have no way to weight stats.
By the end of jEnhSim(Raut edition)'s cycles of calculating EP and looking over trends(like looking at lootrank), you'd end up with a set that the sim cannot find suitable upgrades for.
Nah my thought on the process was:
1) Input your current equipment with enchants and gems
2) Input any changes you want to make to that on a second panel. This would include changing out any gems to stay at/under caps.
3) The sim runs a thread for set and shows you the dps differences.
So if you wanted to add a different set of bracers, gloves and boots all at once, you'd get a single sim run showing the result of equipping all three of those simultaneously (along with any gemming/enchant changes).
The whole idea was to simplify the most common uses of the sim, one of which is to anwer "is item 1 better than item 2?"
1) Input your current equipment with enchants and gems
2) Input any changes you want to make to that on a second panel. This would include changing out any gems to stay at/under caps.
3) The sim runs a thread for set and shows you the dps differences.
So if you wanted to add a different set of bracers, gloves and boots all at once, you'd get a single sim run showing the result of equipping all three of those simultaneously (along with any gemming/enchant changes).
The whole idea was to simplify the most common uses of the sim, one of which is to anwer "is item 1 better than item 2?"
You'd need three "naked" runs with each of the current items taken off first. Then single upgrade runs for each of the three upgrades and finally a run with all three potential upgrades. That is if I correctly understand your goal of getting a DPS figure for each item. Then again, you could argue that this approach was wrong as you are moving towards a new set and comparing each piece in the old set environment will make DPS values polluted by the old set. An item's relative worth in the new set could be very different from the old.
At least I've gotten the answer I was looking for. jEnhSim will discontinue any loot prognosis bar simming each and every possible upgrade and for it to work on a BiS list, it has to sim every combination of sets that you give it. I urge you to reconsider. For those of us that have no problems working with the limitations of EP, we are losing a pretty nifty tool. I fully support your claim that a sim run on an item is the only way to make sure you are looking at an upgrade. Our problem now would be that of 10-30 slot_x items, we would have to run sims. Not only that but there are 17 slots in total and single upgrade sim runs are only slightly better than EP because of stat shifting.
At least I've gotten the answer I was looking for. jEnhSim will discontinue any loot prognosis bar simming each and every possible upgrade and for it to work on a BiS list, it has to sim every combination of sets that you give it. I urge you to reconsider. For those of us that have no problems working with the limitations of EP, we are losing a pretty nifty tool. I fully support your claim that a sim run on an item is the only way to make sure you are looking at an upgrade. Our problem now would be that of 10-30 slot_x items, we would have to run sims. Not only that but there are 17 slots in total and single upgrade sim runs are only slightly better than EP because of stat shifting.
I suppose if someone wanted to create a wrapper that was fed a list of items and then continued to calculate a BiS list overnight that would be possible, but not with the default version.
And AFAIK, EP hasn't been abandoned. It still has its uses even for those who don't use it to find gear upgrades, for gems and enchants.
And AFAIK, EP hasn't been abandoned. It still has its uses even for those who don't use it to find gear upgrades, for gems and enchants.
I'm... not sure if you are trying to troll me, Falcon213. Your posts seem to be very erratic. We've already talked about wrappers that can calculate individual upgrades. For an entire instance, we're talking around 10 items that you should check for each slot. That's 2 015 993 900 449 combinations. If the sim used one second on every iteration of gear, we'd still look at 23 333 262 days worth of sim time.
From what I've gathered, both Malan and Levva have stated that EP is undesirable and they are moving away from it. I'm trying to rally for it's future survival.
From what I've gathered, both Malan and Levva have stated that EP is undesirable and they are moving away from it. I'm trying to rally for it's future survival.
I don't know that you can really say there are 10 viable choices for BiS for each item slot. At worst I would say there are 4-5, and in some cases BiS is quite obvious even with a wide range of EP values (which are admitedly flawed, but if you open the range up, they can definitely bracket "true" EP values).
I'd say a more realistic situation is one where you have 3 options for BiS in each of the 17 slots (personally I still feel this is quite conservative as I'm usually deciding between 2-3 in some slots, with some having clear winners). So 17 slots ^ 3 options per slot, gives only 4913 different combinations. A much more reasonable number, and while it would still take on the order of days to sim every combination, it's doable.
TLDR: A few simple assumptions, and well informed decisions about reasonable choices for best in slot items can make it a manageable problem.
I'd say a more realistic situation is one where you have 3 options for BiS in each of the 17 slots (personally I still feel this is quite conservative as I'm usually deciding between 2-3 in some slots, with some having clear winners). So 17 slots ^ 3 options per slot, gives only 4913 different combinations. A much more reasonable number, and while it would still take on the order of days to sim every combination, it's doable.
TLDR: A few simple assumptions, and well informed decisions about reasonable choices for best in slot items can make it a manageable problem.
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Originally Posted by Raut
You'd need three "naked" runs with each of the current items taken off first. Then single upgrade runs for each of the three upgrades and finally a run with all three potential upgrades. That is if I correctly understand your goal of getting a DPS figure for each item. Then again, you could argue that this approach was wrong as you are moving towards a new set and comparing each piece in the old set environment will make DPS values polluted by the old set. An item's relative worth in the new set could be very different from the old.
At least I've gotten the answer I was looking for. jEnhSim will discontinue any loot prognosis bar simming each and every possible upgrade and for it to work on a BiS list, it has to sim every combination of sets that you give it. I urge you to reconsider. For those of us that have no problems working with the limitations of EP, we are losing a pretty nifty tool. I fully support your claim that a sim run on an item is the only way to make sure you are looking at an upgrade. Our problem now would be that of 10-30 slot_x items, we would have to run sims. Not only that but there are 17 slots in total and single upgrade sim runs are only slightly better than EP because of stat shifting. |
Running a sim for at least 10,000 hours sim time for every possible one of these hundreds of thousands of gear combos would take an unacceptable length of time. A Genetic Algorithm can be employed to short cut a lot of these combinations, by various possible methods it aims to hone in on the best solution with far far fewer runs of the sim. It might still take say 30-40 mins to do a BiS calc but it would at least give a result.
HOWEVER the initial aim of jEnhSim is to allow users to enter their gear setup and get a dps value in exactly the same manner as EnhSim. It will also be able to run and give you EP calcs so you won't actually lose anything. So I really really don't see what your problem is. Note also that Java apps will not run any noticeably slower than C++ due to JIT (just in time compilation), assuming of course you are running at least Java v6.
What we have been talking about making it easier to compare gear by having a side by side comparison option, you enter your gear and then say I want to compare this slot item. It will then run two different runs and show you the dps difference. We intend to make it much easier to compare two specific items. At present you need to convert stats to percentages and remember to add effects like AGI giving crit and AP and 30% SP. So changing AGI in current sim is a pain. In jEnhSim we aim to have stats per slot so you can just change the stats on that slot and re-run.
The BiS optimiser is a longer term goal and is most certainly not its initial focus. I trust this makes it easier to understand the goals?
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Originally Posted by Nevets_69
I don't know that you can really say there are 10 viable choices for BiS for each item slot. At worst I would say there are 4-5, and in some cases BiS is quite obvious even with a wide range of EP values (which are admitedly flawed, but if you open the range up, they can definitely bracket "true" EP values).
I'd say a more realistic situation is one where you have 3 options for BiS in each of the 17 slots (personally I still feel this is quite conservative as I'm usually deciding between 2-3 in some slots, with some having clear winners). So 17 slots ^ 3 options per slot, gives only 4913 different combinations. A much more reasonable number, and while it would still take on the order of days to sim every combination, it's doable. TLDR: A few simple assumptions, and well informed decisions about reasonable choices for best in slot items can make it a manageable problem. |
Given the scenario above, I'm not disagreeing with you. You would have to select a subset of all gear to have any hope of completing a simulation. My point was that with EP you could easily cut most items from your list and concentrate on your potential BiS list. After simulating you repeat. After a few iterations you would have something the sim can't find suitable upgrades for.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Have you heard of Genetic Algorithms? These are computing techniques to solve problems where the number of possibilities are massive. I completely and utterly agree that taking even a couple of items per slot and attempting to work out every possible combo means that you could have hundreds of thousands of possible combos (especially if you are considering gems/enchants too which you'd have to do).
Running a sim for at least 10,000 hours sim time for every possible one of these hundreds of thousands of gear combos would take an unacceptable length of time. A Genetic Algorithm can be employed to short cut a lot of these combinations, by various possible methods it aims to hone in on the best solution with far far fewer runs of the sim. It might still take say 30-40 mins to do a BiS calc but it would at least give a result. HOWEVER the initial aim of jEnhSim is to allow users to enter their gear setup and get a dps value in exactly the same manner as EnhSim. It will also be able to run and give you EP calcs so you won't actually lose anything. So I really really don't see what your problem is. Note also that Java apps will not run any noticeably slower than C++ due to JIT (just in time compilation), assuming of course you are running at least Java v6. What we have been talking about making it easier to compare gear by having a side by side comparison option, you enter your gear and then say I want to compare this slot item. It will then run two different runs and show you the dps difference. We intend to make it much easier to compare two specific items. At present you need to convert stats to percentages and remember to add effects like AGI giving crit and AP and 30% SP. So changing AGI in current sim is a pain. In jEnhSim we aim to have stats per slot so you can just change the stats on that slot and re-run. The BiS optimiser is a longer term goal and is most certainly not its initial focus. I trust this makes it easier to understand the goals? |
As to "what my problem is"; This is the first time I've seen that there are plans to support some loot prediction in jEnhSim. So far I've been told that you are planning to "move away" from EP and that simulations of gear is much better. As no replacement system was mentioned I raised my concern. Plain comparing loot isn't viable so I hope you can see why I would be concerned. I haven't kept up with Java development for years and I have doubts about non-machine code running as fast as compiled machine code but I will take your word for it.
Having side by side comparison of slots like you describe above it a really nice feature and I have supported this from the beginning. My only concern was removing one of the two interesting variables from the current EnhSim, namely EP. Now I've been told jEnhSim will feature EP which is great. You are planning on a viable algorithm to replace EP and that's just superb. I'll join you in tossing EP on the deep end for something better the first chance we get.
Now that we're starting to understand eachother(or at least I am), care to explain in greater detail your plans for applying a generic algorithm or is there somewhere I can read your plans?
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Originally Posted by Raut
You'd need three "naked" runs with each of the current items taken off first. Then single upgrade runs for each of the three upgrades and finally a run with all three potential upgrades. That is if I correctly understand your goal of getting a DPS figure for each item.
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And when we say 'moving away from EP' we didn't mean removing it from the sim, just placing less emphasis on that and more emphasis on actually simulating the items that you want to use. (Which is really what people should be doing right now.)
I really don't get this "simming without X slot equipped" business. Calculating dps contribution for an item is just as meaningless as calculating its EP (I think this has been mentioned but the discussion continues). What we should care about is which is better between two (sets of) items. Of course, finding our best configuration involves many such comparisons, but we still shouldn't dally around with simming unequipped configs.
What's the site for enhsim source, and what's the distribution license on it? It seems like 3.2 changes shouldn't require any overhauls; accounting for new trinkets and set bonuses I guess should be it right? I certainly can't promise anything (let alone anything great) but if I have some time I might peek at it and see.
What's the site for enhsim source, and what's the distribution license on it? It seems like 3.2 changes shouldn't require any overhauls; accounting for new trinkets and set bonuses I guess should be it right? I certainly can't promise anything (let alone anything great) but if I have some time I might peek at it and see.
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enhsim.codeplex.com
One of the major issues is that tukez never provided the source for the gui, only the for the backend.
I don't either. I don't see how anything other than "what I have now" vs "what I plan to equip" is meaningful.
One of the major issues is that tukez never provided the source for the gui, only the for the backend.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I really don't get this "simming without X slot equipped" business.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I really don't get this "simming without X slot equipped" business. Calculating dps contribution for an item is just as meaningless as calculating its EP (I think this has been mentioned but the discussion continues). What we should care about is which is better between two (sets of) items. Of course, finding our best configuration involves many such comparisons, but we still shouldn't dally around with simming unequipped configs.
What's the site for enhsim source, and what's the distribution license on it? It seems like 3.2 changes shouldn't require any overhauls; accounting for new trinkets and set bonuses I guess should be it right? I certainly can't promise anything (let alone anything great) but if I have some time I might peek at it and see. |
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Originally Posted by Raut
You are assuming some form of deterministic mechanism to select you potential BiS list then?
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Originally Posted by Raut
I have heard of Genetic Algorithms. But the term alone isn't enough for me to understand how you are supposed to apply it.
Now that we're starting to understand eachother(or at least I am), care to explain in greater detail your plans for applying a generic algorithm or is there somewhere I can read your plans? |
Head Slot
Shoulder Slot
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Trinket two
Head Enchant
Shoulder Enchant
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Ring two Enchant
as the parts of the Chromosome and each part will be filled with a value 1,2,3,..n where n is the number of options the user specified for that slot. If this is just 1 item the value of that part will always be 1 if there are more than one item (including variants on gemmings) then that part could be filled by a number up to n.
So the Chromosome representation is a string of numbers of a fixed length. (Head use item 1, shoulder use item 6, back use item 2 etc). This is effectively one possible combination of the players gear and will form an input to the sim. The sim will output a total dps value for that set of gear. Thus in a purely deterministic model you would work through each and every one of many many thousands of permutations to work out which set was best.
With a GA you take a small group of Chromosome representations and pick the best ones from the group discarding the rest. You then breed them (again lots of ways of doing this) attempting to pick the most attractive attributes (again lots of ways of achieving this) from each Chromosome. This produces a new Chromosome set which forms the next "generation" of possible solutions. The idea is that by "breeding" successful genes you hone in on the best result. You can also introduce random mutations of the genes with low probability with the idea of giving the process a nudge if its getting stuck on an invalid solution. The precise methods of selecting the breeding pairs, picking the attractive attributes and mutation parameters is part of the art of choosing a suitable GA methodology.
Basically what you do is start crude, and refine, so you might even start with a small time run of the sim eg: 1000 hrs and build up as it hones in on a solution until the final generation candidates could be running at 50k-100k hour sims to check exactly what the best was. The idea is that by trying possibles and discarding bad ones you hone in on what is best. Small example it could try swapping in a gem that had a lot of stamina instead of attackpower and it would rapidly realise that whenever it did those genes produced poorer offspring, so it would discard the weaker genes (solutions that used stamina gems) in favour of a survival of the fittest solution (ones that preferred attack power gems). Although every now and then it might have a mutation and have a crit gem instead which it would keep if it was better and discard if it wasn't. This actually works to very quickly with limited numbers of actual calculations to hone in on the solution. It is of course possibly that it gets stuck and doesn't find a solution but with careful design this possibility is minimised.
It all sounds terribly weird, however its how a huge amount of modern "solution builder" models work these days, from working out routes in SatNav systems, predicting the weather, financial forecasting models etc. There is a whole branch of Computer Science devoted to developing new GAs and methods of using them. My mate is deeply involved in this and as I say has written Academic papers on the subject. So I'll be guided by him in deciding what options might work.
We may also have in our midst some dedicated Computer Science students looking for a PhD Thesis project and this might just fit the bill as it has sufficient scope and possibility for original thought in the GA design. I'd be happy for any such individual to work on this as their PhD project.
However please understand that the implementation of a GA and an optimiser will be a stage of development only once the sim actually returns real results. As it would be impossible to construct a GA if you couldn't actually get any sim results in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Levva
However please understand that the implementation of a GA and an optimiser will be a stage of development only once the sim actually returns real results. As it would be impossible to construct a GA if you couldn't actually get any sim results in the first place.
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Regarding genetic algorithms: They are generally most-effective in situations where the evaluation is both semi-trivial and deterministic, while the solution space is ridiculously large. When you consider how gem choice can create many unique pieces, you definitely have the large search space even when you limit the initial gear choices. However, as fast as enhsim is....... I'm not sure if you will reach the runtime-accuracy trade-off that you need.
Some level of formal solution exists in Rawr for Enhancement Shaman, correct? Please consider baking this into your architecture from the beginning. I may be a "simulation guy", but I'm one who truly values the strengths of closed-form solutions. If your architecture can share a great deal of game mechanics between simulation and formulation, you will enable the use of multiple "solver" techniques. Yes, we can run our simulation with limited iterations, but when rolling down the gradients of your solution space, determinism is a very valuable attribute.
Good luck!
If you are interested in reducing variance at the cost of a little accuracy, I encourage you to check out: http://simulationcraft.googlecode.co...unk/sc_rng.cpp The use of roll-specific "smooth" RNG packages when performing EP-generation (not raw dps reporting) has been a HUGE runtime saver.
All right, I think I have the following implemented:
Trinkets:
Victor's Call
Talisman of Volatile Power
Banner of Victory
Abyssal Rune
Death's Verdict
Totems:
Relentless Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability
Furious Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability
Relentless Gladiator's Totem of Survival
Furious Gladiator's Totem of Survival
Totem of Electrifying Wind
Totem of Quaking Earth
T9 2/4 piece Elemental (regalia) and Enhancement (battlegear) set bonuses
Shamanistic Rage cooldown/coefficient change
I will probably spend some time doing some unit tests on these tomorrow, and I still need to figure out how to share the updates out for other folks to test. Until then, if you know of anything else I should add, either missing now (like the furious totems I've already got) or announced for 3.2 (I think I added all the items from mmo-champion and I also looked over the PTR notes) please post here or PM me.
Trinkets:
Victor's Call
Talisman of Volatile Power
Banner of Victory
Abyssal Rune
Death's Verdict
Totems:
Relentless Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability
Furious Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability
Relentless Gladiator's Totem of Survival
Furious Gladiator's Totem of Survival
Totem of Electrifying Wind
Totem of Quaking Earth
T9 2/4 piece Elemental (regalia) and Enhancement (battlegear) set bonuses
Shamanistic Rage cooldown/coefficient change
I will probably spend some time doing some unit tests on these tomorrow, and I still need to figure out how to share the updates out for other folks to test. Until then, if you know of anything else I should add, either missing now (like the furious totems I've already got) or announced for 3.2 (I think I added all the items from mmo-champion and I also looked over the PTR notes) please post here or PM me.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Instead what you should compare is the dps of your gear without anything in that slot, vs the dps with old trinket and dps of new trinket. That then gives you the dps value of old trinket and dps value of new trinket. This then makes a simple comparison possible.
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The matter of simple comparisons is not simple, because of the caps. An item that changes the hit/expertise balance needs regemming/reenchanting in order to make a meaningful comparison. Today, with the tools we have, this is what I do to perform a "simple" item comparison:
1. Simulate dps with current gear
2. In rawr, replace the current item with the one I want to compare
3. Also in rawr, painstakingly regem/reenchant to optimize hit and expertise
4. Export the stats from rawr to enhsim, simulate, compare with results of step 1
Step 3 can be nothing at all or can affect several other items. From a purist minmaxing perspective it is also error prone, since the item change can affect the relative weights of stats (crit vs AP for example) but in my regemming I assume the "old" stat weights. Typically to adress this I have to make "feedback loops" betwen steps 3 and 4, and, as others also noted, real world tests.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to do this for each possible upgrade, and repeat the whole process after each actual upgrade. The compromise I use is ofc EP.
I am sure this is something you guys already thought about, personally I don't see any easy solutions, but having the ability to do this "in real time" (or just faster) would be kinda fantastic.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Nah my thought on the process was:
1) Input your current equipment with enchants and gems 2) Input any changes you want to make to that on a second panel. This would include changing out any gems to stay at/under caps. 3) The sim runs a thread for set and shows you the dps differences. [...] The whole idea was to simplify the most common uses of the sim, one of which is to anwer "is item 1 better than item 2?" |
TLDR:
- recreating the functions of EnhSim in Java - kudos, the community is addicted to the tool, tukez seems MIA
- recreating the paperdoll functions of Rawr in jEnhSim - questionable investment of time
- writing a gear optimizer in the future - kudos again, although I lack the apparatus to understand how this will realistically work
- getting rid of EP - only after we have a proven better alternative, please
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Originally Posted by paladyin
I am not sure why you mention simming with an empty slot.
The matter of simple comparisons is not simple, because of the caps. An item that changes the hit/expertise balance needs regemming/reenchanting in order to make a meaningful comparison. Today, with the tools we have, this is what I do to perform a "simple" item comparison: 1. Simulate dps with current gear 2. In rawr, replace the current item with the one I want to compare 3. Also in rawr, painstakingly regem/reenchant to optimize hit and expertise 4. Export the stats from rawr to enhsim, simulate, compare with results of step 1 Step 3 can be nothing at all or can affect several other items. From a purist minmaxing perspective it is also error prone, since the item change can affect the relative weights of stats (crit vs AP for example) but in my regemming I assume the "old" stat weights. Typically to adress this I have to make "feedback loops" betwen steps 3 and 4, and, as others also noted, real world tests. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do this for each possible upgrade, and repeat the whole process after each actual upgrade. The compromise I use is ofc EP. I am sure this is something you guys already thought about, personally I don't see any easy solutions, but having the ability to do this "in real time" (or just faster) would be kinda fantastic. |
THIS is what the aim of the GA optimiser is in jEnhSim. You enter your current gear add in extra possible items and it will play around with the possibilities INCLUDING gems/enchants and tell you what is the best setup. Rawr already does this and does it well, however as has been noted actually simming an Enhancement setup rather than modelling it will give more accurate results.
It mimics what most people want from a sim, I have this bunch of gear equipped and this other stuff in my bags. "What combination of this kit and what gems/enchants gives me the best results?" The design of the optimiser is to answer this question.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I will probably spend some time doing some unit tests on these tomorrow, and I still need to figure out how to share the updates out for other folks to test.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I will probably spend some time doing some unit tests on these tomorrow, and I still need to figure out how to share the updates out for other folks to test. Until then, if you know of anything else I should add, either missing now (like the furious totems I've already got) or announced for 3.2 (I think I added all the items from mmo-champion and I also looked over the PTR notes) please post here or PM me.
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Mind updating the Orc option to include fist weapons? Also the engineering and tailoring bonuses will need to be updated.
Engineering
haste gloves - 340 haste for 10 seconds with a 1 minute cooldown to 340 haste for 12 seconds with a 1 minute cooldown
rocket gloves - 1440 to 1760 Fire damage on a 45 second cooldown to 1654 to 2020 Fire damage on a 45 second cooldown
Tailoring
Lightweave - 250 spellpower to 295 spellpower
Swordguard - 300 AP to 400 AP
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Originally Posted by Sylvand View Post I will probably spend some time doing some unit tests on these tomorrow, and I still need to figure out how to share the updates out for other folks to test. Until then, if you know of anything else I should add, either missing now (like the furious totems I've already got) or announced for 3.2 (I think I added all the items from mmo-champion and I also looked over the PTR notes) please post here or PM me. |
Ulduar BiS list
I have recently begun using RAWR as a means of generating stat pages for export into Enhsim to identify a final BiS list. I am of the understanding that many people on this forum do not see value in a BiS list due to a) availability of gear and b) relative stat weightings and their volatility based on gear combinations. It is precisely this volatility though that I am looking to address in defining a BiS set. I am approaching BiS set up currently, and am tired of simming individual pieces of gear/enchants/gems etc in search of the highest dps, whilst always knowning that there is likely a different combination available to me that could result in 50-100 more dps. With Ulduar drawing to a close, I think it would be valuable to develop a finalised BiS set that people can look to in their remaining weeks of raiding.
I for one am particularly interested to explore the benefit of Comet's Trail/Dark Matter measured against the crit loss required to maintain hit cap, the ideal off-set tier item (Gloves or Shoulders?) and the ideal ring combination. I am certain that these are the main questions that other Ulduar 25 geared shaman are asking themselves, or will be asking themselves soon.
Since the sim provides us with a clear indication of our maximum dps potential, I am simply looking for the single gear/gem/enchant combination that provides me with the highest potential DPS.
I have done my own tests but given the number of potential combinations I think a collaborative approach would be best. I am envisaging:
a) an agreed set of parameters for any tests
b) the upload of paperdoll sheets (Rawr or other paperdoll interface) with accompanying config files demonstrating results.
c) correction and re-upload of sheets/configs until an optimal setup is reached. The integrity of the config pages will be important since they buff/lag variables must be consistent.
We can begin the process now and make amendments when Comet’s Trail is added to the sim (I am running latest exe through the 1.7.0 GUI btw)
I will start the ball rolling. A few words on the parameters:
1) I used 10m combat durations- most encounters run for approx 10 mins, and either way it certainly is not too short an amount of time to arrive at reliable data
2) I used 50-60 lag since this is the average US ping (yes I know this does not account for human reaction error, but I am interested in potential).
3) I used JC and LW for the professions as they both provide generic +64 AP.
4) I used a Tauren since they do not receive any dmg bonus from their racials. I am aware that the BiS gearing will be moderately affected by Draenei racial and slightly affected by Orc racial.
5) I used Deadly Gladiator Totem as it is the best available on current version of Enhsim. Obviously Furious will provide superior DPS.
6) I used a generic priority order: SW>MW5>ES_SS>SS>ES>LL>MT>LS. I am aware that there are different opinions on ideal priority list, but for the puproses of this I am sure we can agree tha this priority order will suffice.
7) I used a generic spec 16/55/0- as above.
8) I am fully raid buffed- because if you aren't, then this list probably has little relevance to you in the first place.
I managed to achieve a report of 7121dps with the following:
Rawr sheet: http://uploading.com/files/V8LJMJL1/...50709.xml.html
Config
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 1000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 10 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 50 max_lag 60 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 9 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_relentless_assault guardian_elixir - potion haste_potion food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.7 oh_speed 2.7 mh_dps 188.1 oh_dps 178.9 mh_crit 35.23 oh_crit 35.23 mh_hit 12.66 oh_hit 12.66 mh_expertise_rating 136 oh_expertise_rating 136 ap 4430 melee_haste 13.16 armor_penetration 2.44 str 135 agi 883 int 541 spi 155 spellpower 1329 spell_crit 27.16 spell_hit 15.82 spell_haste 10.13 max_mana 12231 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 45931 trinket2 45522 totem 42606 set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
This config serves as the baseline. If you are able to find a gear/gem/enchant combination that sims higher than this in the current version of enh sim, please post the paperdoll sheet and the config. Furthermore, if you find errors in my own paperdoll, config or methodology please post as I welcome any suggestions. Tyvm in advance.
P.S I think the process would be made easier by an online paperdoll interface, but I was unable to locate one. Is someone able to suggest one?
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Originally Posted by paladyin
- recreating the paperdoll functions of Rawr in jEnhSim - questionable investment of time
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
P.S I think the process would be made easier by an online paperdoll interface, but I was unable to locate one. Is someone able to suggest one?
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
Ulduar BiS list
I have recently begun using RAWR as a means of generating stat pages for export into Enhsim to identify a final BiS list. I am of the understanding that many people on this forum do not see value in a BiS list due to a) availability of gear and b) relative stat weightings and their volatility based on gear combinations. It is precisely this volatility though that I am looking to address in defining a BiS set. I am approaching BiS set up currently, and am tired of simming individual pieces of gear/enchants/gems etc in search of the highest dps, whilst always knowning that there is likely a different combination available to me that could result in 50-100 more dps. With Ulduar drawing to a close, I think it would be valuable to develop a finalised BiS set that people can look to in their remaining weeks of raiding. |
Beyond that, I would say you are restricting far too many variables for your test. It doesn't make any sense to pick Tauren for a couple reasons. First, you may not have freedom on your faction, depending on who you want to raid with. Second, and Orc would never ever reroll Tauren to squeeze out more dps, but a Tauren might reroll Orc. The hunter BiS list accounted for this by having a BiS alliance and horde version, though in theory you could have only one which showed the best race overall.
Also, things like rotation and talent spec should not be fixed, as they are practically free to change. If your spec and/or rotation are always optimal, let it be shown in the highest dps config.
Lastly, if you think there is merit to this project, you might want to start a new thread. I do plan to have an EnhSim Beta out probably tomorrow night that will include the items you mention, though it will also include the 3.2 changes mentioned so 3.1 results might be a little off.
Regarding genetic algorithms:
Levva, based off of your explanation of a genetic algorithm, wouldn't the same problems that surface with EP occur? You give the specific example of swapping out an ap gem for a stamina gem and having the algorithm realize that AP is more beneficial. However, how does an algorithm deal with hit and its various soft caps? More importantly, can an algorithm like that deal with fluctuating values? x haste for instance might seem better than ap at one point in the "breeding" but at another point it may indeed be worse. Basically, if a genetic algorithm consistently chooses the most sucessful stats and combines them with other combinations of the most sucessful stats, does it realize that stacking for a certain stat may not be beneficial due to fluctuating values? I feel like its a distinct possibility that an algorithm like this will try to stack certain stats because the initial batches will all produce combinations where a certain stat is the best (hit for example). This ignores that a mix of stats is usually better. I guess this depends on how the algorithm chooses which chromosomes are the most fit within each batch however.
Levva, based off of your explanation of a genetic algorithm, wouldn't the same problems that surface with EP occur? You give the specific example of swapping out an ap gem for a stamina gem and having the algorithm realize that AP is more beneficial. However, how does an algorithm deal with hit and its various soft caps? More importantly, can an algorithm like that deal with fluctuating values? x haste for instance might seem better than ap at one point in the "breeding" but at another point it may indeed be worse. Basically, if a genetic algorithm consistently chooses the most sucessful stats and combines them with other combinations of the most sucessful stats, does it realize that stacking for a certain stat may not be beneficial due to fluctuating values? I feel like its a distinct possibility that an algorithm like this will try to stack certain stats because the initial batches will all produce combinations where a certain stat is the best (hit for example). This ignores that a mix of stats is usually better. I guess this depends on how the algorithm chooses which chromosomes are the most fit within each batch however.
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Originally Posted by clliche
Regarding genetic algorithms:
Levva, based off of your explanation of a genetic algorithm, wouldn't the same problems that surface with EP occur? You give the specific example of swapping out an ap gem for a stamina gem and having the algorithm realize that AP is more beneficial. However, how does an algorithm deal with hit and its various soft caps? More importantly, can an algorithm like that deal with fluctuating values? x haste for instance might seem better than ap at one point in the "breeding" but at another point it may indeed be worse. Basically, if a genetic algorithm consistently chooses the most sucessful stats and combines them with other combinations of the most sucessful stats, does it realize that stacking for a certain stat may not be beneficial due to fluctuating values? I feel like its a distinct possibility that an algorithm like this will try to stack certain stats because the initial batches will all produce combinations where a certain stat is the best (hit for example). This ignores that a mix of stats is usually better. I guess this depends on how the algorithm chooses which chromosomes are the most fit within each batch however. |
One can certainly imagine a strain that survives several generations even with an excess of expertise/hit rating, on sheer virtue of its otherwise superior gear. However the idea behind GA is that this strain should eventually produce offspring or mutations that replace some of that expertise/hit with a better stat, and as a result will perform even better.
Generally speaking, all optimisations can be thought of as the minimisation of some function, by variation of the parameters. The issue with GAs and many other techniques is that the optimisation can be caught in a local minima. GAs try to avoid this by peturbing each generation with some random genes. However, the larger the "valleys" due to local minima, the larger the random peturbations need to be to escape them. As these random peturbations increase, the time taken to compute a solution increases.
There are solutions to this too, including reducing the peturbation size over time, etc, but AFAIK there's no general method. Each problem needs to have a highly tuned GA associated with it. I'm sure this is possible for jEnhSim to achieve, but it's certainly non-trivial, and I'd agree that this should probably be the last item on the to do list.
There are solutions to this too, including reducing the peturbation size over time, etc, but AFAIK there's no general method. Each problem needs to have a highly tuned GA associated with it. I'm sure this is possible for jEnhSim to achieve, but it's certainly non-trivial, and I'd agree that this should probably be the last item on the to do list.
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Originally Posted by Schwolop
Generally speaking, all optimisations can be thought of as the minimisation of some function, by variation of the parameters. The issue with GAs and many other techniques is that the optimisation can be caught in a local minima. GAs try to avoid this by peturbing each generation with some random genes. However, the larger the "valleys" due to local minima, the larger the random peturbations need to be to escape them. As these random peturbations increase, the time taken to compute a solution increases.
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. When it gets to the computational power requirements that GA requires, it may become simpler (relatively) to use it to come up with the most accurate closed-form solution possible instead of directly solving for the optimum condition; even if it is a 14-dimensional set (rank 14+ tensor, IIRC), the benefit of being able to explicitly solve for the best solution (using a closed-form equation) likely outweighs the trouble to get to it numerically.Actually on that note, a few of the stats (dimensions) can be trivialized with statistical approximations to reduce the dimensionality (AP and ArP, for example) of the overall equation. Several require simulation to arrive at an accurate model (haste, crit, hit, 4pc t8, weapon speeds, most procs... that's it(?!))
Of course, a simpler way would be to put together the set of all possible gear combinations (within a certain gear range and that meet certain criteria (hit and exp capped), to be sure), and sim them all. It would be (ridiculously) computationally expensive, but isn't terribly difficult to code for, and it only needs doing once. Then simply host it on a server where the Rawr package can make direct comparisons between gear pieces.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
If the difference between BiS and second BiS is 0.5 dps, and your simulation stddev is 5 dps, how do you figure out which would be better?
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| Beyond that, 10 minutes is not necessarily a reasonable measure, as a lot of fights are not this long (Hodir hard of course comes to mind). I would tend to say 6 minutes might be more reasonable. |
| It doesn't make any sense to pick Tauren for a couple reasons. First, you may not have freedom on your faction, depending on who you want to raid with. Second, and Orc would never ever reroll Tauren to squeeze out more dps, but a Tauren might reroll Orc. The hunter BiS list accounted for this by having a BiS alliance and horde version, though in theory you could have only one which showed the best race overall. |
Since this is a gear analysis and not a gear + race analysis, I think it would be appropriate to remove racials as a variable from the equation. Anything that other races are able to achieve over the listed Tauren results is a bonus for them.
Finally, my gut feeling is that racials will not affect gearing choices as much as we might expect. In the optimal set up that I was able to discover, expertise was uncapped and hit was well over cap. Efforts to cap expertise and dump hit in favour of crit resulted in a dps loss. My point is that expertise and hit values are highly dynamic, and I do not expect the Draenei or Orc racials to greatly affect the gearing results (orcs/trolls obviously would achieve higher dps due to Command, Zerker etc). Still, it would make sense for people to share any results they find that disprove this hypothesis.
| Also, things like rotation and talent spec should not be fixed, as they are practically free to change. If your spec and/or rotation are always optimal, let it be shown in the highest dps config. |
| Lastly, if you think there is merit to this project, you might want to start a new thread. |
| I do plan to have an EnhSim Beta out probably tomorrow night that will include the items you mention, though it will also include the 3.2 changes mentioned so 3.1 results might be a little off. |
I have completed the first part of this project and am keen for some feedback. I will post what I have done here for discussion and feedback, and if the feedback is generally positive I will then open a new thread in the Shaman forum. Since this project is about finding the single highest dps set up as indicated through Enhsim, I am sure that the information is still relevant to this thread. The next two posts are as they would appear in a new thread.
Edit: I have started a new thread to house this discussion. It can be found at [Enhancement] BiS gear and set-up discussion
The following posts/responses relate to posts that have been moved to the above link.
Edit: I have started a new thread to house this discussion. It can be found at [Enhancement] BiS gear and set-up discussion
The following posts/responses relate to posts that have been moved to the above link.
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I simmed ~7239 with MT above LL, by the way.
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Originally Posted by bobxii
I simmed ~7239 with MT above LL, by the way.
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Maybe your simulation time is a little bit to low (even if you're simulating 10 times). I would prefer a simulation time of 100000 hours.
I'm happy to announce EnhSim v1.8.0 test release is available for download.
I've documented the changes as best I can, so even if you don't run the build please take a look and see if there's anything off. For now I expect the proc chance on the trinkets and totems may be off, but I have limited data so far. If folks have access to these items on PTR and can get some more numbers it would be much appreciated.
I've also done some basic sanity checks on pretty much all the items, and things seem to be consistent with what you would expect from the rest of the simulator. If anyone can take time to play with it and let me know how it goes that of course is also appreciated.
Again feel free to PM me or reply here. I'll also be watching the 3.2 thread for relevant updates.
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.0
p.s. I've also attempted to fix the Mac binary in there (though it doesn't have my changes, not sure what version it is really) so if there are any Mac folks that can try it out, let me know.
I've documented the changes as best I can, so even if you don't run the build please take a look and see if there's anything off. For now I expect the proc chance on the trinkets and totems may be off, but I have limited data so far. If folks have access to these items on PTR and can get some more numbers it would be much appreciated.
I've also done some basic sanity checks on pretty much all the items, and things seem to be consistent with what you would expect from the rest of the simulator. If anyone can take time to play with it and let me know how it goes that of course is also appreciated.
Again feel free to PM me or reply here. I'll also be watching the 3.2 thread for relevant updates.
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.0
p.s. I've also attempted to fix the Mac binary in there (though it doesn't have my changes, not sure what version it is really) so if there are any Mac folks that can try it out, let me know.
my BiS equip reaches 7186-7187 dps. if you use the pvp totems it might be 10dps higher - i dont use it. also i use tuskarr's vitality (/cat's swiftness) since it's better than anything else in reality imo, if you want best possible dps in sim change it - i go for best possible dps ingame.
i've used v1.8.0 since comet's trail isnt implemented in 1.0.7.3b. in 1.0.7.3b i get 7036 without the procc from comet's trail.
so here it is:
rawr xml
enhsim cfg
//edit i removed the comet's trail and tested if 1.0.7.3b and 1.0.8 are showing the same results, they do.
i've used v1.8.0 since comet's trail isnt implemented in 1.0.7.3b. in 1.0.7.3b i get 7036 without the procc from comet's trail.
so here it is:
rawr xml
enhsim cfg
//edit i removed the comet's trail and tested if 1.0.7.3b and 1.0.8 are showing the same results, they do.
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@Vespsian: Is there any particular reason you elected to use Relentless Assault and Haste potion over Endless Rage and potion of speed?
I noticed that you're using 2 Balanced Twilight Opals. Wouldn't the BiS be better served by using Enchanted Tear (+6 to all Stats)?
Peterle, I ran the sim using 10000 hour simulations and the results were identical. If there is a reason why you think the extende simulation hours would provide different/more accurate data, can you please post at [Enhancement] BiS gear and set-up discussion
Mjoed, thanks for this. I took your work and expanded upon it by tyding up the enchants and talent spec. I was able to achieve roughly 7280 dps.
Deathicle, that was just me being bad. FixT.
Mjoed, thanks for this. I took your work and expanded upon it by tyding up the enchants and talent spec. I was able to achieve roughly 7280 dps.
Deathicle, that was just me being bad. FixT.
I'm seeing posts of EnhSim Version 1.8.0
where is this downloadable from?
I've only see 1.7 available on any major links =/
where is this downloadable from?
I've only see 1.7 available on any major links =/
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Originally Posted by suicidalkatt
I'm seeing posts of EnhSim Version 1.8.0
where is this downloadable from? I've only see 1.7 available on any major links =/ |
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
It's not the default release, but you should see it on the list. If you want the direct link you can find it above.
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WTB Pruning. =/
Current History of downloads have been from:
EnhSim: Downloads
Downloads - enhsim - Google Code
Think you could link me to a download?
Page 91. Five posts prior your question :-)
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.0
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.0
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Originally Posted by Peterle
Page 91. Five posts prior your question :-)
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.0 |
Edit: Tyvm btw :P
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I'm happy to announce EnhSim v1.8.0 test release is available for download.
p.s. I've also attempted to fix the Mac binary in there (though it doesn't have my changes, not sure what version it is really) so if there are any Mac folks that can try it out, let me know. |
From the BiS discussion:
Is someone able to shed some light on this?
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Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen
Using the gear profile in SimulationCraft I come out about 80dps shy of the values reported there.
(2) I've found that MW3 or MW4 is always a dps-loss for me, primarily because SimulationCraft will always reset the swing timers when inserting non-instant casts into the priority. What does EnhSim do with the swing timers in these cases? |
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I've run some quick 1000h tests on your BiS config, using the same rotation but toggling the last two:
MW3_CL + MW4_LB: 7194.84
MW3_CL: 7211.91
MW4_LB: 7228.14
neither: 7288.89
Thanks for the catch. I would venture a guess that MW4_X is not going to be in the rotation.
Doesn't this go against testing earlier in the thread? I'm sure that it was confirmed by in game testing that MW4_LB didn't reset your swing timer.
Edit: See page 53 EnhSim, DPS simulator
Edit: See page 53 EnhSim, DPS simulator
The post explains that in-game testing demonstrates that the swing timer is not reset, however it is unclear on whether or not the sim models this correctly. Is anyone able to confirm?
The DPS-report in the BiS thread shows a delta of 3% crit difference between SS/WF vs MH.
This tells me that EnhSim uses 3% crit-depression for MH and no crit-depression for specials?
SimulationCraft uses "3% + delta_level*0.6%" for crit-depression when delta_level>=3.
It also applies the crit-depression to specials in addition to MH/OH.
I'm ready to make the change to mirror EnhSim, I just need some confirmation that my understanding is correct.
This tells me that EnhSim uses 3% crit-depression for MH and no crit-depression for specials?
SimulationCraft uses "3% + delta_level*0.6%" for crit-depression when delta_level>=3.
It also applies the crit-depression to specials in addition to MH/OH.
I'm ready to make the change to mirror EnhSim, I just need some confirmation that my understanding is correct.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Yes this appears to be a bug -- the only time the swing timer is reset for LB, CL and even LvB is when you have 0 stacks of MW. I have just checked the fix into codeplex.
I've run some quick 1000h tests on your BiS config, using the same rotation but toggling the last two: MW3_CL + MW4_LB: 7194.84 MW3_CL: 7211.91 MW4_LB: 7228.14 neither: 7288.89 Thanks for the catch. I would venture a guess that MW4_X is not going to be in the rotation. |
It's not a bug, that is how it should be modeled. Casting with any stacks of MW active changes the nature of casting any spell so that it doesn't reset the swing timer. If a cast time intersects a swing then that swing doesn't occur but the swing timer is not reset, provided there is at least 1 stack of MW active.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
It's not a bug, that is how it should be modeled. Casting with any stacks of MW active changes the nature of casting any spell so that it doesn't reset the swing timer. If a cast time intersects a swing then that swing doesn't occur but the swing timer is not reset, provided there is at least 1 stack of MW active.
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And, not that it's super relevant but does LvB work the same way? I know MW doesn't affect it, but does it clip rather than reset when MW is up?
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Hmm, ok so with 0 stacks is the only case LB and CL reset the swing timer? I can revert that part then and make sure it correctly clips.
And, not that it's super relevant but does LvB work the same way? I know MW doesn't affect it, but does it clip rather than reset when MW is up? |
As far as I can tell every spell works that way when MW is active. I tested it with Hex back then and it also clipped instead of resetting, although that won't matter any more in 3.2 since there won't be any other spell to worry about except for Lava Burst.
Ok it looks like the current implementation for casting with 1-4 MW stacks is that it will delay the swing timers by the cast time. I've double checked this with a combat log run, instrumented to show the cast time and MH swing time left when casting starts. It produced this sequence:
0h 0m 35.08s MH crit 3051.52
0h 0m 35.08s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (1)
0h 0m 35.27s OH hit 713.127
0h 0m 35.27s OH Flametongue hit 429.343
0h 0m 35.55s Magma totem hit 828.765
0h 0m 35.81s Spirit Wolf crit 1201.92
0h 0m 35.81s Spirit Wolf crit 1201.92
0h 0m 36.2s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 36.2s Casting started (126, 7) <- 1.26s to cast, 0.07s originally remaining on MH swing
0h 0m 36.77s Spirit Wolf hit 600.962
0h 0m 36.77s Spirit Wolf hit 600.962
0h 0m 37.25s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 37.46s Lightning Bolt hit 4231.89 <- LB cast 1.26s later as expected
0h 0m 37.51s Earth shock crit 6034.34
0h 0m 37.51s Elemental Focus procs
0h 0m 37.53s MH crit 3051.52 <- MH swing 0.07s seconds after
So it looks like there is a bug in this. I also noticed that chain lightning seems to be given a 1.5s base cast time, which should be 2.0s instead.
If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and fix these. In particular the MH swing would have reset at 36.27 without firing (similarly OH) and the CL base cast time will be 2 seconds.
0h 0m 35.08s MH crit 3051.52
0h 0m 35.08s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (1)
0h 0m 35.27s OH hit 713.127
0h 0m 35.27s OH Flametongue hit 429.343
0h 0m 35.55s Magma totem hit 828.765
0h 0m 35.81s Spirit Wolf crit 1201.92
0h 0m 35.81s Spirit Wolf crit 1201.92
0h 0m 36.2s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 36.2s Casting started (126, 7) <- 1.26s to cast, 0.07s originally remaining on MH swing
0h 0m 36.77s Spirit Wolf hit 600.962
0h 0m 36.77s Spirit Wolf hit 600.962
0h 0m 37.25s Global cooldown off
0h 0m 37.46s Lightning Bolt hit 4231.89 <- LB cast 1.26s later as expected
0h 0m 37.51s Earth shock crit 6034.34
0h 0m 37.51s Elemental Focus procs
0h 0m 37.53s MH crit 3051.52 <- MH swing 0.07s seconds after
So it looks like there is a bug in this. I also noticed that chain lightning seems to be given a 1.5s base cast time, which should be 2.0s instead.
If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and fix these. In particular the MH swing would have reset at 36.27 without firing (similarly OH) and the CL base cast time will be 2 seconds.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Ok it looks like the current implementation for casting with 1-4 MW stacks is that it will delay the swing timers by the cast time. I've double checked this with a combat log run, instrumented to show the cast time and MH swing time left when casting starts. It produced this sequence:
0h 0m 35.08s MH crit 3051.52 0h 0m 35.08s Maelstrom Weapon stacks (1) 0h 0m 35.27s OH hit 713.127 0h 0m 35.27s OH Flametongue hit 429.343 0h 0m 35.55s Magma totem hit 828.765 0h 0m 35.81s Spirit Wolf crit 1201.92 0h 0m 35.81s Spirit Wolf crit 1201.92 0h 0m 36.2s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 36.2s Casting started (126, 7) <- 1.26s to cast, 0.07s originally remaining on MH swing 0h 0m 36.77s Spirit Wolf hit 600.962 0h 0m 36.77s Spirit Wolf hit 600.962 0h 0m 37.25s Global cooldown off 0h 0m 37.46s Lightning Bolt hit 4231.89 <- LB cast 1.26s later as expected 0h 0m 37.51s Earth shock crit 6034.34 0h 0m 37.51s Elemental Focus procs 0h 0m 37.53s MH crit 3051.52 <- MH swing 0.07s seconds after So it looks like there is a bug in this. I also noticed that chain lightning seems to be given a 1.5s base cast time, which should be 2.0s instead. If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and fix these. In particular the MH swing would have reset at 36.27 without firing (similarly OH) and the CL base cast time will be 2 seconds. |
Any idea on when you can have that ready for testing? You've got me very curious to see how the sim results will change once you get it working properly.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Good catches, really glad you are on top of it. I think the old model when Tukez was designing EnhSim was that it paused the swing timer during a cast. That was how the system was initially set up (at least that was how it appeared to work from testing on the closed beta). When they pulled Lava Burst from Maelstrom Weapon the mechanic appeared to have changed to it's current state, although it wasn't discovered till later.
Any idea on when you can have that ready for testing? You've got me very curious to see how the sim results will change once you get it working properly. |
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.1
Using the config currently in the BiS thread I'm getting 7401.05 which is actually a small increase over 1.8.0. It seems that out of the potential swings, 2.9% are getting clipped, but I guess the fact that the rest don't get delayed makes up for it (and the CL cast time).
I'll wait for some confirmation here before updating the BiS thread. Thanks Sylvand.
[Enhancement] 3.1 changes - new rules in place
In theory, a randomly timed cast should give the same dps with clipped or paused MW behavior in the sim.
However, clipping can be more streaky (lots of clipped swings in a row, or lots of well timed casts in a row).
Now that Enhsim models clipped swings, there are some interesting experiments that could be done by modifying the simulator.
In theory, a randomly timed cast should give the same dps with clipped or paused MW behavior in the sim.
However, clipping can be more streaky (lots of clipped swings in a row, or lots of well timed casts in a row).
Now that Enhsim models clipped swings, there are some interesting experiments that could be done by modifying the simulator.
- What is the dps difference if you time the cast so it doesn't clip the swing?
- What is the dps difference if you only use MW4_LB and MW3_LB when WF is on cooldown?
Is it even possible to time casts so that they don't clip? I guess it could be done with synced weapons but is there even a mod that works to show the swing timer when you are dual wielding? Quartz, for example, will only show the swing timer when using a single weapon.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Is it even possible to time casts so that they don't clip? I guess it could be done with synced weapons but is there even a mod that works to show the swing timer when you are dual wielding? Quartz, for example, will only show the swing timer when using a single weapon.
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When I've tried to time my casts against a training dummy I mistime about as often as I get it right. Perhaps someone with more skill/latency could do better.
LD50_abar is a mod that claims to handle dual wielding, however it looks to have problems modeling flurry (something causes its display to get out of sync when the combatlog says that it's still in sync). People would probably want to fix this mod before relying on it.
LD50_abar - Addons - Curse
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Originally Posted by Tramana
[Enhancement] 3.1 changes - new rules in place
In theory, a randomly timed cast should give the same dps with clipped or paused MW behavior in the sim. However, clipping can be more streaky (lots of clipped swings in a row, or lots of well timed casts in a row). Now that Enhsim models clipped swings, there are some interesting experiments that could be done by modifying the simulator.
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It has been pointed out that Comet's Trail incorrectly uses the tooltip's 612 haste proc instead of the 726 it actually gives (Comet's Trail - Spell - World of Warcraft). I've checked in the fix for this so it will be in the next release (or if you want to build it yourself).
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I think I have got it working, but of course if folks can run some checks that's great. This release includes a combatlog build which I've already used to verify that the clipping should work.
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.1 Using the config currently in the BiS thread I'm getting 7401.05 which is actually a small increase over 1.8.0. It seems that out of the potential swings, 2.9% are getting clipped, but I guess the fact that the rest don't get delayed makes up for it (and the CL cast time). |
0h 0m 0s Haste Potion used
0h 0m 0s Spirit Wolves casted
0h 0m 0s MH SS hit 734.985
0h 0m 0s Fury of the Five Flights stacks (1)
0h 0m 0s Totem of Dueling procs
0h 0m 0s OH SS hit 342.386
0h 0m 0s OH Flametongue hit 299.678
0h 0m 0s Fury of the Five Flights stacks (2)
0h 0m 0s Bloodlust gained
Stormstrike,Bloodlust and Spirit Wolves are casted the same time, It could it be assuming another shaman in raid is casting blood lust
I played around with EnhSim 1.8.1 and found a bug. When simming the T9 4-piece bonus, the simulator looks to be adding 25% damage to lightning bolt, chain lightning, and lava burst (as well as to shocks). Looking at my sim results, all of those abilities had a 25% increase in damage which led to an enormous dps increase.
I haven't done any programming in years and I am not familiar with the EnhSim codebase, but I was bored and took a quick look at the source code on codeplex and I think I found the problem. All of the shocks, lightning bolt, chain lightning, and lava burst appear to use "shock_damage_multiplier" as a component in calculating damage (in skills.cpp). That is because "shock_damage_multiplier" is the variable used to apply damage from the Concussion talent (which does affect all those abilities) -- the variable name is misleading since it affects more than just shocks. The 4-piece bonus is coded as: "shock_damage_multiplier_ *= 1.25f" (in enhsimconfig.cpp) which inadvertently affects all those skills.
I haven't done any programming in years and I am not familiar with the EnhSim codebase, but I was bored and took a quick look at the source code on codeplex and I think I found the problem. All of the shocks, lightning bolt, chain lightning, and lava burst appear to use "shock_damage_multiplier" as a component in calculating damage (in skills.cpp). That is because "shock_damage_multiplier" is the variable used to apply damage from the Concussion talent (which does affect all those abilities) -- the variable name is misleading since it affects more than just shocks. The 4-piece bonus is coded as: "shock_damage_multiplier_ *= 1.25f" (in enhsimconfig.cpp) which inadvertently affects all those skills.
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Originally Posted by Tronso
The combatlog genorated by enhsim 1.8.1 seems to be ignoring some GCDs
0h 0m 0s Haste Potion used 0h 0m 0s Spirit Wolves casted 0h 0m 0s MH SS hit 734.985 0h 0m 0s Fury of the Five Flights stacks (1) 0h 0m 0s Totem of Dueling procs 0h 0m 0s OH SS hit 342.386 0h 0m 0s OH Flametongue hit 299.678 0h 0m 0s Fury of the Five Flights stacks (2) 0h 0m 0s Bloodlust gained Stormstrike,Bloodlust and Spirit Wolves are casted the same time, It could it be assuming another shaman in raid is casting blood lust |
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Originally Posted by Spaceinvader
All of the shocks, lightning bolt, chain lightning, and lava burst appear to use "shock_damage_multiplier" as a component in calculating damage (in skills.cpp). That is because "shock_damage_multiplier" is the variable used to apply damage from the Concussion talent (which does affect all those abilities) -- the variable name is misleading since it affects more than just shocks. The 4-piece bonus is coded as: "shock_damage_multiplier_ *= 1.25f" (in enhsimconfig.cpp) which inadvertently affects all those skills.
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The T9 set bonus should now only include shocks, but it still currently stacks multiplicatively with concussion where applicable (I can't check myself if this is right). Wolves will also trigger the GCD, though I've left bloodlust as-is for now. If we had the source for the GUI (I don't think we do) I would feel better about adding some more config around bloodlust (maybe having it in the priority rotation) but for now I'll just let it assume someone else casts it immediately after the first skill (generally wolves).
I also found a bug with the change I made for clipping swings, though you'd only hit it when casting without maelstrom (i.e. the swing timer resets). I hit it while testing the numbers on lava burst when it would get cast without maelstrom.
I've gone ahead and put this along with the comet's trail fix into v1.8.2:
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.2
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Exact Expertise Rating for cap?
I got some new gear today that meant taking gear off with Expertise Rating on so I fell below cap. I had been at 140 Expertise Rating and I dropped to 104. I thought I could just slap two 16 Expertise Rating gems into my gear and still be on/over cap. I tested it on EhnSim with 3/3 UR and 136 Expertise Rating and it said I was over cap. When I gemmed it that way in game it had me at 25 Expertise. I messed with my gems to where I could get to 139 Rating and was still at 25 Expertise.
I know that Expertise Rating does give a point by point benefit where we once didn't think it did so maybe EhnSim was right. However the game telling me I was below cap made me want to make sure so I figured someone on EJ would know the exact rating I need to hit the Expertise cap (even if the game says I am not).
Of course I looked around a bit before posting here but I was unable to find a definite answer. Can someone please tell me how much Expertise Rating I need exactly to hit Expertise cap (even if the game says I'm at 25 Expertise and not 26)?
Thanks.
I know that Expertise Rating does give a point by point benefit where we once didn't think it did so maybe EhnSim was right. However the game telling me I was below cap made me want to make sure so I figured someone on EJ would know the exact rating I need to hit the Expertise cap (even if the game says I am not).
Of course I looked around a bit before posting here but I was unable to find a definite answer. Can someone please tell me how much Expertise Rating I need exactly to hit Expertise cap (even if the game says I'm at 25 Expertise and not 26)?
Thanks.
Answered my own question. The EP value for Expertise (not Rating, Expertise) on EhnSim was set to 4, so anything over 107 was saying I was over cap. When I set the EP to 0 I wasn't wasn't getting the overcap message until 141, which would be correct as I understood it previously.
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Originally Posted by Brynmor
I got some new gear today that meant taking gear off with Expertise Rating on so I fell below cap. I had been at 140 Expertise Rating and I dropped to 104. I thought I could just slap two 16 Expertise Rating gems into my gear and still be on/over cap. I tested it on EhnSim with 3/3 UR and 136 Expertise Rating and it said I was over cap. When I gemmed it that way in game it had me at 25 Expertise. I messed with my gems to where I could get to 139 Rating and was still at 25 Expertise.
I know that Expertise Rating does give a point by point benefit where we once didn't think it did so maybe EhnSim was right. However the game telling me I was below cap made me want to make sure so I figured someone on EJ would know the exact rating I need to hit the Expertise cap (even if the game says I am not). Of course I looked around a bit before posting here but I was unable to find a definite answer. Can someone please tell me how much Expertise Rating I need exactly to hit Expertise cap (even if the game says I'm at 25 Expertise and not 26)? Thanks. |
"Previous thinking was that expertise only worked in "chunks", that values are rounded down to whole integers. This has recently been disproved and expertise, despite what the UI might lead you to believe, does not drop fractional points. That is, if you have rating sufficient to give you 25.5 expertise rating, you actually benefit from all 25.5 points of it, not only 25 as has previously been conjectured." - From the Enhancement TTT.
Here is the post that proves it: Retesting hit table assumptions
You're right. The sim just tells you that you will be over the cap if it adds the 4 expertise (~32.79 rating). This only affects EP calculation.
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Originally Posted by Brynmor
Can someone please tell me how much Expertise Rating I need exactly to hit Expertise cap (even if the game says I'm at 25 Expertise and not 26)?
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Shaman: Enhancement
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Originally Posted by Malan
If only that question was conveniently answered in an article about enhancement shaman.
Shaman: Enhancement |
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Wolves will also trigger the GCD
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From the PTR
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Originally Posted by Patch 3.2 Patch Notes
All pets now receive 40% of their master's resilience and 100% of their master's spell penetration. In addition, if a player is at their appropriate spell hit chance or hit chance maximum, their pet will be at the maximum for spell hit chance, hit chance, and expertise. If they are below the maximum, their pet will be proportionately below those maximums.
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I'm having a problem with EnhSim 1.8.0 and later. Specifically, none of the items that were added in 1.8.0 show up in either the gui or the config. I've deleted every old installation, redownloaded multiple times, and re-extracted each download a few times. In addition, the readme says it's version 1.7.0 but when I run the sim it says 1.8.0-2 at the top. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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Originally Posted by Erysha
I'm having a problem with EnhSim 1.8.0 and later. Specifically, none of the items that were added in 1.8.0 show up in either the gui or the config. I've deleted every old installation, redownloaded multiple times, and re-extracted each download a few times. In addition, the readme says it's version 1.7.0 but when I run the sim it says 1.8.0-2 at the top. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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Not sure if this is the case with later versions (ie. 1.8.0+), but in V1.7.0.3b, I was getting an interested bug where it seems that the 2pc set bonus for Worldbreaker Battlegear will be counted twice if you select both the 2pc and the 4pc bonus in the Procs and Stuff tab.
I just tested this on 1.8.0, and the same thing occurs. Here is the data I obtained:
1.7.0.3b
1.8.0
I just tested this on 1.8.0, and the same thing occurs. Here is the data I obtained:
1.7.0.3b
Both 2pc and 4pc: 6701.51 dps 488.31 SS dps. Only 4pc: 6579.24 dps, 430.30 SS dps. No bonuses: 6381.80 dps, 381.40 SS dps.
Both 2pc and 4pc: 6771.76 dps, 495.24 SS dps. Only 4pc: 6648.71 dps, 436.29 SS dps. No bonuses: 6425.95 dps, 385.29 SS dps.
It's not a bug, 4pc always assumes that you also have 2pc. (Because, well, you do.)
I know, I just kinda figured that there might be a check in there somehow making sure that it wouldn't be counted twice. Either way, I'll use only the 4pc thing for simming.
Sylvand could you add in a test to disable the 2 piece bonus if someone selects 4 and two, in order to save this sort of confusion. It's becoming an FAQ.
I'll update the readme accordingly although that's of limited value as no-one ever reads it.
I'll update the readme accordingly although that's of limited value as no-one ever reads it.
I have another request. Could we possibly get an option to use the 3.1 ruleset (by default off for future-proofing). I know I could just sim without mana, but that would skew my results when playing with talent specs or several leather pieces.
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
Just wondering when we might expect an update that includes the changes to Spirit Wolves' expertise?
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Originally Posted by Patchnotes
All pets now receive 40% of their master's resilience and 100% of their master's spell penetration. In addition, if a player is at their appropriate spell hit chance or hit chance maximum, their pet will be at the maximum for spell hit chance, hit chance, and expertise. If they are below the maximum, their pet will be proportionately below those maximums.
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I was just tinkering with this on live, and it does appear that our spirit wolves' hit and expertise scale in proportion to where our character stands with relation to the melee special hit cap. I did a few dummy tests -- with an admittedly small sample size -- and determined the following:
- 1. They do not inherit the 6% melee hit from Dual Wield Specialization. At 114 hit rating, which would put them above 9% melee hit with the talent if they were indeed affected, Recount recorded misses.
- 2. They do not inherit the character's expertise. With 31 expertise skill (courtesy of the changes to the orc racial) and the same 114 hit rating, Recount also recorded dodges.
- 3. They inherit melee hit directly. At 267 hit rating, Recount recorded no misses over several attempts (~80 attacks on average).
- 4. Their expertise is based on the player's melee hit (rather than expertise) rating. At 267 hit rating, with 9/9 expertise, Recount recorded no dodges over several attempts. (Same trials as #3.)
Based on this data, it looks like they are (still) treated as a physical DPS class pet, and scale with melee hit rating up to 8%, as has been previously confirmed. This amount of hit also gives them 6.5% worth of dodge negation. I'd hardly call my hour or so of tests thorough enough to be truly conclusive, but it looks promising -- looks like we don't have to lose sleep over our pets needing 446 (or more) hit rating to be expertise-capped.
Edit: Corrected "spell" hit cap to "melee special." Doh.
- 1. They do not inherit the 6% melee hit from Dual Wield Specialization. At 114 hit rating, which would put them above 9% melee hit with the talent if they were indeed affected, Recount recorded misses.
- 2. They do not inherit the character's expertise. With 31 expertise skill (courtesy of the changes to the orc racial) and the same 114 hit rating, Recount also recorded dodges.
- 3. They inherit melee hit directly. At 267 hit rating, Recount recorded no misses over several attempts (~80 attacks on average).
- 4. Their expertise is based on the player's melee hit (rather than expertise) rating. At 267 hit rating, with 9/9 expertise, Recount recorded no dodges over several attempts. (Same trials as #3.)
Based on this data, it looks like they are (still) treated as a physical DPS class pet, and scale with melee hit rating up to 8%, as has been previously confirmed. This amount of hit also gives them 6.5% worth of dodge negation. I'd hardly call my hour or so of tests thorough enough to be truly conclusive, but it looks promising -- looks like we don't have to lose sleep over our pets needing 446 (or more) hit rating to be expertise-capped.
Edit: Corrected "spell" hit cap to "melee special." Doh.
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I've seen a significant amount of DPS increase from the spirit wolves last night while raiding. And every fight I was alot higher DPS wise then normally. I was running with my current gear in armory except for my helm. Since they fixed Boundless Gaze, I was running with that, which put me at ~480 hit. Its also worth mentioning, that Shamans can now Bloodlust while Sated. So if you have another shaman to coordinate with you can always have them lust for your 2nd cast of wolves.
I'm curious if anyone experienced a huge DPS bump? It feels like the puppies are doing a considerable more dmg. Because of UI problems, I didn't get to dig through recount. But I'll post my results after digging through WOL/WWS.
Ulduar 25m. Only thing left are Algalon, General, and Yogg. The rest were killed with all hardmodes. Below are the stats on my wolves.
Spirit Wolf
Dmg Done: 873999
Hits: 861
Avg Hit: 651
Crit Hits: 131
Avg Crit Hit: 1300
Blocks: 6
Block Avg: 570.2
Glances: 286
Glance Avg: 488.1
Absorbs: 452
Misses: 2
Parrys: 4
I'm curious if anyone experienced a huge DPS bump? It feels like the puppies are doing a considerable more dmg. Because of UI problems, I didn't get to dig through recount. But I'll post my results after digging through WOL/WWS.
Ulduar 25m. Only thing left are Algalon, General, and Yogg. The rest were killed with all hardmodes. Below are the stats on my wolves.
Spirit Wolf
Dmg Done: 873999
Hits: 861
Avg Hit: 651
Crit Hits: 131
Avg Crit Hit: 1300
Blocks: 6
Block Avg: 570.2
Glances: 286
Glance Avg: 488.1
Absorbs: 452
Misses: 2
Parrys: 4
Last edited by Zensai : 08/05/09 at 10:24 AM.
We found the following simple formula to be reasonably accurate (driven by hunter pet testing).
struct pet_t : public player_t
{
std::string full_name_str;
player_t* owner;
pet_t* next_pet;
<snip>
virtual double composite_attack_expertise()
{
if ( sim -> P320 )
return owner -> composite_attack_hit() * 6.5 / 8.0;
else
return player_t::composite_attack_expertise();
}
}
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Originally Posted by Zensai
I was running with my current gear in armory except for my helm. Since they fixed Boundless Gaze, I was running with that, which put me at ~480 hit.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
The Armory hasn't been updated yet, what are the new stats on Boundless Gaze?
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70 AGI
100 STA
68 INT
Meta
Blue
66 HIT
224 AP
69 CRIT
I'll try to get these in this week if not tonight:
- wolf expertise changes
- new on-use trinket updates
- checking for set bonus duplicates
PM me if I'm missing anything.
- wolf expertise changes
- new on-use trinket updates
- checking for set bonus duplicates
PM me if I'm missing anything.
I have recently changed my off-spec from Elemental to Enhancement and been using Rawr in conjunction with Enhsim quite a lot. Since yesterday however I have begun to see (very small but consistently) negative values for Mana and Spirit. If I understood the EP-Help on the Enhsim-Homepage correctly, the simulator calculates a baseline of DPS, adds the amount specified in the EP-Tab to one stat and then calculates the new DPS. But how can more Mana or more Spirit lower my DPS on its own?
Another thing I was wondering about is why Enhsim gives me the highest DPS with 32AP gems. Being expertise-capped and close to the white hit-cap the AP-Gems get the highest EP-rating, yet I seem to remember that gemming AP was considered a bad choice for Enhancer, but I'm not sure, where i read that.
Another thing I was wondering about is why Enhsim gives me the highest DPS with 32AP gems. Being expertise-capped and close to the white hit-cap the AP-Gems get the highest EP-rating, yet I seem to remember that gemming AP was considered a bad choice for Enhancer, but I'm not sure, where i read that.
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Originally Posted by Stelmaria
... yet I seem to remember that gemming AP was considered a bad choice for Enhancer, but I'm not sure, where i read that.
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Who (if anyone) is watching the compatability between Rawr's output and Enhsim's input? Just wondering if it's the Rawr people, or the Enhsim people, or if those two groups are now one in the same.
One of the reasons I ask is because of the new orc racial to get expertise from fist weapons. Rawr now correctly internally adds this expertise if you use a fist weapon. When you export stats to enhsim config file, Rawr sets weapon type in the config file to '-'. The only options are '-' and 'axe'. And for expertise it outputs the real lower value, not the one increased by 5 for the racial. So when enhsim imports it does not see 'axe' and therefore does not add the extra expertise. So neither application is technically doing anything wrong. It's just something lost in the collaboration of what that config file should look like.
I guess ideally it would require a new entry for that field in Enhsim. But then that means a change to the gui. And I believe this thread mentions you don't have the source for the gui and are working on a brand new one that isn't done yet.
Luckily it's an easy work around for now to just manually change the weapon type to 'axe' after importing a config file.
One of the reasons I ask is because of the new orc racial to get expertise from fist weapons. Rawr now correctly internally adds this expertise if you use a fist weapon. When you export stats to enhsim config file, Rawr sets weapon type in the config file to '-'. The only options are '-' and 'axe'. And for expertise it outputs the real lower value, not the one increased by 5 for the racial. So when enhsim imports it does not see 'axe' and therefore does not add the extra expertise. So neither application is technically doing anything wrong. It's just something lost in the collaboration of what that config file should look like.
I guess ideally it would require a new entry for that field in Enhsim. But then that means a change to the gui. And I believe this thread mentions you don't have the source for the gui and are working on a brand new one that isn't done yet.
Luckily it's an easy work around for now to just manually change the weapon type to 'axe' after importing a config file.
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I've heard that the Totem of Electrifying Wind may have had a 20 second cooldown added to it during the PTR. Can anyone confirm this yes or no? If it does, it will need to be changed in the sim.
It would be nice to know ahead of time if we'd be wasting emblems of triumph to buy this since it's better (with no cooldown) than the Enhance version, Totem of Quaking Earth.
I don't claim to be a math wizard and I'm completely unsure as to the proper way to model an estimation of the totems worth should it have a 20 second cooldown, but my assumption would be:
12 sec uptime / 20 sec cooldown = 60% uptime assuming a lightning bolt lands right when the 20 second cooldown ends and that the 70% proc chance occurs, meaning ~120 constant haste value from the totem.
Unless you can obtain a value for haste below 1.7, it would still be slightly better than the Enhance totem.
Please correct my math/assumptions if I am wrong
It would be nice to know ahead of time if we'd be wasting emblems of triumph to buy this since it's better (with no cooldown) than the Enhance version, Totem of Quaking Earth.
I don't claim to be a math wizard and I'm completely unsure as to the proper way to model an estimation of the totems worth should it have a 20 second cooldown, but my assumption would be:
12 sec uptime / 20 sec cooldown = 60% uptime assuming a lightning bolt lands right when the 20 second cooldown ends and that the 70% proc chance occurs, meaning ~120 constant haste value from the totem.
Unless you can obtain a value for haste below 1.7, it would still be slightly better than the Enhance totem.
Please correct my math/assumptions if I am wrong
Last edited by kaoticz : 08/06/09 at 12:11 PM. Reason: jonnaei mentioned proc chance as well, now included, oops!
That 60% uptime is also assuming a 100% proc rate outside of the ICD, which is not the case. Someone on Wowhead is saying 70% proc rate, though I'm not sure where they got that.
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Originally Posted by jonnaei
That 60% uptime is also assuming a 100% proc rate outside of the ICD, which is not the case. Someone on Wowhead is saying 70% proc rate, though I'm not sure where they got that.
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Small request Sylvand- when you do your next update, are you able to enable item ID numbers for trinkets and totems? It will certainly make RAWR exporting much simpler, as RAWR currently copies over item IDs and we are forced to continuously re-type the names of totems and trinkets.
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Originally Posted by Levva
If you have access to the source can you zip that up and post it somewhere. I can then add it to the EnhSim website and update it for v1.8.2.
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Originally Posted by kevinck
Who (if anyone) is watching the compatability between Rawr's output and Enhsim's input? Just wondering if it's the Rawr people, or the Enhsim people, or if those two groups are now one in the same.
One of the reasons I ask is because of the new orc racial to get expertise from fist weapons. Rawr now correctly internally adds this expertise if you use a fist weapon. When you export stats to enhsim config file, Rawr sets weapon type in the config file to '-'. The only options are '-' and 'axe'. And for expertise it outputs the real lower value, not the one increased by 5 for the racial. So when enhsim imports it does not see 'axe' and therefore does not add the extra expertise. So neither application is technically doing anything wrong. It's just something lost in the collaboration of what that config file should look like. I guess ideally it would require a new entry for that field in Enhsim. But then that means a change to the gui. And I believe this thread mentions you don't have the source for the gui and are working on a brand new one that isn't done yet. Luckily it's an easy work around for now to just manually change the weapon type to 'axe' after importing a config file. |
AH thanks I forgot to update the export to Enhsim. Fixed now for next version. You are right however that in the GUI it won't update the drop down correctly. Cryolithic if you can PM me a zip file or something so I can post it on the EnhSim website so we can update it. I understand it may require some tiding up.
Syvland I take it that the config imports in enhsim now recognises "fist" as a valid choice? Or it will with v1.8.3?
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
Small request Sylvand- when you do your next update, are you able to enable item ID numbers for trinkets and totems? It will certainly make RAWR exporting much simpler, as RAWR currently copies over item IDs and we are forced to continuously re-type the names of totems and trinkets.
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What I will do however is in the GUI if we get the source working is to display the TEXT rather then the IDs. However behind the scenes in the actual config file the IDs are what you want to have.
Last edited by Levva : 08/07/09 at 5:21 AM.
There are 3 things that I"m concerned about:
1. Please don"t forget the changes to the troll racial (berserk now always 20% haste, no scaling with health anymore) for the next update of the simulator.
2. Can someone already figure out how the new totems (melee and elemental) perform compared to dueling, hex, gladiator"s?
3. With the new totem bar I don"t see my spirit wolfs' control bar anymore (standard ui). Does someone have the same problem? Is there a hotkey for activating sprint?
1. Please don"t forget the changes to the troll racial (berserk now always 20% haste, no scaling with health anymore) for the next update of the simulator.
2. Can someone already figure out how the new totems (melee and elemental) perform compared to dueling, hex, gladiator"s?
3. With the new totem bar I don"t see my spirit wolfs' control bar anymore (standard ui). Does someone have the same problem? Is there a hotkey for activating sprint?
I've used the fluidframes mod to move the new totem bar from where it is (right on top of my pet bars).
FluidFrames : WoWInterface Downloads : Miscellaneous
Basically you mouse over whatever frame you want to move, and toggle it movable/locked with a key you define (I use * on the numpad).
Just make sure you select the entire frame, and not just a child object or you'll do something like move only the pullup arrow from the bar which will break it. (If you do mess up just delete the account/server/char/saved variable/fluidframes.lua file and start over).
FluidFrames : WoWInterface Downloads : Miscellaneous
Basically you mouse over whatever frame you want to move, and toggle it movable/locked with a key you define (I use * on the numpad).
Just make sure you select the entire frame, and not just a child object or you'll do something like move only the pullup arrow from the bar which will break it. (If you do mess up just delete the account/server/char/saved variable/fluidframes.lua file and start over).
I've probably missed it in the thread here, but are the EP values from enhsim completely out to lunch? I'm getting values like 2.47 for Int, which seems outrageous. I'm not wearing leather and don't have mana issues either. Is it weighting the crit from int as Crit rather than just Spell Crit?
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Originally Posted by cryolithic
I've probably missed it in the thread here, but are the EP values from enhsim completely out to lunch? I'm getting values like 2.47 for Int, which seems outrageous. I'm not wearing leather and don't have mana issues either. Is it weighting the crit from int as Crit rather than just Spell Crit?
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ahh this might be it:
Out of mana time 1.36%
Funny thing though, is I'm never out of mana on fights, though I imagine this is more to me failing at my rotation than anything else...
Out of mana time 1.36%
Funny thing though, is I'm never out of mana on fights, though I imagine this is more to me failing at my rotation than anything else...
I guess this leads to the next question...if I'm actually running into oom issues on one or two fights, is it really worth it to change out an AP gem for Int? My gut instinct is no, as most fights have too much down time for it to really matter overall.
Just turn off mana simulation. Easiest way to get around that.
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Originally Posted by cryolithic
I guess this leads to the next question...if I'm actually running into oom issues on one or two fights, is it really worth it to change out an AP gem for Int? My gut instinct is no, as most fights have too much down time for it to really matter overall.
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No leather at all with 0/2 Imp SS.
Thanks for the tip on the mana simulation, that's got int more inline with what I think it should be.
Thanks for the tip on the mana simulation, that's got int more inline with what I think it should be.
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1.8.3.1 is out, marked as Beta for now. Please give it a shot and see how it goes.
Notably missing is any change to troll racials; mostly because troll racials aren't implemented at all right now. Also I have not changed the totem of electrifying winds because there are too many unknowns right now.
By the way, if someone can clear something up for me, it looks like Thunder Capacitor is designed to build up 4 charges and then discharge on the 5th spell crit. This doesn't seem to agree with the little I can find on it and The Lightning Capacitor. I'm asking because of Reign of the Unliving works the same way and I think it should discharge on the third spell crit. Of course there is a big difference between discharging on the third vs. fourth spell crit.
Without further ado:
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.3.1
Dark matter will now correctly proc 612 crit rating for melee and spells, instead of 6.12% melee crit.
Specifying identical/overlapping set bonuses will no longer cause bonuses to be applied twice.
Average AP and spellpower during each ability is now tracked and displayed. For spells and special attacks the average is across the attacks that hit or crit. For white attacks (including spirit wolves' attacks) the average also includes misses, dodges and glancing blows.
Victor's Call and Talisman of Volatile Power should now be correctly implemented, similar to the Blackened Naaru Sliver.
Adding Reign of the Unliving, modeled after Thunder Capacitor. Damage done is always the average of the range, and it will deal damage on the third spell crit (subject to cooldown).
Trinkets dropped in the Trial of the Crusader now have normal and heroic versions. Use the following names for these trinkets:
-victors_call, vengeance_of_the_forsaken, 47725, 47881
-victors_call_heroic, vengeance_of_the_forsaken_heroic, 47948, 48020
-talisman_of_volatile_power, fetish_of_volatile_power, 47726, 47879
-talisman_of_volatile_power_heroic, fetish_of_volatile_power_heroic, 47946, 48018
-deaths_verdict, deaths_choice, 47115, 47303
-deaths_verdict_heroic, deaths_choice_heroic, 47131, 47464
-reign_of_the_unliving, reign_of_the_dead, 47182, 47316
-reign_of_the_unliving_heroic, reign_of_the_dead_heroic, 47188, 47477
Other items (trinkets, totems) and set bonuses added in 3.2 can now be specified by item/spell ID.
Adding searing totem and magma totem details for damage summary.
Spirit wolves now gain expertise from the shaman's hit rating; attacks will be dodged 6.5/8 times as much as they miss (0% miss = 0% dodge).
Updating config.txt to contain the supported weapon, trinket, totem and set bonus strings.
Notably missing is any change to troll racials; mostly because troll racials aren't implemented at all right now. Also I have not changed the totem of electrifying winds because there are too many unknowns right now.
By the way, if someone can clear something up for me, it looks like Thunder Capacitor is designed to build up 4 charges and then discharge on the 5th spell crit. This doesn't seem to agree with the little I can find on it and The Lightning Capacitor. I'm asking because of Reign of the Unliving works the same way and I think it should discharge on the third spell crit. Of course there is a big difference between discharging on the third vs. fourth spell crit.
Without further ado:
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.3.1
Dark matter will now correctly proc 612 crit rating for melee and spells, instead of 6.12% melee crit.
Specifying identical/overlapping set bonuses will no longer cause bonuses to be applied twice.
Average AP and spellpower during each ability is now tracked and displayed. For spells and special attacks the average is across the attacks that hit or crit. For white attacks (including spirit wolves' attacks) the average also includes misses, dodges and glancing blows.
Victor's Call and Talisman of Volatile Power should now be correctly implemented, similar to the Blackened Naaru Sliver.
Adding Reign of the Unliving, modeled after Thunder Capacitor. Damage done is always the average of the range, and it will deal damage on the third spell crit (subject to cooldown).
Trinkets dropped in the Trial of the Crusader now have normal and heroic versions. Use the following names for these trinkets:
-victors_call, vengeance_of_the_forsaken, 47725, 47881
-victors_call_heroic, vengeance_of_the_forsaken_heroic, 47948, 48020
-talisman_of_volatile_power, fetish_of_volatile_power, 47726, 47879
-talisman_of_volatile_power_heroic, fetish_of_volatile_power_heroic, 47946, 48018
-deaths_verdict, deaths_choice, 47115, 47303
-deaths_verdict_heroic, deaths_choice_heroic, 47131, 47464
-reign_of_the_unliving, reign_of_the_dead, 47182, 47316
-reign_of_the_unliving_heroic, reign_of_the_dead_heroic, 47188, 47477
Other items (trinkets, totems) and set bonuses added in 3.2 can now be specified by item/spell ID.
Adding searing totem and magma totem details for damage summary.
Spirit wolves now gain expertise from the shaman's hit rating; attacks will be dodged 6.5/8 times as much as they miss (0% miss = 0% dodge).
Updating config.txt to contain the supported weapon, trinket, totem and set bonus strings.
Last edited by Sylvand : 08/08/09 at 1:38 PM. Reason: Updating for 1.8.3.1
Thanks to Cryolithic for reverse engineering the EnhSimGUI. I've committed this as an extra project into the source of EnhSim. It doesn't compile at present and needs some significant work but at least its a start. If anyone has some time to help out and is a C# developer let me know.
Sylvand, can you check on how it is simulating Dark Matter.
It seems to be treating the proc as significantly less then 612 crit rating and there is something wrong with how the proc is affecting spell crit. When I run it with all the stats but the trinket slot left blank (simulating removing the proc) there is no change in Earth Shock, Flametongue, LB or Magma totem dps. There is a slight decrease in white, windfury, SS and LL dps but not enough to correlate with the average amount of melee crit that the proc should be adding.
From playing with the sim a bit more what seems to be happening is that it is only adding 6% melee crit per proc instead of adding 13.33% melee and spell crit per proc.
It seems to be treating the proc as significantly less then 612 crit rating and there is something wrong with how the proc is affecting spell crit. When I run it with all the stats but the trinket slot left blank (simulating removing the proc) there is no change in Earth Shock, Flametongue, LB or Magma totem dps. There is a slight decrease in white, windfury, SS and LL dps but not enough to correlate with the average amount of melee crit that the proc should be adding.
From playing with the sim a bit more what seems to be happening is that it is only adding 6% melee crit per proc instead of adding 13.33% melee and spell crit per proc.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
From playing with the sim a bit more what seems to be happening is that it is only adding 6% melee crit per proc instead of adding 13.33% melee and spell crit per proc.
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EnhSim - Release: v1.8.3.1
I'll update the above link to point here as well.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Please check out the fix in 1.8.3.1:
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Numbers look right on target, thank you for the quick response.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
By the way, if someone can clear something up for me, it looks like Thunder Capacitor is designed to build up 4 charges and then discharge on the 5th spell crit. This doesn't seem to agree with the little I can find on it and The Lightning Capacitor. I'm asking because of Reign of the Unliving works the same way and I think it should discharge on the third spell crit. Of course there is a big difference between discharging on the third vs. fourth spell crit.
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At first it required 4 crits (build up 3 charges and release on the 4th), and only had a cooldown after the Lightning Bolt.
Then they changed it to require 5 crits:
EnhSim, DPS simulator
Then they returned it to 4 crits, but added a cooldown between each thunder charge.
[Enhancement] 3.1 changes - new rules in place
It looks like it still behaves that way. 4 crits, cooldown between each one.
8/8 11:34:53.158 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED, "Tramana", "Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF 8/8 11:34:55.992 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Tramana","Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF,2 8/8 11:35:01.977 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Tramana","Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF,3 8/8 11:35:06.437 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Tramana","Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF 8/8 11:35:06.571 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Tramana","Grandmaster's Training Dummy","Lightning Bolt",0x8,1866,1865,8,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
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Originally Posted by Tramana
Thunder Capacitor has had many changes since it was added to the game.
At first it required 4 crits (build up 3 charges and release on the 4th), and only had a cooldown after the Lightning Bolt. Then they changed it to require 5 crits: EnhSim, DPS simulator Then they returned it to 4 crits, but added a cooldown between each thunder charge. [Enhancement] 3.1 changes - new rules in place It looks like it still behaves that way. 4 crits, cooldown between each one. 8/8 11:34:53.158 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED, "Tramana", "Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF 8/8 11:34:55.992 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Tramana","Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF,2 8/8 11:35:01.977 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,"Tramana","Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF,3 8/8 11:35:06.437 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,"Tramana","Thunder Charge",0x1,BUFF 8/8 11:35:06.571 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Tramana","Grandmaster's Training Dummy","Lightning Bolt",0x8,1866,1865,8,0,0,0,1,nil,nil |
So for now the trinket will be overvalued, but I should be able to get a fix out by the time it's actually attainable.
What might be a better idea would be to post the current assumptions about all the new trinkets and ask people to prove or disprove them once the trinkets are attained.
I've tried to explain how they're modeled in the change notes (EnhSim - Source Code). The missing details that I still wonder about are e.g. when it says attack or spell, what is included. For example Reign currently assumes that flametongue crit will trigger a charge. So let me try to summarize these sorts of assumptions:
Victor's Call - any melee attack (MH/OH auto swing, SS, WF) will bump up the stack
Talisman of Volatile Power - any direct spell damage (shock, LB, lightning overload, CL, LvB) or a lightning shield discharge will bump up the stack
Banner of Victory - same trigger as Victor's Call
Abyssal Rune - same trigger as Talisman of Volatile Power
Death's Verdict - any melee attack (MH/OH auto swing, SS, WF) or direct spell damage (shock, LB, lightning overload, CL, LvB) can trigger the proc
Comet's Trail - same trigger as Victor's Call
Reign of the Unliving - any spell crit (shock, LB, lightning overload, CL, LvB) or FT crit can add a charge
Totem of Electrifying Wind - any LB cast (miss, hit, crit) can trigger the proc
Totem of Quaking Earth - any LL cast (miss, dodge, hit, crit) can trigger the proc
Victor's Call - any melee attack (MH/OH auto swing, SS, WF) will bump up the stack
Talisman of Volatile Power - any direct spell damage (shock, LB, lightning overload, CL, LvB) or a lightning shield discharge will bump up the stack
Banner of Victory - same trigger as Victor's Call
Abyssal Rune - same trigger as Talisman of Volatile Power
Death's Verdict - any melee attack (MH/OH auto swing, SS, WF) or direct spell damage (shock, LB, lightning overload, CL, LvB) can trigger the proc
Comet's Trail - same trigger as Victor's Call
Reign of the Unliving - any spell crit (shock, LB, lightning overload, CL, LvB) or FT crit can add a charge
Totem of Electrifying Wind - any LB cast (miss, hit, crit) can trigger the proc
Totem of Quaking Earth - any LL cast (miss, dodge, hit, crit) can trigger the proc
are there any addons which can export my character into a config file for enhsim?
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Originally Posted by Paradox
are there any addons which can export my character into a config file for enhsim?
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Originally Posted by Paradox
are there any addons which can export my character into a config file for enhsim?
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The set bonuses for T9 will be an important factor in determining when to drop 4pc T8.... Arguably the 2pc T9 is rather weak, thought at least it plays well with 2pc T8...
It's obviously not a huge priority right now as it'll be a few weeks before anyone will even have 2pc T9, but wasn't sure if the shaman community had sufficient data from the PTR on the mechanics to begin modeling it now in advance for better planning on which pieces to pick up down the road.
It's obviously not a huge priority right now as it'll be a few weeks before anyone will even have 2pc T9, but wasn't sure if the shaman community had sufficient data from the PTR on the mechanics to begin modeling it now in advance for better planning on which pieces to pick up down the road.
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Please delete this post. I made a mistake in my Sim tables.
Last edited by Spectras : 08/11/09 at 8:50 PM.
| Also, I'm not the best one at reading these tables. Does the "difference" category still mean that AP would be better than Haste? (On this note is there an FAQ for reading these tables? I was unable to find one) |
While I didn't derive this in any mathematical way, I just value haste at hit*1.1, as they both have a similar effect on DPS by increasing MW procs, LS procs, and FT damage. Haste having the additional effect of reducing the GCD on LB and ES, thus the amplification. Of course, 1.1 isn't a constant (and like I already stated, I didn't use any maths to create such a number) as haste value rises compared to hit as you reach the DW hit cap and the diminishing returns on hit begin to become apparent.
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Originally Posted by Spectras
Also, I'm not the best one at reading these tables. Does the "difference" category still mean that AP would be better than Haste? (On this note is there an FAQ for reading these tables? I was unable to find one)
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I don't kow if my english is good enough to explain it.
Total DPS
Baseline: DPS with current stats
Haste for example: DPS with the amount haste from your EP range added.
Difference
The Difference between basline total DPS and haste total DPS.
DPS p.p. (per point)
DPS p.p. := difference / EP range (rounded values!)
Haste: 2 = 59.87 / 30 (You didn't post your EP ranges. But it should be round about 30 for haste)
EP
We choose AP for comparison.
EP := haste DPS p.p. / ap DPS p.p.
3.03 = 2 / 0.66
Edit: With the EP value you can compare your stats. Total DPS and difference tells you nothing, just because the sim adds a different amount of each stat for simming these values.
Last edited by Peterle : 08/11/09 at 6:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by Spectras
Also, has anyone noticed a drop in dps this patch? With the change to troll berserking, and the change to spirit wolves, it seems like I would have gone up. Perhaps I have been getting some bad RNG, but unfortunately I lost all of my pre-3.2 sim results.
Thoughts/Comments? Also, I'm not the best one at reading these tables. Does the "difference" category still mean that AP would be better than Haste? (On this note is there an FAQ for reading these tables? I was unable to find one) |
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Ok, I was using the EnhSimGUI and I had never used it before, so I went and redid everything manually through the config to show my actual unbuffed stats. As you can see, my DPS went up by about 450, but haste is still up at 2.95. Hopefully with the config, the sim results, and the EP calc you guys may be able to wonder why Haste is this much better than AP as far as EP values go.
Sylvand, as far as my rotation goes, I chose not to go with the one from the BiS discussion, as I do not have the discipline to weave in 3 stack CL or something like that. I chose to go with something that was more realistic to my actual rotation. Also, I put less emphasis on the rotation as well because in anything with more than 1 mob, CL or Magma totem obviously increases exponentially.
Edit: I got my GSD about 45 seconds ago right after I finished posting these charts, so I will have to redo all of these with updated gear and let you guys know.
################# //comment marks are # and //
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 5000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 10 //in minutes
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 80 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 120 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 1 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 700 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SW = spirit wolves
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 9
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 SR
rotation_priority3 MW5_LB
rotation_priority4 ES_SS
rotation_priority5 SS
rotation_priority6 ES
rotation_priority7 LL
rotation_priority8 MT
rotation_priority9 LS
rotation_priority10 MW4_LB
##########
#BOSS#####
##########
miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 24.00 //%
armor 10645
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
######### //default value after the buff in comment
#BUFFS### //put to 0 if you dont use that buff
#########
armor_debuff_major 20/20.0 //acid spit, expose armor, sunder armor
armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 //faerie fire, sting, curse of recklessness
physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 //%, bloody frenzy, savage combat
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 //%, improved icy talons, windfury totem
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, leader of the pack, rampage
attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 //battle shout, blessing of might
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 //BUFF UPTIME %, DISABLES UR, abominations might, trueshot aura, (unleashed rage)
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, wrath of air totem
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 //%, moonkin aura, elemental oath
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 //%, improved scorch, winter's chill, imp.shadow bolt
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 //%, ebon plaugebearer, earth and moon, curse of the elements
spellpower_buff 280/280 //flametongue totem, totem of wrath
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved faerie fire, misery
haste_buff 3.0/3.0 //%, improved moonkin aura, swift retribution
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 //%, ferocious inspiration, sanctified retribution
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 //%, heart of the crusader, totem of wrath, master poisoner
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 //%, blessing of kings
stat_add_buff 52/52 //mark of the wild
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 //strength of earth, horn of winter
intellect_buff 60/60 //arcane intellect, fel intelligence
replenishment 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
water_shield 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
mana_spring_totem 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
blessing_of_wisdom 0 //{ 0 | 1 }
judgement_of_wisdom 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
#############
#CONSUMABLES#
#############//remember that you can use guardian elixir only if you use elixir in the flask_elixir slot
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
//{ flask_of_relentless_assault | elixir_of_major_agility | fel_strength_elixir |
// elixir_of_major_strength | elixir_of_demonslaying | elixir_of_the_mongoose |
// elixir_of_mastery | gurus_elixir | elixir_of_mighty_agility | elixir_of_mighty_strength |
// elixir_of_expertise | flask_of_endless_rage | - }
guardian_elixir -
//{ elixir_of_draenic_wisdom | elixir_of_mighty_thoughts | - }
potion haste_potion
//{ haste_potion | insane_strength_potion | heroic_potion | super_mana_potion |
// runic_mana_potion | - }
food fish_feast
//{ roasted_clefthoof | spice_hot_talbuk | ravager_dog | warp_burger | skullfish_soup |
// rhinolicious_wyrmsteak | fish_feast | - }
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
#SHAMAN###
##########
race troll //{ orc | tauren | troll | draenei }
mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 2.6
mh_dps 178.8
oh_dps 178.8
mh_crit 30.62 //%
oh_crit 30.62
mh_hit 12.75 //%, you give hit which shows on your character sheet
oh_hit 12.75
mh_expertise_rating 142 //notice that these are given as rating
oh_expertise_rating 142
ap 3938 //when changing this, remember to change the spellpower also(if have mental quickness talent)
melee_haste 24.62 //%
armor_penetration 7.71 //%
str 131
agi 873
int 535
spi 154
spellpower 1181 //you give the spellpower which shows on your character sheet
spell_crit 22.63 //%
spell_hit 15.93 //%, you give spell hit which shows on your character sheet
spell_haste 18.94 //%
max_mana 12141
mp5 0 //in combat
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
//{ windfury | flametongue | flametongue_9 | frostbrand | - }
mh_enchant berserking
oh_enchant berserking
//{ mongoose | executioner | crusader | deathfrost | berserking | - }
mh_weapon axe
oh_weapon axe
//{ axe | fist | - } used currently only for orc's racial bonus
//in the future, this might also be used for items similiar to Dragonstrike
trinket1 pyrite_infuser
trinket2 mirror_of_truth
//{ dragonspine_trophy | ashtongue_talisman |
// madness_of_the_betrayer | hourglass_of_the_unraveller |
// tsunami_talisman | shard_of_contempt |
// berserkers_call | bloodlust_brooch |
// abacus_of_violent_odds | badge_of_tenacity |
// shadowsong_panther | blackened_naaru_sliver |
// darkmoon_card_crusade | fury_of_the_five_flights |
// grim_toll | loathebs_shadow | mirror_of_truth |
// the_skull_of_guldan | meteorite_whetstone | embrace_of_the_spider |
// dying curse | illustration_of_the_dragon_soul |
// sundial_of_the_exiled | forge_ember | incisor_fragment |
// mark_of_the_war_prisoner | sphere_of_red_dragons_blood |
// tome_of_arcane_phenomena | mark_of_norgannon | fezziks_pocketwatch |
// thorny_rose_brooch | rune_of_finite_variation | bandits_insignia |
// darkmoon_card_greatness | pendulum_of_telluric_currents |
// vestige_of_haldor | twilight_serpent | thunder_capacitor |
// tears_of_bitter_anguish | pyrite_infuser | wrathstone |
// elemental_focus_stone | dark_matter | blood_of_the_old_god |
// mjolnir_runestone | victors_call | vengeance_of_the_forsaken |
// victors_call_heroic | vengeance_of_the_forsaken_heroic |
// talisman_of_volatile_power | fetish_of_volatile_power |
// talisman_of_volatile_power_heroic | fetish_of_volatile_power_heroic |
// banner_of_victory | abyssal_rune | deaths_verdict |
// deaths_choice | deaths_verdict_heroic | deaths_choice_heroic |
// comets_trail | reign_of_the_unliving | reign_of_the_dead |
// reign_of_the_unliving_heroic | reign_of_the_dead_heroic | - }
totem deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability
//{ stonebreakers_totem | totem_of_the_astral_winds | totem_of_splintering |
// totem_of_ancestral_guidance | totem_of_the_void | skycall_totem |
// totem_of_hex | totem_of_dueling | totem_of_the_elemental_plane |
// deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | hateful_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// savage_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | deadly_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// hateful_gladiators_totem_of_survival | savage_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// totem_of_the_dancing_flame | furious_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability |
// relentless_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability | furious_gladiators_totem_of_survival |
// relentless_gladiators_totem_of_survival | totem_of_electrifying_wind |
// totem_of_quaking_earth | - }
set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4
set_bonus2 -
set_bonus3 -
//higher set bonuses include lower ones eg. naxx_melee_4 includes naxx_melee_2
//{ cyclone_harness | cataclysm_harness | desolation_battlegear |
// skyshatter_harness_2 | skyshatter_harness_4 | skyshatter_regalia_2 |
// skyshatter_regalia_4 | naxx_melee_2 | naxx_melee_4 | gladiators_earthshaker |
// naxx_nuker_2 | naxx_nuker_4 | worldbreaker_battlegear_2 | worldbreaker_battlegear_4 |
// t9_battlegear_2 | t9_battlegear_4 | t9_regalia_2 | t9_regalia_4 | - }
metagem chaotic_skyflare_diamond
//{ relentless_earthstorm_diamond | thundering_skyfire_diamond |
// chaotic_skyfire_diamond | chaotic_skyflare_diamond |
// ember_skyflare_diamond | relentless_earthsiege_diamond | - }
gloves_enchant -
//{ hyperspeed_accelerators | hand_mounted_pyro_rocket }
cloak_enchant -
//{ lightweave_embroidery | swordguard_embroidery }
//you can't use same type of glyph in multiple slots
glyph_major1 stormstrike
glyph_major2 feral_spirit
glyph_major3 windfury_weapon
//{ lightning_shield | flametongue_weapon | lightning_bolt |
// windfury_weapon | stormstrike | earth_shock | lava | lava_lash |
// water_mastery | feral_spirit | - }
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
#########
#TALENTS#
#########
ancestral_knowledge 2/5 //ENHANCEMENT
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5 //ELEMENTAL
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 3/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
EnhSim version 1.8.3.1
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MH:
miss 1112712 8.25%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 3236749 24.01%
hit 3107380 23.05%
crit 6026750 44.70%
average ap 7118.73
clip 0 0.00%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.86%
procs/swings 13.79%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 2231765 52.32%
crit 2033691 47.68%
average ap 7118.87
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1035907 52.34%
crit 943455 47.66%
average ap 7096.29
OH:
miss 1111824 8.25%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 3235457 24.00%
hit 3107860 23.05%
crit 6028450 44.71%
average ap 7155.96
clip 0 0.00%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 10582907 63.30%
crit 6135450 36.70%
average sp 2740.24
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1035567 52.32%
crit 943795 47.68%
average ap 7143.94
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1628897 63.30%
crit 944360 36.70%
average sp 2740.25
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 1236702 52.24%
crit 1130526 47.76%
average ap 7025.75
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2029328 63.29%
crit 1177257 36.71%
average sp 2746.83
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 2328758 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
average sp 2749.39
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 2147706 23.99%
hit 5775396 64.52%
crit 1028356 11.49%
average ap 7142.14
Magma Totem:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4845190 63.33%
crit 2806082 36.67%
average sp 2741.85
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 61.25
flurry uptime 93.43%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 75.67%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 42.38%
oh enchant uptime 37.81%
trinket1 uptime 18.04%
trinket2 uptime 18.03%
totem uptime 78.91%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 18.09 7.88%
replenishment 36.92 16.09%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.74 4.25%
shamanistic rage 68.28 29.75%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 96.46 42.03%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2095.25 30.48% 89.89
windfury 796.54 11.59% 7.11
flametongue 568.21 8.27% 55.73
stormstrike 396.86 5.77% 6.60 36.35 14.93%
lava lash 350.44 5.1% 7.89 21.74 8.93%
magma totem 499.37 7.26% 2.60 48.36 19.86%
earth shock 587.17 8.54% 8.58 55.43 22.76%
lightning bolt 1033.19 15.03% 10.69 78.31 32.16%
lightning shield 239.11 3.48% 0.86 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 307.50 4.47% 0.40 3.31 1.36%
DPS 6873.65
MPS 243.50
MP2min 29220.04
MRPS 234.14
Out of mana time 0.22%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 35.36s
simulation speed: 509064x
EnhSim version 1.8.3.1 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 3.07364% (80.6277 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated. Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6874.72 ap 1.00 0.64 7002.44 127.72 crit rating 1.84 1.17 6909.97 35.25 hit rating 1.60 1.02 6905.28 30.56 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6874.72 haste rating 2.95 1.88 6931.24 56.53 armor penetration rating 1.39 0.89 6901.38 26.66 spellpower 1.01 0.64 6971.04 96.32 mh dps 5.28 3.37 6900.03 25.31 oh dps 2.59 1.66 6887.14 12.42 strength 1.10 agility 1.75 intelligence 1.31 spirit -0.02 -0.01 6872.60 -2.12 mana -0.00 -0.00 6874.03 -0.69 mp5 -0.02 -0.01 6874.43 -0.29 Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt elapsed simulation time: 65000.00h elapsed real time: 468.31s simulation speed: 499666x
Edit: I got my GSD about 45 seconds ago right after I finished posting these charts, so I will have to redo all of these with updated gear and let you guys know.
Last edited by Spectras : 08/11/09 at 9:27 PM.
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I'm no sim expert but the melee haste on your config looks way too high. Looking at your armory it shows 16.61 melee haste and you have 24.62 typed in. Same issue with your spell haste. Also you probably want to change haste potion to a potion of speed.
edit: I see you are in some PVP gear, maybe your haste actually is that high. And with me adjusting your haste values to your pvp armory character sheet still shows haste valued ~3.
edit: I see you are in some PVP gear, maybe your haste actually is that high. And with me adjusting your haste values to your pvp armory character sheet still shows haste valued ~3.
Last edited by latrine : 08/12/09 at 2:12 AM.
Well getting haste that high is entirely possible. At one point I was trying to match my ingame haste to my theoretical haste values in the sim for testing purposes, since what I found is, as long as I was at 30% melee crit before raid buffs, and 23% spell crit before raid buffs, and spell hit capped, then once my unbuffed haste was @ 20%, any haste after that seemed to have a 2.5-3.2 value. I gave up this pursuit however when I noticed how much haste was dropped from T8 to T9 and with the assumption the other gear did the same in the tier.
I would still like to test this ingame though, to see if its not just the sim being nuts with EP value. It was funny, 15-18% haste was @ 2.1 value, 18-19.5% was @ 1.7, and 20.5%+ was the absurd numbers I posted. All numbers being what was required prior to raid buffs, and then being simmed with raid buffs checked.
I would still like to test this ingame though, to see if its not just the sim being nuts with EP value. It was funny, 15-18% haste was @ 2.1 value, 18-19.5% was @ 1.7, and 20.5%+ was the absurd numbers I posted. All numbers being what was required prior to raid buffs, and then being simmed with raid buffs checked.
Wow, I ran the sims again, and while sitting at 653 haste (25.89%) the EP for haste went down to 1.7. I am so confused. I know haste fluctuates, but I had no idea it would be that much.
Ugh, I was really wanting to find a way that haste was better than AP by using the sim, but I've hit a brick wall.
Ugh, I was really wanting to find a way that haste was better than AP by using the sim, but I've hit a brick wall.
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Originally Posted by Spectras
Haste.
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Hi, I have some weird numbers when I calculate my EP with my current gear.
This is the copy I get from Rawr :
I think only the totem was wrong (Furious) so I set it myself to the deadly one.
The simulation with all buff, no mana for 1000h :
And now the EP values :
1.13 haste seems really low and I can't find out why.... or is this the good number?
Thank you for your help!
EDIT : Did some other EP calculation and numbers vary a lot... now haste is down to 0.88 :
This is the copy I get from Rawr :
########################################## ### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ### ########################################## config_source rawr race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.8 oh_dps 178.8 mh_crit 31.43 oh_crit 31.43 mh_hit 11.31 oh_hit 11.31 mh_expertise_rating 141 oh_expertise_rating 141 ap 4163 melee_haste 11.62 armor_penetration 9.26 str 131 agi 948 int 545 spi 154 spellpower 1249 spell_crit 22.61 spell_hit 14.14 spell_haste 8.94 max_mana 12291 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon fist oh_enchant 3789 oh_weapon - trinket1 40431 trinket2 40256 totem 42608 set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41398 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ############# ## Talents ## ############# ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 1/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5 ######### # Buffs # ######### armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 bloodlust_casters 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast combat_length 6.00
The simulation with all buff, no mana for 1000h :
EnhSim version 1.7.0
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MH:
miss 239532 9.71%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 590873 23.95%
hit 512950 20.79%
crit 1124031 45.56%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 15.79%
procs/swings 14.47%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 429841 51.50%
crit 404795 48.50%
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 214453 51.59%
crit 201246 48.41%
OH:
miss 239020 9.69%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 593660 24.06%
hit 512652 20.78%
crit 1122054 45.48%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1977204 63.23%
crit 1149579 36.77%
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 214549 51.61%
crit 201150 48.39%
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 331318 63.33%
crit 191807 36.67%
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 248178 51.41%
crit 234540 48.59%
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 386035 63.31%
crit 223766 36.69%
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 452930 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 116786 6.47%
glancing 432480 23.97%
hit 1047600 58.06%
crit 207412 11.50%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 57.17
flurry uptime 94.13%
unleashed rage uptime 99.99%
elemental devastation uptime 74.93%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.85%
oh enchant uptime 37.99%
trinket1 uptime 20.67%
trinket2 uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 80.45%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2040.25 29.64% 82.25
windfury 836.56 12.15% 6.96
flametongue 539.36 7.84% 52.11
stormstrike 448.43 6.51% 6.93 0.00 0.00%
lava lash 365.79 5.31% 8.05 22.16 10.54%
magma totem 542.38 7.88% 2.90 53.92 25.65%
earth shock 589.20 8.56% 8.72 56.34 26.80%
lightning bolt 965.50 14.03% 10.16 74.46 35.43%
lightning shield 229.25 3.33% 0.84 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 326.70 4.75% 0.40 3.31 1.57%
DPS 6883.42
MPS 210.20
MP2min 25223.48
MRPS 0.00
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.33s
simulation speed: 1546391x
EnhSim version 1.7.0 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.28364% (33.6725 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6884.49 ap 1.00 0.64 7012.54 128.06 crit rating 1.74 1.12 6917.95 33.46 hit rating 1.69 1.08 6917.01 32.52 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6884.49 haste rating 1.13 0.72 6906.24 21.75 armor penetration rating 1.78 1.14 6918.70 34.21 spellpower 1.00 0.64 6980.46 95.97 mh dps 5.02 3.21 6908.59 24.10 oh dps 2.21 1.41 6895.09 10.61 strength 1.10 agility 1.71 intelligence* 1.43 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6884.49 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6884.49 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6884.49 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.74, HitRating=1.69, HasteRating=1.13 , ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.78, SpellDamage=1.00, MainHandDps=5.0 2, OffHandDps=2.21, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.71, Intellect=1.43, Spirit=0.00, Ma na=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.13&dps=5.02&mp5=0.00&mcr =1.74&odps=2.21&spd=1.00&Agi=1.71&mhit=1.69&Int=1.43&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.78& Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 21.00s simulation speed: 1714367x
Thank you for your help!
EDIT : Did some other EP calculation and numbers vary a lot... now haste is down to 0.88 :
EnhSim version 1.7.0 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.28364% (33.6725 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6886.28 ap 1.00 0.63 7012.27 125.99 crit rating 1.82 1.15 6920.76 34.48 hit rating 1.61 1.02 6916.80 30.51 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6886.28 haste rating 0.88 0.56 6902.93 16.65 armor penetration rating 1.56 0.98 6915.79 29.51 spellpower 1.02 0.64 6982.20 95.92 mh dps 5.58 3.51 6912.62 26.34 oh dps 2.57 1.62 6898.44 12.16 strength 1.10 agility 1.80 intelligence* 1.41 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6886.28 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6886.28 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6886.28 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.82, HitRating=1.61, HasteRating=0.88 , ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.56, SpellDamage=1.02, MainHandDps=5.5 8, OffHandDps=2.57, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.80, Intellect=1.41, Spirit=0.00, Ma na=0.00, Mp5=0.00 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=0.88&dps=5.58&mp5=0.00&mcr =1.82&odps=2.57&spd=1.02&Agi=1.80&mhit=1.61&Int=1.41&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.56& Exp=0.00 elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 20.88s simulation speed: 1724550x
Last edited by Wootlessberger : 08/14/09 at 2:03 PM.
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Can you try it on the latest EnhSim (1.8.3.1)?
To generally give folks an update, I have a couple investigates for which I'm trying to find time (after work, raiding, running daily heroics and running glyphs). I know I also need to add the badge trinket(s).
However the most interesting thing I will try to investigate is the possibility of delaying LBs to maximize Energized uptime. I'll probably try to implement something like "don't cast LB if there are X seconds left on the ICD" or "MW4_LB if the ICD is over". I was trying this yesterday but it was Freya night so I don't think it will reflect anything near the potential benefit.
To generally give folks an update, I have a couple investigates for which I'm trying to find time (after work, raiding, running daily heroics and running glyphs). I know I also need to add the badge trinket(s).
However the most interesting thing I will try to investigate is the possibility of delaying LBs to maximize Energized uptime. I'll probably try to implement something like "don't cast LB if there are X seconds left on the ICD" or "MW4_LB if the ICD is over". I was trying this yesterday but it was Freya night so I don't think it will reflect anything near the potential benefit.
Last edited by Sylvand : 08/14/09 at 2:37 PM.
Ok, I got the good version now. Still some low numbers on haste.
4 EP values with latests version :
I did try with uncapped expertise and hit, still low haste. Maybe haste is bad for me?
Thanks for your time.
4 EP values with latests version :
EnhSim version 1.8.3.1 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.28364% (33.6725 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6837.18 ap 1.00 0.62 6961.28 124.10 crit rating 2.03 1.26 6874.98 37.80 hit rating 1.62 1.01 6867.39 30.21 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6837.18 haste rating 1.10 0.68 6857.73 20.55 armor penetration rating 1.77 1.10 6870.12 32.94 spellpower 0.99 0.61 6929.38 92.20 mh dps 5.47 3.39 6862.63 25.45 oh dps 2.85 1.77 6850.46 13.28 strength 1.10 agility 1.82 intelligence* 1.44 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6837.18 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6837.18 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6837.18 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 40.73s simulation speed: 883869x
EnhSim version 1.8.3.1 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.28364% (33.6725 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6836.90 ap 1.00 0.64 6964.65 127.75 crit rating 1.69 1.08 6869.38 32.48 hit rating 1.77 1.13 6870.76 33.86 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.90 haste rating 1.13 0.72 6858.61 21.71 armor penetration rating 1.69 1.08 6869.32 32.42 spellpower 1.00 0.64 6932.34 95.44 mh dps 5.89 3.76 6865.11 28.21 oh dps 3.21 2.05 6852.29 15.39 strength 1.10 agility 1.70 intelligence* 1.39 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.90 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.90 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.90 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 40.68s simulation speed: 885042x
EnhSim version 1.8.3.1 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.28364% (33.6725 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6840.09 ap 1.00 0.63 6965.66 125.57 crit rating 1.58 0.99 6869.86 29.77 hit rating 1.56 0.98 6869.38 29.29 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6840.09 haste rating 0.92 0.58 6857.36 17.27 armor penetration rating 1.51 0.95 6868.53 28.44 spellpower 0.97 0.61 6931.88 91.79 mh dps 4.68 2.94 6862.13 22.04 oh dps 2.29 1.44 6850.89 10.80 strength 1.10 agility 1.60 intelligence* 1.41 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6840.09 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6840.09 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6840.09 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 40.65s simulation speed: 885587x
EnhSim version 1.8.3.1 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 1.28364% (33.6725 hit rating). Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped. Calculating EP values... Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated. Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated. Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated. Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated. Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated. Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped. Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated. Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated. Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated. Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated. Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated. Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped. Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped. Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped. EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 6836.70 ap 1.00 0.64 6964.72 128.02 crit rating 1.95 1.25 6874.09 37.38 hit rating 1.59 1.02 6867.31 30.61 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.70 haste rating 1.07 0.69 6857.29 20.59 armor penetration rating 1.49 0.95 6865.31 28.60 spellpower 0.98 0.63 6931.21 94.51 mh dps 6.09 3.90 6865.95 29.24 oh dps 2.67 1.71 6849.53 12.82 strength 1.10 agility 1.80 intelligence* 1.42 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.70 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.70 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6836.70 * part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests. Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h elapsed real time: 40.75s simulation speed: 883348x
Thanks for your time.
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weird results when enabling simulate mana in 1.8.3.1
Please delete this post. I forgot to include Shamanistic Rage in my rotation, which lead to my OOM issues during simulation.
Last edited by Axekilla : 08/14/09 at 5:07 PM.
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Originally Posted by Axekilla
When running Enhsim 1.7.0.3b or 1.8.0, I was able to successfully simulate mana usage w/o strange results like 40% oom time.
With the latest 1.8.3.1, regardless of the values I put in, If I check simulate mana, my dps drops to 5400 or so. If I uncheck it, it'll shoot back up to 7250 or thereabouts. I don't have my exact config as I'm at work. I'll edit this post and add that later if that will help. Is there a reason why simulate mana doesn't work anymore? Am I missing something? My spec is 18/53 (2 pts reverb, 0 in imp ss) as per the BIS sheet. sim time and settings are identical to that same first post in the BIS sheet. |
enhsim_ep_exports.txt problems...
I have tried looking on here, and have looked through the readme file from the .zip download. I keep getting this error:
Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt
This file isn't in either the 1.8.2 version, or the beta 1.8.3 version I just downloaded. I tried creating this text file, since it also, stopped showing that it would output the ep values to the output.txt file. Still to no avail. Also, it is showing my windfury / flametongue as having a 0% uptime, in what it actually did output. I am just stumped as to what is going on.
I have tried it using both the EnhSimGui, and the batch files in the zip download. The only portion of the config file I changed was the info that is copied to the clipboard, from Rawr.
Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt
This file isn't in either the 1.8.2 version, or the beta 1.8.3 version I just downloaded. I tried creating this text file, since it also, stopped showing that it would output the ep values to the output.txt file. Still to no avail. Also, it is showing my windfury / flametongue as having a 0% uptime, in what it actually did output. I am just stumped as to what is going on.
I have tried it using both the EnhSimGui, and the batch files in the zip download. The only portion of the config file I changed was the info that is copied to the clipboard, from Rawr.
When you download and run enhsim on a computer that already had a previous version, make sure to point the enhsim gui to the location of the new executable version.
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Originally Posted by Thaekor
I have tried looking on here, and have looked through the readme file from the .zip download. I keep getting this error:
Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt This file isn't in either the 1.8.2 version, or the beta 1.8.3 version I just downloaded. I tried creating this text file, since it also, stopped showing that it would output the ep values to the output.txt file. Still to no avail. Also, it is showing my windfury / flametongue as having a 0% uptime, in what it actually did output. I am just stumped as to what is going on. I have tried it using both the EnhSimGui, and the batch files in the zip download. The only portion of the config file I changed was the info that is copied to the clipboard, from Rawr. |
http://www.lootrank.com/wr.asp?Cla=64&s7=4&Max=15&n1=1&Str=$strength&mh=$haste&dps=$mhdps&mcr=$crit&odps=$ohdps&spd=$spellpower&Agi=$agility&mhit=$hit&Int=$intelligence&Spi=&map=$attackpower&arp=$armorp&Exp=2&Ver=6&i3=0&i9=0&j8=0&t1=46212&t2=45480&t3=46203&t5=46205&t8=45553&t9=46208&t10=45249&t6=45108&t7=45444&t11=45503&t31=45525&t12=45931&t32=45263&t4=45224&t14=45449&t15=45463&t16=40267
I have the gui pointing to the new executable. I already checked that, and I ran it from the batch files aswell. I guess I should have been a little clearer on what I wanted. After running the EP calculation batch(or gui version for that matter), the output.txt file doesn't have the pawn string like it did in previous versions.
Recently, I have found myself playing resto far more often than enhance, and I roll on enhance gear when no one else wants it. Now i have several pieces of gear, and I want to see which of them are truly upgrades and which are sidegrades at best. Rawr is great, but it doesn't load the items in your inventory, without alt-tabbing to load each item individually (at least as far as I know). With pawn and Enhsim I used to run the sim, load the pawn string and pick the biggest upgrade item, and run it again, until I got the gear sorted out.
Recently, I have found myself playing resto far more often than enhance, and I roll on enhance gear when no one else wants it. Now i have several pieces of gear, and I want to see which of them are truly upgrades and which are sidegrades at best. Rawr is great, but it doesn't load the items in your inventory, without alt-tabbing to load each item individually (at least as far as I know). With pawn and Enhsim I used to run the sim, load the pawn string and pick the biggest upgrade item, and run it again, until I got the gear sorted out.
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Originally Posted by Thaekor
I have the gui pointing to the new executable. I already checked that, and I ran it from the batch files aswell. I guess I should have been a little clearer on what I wanted. After running the EP calculation batch(or gui version for that matter), the output.txt file doesn't have the pawn string like it did in previous versions.
Recently, I have found myself playing resto far more often than enhance, and I roll on enhance gear when no one else wants it. Now i have several pieces of gear, and I want to see which of them are truly upgrades and which are sidegrades at best. Rawr is great, but it doesn't load the items in your inventory, without alt-tabbing to load each item individually (at least as far as I know). With pawn and Enhsim I used to run the sim, load the pawn string and pick the biggest upgrade item, and run it again, until I got the gear sorted out. |
I'm using the sim for the first time today (shaman is an alt), and i noticed that the EP values tend to vary a great deal each time you run them.
What's the best way to handle this to get accurate numbers?
What's the best way to handle this to get accurate numbers?
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Originally Posted by Izuul
I'm using the sim for the first time today (shaman is an alt), and i noticed that the EP values tend to vary a great deal each time you run them.
What's the best way to handle this to get accurate numbers? |
Increase the number of hours. For accuracy you'll want it set to at least 5000 hours and the larger the number better. Also keep in mind that the bigger you set your EP test values the more accurate the results, even if they do lose some precision in the process.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Also keep in mind that the bigger you set your EP test values the more accurate the results, even if they do lose some precision in the process.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I think you have these reversed. If you set an EP value of 300 (for something), it should reduce the effect of RNG on the result but it may not be representative of what will happen if you add only 20 or 40.
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True, I could just be screwing up the terminology but that is how I've always thought of it working.
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I think what everyone's talking about here is consistent results 
If you want the sim to give (nearly) the same results every time you run it for a given input set, you'll need to increase the number of hours, as Rouncer says.
For most things you don't really need the smoothing provided by large EP values. Haste is the obvious exception here with massive swings in value over a very short range. The rest behave pretty much as expected and change in value very gradually.
If you want the sim to give (nearly) the same results every time you run it for a given input set, you'll need to increase the number of hours, as Rouncer says.For most things you don't really need the smoothing provided by large EP values. Haste is the obvious exception here with massive swings in value over a very short range. The rest behave pretty much as expected and change in value very gradually.
I searched this thread to see if Blood of the Old God is implemented and i would appear from previous posts that it is as long as i use the item id (45522). However when i add that item ID im still getting Trinket 45522 not found when i run the sim.
Am i missing something?
Edit: Oops i forgot to update my path to the new enhsim.exe.
Am i missing something?
Edit: Oops i forgot to update my path to the new enhsim.exe.
EnhSim 1.8.3.2 is out
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.3.2
Adding 6 second cooldown to Totem of Electrifying Winds proc.
Hyperspeed Accelerators will now work with on use trinkets. They will trigger a 10 second trinket lockout and will be used with higher priority than trinkets.
Thunder Capacitor and Reign of the Unliving proc fixed; they will now discharge on the 4th and 3rd proc respectively, and their cooldown applies between each proc, not just after a discharge.
Added the following trinkets from triumph badges
- Mark of Supremacy (mark_of_supremacy, 47734)
- Shard of the Crystal Heart (shard_of_the_crystal_heart, 48722)
- Talisman of Resurgence (talisman_of_resurgence, 48724)
The EP exports file Levva added is also included.
Right now the next thing I foresee adding will be the new Deathbringer proc. If anyone manages to get their hands on this, please add as much information as you can here (or in the 3.2 thread, or PM me).
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.3.2
Adding 6 second cooldown to Totem of Electrifying Winds proc.
Hyperspeed Accelerators will now work with on use trinkets. They will trigger a 10 second trinket lockout and will be used with higher priority than trinkets.
Thunder Capacitor and Reign of the Unliving proc fixed; they will now discharge on the 4th and 3rd proc respectively, and their cooldown applies between each proc, not just after a discharge.
Added the following trinkets from triumph badges
- Mark of Supremacy (mark_of_supremacy, 47734)
- Shard of the Crystal Heart (shard_of_the_crystal_heart, 48722)
- Talisman of Resurgence (talisman_of_resurgence, 48724)
The EP exports file Levva added is also included.
Right now the next thing I foresee adding will be the new Deathbringer proc. If anyone manages to get their hands on this, please add as much information as you can here (or in the 3.2 thread, or PM me).
EnhSim GUI
As an FYI I've started working on decompiling and getting a new clean source copy of the EnhSimGUI so we can move forward. Once I've got a fully working version of the last release I'll start on getting updates done. Nothing is available for testing yet but I'm 90% on having the display source where it needs to be and just need the config reading/writing fixed up so it can compile. My estimate is about a week or so to get that done.
If you have suggestions for improvements beyond just getting new items to show up by name in the drop downs (vs the code #) either send me a PM or add an item to the work list at the codeplex site (EnhSim - Issue Tracker). PLEASE DO NOT REPLY IN THE THREAD.
If you have suggestions for improvements beyond just getting new items to show up by name in the drop downs (vs the code #) either send me a PM or add an item to the work list at the codeplex site (EnhSim - Issue Tracker). PLEASE DO NOT REPLY IN THE THREAD.
Just to triple check here....
To put an item that isn't in the list in the gui yet into the sim, say the mjolnir runestone, or the totem of electrifying wind, I just put the item ID #, say 47666 for the totem, into the totem spot? Want to make sure I'm really right on this because doing that shows an almost 200 dps increase from my deadly gladiator's totem of indomitability which seems like a huge boost for a single piece (not that I'd be complaining!).
To put an item that isn't in the list in the gui yet into the sim, say the mjolnir runestone, or the totem of electrifying wind, I just put the item ID #, say 47666 for the totem, into the totem spot? Want to make sure I'm really right on this because doing that shows an almost 200 dps increase from my deadly gladiator's totem of indomitability which seems like a huge boost for a single piece (not that I'd be complaining!).
If you look at config.txt file that comes in the latest version of EnhSim, you can see all the various totems, set bonuses, trinkets, etc. that are commented out.
If you're using the EnhSimGui, it won't be able to access them, but use the gui for what you can, then go in and manually edit a config file (make sure you backup the original) and you can insert the appropriate items in there.
If you're using the EnhSimGui, it won't be able to access them, but use the gui for what you can, then go in and manually edit a config file (make sure you backup the original) and you can insert the appropriate items in there.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
A bazooka being used against a small target is pretty damn accurate even if it isn't very precise. Large EP values will give you very accurate results, they just won't have any precision at all.
True, I could just be screwing up the terminology but that is how I've always thought of it working. |
EP Values VARY depending on your gear. The most certainly VARY if you inflate their value. You CANNOT reliably use wildly varying EP values and have a hope of them giving accurate results for your current gear.
For example: we know that typical early Naxx EP values are very different from typical post Ulduar values. If you started with Early Naxx gear and adding huge EP steps what you are doing is pushing the results well past even T9 values. Do you seriously imagine that you are going to get good results?
EP values if they are ever of any use are only good for adding a small delta from your current gear and checking what effects they have. This is especially true of haste and the irritating effects of simulator precision where micro variants in hasted GCD effects can mean wild variants in what is theoretically possible for priorites. eg: dipping a GCD so that 14.00001 Magma totem drops is possible during a fight rather than 13.99999. A tiny tiny amount of extra haste can give a dps boost that you'd never actually experience in reality.
Using EP values should only ever be a manual short cut to actually trying out the current setup vs a proposed setup.
ie: if you sim your current gear get a set of realistic EP values and a dps total. If you use those EP values to suggest re-gemming/enchanting you SHOULD ALWAYS feed the proposed setup AFTER regemming/enchanting back into the sim to ACTUALLY CHECK if the dps went up.
Way to many times I've seen someone get EP results and say "EnhSim told me to re-gem for haste, so I removed all my AP gems and replaced with haste ones". They never tested the sim with the new gem config as often if they had the result would be LOWER dps. You cannot rely on EP values to give you anything other than general guidance as to what to go after. Actually running the sim with the new config is vital.
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Originally Posted by Levva
However this approach is fundamentally flawed as you cannot say that the EP values for say +300 Haste is anything like the EP values for +10 Haste.
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The concept is to find a compromise point between those two extremes and this is aided by increasing the length of time the sim is run for, to attempt to limit the amount of general randomness that enters into the results.
I did have an interesting thought though, based on your haste example. Maybe it would be a good idea to change combat length from a specific value to instead give it a range of values. So that instead of having the sim run 10 minute blocks of combat simulations for 10000 hours, it would run blocks that vary randomly in length from say 9:30 to 10:15 for those 10000 hours. That would more accurately simulate combat conditions where we have a general idea how long a fight will last but can't be that precise about it. This possibly could resolve some of the irregularities we are getting with haste values as well as limit any skewing of the results due to the influence of activated abilities. For example think about something like the hyperaccelerators. They have 12 second duration and a 1 minute cooldown or a 20% uptime but if the combat cycles were set to say 3:30 then they actually end up with a 23% uptime increasing their value. This gets even more skewed with something like the wrathstone or the Feral Spirits with their longer cooldowns.
Edited to fix as the concept was fine just had the terms mixed up.
Last edited by Rouncer : 08/24/09 at 12:00 AM.
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Random combat legnths an EXCELLENT idea, sorry couldn't resist given your caps comment.
It would be easily possible to randomly add say +/- 10% of the combat length. So if you set for 10 mins it varies between 9mins & 11 mins. If you set for 6 mins it varies between 5m 24s and 6m 36s. This would indeed smooth out the random effects of tiny haste value changes, due to fixed combat lengths.
Oh whilst I'm at it. Sylvand I was thinking that for EP value outputs it would be a good idea to include "Best Gem values" at the bottom of that so you list ...
Bright Cardinal Ruby (40 AP) : 40 EP
Delicate Cardinal Ruby (20 Agi) : X EP
Quick King's Amber (20 Haste) : X EP
Smooth King's Amber (20 Crit) : X EP
Runed Cardinal Ruby (23 Spellpower) : X EP etc.
The idea being that it smooths out the effect of the different item budgets and makes comparing easier.
Even better if you say listed top Red socket, Yellow socket, Blue socket gems by EP value. Which is possibly the most FAQ we get.
It would be easily possible to randomly add say +/- 10% of the combat length. So if you set for 10 mins it varies between 9mins & 11 mins. If you set for 6 mins it varies between 5m 24s and 6m 36s. This would indeed smooth out the random effects of tiny haste value changes, due to fixed combat lengths.
Oh whilst I'm at it. Sylvand I was thinking that for EP value outputs it would be a good idea to include "Best Gem values" at the bottom of that so you list ...
Bright Cardinal Ruby (40 AP) : 40 EP
Delicate Cardinal Ruby (20 Agi) : X EP
Quick King's Amber (20 Haste) : X EP
Smooth King's Amber (20 Crit) : X EP
Runed Cardinal Ruby (23 Spellpower) : X EP etc.
The idea being that it smooths out the effect of the different item budgets and makes comparing easier.
Even better if you say listed top Red socket, Yellow socket, Blue socket gems by EP value. Which is possibly the most FAQ we get.
Last edited by Levva : 08/20/09 at 11:12 AM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Random combat legnths an EXCELLENT idea, sorry couldn't resist given your caps comment.
It would be easily possible to randomly add say +/- 10% of the combat length. So if you set for 10 mins it varies between 9mins & 11 mins. If you set for 6 mins it varies between 5m 24s and 6m 36s. This would indeed smooth out the random effects of tiny haste value changes, due to fixed combat lengths. |
It shouldn't be difficult to add random combat length, though it will be an extra (optional) parameter in the config file so it might be tricky to use it with the GUI. Are you guys thinking uniform distribution or something like normal/etc.?
Accuracy vs. precision; I don't want to push to point all too much because it's coming down to a matter of semantics, but I would mention that the wikipedia article Accuracy and precision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia uses them in the same way Levva and I have. There's a good chance other people would use them the same way.
Accuracy vs. precision; I don't want to push to point all too much because it's coming down to a matter of semantics, but I would mention that the wikipedia article Accuracy and precision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia uses them in the same way Levva and I have. There's a good chance other people would use them the same way.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Simming with +300 crit rating will be pretty accurate but your precision will be in the toilet so the results will be useless,
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Originally Posted by Levva
Random combat legnths an EXCELLENT idea, sorry couldn't resist given your caps comment.
It would be easily possible to randomly add say +/- 10% of the combat length. So if you set for 10 mins it varies between 9mins & 11 mins. If you set for 6 mins it varies between 5m 24s and 6m 36s. This would indeed smooth out the random effects of tiny haste value changes, due to fixed combat lengths. |
Also, if you are running multiple iterations of the same fight length, I would be very wary of how you end the fight.
DPS = Total_Damage / Time_Spent_Attacking
Time_Spent_Attacking can be defined in a couple different ways. Granted, this is more of an issue for characters with long cast-time nukes......
Another way to get slight variation in combat length is to limit the sim by target health.
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Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen
Another way to get slight variation in combat length is to limit the sim by target health.
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If you go with variation of the fight time idea, I wouldn't advocate randomly adjusting the fight time, but would instead span the range of times from a particular distribution (flat, gaussian, or whatever). A set of random fight times has the potential to be misleading, just like a set of fights all of the same length can be. If we have a fixed distribution of times over the whole range then we can be sure that we've sampled fight lengths at enough of the relevant points.
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Originally Posted by Schwolop
Except that then people would need to work out beforehand how much health to allocate to their simulated boss, etc. Perhaps run the sim as normal for a time duration, and when this duration is elapsed switch to a target health of a hundred thousand or so.
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At the end of every iteration, you recalculate with a dampening factor.
void target_t::recalculate_health()
{
if ( sim -> max_time == 0 ) return;
if ( initial_health == 0 )
{
current_health = total_dmg;
initial_health = current_health * ( sim -> max_time / sim -> current_time );
}
else
{
double delta_time = sim -> current_time - sim -> max_time;
delta_time /= sim -> current_iteration + 1; // dampening factor
double factor = 1 - ( delta_time / sim -> max_time );
if ( factor > 1.5 ) factor = 1.5;
if ( factor < 0.5 ) factor = 0.5;
initial_health *= factor;
}
if ( sim -> debug ) log_t::output( sim, "Target initial health calculated to be %.0f", initial_health );
}
The example of haste is a tricky one because of its interaction with the windfury cooldown.
I'll take my current output as an example. This is with a Haste EP step of 20 to mimic the insertion of a single epic haste gem (which is rather contrived but bear with me):
As you can see this shows quite a low value for haste. Increasing this value to mimic a trinket proc of, say, 300 haste gives:
The important thing here is to understand, as many of you already do, that adding 300 haste is proportionally far more beneficial than adding 20 haste.
Because of the example I put above I'd suggest not doing this. Using exactly the same gear and just by changing the EP step value for Haste I drastically altered the "best Gem". From experience we know that gemming AP is generally the way to go. Putting the "Best Gem Values" at the bottom on the enhsim output would be overly confusing to newer users, and really isn't needed for anyone else.
For the newest enhance shaman the best thing to do would be to point them towards the think-tank entry and to the BiS gear list post, and perhaps develop some quick tutorials on how to use Rawr and Enhsim.
I'll take my current output as an example. This is with a Haste EP step of 20 to mimic the insertion of a single epic haste gem (which is rather contrived but bear with me):
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 7523.60 ap 1.00 0.65 7654.22 130.62 crit rating 1.54 1.01 7553.77 30.17 hit rating 1.61 1.05 7555.09 31.48 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7523.60 haste rating 1.47 0.96 7542.78 19.17 armor penetration rating 1.43 0.93 7551.61 28.00 spellpower 1.00 0.65 7621.62 98.01 mh dps 5.39 3.52 7550.00 26.40 oh dps 1.83 1.20 7532.58 8.97
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 7522.27 ap 1.00 0.65 7653.18 130.91 crit rating 1.75 1.14 7556.57 34.30 hit rating 1.65 1.08 7554.76 32.49 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7522.27 haste rating 2.14 1.40 7941.61 419.34 armor penetration rating 1.45 0.95 7550.77 28.50 spellpower 0.97 0.64 7617.89 95.62 mh dps 4.92 3.22 7546.43 24.16 oh dps 2.49 1.63 7534.51 12.24
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Originally Posted by Levva
Oh whilst I'm at it. Sylvand I was thinking that for EP value outputs it would be a good idea to include "Best Gem values" at the bottom of that so you list ...
Bright Cardinal Ruby (40 AP) : 40 EP Delicate Cardinal Ruby (20 Agi) : X EP Quick King's Amber (20 Haste) : X EP Smooth King's Amber (20 Crit) : X EP Runed Cardinal Ruby (23 Spellpower) : X EP etc. |
For the newest enhance shaman the best thing to do would be to point them towards the think-tank entry and to the BiS gear list post, and perhaps develop some quick tutorials on how to use Rawr and Enhsim.
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Originally Posted by Andrast
The example of haste is a tricky one because of its interaction with the windfury cooldown.
The important thing here is to understand, as many of you already do, that adding 300 haste is proportionally far more beneficial than adding 20 haste. Because of the example I put above I'd suggest not doing this. Using exactly the same gear and just by changing the EP step value for Haste I drastically altered the "best Gem". From experience we know that gemming AP is generally the way to go. Putting the "Best Gem Values" at the bottom on the enhsim output would be overly confusing to newer users, and really isn't needed for anyone else. For the newest enhance shaman the best thing to do would be to point them towards the think-tank entry and to the BiS gear list post, and perhaps develop some quick tutorials on how to use Rawr and Enhsim. |
It would be an interesting exercise to map haste EP step values to haste EP results given say the result from the BiS thread and step it from 10 in steps of 10 and plot the resultant EP curve. My guess from partial trials is you will get a very wavy line.
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Originally Posted by Levva
It would be an interesting exercise to map haste EP step values to haste EP results given say the result from the BiS thread and step it from 10 in steps of 10 and plot the resultant EP curve. My guess from partial trials is you will get a very wavy line.
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I came here just now to post something very similar to this:
It would be really neat if enhsim (or a script utilizing it) had a function that automagically found the local DPS maximum for regemming haste over crit or AP; so literally subtract X crit/2XAP, add X haste, compare DPS, rinse+repeat. This gets around the whole EP problem with haste (is the haste you have most valuable when the EP value is high, or does it only get high when you have the previous "less-worthful" haste to get there?) and goes for what we really want - DPS.
Of course it would be highly interesting to have a tool that parses enhsim's output to begin with (which you'd need to perform the above), to perform the above analyses into haste's value over the haste coordinate.
I have a quick question, when LS is put into the rotation, does Enhsim just refresh it every time nothing else is on available on the list or does it refresh at a certain number of charges?
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Originally Posted by clliche
I have a quick question, when LS is put into the rotation, does Enhsim just refresh it every time nothing else is on available on the list or does it refresh at a certain number of charges?
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For some reason I keep getting a strange message and I cant seem to find out whats causing it. The message is "Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt". I find reinstalling it works sometimes but I'd rather find a more permanent solution. I'm also wondering if Enhsim is going to be getting an update anytime soon for new items and things?
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Originally Posted by Malan
I think you've mixed up those terms. As noted above in the wiki link, precision relates to the repeatability of the data. Repeated simulation with the same inputs produces fairly precise data - the output values of dps and EP values aren't going to dramatically change from one run to another as long as the inputs are fixed.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
I very much could have mixed up the terms and stated as much too, but the basic concept is sound in any event. You have to make choices between being incredibly accurate and incredibly precise and it is finding a proper compromise point that really matters. I guess we could continue the discussion further but it gets into the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal and doesn't really seem necessary to take it to that level [i](reading "Black Hole War" lately and I am 5 shots of So Ju and 3 beers in at the moment)[i].
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I'm a first time user of enhsim...and whenever I hit simulate or calculate EP values, the dos window comes up but it doesn't do anything. I have enhsim.exe as the path file. Was wondering if there was a way to fix this issue.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
You have to make choices between being incredibly accurate and incredibly precise and it is finding a proper compromise point that really matters. I guess we could continue the discussion further but it gets into the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal
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Originally Posted by Malan
Huh? Not at all. It's perfectly reasonable to try to achieve both precision and accuracy in experimentation. They are not mutually exclusive.
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EnhSim, DPS simulator
If you run ranges like that you will get very precise results in that they will be repeatable with a small range of variation but how accurate will they be? Real stat changes will be in the 2 digit range and not the 3 digit range so the accuracy will be low. Run with EP values set to a single gem and the results will be more accurate but how precise as variation between each individual run is going to be significant.
Big EP Range
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 10 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 50 max_lag 100 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 300 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 300 ep_armor_penetration_rating 300 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 3 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 10 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 MW4_LB rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 SS rotation_priority7 ES rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LL rotation_priority10 LS miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 16.0/16.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 1 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race orc mh_speed 2.7 oh_speed 2.7 mh_dps 188.1 oh_dps 178.9 mh_crit 32.35 oh_crit 32.35 mh_hit 13.63 oh_hit 13.63 mh_expertise_rating 110 oh_expertise_rating 110 ap 4433 melee_haste 14.23 armor_penetration 8.28 str 149 agi 899 int 573 spi 172 spellpower 1330 spell_crit 24.28 spell_hit 17.04 spell_haste 10.95 max_mana 12711 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon fist oh_weapon - trinket1 40256 trinket2 45286 totem 42607 set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant hyperspeed_accelerators cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
EnhSim version 1.8.3.2 EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 7142.06 ap 1.00 0.65 7272.72 130.66 crit rating 1.85 1.21 7505.43 363.37 hit rating 1.58 1.03 7173.02 30.96 expertise rating 0.84 0.55 7160.04 17.98 haste rating 1.72 1.13 7479.63 337.57 armor penetration rating 1.68 1.10 7470.66 328.60 spellpower 1.02 0.67 7242.32 100.26 mh dps 5.24 3.43 7167.75 25.69 oh dps 2.60 1.70 7154.79 12.73 strength 1.10 agility 1.73 intelligence* 1.40 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7142.06 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7142.06 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7142.06 elapsed simulation time: 55000.00h elapsed real time: 111.26s simulation speed: 1779631x
EnhSim version 1.8.3.2 EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 7141.85 ap 1.00 0.65 7271.52 129.68 crit rating 1.87 1.22 7506.39 364.54 hit rating 1.58 1.02 7172.51 30.67 expertise rating 0.96 0.62 7162.25 20.41 haste rating 1.74 1.13 7479.77 337.92 armor penetration rating 1.69 1.10 7470.58 328.73 spellpower 1.06 0.69 7245.13 103.28 mh dps 5.47 3.55 7168.46 26.61 oh dps 2.26 1.46 7152.82 10.98 strength 1.10 agility 1.74 intelligence* 1.40 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.85 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.85 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.85 elapsed simulation time: 55000.00h elapsed real time: 111.08s simulation speed: 1782531x
Now for 1 gem range values
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 40 ep_crit_rating 20 ep_hit_rating 20 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 20 ep_armor_penetration_rating 20 ep_spellpower 23 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20
EnhSim version 1.8.3.2 EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 7141.43 ap 1.00 0.65 7167.61 26.18 crit rating 1.84 1.20 7165.48 24.05 hit rating 1.66 1.08 7163.12 21.70 expertise rating 0.93 0.61 7161.46 20.03 haste rating 1.83 1.20 7165.41 23.99 armor penetration rating 1.53 1.00 7161.43 20.01 spellpower 1.11 0.72 7158.07 16.65 mh dps 5.54 3.62 7168.61 27.18 oh dps 2.63 1.72 7154.33 12.90 strength 1.10 agility 1.74 intelligence* 1.39 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.43 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.43 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.43 elapsed simulation time: 55000.00h elapsed real time: 110.83s simulation speed: 1786503x
EnhSim version 1.8.3.2 EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 7141.70 ap 1.00 0.64 7167.34 25.64 crit rating 1.68 1.07 7163.20 21.50 hit rating 1.63 1.05 7162.63 20.93 expertise rating 0.91 0.58 7160.82 19.12 haste rating 1.84 1.18 7165.33 23.62 armor penetration rating 1.63 1.05 7162.65 20.95 spellpower 1.13 0.72 7158.37 16.66 mh dps 5.35 3.43 7167.44 25.74 oh dps 2.64 1.69 7154.40 12.69 strength 1.10 agility 1.69 intelligence* 1.37 spirit 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.70 mana 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.70 mp5 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7141.70 elapsed simulation time: 55000.00h elapsed real time: 110.68s simulation speed: 1788892x
I think there is a small issue with the simulator and weapon speed. If you are using two weapons with the same attack speed the sim result shows a higher uptime for flurry.
This was mentioned on page 43/44 but it seems that it was never fixed:
I did some similar tests and i never get my weapons in phase.
3.0.3 patch notes - shaman
It seems they fixed it by preventing two white hits at the same time.
This was mentioned on page 43/44 but it seems that it was never fixed:
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Originally Posted by Tramana
It's simple enough to see if you're getting in phase weapons in a wws parse or combatlog for a fight like patchwerk
Or you can test on a target dummy. Get into range of the target dummy and start with a SS. For me this is what I got when I tried: 1/1 14:09:23.526 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,17364,"Stormstrike",0x9 1/1 14:09:23.535 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1711,1710,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:23.570 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Stormstrike",0x1,1851,1850,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:23.570 SPELL_DAMAGE,"Stormstrike",0x1,990,989,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:24.794 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1053,1052,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:25.446 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1038,1037,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 1/1 14:09:26.653 SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1036,1035,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil |
3.0.3 patch notes - shaman
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
You are still missing my point. It's a matter of degrees. You can't be perfectly accurate and perfectly precise, you can only ever have a compromise between the two stats.
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Seriously, I have no idea where you are getting this from. That is not true at all. Accuracy and Precision are 2 very different things - they are not attached on some sort of sliding spectrum where the more you have of one the less you have of the other. You can have an instrument be very accurate and very precise at the same time. This is not at all like the Heisenberg principle, you need to banish that from your mind.
[e] Think of this as though you were firing a rifle at a gun range. If your shots are scattered all over the target, then you are neither accurate nor precise. If you can get them all dead center of the target then you have high accuracy and high precision. If they're all clustered to one side of the target then you have low accuracy but high precision. Or you could have the shots relatively near the center of the target (accurate) but not in a tight cluster (low precision).
Last edited by Malan : 08/24/09 at 10:18 AM.
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Ok guys I'm off on holiday now, as I was bored before I left I've done some work on ShockAndAwe and released a new version you can see the details of the changes at ShockAndAwe (formerly DisqoDice)
Rouncer has been added as a co-ordinator of the EnhSim project so that he can add additional developers as needed. eg: if someone comes forward to work on the GUI part. Someone did say they wanted to do that but they haven't posted on this thread if I recall correctly. If you still want to participate and help update the GUI check with Sylvand and Rouncer please as they can add you to the project.
I'll see how I feel on my return if I want to continue playing game, if I don't then all the best to you all. Otherwise I'll be back in 3 weeks. The feedback from Blizzcon with all the dumming down of the stats makes me think that a big chunk of theorycrafting is going to disappear and therefore why bother continuing to play when thats a huge part of what makes the game fun for me. However I appreciate it will be at least 8 months to a year before Cataclysm hits the shops, so I might just play on once back from holiday. Assuming of course I can find a suitable guild on an EU realm.
If the shots are all clustered to one side is this not high consistency rather than high precision? However that said its a decent analogy.
Accurate - free from error
Precise - exactly measured
In sim terms - the degree of precision is how wide a range of results you get - the degree of accuracy is how close the correct answer you are (in our case the "correct" answer is the results seen in game).
Rouncer has been added as a co-ordinator of the EnhSim project so that he can add additional developers as needed. eg: if someone comes forward to work on the GUI part. Someone did say they wanted to do that but they haven't posted on this thread if I recall correctly. If you still want to participate and help update the GUI check with Sylvand and Rouncer please as they can add you to the project.
I'll see how I feel on my return if I want to continue playing game, if I don't then all the best to you all. Otherwise I'll be back in 3 weeks. The feedback from Blizzcon with all the dumming down of the stats makes me think that a big chunk of theorycrafting is going to disappear and therefore why bother continuing to play when thats a huge part of what makes the game fun for me. However I appreciate it will be at least 8 months to a year before Cataclysm hits the shops, so I might just play on once back from holiday. Assuming of course I can find a suitable guild on an EU realm.
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Originally Posted by Malan
Think of this as though you were firing a rifle at a gun range. If your shots are scattered all over the target, then you are neither accurate nor precise. If you can get them all dead center of the target then you have high accuracy and high precision. If they're all clustered to one side of the target then you have low accuracy but high precision. Or you could have the shots relatively near the center of the target (accurate) but not in a tight cluster (low precision).
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Accurate - free from error
Precise - exactly measured
In sim terms - the degree of precision is how wide a range of results you get - the degree of accuracy is how close the correct answer you are (in our case the "correct" answer is the results seen in game).
Last edited by Levva : 08/25/09 at 9:29 AM.
I'm still working on the GUI. Guess my last post was in the [Enhancement] 3.2 Changes thread instead of this one when someone else brought up changes they'd like to see.
Issues on my house have prevented me from moving as fast as I'd like but I'd like to target this weekend for a first pass. Short version is that writing things out is done and just need to work on reading in files and copying from the clipboard.
Issues on my house have prevented me from moving as fast as I'd like but I'd like to target this weekend for a first pass. Short version is that writing things out is done and just need to work on reading in files and copying from the clipboard.
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Originally Posted by Levva
The feedback from Blizzcon with all the dumming down of the stats makes me think that a big chunk of theorycrafting is going to disappear and therefore why bother continuing to play when thats a huge part of what makes the game fun for me. However I appreciate it will be at least 8 months to a year before Cataclysm hits the shops, so I might just play on once back from holiday. Assuming of course I can find a suitable guild on an EU realm.
In sim terms - the degree of precision is how wide a range of results you get - the degree of accuracy is how close the correct answer you are (in our case the "correct" answer is the results seen in game). |
Basically the more I think about it the happier I am with the concept of the itemization changes, although it remains to see how exactly things will work out. Besides that Mastery stat is going to need some serious simming to determine how valuable it will actually be compared to something like the revised Agility.
As for the who accuracy/precision thing, that's precisely the point I was trying to make (see what I did there). Setting the EP range very large will give you a small range of answers but how applicable those answers are to the real conditions in the game is disputable. Setting the EP range very small (say 1 gem value) will give you results that are very applicable to in game conditions but the range of those results may be unacceptable large. Increasing the sim time helps stabilize things but there still has to be some understanding of the above involved when choosing what values to utilize.
Personally, I think it's going to be a large improvement. We've long complained that shamans are over-itemized (more useful stats than virtually any other class), and this move clearly corrects that. They additionally said that we'd get a mechanic like retadins to convert spellpower (represented in this scenario by intellect) to AP, so that we don't have to itemize for that specifically any more, and that they'd address the resulting mana issues "somehow."
There will still be a wealth of TC to be done between Mastery stats, relative bonuses between different stats (since all will now be affected by buffs, not just some), the increased procs from items/talent-based abilities they promised to replace the lost stats and "make X spell more powerful" talents that currently exist and, possibly, some of the Path of the Titans character advancement "glyphs." It could be a giant mess, but I really don't expect gear to become something like Thrall's Headpiece of the Whale, or for us suddenly to no longer need to sim.
There will still be a wealth of TC to be done between Mastery stats, relative bonuses between different stats (since all will now be affected by buffs, not just some), the increased procs from items/talent-based abilities they promised to replace the lost stats and "make X spell more powerful" talents that currently exist and, possibly, some of the Path of the Titans character advancement "glyphs." It could be a giant mess, but I really don't expect gear to become something like Thrall's Headpiece of the Whale, or for us suddenly to no longer need to sim.
Reducing number of stats was expected, some of them are simply combinations of other stats and cheating Item level budget as such. I do not like current situation when every gearing step has to be verified by external programs that produce results that cannot be verified in game. Theorycrafting will remain strong, reforging alone will be huge theorycrafting challenge.
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Originally Posted by Yo!
Theorycrafting will remain strong, reforging alone will be huge theorycrafting challenge.
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Imagine reforging could work like enchanting, where there are specific recipes that everyone knows. Example: "Converts Spirit into 50% equivalent hit rating on gloves." I'm not saying it would work like this, but something along those lines would be pretty comparable to existing features. |
I am very new to enhsim. I used ensidia's guide to using it.. Anyways my ep values
Ap 1
crit 1.67
hit 1.67 (ensidia had me lower my hit rating no weapons to show what hit would give if i lost hit on an item)
exp 2.78 ( same as above, i am at cap)
now, haste was 3.17
Now i know that haste is sometimes the best to gem.. but 3.17? seems really high.. Is this normal?
and by the way, i used rawr to copy my character to clipboard
Ap 1
crit 1.67
hit 1.67 (ensidia had me lower my hit rating no weapons to show what hit would give if i lost hit on an item)
exp 2.78 ( same as above, i am at cap)
now, haste was 3.17
Now i know that haste is sometimes the best to gem.. but 3.17? seems really high.. Is this normal?
and by the way, i used rawr to copy my character to clipboard
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I'm using enhsim ver 1.8.3.2 and can't find the the new T9 set bonus option. Is there a newer version that I'm missing or has this not yet been added?
Last edited by Saabu : 08/25/09 at 5:12 PM.
It's listed in the config file, the last line for set bonuses.
"t9_battlegear_2 | t9_battlegear_4 | t9_regalia_2 | t9_regalia_4"
Battlegear is the enhance set, Regalia is the elemental set.
"t9_battlegear_2 | t9_battlegear_4 | t9_regalia_2 | t9_regalia_4"
Battlegear is the enhance set, Regalia is the elemental set.
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Just to confirm.
Inside the 'procs and stuff' tab, in the drop down list for set bonus, the T9 set does not show up. Instead I type it in manually?
It does not show up for me in the drop down menu for some reason.
Inside the 'procs and stuff' tab, in the drop down list for set bonus, the T9 set does not show up. Instead I type it in manually?
It does not show up for me in the drop down menu for some reason.
Last edited by Saabu : 08/26/09 at 3:08 PM.
Troubles with Enhsimgui
Hello, I am having troubles having updated trinkets in my drop-down menu, I have downloaded the latest version multiple times, any help would be appreciated
Sometimes EnhSim GUI will point to old versions of the actual EnhSim application. The path is in the bottom right hand corner of the GUI. Point it at the latest version of the app and you should be good to go.
If you're asking about selecting the latest trinkets, sometimes they're not named so you'll have to export from ShockandAwe or know what the corresponding #'s are.
If you're asking about selecting the latest trinkets, sometimes they're not named so you'll have to export from ShockandAwe or know what the corresponding #'s are.
Nothing from the newly added sets/trinkets will show up in the gui since the source for the gui isn't available thus cannot be edited, so the new stuff can't be added as long as someone manages to decompile it.
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Originally Posted by Aximous
Nothing from the newly added sets/trinkets will show up in the gui since the source for the gui isn't available thus cannot be edited, so the new stuff can't be added as long as someone manages to decompile it.
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If you're having trouble figuring out what the item id for a particular trinket should be, look it up on wowhead and the number in the url will be the id.
..Alright, stupid question, but, how do I export from ShockandAwe? I Control+C it, then what do I do with it? Thanks again, Ehan.
You press the "copy from clipboard" button...
I'm an orc with a fist weapon MH and mace OH. when i sim for expertise, i get around 1.14 for expertise when i'm at 26/21 (MH/OH expertise) and 0.6 for 28/23 (Have to call the fist weapon an axe in enhsimgui since it doesn't include "fist" as an option). But I see a lot of well-known top enh orc shamans at 31/26 expertise on wow armory. Would different gear really make that much of a difference? Based on enhsim I was going to forget gemming expertise past 26 on the MH but I would appreciate any thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Sansa
I'm an orc with a fist weapon MH and mace OH. when i sim for expertise, i get around 1.14 for expertise when i'm at 26/21 (MH/OH expertise) and 0.6 for 28/23 (Have to call the fist weapon an axe in enhsimgui since it doesn't include "fist" as an option). But I see a lot of well-known top enh orc shamans at 31/26 expertise on wow armory. Would different gear really make that much of a difference? Based on enhsim I was going to forget gemming expertise past 26 on the MH but I would appreciate any thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Sansa
I'm an orc with a fist weapon MH and mace OH. when i sim for expertise, i get around 1.14 for expertise when i'm at 26/21 (MH/OH expertise) and 0.6 for 28/23 (Have to call the fist weapon an axe in enhsimgui since it doesn't include "fist" as an option). But I see a lot of well-known top enh orc shamans at 31/26 expertise on wow armory. Would different gear really make that much of a difference? Based on enhsim I was going to forget gemming expertise past 26 on the MH but I would appreciate any thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Probably the EP calculation in the second case is going beyond the expertise cap for your offhand. I would recommend you check the EP value you have set for expertise.
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any info for OSX users? ienhsim (the Cocoa GUI) is still the 3.1 version (should be the same engine of EnhSim 1.7.x)
and the latest EnhSim release doesn't include OSX command line anymore. I tried to dwonload the latest repository revision, but the included executable seems to be out of date, it outputs:
and the latest EnhSim release doesn't include OSX command line anymore. I tried to dwonload the latest repository revision, but the included executable seems to be out of date, it outputs:
Totem totem_of_electrifying_wind not found. EnhSim version 1.7.0.3 by Verges: xxxxxxx@gmail.com
A preliminary version of the EnhSimGUI is now available from http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/561320/EnhSimGUI.zip. The new items aren't added yet, but some of Rouncer's requested changes are in since they were easy to do at the same time as the code cleanup. This is just the first step to make sure that the source was decompiled and put back together into a functional application.
If people could please test with their existing config files, rawr and shock and awe and let me know how it works. My testing showed that everything worked well except for some odd things from severely out of date files.
Once I've got some feedback I'll get this added to the official release and start working on additional upgrades/fixes from the community.
If people could please test with their existing config files, rawr and shock and awe and let me know how it works. My testing showed that everything worked well except for some odd things from severely out of date files.
Once I've got some feedback I'll get this added to the official release and start working on additional upgrades/fixes from the community.
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Seems to work but there is kind of a scrunching effect going on where some of the text is overlapping the option windows.
Attaching Screenshots of the Scrunching per request and one of the old view sans scrunchiness.
Attaching Screenshots of the Scrunching per request and one of the old view sans scrunchiness.
Last edited by Rouncer : 08/30/09 at 12:29 AM.
Cool that's easy to fix and I'll just put something in for it with the next feature version. I'm just hoping for no crashes or unusual behavior.
Please everyone make sure that the files written out match and provide the same results when run for simulation or EP values. That's the truest test if this whole experiment has been a success.
Please everyone make sure that the files written out match and provide the same results when run for simulation or EP values. That's the truest test if this whole experiment has been a success.
One other issue I discovered for myself. If you cut and paste in from rawr or shock and awe your rotation will be wiped out. This will be fixed in the next trial version I put out (probably tomorrow).
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Originally Posted by Sansa
I'm an orc with a fist weapon MH and mace OH. when i sim for expertise, i get around 1.14 for expertise when i'm at 26/21 (MH/OH expertise) and 0.6 for 28/23 (Have to call the fist weapon an axe in enhsimgui since it doesn't include "fist" as an option). But I see a lot of well-known top enh orc shamans at 31/26 expertise on wow armory. Would different gear really make that much of a difference? Based on enhsim I was going to forget gemming expertise past 26 on the MH but I would appreciate any thoughts.
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Your sim values mean that gemming expertise at the 26/21 level is still better than gemming AP but at 28/23, you're better off just being slightly short of expertise cap and gemming AP. Therefore, I'm guessing that at 27/22 or so, you're already better off not hitting expertise cap on your offhand and simply going for AP (or haste...).
31/26 is just a relic of pre-3.2. I'm sure that we will see more shaman with un-capped expertise on their off-hand (if possible with a fist/axe and then a mace OH), especially since T9 seems to have less expertise than previous sets.
New GUI Calculate EP
I copied and pasted my enhsim folder to new test folder, then replace enhsimgui.exe and ran it. Loaded up my config file and hit Simulate, no problems at all. Same numbers as the old enhsimgui.exe but when I hit Calculate EP Values I get the following error message. Yes it is pointing to the correct enhsim.exe executable.
My config
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: Empty path name is not legal.
at System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options)
at System.IO.StreamWriter.CreateFile(String path, Boolean append)
at System.IO.StreamWriter..ctor(String path, Boolean append, Encoding encoding, Int32 bufferSize)
at System.IO.StreamWriter..ctor(String path, Boolean append)
at EnhSimGUI.MainForm.writeConfigFile(String filename)
at EnhSimGUI.MainForm.mCalcEPValuesButton_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
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mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///c:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
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New version: here.
Changes:
If I don't get any more error reports I'll get it committed and I'll make an official release.
Changes:
- Fixed the crash when attempting to calculate EP values
- Fixed scrunched text labels
- Pasting in from rawr or shock and awe no longer deletes the rotation setup
- Added names for new trinkets, totems and sets
- Lower level items removed from the drop downs (item codes still work)
If I don't get any more error reports I'll get it committed and I'll make an official release.
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Okay so I don't think this has been discussed lately, but given the large number of Off-set pieces in ToC with armor pen on them, I started playing around with my ArP numbers a bit. Of course if we had other options, I wouldn't even bother doing this, but since we're probably going to have to deal with a few pieces with ArP on them, I figured I'd see how much it would take to actually make it good. At 50%ish ArP sims higher than AP and at 60%ish it passes haste (for my config at least).
My question is, has anyone tried fully gearing/gemming for it on live? I only checked by bumping up the value in the sim, I haven't set up a gearset w/ it on chardev, only because most of the pieces aren't in the DB yet.
Next week, when heroic is available, the pieces should be in the DB, and I can sim the gearset, but for now, do you guys think gemming it up to 50% is viable once you have a few pieces?
[e] Looks like ArPen is nerfed on the PTR Incoming Rogue Changes Discussion. Post 308. If that's the case, nevermind!
My question is, has anyone tried fully gearing/gemming for it on live? I only checked by bumping up the value in the sim, I haven't set up a gearset w/ it on chardev, only because most of the pieces aren't in the DB yet.
Next week, when heroic is available, the pieces should be in the DB, and I can sim the gearset, but for now, do you guys think gemming it up to 50% is viable once you have a few pieces?
[e] Looks like ArPen is nerfed on the PTR Incoming Rogue Changes Discussion. Post 308. If that's the case, nevermind!
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Originally Posted by Cochice
[e] Looks like ArPen is nerfed on the PTR Incoming Rogue Changes Discussion. Post 308. If that's the case, nevermind!
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Since we all know the exactness of the enhanced shaman rotation (priority) , why is it not simply standardized into the Enhsim?
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Originally Posted by iconocclast
Since we all know the exactness of the enhanced shaman rotation (priority) , why is it not simply standardized into the Enhsim?
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TLDR - Not everything needs to be dumbed down.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
TLDR - Not everything needs to be dumbed down.
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With regards to ArP, has anyone heard any more information on this? I am reading a 13% nerf to the total amount of armor penetrated by current ArP ratings. Is this a bug on PTR or intended?
For some reason whenever I hit calculate EP values I always get an error unless I uncheck MW_5 and SW in the priority rotation. It gets an "Enhancement Shaman simulator has stopped working" error. Is there a way to fix this?
Is anyone else simming 20/51/0 well? This is with 4 points in Reverb (0.8s reduced cooldown on on shocks) taking a points out of imp. shields, imp. SS, AK and shamanistic focus. I have this coming out almost 50DPS higher.
I don't know how well this works in practice since that appears to be a lot less mana efficiency and while mana isn't an issue at the moment, it might be with this config.
I don't know how well this works in practice since that appears to be a lot less mana efficiency and while mana isn't an issue at the moment, it might be with this config.
1.8.3.3 is out. This updates only the EnhSim.exe and config.txt files; the GUI has not been updated with this release.
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.3.3
Adding Flare of the Heavens (flare_of_the_heavens, 45518), 10% chance to proc on direct spell damage (shock LB, LO, CL, LvB)
Changing Totem of Quaking Earth to 400 AP proc with 9s ICD
Changing Totem of Electrifying Winds to 70% proc chance.
EnhSim - Release: v1.8.3.3
Adding Flare of the Heavens (flare_of_the_heavens, 45518), 10% chance to proc on direct spell damage (shock LB, LO, CL, LvB)
Changing Totem of Quaking Earth to 400 AP proc with 9s ICD
Changing Totem of Electrifying Winds to 70% proc chance.
Preliminary sim using BiS setup says that Quaking Earth sims 13 DPS lower than Electrifying Wind, and this DPS gets worse as LL is moved up the priority list.
DPS with electifying wind went up by about 10 DPS with the latest version of the sim btw.
DPS with electifying wind went up by about 10 DPS with the latest version of the sim btw.
I don't think that simming with ToQE will be all that effective as Enhsim does not take into account that we would open with LL>SS>ES then go into the normal priotity list.
If an opening attack sequence could be added or a LL_QE (LL if QE buff is off) to the priority list, then I think we would see its true, if any, gain.
If an opening attack sequence could be added or a LL_QE (LL if QE buff is off) to the priority list, then I think we would see its true, if any, gain.
I doubt on the long term it would be much of a gain since you would get to LL after at worst 4 casts in the opening and after that it's near 100% uptime so you'd loose only very little dps in the beginning.
I'm seeing the same thing with the BiS setup. The ToEW increase is of course due to adjusting the proc chance (70% from 66%).
It looks like haste being weird in action again; for my current gear ToQE is simming about 100 dps increase.
It looks like haste being weird in action again; for my current gear ToQE is simming about 100 dps increase.
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
Preliminary sim using BiS setup says that Quaking Earth sims 13 DPS lower than Electrifying Wind, and this DPS gets worse as LL is moved up the priority list.
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Sylvand, would changing the combat time setting to a variable range help to fix some of that haste weirdness? So that each combat session would have a random amount of time in combat based on a range set in the config? It would function similar to latency in the config/GUI and would add another element of realism into the sim's functionality.
Couple of other things I've been thinking about on the realism front would be percentage of time in melee range and a multiple target option. Not sure how to determine a percentage of time in melee range without someone coding a mod that would track the percentage of time in melee range per combat period but the multiple target option shouldn't be too hard to incorporate.
Last edited by Rouncer : 09/02/09 at 1:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Did you remember to add MW3-CL back into the rotation and to drop MW3-LB when using ToQE? Once ToQE is fixed it is the best option and should be on the BiS set no matter what the sim says. Why? Because not every encounter is a single target stand still fight and ToEW is an awful choice for those encounters since it precludes using chain lightning. If you want your BiS list to have relevancy to the conditions people are facing in the game and to be an aid to people interested in maximizing their performance then you have to take that into account.
Sylvand, would changing the combat time setting to a variable range help to fix some of that haste weirdness? So that each combat session would have a random amount of time in combat based on a range set in the config? It would function similar to latency in the config/GUI and would add another element of realism into the sim's functionality. Couple of other things I've been thinking about on the realism front would be percentage of time in melee range and a multiple target option. Not sure how to determine a percentage of time in melee range without someone coding a mod that would track the percentage of time in melee range per combat period but the multiple target option shouldn't be too hard to incorporate. |
As far as melee range etc., multi-target (for magma totem and chain lightning) is probably feasible, anything else is probably beyond the scope of what I can really commit. As you mention it's a very open ended problem; potentially it would be something to do for jEnhSim.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Did you remember to add MW3-CL back into the rotation and to drop MW3-LB when using ToQE? Once ToQE is fixed it is the best option and should be on the BiS set no matter what the sim says. Why? Because not every encounter is a single target stand still fight and ToEW is an awful choice for those encounters since it precludes using chain lightning. If you want your BiS list to have relevancy to the conditions people are facing in the game and to be an aid to people interested in maximizing their performance then you have to take that into account.
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As for your argument relating to the instant BiS status of ToQE because it allows you to use CL, it sounds suspiciously like your argument that Cat's Swiftness is the instant BiS boots enchant because some encounters require you to run between targets; the similarity being that they are both based on innacurate assumptions (the TTT still needs to be updated on that btw). Let's break this down further:
We first need to ask whether or not CL is part of an optimal DPS rotation. At face value, this does not seem to be the case as MW3/4_CL sims lower than MW3_LB with both the enh and the ele totems. If the sim is accurate on this front and there are no unexplored talent/roation setups available, we can then say that CL holds no value for us on single target DPS encounters.
We then need to ask 'how many encounters does CL provide superior DPS for?' Since this is a BiS list for T9 content, it makes sense to limit ourselves to ToC for the purposes of answering this question; this is where a majority of people's raiding time will be spent for the moment. Having completed ToC last night, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that the only encounter that I would use CL on would be Anub'arak, where it is in fact extremely useful. To break it down further:
Beasts- Single target DPS the whole time
Jarraxus- Single target DPS the whole time (ranged kill adds)
Faction Champs- Single target DPS most of the time (there is little point in 'splash damaging' the non-DPS targets)
Twins- Single target DPS the whole time
Anub- Mass aoe.
Therefore, I think it would be fair to say that since the Ele totem provides superior DPS on 4/5 encounters, it is likely to be BiS.
The last step in this would be to calculate the total DPS gained by using the Ele totem throughout a full ToC run vs the DPS lost during Anub due to the fact that you are not deriving any benefit from your totem (you are still going to be casting CL, you just wont be getting any buffs from your totem whilst doing so). I honestly am not inclined to bother with this since all we need do is take into account the very obvious fact that I can of course own both of these totems, and can switch them out as needed. When we are up to Anub, or any other encounter where I am casting a lot of CL, I will simply switch totems.
So no, I do not agree that Quaking Earth is the BiS totem by any stretch as the sim results, the single target nature of most ToC encounters and the fact that I am able to switch totems as I please means that the Ele totem is, in my view, a better overall totem.
I welcome any evidence that demonstrates different findings. If you want your advice to have relevancy to the conditions people are facing in game and to be an aid to people interested in maximizing their performance then you have to able provide accurate evidence to support what you are saying.
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So you don't use chain lightning to hit snobalds if they are on people in melee range? Just one example but do what you will it is your thread after all. I just hate that people who are just getting involved in the TC side of the game will take what you post in that thread as gospel and end up hurting their play for it.
How is that Icewalker enchant working out for you on Heroic Ice Howl? I know that encounter is making me think about going back to Cat's Speed and I have Rocket Boots. As for the TTT when you get to be an editor then you can change the section about boot enchants to reflect your poor assumptions. You haven't proven your case to my satisfaction so it doesn't get into the TTT.
By the way, you have an error in your BiS config. You can't have both Mana Spring and Blessing of Wisdom since they won't stack and you might want to think about adding a charge to when the sim will refresh LS (it adds about 10dps even with the loss from the increased oom time).
How is that Icewalker enchant working out for you on Heroic Ice Howl? I know that encounter is making me think about going back to Cat's Speed and I have Rocket Boots. As for the TTT when you get to be an editor then you can change the section about boot enchants to reflect your poor assumptions. You haven't proven your case to my satisfaction so it doesn't get into the TTT.
By the way, you have an error in your BiS config. You can't have both Mana Spring and Blessing of Wisdom since they won't stack and you might want to think about adding a charge to when the sim will refresh LS (it adds about 10dps even with the loss from the increased oom time).
Last edited by Rouncer : 09/03/09 at 2:16 AM.
My purpose in discussing both Cat's AND this was to reject your assertion that both Cat's and the Enh totem are BiS because of the benefit they provide under certain conditions. I think I manged to prove (in both circumstances) that alternatives (Icewalker and Ele totem) are just as viable, if not more viable, than the alternatives. I was not saying that one is better than the other all the time; only that one is better than the other under certain conditions. In the case of Cat's, I make clear reference to this in my OP to give people the choice; I think it would be useful if the TTT did the same (not to mention that the TTT math is actually incorrect, particularly in it's summary statement).
And thank you for pointing out those errors in the BiS config. I'll fix them up in the next little while.
Edit: Decided to include a note on the OP of the BiS thread that highlights the value of the Enh totem when using CL. Will update soon.
And thank you for pointing out those errors in the BiS config. I'll fix them up in the next little while.
Edit: Decided to include a note on the OP of the BiS thread that highlights the value of the Enh totem when using CL. Will update soon.
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It's not just CL. Magma Totem doesn't gain anything from Haste, but it scales great with AP (-> SP), so that's another advantage of ToQE in situations with more then one mob. Also especially in some hardmode fights, you want to use your MW stack to heal sometimes.
The sim is an important tool, but we may not forget, that it only shows one simple situation. The fight against a single boss without interrupts, adds, movement, the need to heal and so on. The moment the fight diverges from this situation, our EP values and so BiS equip may change in reality. That is also the reason why I prefer to gem for crit, instead of haste. Because crit has additional benefits outside the "single boss"-environment, while the difference in the sim's result is rather small.
The sim is an important tool, but we may not forget, that it only shows one simple situation. The fight against a single boss without interrupts, adds, movement, the need to heal and so on. The moment the fight diverges from this situation, our EP values and so BiS equip may change in reality. That is also the reason why I prefer to gem for crit, instead of haste. Because crit has additional benefits outside the "single boss"-environment, while the difference in the sim's result is rather small.
Last edited by SentinelBorg : 09/04/09 at 4:23 AM.
I have been doing some testing to properly quantify the value of haste (as the sim historically has not been very reliable for this stat), and so far my largest discovery is that haste seems to be our best-scaling stat. At what threshold it becomes better than AP I do not know, but we may be experiencing it right now.
This may explain why ToEW sims better than ToQE for the BiS set, despite its much lower uptime.
This may explain why ToEW sims better than ToQE for the BiS set, despite its much lower uptime.
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Originally Posted by Falcon213
I have been doing some testing to properly quantify the value of haste (as the sim historically has not been very reliable for this stat), and so far my largest discovery is that haste seems to be our best-scaling stat. At what threshold it becomes better than AP I do not know, but we may be experiencing it right now.
This may explain why ToEW sims better than ToQE for the BiS set, despite its much lower uptime. |
It's like I posted somewhere earlier in this giant thread, it seemed like after reaching like 21-22% unbuffed haste, haste started to become the best stat to stack (in T8.5 equivalent gear, for purposes of other stat weights being regarded in this general percentile).
Perhaps though this only due to the way T8 4 piece is modeled. I'd do some more testing when I have the time.
Perhaps though this only due to the way T8 4 piece is modeled. I'd do some more testing when I have the time.
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
This is definitely the reason. With the best in slot gear setup in the other thread long term projections for haste were showing an EP of 2.85ish.
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I would be interested to see the results of further analysis on this.
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
This is definitely the reason. With the best in slot gear setup in the other thread long term projections for haste were showing an EP of 2.85ish.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I just loaded the BiS config and the only thing I changed is the EP values to better represent our actual current gemming situation.
Attack Power - 80
Crit Rating - 40
Hit Rating - 40
Expertise - 4*
Haste Rating - 40
Spell Power - 46
(* - increased value with new gems doesn't matter for these runs since Exp is worth 0 once over the cap)
Then I ran EP values for 20k hours with these results.
EnhSim version 1.8.3.3 Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 6.57486% (172.472 hit rating). Mh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.83441 expertise (31.4325 expertise ra ting). Oh expertise + EP range goes past cap by 3.83441 expertise (31.4325 expertise ra ting). EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 9400.99 ap 1.00 0.73 9459.73 58.74 crit rating 1.94 1.42 9457.82 56.83 hit rating 1.82 1.33 9454.35 53.36 expertise rating 0.13 0.10 9404.22 3.23 haste rating 1.83 1.34 9454.63 53.64 armor penetration rating 1.91 1.40 9456.97 55.98 spellpower 1.09 0.80 9437.94 36.95 mh dps 5.30 3.89 9430.16 29.17 oh dps 2.56 1.88 9415.11 14.12 strength 1.10 agility 1.76 intelligence 1.62 spirit 0.00 0.00 9401.17 0.18 mana 0.01 0.01 9403.18 2.19 mp5 0.15 0.11 9403.26 2.27 ( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.94, HitRating=1.82, HasteRating=1.83 , ExpertiseRating=0.13, ArmorPenetration=1.91, SpellDamage=1.09, MainHandDps=5.3 0, OffHandDps=2.56, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.76, Intellect=1.62, Spirit=0.00, Ma na=0.01, Mp5=0.15 ) http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.83&dps=5.30&mp5=0.15&mcr =1.94&odps=2.56&spd=1.09&Agi=1.76&mhit=1.82&Int=1.62&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.91& Exp=0.13 elapsed simulation time: 280000.00h elapsed real time: 709.46s simulation speed: 1420802x
EP calculations can easy be skewed by the values utilized so let's try looking at it another way. My current gear shows as generating 7624.43 dps. So what happens if I prioritize haste? Swapping all the yellow slots to 20 haste gems should noticeably increase my dps if haste has more value then the AP and Crit gems I currently use, results 7624.04
dps. Effectively no change whatsoever since there is a variation of at least a couple of dps inherent to the sim.
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
I suppose this aligns very closely with my anecdotal experience. Since achieving near BiS towards the end of Ulduar, I began to notice the relative value of BL I was achieving vs other classes. Essentially my DPS would increase significantly more than other classes when I was lusted, which had always made me suspect that haste scaled extremely well for us towards very high levels (40%+).
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There you go with your assumptions again Rouncer. I do not always have my dogs up when I lust/am lusted by another shaman. I am sure my fellow shaman will know the frustration of this all-to-common occurance. Even when my dogs are not out, I still notice that I seem to be deriving significantly more benefit from the haste than other classes.
Of course, I would be the first to admit that my anecdotal experience is not evidence of anything at all. Using a faster-ping service whilst playing with Australians could give me a competitive advantage that is enhanced by the lust, or there could be a million other causes or I could just be imagining things. That is what makes the word 'anecdotal' so great...
Of course, I would be the first to admit that my anecdotal experience is not evidence of anything at all. Using a faster-ping service whilst playing with Australians could give me a competitive advantage that is enhanced by the lust, or there could be a million other causes or I could just be imagining things. That is what makes the word 'anecdotal' so great...
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
There you go with your assumptions again Rouncer. I do not always have my dogs up when I lust/am lusted by another shaman. I am sure my fellow shaman will know the frustration of this all-to-common occurance. Even when my dogs are not out, I still notice that I seem to be deriving significantly more benefit from the haste than other classes.
Of course, I would be the first to admit that my anecdotal experience is not evidence of anything at all. Using a faster-ping service whilst playing with Australians could give me a competitive advantage that is enhanced by the lust, or there could be a million other causes or I could just be imagining things. That is what makes the word 'anecdotal' so great... |
I'm using Worldoflogs parses and I'm familiar with haste behavior on Enhsim. Other explanation would be that I need a good dose of "L2P" and can't benefit the haste like you can.
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
There you go with your assumptions again Rouncer. I do not always have my dogs up when I lust/am lusted by another shaman. I am sure my fellow shaman will know the frustration of this all-to-common occurance. Even when my dogs are not out, I still notice that I seem to be deriving significantly more benefit from the haste than other classes.
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2) In thinking through the benefits of haste, I'm surprised you see this behavior. In my experience during heroism, I'm often waiting on cooldowns to come back up. I know white damage is a significant part of our damage, but it's reasonably similar to ferals (which I also play), and I tend to get (even more) energy limited on my feral. The benefits I see are reduced GCD so we can get through all cooldowns easily, faster white swings lead to more MW procs, and increased attack speed from dogs. Am I missing something significant? Might this be RNG playing nice for you, and you just don't recall the "normal" times?
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Originally Posted by Vespasian
There you go with your assumptions again Rouncer. I do not always have my dogs up when I lust/am lusted by another shaman. I am sure my fellow shaman will know the frustration of this all-to-common occurance. Even when my dogs are not out, I still notice that I seem to be deriving significantly more benefit from the haste than other classes.
Of course, I would be the first to admit that my anecdotal experience is not evidence of anything at all. Using a faster-ping service whilst playing with Australians could give me a competitive advantage that is enhanced by the lust, or there could be a million other causes or I could just be imagining things. That is what makes the word 'anecdotal' so great... |
I'm having issues with the precision/accuracy or what-have-you of the sim. I know this came up a few pages back, but I'm finding that whenever I sim the same setup, I see a difference of like 400 dps, which seems unreasonably large. I am simming 10000h but it doesn't seem to help. For instance, sometimes I sim the same setup and get 7600 dps, and other times i get 7200, give or take. The difference is big enough that it's really cutting into the usefulness of the sim for me, as I can't trust EP calculations and comparing talent changes and glyph changes becomes very unreliable, or at the very least tedious (the lower end, 7200 dps, seems to be incorrect, but in order to find when a gear change or talent change benefits me, I have to run the sim multiple times until it is simming the high end instead of the -400 end.. and even then I don't think I can trust to differences of like 10-20 dps increase). I did not have this problem when I used the sim until 3.2 or so (and I am using 1.8.3.3). Any advice?
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Make sure the GUI is pointing to the correct exe file*. Beyond that I have no idea why you would be seeing such variation when running the same configurations.
Just ran 2x10k hour sim runs showing 7640.12 and then 7640.63 so I think it is something at your end and not an problem intrinsic to the sim.
*the path in the GUI will stay on the previous version even when opened from the new folder so make sure to update the path when you upgrade the sim. You can also check the top line of your output to make sure it is using the correct version.
Just ran 2x10k hour sim runs showing 7640.12 and then 7640.63 so I think it is something at your end and not an problem intrinsic to the sim.
*the path in the GUI will stay on the previous version even when opened from the new folder so make sure to update the path when you upgrade the sim. You can also check the top line of your output to make sure it is using the correct version.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
So you don't use chain lightning to hit snobalds if they are on people in melee range? Just one example but do what you will it is your thread after all. I just hate that people who are just getting involved in the TC side of the game will take what you post in that thread as gospel and end up hurting their play for it.
How is that Icewalker enchant working out for you on Heroic Ice Howl? I know that encounter is making me think about going back to Cat's Speed and I have Rocket Boots. As for the TTT when you get to be an editor then you can change the section about boot enchants to reflect your poor assumptions. You haven't proven your case to my satisfaction so it doesn't get into the TTT. By the way, you have an error in your BiS config. You can't have both Mana Spring and Blessing of Wisdom since they won't stack and you might want to think about adding a charge to when the sim will refresh LS (it adds about 10dps even with the loss from the increased oom time). |
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Originally Posted by Zensai
Everytime I've used CL they never jump far enough to hit the snobalds. You don't need a speed boot enchant for H: Icehowl, but it does help. I've ended up switching to it because my server seems to be getting laggier.
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As for runspeed, I switched to my runspeed pair last night over my rocket boots to help with the charge but also for another reason. Both the worms and Icehowl have knockbacks. Icehowl's can be ranged by being right on the edge of melee range but the worms can't and there is probably 5-6 seconds of movement for each knockback. Based on the math we have if you can output 7500 dps in a perfect situation (ie the sim) then if there is 10 seconds of movement in a 5 minute encounter runspeed is a better option then Icewalker or any other enchant. With Icehowl getting stunned and increasing that dps number significantly, along with all the knockbacks, it makes it so that runspeed is more valuable then anything else even if you can get out of range of his charges without it.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Make sure the GUI is pointing to the correct exe file*. Beyond that I have no idea why you would be seeing such variation when running the same configurations.
Just ran 2x10k hour sim runs showing 7640.12 and then 7640.63 so I think it is something at your end and not an problem intrinsic to the sim. *the path in the GUI will stay on the previous version even when opened from the new folder so make sure to update the path when you upgrade the sim. You can also check the top line of your output to make sure it is using the correct version. |
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Originally Posted by Sansa
Definitely pointing to the correct *exe. I have noticed that the path will stay on the previous version even when the previous folder has been deleted. I'm not sure what's going on either, then.. it's very frustrating, because literally I'm running "simulate" with the exact same setup, not changing a thing, and getting numbers like 7213 and then the next one 7545.
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WF really that sensitive to weapon speed?
I was lucky enough (or so I thought) to get a [Hellscream Slicer] which I thought would replace my [Golden Saronite Dragon]. When I ran EhnSim to be sure it turned out to be less DPS by around 100 DPS (I can post my results directly from EhnSim but I didn't think it was necessary).
I got similar results for placing it in the OH (my current OH is [Caress of Insanity]) which didn't suprise me since FT depends so heavily on weapon speed. I wasn't expecting it to be a DPS drop in the MH slot though because while I know weapon speed affects WF because of the 3 sec CD I didn't think going from a 2.7 speed to a 2.6 speed would outweigh the increase in weapon damage from the axe.
Has anyone else been in the same situation and gotten the same results I did? And if WF is indeed that sensitive to 0.1 increase in weapon speed should I not expect to replace my MH or OH with anything but the item level 258 version of [Hellscream Slicer]?
I got similar results for placing it in the OH (my current OH is [Caress of Insanity]) which didn't suprise me since FT depends so heavily on weapon speed. I wasn't expecting it to be a DPS drop in the MH slot though because while I know weapon speed affects WF because of the 3 sec CD I didn't think going from a 2.7 speed to a 2.6 speed would outweigh the increase in weapon damage from the axe.
Has anyone else been in the same situation and gotten the same results I did? And if WF is indeed that sensitive to 0.1 increase in weapon speed should I not expect to replace my MH or OH with anything but the item level 258 version of [Hellscream Slicer]?
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Originally Posted by Brynmor
I was lucky enough (or so I thought) to get a [Hellscream Slicer] which I thought would replace my [Golden Saronite Dragon]. When I ran EhnSim to be sure it turned out to be less DPS by around 100 DPS (I can post my results directly from EhnSim but I didn't think it was necessary).
I got similar results for placing it in the OH (my current OH is [Caress of Insanity]) which didn't suprise me since FT depends so heavily on weapon speed. I wasn't expecting it to be a DPS drop in the MH slot though because while I know weapon speed affects WF because of the 3 sec CD I didn't think going from a 2.7 speed to a 2.6 speed would outweigh the increase in weapon damage from the axe. Has anyone else been in the same situation and gotten the same results I did? And if WF is indeed that sensitive to 0.1 increase in weapon speed should I not expect to replace my MH or OH with anything but the item level 258 version of [Hellscream Slicer]? |
example of super-inflated haste value
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Originally Posted by Brynmor
I was lucky enough (or so I thought) to get a [Hellscream Slicer] which I thought would replace my [Golden Saronite Dragon]. When I ran EhnSim to be sure it turned out to be less DPS by around 100 DPS (I can post my results directly from EhnSim but I didn't think it was necessary).
I got similar results for placing it in the OH (my current OH is [Caress of Insanity]) which didn't suprise me since FT depends so heavily on weapon speed. I wasn't expecting it to be a DPS drop in the MH slot though because while I know weapon speed affects WF because of the 3 sec CD I didn't think going from a 2.7 speed to a 2.6 speed would outweigh the increase in weapon damage from the axe. Has anyone else been in the same situation and gotten the same results I did? And if WF is indeed that sensitive to 0.1 increase in weapon speed should I not expect to replace my MH or OH with anything but the item level 258 version of [Hellscream Slicer]? |
Even doing this GSD is still about 10 DPS better for me.
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
It's because when you use the GSD and CoI your weapon speeds are synced. In the sim this allows two hits to only eat one flurry charge when they sync up. This was fixed in a game a while ago but the bug persists in the sim. Your best bet is to knock the speed of one weapon down by .01 and re-sim.
Even doing this GSD is still about 10 DPS better for me. |
I can't find an option in enhsim to sync potion of speed with heroism (like it does for trinkets) to test out when is the best time to use it on dps burn phases. I have been using during heroism but wanted to test.
Small problem I am having, which is probably my own fault, but I am no longer getting a Lootrank.com address after simming ep values, it reads 'Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt.' anyone have a solution to this?
It could be file permissions. At least once I've downloaded an EnhSim archive (zip file) which has read-only permissions on that file (and possibly others).
Patch.3.2.2 Flameshock, changes for enhancement rotation?
Flame Shock: The duration of all ranks has been increased by 6 seconds
Glyph of Flame Shock: Redesigned. This glyph now makes Flame Shock periodic damage able to be critical strikes.
I'd say that the enhancement rotation will include flameshock after this 50% dmg buff per use, every three shocks. It would be very interesting to play with this in the enhsim, I'd be pleased if you could add this soon.
It's speculative, but perhaps the new flameshock glyph could be worth it for enhancement shamans too. The 4-piece t9-setboni could be even better with it, reverbation would probably fall behind improved shields (18 sec flameshock duration), and if the glyph is better then the wf/ls glyph, perhaps krit (and ap) become better stats again?
Glyph of Flame Shock: Redesigned. This glyph now makes Flame Shock periodic damage able to be critical strikes.
I'd say that the enhancement rotation will include flameshock after this 50% dmg buff per use, every three shocks. It would be very interesting to play with this in the enhsim, I'd be pleased if you could add this soon.
It's speculative, but perhaps the new flameshock glyph could be worth it for enhancement shamans too. The 4-piece t9-setboni could be even better with it, reverbation would probably fall behind improved shields (18 sec flameshock duration), and if the glyph is better then the wf/ls glyph, perhaps krit (and ap) become better stats again?
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Originally Posted by Ehanoro
Small problem I am having, which is probably my own fault, but I am no longer getting a Lootrank.com address after simming ep values, it reads 'Could not open enhsim_ep_exports.txt.' anyone have a solution to this?
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you can either copy it from a previuos release into your current one.
However unless i've missed an update then it's included in the current release - i'm using 1.8.3.3
What is the correct forum to list a problem I am having with Enhsim accessing the online database, I'm getting an "unterminated string constant" error".
The main website (enhsim.wikidot.com) seems to have a legacy of unanswered querys dating back to April/May - was wondering if this site still valid?
The main website (enhsim.wikidot.com) seems to have a legacy of unanswered querys dating back to April/May - was wondering if this site still valid?
First time poster... I'm going to take a stab at Saabu's question here... I'm not sure this is really the correct place for the question, but if my answer is accurate, that's probably the reason why the Potion of Speed option described isn't implemented in EnhSim.
I've been operating under the assumption that it really doesn't matter when you use a Potion of Speed. No matter what your current haste level is, 500 extra haste rating will always net the same amount of extra weapon swings.
Here's some math copied and pasted from my guild's forum... Some of it may seem out of context since it's pulled from a larger post about haste and its effects.
THE MATH
For this explanation, I will introduce a new metric: "Extra Swings per Minute," denoted ESM. It is equal to 60((1/WSf)-(1/WSi)) and can be interpreted as the amount of extra white melee attack you will receive per minute when going from WSi (Initial Weapon Speed) to WSf (Final Weapon Speed).
On the surface, Haste seems very bland and predictable. This is not the case. It also seems intuitive to say "10% Haste will reduce my swing speed by 10%." This is also not true for all values. Here is a quick example:
Assume 2.60 Weapon Speed. Ten percent of 2.60 is 0.260. So, does 10% Haste drop the swing speed to 2.60-0.26 = 2.34? Nope. Using the haste equation: 2.6/(1+0.1) = 2.364, a reduction of 0.236, not 0.260.
Ok, so now for the linear claim.
Assume again we are working with a 2.60 speed weapon. As shown above, 10% haste reduces the swing speed by 0.236 seconds.
Now assume we have 20% haste, rather than 10%. Swing speed is brought to 2.167, a reduction of 0.433. So, using 10%, for each 1% haste we reduced our swing speed by 0.236/10 = .0236. At 20% haste, for each 1% we reduced our swing speed by 0.433/20 = .0216.
As you can see, it seems that the haste at the 10% level has given us .0236-.0216 = .002 more benefit for each 1%. As you can imagine, even with these small numbers, the gap gets larger for larger values of haste.
So, were the first 10% actually "better" than the next 10%? No.
Applying the ESM treatment, we see that:
10% Level
ESM = 60((1/2.364)-(1/2.60))
ESM@10 = 4.2857
20% Level
ESM = 60((1/2.167)-(1/2.60))
ESM@20 = 8.5714
So, we normalize both:
(ESM@10)/10 = 0.42857
(ESM@20)/20 = 0.42857
At both the 10% Haste level and the 20% Haste level, each % of Haste yields the same amount of extra swings per minute.
So, even though we saw a smaller reduction in swing speed at the 20% level than at the 10% level, which suggest haste gets "worse" as you get more, we can see that is not the case. Haste will always yield the same amount of extra swings per minute, regardless of how much you have.
Ok, so if the above math is correct (which I think it is), an extra 500 haste rating will cause you to gain the same amount of white melee swings inside and outside of the effects of Heroism/Bloodlust. If you have some other "on use" types of things that would add value to white melee attacks, such as AP or ArP trinkets that you use during Heroism/Bloodlust, the Potion of Speed would be better to use when those other effects are active.
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Originally Posted by Saabu
I can't find an option in enhsim to sync potion of speed with heroism (like it does for trinkets) to test out when is the best time to use it on dps burn phases. I have been using during heroism but wanted to test.
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I've been operating under the assumption that it really doesn't matter when you use a Potion of Speed. No matter what your current haste level is, 500 extra haste rating will always net the same amount of extra weapon swings.
Here's some math copied and pasted from my guild's forum... Some of it may seem out of context since it's pulled from a larger post about haste and its effects.
THE MATH
For this explanation, I will introduce a new metric: "Extra Swings per Minute," denoted ESM. It is equal to 60((1/WSf)-(1/WSi)) and can be interpreted as the amount of extra white melee attack you will receive per minute when going from WSi (Initial Weapon Speed) to WSf (Final Weapon Speed).
On the surface, Haste seems very bland and predictable. This is not the case. It also seems intuitive to say "10% Haste will reduce my swing speed by 10%." This is also not true for all values. Here is a quick example:
Assume 2.60 Weapon Speed. Ten percent of 2.60 is 0.260. So, does 10% Haste drop the swing speed to 2.60-0.26 = 2.34? Nope. Using the haste equation: 2.6/(1+0.1) = 2.364, a reduction of 0.236, not 0.260.
Ok, so now for the linear claim.
Assume again we are working with a 2.60 speed weapon. As shown above, 10% haste reduces the swing speed by 0.236 seconds.
Now assume we have 20% haste, rather than 10%. Swing speed is brought to 2.167, a reduction of 0.433. So, using 10%, for each 1% haste we reduced our swing speed by 0.236/10 = .0236. At 20% haste, for each 1% we reduced our swing speed by 0.433/20 = .0216.
As you can see, it seems that the haste at the 10% level has given us .0236-.0216 = .002 more benefit for each 1%. As you can imagine, even with these small numbers, the gap gets larger for larger values of haste.
So, were the first 10% actually "better" than the next 10%? No.
Applying the ESM treatment, we see that:
10% Level
ESM = 60((1/2.364)-(1/2.60))
ESM@10 = 4.2857
20% Level
ESM = 60((1/2.167)-(1/2.60))
ESM@20 = 8.5714
So, we normalize both:
(ESM@10)/10 = 0.42857
(ESM@20)/20 = 0.42857
At both the 10% Haste level and the 20% Haste level, each % of Haste yields the same amount of extra swings per minute.
So, even though we saw a smaller reduction in swing speed at the 20% level than at the 10% level, which suggest haste gets "worse" as you get more, we can see that is not the case. Haste will always yield the same amount of extra swings per minute, regardless of how much you have.
Ok, so if the above math is correct (which I think it is), an extra 500 haste rating will cause you to gain the same amount of white melee swings inside and outside of the effects of Heroism/Bloodlust. If you have some other "on use" types of things that would add value to white melee attacks, such as AP or ArP trinkets that you use during Heroism/Bloodlust, the Potion of Speed would be better to use when those other effects are active.
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Originally Posted by Puza
What is the correct forum to list a problem I am having with Enhsim accessing the online database, I'm getting an "unterminated string constant" error".
The main website (enhsim.wikidot.com) seems to have a legacy of unanswered querys dating back to April/May - was wondering if this site still valid? |
Tukez is also AWOL.
Try here.
EnhSim - Issue Tracker
For Mac users, Sekhem of Feathermoon has written a Cocoa version of the EnhSim GUI. Available from ienhsim - Project Hosting on Google Code. You can leave comments at the original thread on the shaman forums.
At least it'll tide you over until jEnhSim arrives...
At least it'll tide you over until jEnhSim arrives...
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Originally Posted by Puza
What is the correct forum to list a problem I am having with Enhsim accessing the online database, I'm getting an "unterminated string constant" error".
The main website (enhsim.wikidot.com) seems to have a legacy of unanswered querys dating back to April/May - was wondering if this site still valid? |
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Originally Posted by Totentanz
any info for OSX users? ienhsim (the Cocoa GUI) is still the 3.1 version (should be the same engine of EnhSim 1.7.x)
and the latest EnhSim release doesn't include OSX command line anymore. I tried to dwonload the latest repository revision, but the included executable seems to be out of date, it outputs:  Totem totem_of_electrifying_wind not found. EnhSim version 1.7.0.3 by Verges: xxxxxxx@gmail.com |
BTW all I'm back and will be continuing to play WoW and participate in these and other forums. I've updated ShockAndAwe & Rawr since my return too.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Did you remember to add MW3-CL back into the rotation and to drop MW3-LB when using ToQE? Once ToQE is fixed it is the best option and should be on the BiS set no matter what the sim says. Why? Because not every encounter is a single target stand still fight and ToEW is an awful choice for those encounters since it precludes using chain lightning. If you want your BiS list to have relevancy to the conditions people are facing in the game and to be an aid to people interested in maximizing their performance then you have to take that into account.
Sylvand, would changing the combat time setting to a variable range help to fix some of that haste weirdness? So that each combat session would have a random amount of time in combat based on a range set in the config? It would function similar to latency in the config/GUI and would add another element of realism into the sim's functionality. Couple of other things I've been thinking about on the realism front would be percentage of time in melee range and a multiple target option. Not sure how to determine a percentage of time in melee range without someone coding a mod that would track the percentage of time in melee range per combat period but the multiple target option shouldn't be too hard to incorporate. |
At present we can control Boss AC, resistances, miss, dodge rates etc. What it would be useful to add is things like percentage time behind boss, percentage movement time, percentage inactive time (stuns, silences etc). This would allow the sim to be more dynamic and account for the more "normal" boss encounters.
Even if we don't go for a full scale "select a boss" design. Adding percent time behind boss, percentage time moving, and percentage inactive time, would significantly improve the sim.
NB. percentage time moving would allow testing of boot speed enchant effectiveness.
[e] Hmm no-one made a post between my last post and this one. Hopefully common sense prevails and the five hour gap between posts is seen as reasonable and no infraction is required. Given that this post is entirely unrelated to the prior post and another edit of the last post to add a separate quote block would risk an infraction for too many quote blocks
Levva I've been thinking about the percentage of time on target and how to integrate it into the Sim and I think the first thing would be to code a mod to actually gather that information. Which may not be that hard to do for something like a boss fight where the aggro pulse stays constant so there is no leaving of combat.
If we had a mod that used something like the rangedisplay library's to track the time in melee range then we would have a real value to use inside the sim.
(in case I'm not being obvious enough, would you mind trying to code something like that for people to use?)
If we had a mod that used something like the rangedisplay library's to track the time in melee range then we would have a real value to use inside the sim.
(in case I'm not being obvious enough, would you mind trying to code something like that for people to use?)
If boss-specific issues like amount of time spent attacking from behind, in movement, stunned, casting hex or wind shear*, or other non-dps time are considered, what about other boss-specific issues? Most encounters provide buffs or debuffs that radically affect damage. The sim as currently implemented works well in part because it ignores all of these factors. A sim or model that includes settings for every factor involved in every current-tier boss fight would certainly be an upgrade, but that seems like significant added work.
As a side note, even the best sim can't account for some factors. If a run speed enchant helps me run out of a damaging effect faster, it's valuable for reasons aside from increasing dps time.
* I know wind shear isn't on gcd or shock cd, but it takes personal reaction time to incorporate.
As a side note, even the best sim can't account for some factors. If a run speed enchant helps me run out of a damaging effect faster, it's valuable for reasons aside from increasing dps time.
* I know wind shear isn't on gcd or shock cd, but it takes personal reaction time to incorporate.
The idea is to optimize your available gear for the encounter. For enhancement it would be things like using more AP and Crit for fights where there isn't a lot of time on target to maximize the damage output when you are in melee range versus selecting for more haste when the fight just revolves around standing still and straight dpsing.
Then there are fights like Auriaya (if that had been a difficult encounter) where you are in front of the boss being parried the whole time. If the sim could be set up to evaluate that set of conditions and give EP/optimized gear based on it you might end up using say a banked item with more expertise if it would end up increasing your performance for that specific encounter. It wasn't really a hard encounter so it wasn't worth the effort but if say Algalon utilized a similar mechanic so parries needed to be taken into account, with it being a dps race on many levels, it might have been worth optimizing your set for that specific encounter to that degree.
Then there are fights like Auriaya (if that had been a difficult encounter) where you are in front of the boss being parried the whole time. If the sim could be set up to evaluate that set of conditions and give EP/optimized gear based on it you might end up using say a banked item with more expertise if it would end up increasing your performance for that specific encounter. It wasn't really a hard encounter so it wasn't worth the effort but if say Algalon utilized a similar mechanic so parries needed to be taken into account, with it being a dps race on many levels, it might have been worth optimizing your set for that specific encounter to that degree.
Sim not updating properly?
So I've been trying to update my simulator so that I can sim using the new coliseum totems and set bonus. Downloaded the latest version (v1.8.3.3) from the proper site. Extracted to a folder and when I open it up it doesn't have the options to select the new totems/set bonuses. Looking at the sample config file I see that those are supposed to be options but I can't for the life of me figure out why its not showing. Even loading the sample config it doesn't want to show the new stuff.
This is probably something stupid I can't figure out but until then I can't sim anything properly. Someone please help!
This is probably something stupid I can't figure out but until then I can't sim anything properly. Someone please help!
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Originally Posted by EvilGopher
So I've been trying to update my simulator so that I can sim using the new coliseum totems and set bonus. Downloaded the latest version (v1.8.3.3) from the proper site. Extracted to a folder and when I open it up it doesn't have the options to select the new totems/set bonuses. Looking at the sample config file I see that those are supposed to be options but I can't for the life of me figure out why its not showing. Even loading the sample config it doesn't want to show the new stuff.
This is probably something stupid I can't figure out but until then I can't sim anything properly. Someone please help! |
Did some testing to make sure the tier 9 four piece bonus was working and noticed that [Death's Verdict] proced Paragon from Flame Shock DoT tics. Took a quick glance over the EnhSim code for the trinket and it may not be set up to proc from the periodic damage. It is listed as MeleeDamage and SpellDirectDamage. I'm unsure if SpellDirectDamage includes DoT tics or not within the sim.
Ultimately I don't see this being a huge fluctuation in dps within the sim, but you may want to double check the implementation of the trinket for accuracy's sake.
Ultimately I don't see this being a huge fluctuation in dps within the sim, but you may want to double check the implementation of the trinket for accuracy's sake.
Shouldn't be surprising. The tooltip says "when you deal damage", which includes all spells.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Levva I've been thinking about the percentage of time on target and how to integrate it into the Sim and I think the first thing would be to code a mod to actually gather that information. Which may not be that hard to do for something like a boss fight where the aggro pulse stays constant so there is no leaving of combat.
If we had a mod that used something like the rangedisplay library's to track the time in melee range then we would have a real value to use inside the sim. (in case I'm not being obvious enough, would you mind trying to code something like that for people to use?) |
A more advanced option would be for me to finally implement the stats frame, to show average & max AP, SP, crit, etc (stats) as well as average & max damage for each abilty (SS, LL, WF, LB etc). Adding in melee range% to this as well as behind boss% would be useful.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Can you clarify what the "rangedisplay library's" is I cannot see a function to tell your range from a mob. If I can test out some of these things I could add some stats to ShockAndAwe debug output. ie: user could turn on stats test, and it would output results on exit from combat.
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This is the mod I was talking about RangeDisplay - Addons - Curse
It works by checking spells and abilities to see if you are in range for them to be used and then gives you an estimate of the range to the target. Since melee range is defined under those conditions - Attack button reds out when you are outside of melee range - I was thinking that could somehow be used to determine the percentage of time in melee range while in combat.
This is the specific Library that mod uses, LibRangeCheck-2.0 - WoW AddOns - WowAce.com
It works by checking spells and abilities to see if you are in range for them to be used and then gives you an estimate of the range to the target. Since melee range is defined under those conditions - Attack button reds out when you are outside of melee range - I was thinking that could somehow be used to determine the percentage of time in melee range while in combat.
This is the specific Library that mod uses, LibRangeCheck-2.0 - WoW AddOns - WowAce.com
I've looked and its simpler than that the Blizzard API has a call
So I can simply use
to see if you are in melee range. How frequently to check is typically the issue, as the more frequently checked the more accurate but the more you could possibly add lag if its more than once every 100ms. I'm also thinking that we need only calculate for in range of WorldBossOnly targets. ie: if you are on an add it doesn't count? Or should it be in melee range of your current target whatever that is (presumably as long as current target is hostile).
Any other conditions that would need to be satisfied?
[E] V4.50 of ShockAndAwe now out with lots of new features.
IsSpellInRange("spellname", "unit")
IsSpellInRange("Stormstrike", "target")
Any other conditions that would need to be satisfied?
[E] V4.50 of ShockAndAwe now out with lots of new features.
Not being an alchemist I've never needed the info. However someone asked me today if EnhSim supports the buff to flasks that alchemists get and if so how do you tell the sim you have that buff?
If this isn't supported can we add it please.
If this isn't supported can we add it please.
While I was an alchemist, I just added the extra AP under the raid AP buff. It was kinda of annoying, but you really only had to do it once. It would be nice for new users to have a little more easily accessible option for that.
Edit:
delete please.
delete please.
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Originally Posted by Watipah
Flame Shock: The duration of all ranks has been increased by 6 seconds
Glyph of Flame Shock: Redesigned. This glyph now makes Flame Shock periodic damage able to be critical strikes. I'd say that the enhancement rotation will include flameshock after this 50% dmg buff per use, every three shocks. It would be very interesting to play with this in the enhsim, I'd be pleased if you could add this soon. It's speculative, but perhaps the new flameshock glyph could be worth it for enhancement shamans too. The 4-piece t9-setboni could be even better with it, reverbation would probably fall behind improved shields (18 sec flameshock duration), and if the glyph is better then the wf/ls glyph, perhaps krit (and ap) become better stats again? |
Lvl80 TDummy, no buffs other than FT on offhand, 4t9, SS up for ES numbers.
AVG ES hit: 2520
FS hit: 1107 + 394 dotx4. 2683 total
25% unbuffed spell crit chance brings these to
ES: 3150
FS: 1384 + 394x4 = 2960
In 3.2.2 this would be
ES: 3150
FS: 1384 + 394x6 = 3748
And adding FS glyph
ES: 3150
FS: 1384 + 2955 = 4339
This should go further in favor of FS in a raid as ticks get full SP coefficient.
What I'm not able to calculate is FS glyph dps in comparison to WF/Feral Spirit and how much Reverberation hurts a FS rotation.
EDIT:
Just noticed there's a better calc in the 3.2 changes thread, sorry
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Originally Posted by SentinelBorg
Great to hear that. About the cooldown, it would probably be a good addition for Shock and Awe, to add a "Lava Lash when no Totem Buff is up"-Priority item.
For example, you usually have MW_5 -> ES_SS -> SS -> ES -> LL. Now we could enhance that to MW_5 -> ES_SS -> SS -> LL_noBuffUp -> ES -> LL. Of course we would also need the same thing in the Sim, to test whether it is an dps increase at all. |
It would be useful however to have testing of this added priority to see if it makes a noticeable difference and where in the priority list it should be.
Whilst I'm posting I'll ask the question about the extended time on Flame Shock, I may have missed it whilst I was on holiday but does FS dot now crit as well or is that Elemental Shaman only? Has anyone tested whether adding FS into priority helps at all given its longer uptime. If so where should it go. I'd imagine somewhere around ES at present perhaps 1 step above ES, ie: FS if debuff run out (or almost run out?), next ES.
That would suggest...
MW5_LB, ES_SS, SS, FS, ES, LL, MT, totems or possibly
MW5_LB, LL_QE, ES_SS, SS, FS, ES, LL, MT, totems if we include LL_QE? Guessing based on LL_QE giving 80% chance of 400 AP and 120 SP more = boost to SS, ES, FS, and MT.
Can someone sanity check the CD times too please ie: if I'm adding the test to ShockAndAwe it should be LL if < X seconds on Volcanic Fury buff. I'm taking this to be 6 seconds, ie: refresh buff if it will run out before LL off cooldown, Similarly what would be the FS one refresh buff if < X seconds left on it. This is trickier as refreshing loses tics thus loses damage.
Flame shock has had its duration increased by 6 seconds, and it can be glyphed to be able to crit. It would be interesting to see how that would stack up, especially with t9 4-piece, and possibly swapping that glyph for the WF glyph.
FS beats ES-SS provided you are getting the full duration of the debuff (only refreshing FS with 1 tick or less remaining). Early indications are that the FS glyph will beat WF and LS for the third glyph slot but until the Sim gets updated it's still mostly conjecture.
Delete - Rouncer beat me.
Oh and we should also ensure the sim supports the Blessing of Sanctuary change...
This could give another AP boost to Enhancement, not a huge one but hey it makes the odd strength ring more bearable. Its not clear but does it stack with Blessing of Kings? Anyone tested it? I've not been on the PTR for this patch due to holidays.
| Blessing of Sanctuary: This blessing now grants 10% strength in addition to its current effects. Also, the strength and stamina bonuses from this blessing will no longer be lost when Blessing of Kings is removed. |
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Originally Posted by Levva
Oh and we should also ensure the sim supports the Blessing of Sanctuary change...
This could give another AP boost to Enhancement, not a huge one but hey it makes the odd strength ring more bearable. Its not clear but does it stack with Blessing of Kings? Anyone tested it? I've not been on the PTR for this patch due to holidays. |
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
They don't stack. Kings gives 10% all stats. Sancturary gives 10% stam and strength, 3% less damage and mana when you block or parry. But the stam and str parts don't stack. The notes are referencing a bug where if you had both Sanct and Kings and Kings was removed you would lose the portion that overlapped between them.
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As expected really.Ok folks in preparation for 3.2.2 which seems to be updating NOW on US servers I've trawlled the last few pages of threads and tried to post every possible outstanding 3.2.2 issue with EnhSim. Can users have a look and see if I've missed anything or add new comments/tickets for things that are missed.
The list is at EnhSim - Issue Tracker
I'm not sure how Sylvand works but if he is anything like me he'll appreciate having a simple list all in one place of things to tick off as he implements them. Better still being on the codeplex site as the issue tracker there can integrate directly into the IDE (depending on what he's using of course) so he can manage the issues and the code all in the one application. This should be dramatically less work than trawling the forums trying to identify all the issues raised.
Please however keep those issue tracker threads clean to minimise confusion. The additional nice things about the issue tracker threads is they can be hidden when marked as completed/closed.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Not being an alchemist I've never needed the info. However someone asked me today if EnhSim supports the buff to flasks that alchemists get and if so how do you tell the sim you have that buff?
If this isn't supported can we add it please. |
With the new [Flask of the North] from a few patches ago, Alchemists can just use that item, and sim w/ the buff on. FotN takes care of the flask benefit that alchemists get. It used to be a pain to sim, but not anymore.
[e] Also regarding FS and SAA, I was thinking a more transparent bar behind the normal shock timer representing the dot duration would be a good solution visually.
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Originally Posted by Cochice
With the new [Flask of the North] from a few patches ago, Alchemists can just use that item, and sim w/ the buff on. FotN takes care of the flask benefit that alchemists get. It used to be a pain to sim, but not anymore.
[e] Also regarding FS and SAA, I was thinking a more transparent bar behind the normal shock timer representing the dot duration would be a good solution visually. |
Re: FS dot bar. I can look at how best to add this an outline bar behind the shock may well work, not sure. I'll play around with it and see what looks ok. Thanks for the suggestion.
Raging Deathbringer
Ony dropped the Raging Deathbringer tonight in 25 man and I won it and have been testing it a bit. As of yet the item doesn't exist on Wowhead, when it does I'll edit this post to include the link but for now Raging Deathbringer is the 245 version of [Empowered Deathbringer]. Raging Deathbringer's proc deals between 1458 and 1874 shadow damage and has a 196.5 DPS.
I did a short 1000 white swing test to attempt to determine the proc rate. I would've done a longer one but was pressed for time and had to stop at 1000. I'll do a much longer test when I can. From 1000 swings I had 46 procs. I was taking somewhat of a moving average as well so I would put the proc rate at 5% for now. It does not seem to have any ICD or if it does it's inconsquential (1.5 seconds or less) as several times I observed two back to back procs on white swings. It does proc off of Stormstrike and Lava Lash. I was unable to determine if it procs off of Windfury as I couldn't determine a more accurate method to test it other than just trying to watch for a weapon proc that seemed to occur from a WF. I don't have any knowledge of manipulating combat logs or parses to see if the proc did indeed come from a WF proc, if anyone has a suggestion of how I would determine that please tell me (and remember, I don't have much experience with logs, etc). However I would think it safe to assume that because it can proc from Stormstrike and Lava Lash it should be able to proc from Windfury.
The proc can crit and its crit percentage is derived from your spell crit. The proc is not affected by Elemental Fury so critical damage is only 150%. The proc does not scale with spellpower. I have yet to test whether it is affected by CoE or similar debuffs as I haven't been able to convince a lock to sit and keep CoE on the targeting dummy for me until I get a proc above 1874 damage. That's all I have to report for now. I'll post again if a longer swing test gives any contradicting results.
I did a short 1000 white swing test to attempt to determine the proc rate. I would've done a longer one but was pressed for time and had to stop at 1000. I'll do a much longer test when I can. From 1000 swings I had 46 procs. I was taking somewhat of a moving average as well so I would put the proc rate at 5% for now. It does not seem to have any ICD or if it does it's inconsquential (1.5 seconds or less) as several times I observed two back to back procs on white swings. It does proc off of Stormstrike and Lava Lash. I was unable to determine if it procs off of Windfury as I couldn't determine a more accurate method to test it other than just trying to watch for a weapon proc that seemed to occur from a WF. I don't have any knowledge of manipulating combat logs or parses to see if the proc did indeed come from a WF proc, if anyone has a suggestion of how I would determine that please tell me (and remember, I don't have much experience with logs, etc). However I would think it safe to assume that because it can proc from Stormstrike and Lava Lash it should be able to proc from Windfury.
The proc can crit and its crit percentage is derived from your spell crit. The proc is not affected by Elemental Fury so critical damage is only 150%. The proc does not scale with spellpower. I have yet to test whether it is affected by CoE or similar debuffs as I haven't been able to convince a lock to sit and keep CoE on the targeting dummy for me until I get a proc above 1874 damage. That's all I have to report for now. I'll post again if a longer swing test gives any contradicting results.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Sorry why is an completely non-intuitive using Flask of the North setting to mimic Mixology a good idea. Surely far far better that Mixology is specifically added to the config rather than having to use work arounds. That simply makes the sim very user unfriendly and difficult for newer users to use.
Re: FS dot bar. I can look at how best to add this an outline bar behind the shock may well work, not sure. I'll play around with it and see what looks ok. Thanks for the suggestion. |
Re: FlaS; I raided tonight w/ Flame Shock glyph, and using it in my rotation. I will say that having a tracker for the dot in SAA would be very useful. As it is, I'll probably enable DoTimer for my shaman, though having it in a single frame would be handy. We lost our logs from tonight, so I can't see how FS did on all the fights, but just from anecdotal evidence looking at recount etc, it seemed to be viable enough.
edit: nevermind i made a mistake
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I must be doing something wrong here. After filling in my stats in EnhSim, putting the simulation time to 10000 hours and running the simulator, my dps appears to be 1440. Not very impressive.
My config file looks like the following:
I also have a question regarding the 'EP' tab within the GUI. I have looked through this topic and both the EnhSim websites, however I am still unsure what values to put here, or how to determine them. I've ran EP tests using the default values for now, but I have no idea if that's the way to go. Some clarification on this would be great.
My config file looks like the following:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 0 miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.9 oh_dps 163.3 mh_crit 30.47 oh_crit 30.47 mh_hit 11.04 oh_hit 11.04 mh_expertise_rating 23 oh_expertise_rating 23 ap 3878 melee_haste 21.57 armor_penetration 21.57 str 131 agi 975 int 538 spi 155 spellpower 1437 spell_crit 21.28 spell_hit 13.8 spell_haste 21.57 max_mana 12186 mp5 60 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem - set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Last edited by Winfurae : 09/24/09 at 4:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by Winfurae
I must be doing something wrong here. After filling in my stats in EnhSim, putting the simulation time to 10000 hours and running the simulator, my dps appears to be 1440. Not very impressive.
My config file looks like the following: ### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 10000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 0 ep_spirit 0 ep_mp5 0 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 0 miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 0/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 0/10.0 spellpower_buff 0/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 0/3.0 stat_multiplier 0/10.0 stat_add_buff 0/52 agi_and_strength_buff 0/178 intellect_buff 0/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir - guardian_elixir - potion - food - ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.9 oh_dps 163.3 mh_crit 30.47 oh_crit 30.47 mh_hit 11.04 oh_hit 11.04 mh_expertise_rating 23 oh_expertise_rating 23 ap 3878 melee_haste 21.57 armor_penetration 21.57 str 131 agi 975 int 538 spi 155 spellpower 1437 spell_crit 21.28 spell_hit 13.8 spell_haste 21.57 max_mana 12186 mp5 60 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 sphere_of_red_dragons_blood totem - set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2 set_bonus2 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus3 - metagem relentless_earthsiege_diamond gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 windfury_weapon glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 feral_spirit glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5 |
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Originally Posted by Quaunaut
You didn't set up your Priority rotation. Essentially all you were doing was auto-attacking.
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Use the default values if you are not an advanced user of the simulator.
Also don't forget to add all the buffs you get from raid, since you did not select any.
Also don't forget to add all the buffs you get from raid, since you did not select any.
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Originally Posted by Winfurae
Ahhh, ofcourse! Cheers for that, this seems more like it. Any ideas regarding the EP tab?
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These are the "step" values ie: the amounts to try adding to your stats to see how much of a difference that makes. Making a mistake changing these to inconsistent values can mean you get even more meaningless EP value results than the default settings give.
[OT] Shock and Awe issue
I hope not to report an already discussed issue and not to go completely OT, but I think it is a very serious one.
I noticed this since a long time, but it's a problem that rarely showed up in classic raid setups, where guilds usually bring only 1 enhancement shaman. It will be more annoying now if enhancement shamans will have to add Flame Shock in their priority queue.
I am referring to the addon tracking not only the player's own debuffs (SS charges and FS debuff timer), but also other shamans in the same raid.
This means a player's priority (and therefore dps) gets screwed up by other players of the same spec (and now, of same class since elem use FS and even resto can use it sometimes) putting those debuffs on mobs.
should I open a ticket on SaA curseforge webpage or it's an already discussed/fixed/unfixable issue?
I noticed this since a long time, but it's a problem that rarely showed up in classic raid setups, where guilds usually bring only 1 enhancement shaman. It will be more annoying now if enhancement shamans will have to add Flame Shock in their priority queue.
I am referring to the addon tracking not only the player's own debuffs (SS charges and FS debuff timer), but also other shamans in the same raid.
This means a player's priority (and therefore dps) gets screwed up by other players of the same spec (and now, of same class since elem use FS and even resto can use it sometimes) putting those debuffs on mobs.
should I open a ticket on SaA curseforge webpage or it's an already discussed/fixed/unfixable issue?
Troll Berserking Racial.
Can a troll (in game not forum) pls confirm the benefits of their berserking racial for inclusion in the sim. It says "Increases your attack speed by 20% for 10 sec." testers on wowhead suggest it affects spells also. Does it affect GCD?
With the upcoming ability for paid race changes ( World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Paid Race Change - Need Blizzard Rep ) , it may be useful to know if this gives a benefit over say Orc expertise racial.
I've posted a issue ticket on the EnhSim site. EnhSim - View Issue #4981: Troll Berserking Racial
Not the right thread pls see the ShockAndAwe thread ShockAndAwe (formerly DisqoDice)
I think this is already fixed however please post a ticket on Curseforge to remind me to check that it is fixed.
Can a troll (in game not forum) pls confirm the benefits of their berserking racial for inclusion in the sim. It says "Increases your attack speed by 20% for 10 sec." testers on wowhead suggest it affects spells also. Does it affect GCD?
With the upcoming ability for paid race changes ( World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Paid Race Change - Need Blizzard Rep ) , it may be useful to know if this gives a benefit over say Orc expertise racial.
I've posted a issue ticket on the EnhSim site. EnhSim - View Issue #4981: Troll Berserking Racial
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Originally Posted by Totentanz
Should I open a ticket on SaA curseforge webpage or it's an already discussed/fixed/unfixable issue?
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I think this is already fixed however please post a ticket on Curseforge to remind me to check that it is fixed.
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Originally Posted by Totentanz
I hope not to report an already discussed issue and not to go completely OT, but I think it is a very serious one.
I noticed this since a long time, but it's a problem that rarely showed up in classic raid setups, where guilds usually bring only 1 enhancement shaman. It will be more annoying now if enhancement shamans will have to add Flame Shock in their priority queue. I am referring to the addon tracking not only the player's own debuffs (SS charges and FS debuff timer), but also other shamans in the same raid. This means a player's priority (and therefore dps) gets screwed up by other players of the same spec (and now, of same class since elem use FS and even resto can use it sometimes) putting those debuffs on mobs. should I open a ticket on SaA curseforge webpage or it's an already discussed/fixed/unfixable issue? |
There is a check box for it in powerauras and there is an option in pitbull4 to make your own debuffs significantly larger then all the other ones and they work fine. This is a definite thing considering I set up powerauras to show me the Flame Shock debuff when active on my target but kept forgetting to cast it last night. We have an elemental shaman so if that was a real issue then I would always see it active even when I forgot to cast it and that definitely was not the case.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
This hasn't been a concern for a long time now. Both powerauras and pitbull4 separate out my debuffs from any other shamans without any issues and I assume it is the same for the majority of other UI mods.
There is a check box for it in powerauras and there is an option in pitbull4 to make your own debuffs significantly larger then all the other ones and they work fine. This is a definite thing considering I set up powerauras to show me the Flame Shock debuff when active on my target but kept forgetting to cast it last night. We have an elemental shaman so if that was a real issue then I would always see it active even when I forgot to cast it and that definitely was not the case. |
I was thinking about where a FS would come in the priority list and came up with the following logic.
I am defining FS as ..."If FS dot expired and FS available use FS". ie: never clip the dot.
Situation : "Shock off cooldown, SS on target and FS dot just expired." We have two possibilities :
1) ES_SS, FS or 2) FS, ES_SS
In situation 1) we pick ES over FS and get the 28% boost from the SS debuff and wait minimum of 6 seconds (or less if reverb talented) for shock to come off coolodown to be able to use FS. Or
In situation 2) we pick FS over ES and get minimum of 3 ticks (2 if reverb talented) of FS damage. Note the SS debuff may have expired in the 6 seconds (less if reverb) that shock is now on CD and before you can do ES.
So to me its a case of making sure you use the SS debuff when available otherwise you are trading 28% nature damage for 3 ticks of FS fire damage. I haven't done the maths yet but I'm reasonably sure 28% nature damage will be more. Hence the suggestion of ES_SS before FS.
This would give rise to MW5_LB, ES_SS, FS, SS, ES, LL, MT, LS, totem refresh.
BTW do we have any new co-efficients for Flame Shock? Or did it remain the same just with a longer duration? I'll need to add an option to Rawr so I was hoping to get the figures from someone who knew before going and reinventing the wheel.
Has anyone done any napkin maths to show what level of Spellpower required to make FS viable. Also what level of crit/spellpower required to make FS glyph viable.
I am defining FS as ..."If FS dot expired and FS available use FS". ie: never clip the dot.
Situation : "Shock off cooldown, SS on target and FS dot just expired." We have two possibilities :
1) ES_SS, FS or 2) FS, ES_SS
In situation 1) we pick ES over FS and get the 28% boost from the SS debuff and wait minimum of 6 seconds (or less if reverb talented) for shock to come off coolodown to be able to use FS. Or
In situation 2) we pick FS over ES and get minimum of 3 ticks (2 if reverb talented) of FS damage. Note the SS debuff may have expired in the 6 seconds (less if reverb) that shock is now on CD and before you can do ES.
So to me its a case of making sure you use the SS debuff when available otherwise you are trading 28% nature damage for 3 ticks of FS fire damage. I haven't done the maths yet but I'm reasonably sure 28% nature damage will be more. Hence the suggestion of ES_SS before FS.
This would give rise to MW5_LB, ES_SS, FS, SS, ES, LL, MT, LS, totem refresh.
BTW do we have any new co-efficients for Flame Shock? Or did it remain the same just with a longer duration? I'll need to add an option to Rawr so I was hoping to get the figures from someone who knew before going and reinventing the wheel.
Has anyone done any napkin maths to show what level of Spellpower required to make FS viable. Also what level of crit/spellpower required to make FS glyph viable.
I changed my spec to put 5/5 in reverberation after some early testing with FS. I had 2/2 imp SS and 2/2 imp WF totem, removed those and 1 from Call of Flame. With the 5 second CD I am able to get 2 ESs during the full duration of the FS, without clipping, while maintaining SS debuff, MW 5 stacks, and LL to keep quaking earth totem proc up. Without the reverb, the FS dot would fall off with ~2 seconds left on shock CD.
Reverb seems to be a must in order to fully utilize adding FS into the priority.
Reverb seems to be a must in order to fully utilize adding FS into the priority.
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Originally Posted by Levva
BTW do we have any new co-efficients for Flame Shock? Or did it remain the same just with a longer duration? I'll need to add an option to Rawr so I was hoping to get the figures from someone who knew before going and reinventing the wheel.
Has anyone done any napkin maths to show what level of Spellpower required to make FS viable. Also what level of crit/spellpower required to make FS glyph viable. |
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Originally Posted by Levva
Has anyone done any napkin maths to show what level of Spellpower required to make FS viable. Also what level of crit/spellpower required to make FS glyph viable.
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[Enhancement] 3.2 Changes
[Enhancement] 3.2 Changes
FS beats ES with 1250 SP, I dont have the exact number when they are worth the same but all shamans should attain 1250 easily, if not personal then with raid buffs.
The glyph turned out to be about 56 DPS increase for a shaman with 2500 SP (raid buffed) and 40% crit.
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Originally Posted by Levva
I was thinking about where a FS would come in the priority list and came up with the following logic.
I am defining FS as ..."If FS dot expired and FS available use FS". ie: never clip the dot. Situation : "Shock off cooldown, SS on target and FS dot just expired." We have two possibilities : 1) ES_SS, FS or 2) FS, ES_SS In situation 1) we pick ES over FS and get the 28% boost from the SS debuff and wait minimum of 6 seconds (or less if reverb talented) for shock to come off coolodown to be able to use FS. Or In situation 2) we pick FS over ES and get minimum of 3 ticks (2 if reverb talented) of FS damage. Note the SS debuff may have expired in the 6 seconds (less if reverb) that shock is now on CD and before you can do ES. So to me its a case of making sure you use the SS debuff when available otherwise you are trading 28% nature damage for 3 ticks of FS fire damage. I haven't done the maths yet but I'm reasonably sure 28% nature damage will be more. Hence the suggestion of ES_SS before FS. This would give rise to MW5_LB, ES_SS, FS, SS, ES, LL, MT, LS, totem refresh. |
FS is more damage then ES-SS so long as you get at least 5 out of 6 ticks even with the 28% bump in Nature damage. So just set up your priorities with FS before ES_SS and then set it so that it will only cast FS if there is 1 tick or less remaining on the DoT.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Not the right thread pls see the ShockAndAwe thread ShockAndAwe (formerly DisqoDice)
I think this is already fixed however please post a ticket on Curseforge to remind me to check that it is fixed. |
Hey guys, sorry for the untimely update. I took a short vacation and have actually been spending some time outside the game. I'll see if I can't get out 3.2.2 updates this weekend.
I think I can get the flame shock stuff pretty easily. I'll also see about adding LL_EQ. Does anyone have proc rate data for the Onyxia axe?
Was there anything else that needs to get added?
I think I can get the flame shock stuff pretty easily. I'll also see about adding LL_EQ. Does anyone have proc rate data for the Onyxia axe?
Was there anything else that needs to get added?
Slightly off topic here but people are discussing how to apply FS in-game;
Wouldn't
solve 90% of everything discussed regarding Flame Shock usage? You can tune the reset value by Reverberation and/or math showing that overwriting FS is eligible at a sooner stage. Reset button is optional of course.
I'm interested to see if less ES spam will affect damage done by LB now that less SS debuffs are consumed by ES. I doubt this alone will be a great impact (also due to DoT time) but it could be a couple of DPS and tip the scale in favor of the FS glyph instead of WF.
Wouldn't
/castsequence reset=18/alt Flame Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock
I'm interested to see if less ES spam will affect damage done by LB now that less SS debuffs are consumed by ES. I doubt this alone will be a great impact (also due to DoT time) but it could be a couple of DPS and tip the scale in favor of the FS glyph instead of WF.
sorry if I bring an already discussed matter, can be worth casting SS (if not already present) on a target even with a MW5 LB/CL available? or the chance of losing 1 GCD of possible MW stacks + the SS chance will result in a dps loss?
substantially, the chance to have x new stacks from SS + GCD whites makes up for the 28% increased damage(SS bonus+glyph of SS) of the LB?
Otherwise, it could be interesting have the option to set this in the sim priority
substantially, the chance to have x new stacks from SS + GCD whites makes up for the 28% increased damage(SS bonus+glyph of SS) of the LB?
Otherwise, it could be interesting have the option to set this in the sim priority
Why? The sim simulates one target attacks if memory serves me right and you don't start a fight with MW5.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Hey guys, sorry for the untimely update. I took a short vacation and have actually been spending some time outside the game. I'll see if I can't get out 3.2.2 updates this weekend.
I think I can get the flame shock stuff pretty easily. I'll also see about adding LL_EQ. Does anyone have proc rate data for the Onyxia axe? Was there anything else that needs to get added? |
A bit of info concerning the axe can be found here:
[Enhancement] BiS gear and set-up discussion
Due to the fact that the mechanics isn't completely clear yet, the correct proc rate isn't, too.
But according to the posts about a really great testing of the guys there, at least for me, it's likely to be a 4.6-5.2% proc rate. Now, I did something statistically dangerous, as we do not know the exact mechanics, yet. The sum of all swings and procs of all single measurements will yield a proc-rate of 4.8%. Given the fact (?) that non-integer-values are more unlikely to be used as proc-rates than integers, I'd agree to Brynmors (EnhSim, DPS simulator) statement that the proc-rate is likely 5%.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I'll see if I can't get out 3.2.2 updates this weekend.
I think I can get the flame shock stuff pretty easily. I'll also see about adding LL_EQ. Does anyone have proc rate data for the Onyxia axe? Was there anything else that needs to get added? |
Thanx Sylvand, of course, don't forget the armor penetration change from the last patch:
| Armor Penetration Rating: The amount of armor penetration gained per point of this rating has been reduced by 12%. |
From my use of FS in rotation with 5/5 reverb, you can only get 2 ES in between each full FS tick. Taking in to account the GCDs for MW5 stacks, SS, and ES.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Why? The sim simulates one target attacks if memory serves me right and you don't start a fight with MW5.
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- you SS the target mob (4 SS charges)
- LS procs (3 charges)
- you ES (2 charges)
- Static Shock procs (1 charge)
- you ES (0 charges)
- MW5 is ready
now what is better:
-SS then MW5LB
-MW5LB without applying SS
or something like that.
the diference is in increased LB damage (first choice) at the expense of losing possible MW stacks (second choice)
It has been stated and proven before that holding off a MW5 to SS to get the debuff would mean a dps loss. MW5 should be used first regardless of the SS debuff. The next SS after the use of MW5 LB could proc a WF and stack MW back up to 3-4, if lucky. If the SS came first for debuff, thats a loss in MW procs and an overall decrease in LBs cast. That is why the priority list does not specify to only use MW5 if the SS debuff is up.
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Originally Posted by Mogadee
It has been stated and proven before that holding off a MW5 to SS to get the debuff would mean a dps loss. MW5 should be used first regardless of the SS debuff. The next SS after the use of MW5 LB could proc a WF and stack MW back up to 3-4, if lucky. If the SS came first for debuff, thats a loss in MW procs and an overall decrease in LBs cast. That is why the priority list does not specify to only use MW5 if the SS debuff is up.
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I still have the doubt about the correct maths and stats scaling (SS proccing 1-n charges is a chance %), so I tried to find a post/threat that clarifies this, but didn't have much luck. Now, if anyone could be so kind to point me there...
BTW: thanks Levva for the quick fix and update of SaA
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Originally Posted by Mogadee
It has been stated and proven before that holding off a MW5 to SS to get the debuff would mean a dps loss. MW5 should be used first regardless of the SS debuff. The next SS after the use of MW5 LB could proc a WF and stack MW back up to 3-4, if lucky. If the SS came first for debuff, thats a loss in MW procs and an overall decrease in LBs cast. That is why the priority list does not specify to only use MW5 if the SS debuff is up.
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I'm not saying you're wrong or even that this is a high priority update, just that having a SS_0Charge priority does have a place on the "Nice To Have" list.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
Hey guys, sorry for the untimely update. I took a short vacation and have actually been spending some time outside the game. I'll see if I can't get out 3.2.2 updates this weekend.
I think I can get the flame shock stuff pretty easily. I'll also see about adding LL_EQ. Does anyone have proc rate data for the Onyxia axe? Was there anything else that needs to get added? |
I erred on the side of caution, if I wasn't 100% sure the sim coped right as their had been some discussion about it I posted an issue for you to verify. A few of the issues might therefore be a simply yup that's done right in the sim. Post msg saying its right and mark issue as closed.
I've also encouraged others to post any errors on the issues list so that we can maintain a working todo list. This should make it dramatically easier to update as all you ever need look at is the issues list and not have to trawl through multiple threads on this and other forums.
So once again guys if there is any bug or extra wish list item to add PLEASE post a ticket so that ALL of the requests are in the same place.
PS. Would recommend new version is numbered v1.9.0 as it will potentially have quite a few changes and it suggests to people its worth getting as an upgrade.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Slightly off topic here but people are discussing how to apply FS in-game;
Wouldn't /castsequence reset=18/alt Flame Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock I'm interested to see if less ES spam will affect damage done by LB now that less SS debuffs are consumed by ES. I doubt this alone will be a great impact (also due to DoT time) but it could be a couple of DPS and tip the scale in favor of the FS glyph instead of WF. |
Totem of the Quaking Earth Buff is down or about to be down, would it not be more important (outside of MWx5_LB) to attempt to refresh it first or if it has less than a specific amount of time? My guess would be about 6-7 seconds, as you could bring it back up if needed before it drops.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Slightly off topic here but people are discussing how to apply FS in-game;
Wouldn't /castsequence reset=18/alt Flame Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock I'm interested to see if less ES spam will affect damage done by LB now that less SS debuffs are consumed by ES. I doubt this alone will be a great impact (also due to DoT time) but it could be a couple of DPS and tip the scale in favor of the FS glyph instead of WF. |
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Originally Posted by Levva
That macro probably fails as they changed the way the macros work in the patch. I understand they now go through every spell in the sequence before restarting. Blizzard changed the way they work as players were using such macros with long sequences so that they could mash a button and the game would make decisions for them. Since the game making decisions is a bad thing it was changed so players had to decide what to use and not the game.
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The problem he is having with the macro is related to reverberation and the timing of things.
0 - FS
1
2
3
4
5 - ES (reverb)
6 - ES (w/o reverb)
7
8
9
10 - ES (reverb)
11
12 - ES (w/o reverb)
13
14
15 - ES (reverb) or FS (reverb) if you want to clip the last tick
16
17
18 - DoT gone - FS (w/o reverb)
19
20 - FS (reverb) to avoid clipping that last tick
If you are specced into Reverb then you have to make a choice of either clipping the last tick of the FS DoT (which causes FS to lose a chunk of it's damage advantage over ES) or you wait for the DoT to fall off completely before reapplying.
Without Reverb the macro should be;
/castsequence reset=18/combat/alt Flame Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock
/castsequence reset=18/combat/alt Flame Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock, Earth Shock
To you guys that are discussing the viability of Reverberation, have you considered the possibility of only going 4/5 instead of the full 5/5? At a 5.2 second cooldown, your shock would come off cooldown at the 15.6 second mark. This might provide a couple benefits, including an automatic safeguard against clipping the DoT, as well as freeing up a talent point to put in a place such as Improved Shields, at minimal-to-no DPS loss.
Of course, this is all only relevant if reverberation ends up being a DPS boost with 4/5 T9
Of course, this is all only relevant if reverberation ends up being a DPS boost with 4/5 T9
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Originally Posted by Razanar
To you guys that are discussing the viability of Reverberation, have you considered the possibility of only going 4/5 instead of the full 5/5? At a 5.2 second cooldown, your shock would come off cooldown at the 15.6 second mark. This might provide a couple benefits, including an automatic safeguard against clipping the DoT, as well as freeing up a talent point to put in a place such as Improved Shields, at minimal-to-no DPS loss.
Of course, this is all only relevant if reverberation ends up being a DPS boost with 4/5 T9 |
How would 15.6 be any better then 15? The clipping I was talking about is of the last tick which occurs at 18 not the tick that occurs at 15 seconds. I'm not sure it's possible to clip the tick that occurs at 15 seconds with 5/5 reverb or the one that would occur at 18 seconds with 0/5 reverb. Since the cooldown would end as the tick occurs, your client's instruction to the server to cast the next Flame Shock should be a minimum of a latency period behind the server calculating that last DoT tick.
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Originally Posted by Razanar
To you guys that are discussing the viability of Reverberation, have you considered the possibility of only going 4/5 instead of the full 5/5? At a 5.2 second cooldown, your shock would come off cooldown at the 15.6 second mark. This might provide a couple benefits, including an automatic safeguard against clipping the DoT, as well as freeing up a talent point to put in a place such as Improved Shields, at minimal-to-no DPS loss.
Of course, this is all only relevant if reverberation ends up being a DPS boost with 4/5 T9 |
MWx5_LB
ToQE =< 7 seconds, LL
FS
ES_SS
SS
LL
LS
MT
Basically the same as Levva's, the only difference i added was to do LL if the QE buff was at 7 or less, so i could HOPEFULLY keep the buff up for a longer period of time, refreshing it rather than letting it drop.
This may be a moot point in a few days when we get an updated version of the simulator, but I was wondering what would be the best way to deal with the armor pen. adjustment in the current sim. I'm thinking not just in terms of modeling dps but adjusting the EP value.
I figured that a reasonable approximation would be to manually decrease my current arm. pen. value which I exported from S&A (multiply by 0.88 to account for the 12% decrease in effectiveness) to adjust the dps output from the simulator, and then apply the same 0.88 coefficient to the EP rating that the simulator gives me. I figured that the first adjustment takes care of the armor pen. I already have, and the second adjusts the rating for future gear that I may look at evaluating.
The difference is not extreme; my current stat went from 13.1 to 11.9 or so, and the EP value from 1.57 to 1.38. That seems reasonable to me, I suppose. Its already led me to swap one piece of gear so I'm just hoping I'm not off base.
I figured that a reasonable approximation would be to manually decrease my current arm. pen. value which I exported from S&A (multiply by 0.88 to account for the 12% decrease in effectiveness) to adjust the dps output from the simulator, and then apply the same 0.88 coefficient to the EP rating that the simulator gives me. I figured that the first adjustment takes care of the armor pen. I already have, and the second adjusts the rating for future gear that I may look at evaluating.
The difference is not extreme; my current stat went from 13.1 to 11.9 or so, and the EP value from 1.57 to 1.38. That seems reasonable to me, I suppose. Its already led me to swap one piece of gear so I'm just hoping I'm not off base.
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Originally Posted by Enkeedu
This may be a moot point in a few days when we get an updated version of the simulator, but I was wondering what would be the best way to deal with the armor pen. adjustment in the current sim. I'm thinking not just in terms of modeling dps but adjusting the EP value.
I figured that a reasonable approximation would be to manually decrease my current arm. pen. value which I exported from S&A (multiply by 0.88 to account for the 12% decrease in effectiveness) to adjust the dps output from the simulator, and then apply the same 0.88 coefficient to the EP rating that the simulator gives me. I figured that the first adjustment takes care of the armor pen. I already have, and the second adjusts the rating for future gear that I may look at evaluating. The difference is not extreme; my current stat went from 13.1 to 11.9 or so, and the EP value from 1.57 to 1.38. That seems reasonable to me, I suppose. Its already led me to swap one piece of gear so I'm just hoping I'm not off base. |
Now as it happens ArP is a complex beast, as GC's formulae on the Blizzard forums showed and isn't directly linear however it is one of the more straightforward stats being a straight modifier to damage reduction. You also have to recall that it only affects around half our dps and so a 12% nerf to Arp will not be a 12% dps loss in fact it only modifies the damage reduction modifier on half our damage so its not even 6%. Assuming the damage reduction modifier you had from ArP is no more than 20-30% then 12% ArP loss is closer to .12*.25*.5 = 1.5%. Of course many will have a lot lower ArP than that and so lower dps loss.
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I wanted to do some quick comparisons with shock damage to see just how much DPS flameshock would add. In order to simulate this I used the Flame Shock glyph in the sim. For all intents and purposes this glyph should mimic what FS acts like on live without the glyph.
Steps:
1. 2 glyph slots filled with Stormstike and Feral Spirits (only Stormstrike is really important here due to the debuff) and 1 empty glyph slot.
2. Sim without FS in the rotation.
3. Add FS glyph to the third glyph slot (remember that this is the old FS glyph so it will mimic the way FS acts on live unglyphed)
4. Add FS to the rotation above SS_ES
5. Resim.
The difference between 2 and 5 is 10 DPS in favour of 2. Assuming that the new FS glyph adds 77DPS as Bink said then we're still looking at a loss compared to using the WF glyph.
I find it strange that the EnhShock spreadsheet Bink posted was reporting DPS gain without the new glyph when the sim clearly shows otherwise. Something is buggered up in one of the two.
Find my config below:
Steps:
1. 2 glyph slots filled with Stormstike and Feral Spirits (only Stormstrike is really important here due to the debuff) and 1 empty glyph slot.
2. Sim without FS in the rotation.
3. Add FS glyph to the third glyph slot (remember that this is the old FS glyph so it will mimic the way FS acts on live unglyphed)
4. Add FS to the rotation above SS_ES
5. Resim.
The difference between 2 and 5 is 10 DPS in favour of 2. Assuming that the new FS glyph adds 77DPS as Bink said then we're still looking at a loss compared to using the WF glyph.
I find it strange that the EnhShock spreadsheet Bink posted was reporting DPS gain without the new glyph when the sim clearly shows otherwise. Something is buggered up in one of the two.
Find my config below:
### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 10 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 50 max_lag 60 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 12 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 FS rotation_priority5 ES_SS rotation_priority6 SS rotation_priority7 ES rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 LS rotation_priority10 LL rotation_priority11 MW3_LB rotation_priority12 MW4_LB miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10645 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.61 mh_dps 196.5 oh_dps 196.5 mh_crit 37.78 oh_crit 37.78 mh_hit 11.56 oh_hit 11.56 mh_expertise_rating 140 oh_expertise_rating 140 ap 4601 melee_haste 17.92 armor_penetration 3.57 str 147 agi 1014 int 650 spi 171 spellpower 1380 spell_crit 28.79 spell_hit 14.45 spell_haste 13.78 max_mana 13866 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon axe trinket1 45522 trinket2 45931 totem 47667 set_bonus1 t9_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 flame_shock glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 2/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
Last edited by Ryethe : 09/28/09 at 9:24 AM. Reason: Clarify the steps used.
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I don't think its worth conjecturing about FS and the new FS glyph until the sim gets updated. At the very least we can say your test showed a 10 DPS loss in a situation where the DoT wouldn't be able to crit. If we translate your test to how FS now behaves live (with the effects of the old FS glyph being folded into FS with no glyph needed) it would be as if you used FS in your rotation and only had 2 major glyphs in use. I would very much think that allowing the FS DoT to crit with the new glyph is going to be worth more than 10 DPS. Unless anyone can prove otherwise it would seem that dropping the WF glyph for the new FS glyph and working FS into our rotation will net a DPS increase. That said I'm not about to start doing so until EnhSim gets updated and I can prove it to myself.
Last edited by Brynmor : 09/27/09 at 3:22 AM. Reason: Clarification
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Originally Posted by Brynmor
I don't think its worth conjecturing about FS and the new FS glyph until the sim gets updated. At the very least we can say your test showed a 10 DPS loss in a situation where the DoT wouldn't be able to crit. If we translate your test to how FS now behaves live (with the effects of the old FS glyph being folded into FS with no glyph needed) it would be as if you used FS in your rotation and only had 2 major glyphs in use. I would very much think that allowing the FS DoT to crit with the new glyph is going to be worth more than 10 DPS. Unless anyone can prove otherwise it would seem that dropping the WF glyph for the new FS glyph and working FS into our rotation will net a DPS increase. That said I'm not about to start doing so until EnhSim gets updated and I can prove it to myself.
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One glyph slot was open was exactly the point. If I fill that glyph slot with WF and removed FS from the rotation, it was a 77 DPS upgrade. That means the new glyph will have to pack one hell of a punch for it to be worth adding a new spell to our rotation.
Hmmm ..
I use Totem of Quaking Earth and Victor's Call Heroic (Trinket)
When I run the Sim I get the Message
"Trinket 47946 not found.
Totem 47667 not found."
I'm sure I have the latest version of Enhsim. (1.7.0) What can I do about this? O.o
Do we have to wait for a newer version or does my addon give me the wrong numbers of the totem/trinket?
I use Totem of Quaking Earth and Victor's Call Heroic (Trinket)
When I run the Sim I get the Message
"Trinket 47946 not found.
Totem 47667 not found."
I'm sure I have the latest version of Enhsim. (1.7.0) What can I do about this? O.o
Do we have to wait for a newer version or does my addon give me the wrong numbers of the totem/trinket?
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Originally Posted by Nayruu
Hmmm ..
I use Totem of Quaking Earth and Victor's Call Heroic (Trinket) When I run the Sim I get the Message "Trinket 47946 not found. Totem 47667 not found." I'm sure I have the latest version of Enhsim. (1.7.0) What can I do about this? O.o Do we have to wait for a newer version or does my addon give me the wrong numbers of the totem/trinket? |
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Originally Posted by Nayruu
Hmmm ..
I use Totem of Quaking Earth and Victor's Call Heroic (Trinket) When I run the Sim I get the Message "Trinket 47946 not found. Totem 47667 not found." I'm sure I have the latest version of Enhsim. (1.7.0) What can I do about this? O.o Do we have to wait for a newer version or does my addon give me the wrong numbers of the totem/trinket? |
Could we please get an updated mac version?
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
I wanted to do some quick comparisons with shock damage to see just how much DPS flameshock would add. In order to simulate this I used the Flame Shock glyph in the sim. For all intents and purposes this glyph should mimic what FS acts like on live without the glyph. I then inserted FS in the rotation above ES_SS. I then simmed with FS in the rotation and with FS out of the rotation.
The result was a 10DPS loss when FS was in the rotation. Assuming that the new FS glyph adds 77DPS as Bink said then we're still looking at a loss compared to using the WF glyph. I find it strange that the EnhShock spreadsheet Bink posted was reporting DPS gain without the new glyph when the sim clearly shows otherwise. Something is buggered up in one of the two. |
You need to sim without WF glyph first, and then add the FS glyph.
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you are, in fact, NOT using the latest version of Enhsim, and that you would be wise to actually use the search function on this thread to search for the correct version of Enhsim, 1.8.3.3
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but thanks a lot, I am now up to date
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Originally Posted by Akiros
What is your reference point?
You need to sim without WF glyph first, and then add the FS glyph. |
Updated GUI released
New version available from EnhSim - Home
GUI updates only!
If you have issues please either send me a PM or the more preferred option is to open an issue on the enhsim site.
Fixed:
4783 - Remove OH melee hit and crit % boxes
4785 - Add check for correct enhsim.exe path before trying to launch sim
4974 - Prevent selecting both 2 and 4 piece bonuses from the same set
4973 - Pick up food and flask buffs from rawr import
4991 - Fixed imports from Shock and Awe
Additional fixes:
Reset of gear choice & glyph boxes when loading
Reset of buff and food boxes when loading only from rawr
Moved glyphs to the Glyphs & Talents tab
Renamed some tabs
Fixed minor formatting issues
Added "Report an Error" button in place of donate button - users will be directed to the issue tracker page on codeplex
GUI updates only!
If you have issues please either send me a PM or the more preferred option is to open an issue on the enhsim site.
Fixed:
4783 - Remove OH melee hit and crit % boxes
4785 - Add check for correct enhsim.exe path before trying to launch sim
4974 - Prevent selecting both 2 and 4 piece bonuses from the same set
4973 - Pick up food and flask buffs from rawr import
4991 - Fixed imports from Shock and Awe
Additional fixes:
Reset of gear choice & glyph boxes when loading
Reset of buff and food boxes when loading only from rawr
Moved glyphs to the Glyphs & Talents tab
Renamed some tabs
Fixed minor formatting issues
Added "Report an Error" button in place of donate button - users will be directed to the issue tracker page on codeplex
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
Exactly what I did. Whether or not the third slot is filled with the FS glyph for both tests is irrelevant since if FS is not in the rotation the third slot is effectively empty.
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Last edited by Akiros : 09/28/09 at 2:10 PM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Errr no not really. EP values simply don't work like that. The EP value of any stat can't simply be multiplied by any change to it as there are plenty of interactions between a single stat and all the other stats in lots of different formulae.
Now as it happens ArP is a complex beast, as GC's formulae on the Blizzard forums showed and isn't directly linear however it is one of the more straightforward stats being a straight modifier to damage reduction. You also have to recall that it only affects around half our dps and so a 12% nerf to Arp will not be a 12% dps loss in fact it only modifies the damage reduction modifier on half our damage so its not even 6%. Assuming the damage reduction modifier you had from ArP is no more than 20-30% then 12% ArP loss is closer to .12*.25*.5 = 1.5%. Of course many will have a lot lower ArP than that and so lower dps loss. |
As to the EP scaling, I did suspect that making a simple adjustment there to compensate for the nerf would be a bit ambitious, but given that anytime you use the EP scale alone to justify a gearing choice you are making an approximation, I figured I would still be in the ballpark. Perhaps not! However, if I could come up with the correct coefficient to scale my input arp. by, I could atleast be somewhat confident that my other melee related EP values would not be as incorrect as they are now. Right now I'm reasonably confident that those other melee related stats are valued slightly higher than they ought to be. But really, the only useful stat we have that isn't related to melee is raw spellpower, of which we're almost never trying to compare gear anyway.
I'll just continue to wait patiently for the new sim.
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Originally Posted by Alandovos
New version available from EnhSim - Home
GUI updates only! If you have issues please either send me a PM or the more preferred option is to open an issue on the enhsim site. Fixed: 4783 - Remove OH melee hit and crit % boxes 4785 - Add check for correct enhsim.exe path before trying to launch sim 4974 - Prevent selecting both 2 and 4 piece bonuses from the same set 4973 - Pick up food and flask buffs from rawr import 4991 - Fixed imports from Shock and Awe Additional fixes: Reset of gear choice & glyph boxes when loading Reset of buff and food boxes when loading only from rawr Moved glyphs to the Glyphs & Talents tab Renamed some tabs Fixed minor formatting issues Added "Report an Error" button in place of donate button - users will be directed to the issue tracker page on codeplex |
...also, what about a new LL_QE priority?
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Originally Posted by Rani
Might be a dumb question, but does this version includes the changes to FS and ArP?
...also, what about a new LL_QE priority? |
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Hey guys I have been using for Enhsim for a long time but the last two updates have been giving me some real funny numbers:
No matter what i put in I always have been gettign a negative value for main hand, my combate log shows negative dps for white, and stormstrike damage! what am i doing wrong? here is what i am inputting:
edited to include code boxes and clear up where my EP info was posted!
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 2655.04 ap 1.00 0.20 2695.40 40.36 crit rating 1.19 0.24 2662.23 7.19 hit rating 1.48 0.30 2663.97 8.93 expertise rating 0.27 0.06 2656.84 1.81 haste rating 1.20 0.24 2662.31 7.27 armor penetration rating -0.17 -0.03 2654.00 -1.04 spellpower 2.45 0.49 2729.28 74.24 mh dps -0.50 -0.10 2654.28 -0.76 oh dps 1.87 0.38 2657.87 2.83 strength 1.10 agility 1.24 intelligence* 1.53
race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.9 oh_dps 178.9 mh_crit 35.47 oh_crit 35.47 mh_hit 11.13 oh_hit 11.13 mh_expertise_rating 136 oh_expertise_rating 136 ap 4034 melee_haste 22.96 armor_penetration 0 str 141 agi 956 int 455 spi 164 spellpower 1210 spell_crit 26.01 spell_hit 14.91 spell_haste 22.96 max_mana 11736 mp5 58 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 pyrite_infuser totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem - gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by Reztester
Hey guys I have been using for Enhsim for a long time but the last two updates have been giving me some real funny numbers:
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Use [ code ][ /code ] without the spaces when you are going to post config file. Also if you are asking a question about EP values don't you think it would be germane to include the EP portion of your config?
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Originally Posted by Nayruu
Sorry for bothering you. I was just checking the first post in this thread and EnhSim: Downloads where you can't find a newer version
but thanks a lot, I am now up to date |
sorry about that fixed my posting with the code tags.
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Originally Posted by Reztester
sorry about that fixed my posting with the code tags.
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
Except all previous conjecture and math showed that the extended FS dot was a DPS upgrade BEFORE adding in the new FS glyph (which is why the glyph would have been such a no brainer).
One glyph slot was open was exactly the point. If I fill that glyph slot with WF and removed FS from the rotation, it was a 77 DPS upgrade. That means the new glyph will have to pack one hell of a punch for it to be worth adding a new spell to our rotation. |
I ran EnhSim with my character's stats, full buffs, rotation as set in the BiS thread. No FS, FS glyph, no removal of WF glyph. I get 8143 DPS.
Next test I remove the WF glyph and change nothing else. I get 8058 DPS. From this we can say that the WF glyph is worth 85 DPS in my circumstance.
Then I ran it adding FS to my rotation (below SS on priority) and replacing the WF glyph with the FS glyph to simulate how FS behaves live. I got 8060 DPS. Now, to get to where we'd be live I now have to add back in the DPS from WF glyph, which would bring me to 8145 DPS. So as far as my own stats go incorporating FS into my rotation does yield a small DPS increase.
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Originally Posted by Akiros
Well, I see a difference of about 20 dps in favor of FS for me. So your results might not be valid for others.
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Now observe the difference in FS damage between 4pc t9 being absent and 4pc t9 being added:
2pc T9:
DPS PPM MPS earth shock 464.13 6.11% 6.28 40.60 18.70% flame shock 237.69 3.13% 2.98 18.20 8.38%
DPS PPM MPS earth shock 580.17 7.5% 6.28 40.60 18.70% flame shock 261.68 3.38% 2.98 18.20 8.38%
I've logged this in the bug tracker.
### Saved by v1.8.3.3a of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 8000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 5 report_count 80 threads 2 min_lag 0 max_lag 0 simulate_mana 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 750 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 2000 rotation_priority_count 8 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 MW5_LB rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 MT rotation_priority6 LS rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 ES miss 9.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 25.0 armor 13083 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 physical_vulnerability_debuff 0/2.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 688/688 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 0/10.0 spell_damage_debuff 10.0/10.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 52/52 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 0 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 0 judgement_of_wisdom 0 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.9 oh_dps 178.9 mh_crit 35.47 oh_crit 35.47 mh_hit 11.13 oh_hit 11.13 mh_expertise_rating 136 oh_expertise_rating 136 ap 4034 melee_haste 22.96 armor_penetration 0 str 141 agi 956 int 455 spi 164 spellpower 1210 spell_crit 26.01 spell_hit 14.91 spell_haste 22.96 max_mana 11736 mp5 58 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant berserking oh_enchant berserking mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 mirror_of_truth trinket2 pyrite_infuser totem totem_of_dueling set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem - gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 5/5 improved_shields 0/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 0/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 1/1 elemental_fury 0/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
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Originally Posted by Reztester
armor 13083 armor_debuff_major 3925/3925 armor_debuff_minor 0/1260 |
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Originally Posted by Reztester
sorry for the hassle this is the entire config file i am using to calculate the EPs i was getting in my previous email.
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Originally Posted by Brynmor
It does, but I don't think you understand exactly how you should've ran your test. I tried to explain it a little on my first response but I guess I wasn't as clear as I could've been. This time I'll just resort to math.
I ran EnhSim with my character's stats, full buffs, rotation as set in the BiS thread. No FS, FS glyph, no removal of WF glyph. I get 8143 DPS. Next test I remove the WF glyph and change nothing else. I get 8058 DPS. From this we can say that the WF glyph is worth 85 DPS in my circumstance. Then I ran it adding FS to my rotation (below SS on priority) and replacing the WF glyph with the FS glyph to simulate how FS behaves live. I got 8060 DPS. Now, to get to where we'd be live I now have to add back in the DPS from WF glyph, which would bring me to 8145 DPS. So as far as my own stats go incorporating FS into my rotation does yield a small DPS increase. |
As for your test scenario, I'd suggest you go check how many FS were cast with that sort of setup. To get FS cast values above anything trivial I had to move FS above ES_SS. Reason being that there were almost always extra SS charges and ES_SS was forcing FS to be on CD when it was arrived at in the priority list.
I may just be having a brain fart, but Lava Lash is already on a 6 second cooldown. Is there any value to adding something like LL_QE at this time?
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I may just be having a brain fart, but Lava Lash is already on a 6 second cooldown. Is there any value to adding something like LL_QE at this time?
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I was thinking the exact same thing sentinelborg, that now that LL has such a good buff attached to it its priority must rise when the buff is not on.
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
I may just be having a brain fart, but Lava Lash is already on a 6 second cooldown. Is there any value to adding something like LL_QE at this time?
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Is it worth doing a lava lash early if the buff has expired?
We can test this hypothesis if we have a LL_QE priority. So if its added to the sim we can run sims with it there and sims with it not there to see if there is any worthwhile effect.
[edit] The LL_QE priority should only be active if Totem of Quaking Earth is equipped. This might seem blindingly obvious but I though I'd mention it to ensure this test is present in the sim.
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Originally Posted by Levva
If you run through a typical combat log you may well see times when LL isn't used for 10-15 seconds or more. The buff giving 400 AP (and 120 SP from Mental Quickness) is good to have and could boost lots of damage. The test we wanted to be able to do is ...
Is it worth doing a lava lash early if the buff has expired? We can test this hypothesis if we have a LL_QE priority. So if its added to the sim we can run sims with it there and sims with it not there to see if there is any worthwhile effect. [edit] The LL_QE priority should only be active if Totem of Quaking Earth is equipped. This might seem blindingly obvious but I though I'd mention it to ensure this test is present in the sim. |
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
All right so rather than using LL as soon as the buff can be refreshed, its priority only gets boosted if the buff actually falls off? That should not be too difficult.
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function () return not ShockAndAwe:GetBuffInfo(C["Volcanic Fury"]) and ShockAndAwe:SpellAvailable(C["Lava Lash"]) and ShockAndAwe:QuakingEarthEquipped() end
It's probable position in the default queue is MW5_LB, LL_QE, ES_SS, SS, ES, LL, MT, LS. Testing with new sim will identify if this is a dps boost or not. FS might now appear in there somewhere too but thats a different issue.
So in this priority list LL only gets used ahead of SS, ES etc if there isn't a Volcanic Fury buff and player is using QE totem, otherwise the priority drops through to the next possible option. LL is therefore a completely different priority calc that has the simple conditional "is LL available".
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
All right so rather than using LL as soon as the buff can be refreshed, its priority only gets boosted if the buff actually falls off? That should not be too difficult.
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That should work since I don't think anyone is really going to be working out the timing to properly prioritize Lava Lash exactly 9 seconds after it was last refreshed. Boosting Lava Lash to a significantly higher priority when the buff falls off though is pretty simple and would fit within existing priority systems.
Maybe a good way to handle it would be to create a few new options for the priority list that would be dependent on the buffs/debuffs associated with them. Shouldn't be too hard to implement the following and they would cover most eventualities.
SS_noSS - Stormstrike when the debuff isn't on the target
LL_noQE - Lava Lash when ToQE's buff is missing
LS_noLS - refresh Lightning Shield when the buff has fallen off completely
So then these could be placed into the priority list where the user feels they would be appropriate. Then it would be possible to determine if it is better to hit SS when the debuff is missing or to hit MW opening the Sim up to a new level of theorycrafting where the priority list would be actively modified by the buffs and debuffs.
I have seen the occasion where SS on cd, shocks on cd, MT is down, <3 stack of MW, and LS does not need to refreshed with the QE buff at about 4 seconds left and LL not on cd. My point being, to have LL_QE only if the QE buff is off would be inaccurate. There are times when other spells are on cd and QE can be refreshed by LL while the buff is still up. So I think the LL_QE could have 2 parts to it in the sim. LL_QE if buff is off or if other spells (SS, ES, FS, etc.) are on cd and buff has less than x seconds remaining.
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Originally Posted by Mogadee
I have seen the occasion where SS on cd, shocks on cd, MT is down, <3 stack of MW, and LS does not need to refreshed with the QE buff at about 4 seconds left and LL not on cd. My point being, to have LL_QE only if the QE buff is off would be inaccurate. There are times when other spells are on cd and QE can be refreshed by LL while the buff is still up. So I think the LL_QE could have 2 parts to it in the sim. LL_QE if buff is off or if other spells (SS, ES, FS, etc.) are on cd and buff has less than x seconds remaining.
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Hi everyone.
I have been using the Sim for over a year now and appreciate the work you did there. Lately though I do have a little trouble understanding ep values provided by the sim. Let me explain: the hasterating values (yes i know) i recieve are really messed up. I usually run several sims (100k h) and then take the median for my haste rating. Yet its pretty inconvenient to do so when the values range from 0.02-3.7. So I did some "research" and want to ask you for validation.
First off right now i have ~22% haste and its my favourite stat. I comapre it to hit because after the softhitcap hit scales pretty much linear and predictable up until the hardhitcap.
One note regarding the numbers I used below. Those are not supposed to be EP-Values.
Autoattack: Haste:1,27 Hit:1
In a time Intervall t 1% Hit converts an existing 1% miss into a 1% hit by pushing misses off the attack table which thus can neither crit, nor glance. 1% Haste, on the other hand, adds 1% atacks to t which can hit, crit, miss or glance(this is the part which I am not sure about). So in general we can expect 1% haste being worth 2.06*critrate(raidbuffed ~50%)+0.24*0.7(glancingblow rate * glancing blow dmg)+(1-missrate)*1(regular hit) resulting in 2.06*0.5+0.24*0.7+(1-0.93)*1 = 1.27
Windfury Haste:1 Hit:1
1% extra hits adds 1% possibilities für WF-Procs but due to the 3sec WF CD both stats just push the procs closer together yet they affect the damage of Windfury even when only a little
Flametongue Haste:1 Hit:1
No clear winner here 1% hits result in 1% extra FT-proccs, thus 1% extra damage.
Lightn.Bolt Haste:1 Hit:1
No clear winner here either. 1% extra hits result in 1% extra mw stacks
Shocks Haste:0 Hit:>0
While haste has absolutely no effect on shock damage, hit still can come in handy in those situations where the Spriest/Moonkin dies, is absent or attacks another target (Faction Champions, Northrend Beasts, Twins)
Lightn.Shield Haste:1 Hit:1 Similar situation to Lightning Bolt. More hits result in more procs.
Feral Spirit Haste:1 Hit:1 Similar situation to Autoattack. More hits result in more damage.
Totems Haste:0 Hit:0 No scaling
Stormstrike Haste:0 Hit:0 No scaling
Considering the possibility(which I am not sure about) of additional hits provided by haste, to ~50% crit and the resulting additional procs like Elemental devastation, Flurry, Unleashed Rage, haste should constantly (meaning even in the rare situations where additional haste results in less Windfury procs) be valued more than hit.
So writing that down can anyone tell me where my theory has a flaw? Since with Hit beeing at 1.7 and Haste at 0.02 after 2 100k sims it would mean that I can keep my Haste EP-Value at ~1.9-2.0.
PS: I am sorry for interrupting the FS,LL_QE etc discussion but I dont have anything to contribute to that section and, as far as from the many enhance theory threads i have read, haste rating still seems to cause trouble.
I have been using the Sim for over a year now and appreciate the work you did there. Lately though I do have a little trouble understanding ep values provided by the sim. Let me explain: the hasterating values (yes i know) i recieve are really messed up. I usually run several sims (100k h) and then take the median for my haste rating. Yet its pretty inconvenient to do so when the values range from 0.02-3.7. So I did some "research" and want to ask you for validation.
First off right now i have ~22% haste and its my favourite stat. I comapre it to hit because after the softhitcap hit scales pretty much linear and predictable up until the hardhitcap.
One note regarding the numbers I used below. Those are not supposed to be EP-Values.
Autoattack: Haste:1,27 Hit:1
In a time Intervall t 1% Hit converts an existing 1% miss into a 1% hit by pushing misses off the attack table which thus can neither crit, nor glance. 1% Haste, on the other hand, adds 1% atacks to t which can hit, crit, miss or glance(this is the part which I am not sure about). So in general we can expect 1% haste being worth 2.06*critrate(raidbuffed ~50%)+0.24*0.7(glancingblow rate * glancing blow dmg)+(1-missrate)*1(regular hit) resulting in 2.06*0.5+0.24*0.7+(1-0.93)*1 = 1.27
Windfury Haste:1 Hit:1
1% extra hits adds 1% possibilities für WF-Procs but due to the 3sec WF CD both stats just push the procs closer together yet they affect the damage of Windfury even when only a little
Flametongue Haste:1 Hit:1
No clear winner here 1% hits result in 1% extra FT-proccs, thus 1% extra damage.
Lightn.Bolt Haste:1 Hit:1
No clear winner here either. 1% extra hits result in 1% extra mw stacks
Shocks Haste:0 Hit:>0
While haste has absolutely no effect on shock damage, hit still can come in handy in those situations where the Spriest/Moonkin dies, is absent or attacks another target (Faction Champions, Northrend Beasts, Twins)
Lightn.Shield Haste:1 Hit:1 Similar situation to Lightning Bolt. More hits result in more procs.
Feral Spirit Haste:1 Hit:1 Similar situation to Autoattack. More hits result in more damage.
Totems Haste:0 Hit:0 No scaling
Stormstrike Haste:0 Hit:0 No scaling
Considering the possibility(which I am not sure about) of additional hits provided by haste, to ~50% crit and the resulting additional procs like Elemental devastation, Flurry, Unleashed Rage, haste should constantly (meaning even in the rare situations where additional haste results in less Windfury procs) be valued more than hit.
So writing that down can anyone tell me where my theory has a flaw? Since with Hit beeing at 1.7 and Haste at 0.02 after 2 100k sims it would mean that I can keep my Haste EP-Value at ~1.9-2.0.
PS: I am sorry for interrupting the FS,LL_QE etc discussion but I dont have anything to contribute to that section and, as far as from the many enhance theory threads i have read, haste rating still seems to cause trouble.
If you are getting haste EP values with a range of 0.02 up to 3.4 then you are doing something wrong. You should probably focus more on figuring that out then figuring out how haste's value relates to hit's value. That has never been a topic of interest to anyone anyway, as far as I can tell, with the debate about haste being centered around it's relative value to AP not to Hit.
Heres the big thing about comparing the LL glyph with the WF glyph. WF glyph WILL NOT scale in the same manner as LL will. Will it scale? Yes of course, everything pretty much scales outside of buffs. The difference is how the glyphs work.
Glyph of Windfury increases the chance for your windfury weapon to proc by 2%, excluding internal cool down. Thus WF is going to scale directly off your melee crit chance with a SLIGHTLY increased chance to proc.
Glyph of Flame Strike gives your flame shock ticks a chance to crit. This is going to scale based off your spell crit chance.
In essence, if your melee crit is decent, 40% raid buffed, but your spell crit is low, 20%. More than likely you will see better numbers from the WF glyph. While if your spell crit chance is moderately higher raid buffed, 35% then you could see better numbers from FS.
BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING USE FS GLYPH OVER WF (or vice versa)! I'm just stating what is giving such varied numbers from shaman 1's gear as compared to shaman 2's gear. Basically there will be no clear winner unless your spell crit exceeds X% to give it more DPS than the WF glyph. No number crunching involed, just basic logic.
I felt i had to state this on the basis of shamans disagreeing, before you compare numbers, compare gear. As always as well, be sure to take into your full raid buffs, they potentially can make a huge difference.
PS: FS coefficient might need updating, 6 ticks now instead of 4.
Glyph of Windfury increases the chance for your windfury weapon to proc by 2%, excluding internal cool down. Thus WF is going to scale directly off your melee crit chance with a SLIGHTLY increased chance to proc.
Glyph of Flame Strike gives your flame shock ticks a chance to crit. This is going to scale based off your spell crit chance.
In essence, if your melee crit is decent, 40% raid buffed, but your spell crit is low, 20%. More than likely you will see better numbers from the WF glyph. While if your spell crit chance is moderately higher raid buffed, 35% then you could see better numbers from FS.
BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING USE FS GLYPH OVER WF (or vice versa)! I'm just stating what is giving such varied numbers from shaman 1's gear as compared to shaman 2's gear. Basically there will be no clear winner unless your spell crit exceeds X% to give it more DPS than the WF glyph. No number crunching involed, just basic logic.
I felt i had to state this on the basis of shamans disagreeing, before you compare numbers, compare gear. As always as well, be sure to take into your full raid buffs, they potentially can make a huge difference.
PS: FS coefficient might need updating, 6 ticks now instead of 4.
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Originally Posted by Ciege
Heres the big thing about comparing the LL glyph with the WF glyph. WF glyph WILL NOT scale in the same manner as LL will. Will it scale? Yes of course, everything pretty much scales outside of buffs. The difference is how the glyphs work.
Glyph of Windfury increases the chance for your windfury weapon to proc by 2%, excluding internal cool down. Thus WF is going to scale directly off your melee crit chance with a SLIGHTLY increased chance to proc. Glyph of Flame Strike gives your flame shock ticks a chance to crit. This is going to scale based off your spell crit chance. In essence, if your melee crit is decent, 40% raid buffed, but your spell crit is low, 20%. More than likely you will see better numbers from the WF glyph. While if your spell crit chance is moderately higher raid buffed, 35% then you could see better numbers from FS. BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING USE FS GLYPH OVER WF (or vice versa)! I'm just stating what is giving such varied numbers from shaman 1's gear as compared to shaman 2's gear. Basically there will be no clear winner unless your spell crit exceeds X% to give it more DPS than the WF glyph. No number crunching involed, just basic logic. I felt i had to state this on the basis of shamans disagreeing, before you compare numbers, compare gear. As always as well, be sure to take into your full raid buffs, they potentially can make a huge difference. PS: FS coefficient might need updating, 6 ticks now instead of 4. |
1. Flame Shock coefficient didn't change. All they did was add an additional 2 ticks at the same exact amount as the previous ticks, basically just incorporating the old flame shock glyph directly into the spell.
2. Windfury Glyph scales very well since we have a few other mechanics that it affects. When WF procs it is 2 additional melee attacks and we have a couple of abilities that proc off melee hits, namely static shock and maelstrom weapon.
3. Do you really think that crit is the only thing that Windfury scales off of? See point 2 and realize that more WF procs also equals more lightning bolts and also realize that Windfury scales incredibly well off of AP too.
I know there was some talk about representing the FS changes in the current version of the sim. The logical change would be to add 2 Piece elemental t8, and add the old flame shock glyph. But the sim isn't recognizing worldbreaker_garb_2 for me. I know that t7 and t9 are both usable as naxx_nuker and t9_regalia. Is the t8 elemental set in there under a different name? Or did it just never get coded in?
I'm using 1.8.3.3a.
Unrelated side note going back to a few pages ago: Levva, the new FS dot bar is great. It is incredibly useful, thanks!
I'm using 1.8.3.3a.
Unrelated side note going back to a few pages ago: Levva, the new FS dot bar is great. It is incredibly useful, thanks!
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Originally Posted by Cochice
I know there was some talk about representing the FS changes in the current version of the sim. The logical change would be to add 2 Piece elemental t8, and add the old flame shock glyph. But the sim isn't recognizing worldbreaker_garb_2 for me. I know that t7 and t9 are both usable as naxx_nuker and t9_regalia. Is the t8 elemental set in there under a different name? Or did it just never get coded in?
I'm using 1.8.3.3a. Unrelated side note going back to a few pages ago: Levva, the new FS dot bar is great. It is incredibly useful, thanks! |
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
If you are getting haste EP values with a range of 0.02 up to 3.4 then you are doing something wrong. You should probably focus more on figuring that out then figuring out how haste's value relates to hit's value. That has never been a topic of interest to anyone anyway, as far as I can tell, with the debate about haste being centered around it's relative value to AP not to Hit.
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Originally Posted by Lokin
It seems that I failed to explain my problem properly but this was actually supposed to be the point. Until ~20% haste the sim provided me with pretty conservative EP-Values for all stats, meaning hit ~1.5, crit ~1.7, int ~1.5, haste ~1.8, ap 1.0 etc. But after 20% haste the mess began. The values were ranging from 0.1-3.5 going up to 28% haste in 0.5% steps (I actually did 2-3 100k h sims per 0.5% step). Since I did not change anything (raidbuffs, prioritylist, etc) between those simulations and considering the fact that all other stats except of haste did not change their value (well +-0.5 due to sim) I thought maybe haste ranges >20% cause problems in the sim. The choice of comparing haste to hit (in contrary to let's say crit or agi) was that, with hit beeing softcapped but not hardcapped, they work pretty similar by adding extra hits to the table. Thus they should(according to my theory of which I am not sure about) scale similar.
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I just created a set in Rawr that prioritizes haste above all else. ToEW, basically all haste gems, Comet's Trail, Quick Dragon's Eyes and Hyperaccelerators. Expertise capped and above the spell hit cap with 798 haste rating which is 31.64% melee haste and then I exported it to EnhSim and ran EP values off it with a 40 step for haste and the EP value for haste came out to 1.63 which is pretty much what I expected. Hit rating with the same step gave a value of 1.87, also pretty much what I expected.
Then I replaced all those haste gems with AP gems dropping the set down to 578 haste rating which is 22.92% melee haste and reran EP values using the same steps. EP value for haste for that set shows 1.74 and the value for hit shows at 1.97 so I'm thinking you are doing something wrong since both of these runs were done above 20% haste with pretty divergent values and yet the EP values are remarkably similar.
Are you making sure to increase melee and spell haste by proper amounts? Keep in mind that we get 25% more melee haste per rating point then spell haste so if you are increasing them both by equal amounts you are giving the sim improper information.
EP Values vs. Simming
Hey guys,
Sorry for the elementary question here, but I'm new to using EnhSim and was hoping someone could help. I recently got an upgrade with an empty gem slot. For most of the other classes I have played, gemming is pretty straightforward. For my Survival Hunter, it's just Meta requirements and then Agi, Agi, and more Agi. However, Enhancement Shaman (as I'm sure you all know) are a bit unique in that Haste and AP seem to be very competitive with each other.
I followed the instructions I found and loaded my character into EnhSim. I did two different things:
1) I ran a bunch of simulations, manually adjusting my stats (I left the gem slot empty) to simulate the difference between a Haste and AP gem. In these simulations, Haste came out slightly ahead.
2) I ran "Calculate EP values" to see what would happen. In these numbers, it showed AP = 1.0, Crit = 2.30, Agi = 1.93, Haste = 1.75.
Questions:
- Is method #1 the "preferred way" to figure out the best gem?
- For the EP values, it showed a very high value for Crit and even Agi, yet I have found very little to support that any serious Enhance Shaman are gemming that way. Also, is 1.0 for AP expected?
Thanks!
Sorry for the elementary question here, but I'm new to using EnhSim and was hoping someone could help. I recently got an upgrade with an empty gem slot. For most of the other classes I have played, gemming is pretty straightforward. For my Survival Hunter, it's just Meta requirements and then Agi, Agi, and more Agi. However, Enhancement Shaman (as I'm sure you all know) are a bit unique in that Haste and AP seem to be very competitive with each other.
I followed the instructions I found and loaded my character into EnhSim. I did two different things:
1) I ran a bunch of simulations, manually adjusting my stats (I left the gem slot empty) to simulate the difference between a Haste and AP gem. In these simulations, Haste came out slightly ahead.
2) I ran "Calculate EP values" to see what would happen. In these numbers, it showed AP = 1.0, Crit = 2.30, Agi = 1.93, Haste = 1.75.
Questions:
- Is method #1 the "preferred way" to figure out the best gem?
- For the EP values, it showed a very high value for Crit and even Agi, yet I have found very little to support that any serious Enhance Shaman are gemming that way. Also, is 1.0 for AP expected?
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Klillestol
Hey guys,
Sorry for the elementary question here, but I'm new to using EnhSim and was hoping someone could help. I recently got an upgrade with an empty gem slot. For most of the other classes I have played, gemming is pretty straightforward. For my Survival Hunter, it's just Meta requirements and then Agi, Agi, and more Agi. However, Enhancement Shaman (as I'm sure you all know) are a bit unique in that Haste and AP seem to be very competitive with each other. I followed the instructions I found and loaded my character into EnhSim. I did two different things: 1) I ran a bunch of simulations, manually adjusting my stats (I left the gem slot empty) to simulate the difference between a Haste and AP gem. In these simulations, Haste came out slightly ahead. 2) I ran "Calculate EP values" to see what would happen. In these numbers, it showed AP = 1.0, Crit = 2.30, Agi = 1.93, Haste = 1.75. Questions: - Is method #1 the "preferred way" to figure out the best gem? - For the EP values, it showed a very high value for Crit and even Agi, yet I have found very little to support that any serious Enhance Shaman are gemming that way. Also, is 1.0 for AP expected? Thanks! |
Oh, and AP will always be worth 1. It is the stat that all EP ratings are scaling off of. EP stands for "equivalency points" iirc, and in your example above, 1 haste is equivalent to 1.75 AP.
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Originally Posted by Klillestol
I followed the instructions I found and loaded my character into EnhSim. I did two different things:
1) I ran a bunch of simulations, manually adjusting my stats (I left the gem slot empty) to simulate the difference between a Haste and AP gem. In these simulations, Haste came out slightly ahead. 2) I ran "Calculate EP values" to see what would happen. In these numbers, it showed AP = 1.0, Crit = 2.30, Agi = 1.93, Haste = 1.75. Questions: - Is method #1 the "preferred way" to figure out the best gem? - For the EP values, it showed a very high value for Crit and even Agi, yet I have found very little to support that any serious Enhance Shaman are gemming that way. Also, is 1.0 for AP expected? Thanks! |
The bold part I think is important. EP works ok as a general guide for both gear and gem selection. But because of how EP is calculated it will always be better to sim different gear/gem sets and compare the results to get an idea of which is better for your gear setup. Because each piece of gear comes with 5 or 6 different stats on it, changing even a single piece of gear can have an impact on the EP calculation.
If you want accurate information about how a piece of gear or gem change will effect your dps use the sim. If you want a rough estimate for quick and dirty changes use EP. Just be aware that using EP may result in less optimal results because of how EP fluctuates with changes to your gear setup.
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Originally Posted by Klillestol
Hey guys,
Sorry for the elementary question here, but I'm new to using EnhSim and was hoping someone could help. I recently got an upgrade with an empty gem slot. For most of the other classes I have played, gemming is pretty straightforward. For my Survival Hunter, it's just Meta requirements and then Agi, Agi, and more Agi. However, Enhancement Shaman (as I'm sure you all know) are a bit unique in that Haste and AP seem to be very competitive with each other. I followed the instructions I found and loaded my character into EnhSim. I did two different things: 1) I ran a bunch of simulations, manually adjusting my stats (I left the gem slot empty) to simulate the difference between a Haste and AP gem. In these simulations, Haste came out slightly ahead. 2) I ran "Calculate EP values" to see what would happen. In these numbers, it showed AP = 1.0, Crit = 2.30, Agi = 1.93, Haste = 1.75. Questions: - Is method #1 the "preferred way" to figure out the best gem? - For the EP values, it showed a very high value for Crit and even Agi, yet I have found very little to support that any serious Enhance Shaman are gemming that way. Also, is 1.0 for AP expected? Thanks! |
Number 2 is an acceptable way to find your best choice for gemming given your current gear. As soon as you swap your gear, though, your numbers will very likely change.
[e] Enkeedu beat me to it, I'm not sure how I missed that post.
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I'm beginning to wonder if the EP values are actually indicative to what is an actual upgrade stat wise. After simming several notable players stats - at least those that are stacking haste - I find that their haste EP drops well below 2.0 and in some cases as low as 1.6 per point. Strangely enough, replacing one 20 haste gem at a time with 40 ap results in a lower overall simulated DPS while replacing 1 40 ap gem with 1 20 haste gem results in a higher simulated dps. This seems to completely contradict what ep values the sim is actually giving us. Even with the BiS setup with ep ranges set at default, haste was only returning a 2.08 EP value!!
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
I'm beginning to wonder if the EP values are actually indicative to what is an actual upgrade stat wise. After simming several notable players stats - at least those that are stacking haste - I find that their haste EP drops well below 2.0 and in some cases as low as 1.6 per point. Strangely enough, replacing one 20 haste gem at a time with 40 ap results in a lower overall simulated DPS while replacing 1 40 ap gem with 1 20 haste gem results in a higher simulated dps. This seems to completely contradict what ep values the sim is actually giving us. Even with the BiS setup with ep ranges set at default, haste was only returning a 2.08 EP value!!
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Has Anyone done any Simulating to see how good the tier 8 4 set bonus if its worth keeping till you get the T9 4set cause the t9 2set is complete fail. I have tried it with and without having that set bonus by switching out my tier pants for emblem ones and the only real difference is 2% crit for 2% haste and the set bonus of course. I havent seen any major DPS changes but maybe I am just over looking stuff...Any ideas would be great...thanks in advance
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Originally Posted by Cochice
I stopped trusting the sim's value of haste on any matter. In game I treat it equal to AP when comparing pieces (pawn value of 2). Even though my current value is technically 2.64. I just figure it's a good stat when we can get it, but going out of your way to gear for it isn't beneficial. Wonky stat is wonky.
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
I'm beginning to wonder if the EP values are actually indicative to what is an actual upgrade stat wise. After simming several notable players stats - at least those that are stacking haste - I find that their haste EP drops well below 2.0 and in some cases as low as 1.6 per point. Strangely enough, replacing one 20 haste gem at a time with 40 ap results in a lower overall simulated DPS while replacing 1 40 ap gem with 1 20 haste gem results in a higher simulated dps. This seems to completely contradict what ep values the sim is actually giving us. Even with the BiS setup with ep ranges set at default, haste was only returning a 2.08 EP value!!
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Originally Posted by Ryethe
You're using EP wrong. EP tells you what would happen if you added X of Y stat on top of what your current gearset gives. It's not going to tell you how to switch your gems. That's what RAWR and export to EnhSim is for. Also the default EP step for haste is 30 whereas the gem you're adding is 20.
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But you dont have to take my word for it. Simply remove the haste gems from the BiS setup and replace them with 40 ap gems 1 at a time and sim for EP. Remarkable watching haste stay below 2.0 throughout most of the transition yet apparently resulting in higher dps.
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Has anyone else been getting crazy numbers for intelligence? Mine is currently 4.25 which seems way out compared to crit of 1.98 and haste of 1.75.
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Originally Posted by Gak
Has anyone else been getting crazy numbers for intelligence? Mine is currently 4.25 which seems way out compared to crit of 1.98 and haste of 1.75.
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Originally Posted by Cochice
I stopped trusting the sim's value of haste on any matter. In game I treat it equal to AP when comparing pieces (pawn value of 2). Even though my current value is technically 2.64. I just figure it's a good stat when we can get it, but going out of your way to gear for it isn't beneficial. Wonky stat is wonky.
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The bottom line here is that EP values are currently not what they once were. Back in the olden days we were able to state this is the EP values for T1, T2 etc. Even up to T6 gear we were able to give fairly sensible static values for EP so it was dead easy to compare gear you simply multiplied up the stats and compared two EP totals.
Then came WotLK and haste effects. Over the last year it has become painfully apparent that we cannot give a fixed set of EP values and hence the oft repeated mantra "You have to sim it for yourself". EP values were removed from the TTT and the mantra firmly took its place. Yet still people clinged to the notion that they could simply multiply up the stats to compare two items. Worse still people still cling to the ooohh stat X has > 2 EP I better "stack" that stat. This usually led to wild re-gemming/re-enchanting for the new stat costing hundreds of gold, often with disappointing results.
Now we are gradually coming to the realisation that doing any form of EP value stat comparison is really quite a bad idea given the current volatility of haste etc. The biggest issue is that the amount of effort it takes to work out how best to set up your gear. To setup the sim for multiple runs takes a lot of calculation. Doing this manually is a pain as it takes ages to switch around even a gem or two and re-run the results, Rawr's export helps of course and takes the tedium out of it and reduces the opportunity for errors to slip in. The other option is Rawr's optimiser and this is amazing, the issue is that the underlying calculations are decent but not as sound or as thorough as EnhSim.
So what to do? Personally I've given up entirely on using EP values. What I do is to use Rawr to predict optimisation of current gear and then CHECK the suggestion using Export to EnhSim. The ability of Rawr to hone in on a best setup is wonderful, if only EnhSim could have this feature or I could get Rawr to make a call to EnhSim as a dll so that its optimiaser was using EnhSim to calc the dps.
Perhaps this is a longer term goal? Add an option to EnhSim for a direct API call and provide a EnhSim.dll compiled from the current code. Then in Rawr I could add an option that the optimiser would make an API call with the config it wanted to test. The big issue is that it would take upwards of several hours to run. Rawr's optimiser runs several thousand possible combos of gear to find an optimal set. Running the sim a few thousand times even with a low 1000h config is going to take ages.
Then came WotLK and haste effects. Over the last year it has become painfully apparent that we cannot give a fixed set of EP values and hence the oft repeated mantra "You have to sim it for yourself". EP values were removed from the TTT and the mantra firmly took its place. Yet still people clinged to the notion that they could simply multiply up the stats to compare two items. Worse still people still cling to the ooohh stat X has > 2 EP I better "stack" that stat. This usually led to wild re-gemming/re-enchanting for the new stat costing hundreds of gold, often with disappointing results.
Now we are gradually coming to the realisation that doing any form of EP value stat comparison is really quite a bad idea given the current volatility of haste etc. The biggest issue is that the amount of effort it takes to work out how best to set up your gear. To setup the sim for multiple runs takes a lot of calculation. Doing this manually is a pain as it takes ages to switch around even a gem or two and re-run the results, Rawr's export helps of course and takes the tedium out of it and reduces the opportunity for errors to slip in. The other option is Rawr's optimiser and this is amazing, the issue is that the underlying calculations are decent but not as sound or as thorough as EnhSim.
So what to do? Personally I've given up entirely on using EP values. What I do is to use Rawr to predict optimisation of current gear and then CHECK the suggestion using Export to EnhSim. The ability of Rawr to hone in on a best setup is wonderful, if only EnhSim could have this feature or I could get Rawr to make a call to EnhSim as a dll so that its optimiaser was using EnhSim to calc the dps.
Perhaps this is a longer term goal? Add an option to EnhSim for a direct API call and provide a EnhSim.dll compiled from the current code. Then in Rawr I could add an option that the optimiser would make an API call with the config it wanted to test. The big issue is that it would take upwards of several hours to run. Rawr's optimiser runs several thousand possible combos of gear to find an optimal set. Running the sim a few thousand times even with a low 1000h config is going to take ages.
I've always used EnhSim rather than Rawr to generate EPs and then use Pawn to compare gear and upgrades. And I have always gemmed for straight AP once hit and exp capped as Enhsim never gave me a EP higher than 2.0 for any stat when I used a range the same as the total stat gain form all of my sockets.
Rawr optimiser really seems to favour hit and haste though over AP and crit which are my two highest EPs otherwise. From your above post Levva, would I be best following what Rawr says then?
Rawr optimiser really seems to favour hit and haste though over AP and crit which are my two highest EPs otherwise. From your above post Levva, would I be best following what Rawr says then?
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
Right. And adding 20 haste seems to be doing more for my sim than adding 40 ap, despite it having a lower EP value. Not only that, but I refuse to believe that the simulator's haste value is the 'prefect' haste value needed before it goes under 2.0 again. Blizzard is not that prescient.
But you dont have to take my word for it. Simply remove the haste gems from the BiS setup and replace them with 40 ap gems 1 at a time and sim for EP. Remarkable watching haste stay below 2.0 throughout most of the transition yet apparently resulting in higher dps. |
Also, you have to understand EP is derived from DPS so saying the "DPS value of haste is high, even though the ep is low" makes absolutely no sense. I showed a while back that there is nothing wrong with the DPS calculations brought forth using the Calculate EP Button. It was giving the same DPS on the base and EP stat calcs as it would if I manually added those stats and did a normal sim.
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Originally Posted by Xiaoang
I've always used EnhSim rather than Rawr to generate EPs and then use Pawn to compare gear and upgrades. And I have always gemmed for straight AP once hit and exp capped as Enhsim never gave me a EP higher than 2.0 for any stat when I used a range the same as the total stat gain form all of my sockets.
Rawr optimiser really seems to favour hit and haste though over AP and crit which are my two highest EPs otherwise. From your above post Levva, would I be best following what Rawr says then? |
If you assume that the EP values display doesn't exist at all in Rawr you are going to get dramatically better results than if you even glance at it. Bottom line NEVER EVER use Rawr for EP values. EP values are crap at the best of times Rawr ones I never look at and would advise you do the same. Note the massive red disclaimer text saying DON'T rely on this.
If you really really really can't do without the crutch of EP values and you simply must delude yourself that they are meaningful then stick to EnhSim's EP values results.
Your gearing would be significantly better if you just ran EnhSim to get DPS results and ignored EP values as a quaint relic of past times.
Rawr's Optimiser
Perhaps its worth clearing up how this works. What Rawr does for ANY gear setup is to run through a full set of calculations, eg: amount of hit,miss etc for white dmg, yellow dmg, spells etc. crit rates, talent effects proc chances etc. At the core of the code is effectively a routine that takes a set of Stats and returns a dps value. The set of stats is made up of the gear + gems + enchants + buffs.
Now the graphs you see in Rawr - eg: showing the head slot items. What it does is get a Stats object with your current gear, gems etc and assumes your head slot is empty. It calls the dps routine and gets a value. This is the base value with that slot empty. It then looks at all the head slot items with relevant stats (ie: AP, hit, crit, Agi etc and ignores things like spirit) and it generates a new Stats object for your gear + the item. It runs the dps routine and gets a new value. Subtracting base value from the new value gets a dps figure for that new item. THIS is the number you see in the chart.
It does this for every item in your item cache. So if you see 40 items in the head slot chart it ran the sim 41 times. A base calc + 40 sims one for each item. This is surprising to most people as its really quite fast.
The optimiser works in exactly the same way. You mark the items, gems, enchants etc that you have available (in bags/bank/known skills etc) anything that you want to swap around to possibly improve your current setup. It does a base calc first, then tries lots of different combos of gear. Each and every combo it tries it does a FULL sim of and gets back a dps figure. The calculation is the same its just different gear its trying.
It works on the basis of honing in on what combo of gear is giving the best result. Each time it changes something its trying to get closer and closer to an optimum set from what is available. This often means it does a few thousand runs of the sim from start to finish. Each one on a slightly different setup each one generating a new dps figure. When its done it presents the result.
Now at present there seems to be a bug that at certain points suddenly makes hit seem to be the stat that gives higher dps. I suspect this is to do with a rounding error but as yet I haven't found the issue. The point is when its found the optimiser will still do exactly what it did in the past. ie: run the sim thousands of times. It will still pick the gear with the highest dps. Its just that the gear it uses will not have the bug with hit.
Note that NOTHING in this process involved EP values at any stage. RAWR DOES NOT USE EP VALUES AT ALL. In fact neither does EnhSim.
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Originally Posted by Levva
If Astrylian the Rawr creator had his way the EP values tab would completely disappear, unfortunately he doesn't get rid of it because of the wailing and gnashing of teeth he fears from users if he did.
If you assume that the EP values display doesn't exist at all in Rawr you are going to get dramatically better results than if you even glance at it. Bottom line NEVER EVER use Rawr for EP values. EP values are crap at the best of times Rawr ones I never look at and would advise you do the same. Note the massive red disclaimer text saying DON'T rely on this. If you really really really can't do without the crutch of EP values and you simply must delude yourself that they are meaningful then stick to EnhSim's EP values results. Your gearing would be significantly better if you just ran EnhSim to get DPS results and ignored EP values as a quaint relic of past times. |
EP isn't magic numbers that solves your DPS and gearing issues instantly. It's not silly digits drawn randomly from a hat to delude people into thinking "stat X gud" either. EP is stat weighing based on DPS gains by introducing more of said stat. And that's it. Any added problems due to this, like removing another stat, reaching a soft/hard cap, diminishing returns and whatnot, are problems outside of actual EP. Yes, it's too bad that gear doesn't come as stat X+5% as EP would be a lot easier but that's just not how itemization is. Yes, it's far better to calculate individual sets and see how that affects your personal DPS. Yes, EP just shows trends in stat weighing. But this is known factors for a lot of us. We know of EP's limitations and keep them in mind when working with EP. So for all that do this, you propose removing the only source of looking at all gear to see trends in upgrade paths, just to get what? Shots in the dark with Rawr exports into EnhSim? Rawr has to use something to weigh gear and EnhSim takes too long to individually calculate sets.
Warning newbes is fine. Explaining the shortcomings of EP to people that don't understanding it is fine. Spreading FUD about EP is not fine.
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Originally Posted by Raut
Rawr has to use something to weigh gear
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The difference between the two and the reason the EnhSim is dramatically more accurate is that EnhSim actually does step by step blow by blow calculations as if you were in actual combat, and runs this over thousands of hours of simulated combat. Rawr by comparison uses the same formulae and the same calculations but assumes that if something procs 50% of the time to give 100AP then the average AP it will give is 50.
Both sims use the same calculations, both give similar results, both work out EP values in exactly the same manner. EnhSim takes longer because its doing a proper genuine simulation, Rawr on the other hand is using averages so that it gets the result really quickly. In neither sim are EP values used to work out DPS they never have been and never will be.
I do take on board your comments about what EP values are but seriously extremely few people actually understand that. The vast majority of people time and time again assume they can get a set of EP values and that tells them how to gear/gem/enchant.
In fact the most common misconception is still very true, people will still try to multiply up the stats on one item with their EP values and compare it to the multiplied up stats on another item. This was fine when EP values were static it simply isn't viable these days and produces some very misleading results. We do seem to agree on this.
Whilst I do appreciate that FUD is perhaps unwelcome. We do need a massive amount of re-education about what EP values actually are. In that vein encouraging people to simply use EnhSim to get their dps values change their gear and run it again to get a new dps value is far far better than ever speaking about EP values.
EPs are fine for guiding you but shouldn't be used these days to actually compare items. They are just too unreliable for accurate comparisons especially where haste is involved.
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Please don't take bits out of context like that. It looks like I'm implying that Rawr uses EP or something like it with your comment.
I understand the fundamentals of Rawr. It's a solid tool of those specs that are fully supported. We both know this isn't happening with enhance anytime soon. Your approach to a hybrid (pun not intended) solution with Rawr and EnhSim looks really good and is a step up from basic EnhSim. I really mean that.
What grinds my gears is that EP is blamed for ignorant and/or stupid people. I know that 90+% of all EP discussions are simply a waste of time as the person asking them should stay the fuck away from EP all together. I'm just not happy losing this tool because of said people.
An example of how EP is pretty nifty compared to raw DPS comparisons:
You progress through tier X and gain the usual stats, little to no haste. EP is a,b,c, etc. You enter tier X+1 and gain some more of the usual stats and some haste. EP suddenly change and give haste a new value of, say, 1.8 EP up from 1.1. In your Rawr gear comparison window, you don't see this. Your gems may still be hit for yellow and your gear is a mix of most beneficial stats. You're not aware that haste is potentially up to take over AP in pure DPS. You'll still find the BiS gear by Rawr/EnhSim if your checklist is long enough, so that's not the problem. But you've lost the ability to see the stat trend. The next run you do may change all your gems to haste and you never saw it coming.
I understand the fundamentals of Rawr. It's a solid tool of those specs that are fully supported. We both know this isn't happening with enhance anytime soon. Your approach to a hybrid (pun not intended) solution with Rawr and EnhSim looks really good and is a step up from basic EnhSim. I really mean that.
What grinds my gears is that EP is blamed for ignorant and/or stupid people. I know that 90+% of all EP discussions are simply a waste of time as the person asking them should stay the fuck away from EP all together. I'm just not happy losing this tool because of said people.
An example of how EP is pretty nifty compared to raw DPS comparisons:
You progress through tier X and gain the usual stats, little to no haste. EP is a,b,c, etc. You enter tier X+1 and gain some more of the usual stats and some haste. EP suddenly change and give haste a new value of, say, 1.8 EP up from 1.1. In your Rawr gear comparison window, you don't see this. Your gems may still be hit for yellow and your gear is a mix of most beneficial stats. You're not aware that haste is potentially up to take over AP in pure DPS. You'll still find the BiS gear by Rawr/EnhSim if your checklist is long enough, so that's not the problem. But you've lost the ability to see the stat trend. The next run you do may change all your gems to haste and you never saw it coming.
In your example what you would see is in Rawr it suddenly re-optimising your gear for haste. It sounds like you haven't really used Rawr all that much. Its primary benefit is in the optimiser which looks at thousands of possible combos of items/gems/enchants etc you mark as available and works out the highest dps combo. This is an amazingly good part of the program. Even if you didn't run the optimiser all the graphs would show gemmings suggesting higher dps from haste. This works only if you have turned on show gemming combos.
It also sounds like you haven't used it much lately its come on leaps and bounds in the last month or so and gives pretty damned good results at present. There is always issues of course - the same is true of EnhSim (just look at its issue tracker), however I do my best to solve these as and when people point them out. The sanity check of exporting data to EnhSim is of course something I'd expect every elitist jerk reader to be doing and not just relying on Rawr's closed solution methodology.
I'd agree that we shouldn't entirely abandon EP values. However I'd like to see a re-focusing of attention away from them towards iterative solutions and graphing. The new graph features added to Enhsim should help this. The aim is to find any local maximums/minimums that might exist with stats close to what you currently have equipped. This would then give a visual representation that by changing stats from X to Y you would get a dps increase.
I totally agree we should have a means of seeing where small changes to gear might give decent returns, EP values have too much baggage for this in my view and so alternatives should be found. This does NOT mean dropping the idea all together is what I am after. I suspect you are taking my antipathy to the way people treat EP values (note not the values themselves) as meaning I want no method of indicating what direction to take to improve our gear. This isn't true.
It also sounds like you haven't used it much lately its come on leaps and bounds in the last month or so and gives pretty damned good results at present. There is always issues of course - the same is true of EnhSim (just look at its issue tracker), however I do my best to solve these as and when people point them out. The sanity check of exporting data to EnhSim is of course something I'd expect every elitist jerk reader to be doing and not just relying on Rawr's closed solution methodology.
I'd agree that we shouldn't entirely abandon EP values. However I'd like to see a re-focusing of attention away from them towards iterative solutions and graphing. The new graph features added to Enhsim should help this. The aim is to find any local maximums/minimums that might exist with stats close to what you currently have equipped. This would then give a visual representation that by changing stats from X to Y you would get a dps increase.
I totally agree we should have a means of seeing where small changes to gear might give decent returns, EP values have too much baggage for this in my view and so alternatives should be found. This does NOT mean dropping the idea all together is what I am after. I suspect you are taking my antipathy to the way people treat EP values (note not the values themselves) as meaning I want no method of indicating what direction to take to improve our gear. This isn't true.
Levva - You mentioned a graphing feature within Enhsim, but this is the first I have seem mention of this. Is this in a dev version that has not been released to the general public? I was unable to locate any tickets or description of this on the codeplex site.
I would love to see a graphed EP chart. I expect though that it is going to take a pretty significant rewrite to be able to do that in its current state. I was going to suggest it for jEnhSim as that would be a much more probably place for implementation.
Either way, if it makes it's way into the current incarnation, it will solve a lot of the uncertainty I've had about gemming for AP vs Haste.
Either way, if it makes it's way into the current incarnation, it will solve a lot of the uncertainty I've had about gemming for AP vs Haste.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
1. Flame Shock coefficient didn't change. All they did was add an additional 2 ticks at the same exact amount as the previous ticks, basically just incorporating the old flame shock glyph directly into the spell.
2. Windfury Glyph scales very well since we have a few other mechanics that it affects. When WF procs it is 2 additional melee attacks and we have a couple of abilities that proc off melee hits, namely static shock and maelstrom weapon. 3. Do you really think that crit is the only thing that Windfury scales off of? See point 2 and realize that more WF procs also equals more lightning bolts and also realize that Windfury scales incredibly well off of AP too. |
While all shocks have cool downs, Flame Shock has a dot time of 18 seconds, so even while on cool down it still doing damage, and allows you to use Earth shock and Maelstrom Weapon charges for Lightning Bolt.
What i was REALLY saying is the comparison of which glyph is going to be better will be based off your Melee Crit chance VS your Spell Crit Chance, raid buffed. Low spell crit means the dot ticks will have less of a chance to crit, thus the value of this glyph will be lower. I'm not mentioning your melee crit here because more than likely it will be quite high most of the time during raids.
In testing of this glyph, I have found it to provide me a DPS increase in 25 mans, where i have a more raid buffs, and not as much in 10 mans. Still have to do more testing of course but this is just what I have found so far.
PS: Please pardon grammer and spelling ive been awake for all of 10 minutes now.
I think abandoning EP values over more sophisticated ways to calculate upgrades in gear seems a bit trivial. I mean, item upgrade choices usually dont have many options on what we want anyway. Let's say you have Belt of Dragons and the 245 level belt dropped (belt of Deathly dominion). You are going to take it because the stat difference is massive (so its surely an upgrade even if minimal) and there isnt really any other choice. So if you actually did a pretty intelligent theorycrafting you are pidgeon-holed in a single item and your calculations didn't provide any real results.
About gemming, we have around 12-14 gem slots average. Lets say the educated person used his real calculations and found out that he should gem with some stat that in reality has for example 2.1EP. Another person uses Enhsim EP values that are quite false, so while thinking he is gemming with for example a 2.1EP stat, in reality it has a pretty low 1.6EP.
The first player is gaining 504-588 real EP. The second player because of his ignorance will be gaining 384- 448 EP. The average EP bonus the first player will gain through his hard work is around 130EP, which equals usually to about 1% more DPS. This difference wont even show up in real raid encounters, and this is the maximum that can exist (2.1EP vs 1.6EP is pretty huge).
It seems to me that this game isn't punishing enough people for not being educated and not knowing what they are doing, or looking it on the other side of the coin, it isn't rewarding players very much that actually want to search things a bit more.
Maybe we should just stay with the EP values and focus more on DPS priorities and cycles, where some real difference can be made. But of course it all depends on how much time and thought someone is prepared to invest compared to the results he is getting.
About gemming, we have around 12-14 gem slots average. Lets say the educated person used his real calculations and found out that he should gem with some stat that in reality has for example 2.1EP. Another person uses Enhsim EP values that are quite false, so while thinking he is gemming with for example a 2.1EP stat, in reality it has a pretty low 1.6EP.
The first player is gaining 504-588 real EP. The second player because of his ignorance will be gaining 384- 448 EP. The average EP bonus the first player will gain through his hard work is around 130EP, which equals usually to about 1% more DPS. This difference wont even show up in real raid encounters, and this is the maximum that can exist (2.1EP vs 1.6EP is pretty huge).
It seems to me that this game isn't punishing enough people for not being educated and not knowing what they are doing, or looking it on the other side of the coin, it isn't rewarding players very much that actually want to search things a bit more.
Maybe we should just stay with the EP values and focus more on DPS priorities and cycles, where some real difference can be made. But of course it all depends on how much time and thought someone is prepared to invest compared to the results he is getting.
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Originally Posted by bestpike
I think abandoning EP values over more sophisticated ways to calculate upgrades in gear seems a bit trivial. I mean, item upgrade choices usually dont have many options on what we want anyway. Let's say you have Belt of Dragons and the 245 level belt dropped (belt of Deathly dominion). You are going to take it because the stat difference is massive (so its surely an upgrade even if minimal) and there isnt really any other choice.
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Originally Posted by Krish
I'd disagree a bit here. The 245 Deathly Dominion is, if your EP values are similar to mine, a very very small DPS upgrade (whereas the 258 is BiS and a significant upgrade). Knowing this at a glance, and that say a hunter in your guild gets far more from it, would be a benefit to your guild (and therefore to you) by being a much larger raid DPS upgrade from his belt of dragons. If we really wanted to just say "this is new and from a higher tier of content, it must be an upgrade, /roll", then we wouldn't be discussing it here and spending time trying to understand our own gearing through the sim.
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The belt was meant as an example to show that often there aren't many choices of upgrades anyway and that generally massive stat upgrades won't leave you with lower dps IF your calculations of your EP values are faulty. I never said that someone should decide to take an item because of its higher level.
By the way, how small upgrade of DPS is it? If you could pm me your EP values it would be nice.
Edit: I think the misunderstanding happened because of something i didn't express well. With "You are going to take it because the stat difference is massive (so its surely an upgrade even if minimal)" i meant that "You are probably going to take it because at most occassions the EP value comparison of the two items will show that the 245 belt is better".
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Originally Posted by Levva
Now at present there seems to be a bug that at certain points suddenly makes hit seem to be the stat that gives higher dps. I suspect this is to do with a rounding error but as yet I haven't found the issue. The point is when its found the optimiser will still do exactly what it did in the past. ie: run the sim thousands of times. It will still pick the gear with the highest dps. Its just that the gear it uses will not have the bug with hit. |
I stopped using EP values at the start of Ulduar, largely because I started using RAWR. It just simplified the whole gear decison making process for me. However, with this inflated Hit value I am getting at the moment I am having real difficulties being half way sure as to which way to go at the moment from a gemming point of view. I took the [] (haven't seen the Axe yet) and now I am trying to work out wether to use it in my OH over [Caress of Insanity] But I simply do not trust the inflated hit at the moment. On some optimise runs I am getting Caress as the choice on others the Cudgel but either way inflated hit.
I have often tried explaining to guildies the complexity of working out what is and what is not an upgrade for an Enhancement Shaman and how it seems changing one piece of gear can mean a large regemming excerise.
It would be interesting if anyone would like to armory my profile to see what they get in RAWR because after literally hundreds of RAWR and sim runs over the last two weeks I am spending longer in the sim and RAWR than I am in Ulduar and ToGC put together. This seems some what ironic.
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Not to stray terribly off topic but about your OH slot; I ran into a similar problem several weeks ago when I got the 245 ilevel axe from 25 Anub'arak. I figured it should've been an upgrade over my Caress of Insanity but it didn't sim as being an upgrade. Since the FT coefficient scales up with weapon speed the 2.7 speed Caress will beat any 2.6 speed weapons but 258 ilevel weapons (nothing conclusive on Raging Deathbringer yet though). I don't play an orc however though I would surmise that the 245 axes would probably be a DPS upgrade in your OH if you needed the expertise.
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Brynmor, you are wrong about Caress. Even for non-orcs, the ilevel 245 axe from HAnub-10 is the superior weapon. Most likely your misinformation is because you are not changing your offhand speed to account for the bug with matched weapons and Flurry charges in the sim.
Change your offhand to 2.71 and rerun your sims and you will see the axe show up as a better option.
Running your profile through EnhSim I get 8235.94 when the speed is kept matching. This drops to 8199.77 when you unmatch the offhand speed to 2.71 Loading up the Axe and sticking a 20 expertise gem in it (slightly under the expertise cap but more relevant without regemming things) EnhSim shows 8220.59dps.
Until the sim gets fixed always make sure to unmatch your weapon speeds.
Change your offhand to 2.71 and rerun your sims and you will see the axe show up as a better option.
Running your profile through EnhSim I get 8235.94 when the speed is kept matching. This drops to 8199.77 when you unmatch the offhand speed to 2.71 Loading up the Axe and sticking a 20 expertise gem in it (slightly under the expertise cap but more relevant without regemming things) EnhSim shows 8220.59dps.
Until the sim gets fixed always make sure to unmatch your weapon speeds.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Brynmor, you are wrong about Caress. Even for non-orcs, the ilevel 245 axe from HAnub-10 is the superior weapon. Most likely your misinformation is because you are not changing your offhand speed to account for the bug with matched weapons and Flurry charges in the sim.
Change your offhand to 2.71 and rerun your sims and you will see the axe show up as a better option. Running your profile through EnhSim I get 8235.94 when the speed is kept matching. This drops to 8199.77 when you unmatch the offhand speed to 2.71 Loading up the Axe and sticking a 20 expertise gem in it (slightly under the expertise cap but more relevant without regemming things) EnhSim shows 8220.59dps. Until the sim gets fixed always make sure to unmatch your weapon speeds. |
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Originally Posted by Bigbare
I think Brynmor is referring to [Hellscream Slicer].
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Originally Posted by Brynmor
Since the FT coefficient scales up with weapon speed the 2.7 speed Caress will beat any 2.6 speed weapons but 258 ilevel weapons
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Originally Posted by frozndevl
Levva - You mentioned a graphing feature within Enhsim, but this is the first I have seem mention of this. Is this in a dev version that has not been released to the general public? I was unable to locate any tickets or description of this on the codeplex site.
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Originally Posted by bestpike
I think abandoning EP values over more sophisticated ways to calculate upgrades in gear seems a bit trivial. I mean, item upgrade choices usually dont have many options on what we want anyway. Let's say you have Belt of Dragons and the 245 level belt dropped (belt of Deathly dominion). You are going to take it because the stat difference is massive (so its surely an upgrade even if minimal) and there isnt really any other choice. So if you actually did a pretty intelligent theorycrafting you are pidgeon-holed in a single item and your calculations didn't provide any real results.
About gemming, we have around 12-14 gem slots average. Lets say the educated person used his real calculations and found out that he should gem with some stat that in reality has for example 2.1EP. Another person uses Enhsim EP values that are quite false, so while thinking he is gemming with for example a 2.1EP stat, in reality it has a pretty low 1.6EP. The first player is gaining 504-588 real EP. The second player because of his ignorance will be gaining 384- 448 EP. The average EP bonus the first player will gain through his hard work is around 130EP, which equals usually to about 1% more DPS. This difference wont even show up in real raid encounters, and this is the maximum that can exist (2.1EP vs 1.6EP is pretty huge). It seems to me that this game isn't punishing enough people for not being educated and not knowing what they are doing, or looking it on the other side of the coin, it isn't rewarding players very much that actually want to search things a bit more. Maybe we should just stay with the EP values and focus more on DPS priorities and cycles, where some real difference can be made. But of course it all depends on how much time and thought someone is prepared to invest compared to the results he is getting. |
Instead sim start and end states and see how much DPS you gain or lose not how much EP you gain or lose. Using EP values correctly means using them as a guide as to which direction to go in. This is where I think graphs will be better as they could be easier to understand.
I'm not in favour of abandoning the concept of a feature that shows us what direction to go in. I am in favour of abandoning the way EP values are treated at present as the current variability of them means that far too many people fall into the trap of the poster above.
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Originally Posted by Levva
This is EXACTLY a description of someone completely and utterly screwing up and using EP values in the worst possible way. DO NOT multiply EP values together on stats of an item to compare them EP is too variable these days to make that a sensible strategy.
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In theory, every time a potential upgrade drops, I should compare it with my current gear in this fashion. If it ends up not being an upgrade, or if I can see that it will be more beneficial to a hunter or rogue, I pass on it. However there are several pieces of gear for each item slot in any given tier. The combinatorics on this set end up being too big for me to test every possible drop with enhsim. Rawr's genetic algorithm optimizer is great, but its formulae don't have the depth of simulation. The ideal scenario of just grabbing every item on the BiS list is out of the question for me, since my main spec is resto; by guild policy and personal unselfishness I get leftovers that other people don't need.
So, fully aware of the limitations and weaknesses of EP values in the current game, I deliberately use them anyway, in the exact manner you deplore. I'm not going to wait for 9 or 24 other people wait for me to weigh in on loot when we can otherwise spend that time. After I win an item I then of course go through a more rigorous examination with the available tools. Maybe an item isn't an upgrade after all, then I give an Abyssal Crystal to the group. It would have been disenchanted anyway if I didn't want it.
EP isn't the best way to compare gear. No one will argue that. It is, however, a convenient quick and dirty guesstimator. It's fast, and it's usually pretty close.
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Originally Posted by Levva
It is available in change 26691 or later see EnhSim - Source Code for the source code. You will need to compile this source code for it to work. If you don't know how to do that then please wait for the release. I and the other developers will NOT be compiling versions for you sorry.
This is EXACTLY a description of someone completely and utterly screwing up and using EP values in the worst possible way. DO NOT multiply EP values together on stats of an item to compare them EP is too variable these days to make that a sensible strategy. Instead sim start and end states and see how much DPS you gain or lose not how much EP you gain or lose. Using EP values correctly means using them as a guide as to which direction to go in. This is where I think graphs will be better as they could be easier to understand. I'm not in favour of abandoning the concept of a feature that shows us what direction to go in. I am in favour of abandoning the way EP values are treated at present as the current variability of them means that far too many people fall into the trap of the poster above. |
Are they really changing that fast? And if they are, if i upgrade 1 item that is truly an upgrade, that means that on another or more slots because of the changed EP values the BiS items would have changed too. If that is the case the only solution to this problem is creating an application where you are putting various (or even all) items for each slot and then the application will decide what is the best combination for you depending on what items you have availabe. But i think this process is hard and time consuming and for only minimal gains.
bestpike - sounds like you just described the optimizer in rawr. you select (the green diamonds next to gear name) the gear items and run optimizer to select the best item, enchant, and gemming based on its formulae. As Levva as said before, it will go thru all the selections, running them thru the formulae and select the best end result. Also, run that new selection thru the sim to confirm the results. always always always sim to confirm.
side note, EP does change per item change. As it is calculated for the total set as it currently is. Changing one item, changes the result of the EP calculation. For most reliable EP reults, however reliable EP is, it would need to be calculated after each item/enchant/gem change. I personally stay away from EP. And if need be, I will run a quick sim between pulls to see an item drop from a boss is worthwhile.
side note, EP does change per item change. As it is calculated for the total set as it currently is. Changing one item, changes the result of the EP calculation. For most reliable EP reults, however reliable EP is, it would need to be calculated after each item/enchant/gem change. I personally stay away from EP. And if need be, I will run a quick sim between pulls to see an item drop from a boss is worthwhile.
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Originally Posted by bestpike
Levva, you are totally right and i believe most people know that. EP values never show the full true picture. They are constantly changing. But i believe you are taking things a bit too far. You are implying that after 1 or 2 item upgrades the EP values of a player would have changed so much that he is actually making totally wrong decisions on what items are upgrades for him or not.
Are they really changing that fast? And if they are, if i upgrade 1 item that is truly an upgrade, that means that on another or more slots because of the changed EP values the BiS items would have changed too. If that is the case the only solution to this problem is creating an application where you are putting various (or even all) items for each slot and then the application will decide what is the best combination for you depending on what items you have availabe. But i think this process is hard and time consuming and for only minimal gains. |
There are numerous possible fixes for the issue that can be investigated and its not an issue if your gear build doesn't include much haste. However since a large percentage of Enh Shaman as going haste as main stat then it makes sense to warn these people in particular that they MAY be deluding themselves using EP values multiplying them up.
Your suggestion that we need a program where you select each item you have available and all the different gems and enchant and then get the program to work out what combination is the best is EXACTLY what the Rawr Optimiser does. This is why I spend so much time trying to improve its calculations as the optimiser is a fantastic tool that takes a massive amount of work out of trying to decide how to regem to hit caps, up dps etc.
@Jessamy
Perhaps I'm just too organised but I know in advance of a raid which items I could use as an upgrade off which bosses, and encourage all guild members to do the same. If you were in my guild and didn't have a clue if something was an upgrade you'd be told to go get a clue before the next raid or risk losing a spot to someone who came prepared.
The boss loot tables are seriously not that large that its in any way difficult to know which pieces are an upgrade for you. Waiting until an item drops and only then bothering to think about it is slowing down the raid.
I can however fully appreciate that for an offspec this is perhaps above and beyond the call of duty and so can forgive you on that count
EP values are just the partial differentials of the DPS function in [ap, crit, hit, haste, expertise...etc] space, and "normalized" so that the value of AP is 1. This said, given that the appropriate soft caps are reached, only haste has any complex (higher than ~2nd order) interactions with the DPS function over the ranges that we care about - it wouldn't be terribly difficult to reduce the current "EP system" to a less simulator-dependent "Haste-EP system", where we divide the DPS function and its EP values into groups based upon haste rating, splitting around the windfury interaction areas (which are the root cause of the "haste problem").
Within each group of haste %'s, the EP values would be (very) simple functions - AP would be flat, crit would be (approximately) flat or an exponential function given by flurry and E.D., hit would be linearly dependent on haste %, haste would be approximately linear, etc. With the implementation of such a system, it would be possible to move away from EnhSim for all but the most demanding applications, to a spreadsheet-based system, one that most people are capable of understanding and utilizing, and one that is drastically simpler to use. EnhSim would only be needed when moving across haste groups (from one to another) - however since most of our gear doesn't even contain haste, we could do away with the need to sim every time we acquire a new piece. This would be simple enough that it could merit the return of EP values to the TTT, grouped based upon haste ranges and MH weapon speed, with the caveat that using a trinket with a haste proc (Elemental Focus Stone, etc) will distort these EP values.
edit: also note that (given the differential nature of EP values), the value of current haste is at a max/min when the EP value is lowest.
Within each group of haste %'s, the EP values would be (very) simple functions - AP would be flat, crit would be (approximately) flat or an exponential function given by flurry and E.D., hit would be linearly dependent on haste %, haste would be approximately linear, etc. With the implementation of such a system, it would be possible to move away from EnhSim for all but the most demanding applications, to a spreadsheet-based system, one that most people are capable of understanding and utilizing, and one that is drastically simpler to use. EnhSim would only be needed when moving across haste groups (from one to another) - however since most of our gear doesn't even contain haste, we could do away with the need to sim every time we acquire a new piece. This would be simple enough that it could merit the return of EP values to the TTT, grouped based upon haste ranges and MH weapon speed, with the caveat that using a trinket with a haste proc (Elemental Focus Stone, etc) will distort these EP values.
edit: also note that (given the differential nature of EP values), the value of current haste is at a max/min when the EP value is lowest.
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Originally Posted by Levva
For haste, yes sadly they are changing that fast. It has yet to be determined if this is an artefact of using a computer doing perfect priority skills and thus hitting an exact sweet spot for haste which means suddenly 22.2% haste is miles better (EP 2.8+) than haste of 22.1% (EP 1.6).
There are numerous possible fixes for the issue that can be investigated and its not an issue if your gear build doesn't include much haste. However since a large percentage of Enh Shaman as going haste as main stat then it makes sense to warn these people in particular that they MAY be deluding themselves using EP values multiplying them up. Your suggestion that we need a program where you select each item you have available and all the different gems and enchant and then get the program to work out what combination is the best is EXACTLY what the Rawr Optimiser does. This is why I spend so much time trying to improve its calculations as the optimiser is a fantastic tool that takes a massive amount of work out of trying to decide how to regem to hit caps, up dps etc. |
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Originally Posted by Lyska
Could we please get an updated mac version?
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Brynmor, you are wrong about Caress. Even for non-orcs, the ilevel 245 axe from HAnub-10 is the superior weapon. Most likely your misinformation is because you are not changing your offhand speed to account for the bug with matched weapons and Flurry charges in the sim.
Change your offhand to 2.71 and rerun your sims and you will see the axe show up as a better option. Running your profile through EnhSim I get 8235.94 when the speed is kept matching. This drops to 8199.77 when you unmatch the offhand speed to 2.71 Loading up the Axe and sticking a 20 expertise gem in it (slightly under the expertise cap but more relevant without regemming things) EnhSim shows 8220.59dps. Until the sim gets fixed always make sure to unmatch your weapon speeds. |
I then ran the sim replacing the OH with [The Lion's Maw] ([Frostblade Hatchet] for horde), changing the OH speed to the correct 2.6, adding a 20 Expertise gem to the OH to get to me 135 to Expertise Rating and assuming I drop a 40 AP gem for a 10 Expertise/10 Hit gem to get me over the Expertise cap. I got 8359.42.
So even when I make the change to the sim to take into account the matched weapon speed bug I still get results that indicate only a 258 weapon is going to replace CoI.
[e] Actually it wouldn't make sense to use the 10 Expertise/Hit gem since even if I was under the Expertise cap by 5 Expertise rating the 40 AP gem would be worth more in terms of EP than the Exp/Hit gem. I get ~30 EP for the Exp/Hit gem when I'm 5 Expertise Rating under cap while the 40 AP gem is of course worth 40 EP. Even so, the extra 10 EP value I'd gain hardly makes the [The Lion's Maw] a clear upgrade over CoI.
Last edited by Brynmor : 10/07/09 at 1:07 AM.
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Originally Posted by Grendelstein
I have, with some help from the codeplex enhsim site, compiled a current Mac version of EnhSim. It's a Unix binary but works just like it always has on the Mac.
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It might not be completely clear unless you've used previously released versions. This is the mac binary file, not a GUI app and must be run in Terminal.app in much the same way Windows users will run enhsim.exe.
The first thing you need to do is rename it if your browser downloaded it as a generic file. (just call it enhsim)
Secondly, as with many binaries, you need to make it executable. In the terminal locate the file and enter:
I'd recommend moving it to an existing enhsim folder that contains the windows files, that will give you a default config file.
After exporting from ShockAndAwe and pasting in another file, you can run something like:
You should expect a similar experience to enhsim.exe from the command-line and I've verified this is true with 10.6.1.
The first thing you need to do is rename it if your browser downloaded it as a generic file. (just call it enhsim)
Secondly, as with many binaries, you need to make it executable. In the terminal locate the file and enter:
chmod 755 enhsim
After exporting from ShockAndAwe and pasting in another file, you can run something like:
./enhsim myconfig.txt output.txt
Not sure who is approving patches on EnhSim right now, but I added a patch to fix the changes to Flame Shock and Armor Pen for 3.2.2. I uploaded the patch to CodePlex so if one of the coordinators could look it over, it would be nice to get EnhSim updated for 3.2.2.
How does the sim work with "use" trinkets? I saw the option for syncing it with heroism, but if that's not chosen does it just pop them whenever they're off cooldown?
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Originally Posted by bobxii
EP values are just the partial differentials of the DPS function in [ap, crit, hit, haste, expertise...etc] space, and "normalized" so that the value of AP is 1. This said, given that the appropriate soft caps are reached, only haste has any complex (higher than ~2nd order) interactions with the DPS function over the ranges that we care about - it wouldn't be terribly difficult to reduce the current "EP system" to a less simulator-dependent "Haste-EP system", where we divide the DPS function and its EP values into groups based upon haste rating, splitting around the windfury interaction areas (which are the root cause of the "haste problem").
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This means that the numbers of LBs cast during a combat cycle of the sim will vary due to RNG but also due to additional hit adding a greater frequency in there. This can push more LBs at the expense of other abilities (notably LL & MT). This CAN mean that marginal variations in hit rating (above the spell hit cap) can change the number of abilities used and hence the dps results.
In EP terms this can seriously distort hit rating above the spell hit cap, adding additional hit rating does definitely give a dps boost, however it feels "stepped" ie: small amounts of hit make little difference then there is a jump to a new plateau. This is my gut feeling as to how it will come out. I'm still working on adding a graphing function to Rawr which will show steps of each stat +/- 5 steps of 1 epic gem's worth of stat either side of your current gear. eg: +/- 200 AP, +/- 100 haste, +/- 100 crit etc. The output will be presented as a graph of each stat change vs dps.
Last edited by Levva : 10/14/09 at 10:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by ziff
Not sure who is approving patches on EnhSim right now, but I added a patch to fix the changes to Flame Shock and Armor Pen for 3.2.2. I uploaded the patch to CodePlex so if one of the coordinators could look it over, it would be nice to get EnhSim updated for 3.2.2.
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I've really been wanting to run new sims to find out what kind of upgrade path I should be pursuing through T9, but its hard to trust the numbers from an outdated simulator. Can our enhsim contributors get this update approved and pushed through to download? We're in the 4th week since 3.2.2 dropped!
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Here is a new EnhSim executable with some small fixes: REMOVED I create a patch for some of the changes.
Things i try to fix:
* Change the proc of the Mjolnir Runestone from 612 ArP to 665 ArP.
* Change the value of 'SPELL_HASTE_RATING_TO_HASTE' to the value of 'MELEE_HASTE_RATING_TO_HASTE' (0.00039646246f). At the armory it seems that both have the same ratio but i did not test it in game.
* Change the value of 'ARMOR_PENETRATION_RATING_TO_ARMOR_PENETRATION' from 0.0008119361f down to 0.0007142857f. I just calculate the value using my ArP rating and percentage. If someone knows the exact value i will replace it.
* Flame shock gives six dot ticks. The coefficient for the dot was not changed if i remember correctly.
* Flurry now gives three charges even with same weapon speed.
Some words about the flurry fix: There is already a define for these change ('FLURRY_SYNCED'). But the code which was commented out by these option did not work anymore. So i only fix these two lines. But i do not have the time to take a closer at the simulator so i'm not sure if i did it the right way. With different weapon speed i get the same results and with same weapon speed flurry uptime ist not higher anymore. So it seems that the sim works correctly.
Things i try to fix:
* Change the proc of the Mjolnir Runestone from 612 ArP to 665 ArP.
* Change the value of 'SPELL_HASTE_RATING_TO_HASTE' to the value of 'MELEE_HASTE_RATING_TO_HASTE' (0.00039646246f). At the armory it seems that both have the same ratio but i did not test it in game.
* Change the value of 'ARMOR_PENETRATION_RATING_TO_ARMOR_PENETRATION' from 0.0008119361f down to 0.0007142857f. I just calculate the value using my ArP rating and percentage. If someone knows the exact value i will replace it.
* Flame shock gives six dot ticks. The coefficient for the dot was not changed if i remember correctly.
* Flurry now gives three charges even with same weapon speed.
Some words about the flurry fix: There is already a define for these change ('FLURRY_SYNCED'). But the code which was commented out by these option did not work anymore. So i only fix these two lines. But i do not have the time to take a closer at the simulator so i'm not sure if i did it the right way. With different weapon speed i get the same results and with same weapon speed flurry uptime ist not higher anymore. So it seems that the sim works correctly.
Last edited by Peterle : 10/16/09 at 3:12 AM.
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Originally Posted by Peterle
Here is a new EnhSim executable with some small fixes: http://inteam.org/EnhSim.zip
Things i try to fix: * Change the value of 'SPELL_HASTE_RATING_TO_HASTE' to the value of 'MELEE_HASTE_RATING_TO_HASTE' (0.00039646246f). At the armory it seems that both have the same ratio but i did not test it in game. |
Levva should be able to include you into the codeplex project if you are interested in helping us out in the future. (Ziff should have been contacted about this already, for the curious)
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
We get 30% more melee haste then spell haste since the 3.1 patch (armory is wrong - check your in-game paperdoll if you want to check your values). Hopefully someone can incorporate your other fixes into a build that treats haste rating properly.
Levva should be able to include you into the codeplex project if you are interested in helping us out in the future. (Ziff should have been contacted about this already, for the curious) |
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I think Ziff's uploaded source code patch attempted to fix a few more issues than Paterle's uploaded executable even though Ziff didn't say much in his post. These are the full notes that Ziff posted with his patch on the codeplex site:
There were a number of problems with calculating the damage for FS dots in the prior version (e.g. T9 bonus was not being applied) that Ziff attempted to address and he even marked off the issues in the issue tracker.
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I went ahead and syn'd up the changes for 3.2.2 with Flame Shock and Armor Pen. I tested all of these changes on live with the exception of the T9 shock bonus, since I don't have that gear yet. - Switched to the new Armor Pen scaling number for 3.2.2. Numbers from the Combat Rating thread on Elitist Jerks - Extended the time of Flame Shock to include 2 more dot ticks. - Updated the spell power scaling for flame shock from the Elemental TTT wiki. - Created separate stats for the dot so we can see the crit rate - Changed the spellpower and crit multiplier to applying at flame shock cast time, since they don't change while the flame shock dot is ticking - Updated the T9 Elemental 2 piece set bonus to now allow Flame Shock to crit - Updated the Flame Shock glyph to now allow Flame Shock to crit - Updated the Flame Shock dot to also apply the bonus from concussion along with the shock damage multiplier from the T9 2 piece set bonus - Removed Lava Burst eating Flame Shock - Removed the 'cast LvB only if FS dots left' since it wasn't useful anymore. The 'cast LvB only if FS active' should cover any scenarios that are needed |
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Originally Posted by EllissDee
So as of now, are we better off using the default EnhSim on CodePlex, or this new one? Which would be more accurate?
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Can I ask anyone that has coding experience and wants to contribute to the project to contact a project co-ordinator - Myself or Rouncer and we can add you as a contributor.
PLEASE don't issue your own mini versions with adhoc changes as that just leads to confusion with multiple different versions at all different stages of development. The whole point of creating a codeplex project was so that multiple developers could assist and we would have a unified code repository and avoid the diverse versions issue.
PLEASE don't issue your own mini versions with adhoc changes as that just leads to confusion with multiple different versions at all different stages of development. The whole point of creating a codeplex project was so that multiple developers could assist and we would have a unified code repository and avoid the diverse versions issue.
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Originally Posted by Levva
PLEASE don't issue your own mini versions with adhoc changes as that just leads to confusion with multiple different versions at all different stages of development. The whole point of creating a codeplex project was so that multiple developers could assist and we would have a unified code repository and avoid the diverse versions issue.
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As i wrote before: I took only a superficial look at the simulator. So there is no guarantee that the 'FLURRY_SYNCED' change is correct.
Compiled Ziff's update off of Alandovos work but was unable to patch up his GUI changes so it is currently listed as an Alpha but is available for download and testing.
Once Alandovos compiles a new release with his GUI changes it will be changed to release status but all the EnhSim changes are in place and from my testing it is working well enough for people to start using it.
Still missing the Flurry updates so if you are using matched weapon speeds make sure to set your offhand speed up or down by .01 hopefully those can be tested and incorporated into the release patch along with the GUI updates.
EnhSim - Release: 1.8.4 Alpha
Once Alandovos compiles a new release with his GUI changes it will be changed to release status but all the EnhSim changes are in place and from my testing it is working well enough for people to start using it.
Still missing the Flurry updates so if you are using matched weapon speeds make sure to set your offhand speed up or down by .01 hopefully those can be tested and incorporated into the release patch along with the GUI updates.
EnhSim - Release: 1.8.4 Alpha
Rouncer and I must work on the exact same schedule. I've bumped the version number to 1.8.4.1 and package up the GUI changes and incorporated the Mjolnir Runestone fix.
Again the flurry updates aren't in there because I didn't have enough time to check it out. Someone on the team will get to that very soon.
EnhSim - Release: 1.8.4.1 Beta
Again the flurry updates aren't in there because I didn't have enough time to check it out. Someone on the team will get to that very soon.
EnhSim - Release: 1.8.4.1 Beta
I noticed that the total damage output of ES and FS is the same regardless of T9 4Pc. The DPS output at the bottom changes as expected (25%) but the total damage output at the top is the same.
Other than that, most of the changes seem to be working from what I can tell and FS seems to be coming out better than I had hoped.
Other than that, most of the changes seem to be working from what I can tell and FS seems to be coming out better than I had hoped.
Not sure if this is a problem with my machine or with the code however attempting to use anymore than 1 thread results in using only 1 thread! I've been using Taskman and the Threads column to monitor this.
I did a quick search of the 104 pages of posts and didn't see anyone else comment on this as I glanced over everything.
I did a quick search of the 104 pages of posts and didn't see anyone else comment on this as I glanced over everything.
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Never mind, please delete this post.
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I'll try to update some of the "issues" on the issue tracker now they have been dealt with. Could other authors please mark issues as done once they commit fixes so that we have an on going track of only outstanding issues.
I'll also have a look at some of the code, I'm rusty with C++, to see if some of the easier fixes can be incorporated quickly. However I will say this up front I will not become the main EnhSim maintainer. I have way too much on my plate as it is.
If some of the guys who contributed could put themselves forward to work on the project please, it would benefit the whole Enh Shammy community that has come to rely on EnhSim.
I'll also have a look at some of the code, I'm rusty with C++, to see if some of the easier fixes can be incorporated quickly. However I will say this up front I will not become the main EnhSim maintainer. I have way too much on my plate as it is.
If some of the guys who contributed could put themselves forward to work on the project please, it would benefit the whole Enh Shammy community that has come to rely on EnhSim.
Last edited by Levva : 10/19/09 at 8:53 AM.
Something that I have wondered about Enhsim:
When l look at my profile in the Armory, my Spellpower is increased by the buff from Flametongue Weapon in my off-hand. But when I try to paste from Rawr, the buff is not added in. Does Enhsim add in the Spellpower buff when you select Flametongue for your off-hand, or do you need to add the additional spellpower yourself?
When l look at my profile in the Armory, my Spellpower is increased by the buff from Flametongue Weapon in my off-hand. But when I try to paste from Rawr, the buff is not added in. Does Enhsim add in the Spellpower buff when you select Flametongue for your off-hand, or do you need to add the additional spellpower yourself?
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Originally Posted by Shammiewow
Something that I have wondered about Enhsim:
When l look at my profile in the Armory, my Spellpower is increased by the buff from Flametongue Weapon in my off-hand. But when I try to paste from Rawr, the buff is not added in. Does Enhsim add in the Spellpower buff when you select Flametongue for your off-hand, or do you need to add the additional spellpower yourself? |
(And especially avoid using stats from the paperdoll on the armory. Quite often the armory has wrong stats for some pieces of gear. Some items get updated late in a PTR phase in the actual game files, but not in the armory database.)
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Originally Posted by jcgamo88
Not sure if this is a problem with my machine or with the code however attempting to use anymore than 1 thread results in using only 1 thread! I've been using Taskman and the Threads column to monitor this.
I did a quick search of the 104 pages of posts and didn't see anyone else comment on this as I glanced over everything. |
I did some simming with the Fetish of Volatile Power (heroic) and Mirror of Truth, and the DPS difference is about 5 in favour of the Fetish, but since the enhsim priority doesn't seem to allow for adding Wind Shear into the rotation, I'm wondering if that's actually a bit lower than it should be? My rough calculations make me believe it should be closer to 15-20, seeing as Wind Shear helps build up the stacks almost twice as fast.
Has anyone tested these in a more live-fire environment? The Fetish is definitely harder to use properly, since it's on-demand, and you have to be sure to be pushing wind shear as well as everything else, but considering the amount of on-demand burst the current content seems to require, I'm thinking it's probably better.
I was also wondering if there was some way to add Wind Shear into the priority just for this.
Has anyone tested these in a more live-fire environment? The Fetish is definitely harder to use properly, since it's on-demand, and you have to be sure to be pushing wind shear as well as everything else, but considering the amount of on-demand burst the current content seems to require, I'm thinking it's probably better.
I was also wondering if there was some way to add Wind Shear into the priority just for this.
I've taken this from the BiS thread as it is a more appropriate conversation for this thread.
If the sim truly requires a fixed combat time of 10 minutes at 5000/10000 hours to achieve the best results, then we seriously need to take a good hard look at just what constitutes an accurate simulated test. If what you said is true, then this is right along the lines of same speed weapons with Flurry bug. The simulator should be modified to provide random combat intervals - say +- 90 seconds for each 10 minute fight and then run for 10000 hours. It may still not be perfect, but it would be a lot more realistic than using a quirky coincidental set of numbers to achieve the BiS setup/dps values.
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Originally Posted by philviral
Forgive me for further derailing this from a BiS discussion, but I just thought of something along the lines of the current conversation that I would like to run by the community.
As Levva said, "there are certain sweet spots (and sour spots) for haste where adding tiny additional amounts can result in dramatic dps changes up or down." These 'sweet spots' are the result of a certain haste value giving x number of MW procs for the given combat length - the 'standard' config provided in the OP has this at 10 minutes. Could this issue perhaps be relieved by adding a random element to the combat length? So instead of running 10 minute fights for 5000 hours, the sim could run 10 minute fights +/- a random number of seconds up to, say, 30. Similar to how the windfury CD is modeled, if i remember correctly from that discussion earlier this year. |
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Originally Posted by Deathicle
I've taken this from the BiS thread as it is a more appropriate conversation for this thread.
If the sim truly requires a fixed combat time of 10 minutes at 5000/10000 hours to achieve the best results, then we seriously need to take a good hard look at just what constitutes an accurate simulated test. If what you said is true, then this is right along the lines of same speed weapons with Flurry bug. The simulator should be modified to provide random combat intervals - say +- 90 seconds for each 10 minute fight and then run for 10000 hours. It may still not be perfect, but it would be a lot more realistic than using a quirky coincidental set of numbers to achieve the BiS setup/dps values. |
Three factors make fixed time combat rounds a bad thing: GW, BL and trinkets. Ok, and profession/race CDs so four things. (And I'm sure others will list new and exciting things I didn't think of). Anyway, they are all on 1*X minute timers and some combat intervals can be greatly manipulated by said cooldowns. I always found the 10 minute combat length thing a bit odd as it diminishes Bloodlust and favors GW and trinkets(and profs/race). Very few fights are 10 minutes long and as such, simming 10 minute fights does not represent live fights. A ten minute fight does not produce greater accuracy in DPS or EP if you're calculating that. The sim has a configurable time it's supposed to simulate and decreasing combat length will only produce more simulated fights, with the added bonus of being closer to live fights.
Back to my original point; Instead of having more random inserted into EnhSim, how about fixed combat segment intervals?
combat_min_length = 4 // in minutes
combat_max_length = 10
combat_stepping = 1 // perhaps do it in seconds instead?
So the first simulated fight will be 4 minutes, second 5, etc and then a ten minute fight. After that EnhSim will reset it's internal combat stepping counter and start at 4 minutes again. Why do this? Well, we have a simulator that has a lot of random factors. While live has random combat length it's not necessarily a good thing for the simulator to incorporate all things random in the game. As shown, some deviation is good because it negates false plateaus due to EnhSim's strict nature. However, as many deterministic (here loosely used as we can easily and precisely calculate each and every combat lengths just by looking at the config) factors as possible will make less "flukes" in EnhSim results.
Back to my original point; Instead of having more random inserted into EnhSim, how about fixed combat segment intervals?
combat_min_length = 4 // in minutes
combat_max_length = 10
combat_stepping = 1 // perhaps do it in seconds instead?
So the first simulated fight will be 4 minutes, second 5, etc and then a ten minute fight. After that EnhSim will reset it's internal combat stepping counter and start at 4 minutes again. Why do this? Well, we have a simulator that has a lot of random factors. While live has random combat length it's not necessarily a good thing for the simulator to incorporate all things random in the game. As shown, some deviation is good because it negates false plateaus due to EnhSim's strict nature. However, as many deterministic (here loosely used as we can easily and precisely calculate each and every combat lengths just by looking at the config) factors as possible will make less "flukes" in EnhSim results.
I uploaded a patch which includes a new option for config file:
This will add or substract up to 10% (in this case) of the combat length.
combat_length_rng_factor 0.1
New EnhSim available from the site: EnhSim - Release: 1.8.5.0 Beta
Big thanks to Peterle for the patches.
As always please use the EnhSim site for reporting issues.
Big thanks to Peterle for the patches.
As always please use the EnhSim site for reporting issues.
New Release v1.8.5.1
I've uploaded a new release of EnhSim. Changelog is as follows...
Various fixes
Updated config.txt file with various new values - eg: no longer uses lvl 70 potion by default
Armour debuffs now warn if outside acceptable range. Boss armour now warns if users using old config file value of 10645 instead of 10643.
Added warnings about using low level potions/flasks
New racial flag wasn't being initialised for Draenei causing odd crashes for Alliance Shaman
Various efficiency improvements with combat log settings
Fixed bug with Feral Spirits AP, they get AP from 2 times their strength not their str + agi.
Various fixes
Updated config.txt file with various new values - eg: no longer uses lvl 70 potion by default
Armour debuffs now warn if outside acceptable range. Boss armour now warns if users using old config file value of 10645 instead of 10643.
Added warnings about using low level potions/flasks
New racial flag wasn't being initialised for Draenei causing odd crashes for Alliance Shaman
Various efficiency improvements with combat log settings
Fixed bug with Feral Spirits AP, they get AP from 2 times their strength not their str + agi.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Fixed bug with Feral Spirits AP, they get AP from 2 times their strength not their str + agi.
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The original code in question was as follows:
attack_power_base_ + sim.ap_ * attack_power_scaling_ + strength_ * strength_to_ap_ + agility_ * agility_to_ap_
But agility_to_ap_ was set to 0, so no AP was added. But if Blizzard made a future change to allow Agi-based scaling, all that had to be done to implement it would be to change the constant from 0 to another number.
So that was a long way of saying that I don't believe that change should throw off the values that people were simming previously.
Can we get *for testing purposes only* a priority choice for, Flame Shock only if SS debuff is not on the target? So like, FS_noSS ?
I think it would be worth looking into.
Also, haven't checked the newest release, but last time I checked, Darkmoon Card: Greatness is missing in the trinkets list in the sim (was helping a friend out who has the trinket).
I think it would be worth looking into.
Also, haven't checked the newest release, but last time I checked, Darkmoon Card: Greatness is missing in the trinkets list in the sim (was helping a friend out who has the trinket).
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Originally Posted by kaoticz
Also, haven't checked the newest release, but last time I checked, Darkmoon Card: Greatness is missing in the trinkets list in the sim (was helping a friend out who has the trinket).
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Originally Posted by Spaceinvader
I believe that the sim was calculating this properly. The agility-related variables were just there to future-proof the code in case wolves at some point began scaling off of Agi instead of Str, but their presence did not alter the calculation.
The original code in question was as follows: attack_power_base_ + sim.ap_ * attack_power_scaling_ + strength_ * strength_to_ap_ + agility_ * agility_to_ap_ But agility_to_ap_ was set to 0, so no AP was added. But if Blizzard made a future change to allow Agi-based scaling, all that had to be done to implement it would be to change the constant from 0 to another number. So that was a long way of saying that I don't believe that change should throw off the values that people were simming previously. |
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Originally Posted by Jessamy
Some trinkets are implemented in the simulator itself but not listed in the GUI drop-down menu. You can include these in various ways. You can manually edit them into a config file, or if you select the trinket in question in rawr and export a config file it will automatically include them. If you want to use a trinket that you don't find in the drop-down, and want to select it from within the GUI, you can type its item number. For reference, the Darkmoon card you're looking for is item number 44253.
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Thanks though
Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but how would one go about manually adding a new trinket to the sim? Specifically my shaman is currently using a mirror of truth, and EnhSim crashes every time I attempt to copy her into the sim because the trinket isn't in the list.
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Originally Posted by Sylari
Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but how would one go about manually adding a new trinket to the sim? Specifically my shaman is currently using a mirror of truth, and EnhSim crashes every time I attempt to copy her into the sim because the trinket isn't in the list.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Mirror of Truth is in the Sim, you are crashing for some other reason. Make sure that the GUI is pointing at the proper exe file since that seems to be the most common cause for crashes.
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[Mirror of Truth]
The World of Warcraft Armory
Mirror of Truth - Items - Sigrie
But really, you should be using rawr to create your enhsim config files anyway, and rawr does this automatically. It's faster, easier to do without making mistakes, and as long as your item database is up to date within rawr, it's more accurate. (Some items have different stats in game than their stats on the armory, especially socket bonuses.)
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Originally Posted by Jessamy
But really, you should be using rawr to create your enhsim config files anyway, and rawr does this automatically. It's faster, easier to do without making mistakes, and as long as your item database is up to date within rawr, it's more accurate. (Some items have different stats in game than their stats on the armory, especially socket bonuses.)
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Originally Posted by Sylari
I tried that to begin with, but I'd repeatedly get a clipboard parsing error, which I had assumed was the simulator getting confused over my second trinket ( and aa new error... null values on something called OldValue when trying to save )
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2) Make sure you are using the new config.txt (supplied with v1.8.5.2) as the default there are new options added to the sim lately and so you will potentially get errors if you are using an old config file.
After a quick search of this thread I cannot seem to locate the answer to a problem I am having with the newest version of EnhSim, v1.8.5.2. I installed it the same way I did with past EnhSims, but every time I try to save my configuration (stats, talent spec, etc) it gives me an error. The following link is to a post on codeplex by someone else with the same problem:
EnhSim - View Issue #5358: missing trinkets and unable to save
The error message pasted in that thread is the exact same as mine.
Some background information:
-I've used EnhSim in the past and never had this issue before.
-The "..." button in the bottom right was set for the EnhSim.exe file of v1.8.5.2, not any previous EnhSim.exe versions.
-I had 2 previous versions of EnhSim still hanging around on my drive, so I uninstalled those and the newest version, then reinstalled
-I tried installing .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (per the suggestion in the Readme file)
-I tried uninstalling all previous .NET Frameworks and then installing 3.5 SP1 (should I be using .NET Framework 4 beta 2?)
-I receive no other error messages, except for this error message when attempting to save the file.
-I have tried just saving the blank config that is there when you first open the program (I changed nothing), and it still gives me an error.
Also, I had been using the EnhSim version just prior to this one perfectly fine.
I have already done a lot of google searches, and while I've found many other posts about "Unhandled exception" errors, I cannot find an answer to this specific problem. The response on the Codeplex Issue Report was not helpful, either.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, and hopefully anyone else with this problem in the future will find this thread helpful.
Thanks in advance.
EnhSim - View Issue #5358: missing trinkets and unable to save
The error message pasted in that thread is the exact same as mine.
Some background information:
-I've used EnhSim in the past and never had this issue before.
-The "..." button in the bottom right was set for the EnhSim.exe file of v1.8.5.2, not any previous EnhSim.exe versions.
-I had 2 previous versions of EnhSim still hanging around on my drive, so I uninstalled those and the newest version, then reinstalled
-I tried installing .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (per the suggestion in the Readme file)
-I tried uninstalling all previous .NET Frameworks and then installing 3.5 SP1 (should I be using .NET Framework 4 beta 2?)
-I receive no other error messages, except for this error message when attempting to save the file.
-I have tried just saving the blank config that is there when you first open the program (I changed nothing), and it still gives me an error.
Also, I had been using the EnhSim version just prior to this one perfectly fine.
I have already done a lot of google searches, and while I've found many other posts about "Unhandled exception" errors, I cannot find an answer to this specific problem. The response on the Codeplex Issue Report was not helpful, either.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, and hopefully anyone else with this problem in the future will find this thread helpful.
Thanks in advance.
Just to ask, are you trying to save it to the previous folder instead of to your new folder? The GUI loads the previous config so just making sure you have redirected the save function to the new folder and that you are not trying to save the file in a folder that is in your recycle bin.
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Well I'm not at home so I can't test your theory Rouncer, but I am 99.9% certain (I have a long-winded reason as to why I'm certain, but I will spare you) that I was saving it to the proper folder.
I am at a friend's house, so I will test the sim on her computer. Perhaps I can figure out the correlation (or lack of) between our two computers.
@Sylari: Since you seem to be the only other known person with this problem, maybe you could let me know any sort of info about your computer that may have something in common with mine. Any sort of info on your .NET Framework, or anything else that may affect this would be helpful for solving this issue.
EDIT: After downloading it on my friends computer, I received the same error message when trying to save my config. When testing the simulation function, I also noticed the error about the armor for bosses being 10645 instead of the proper 10643, and it mentioned how my config file may not be up-to-date (which makes no sense, seeing as how this computer has never had any other EnhSims on it before). At home I had just changed the armor manually, but this time I decided to load the newest config.txt file into the GUI from the EnhSim folder. I was then able to save different configurations properly.
While I cannot test if this will work on my home computer until Monday, it may be a good idea for others with this same problem to try loading the config.txt file into their GUI, then copying their own configuration into the GUI, before trying to save. Just make sure you don't try to save over the config file, or it will give you another "Unhandled exception" message.
I am at a friend's house, so I will test the sim on her computer. Perhaps I can figure out the correlation (or lack of) between our two computers.
@Sylari: Since you seem to be the only other known person with this problem, maybe you could let me know any sort of info about your computer that may have something in common with mine. Any sort of info on your .NET Framework, or anything else that may affect this would be helpful for solving this issue.
EDIT: After downloading it on my friends computer, I received the same error message when trying to save my config. When testing the simulation function, I also noticed the error about the armor for bosses being 10645 instead of the proper 10643, and it mentioned how my config file may not be up-to-date (which makes no sense, seeing as how this computer has never had any other EnhSims on it before). At home I had just changed the armor manually, but this time I decided to load the newest config.txt file into the GUI from the EnhSim folder. I was then able to save different configurations properly.
While I cannot test if this will work on my home computer until Monday, it may be a good idea for others with this same problem to try loading the config.txt file into their GUI, then copying their own configuration into the GUI, before trying to save. Just make sure you don't try to save over the config file, or it will give you another "Unhandled exception" message.
Last edited by Tyranik : 10/31/09 at 3:00 PM.
I also had an issue exporting from the latest rawr to Enhsim: the data was copied fine but it was unable to run the sim.
I later saw that after exporting from rawr the enhsim rotation had a number of checked boxed named "XX" instead of my old rotation.
Once I un-checked them it worked fine.
I later saw that after exporting from rawr the enhsim rotation had a number of checked boxed named "XX" instead of my old rotation.
Once I un-checked them it worked fine.
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Originally Posted by Rani
I also had an issue exporting from the latest rawr to Enhsim: the data was copied fine but it was unable to run the sim.
I later saw that after exporting from rawr the enhsim rotation had a number of checked boxed named "XX" instead of my old rotation. Once I un-checked them it worked fine. |
Another problem I'm having that I didn't have in previous versions was that after exporting my Rawr data to enhsim the "water shield" box is checked. It's a little annoying to have to turn it off every time I export.
EDIT: I just noticed that this should probably be in the Rawr thread.
I'm sorry if this has been answered b4 but i haven't found anything on this thread.Is it possible and/or of any use to add an option for a Greater Fire Elemantal in the sim?
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Originally Posted by Saidbeastie
I'm having the same problem. In Rawr, there's a tab called "priorities" that looks similar to the rotation section of enhsimgui. When my priorities are checked in Rawr, it exports to enhsim as XX instead of each ability. When I uncheck them in Rawr, it exports to enhsim normally but unchecks whatever I might have had checked in enhsim.
Another problem I'm having that I didn't have in previous versions was that after exporting my Rawr data to enhsim the "water shield" box is checked. It's a little annoying to have to turn it off every time I export. EDIT: I just noticed that this should probably be in the Rawr thread. |
I normally do not post, but I wanted to point out an interesting observation made with Flame Shock dps. Replacing Glyph of Windfury with Glyph of Flame Shock (and appropriately adding FS into my rotation) sims out to be roughly a 50 dps increase yet my DPS seems to have fallen in raid meters. What is interesting though is that my position in Damage Done meters has me ranked above people who have survived the entire fight and whose dps was greater than mine. I realize this could be due to any number of things, so I still don't rule out the possibility of a reduction in damage. I was simply wondering if this is indicative of faulty simulations with Flame Shock or a problem with how dps is calculated through Recount?
I think the answer is "no", but is there any way to sim an item like [Raging Deathbringer] in Enhsim?
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Originally Posted by goropeza
I normally do not post, but I wanted to point out an interesting observation made with Flame Shock dps. Replacing Glyph of Windfury with Glyph of Flame Shock (and appropriately adding FS into my rotation) sims out to be roughly a 50 dps increase yet my DPS seems to have fallen in raid meters. What is interesting though is that my position in Damage Done meters has me ranked above people who have survived the entire fight and whose dps was greater than mine. I realize this could be due to any number of things, so I still don't rule out the possibility of a reduction in damage. I was simply wondering if this is indicative of faulty simulations with Flame Shock or a problem with how dps is calculated through Recount?
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DPS meters work by stopping whenever there is a 5 (3?) second pause without any damage being done. If you are using Flame Shock those pauses become much rarer since the DoT is continuing to do damage even if you are out of melee range.
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Originally Posted by Shammiewow
I think the answer is "no", but is there any way to sim an item like [Raging Deathbringer] in Enhsim?
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Then just manually enter your weapon with 2.7 speed and 196.5 dps (and set to axe if you're an orc). Most people conclude that with no stat contributions, the axe is worse than anything in Ulduar, but not by much.
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Originally Posted by Razanar
I'm pretty sure when it measures up to other ilvl 245 weapons it doesn't compare, even with the 2.7 speed.
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Last edited by Jessamy : 11/03/09 at 2:14 PM.
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Originally Posted by Jessamy
It's fairly kludgy, but if one of your trinkets has no on-proc or on-use effects, you can add 40371 ([Bandit's Insignia]) as one of your trinkets. (The trinket's static attack power won't affect the simulator since your total attack power is input elsewhere.) It's a completely different proc, with a different proc rate and proc mechanic -- but its proc ends up having a similar final dps contribution to the proc from the axe.
Then just manually enter your weapon with 2.7 speed and 196.5 dps (and set to axe if you're an orc). Most people conclude that with no stat contributions, the axe is worse than anything in Ulduar, but not by much. |
Of course, that's all first glance speculation. I'm pretty sure when it measures up to other ilvl 245 weapons it doesn't compare, even with the 2.7 speed.
Flametongue damage is unaffected by weapon speed. Blizzard's fix was to make it a speed neutral attack. Slower weapons will have larger flametongue procs but they will be happening less frequently so they cancel each other out. True, you would get more Lava Lash damage and the FT damage when you SS and LL would be higher but it wouldn't compare to the additional damage the slower weapon would do in the mainhand when you get a Windfury proc.
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Thanks, using a trinket as a substitute is a great idea, but unfortunately both of mine have procs that need to be modeled.
I spent some time on the Dummy comparing [Raging Deathbringer] to [Insanity's Grip] in my mainhand, and it did not do well. Admittedly, the IG had the Berserker enchant and the [Raging Deathbringer] did not, but even so, it should have been at least equal, unenchanted, to be a worthwhile upgrade.
I didn't think to try it in my offhand. I'm wielding [Tankard O' Terror] there. I'll try that tonight.
It would be nice if Enhsim allowed for user-defined procs.
I spent some time on the Dummy comparing [Raging Deathbringer] to [Insanity's Grip] in my mainhand, and it did not do well. Admittedly, the IG had the Berserker enchant and the [Raging Deathbringer] did not, but even so, it should have been at least equal, unenchanted, to be a worthwhile upgrade.
I didn't think to try it in my offhand. I'm wielding [Tankard O' Terror] there. I'll try that tonight.
It would be nice if Enhsim allowed for user-defined procs.
Last edited by Shammiewow : 11/03/09 at 2:54 PM.
Given the changes to Fire Elemental it looks like it would be useful to add FE to the possible priorities list so that its effects and the effects of the Fire Elemental glyph can be tested. At present there doesn't seem to be any code dealing with Fire Elementals. Anyone care to create a patch that adds this?
@Shammiewow
Whilst user defined procs would be nice there just isn't a mechanism within the existing code that would ever make this viable without a radical re-write. A radical re-write would be better in the jEnhSim project which has seen little recent activity.
@Shammiewow
Whilst user defined procs would be nice there just isn't a mechanism within the existing code that would ever make this viable without a radical re-write. A radical re-write would be better in the jEnhSim project which has seen little recent activity.
Is there a current download site for 2.25? The codeplex link (the one from your sig) still leads to 2.24 - not trying to rush you if it's still in development, just experiencing the same priority issue as everyone else and looking forward to avoiding it. (Grrr, sorry to repeat our referencing of Rawr in the EnhSim thread, though they're awfully interdependent these days...)
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Originally Posted by Gbits
Is there a current download site for 2.25? The codeplex link (the one from your sig) still leads to 2.24 - not trying to rush you if it's still in development, just experiencing the same priority issue as everyone else and looking forward to avoiding it. (Grrr, sorry to repeat our referencing of Rawr in the EnhSim thread, though they're awfully interdependent these days...)
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EnhSim releases are at the mercy of Myself, Rouncer & Alandovos at present. We could however do with another C++ developer and a Mac developer so that we can get the Elementals CD changes added, Fire Nova added, and Tier 10 bonuses added.
Hello,
I hope this is the right thread to ask my question.
EnhSim is currently confusing me with EP values for haste. I'm at about 620 haste rating, which means my weapon speed in raids is below 1.4. Anyway, haste value has decreased from 2.9 to 1.8, so it's quite useless against pure AP.
I thought haste value only decreases between 1.5 and 1.4, so I thought its value should actually increase again now.
Is it a bug in the simulator oder a "haste cap"? I'm not quite sure how to change my gems now because of these strange values. Please help me with this.
Kind regards
I hope this is the right thread to ask my question.
EnhSim is currently confusing me with EP values for haste. I'm at about 620 haste rating, which means my weapon speed in raids is below 1.4. Anyway, haste value has decreased from 2.9 to 1.8, so it's quite useless against pure AP.
I thought haste value only decreases between 1.5 and 1.4, so I thought its value should actually increase again now.
Is it a bug in the simulator oder a "haste cap"? I'm not quite sure how to change my gems now because of these strange values. Please help me with this.
Kind regards
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Hello,
I also have difficulties in understanding EP's values.
For example I use two differents rotation priorities. Everything else remains the same.
config 1: MW5_LB / FS / ES_SS / SS / ES / MT / LL / LS / SR / SW
config 2: MW5_LB / FS / ES_SS / SS / ES / MT / LL / LS / SR / SW / MW4_LB
CONFIG FILES:
config1:
config2 :
RESULTS:
config1:
config2:
There is a very small difference in term of dps (about 27dps) between the two rotations.
On one side (config1 without MW4), haste rating is better than AP or crit rating and on the other side that's the exact opposite.
Is it really as interresting as everybody says to focus on haste rather than on crit ?
Moreover is there a way to synchronize LB with SS charges or to use SS only if there is no remaining SS charges ? I'll be interested in testing that.
(Sorry for my bad english)
I also have difficulties in understanding EP's values.
For example I use two differents rotation priorities. Everything else remains the same.
config 1: MW5_LB / FS / ES_SS / SS / ES / MT / LL / LS / SR / SW
config 2: MW5_LB / FS / ES_SS / SS / ES / MT / LL / LS / SR / SW / MW4_LB
CONFIG FILES:
config1:
### Saved by v1.8.5.2 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 8.00 report_count 80 threads 1 combat_length_rng_factor 0.1 min_lag 100 max_lag 150 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 3 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 2500 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 10 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 FS rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 SR rotation_priority10 SW miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10643 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 196.5 oh_dps 196.5 mh_crit 43.41 oh_crit 43.41 mh_hit 13.78 oh_hit 13.78 mh_expertise_rating 143 oh_expertise_rating 143 ap 4753 melee_haste 14.83 armor_penetration 4.86 str 141 agi 1229 int 695 spi 165 spellpower 1426 spell_crit 32.11 spell_hit 17.23 spell_haste 11.41 max_mana 14541 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 45263 totem 47667 set_bonus1 t9_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
config2 :
### Saved by v1.8.5.2 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 8.00 report_count 80 threads 1 combat_length_rng_factor 0.1 min_lag 100 max_lag 150 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 0 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 3 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 2500 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 11 rotation_priority1 MW5_LB rotation_priority2 FS rotation_priority3 ES_SS rotation_priority4 SS rotation_priority5 ES rotation_priority6 MT rotation_priority7 LL rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 SR rotation_priority10 SW rotation_priority11 MW4_LB miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10643 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 165/165 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion - food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race draenei mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 196.5 oh_dps 196.5 mh_crit 43.41 oh_crit 43.41 mh_hit 13.78 oh_hit 13.78 mh_expertise_rating 143 oh_expertise_rating 143 ap 4753 melee_haste 14.83 armor_penetration 4.86 str 141 agi 1229 int 695 spi 165 spellpower 1426 spell_crit 32.11 spell_hit 17.23 spell_haste 11.41 max_mana 14541 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 40684 trinket2 45263 totem 47667 set_bonus1 t9_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 3/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 0/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 2/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 0/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
RESULTS:
config1:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 8011.45 ap 1.00 0.67 8144.65 133.20 crit rating 1.78 1.19 8047.10 35.64 hit rating 1.65 1.10 8044.50 33.05 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -8011.45 haste rating 1.47 0.98 8040.81 29.36 armor penetration rating 1.39 0.92 8039.16 27.70 spellpower 1.08 0.72 8119.26 107.81 mh dps 5.22 3.47 8037.51 26.06 oh dps 2.42 1.61 8023.54 12.09 strength 1.10 agility 1.75 intelligence 1.27 spirit -0.01 -0.00 8010.91 -0.54 mana -0.01 -0.00 8010.23 -1.22 mp5 0.05 0.03 8012.11 0.66
config2:
EP value DPS total DPS difference baseline 8038.28 ap 1.00 0.68 8174.35 136.07 crit rating 1.82 1.24 8075.52 37.24 hit rating 1.67 1.14 8072.40 34.12 expertise rating 0.00 0.00 0.00 -8038.28 haste rating 2.38 1.62 8086.77 48.49 armor penetration rating 1.41 0.96 8067.09 28.81 spellpower 1.10 0.75 8150.12 111.84 mh dps 5.29 3.60 8065.29 27.01 oh dps 2.88 1.96 8052.96 14.68 strength 1.10 agility 1.74 intelligence 1.60 spirit -0.01 -0.00 8037.70 -0.58 mana 0.01 0.01 8040.12 1.84 mp5 -0.03 -0.02 8037.93 -0.35
There is a very small difference in term of dps (about 27dps) between the two rotations.
On one side (config1 without MW4), haste rating is better than AP or crit rating and on the other side that's the exact opposite.
Is it really as interresting as everybody says to focus on haste rather than on crit ?
Moreover is there a way to synchronize LB with SS charges or to use SS only if there is no remaining SS charges ? I'll be interested in testing that.
(Sorry for my bad english)
Last edited by lae : 11/07/09 at 3:37 PM.
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Originally Posted by lae
Hello,
I also have difficulties in understanding EP's values. For example I use two differents rotation priorities. Everything else remains the same. config 1: MW5_LB / FS / ES_SS / SS / ES / MT / LL / LS / SR / SW config 2: MW5_LB / FS / ES_SS / SS / ES / MT / LL / LS / SR / SW / MW4_LB |
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Move SR (and SW) to the top of your priority list since you are most likely running out of mana at some point with the config using MW4. That's also why you are showing such a high EP value for Intellect since you are running OOM while waiting for a free priority to use SR.
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DPS PPM MPS white 2455.60 30.55% 82.07 windfury 955.12 11.88% 6.92 flametongue 610.53 7.6% 52.90 stormstrike 438.17 5.45% 6.60 36.37 12.62% lava lash 369.85 4.6% 7.86 21.65 7.51% magma totem 606.73 7.55% 2.84 52.88 18.35% earth shock 551.25 6.86% 5.72 70.90 24.60% flame shock 306.78 3.82% 2.86 33.49 11.62% lightning bolt 1052.32 13.09% 9.52 69.78 24.21% lightning shield 380.99 4.74% 1.77 0.00 0.00% spirit wolves 310.85 3.87% 0.37 3.10 1.08% DPS 8038.17 MPS 288.16 MP2min 34579.17 MRPS 278.89 Out of mana time 0.02%
Are the 0,02% OOM time as influent as that ?
"Everybody" doesn't say to focus entirely on haste. Haste is a very volatile stat, and it's understood now that haste should be very delicately handled when replacing other stats for it.
On your EP values, I would think that the spike in haste comes from the fact that more haste = shorter MW_4 cast time, which means less "melee swing time" missed from casting.
On your EP values, I would think that the spike in haste comes from the fact that more haste = shorter MW_4 cast time, which means less "melee swing time" missed from casting.
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Originally Posted by Levva
EnhSim releases are at the mercy of Myself, Rouncer & Alandovos at present. We could however do with another C++ developer and a Mac developer so that we can get the Elementals CD changes added, Fire Nova added, and Tier 10 bonuses added.
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Looking at the code, I'm going to try to model the fire elemental after the way the Spirit Wolfs were implemented. But I need to know some specifics on how the fire elemental works.
- What are the complete set of skills it has?
- Does it just do it's AOE attack and never does melee?
- Does it's stats get effected at all by ours?
- How much mana does it have and how much mana is used for each skill?
- What is it's in-game mana regen rate?
- Does it get effected by Judgement of Wisdom? Replenishment?
Finally, could somebody give me a roll-up on how Fire Nova works.
- What is its cooldown
- What is its duration before firing
- What are the base damage numbers
- What are the spell coefficients?
- Does it get effected by any of our other talents, like Call of Flame, Elemental Fury, etc
- How much mana does it use?
- Does it share a cooldown with anything else?
- Does Fire Nova work with the Fire Elemental totem?
I'm not on the PTR currently so I can't do this research on how these talents work on the PTR. Can somebody do this research so I can make sure this code works correctly? I understand that they might completely change things before it goes Live, but it should be interesting to see the impact of these changes on our dps.
Leave SR as it is currently implemented. It's easy enough to set the mana threshold to say 15000 so that SR becomes top priority to be used whenever it is off cooldown. That also gives us options for how to deal with the bonus and keeps validity for mana figures when we start adding things like the Fire Nova Glyph and Improved Fire Nova Talents.
Popping Fire Nova every 3 seconds is going to use an incredible amount of mana and without control over SR there would be no way to know if it would be at all sustainable. Perhaps it could be used as massive AoE for specific situations by popping SR when you get low on mana. Currently we can manipulate the combat length and mana level setting to determine when it would be best to pop SR for maximum duration without going oom but if you link the bonus to just using SR as a dps cooldown that option would be lost.
As for the Fire Elemental, it has 3 attacks. An AoE nova, a damage aura and a direct damage attack. Beyond that we will need testing to determine how he scales with spellpower (he does scale) and other stats as well how those abilities are used. Strawberry said he saw a 5 second cooldown on the Nova but we could use a lot more specific testing. We also need that testing to be on the Boss Dummy as well as little ones so we can see the Elemental's miss rate and determine if that is affected by our stats.
Fire Nova is exactly the same as the current totem except it becomes an activated instant ability with a 10 second cooldown. It should have a 21.42% coefficient. Questions are if it will still be affected by Call of Flame and whether it can proc and/or be affected by Elemental Focus (there were early reports that it could proc it but was unaffected by it). Fire Nova does work with the Fire Elemental Totem with the Nova originating off of the totem not the Elemental.
Popping Fire Nova every 3 seconds is going to use an incredible amount of mana and without control over SR there would be no way to know if it would be at all sustainable. Perhaps it could be used as massive AoE for specific situations by popping SR when you get low on mana. Currently we can manipulate the combat length and mana level setting to determine when it would be best to pop SR for maximum duration without going oom but if you link the bonus to just using SR as a dps cooldown that option would be lost.
As for the Fire Elemental, it has 3 attacks. An AoE nova, a damage aura and a direct damage attack. Beyond that we will need testing to determine how he scales with spellpower (he does scale) and other stats as well how those abilities are used. Strawberry said he saw a 5 second cooldown on the Nova but we could use a lot more specific testing. We also need that testing to be on the Boss Dummy as well as little ones so we can see the Elemental's miss rate and determine if that is affected by our stats.
Fire Nova is exactly the same as the current totem except it becomes an activated instant ability with a 10 second cooldown. It should have a 21.42% coefficient. Questions are if it will still be affected by Call of Flame and whether it can proc and/or be affected by Elemental Focus (there were early reports that it could proc it but was unaffected by it). Fire Nova does work with the Fire Elemental Totem with the Nova originating off of the totem not the Elemental.
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A couple people tested out the Fire Elemental's scaling in the SimC group. Here's what we came up with:
Nova is a two second cast and doesn't appear to have a cooldown.
His AI is also wonky and doesn't always appear to use every ability to it's fullest. For example he'll have .5 second pauses of nothing.
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Swing: 180 + 0.6 * SP + ( 2.0 / 14 ) * AP Blast: ( 725 to 825 ) + 0.2 * SP Nova: ( 925-1050 ) + 0.5 * SP Shield: 96 + 0.015 * SP Base Mana: 4000 + 15(0.3 * SP) |
His AI is also wonky and doesn't always appear to use every ability to it's fullest. For example he'll have .5 second pauses of nothing.
Last edited by zimeron : 11/09/09 at 11:26 AM.
Some notes on my examination of (too many) Fire Elemental parses:
(1) I would agree with Strawberry on the 5sec CD for Fire Nova
(2) While Fire Nova may be a 2sec cast, the elemental never does anything 0.5sec after the cast is over..... so I have chosen to effectively model it as a 2.5sec cast
(3) Fire Blast also seems to have a 5sec CD
(4) There is no clear priority list. If both FB and FN are off cooldown, it seems random which one is picked
(5) Swing time is 2sec and un-modified by any haste effects
(6) If FB or FN will come off CD in less than 2sec, the Elemental will often just wait instead of trying to get in another melee swing. I haven't yet determined the crossover point yet.
(7) FN costs 207 mana and FB costs 276 mana
(8) The elemental has 4k base mana and inherits 30% of master's intellect, gaining 15 mana per intellect
(9) When out of the five-second-rule it gains 10.66 mana per second
Hope that helps. I'll have a version of SimC out (possibly tonight) with my implementation for comparison purposes if necessary.
(1) I would agree with Strawberry on the 5sec CD for Fire Nova
(2) While Fire Nova may be a 2sec cast, the elemental never does anything 0.5sec after the cast is over..... so I have chosen to effectively model it as a 2.5sec cast
(3) Fire Blast also seems to have a 5sec CD
(4) There is no clear priority list. If both FB and FN are off cooldown, it seems random which one is picked
(5) Swing time is 2sec and un-modified by any haste effects
(6) If FB or FN will come off CD in less than 2sec, the Elemental will often just wait instead of trying to get in another melee swing. I haven't yet determined the crossover point yet.
(7) FN costs 207 mana and FB costs 276 mana
(8) The elemental has 4k base mana and inherits 30% of master's intellect, gaining 15 mana per intellect
(9) When out of the five-second-rule it gains 10.66 mana per second
Hope that helps. I'll have a version of SimC out (possibly tonight) with my implementation for comparison purposes if necessary.
I was looking at the sim output trying to determine why Rawr.Enhance likes hit more than EnhSim likes hit. I noted the following phenomena. With both weapons having Berserking on them the MH Uptime was given as 42.18% and the OH as 37.23% however I was at a loss to think of a reason that the OH proc rate would be so much lower than the MH proc rate. Any thoughts/explanations?
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Originally Posted by Levva
I was looking at the sim output trying to determine why Rawr.Enhance likes hit more than EnhSim likes hit. I noted the following phenomena. With both weapons having Berserking on them the MH Uptime was given as 42.18% and the OH as 37.23% however I was at a loss to think of a reason that the OH proc rate would be so much lower than the MH proc rate. Any thoughts/explanations?
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Windfury hits can proc Berzerking
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Originally Posted by Levva
I was looking at the sim output trying to determine why Rawr.Enhance likes hit more than EnhSim likes hit. I noted the following phenomena. With both weapons having Berserking on them the MH Uptime was given as 42.18% and the OH as 37.23% however I was at a loss to think of a reason that the OH proc rate would be so much lower than the MH proc rate. Any thoughts/explanations?
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EDIT: I did some testing and the uptime persisted regardless of weapon speed.
EDIT2:
I ran a pure white hit test and am really confused by the results:
EnhSim version 1.8.5.2
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MH:
miss 2427018 9.51%
dodge 2600 0.01%
glancing 6121848 24.00%
hit 4683856 18.36%
crit 12275527 48.12%
average ap 8157.07
clip 0 0.00%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.42%
procs/swings 14.85%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 780 0.01%
hit 3705013 48.89%
crit 3872245 51.10%
average ap 8160.90
OH:
miss 2336396 9.52%
dodge 2406 0.01%
glancing 5894269 24.01%
hit 4507579 18.36%
crit 11808753 48.10%
average ap 8159.76
clip 0 0.00%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 12757259 57.44%
crit 9453342 42.56%
average sp 3047.38
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 38.80
flurry uptime 85.65%
unleashed rage uptime 99.97%
elemental devastation uptime 0.00%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 35.49%
oh enchant uptime 23.99%
trinket1 uptime 20.18%
trinket2 uptime 32.06%
racial uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 22.66%
mp5 0.00 165.93%
replenishment -0.00 -50.18%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom -0.00 -38.41%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2288.57 64.72% 83.43
windfury 810.17 22.91% 6.32
flametongue 437.59 12.37% 37.02
DPS 3536.32
MPS 0.00
MP2min 0.00
MRPS 93.52
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 18.69s
simulation speed: 1926472x
Last edited by Ryethe : 11/09/09 at 3:41 PM.
Afaik the 50% offhand proc rate is a relic from 1.0, from rogues testing, not taking into account the extra main hand strikes triggering extra procs. You can safely disregard that.
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You did not do a pure white hit test. You still have windfury on your main hand and flametongue on your off hand. Since your test includes windfury attacks, the enchant uptimes will be skewed in your results. In-game (or in a more standard simulation run), stormstrike and lava lash will balance this some, since they add more off hand swings.
Here is a test run of the BiS thread config with no weapon imbues, and all attacks turned off. Enchant uptimes are very similar now.
Here is a test run of the BiS thread config with no weapon imbues, and all attacks turned off. Enchant uptimes are very similar now.
EnhSim version 1.8.5.0
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MH:
miss 1190567 8.73%
dodge 45892 0.34%
glancing 3274297 24.01%
hit 2062187 15.12%
crit 7064564 51.80%
average ap 8375.71
clip 0 0.00%
OH:
miss 1191761 8.74%
dodge 46366 0.34%
glancing 3273344 24.00%
hit 2073985 15.21%
crit 7052053 51.71%
average ap 8361.05
clip 0 0.00%
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 35.80
flurry uptime 86.61%
unleashed rage uptime 0.00%
elemental devastation uptime 0.00%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 24.09%
oh enchant uptime 24.19%
trinket1 uptime 20.07%
trinket2 uptime 32.02%
racial uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 54.76%
mp5 0.00 99.34%
replenishment -0.00 -30.05%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom -0.00 -24.06%
shamanistic rage 0.00 0.00%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2780.68 100% 90.92
DPS 2780.68
MPS 0.00
MP2min 0.00
MRPS 97.74
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 13.97s
simulation speed: 1288659x
Last edited by Jessamy : 11/10/09 at 11:08 AM.
Levva, any chance you could update the default ep_* values in the default config file to reflect actual item budget? It doesn't matter per se as it's just used to calculate EP but with values like 40 AP, 20 haste, etc you'll have something closer to actual gear changes. Given an empty socket it's even a perfect simulation of how to gem an item. Default AP and SP EP values are just so much higher than everything else and I don't see why.
I've spent some time trying to get up to speed with Enhsim and Rawr, to try and help figure out where they disagree.
One difference is that Rawr uses the same average AP for all abilities, for Enhsim they come out different. ToQE accounts for a lot of that, as the lava lash that procs it doesn't get the effect. I can't prove that at the moment, though.
Also, Enhsim can proc something off a main hand Stormstrike and have that effect apply to the offhand. Offhand SS is showing more average AP then mainhand SS. Does this happen in the game too?
One difference is that Rawr uses the same average AP for all abilities, for Enhsim they come out different. ToQE accounts for a lot of that, as the lava lash that procs it doesn't get the effect. I can't prove that at the moment, though.
Also, Enhsim can proc something off a main hand Stormstrike and have that effect apply to the offhand. Offhand SS is showing more average AP then mainhand SS. Does this happen in the game too?
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Originally Posted by Murmor
I've spent some time trying to get up to speed with Enhsim and Rawr, to try and help figure out where they disagree.
One difference is that Rawr uses the same average AP for all abilities, for Enhsim they come out different. ToQE accounts for a lot of that, as the lava lash that procs it doesn't get the effect. I can't prove that at the moment, though. Also, Enhsim can proc something off a main hand Stormstrike and have that effect apply to the offhand. Offhand SS is showing more average AP then mainhand SS. Does this happen in the game too? |
This should at least smooth out the effects of ToQE you describe as in theory as the combat sim length tends to infinity so the variations should tend to zero and work out to be the average. This is of course unless there is a complex feedback mechanism such as with WF, MW5, ED & haste, where different rules apply and even Rawr needs an iterative approach.
On default config.txt - yup sure I can change them - Do we reckon that it should be just the value of 1 epic gem ie: 40 AP, 23 SP and 20 everything else?
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Originally Posted by Levva
On default config.txt - yup sure I can change them - Do we reckon that it should be just the value of 1 epic gem ie: 40 AP, 23 SP and 20 everything else?
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Originally Posted by Levva
I'd be interested to try an EnhSim with say 100,000 hours or more time to see if the average AP & SP settled down on each ability. I wouldn't believe the current variations at present as the sim length is too short to see them settle down.
This should at least smooth out the effects of ToQE you describe as in theory as the combat sim length tends to infinity so the variations should tend to zero and work out to be the average. This is of course unless there is a complex feedback mechanism such as with WF, MW5, ED & haste, where different rules apply and even Rawr needs an iterative approach. |
How sure are you that the Lava Lash that procs Volcanic Fury isn't affected by it? I would work on testing that conclusion in game before worrying about how that is modeled in the sim.
Shouldn't be hard to test. Stand sideways to a level 60 dummy naked with a white/grey slow offhand (to minimize the damage range and maximize the effect of the proc) and start Lava Lashing. Once you have a decent control sample, equip the totem and do a bunch tracking only the ones that proc and then clicking it off. If there is no difference in the average value of the ones that proc versus the control group then you have proved your theory.
Shouldn't be hard to test. Stand sideways to a level 60 dummy naked with a white/grey slow offhand (to minimize the damage range and maximize the effect of the proc) and start Lava Lashing. Once you have a decent control sample, equip the totem and do a bunch tracking only the ones that proc and then clicking it off. If there is no difference in the average value of the ones that proc versus the control group then you have proved your theory.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
How sure are you that the Lava Lash that procs Volcanic Fury isn't affected by it? I would work on testing that conclusion in game before worrying about how that is modeled in the sim.
Shouldn't be hard to test. Stand sideways to a level 60 dummy naked with a white/grey slow offhand (to minimize the damage range and maximize the effect of the proc) and start Lava Lashing. Once you have a decent control sample, equip the totem and do a bunch tracking only the ones that proc and then clicking it off. If there is no difference in the average value of the ones that proc versus the control group then you have proved your theory. |
With that in mind - the numbers for the 100,000 hour sim are:
Average AP for ability:
| MH | 7904.86 |
| MH WF | 7908.41 |
| MS SS | 7893.52 |
| OH | 7908.22 |
| OS SS | 7936.85 |
| LL | 7880.01 |
And the full output was
C:\Users\loz\Documents\src\EnhSim-30240\Release>EnhSim.exe murmor_config.txt
EnhSim version 1.8.5.2
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MH:
miss 9569330 4.07%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 56452751 24.00%
hit 53670936 22.82%
crit 115480121 49.10%
average ap 7904.86
clip 0 0.00%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.37%
procs/swings 15.80%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 41441974 47.91%
crit 45056958 52.09%
average ap 7908.41
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 18502635 47.99%
crit 20053607 52.01%
average ap 7893.52
OH:
miss 9955551 4.07%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 58680297 24.00%
hit 55742432 22.80%
crit 120141566 49.13%
average ap 7908.22
clip 0 0.00%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 191516379 60.53%
crit 124887936 39.47%
average sp 2973.16
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 18467924 47.90%
crit 20088318 52.10%
average ap 7936.85
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 29061539 60.53%
crit 18949065 39.47%
average sp 2973.66
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
hit 20630958 47.66%
crit 22652820 52.34%
average ap 7880.01
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 31854266 60.52%
crit 20779391 39.48%
average sp 2978.96
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 61874962 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
average sp 2982.48
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 40508300 24.00%
hit 108881100 64.51%
crit 19392856 11.49%
average ap 7917.94
Magma Totem:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 88767677 60.53%
crit 57873248 39.47%
average sp 2975.64
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 49.15
flurry uptime 90.68%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 74.05%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 43.69%
oh enchant uptime 37.68%
trinket1 uptime 32.46%
trinket2 uptime 18.07%
racial uptime 0.00%
totem uptime 91.40%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 18.03 8.71%
replenishment 38.47 18.58%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.96 4.33%
shamanistic rage 47.81 23.10%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 93.74 45.28%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2240.81 31.31% 79.95
windfury 947.24 13.23% 7.21
flametongue 577.49 8.07% 52.73
stormstrike 453.65 6.34% 6.43 35.41 16.03%
lava lash 369.12 5.16% 7.21 19.87 9.00%
magma totem 506.65 7.08% 2.49 46.29 20.96%
earth shock 585.70 8.18% 8.00 51.71 23.42%
lightning bolt 919.67 12.85% 8.77 64.27 29.10%
lightning shield 336.23 4.7% 1.15 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 220.80 3.08% 0.40 3.28 1.49%
DPS 7157.36
MPS 220.83
MP2min 26499.57
MRPS 214.56
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 100000.00h
elapsed real time: 560.74s
simulation speed: 642011x
#################
##ENHSIM CONFIG## //comment marks are # and //
## v1.8.5.2 ## //if you write comments on the same line with config line
################# //leave at least one space between the comment and value
//IMPORTANT: Be careful when inputting your stats. Read is the value rating or percent etc. Read the comments.
//You always input what you see on your character sheet/paper doll.
simulation_time 100000 //in hours, you can also input decimals ex. 0.05
simulation_time_combatlog 300 //in minutes
combat_length 10 //in minutes
combat_length_rng_factor 0.1 //Maximum random adjustment to add to each combat run, specified as a decimal % (0.1 = 10%)
report_count 80 //how many times the progress is reported during the simulation
threads 2 //number of threads to use, combatlogging always uses 1 thread
min_lag 250 //in milliseconds, lag means ping + player reaction time
max_lag 250 //1000 ms = 1s
simulate_mana 1 //{ 0 | 1 } if disabled, increases speed, but doesn't take mana limitations into account
########### //To understand the EP ranges you have to understand how EP values are calculated.
#EP RANGES# //For example, to calculate EP value of crit rating, first I simulate the normal "baseline" dps.
########### //Then I simulate dps with increased crit rating. I take the dps difference and divide it by the
//increased crit rating to get dps/crit rating value. EP range means how much crit rating did I increase.
//Watch the expertise and hit caps. For example if expertise goes over the cap resulting from too high EP
//range, the EP value will go lower than it should be. On the other hand, if you give too low EP ranges,
//you won't get accurate results. Best scenario is low EP ranges and high simulation time.
//If hit/spellhit or expertise is already over the cap, test will be skipped. Although you can
//give negative ep range to see how much EP is hit/expertise worth to have. To skip a test, use 0 as range.
//Which stat is used as baseline stat, meaning it gets EP value of 1. This is important when calculating EP values.
ep_precision 2 //how many digits there are in ep value?
ep_base_stat ap //{ ap | sp }
ep_ap 200
ep_crit_rating 30
ep_hit_rating 30
ep_expertise 4 //not rating
ep_haste_rating 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating 30
ep_spellpower 150
ep_dps 7.5
ep_mana 250
ep_spirit 150
ep_mp5 20
###################
#ROTATION AND MISC#
###################
mh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
oh_auto_attack 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 //max seconds to wait to SS, if wf cd is still up
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 //{ 0 | 1 } this is noted only if you have dual wf
bloodlust_casters 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 //cast LvB only if ED duration x or less seconds left
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast LvB
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 //{ 0 | 1 }
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 //maximum Flame Shock dot ticks left to cast Flame Shock
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 //maximum Lightning Shield charges left to cast LS
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1250 //maximum mana left to cast SR
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 //maximum mana left to use mana potion
//set the rotation priority
//SW = spirit wolves
//SS = stormstrike
//FS = flame shock
//ES = earth shock
//ES_SS = earth shock only if there are stormstrike charges
//Frost = frost shock
//MW5_LB = maelstrom weapon cast lightning bolt, min 5 charges
//MW3_CL = maelstrom weapon cast chain lightning, min 3 charges
//generic form: MWx_YY, x is 1-5 and YY is either LB or CL
//LS = lightning shield
//LL = lava lash
//LB = lightning bolt
//CL = chain lighting
//LVB = lava burst
//ST = searing totem
//MT = magma totem
//SR = shamanistic rage
rotation_priority_count 8
rotation_priority1 SW
rotation_priority2 SR
rotation_priority3 MW5_LB
rotation_priority4 SS
rotation_priority5 ES
rotation_priority6 LL
rotation_priority7 MT
rotation_priority8 LS
##########
#BOSS#####
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miss 8.00 //%
dodge 6.50 //%
glancing 24.00 //%
armor 10643
spell_miss 17.00 //%
nature_resistance 0 //effective resistances
fire_resistance 0
frost_resistance 0
arcane_resistance 0
shadow_resistance 0
###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ###
###############################################################################
##########
##########################################
### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ###
##########################################
config_source rawr
race tauren
mh_speed 2.7
oh_speed 2.6
mh_dps 196.5
oh_dps 196.5
mh_crit 33.08
oh_crit 33.08
mh_hit 16.93
oh_hit 16.93
mh_expertise_rating 144
oh_expertise_rating 144
ap 4373
melee_haste 12.37
armor_penetration 7.57
str 145
agi 1038
int 578
spi 165
spellpower 1312
spell_crit 23.37
spell_hit 21.16
spell_haste 9.52
max_mana 12786
mp5 0
mh_imbue windfury
oh_imbue flametongue
mh_enchant 3789
mh_weapon axe
oh_enchant 3789
oh_weapon axe
trinket1 47303
trinket2 45286
totem 47667
set_bonus1 worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus2 t9_battlegear_2
set_bonus3 -
metagem 41285
gloves_enchant -
cloak_enchant -
glyph_major1 flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2 stormstrike
glyph_major3 windfury_weapon
glyph_minor1 -
glyph_minor2 -
glyph_minor3 -
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1250
replenishment 1
water_shield 0
mana_spring_totem 0
blessing_of_wisdom 1
judgement_of_wisdom 1
#############
## Talents ##
#############
ancestral_knowledge 2/5
improved_shields 3/3
mental_dexterity 3/3
shamanistic_focus 1/1
flurry 5/5
elemental_weapons 3/3
unleashed_rage 3/3
weapon_mastery 3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness 3/3
improved_stormstrike 2/2
static_shock 3/3
maelstrom_weapon 5/5
convection 0/5
concussion 5/5
call_of_flame 3/3
elemental_devastation 3/3
reverberation 0/5
elemental_focus 0/1
elemental_fury 5/5
call_of_thunder 0/1
unrelenting_storm 0/3
elemental_precision 0/3
lightning_mastery 0/5
elemental_oath 0/2
lightning_overload 0/5
lava_flows 0/3
storm_earth_and_fire 0/3
shamanism 0/5
#########
# Buffs #
#########
armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat 687/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier 0.0/99.7
spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
haste_buff 3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff 51/52
agi_and_strength_buff 178/178
intellect_buff 60/60
bloodlust_casters 1
flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir -
potion potion_of_speed
food fish_feast
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Originally Posted by Murmor
Fair point. I did this test and it didn't take long to conclude that LL works the way I thought. For the record with only [Hammer] in the offhand LL hits for 70-77 regardless of whether ToQE procs or not. Once the proc is active it will hit for about 110-120. It was pretty obvious that nothing more detailed was required.
With that in mind - the numbers for the 100,000 hour sim are: Average AP for ability:
And the full output was |
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Originally Posted by Levva
Interesting MH is lower than base OH is higher. Any theories as to why?
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In game on Stormstrike, the main hand does hit before the off-hand, that is not difficult to verify and has been tested. In the case of windfury proc at least the proc is applied before the off-hand swing (in previous testing if windfury is applied to both weapons the MH will have a higher proc rate than the OH). I do not know if that means that other types of procs are applied before the OH hit though.
Edit: If the OH SS AP was actually higher in game, wouldn't the OH SS damage before more than half the MH SS damage? I just spent some time looking over WoL parses and in every large combatlog the OH SS was 50% of MH SS +- 1%. That does not seem to match what I would expect if the EnhSim behavior was correct? This is far from conclusive as 20 or so hours of in game combat comes nowhere near to the 5,000-10,000 hours of EnhSim runs, but it does make me question.
Last edited by stassart : 11/12/09 at 10:17 AM.
I ran some simple tests in game, with a hammer in one hand and a weapon with berserking on in the other to see how Stormstrike works.
What I concluded is that:
1. Either both MH and OH hit (either can be a crit), or SS as a whole is parried/dodged/missed. To me, it looks like Enhsim can have OH miss/parry/dodge independently of MH hit.
2. Berserking proc on MH nearly always affects the OH. I saw one occasion when it didn't. As hard as I stared at it, the number didn't change.
3. UR procs off the MH don't affect the OH
What I couldn't answer without a much longer test, (or for the rich, putting berserking on a hammer). Is whether the ability that procs berserking gets the AP bonus or not. My numbers are suggestive that it doesn't, but not conclusive.
What I concluded is that:
1. Either both MH and OH hit (either can be a crit), or SS as a whole is parried/dodged/missed. To me, it looks like Enhsim can have OH miss/parry/dodge independently of MH hit.
2. Berserking proc on MH nearly always affects the OH. I saw one occasion when it didn't. As hard as I stared at it, the number didn't change.
3. UR procs off the MH don't affect the OH
What I couldn't answer without a much longer test, (or for the rich, putting berserking on a hammer). Is whether the ability that procs berserking gets the AP bonus or not. My numbers are suggestive that it doesn't, but not conclusive.
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Originally Posted by Murmor
I ran some simple tests in game, with a hammer in one hand and a weapon with berserking on in the other to see how Stormstrike works.
What I concluded is that: 1. Either both MH and OH hit (either can be a crit), or SS as a whole is parried/dodged/missed. To me, it looks like Enhsim can have OH miss/parry/dodge independently of MH hit. 2. Berserking proc on MH nearly always affects the OH. I saw one occasion when it didn't. As hard as I stared at it, the number didn't change. 3. UR procs off the MH don't affect the OH What I couldn't answer without a much longer test, (or for the rich, putting berserking on a hammer). Is whether the ability that procs berserking gets the AP bonus or not. My numbers are suggestive that it doesn't, but not conclusive. |
Just to let people know I've had two individuals put themselves forward to assist with adding the T10 stuff to EnhSim, Eralun and Arbreng. Eralun will help with general coding and features, Arbreng is keen to get the multi-threading working again to dramatically speed up the time it takes the sim to complete.
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Last edited by Torcha : 11/13/09 at 9:21 PM.
Further update...
Ziff has also now joined the EnhSim team and will be checking in his T10 patch changes soon. So hopefully we can have v1.9.0 ready BEFORE patch 3.3 hits.
Ziff has also now joined the EnhSim team and will be checking in his T10 patch changes soon. So hopefully we can have v1.9.0 ready BEFORE patch 3.3 hits.
Call of Flame and Fire Nova
I do not have logs, and am not sure how to link talents from the PTR if it is possible. Sorry for that. However, I haven't seen a reply yet to Rouncer's question as to whether Call of Flame affects the new Fire Nova spell.
The tooltip on the talent on the PTR says: Increases the damage done by your fire totems and Fire Nova by 5/10/15% and the damage done by your Lava Burst spell by 2/4/6%.
To ensure that it was actually working as the tooltip made it appear, I did a statistically insignificant number of tests (because I knew I couldn't show logs and was only checking to make sure there was no bug). First I tested on a target dummy with 5 points spent in Convection and no other talent points spent. Normal hits were between 942 and 980, with a crit of 1444. Damage went up gradually with each point spent in Call of Flame, culminating in a non-crit average of 1126 and a crit of 1771.
I was using a Frost Resistance totem to avoid any effects from the totem itself, and wore the same gear for all testing. (I didn't have the bag space to go naked.)
The tooltip on the talent on the PTR says: Increases the damage done by your fire totems and Fire Nova by 5/10/15% and the damage done by your Lava Burst spell by 2/4/6%.
To ensure that it was actually working as the tooltip made it appear, I did a statistically insignificant number of tests (because I knew I couldn't show logs and was only checking to make sure there was no bug). First I tested on a target dummy with 5 points spent in Convection and no other talent points spent. Normal hits were between 942 and 980, with a crit of 1444. Damage went up gradually with each point spent in Call of Flame, culminating in a non-crit average of 1126 and a crit of 1771.
I was using a Frost Resistance totem to avoid any effects from the totem itself, and wore the same gear for all testing. (I didn't have the bag space to go naked.)
I've just added Elam author of various articles & guides on EnhSim to the EnhSim project as a documentation editor. He will take on the task of updating the wiki on the EnhSim website. He should be able to start soon on fleshing out the wiki with various articles and compiling some proper documentation, and how to guides.
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I doubt this deserves it's own thread, and since it's dependent on EnhSim I'll just post it here. Included is the compiled EXE and the source AU3, it's an AutoIt Script file.
[e] Ha, I forgot the program's description. It's the program Levva was talking about that will run a bunch of simulations, change the RNG factor's in the config files, and save the results into a CSV file. This is also Windows ONLY.
http://dl3.dropbox.com/u/816613/rngOmatic.rar
It's operation's pretty straight forward. You type in the value which combat_length_rng_factor will incriment ex: 0.05,0.1,0.15... until it hits it's maximum, defaulted to 1. You'll want to hit "Create Configs" before you start it. It'll look at the original config in the 3rd input box, copy it and modify it and create as many as you want until it hits the maximum RNG factor. Just drop this in your enhsim directory and it's good to go.
Then hit Start and it'll run enhsim with the appropriate config file, and parse the outputs automatically and dump it to the rngOutput.txt everytime the RNG factor changes, or every 10 sims.
This script will output the results into a text file, but it's format should be compatible with any spreadsheet software. Just change the filetype to *.csv
Sample output:
rng,dps1,dps2,...,dps10
0.05,3065.08,3065.02,3065.73,3065.06,3065.35,3065.32,3064.95,3064.80,3065.32,3064.34
0.1,3064.57,3064.46,3065.00,3064.96,3065.44,3064.58,3064.63,3065.67,3064.42,3064.36
If you want to stop it while it's working, you'll have to right click the tray icon and exit that way.
There's no INI support, but it didn't seem like a big deal because there's only 3 inputs and it'll take quite a while for a full run.
You shouldn't have to worry about enhsim updates breaking this, as long as you don't change the names of the DPS result and combat_length_rng_factor.
**note: This script is using a quick and dirty way of monitoring CPU usage, which it uses as a notification that it's finished simming. It takes the cpu% off the status bar. You can minimize taskmgr.exe if you want to. Just don't close it. The default cpu% threshold is 50%
Let me know if any extra features are needed like being able to change the # of sims per RNG or something. And of course if you find any bugs.
Revision 8
*Added: EJ Table formatting, It's now completely copy-paste friendly. You will have to manually add STDEV values, however.
I did include that column in the header.
*Added: Hours to time estimation
*More tuning
Revision 7
*Added: Added a file open dialogue to find config.txt easier
*Fixed: fixed derivative configs not updating combat_length_rng_factor
Revision 6
*Quite a large speed increase and is way more reliable now (15-20mins off a standard run)
Revision 5
*Added: rngOutput.txt now has the incriment and maximum in it's name eg: rngOut_0.05_to_1.txt
*Added: sims per RNG, this lets you alter how many passes it makes per incriment, default 10
*Added: Add a starting point, so you can resume. Things happen
Revision 4
*Fixed the sim loop only working with 0.05
*It now starts with a config at 0 RNG factor
Revision 3
*Decided versions aren't my style
*Further corrections to estimated time
Version 1.0.1
*Added nopause too the end of execute string, nice time reduction
*Fixed time estimation
*No more includes, pulled everything into script. Reduced it's size by 2/3
Version 1
*Initial release
[e] Ha, I forgot the program's description. It's the program Levva was talking about that will run a bunch of simulations, change the RNG factor's in the config files, and save the results into a CSV file. This is also Windows ONLY.
http://dl3.dropbox.com/u/816613/rngOmatic.rar
It's operation's pretty straight forward. You type in the value which combat_length_rng_factor will incriment ex: 0.05,0.1,0.15... until it hits it's maximum, defaulted to 1. You'll want to hit "Create Configs" before you start it. It'll look at the original config in the 3rd input box, copy it and modify it and create as many as you want until it hits the maximum RNG factor. Just drop this in your enhsim directory and it's good to go.
Then hit Start and it'll run enhsim with the appropriate config file, and parse the outputs automatically and dump it to the rngOutput.txt everytime the RNG factor changes, or every 10 sims.
This script will output the results into a text file, but it's format should be compatible with any spreadsheet software. Just change the filetype to *.csv
Sample output:
rng,dps1,dps2,...,dps10
0.05,3065.08,3065.02,3065.73,3065.06,3065.35,3065.32,3064.95,3064.80,3065.32,3064.34
0.1,3064.57,3064.46,3065.00,3064.96,3065.44,3064.58,3064.63,3065.67,3064.42,3064.36
If you want to stop it while it's working, you'll have to right click the tray icon and exit that way.
There's no INI support, but it didn't seem like a big deal because there's only 3 inputs and it'll take quite a while for a full run.
You shouldn't have to worry about enhsim updates breaking this, as long as you don't change the names of the DPS result and combat_length_rng_factor.
**note: This script is using a quick and dirty way of monitoring CPU usage, which it uses as a notification that it's finished simming. It takes the cpu% off the status bar. You can minimize taskmgr.exe if you want to. Just don't close it. The default cpu% threshold is 50%
Let me know if any extra features are needed like being able to change the # of sims per RNG or something. And of course if you find any bugs.
[top]Change Log
Revision 8
*Added: EJ Table formatting, It's now completely copy-paste friendly. You will have to manually add STDEV values, however.
I did include that column in the header.
*Added: Hours to time estimation
*More tuning
Revision 7
*Added: Added a file open dialogue to find config.txt easier
*Fixed: fixed derivative configs not updating combat_length_rng_factor
Revision 6
*Quite a large speed increase and is way more reliable now (15-20mins off a standard run)
Revision 5
*Added: rngOutput.txt now has the incriment and maximum in it's name eg: rngOut_0.05_to_1.txt
*Added: sims per RNG, this lets you alter how many passes it makes per incriment, default 10
*Added: Add a starting point, so you can resume. Things happen
Revision 4
*Fixed the sim loop only working with 0.05
*It now starts with a config at 0 RNG factor
Revision 3
*Decided versions aren't my style
*Further corrections to estimated time
Version 1.0.1
*Added nopause too the end of execute string, nice time reduction
*Fixed time estimation
*No more includes, pulled everything into script. Reduced it's size by 2/3
Version 1
*Initial release
Last edited by Extenze : 11/24/09 at 3:11 PM.
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edit: It appears that even though setting increment to 0.01 correctly created 100 config files, the executable is only using config files in steps of 0.05. I'll let the run finish to completion anyway, but it looks like I'll only be providing 1/5 as much data as I had hoped. Also for more satisfactory comparison, it would be nice to have the program run through with an rng factor of 0 too.
edit2: I'll do it again with 0.01 using r4 of the executable, but here are the data I have available for now. For rigor and disclosure purposes, seed config file is from the OP of the BiS thread (boss armor corrected but otherwise unchanged).
edit3: I ran it with rng factor step size of 0.50 just to be able to get data for the zero condition to add to the output data. I took a first actual look at the output data and it appears that the rng factor has no affect at all, which I know isn't true from my earlier runs a few weeks ago. So I opened up a few of the config files created by the rngOmatic executable, and combat_length_rng_factor was still set to 0; the script didn't edit the file. So I guess I have a very large (110 points) sample size for one unmodified config file. I'll manually edit some config files for my next run.
For what it's worth, the average (mean) of the accidental data is 9360.28, with a stdev of 0.94.
config:
output (data useless for rng factor purposes):
edit2: I'll do it again with 0.01 using r4 of the executable, but here are the data I have available for now. For rigor and disclosure purposes, seed config file is from the OP of the BiS thread (boss armor corrected but otherwise unchanged).
edit3: I ran it with rng factor step size of 0.50 just to be able to get data for the zero condition to add to the output data. I took a first actual look at the output data and it appears that the rng factor has no affect at all, which I know isn't true from my earlier runs a few weeks ago. So I opened up a few of the config files created by the rngOmatic executable, and combat_length_rng_factor was still set to 0; the script didn't edit the file. So I guess I have a very large (110 points) sample size for one unmodified config file. I'll manually edit some config files for my next run.
For what it's worth, the average (mean) of the accidental data is 9360.28, with a stdev of 0.94.
config:
### Saved by v1.8.5.2 of EnhSimGUI simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 30 combat_length 10 report_count 80 threads 1 combat_length_rng_factor 0 min_lag 50 max_lag 60 simulate_mana 1 ep_precision 3 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 200 ep_crit_rating 30 ep_hit_rating 30 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 30 ep_armor_penetration_rating 30 ep_spellpower 150 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 250 ep_spirit 150 ep_mp5 20 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 1 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 1 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 4000 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 11 rotation_priority1 SR rotation_priority2 SW rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 ES_SS rotation_priority5 SS rotation_priority6 ES rotation_priority7 MT rotation_priority8 LS rotation_priority9 LL rotation_priority10 MW3_LB rotation_priority11 MW4_LB miss 8.0 dodge 6.5 glancing 24.0 armor 10643 spell_miss 17.0 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 99.7/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race tauren mh_speed 2.6 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 216.5 oh_dps 216.5 mh_crit 41.81 oh_crit 41.81 mh_hit 12.26 oh_hit 12.26 mh_expertise_rating 128 oh_expertise_rating 128 ap 5444 melee_haste 21.61 armor_penetration 22.90 str 151 agi 1339 int 742 spi 171 spellpower 1633 spell_crit 29.48 spell_hit 15.32 spell_haste 16.62 max_mana 15246 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon - oh_weapon - trinket1 45609 trinket2 47464 totem 47666 set_bonus1 t9_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 stormstrike glyph_major3 windfury_weapon glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 1/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 4/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
0,9360.03,9359.41,9360.41,9360.19,9358.83,9360.11,9361.08,9359.56,9358.52,9359.16 0,9360.09,9358.51,9359.70,9359.48,9360.90,9362.15,9360.90,9358.65,9358.99,9360.22 0,9359.06,9360.72,9360.23,9359.71,9359.92,9360.40,9359.46,9361.46,9359.59,9361.37 0,9359.61,9359.71,9360.50,9359.55,9360.76,9360.72,9359.77,9359.17,9361.55,9362.39 0,9359.68,9360.33,9359.37,9360.75,9359.39,9359.29,9362.79,9360.35,9360.36,9361.02 0,9359.27,9360.16,9360.78,9360.55,9360.79,9359.97,9359.53,9361.77,9360.37,9359.76 0,9360.58,9359.38,9361.95,9362.08,9359.89,9361.32,9361.75,9360.65,9359.59,9361.11 0,9360.26,9361.64,9360.88,9359.91,9360.86,9360.11,9359.10,9361.36,9361.03,9360.29 0,9359.85,9361.46,9358.90,9361.47,9360.64,9359.33,9360.37,9361.20,9358.54,9360.63 0,9360.82,9360.16,9359.79,9360.80,9360.82,9361.51,9360.60,9361.46,9360.58,9360.47 0,9360.50,9360.16,9360.66,9359.78,9359.42,9360.52,9358.59,9361.00,9359.66,9359.92 0,9359.17,9361.69,9360.59,9360.94,9361.94,9359.09,9359.44,9359.63,9360.76,9361.91 0,9359.47,9362.60,9359.30,9360.41,9362.08,9362.32,9360.37,9359.09,9359.47,9360.53 0,9361.01,9359.21,9359.98,9359.38,9359.41,9360.71,9360.50,9360.92,9358.59,9359.10 0,9358.92,9361.59,9360.29,9360.67,9360.79,9360.38,9361.54,9359.58,9359.04,9360.53 0,9360.33,9360.61,9361.06,9359.74,9360.48,9359.54,9362.04,9360.45,9358.99,9361.36 0,9361.21,9360.37,9361.35,9359.80,9359.65,9358.67,9359.57,9360.14,9360.62,9360.23 0,9358.57,9361.10,9359.14,9360.51,9359.70,9361.34,9359.56,9362.19,9360.45,9361.37 0,9361.22,9359.69,9361.44,9360.84,9359.91,9360.71,9360.26,9361.08,9359.99,9360.15 0,9361.22,9359.39,9358.49,9359.70,9359.87,9361.05,9360.36,9359.72,9361.62,9361.42 0,9359.21,9358.98,9358.83,9359.08,9361.37,9360.15,9358.86,9358.89,9359.98,9360.77
Last edited by Jessamy : 11/22/09 at 11:30 PM.
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New version. Jessamy I can't see how it completed a whole run without changing the RNG, it's tied into variable that decides how to kill it so I dunno what to say.
Revision 5
*Added: rngOutput.txt now has the incriment and maximum in it's name eg: rngOut_0.05_to_1.txt
*Added: sims per RNG, this lets you alter how many passes it makes per incriment, default 10
*Added: Add a starting point, so you can change what RNG it starts at, like .4 or .8 instead of always starting at 0. Things happen
Revision 5
*Added: rngOutput.txt now has the incriment and maximum in it's name eg: rngOut_0.05_to_1.txt
*Added: sims per RNG, this lets you alter how many passes it makes per incriment, default 10
*Added: Add a starting point, so you can change what RNG it starts at, like .4 or .8 instead of always starting at 0. Things happen
Last edited by Extenze : 11/23/09 at 12:04 AM.
After all that, I stand by my much earlier statement -- if we are using a 10 minute fight duration, a 35% rng factor is reasonable.
0.00,9358.69,9360.11,9360.61,9360.15,9361.05,9361.61,9361.06,9362.76,9359.69,9360.11 0.05,9374.32,9376.73,9375.44,9376.35,9375.58,9375.34,9374.70,9378.06,9375.74,9377.05 0.10,9378.03,9377.90,9378.14,9376.15,9375.08,9376.72,9377.44,9377.80,9375.62,9378.01 0.15,9376.71,9376.74,9378.34,9378.26,9376.37,9377.91,9376.55,9376.78,9377.39,9376.95 0.20,9375.91,9375.97,9376.50,9374.61,9377.70,9376.91,9376.02,9377.38,9378.42,9376.37 0.25,9379.82,9377.57,9378.94,9378.03,9378.36,9376.08,9379.50,9376.90,9378.38,9377.79 0.30,9384.19,9383.62,9383.17,9384.02,9385.05,9383.53,9383.26,9383.56,9382.83,9383.71 0.35,9386.27,9385.75,9387.03,9390.06,9386.87,9387.71,9386.55,9385.64,9387.15,9387.48 0.40,9387.20,9387.41,9387.56,9387.44,9386.46,9386.72,9385.43,9385.77,9386.80,9387.34 0.45,9384.73,9385.09,9387.51,9384.92,9384.88,9386.01,9385.41,9386.63,9385.90,9385.66 0.50,9384.31,9384.75,9385.40,9385.30,9382.64,9384.23,9386.30,9385.23,9383.85,9383.68 0.55,9383.21,9385.12,9384.10,9385.72,9384.69,9384.61,9384.99,9383.84,9386.25,9385.62 0.60,9385.62,9385.08,9385.77,9388.07,9387.82,9386.19,9385.66,9386.73,9387.54,9386.73 0.65,9387.12,9386.13,9388.51,9390.00,9389.10,9386.24,9387.59,9388.31,9389.87,9388.53 0.70,9389.38,9388.33,9387.53,9388.59,9386.81,9386.06,9387.94,9389.10,9387.79,9388.21 0.75,9387.92,9387.34,9386.22,9387.99,9385.71,9386.07,9387.19,9386.75,9387.46,9388.41 0.80,9387.10,9386.97,9385.15,9389.28,9386.95,9386.40,9384.86,9385.81,9385.33,9385.36 0.85,9386.58,9386.49,9383.74,9385.30,9386.01,9386.08,9386.47,9385.72,9386.14,9387.11 0.90,9387.29,9386.59,9386.99,9385.97,9387.16,9384.78,9386.41,9387.14,9387.39,9385.69 0.95,9386.66,9388.74,9384.89,9388.90,9388.18,9388.57,9388.07,9386.85,9388.91,9388.04 1.00,9385.58,9385.36,9385.74,9385.78,9386.02,9387.14,9386.80,9385.66,9387.28,9386.63
0.00,9360.584,1.118 0.05,9375.931,1.128 0.10,9377.089,1.122 0.15,9377.200,0.728 0.20,9376.579,1.078 0.25,9378.137,1.138 0.30,9383.694,0.619 0.35,9387.051,1.259 0.40,9386.813,0.736 0.45,9385.674,0.879 0.50,9384.569,1.049 0.55,9384.815,0.928 0.60,9386.521,1.028 0.65,9388.140,1.362 0.70,9387.974,1.003 0.75,9387.106,0.898 0.80,9386.321,1.327 0.85,9385.964,0.926 0.90,9386.541,0.843 0.95,9387.781,1.285 1.00,9386.199,0.699
Revision 6
*Quite a large speed increase and is way more reliable now
*Quite a large speed increase and is way more reliable now
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Aiming for a beta release of v1.9.0.0 at 5pm GMT Tuesday 24th November 2009. This will NOT be suitable for general use, it is intended for serious testers only. ie: we will need feedback on the EnhSim site please on any issues found. It would also be useful for testers to provide feedback to say that new stuff or things that have changed actually work.
If there are things that need to be included in v1.9.0 for patch 3.3 and they are not already covered PLEASE raise an issue so that its on the to do list. EnhSim - Issue Tracker
NB. Fire Elemental is on the to do list
V1.9.0 Changes
Following calculations on EJ EnhSim thread setting default combat length variation to 35%
Added a config_version parameter to config.txt
Added warning if config version doesn't match program version to reduce chances of people using old config files.
Added extra priorities to default priority list.
Added in the T10 2 piece and 4 piece bonus
Refactored the way set bonuses are done to deal with the two bonuses on T10 that are proc based
Added a new switch called 'cast_sr_on_cooldown', to help deal with when the T10 2p bonus can be triggered. Haven't added it to the UI until it's clear this option is the correct way to add this.
added mixology buff option.
Fixed progress bar under linux.
SS_0. Stormstrike if no SS debuff on the target (Zif's patch)
LL_QE. Lava Lash if Quaking Earth buff not active (Zif's patch)
** WoW Patch 3.3 **
- Fire Nova spell
- Fire Nova Glyph
- Fire Nova talent
Added an uptime tracker for the fire totems. (magma and searing totem)
Fixed a message box issue which occured when the app couldn't find the last used config file (it will now only show this message box the first time it runs into this problem)
Fixed a bug with saving the settings from EnhSimGUI under windows7
Change config to have EP Steps equivalent to 2 epic gems
GUI : Added check for Rawr copy data to clipboard being used in error.
Updated Weapon_Enchants.cpp with optimisations to save double calculating stuff for combat log output
If there are things that need to be included in v1.9.0 for patch 3.3 and they are not already covered PLEASE raise an issue so that its on the to do list. EnhSim - Issue Tracker
NB. Fire Elemental is on the to do list
V1.9.0 Changes
Following calculations on EJ EnhSim thread setting default combat length variation to 35%
Added a config_version parameter to config.txt
Added warning if config version doesn't match program version to reduce chances of people using old config files.
Added extra priorities to default priority list.
Added in the T10 2 piece and 4 piece bonus
Refactored the way set bonuses are done to deal with the two bonuses on T10 that are proc based
Added a new switch called 'cast_sr_on_cooldown', to help deal with when the T10 2p bonus can be triggered. Haven't added it to the UI until it's clear this option is the correct way to add this.
added mixology buff option.
Fixed progress bar under linux.
SS_0. Stormstrike if no SS debuff on the target (Zif's patch)
LL_QE. Lava Lash if Quaking Earth buff not active (Zif's patch)
** WoW Patch 3.3 **
- Fire Nova spell
- Fire Nova Glyph
- Fire Nova talent
Added an uptime tracker for the fire totems. (magma and searing totem)
Fixed a message box issue which occured when the app couldn't find the last used config file (it will now only show this message box the first time it runs into this problem)
Fixed a bug with saving the settings from EnhSimGUI under windows7
Change config to have EP Steps equivalent to 2 epic gems
GUI : Added check for Rawr copy data to clipboard being used in error.
Updated Weapon_Enchants.cpp with optimisations to save double calculating stuff for combat log output
Last edited by Levva : 11/23/09 at 8:10 AM.
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Using the same config as Jessamy. 10k hour sims
edit: Wouldn't it be more helpful to find the high-low rather than the stdev?
edit2: you're correct, I'll figure it out
edit3: Alright I figured out the issue with the config files. My regular expression is matching a decimal value, and if the original config.txt has a 0 for the combat_length_rng_factor then my expression doesn't return an array and thus doesn't get edited. So, don't have it = 0. I'll add some error checking on that.
edit4: I just made the decimal not mandatory, I'll have a new build up after I'm done simming. 159m left
edit: Wouldn't it be more helpful to find the high-low rather than the stdev?
edit2: you're correct, I'll figure it out
edit3: Alright I figured out the issue with the config files. My regular expression is matching a decimal value, and if the original config.txt has a 0 for the combat_length_rng_factor then my expression doesn't return an array and thus doesn't get edited. So, don't have it = 0. I'll add some error checking on that.
edit4: I just made the decimal not mandatory, I'll have a new build up after I'm done simming. 159m left
Last edited by Extenze : 11/23/09 at 3:52 PM.
Extenze, are you sure your rng is changing? Your numbers seem to all be the same as the 0% case. Try opening up config0.15.txt (or whatever) and check the combat_length_rng_factor line. To produce my output I manually edited that line.
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I double checked this time. 10k hour simulations with the BIS config.
Revision 7
*Added: Added a file open dialogue to find config.txt easier
*Fixed: fixed derivative configs not updating combat_length_rng_factor
I'm also gonna work on auto setting cpu affinities so I can get this done 2x as fast.
Revision 7
*Added: Added a file open dialogue to find config.txt easier
*Fixed: fixed derivative configs not updating combat_length_rng_factor
I'm also gonna work on auto setting cpu affinities so I can get this done 2x as fast.
| Variance % | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Std Deviation |
| 0 | 9358.89 | 9360.55 | 9360.05 | 9360.13 | 9359.05 | 9359.7 | 9360.62 | 9361.28 | 9361.6 | 9361.2 | 0.92 |
| 0.05 | 9375.89 | 9375.56 | 9376.53 | 9375.32 | 9374.53 | 9375.39 | 9375.8 | 9375.28 | 9374.83 | 9374.19 | 0.69 |
| 0.1 | 9378.28 | 9378.29 | 9378.68 | 9379.47 | 9378.36 | 9379.22 | 9379.39 | 9377.87 | 9378.32 | 9379.09 | 0.56 |
| 0.15 | 9376.36 | 9377.09 | 9378.44 | 9377.07 | 9376.44 | 9376.11 | 9376.77 | 9376.55 | 9377.67 | 9377.18 | 0.69 |
| 0.2 | 9377.81 | 9376.49 | 9375.91 | 9377.71 | 9376.88 | 9376.61 | 9376.35 | 9377 | 9376.1 | 9377.78 | 0.7 |
| 0.25 | 9378.18 | 9378.71 | 9377.89 | 9377.62 | 9378.01 | 9378.37 | 9379.07 | 9377.68 | 9377.84 | 9378.45 | 0.47 |
| 0.3 | 9383.45 | 9381.71 | 9382.54 | 9384.37 | 9383.08 | 9384.35 | 9383.61 | 9383.39 | 9383.88 | 9383.73 | 0.81 |
| 0.35 | 9387.08 | 9386.04 | 9387.59 | 9387.84 | 9386.41 | 9387.71 | 9386.11 | 9387.52 | 9387.18 | 9387.84 | 0.7 |
| 0.4 | 9386.13 | 9386.65 | 9387.61 | 9386.46 | 9387.07 | 9387.66 | 9387.28 | 9386.1 | 9387.99 | 9386.85 | 0.66 |
| 0.45 | 9386.25 | 9385.88 | 9384.84 | 9385.61 | 9384.99 | 9385.97 | 9386.12 | 9384.51 | 9386.67 | 9384.51 | 0.77 |
| 0.5 | 9385.02 | 9384.74 | 9383.81 | 9384.85 | 9383.97 | 9384.94 | 9384.57 | 9383.64 | 9383.66 | 9384.34 | 0.54 |
| 0.55 | 9386.14 | 9384.98 | 9383.3 | 9384.91 | 9384.54 | 9384.34 | 9383.76 | 9384.12 | 9382.23 | 9384.5 | 1.05 |
| 0.6 | 9386.46 | 9386.65 | 9387.22 | 9385.85 | 9386.23 | 9386.11 | 9386.24 | 9386.09 | 9386.47 | 9384.75 | 0.64 |
| 0.65 | 9389.82 | 9387.69 | 9388.24 | 9387.47 | 9387.18 | 9389.05 | 9388.39 | 9388.38 | 9388.36 | 9387.69 | 0.78 |
| 0.7 | 9387.73 | 9388.47 | 9388.55 | 9387.69 | 9389.14 | 9389.35 | 9388.18 | 9387.82 | 9388.9 | 9387.12 | 0.71 |
| 0.75 | 9387.71 | 9386.58 | 9386.11 | 9387.38 | 9387.01 | 9386.93 | 9387.7 | 9387.19 | 9386.15 | 9387.98 | 0.65 |
| 0.8 | 9385.88 | 9385.9 | 9386.57 | 9387.25 | 9385.55 | 9386.99 | 9386.75 | 9387.26 | 9385.99 | 9386.46 | 0.61 |
| 0.85 | 9385.7 | 9386.02 | 9385.43 | 9384.63 | 9386.15 | 9386.89 | 9388.01 | 9386.12 | 9385.37 | 9386.55 | 0.93 |
| 0.9 | 9385.62 | 9385.75 | 9387.51 | 9387.89 | 9387.26 | 9387.74 | 9385.88 | 9386.74 | 9386.51 | 9388.04 | 0.92 |
| 0.95 | 9387.98 | 9388.65 | 9389.05 | 9387.45 | 9387.63 | 9388.5 | 9389.48 | 9387.42 | 9389.59 | 9389.62 | 0.91 |
| 1 | 9386.63 | 9386.6 | 9385.97 | 9385.2 | 9388.44 | 9387.09 | 9386.15 | 9387.5 | 9387.07 | 9387.39 |
Last edited by Extenze : 11/23/09 at 8:57 PM.
Guys for these tests PLEASE use more than one config.txt you are getting large samples on the data which is great but if that only holds true for that file and is completely different for other files we are screwed.
Please use the default config.txt file as supplied in the download + say 3 or 4 random Enh Shammy's. Please note the BiS thread config.txt file is invalid as its a v1.7.0 config file.
Please use the default config.txt file as supplied in the download + say 3 or 4 random Enh Shammy's. Please note the BiS thread config.txt file is invalid as its a v1.7.0 config file.
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Also could you start formating the data as a table before I go blind trying to look for truth inside those walls of numbers.
[ table ] and use | for breaks between data points and hit enter for the next line of the table
Maybe something like this:
Or just skip the Table=head part and have your script output swap all the commas for | then you could just copy/paste the output between [ table ] and [ /table ] and it would be far more legible and easy to comprehend.
[ table ] and use | for breaks between data points and hit enter for the next line of the table
Maybe something like this:
| Variance % | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Data | Std Deviation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 9358.89 | 9360.55 | 9360.05 | 9360.13 | 9359.05 | 9359.7 | 9360.62 | 9361.28 | 9361.6 | 9361.2 | 0.92 |
| 0.05 | 9375.89 | 9375.56 | 9376.53 | 9375.32 | 9374.53 | 9375.39 | 9375.8 | 9375.28 | 9374.83 | 9374.19 | 0.69 |
| 0.1 | 9378.28 | 9378.29 | 9378.68 | 9379.47 | 9378.36 | 9379.22 | 9379.39 | 9377.87 | 9378.32 | 9379.09 | 0.59 |
Or just skip the Table=head part and have your script output swap all the commas for | then you could just copy/paste the output between [ table ] and [ /table ] and it would be far more legible and easy to comprehend.
Last edited by Rouncer : 11/23/09 at 8:06 PM.
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Graphing it makes it easier to see...
From zero theres a sharp rise at 5%, a levelling off between 5% and 30% then a sharp rise again at 35% which remains fairly constant thereafter.
This is the source of my concern. I'm wondering if the sharp rises are nothing more than haste sweet spots for that specific config file. If it can be re-run for other characters.
eg: Levva, Khadgar, EU
Rouncer, Mal'Ganis, US
Barawr, Blade's Edge, US
NB. v1.9.0.0 of EnhSim will be released in around 2 hours, so better using that and it's config file as a fresh baseline.
[Edit]: v1.9.0.0 now released
From zero theres a sharp rise at 5%, a levelling off between 5% and 30% then a sharp rise again at 35% which remains fairly constant thereafter.
This is the source of my concern. I'm wondering if the sharp rises are nothing more than haste sweet spots for that specific config file. If it can be re-run for other characters.
eg: Levva, Khadgar, EU
Rouncer, Mal'Ganis, US
Barawr, Blade's Edge, US
NB. v1.9.0.0 of EnhSim will be released in around 2 hours, so better using that and it's config file as a fresh baseline.
[Edit]: v1.9.0.0 now released
Last edited by Levva : 11/24/09 at 1:41 PM.
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So I started playing with 1.9 and it seems that haste is gaining even more value with the introduction of Fire Nova because of GCD starvation (e: scratch most of that - seems to be an issue with Magma Totem refreshment - move that to a much higher priority and haste drops down to a more normal level. Most likely due to the inability to refresh Magma Totem early in the Sim).
Would it be possible to add a "cleave" option to EnhSim? So that it would run the simulations with a primary target and a selectable number of additional targets? Maybe lock that option to 10 at most so the AoE cap wouldn't have to be incorporated (or just don't lock it but have it throw an error to the board saying that the results will be inaccurate due to the AoE cap)?
I'd love to be able to work out better priorities/rotation for fights like Twins or Anub.
Would it be possible to add a "cleave" option to EnhSim? So that it would run the simulations with a primary target and a selectable number of additional targets? Maybe lock that option to 10 at most so the AoE cap wouldn't have to be incorporated (or just don't lock it but have it throw an error to the board saying that the results will be inaccurate due to the AoE cap)?
I'd love to be able to work out better priorities/rotation for fights like Twins or Anub.
Last edited by Rouncer : 11/24/09 at 3:28 PM.
Is there any kind of recommendation about how to run Enhsim to limit run-to-run variance?
I'm running 1.8.5.2, using 10,000 hours, and even with that I'm seeing DPS numbers running from 6893 to 6921, using the same set-up. Should I use an even longer sim?
I understand that Haste can be odd, but my Shammie is not a high-haste build, so I would think that the effects would be lessened.
It's hard to evaluate gear and talent choices when the Sim numbers bounce around so much from run to run.
I'm running 1.8.5.2, using 10,000 hours, and even with that I'm seeing DPS numbers running from 6893 to 6921, using the same set-up. Should I use an even longer sim?
I understand that Haste can be odd, but my Shammie is not a high-haste build, so I would think that the effects would be lessened.
It's hard to evaluate gear and talent choices when the Sim numbers bounce around so much from run to run.
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I left it running 20k simulations when I went to sleep, it took 5h45m D:
This is using my characters setup.
20,000 hours
10000
5000 hours
I also made another revision, but didn't feel like posting till I had the graphs done. I'm finishing off my 10k simulation atm, it should take an hour. Although I doubt it'll be any different, the 5k and 20k are pretty much identical.
Revision 8
*Added: EJ Table formatting, It's now completely copy-paste friendly. You will have to manually add STDEV values, however.
I did include that column in the header.
*Added: Hours to time estimation
*More tuning
This is using my characters setup.
20,000 hours
10000
5000 hours
I also made another revision, but didn't feel like posting till I had the graphs done. I'm finishing off my 10k simulation atm, it should take an hour. Although I doubt it'll be any different, the 5k and 20k are pretty much identical.
Revision 8
*Added: EJ Table formatting, It's now completely copy-paste friendly. You will have to manually add STDEV values, however.
I did include that column in the header.
*Added: Hours to time estimation
*More tuning
Last edited by Extenze : 11/24/09 at 10:28 PM. Reason: added 10k graph
@Shammiewow
We really cannot help unless you post your config.txt file. BTW please use v1.9.0.0 to see if that makes a difference.
@Rouncer
Yes I suspect that MT needs to be a lot higher in the priority - on testing on the PTR it just felt that way too often MT wasn't down. The new values in the sim show the fire totem uptime so it should be easy to test this theory.
Re: "Cleave"
1) Lets not call it that, way too much confusion
2) Are you basically thinking "Additional targets" and that all that is calculated is the extra dps to these additional targets?
If so perhaps we have simply an additional output line for "additional target AOE damage" and only AoE damage skills are affected ie: Magma totem, Fire Nova, Fire Elemental (Fire Nova), Chain Lightning. ie: these damage abilities have an extra tracking value for "additional_aoe_damage".
Config parameters could be "additional_targets" with as you suggest a default of zero and a max of 10. Would it be an idea to have a "additional_target_presence" which would be a percentage. 100% would be like twins where the targets are always present and say 40% for Anub? I'd see this as implements with a random factor, if ability is AoE and roll <= additional_target_presence then add damage multiplied by additional_targets to additional_aoe_damage.
This would give a non patchwerk style couple of parameters to play with.
BTW verification of FN spellpower co-efficient is required. I used the figure on wowwiki and not sure its up to date.
We really cannot help unless you post your config.txt file. BTW please use v1.9.0.0 to see if that makes a difference.
@Rouncer
Yes I suspect that MT needs to be a lot higher in the priority - on testing on the PTR it just felt that way too often MT wasn't down. The new values in the sim show the fire totem uptime so it should be easy to test this theory.
Re: "Cleave"
1) Lets not call it that, way too much confusion
2) Are you basically thinking "Additional targets" and that all that is calculated is the extra dps to these additional targets?
If so perhaps we have simply an additional output line for "additional target AOE damage" and only AoE damage skills are affected ie: Magma totem, Fire Nova, Fire Elemental (Fire Nova), Chain Lightning. ie: these damage abilities have an extra tracking value for "additional_aoe_damage".
Config parameters could be "additional_targets" with as you suggest a default of zero and a max of 10. Would it be an idea to have a "additional_target_presence" which would be a percentage. 100% would be like twins where the targets are always present and say 40% for Anub? I'd see this as implements with a random factor, if ability is AoE and roll <= additional_target_presence then add damage multiplied by additional_targets to additional_aoe_damage.
This would give a non patchwerk style couple of parameters to play with.
BTW verification of FN spellpower co-efficient is required. I used the figure on wowwiki and not sure its up to date.
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Originally Posted by Levva
Re: "Cleave"
1) Lets not call it that, way too much confusion 2) Are you basically thinking "Additional targets" and that all that is calculated is the extra dps to these additional targets? If so perhaps we have simply an additional output line for "additional target AOE damage" and only AoE damage skills are affected ie: Magma totem, Fire Nova, Fire Elemental (Fire Nova), Chain Lightning. ie: these damage abilities have an extra tracking value for "additional_aoe_damage". Config parameters could be "additional_targets" with as you suggest a default of zero and a max of 10. Would it be an idea to have a "additional_target_presence" which would be a percentage. 100% would be like twins where the targets are always present and say 40% for Anub? I'd see this as implements with a random factor, if ability is AoE and roll <= additional_target_presence then add damage multiplied by additional_targets to additional_aoe_damage. This would give a non patchwerk style couple of parameters to play with. BTW verification of FN spellpower co-efficient is required. I used the figure on wowwiki and not sure its up to date. |
Also would probably be a good idea to add an option to control the refresh time on Magma - so that we could say refresh based on priority provided there was 10 (or whatever value is specified) seconds or less on the timer. Set up the option similar to how it handles Lightning Shield or FS except based on time instead of ticks or charges.
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
Would it be possible to add a "cleave" option to EnhSim? So that it would run the simulations with a primary target and a selectable number of additional targets? Maybe lock that option to 10 at most so the AoE cap wouldn't have to be incorporated (or just don't lock it but have it throw an error to the board saying that the results will be inaccurate due to the AoE cap)?
I'd love to be able to work out better priorities/rotation for fights like Twins or Anub. |
EnhSim - View Issue #4968: Add more Boss parameters
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Originally Posted by Totentanz
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Keep it simple since there is no reason to have the sim model every aspect of a combat encounter. Things that are definite necessities - option to simulate additional targets that would only be affected by Magma Totem, Fire Nova and Chain Lightning - option to control when the simulator will refresh Magma Totem. Current system only refreshes when the totem expires which means no clipping of ticks but does mean there will be time where the totem won't be active. Option should let the user select the minimum number of seconds remaining before it will try to refresh the totem based on your priority list) Things that would be nice but are not required - percentage of time behind target. Would be nice to see if expertise does have value past the dodge cap for specific encounters. - percentage of time in melee range. Would be nice to see if AP is valued higher then Haste when there are periods of time where the only action possible is shocking. Ideally it would only be modeling times when have to run out for regularly defined AoE attacks from the primary target. So basically would be random sporadic short periods of time (say 5 second windows) where no melee would be possible but shocking and using MW4/5 would be possible. Anything more complicated falls into the realm of fluff and really isn't necessary or useful. That melee range percentage is pretty much already in that category and the time behind the target is pretty close as well. Considering it would require very specific encounters that would make us want to gear differently based on findings from those parameters. The multiple target thing was mostly fluff before 3.3 but with Fire Nova entering the picture it may have a large effect on our priorities when there is more then one target and the sim would be very helpful in working them out. |
I've actually posted two new issues EnhSim - View Issue #5501: Magma time left option and EnhSim - View Issue #5500: AoE damage with specifics of how we could possibly quickly implement these issues.
I'll leave it to those that know the C++ better than I to implement though as I tried to implement Black Magic enchant the other day and the result was the sim just hung in some sort of loop
Slowly getting to understand C++ wierdnesses but its taking time.
I'll leave it to those that know the C++ better than I to implement though as I tried to implement Black Magic enchant the other day and the result was the sim just hung in some sort of loop
Slowly getting to understand C++ wierdnesses but its taking time.|
Originally Posted by Levva
I've actually posted two new issues EnhSim - View Issue #5501: Magma time left option and EnhSim - View Issue #5500: AoE damage with specifics of how we could possibly quickly implement these issues.
I'll leave it to those that know the C++ better than I to implement though as I tried to implement Black Magic enchant the other day and the result was the sim just hung in some sort of loop Slowly getting to understand C++ wierdnesses but its taking time. |
I saw your issues and made comments and then escalated them both so hopefully someone will work on them for the next release.
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Originally Posted by Levva
@Shammiewow
We really cannot help unless you post your config.txt file. BTW please use v1.9.0.0 to see if that makes a difference. |
I'll be happy to post my 1.8.5.2 config if it would help you, but it seems like you've got this resolved in 1.9.0.0. Thank you!
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With this version it seems that also without using Fire nova there is a certain increase in DPS while moving MT up in the priority list.
But what it really puzzles me is that LL_QE seems to be rated quite low. I have run the simulator several times trying to put LL_QE in different places in the priority list and eventually I had the highest DPS putting it very low, just before "normal" LL.
Anybody observed the same behaviour? Before adjusting my priority accordingly, I would like to be sure that the sim is handling correctly the Totem of Quaking Earth.
My config file:
And the output:
Edit:
I noticed that the totem uptime was 91.71%. Is it this value realistic with the current priority?
But what it really puzzles me is that LL_QE seems to be rated quite low. I have run the simulator several times trying to put LL_QE in different places in the priority list and eventually I had the highest DPS putting it very low, just before "normal" LL.
Anybody observed the same behaviour? Before adjusting my priority accordingly, I would like to be sure that the sim is handling correctly the Totem of Quaking Earth.
My config file:
### Saved by v1.9.0.0 of EnhSimGUI config_version 1.9.0.0 simulation_time 5000 simulation_time_combatlog 300 combat_length 6.00 report_count 80 threads 1 combat_length_rng_factor 0.35 min_lag 100 max_lag 200 simulate_mana 1 cast_sr_on_cooldown 0 ep_precision 2 ep_base_stat ap ep_ap 80 ep_crit_rating 40 ep_hit_rating 40 ep_expertise 4 ep_haste_rating 40 ep_armor_penetration_rating 40 ep_spellpower 46 ep_dps 7.5 ep_mana 600 ep_spirit 40 ep_mp5 40 mh_auto_attack 1 oh_auto_attack 1 wait_ss_with_wf_cd 0.00 cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd 0 bloodlust_casters 1 sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets 1 cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left 15.0 cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left 4 cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active 1 cast_fs_only_if_dots_left 0 cast_ls_only_if_charges_left 0 cast_sr_only_if_mana_left 1250 use_mana_potion_if_mana_left 3000 rotation_priority_count 12 rotation_priority1 SW rotation_priority2 SR rotation_priority3 MW5_LB rotation_priority4 FS rotation_priority5 SS_0 rotation_priority6 ES_SS rotation_priority7 SS rotation_priority8 MT rotation_priority9 ES rotation_priority10 LL_QE rotation_priority11 LL rotation_priority12 LS miss 8.00 dodge 6.50 glancing 24.00 armor 10643 spell_miss 17.00 nature_resistance 0 fire_resistance 0 frost_resistance 0 arcane_resistance 0 shadow_resistance 0 armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0 armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0 physical_vulnerability_debuff 4.0/4.0 melee_haste_buff 20.0/20.0 melee_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 attack_power_buff_flat 687/687 attack_power_buff_multiplier 0/99.7 spell_haste_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_buff 5.0/5.0 spell_crit_chance_debuff 5.0/5.0 spell_damage_debuff 13.0/13.0 spellpower_buff 280/280 spell_hit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 haste_buff 3.0/3.0 percentage_damage_increase 3.0/3.0 crit_chance_debuff 3.0/3.0 stat_multiplier 10.0/10.0 stat_add_buff 51/51 agi_and_strength_buff 178/178 intellect_buff 60/60 replenishment 1 water_shield 0 mana_spring_totem 0 blessing_of_wisdom 1 judgement_of_wisdom 1 mixology 1 flask_elixir flask_of_endless_rage guardian_elixir - potion potion_of_speed food fish_feast ############################################################################### ### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ### ### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon ### ############################################################################### race troll mh_speed 2.7 oh_speed 2.6 mh_dps 178.9 oh_dps 196.5 mh_crit 40.53 oh_crit 40.53 mh_hit 11.92 oh_hit 11.92 mh_expertise_rating 139 oh_expertise_rating 139 ap 4633 melee_haste 14.35 armor_penetration 13.15 str 147 agi 1190 int 665 spi 170 spellpower 1390 spell_crit 29.52 spell_hit 14.91 spell_haste 11.04 max_mana 14091 mp5 0 mh_imbue windfury oh_imbue flametongue mh_enchant 3789 oh_enchant 3789 mh_weapon fist oh_weapon axe trinket1 45286 trinket2 45931 totem totem_of_quaking_earth set_bonus1 t9_battlegear_4 set_bonus2 - set_bonus3 - metagem 41285 gloves_enchant - cloak_enchant - glyph_major1 feral_spirit glyph_major2 flame_shock glyph_major3 stormstrike glyph_minor1 - glyph_minor2 - glyph_minor3 - ancestral_knowledge 2/5 improved_shields 3/3 mental_dexterity 3/3 shamanistic_focus 1/1 flurry 5/5 elemental_weapons 3/3 unleashed_rage 3/3 weapon_mastery 3/3 dual_wield_specialization 3/3 mental_quickness 3/3 improved_stormstrike 0/2 static_shock 3/3 maelstrom_weapon 5/5 convection 0/5 concussion 5/5 call_of_flame 3/3 elemental_devastation 3/3 reverberation 2/5 elemental_focus 0/1 elemental_fury 5/5 improved_fire_nova 2/2 call_of_thunder 0/1 unrelenting_storm 0/3 elemental_precision 0/3 lightning_mastery 0/5 elemental_oath 0/2 lightning_overload 0/5 lava_flows 0/3 storm_earth_and_fire 0/3 shamanism 0/5
EnhSim version 1.9.0.0
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MH:
miss 1122162 9.07%
dodge 1211 0.01%
glancing 2970732 24.01%
hit 1431237 11.57%
crit 6849315 55.35%
average ap 8107.08
clip 0 0.00%
MH Windfury:
procs/hits 14.91%
procs/swings 13.74%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 418 0.01%
hit 1641767 41.71%
crit 2293517 58.27%
average ap 8107.35
MH Storsmtrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 181 0.01%
hit 811708 41.71%
crit 1134229 58.28%
average ap 8088.63
OH:
miss 1164534 9.09%
dodge 1283 0.01%
glancing 3073951 24.00%
hit 1482344 11.57%
crit 7086141 55.32%
average ap 8111.32
clip 0 0.00%
OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 8928123 56.34%
crit 6919439 43.66%
average sp 3033.46
OH Stormstrike:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 188 0.01%
hit 812629 41.76%
crit 1133120 58.23%
average ap 8124.86
Earth Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1012709 56.42%
crit 782323 43.58%
average sp 3035.97
Flame Shock:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 493493 56.30%
crit 383111 43.70%
average sp 3035.90
dots hit 2961415 56.30%
dots crit 2298209 43.70%
average dot sp 3035.90
Lava Lash:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 240 0.01%
hit 942515 41.71%
crit 1316862 58.28%
average ap 8078.25
Lightning Bolt:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1471830 56.32%
crit 1141371 43.68%
average sp 3040.30
Lightning Shield:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 3145048 100.00%
crit 0 0.00%
average sp 3041.34
Spirit Wolves:
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 0 0.00%
glancing 2150308 23.97%
hit 5788742 64.53%
crit 1031614 11.50%
average ap 8120.99
Magma Totem:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 4580652 56.35%
crit 3548033 43.65%
average sp 3038.10
Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 48.58
flurry uptime 93.73%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 79.75%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%
mh enchant uptime 41.77%
oh enchant uptime 36.94%
searing totem uptime 0.00%
magma totem uptime 88.03%
trinket1 uptime 18.52%
trinket2 uptime 20.62%
racial uptime 6.88%
totem uptime 91.71%
metagem uptime 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime 0.00%
cloak enchant uptime 0.00%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 18.10 8.80%
replenishment 42.19 20.52%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.06 4.41%
shamanistic rage 136.23 66.26%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 2531.73 31.38% 83.94
windfury 948.46 11.75% 6.56
flametongue 604.51 7.49% 52.83
stormstrike 447.12 5.54% 6.49 35.74 15.39%
lava lash 340.22 4.22% 7.53 20.75 8.94%
magma totem 585.02 7.25% 2.79 51.94 22.37%
earth shock 571.18 7.08% 5.98 38.67 16.65%
flame shock 406.24 5.03% 2.92 17.83 7.68%
lightning bolt 956.57 11.86% 8.71 63.82 27.49%
lightning shield 346.34 4.29% 1.16 0.00 0.00%
spirit wolves 331.30 4.11% 0.41 3.43 1.48%
DPS 8068.70
MPS 232.18
MP2min 27861.30
MRPS 209.96
Out of mana time 0.17%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 52.41s
simulation speed: 343472x
I noticed that the totem uptime was 91.71%. Is it this value realistic with the current priority?
Last edited by Quaglia : 11/25/09 at 12:51 PM.
I've added the magma totem ticks option. Its very interesting, setting this to a non zero value or even just in v1.9.0.0 moving MT higher up the priority list results in a significant MT boost. This will be due to higher uptime.
V1.9.0.1 will be out soon.
V1.9.0.1 will be out soon.
I dunno if this is useful-- maybe not. But the way I handle magma totem while I'm in an actual raid is such:
If all my abilities are on cooldown, and lightning shield is up with a high number of stacks, I refresh magma totem regardless of how much time it has left (using my better judgment of course; I don't see myself refreshing the totem at over 5 seconds). The way I see it, the DPS loss from a couple reset swing timers is made up for by magma totem being up nearly 100% of the time, which for me it is.
I think the way to model this in the sim would be to add another rotation item called, say, MT_<5 that could be added into the bottom of the priority queue.
I obviously don't know how effective my own method is without the simulator to tell, but I think going into 3.3 it'll be necessary to model a more robust technique with magma totem.
If all my abilities are on cooldown, and lightning shield is up with a high number of stacks, I refresh magma totem regardless of how much time it has left (using my better judgment of course; I don't see myself refreshing the totem at over 5 seconds). The way I see it, the DPS loss from a couple reset swing timers is made up for by magma totem being up nearly 100% of the time, which for me it is.
I think the way to model this in the sim would be to add another rotation item called, say, MT_<5 that could be added into the bottom of the priority queue.
I obviously don't know how effective my own method is without the simulator to tell, but I think going into 3.3 it'll be necessary to model a more robust technique with magma totem.
Personally, I refresh it at 10 seconds or less when I have a free GCD.
The option that Levva has integrated in 1.9.0.1 will allow you to tell the sim the minimum number of ticks remaining on the current Magma Totem before it will start looking for a GCD under the priority list structure to refresh the totem. Since you like 5 seconds that gives you a choice between either 3 ticks (6 seconds) or 2 ticks (4 seconds). Probably better to stick to 3 ticks, though, as that will more likely represent your current behavior.
The option that Levva has integrated in 1.9.0.1 will allow you to tell the sim the minimum number of ticks remaining on the current Magma Totem before it will start looking for a GCD under the priority list structure to refresh the totem. Since you like 5 seconds that gives you a choice between either 3 ticks (6 seconds) or 2 ticks (4 seconds). Probably better to stick to 3 ticks, though, as that will more likely represent your current behavior.
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Looking at the graphs above, it seems pretty consistent that EnhSim is hiting some Haste spikes when haste is increased. Or let me be clearer, from those graphs haste is plateauing for wide ranges where you would hope it would have some kind of positive impact on our dps. I'd be interested on seeing which damage components are the main culpret here, just so that we can verify that the code is working correctly for those components.
Leevva, could you post another graph with a breakdown of each damage component for one of the abovee simulation runs? Maybe we can see some outlier that would require some further investigation.
Leevva, could you post another graph with a breakdown of each damage component for one of the abovee simulation runs? Maybe we can see some outlier that would require some further investigation.
Last edited by ziff : 11/26/09 at 12:39 AM.
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Originally Posted by ziff
Looking at the graphs above, it seems pretty consistent that EnhSim is hiting some Haste spikes when haste is increased. Or let me be clearer, from those graphs haste is plateauing for wide ranges where you would hope it would have some kind of positive impact on our dps. I'd be interested on seeing which damage components are the main culpret here, just so that we can verify that the code is working correctly for those components.
Levva, could you post another graph with a breakdown of each damage component for one of the abovee simulation runs? Maybe we can see some outlier that would require some further investigation. |
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Originally Posted by Saidbeastie
If all my abilities are on cooldown, and lightning shield is up with a high number of stacks, I refresh magma totem regardless of how much time it has left (using my better judgment of course; I don't see myself refreshing the totem at over 5 seconds). The way I see it, the DPS loss from a couple reset swing timers is made up for by magma totem being up nearly 100% of the time, which for me it is.
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Casting any INSTANT cast spell, as a shaman, does NOT reset your swing timer. Casting a spell with a cast time when you have any charges of Maelstrom Weapon active does NOT reset your swing timer. When there are any charges of Maelstrom Weapon active, if the cast timer intersects with the swing timer then that swing simple does not occur, ie the swing timer is clipped not reset.
Is there any way we could get an option to cast CL instead of LB if additional targets > n? (or just > 0)
It seems that this would give more accurate data for AoE situations.
e: I specifically mean that if there are adds 25% of the fight, you would probably cast CL 25% of the fight, not 100%.
It seems that this would give more accurate data for AoE situations.
e: I specifically mean that if there are adds 25% of the fight, you would probably cast CL 25% of the fight, not 100%.
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Originally Posted by Lchaim
Is there any way we could get an option to cast CL instead of LB if additional targets > n? (or just > 0)
It seems that this would give more accurate data for AoE situations. e: I specifically mean that if there are adds 25% of the fight, you would probably cast CL 25% of the fight, not 100%. |
For those that haven't yet seen v1.9.1.2-beta is now available at EnhSim I'd like testers to test all the changes please and report back things tested and proved working as much as reporting bugs. We'd like to get this version to the point we are confident of calling it a release not just a beta.
Well, we can't call it a release until Blizzard pushes 3.3 anyway. Speaking of which, if anyone has access to the PTR (mine is throwing errors at me when I try to patch to the latest version) would they mind testing the interaction of Elemental Focus (the talent) and Fire Nova. Last I checked, Fire Nova could proc Clearcasting from the talent but it didn't get the mana reduction nor would it use a charge when cast while it was active.
I very strongly suspect we only have until the 8th ie: 11 days so I'd like to get it ready for then as there has been a lot of changes and we need some stability checks to verify all is well.
Personally I'm also spending a lot of time on Rawr as well as EnhSim so personally I really can't put in the time to get EnhSim tested. It is better anyway if someone who isn't coding does the quality control checks. As it is a lot easier to verify your tests as you are not bound by the assumptions the programmer made and thus would test things he may not have thought of.
If some volunteers could help we can provide a full list of changes that require testing and sign off. Rouncer could you possibly co-ordinate this task given that you aren't one of the programmers?
Personally I'm also spending a lot of time on Rawr as well as EnhSim so personally I really can't put in the time to get EnhSim tested. It is better anyway if someone who isn't coding does the quality control checks. As it is a lot easier to verify your tests as you are not bound by the assumptions the programmer made and thus would test things he may not have thought of.
If some volunteers could help we can provide a full list of changes that require testing and sign off. Rouncer could you possibly co-ordinate this task given that you aren't one of the programmers?
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My character config, enhsim v1.9.0.0-beta. 1000 hours per sim, 5 runs per increment, 1% (0.01) increment step size. 1.53 mean stdev.
Same setup, 10000 hours per sim. 0.48 mean stdev.
Same setup, 10000 hours per sim. 0.48 mean stdev.
Last edited by Jessamy : 11/30/09 at 11:31 AM.
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I ran the usual 10 sims pers RNG, and took the average of the 10 to get these values. 5k hour simulations
Edit: I could've sworn I've typed this in, but I got these numbers by running 10 sims per RNG change, and averaging them otherwise the graph would've been monstrous.
There's a graph in my spreadsheet, but I don't really see any usable detail in it.
Subtracting 0.00 rng values from the 1.0 values you can see what changes the most.
edit2: Here's the spreadsheet I used, containing all the raw data.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/816613/attacksOut_me_5k.ods
Edit: I could've sworn I've typed this in, but I got these numbers by running 10 sims per RNG change, and averaging them otherwise the graph would've been monstrous.
| white | WF | FT | SS | LL | MT | ES | FS | LB | LS | SW | totalDPS | |
| 0 | 2737.02 | 1026.85 | 612.07 | 437.61 | 342.88 | 521.98 | 584.07 | 317.76 | 962.48 | 316.12 | 334.47 | 8193.3 |
| 0.05 | 2747.28 | 1029.42 | 613.73 | 437.77 | 342.77 | 521.83 | 584.26 | 317.72 | 965.02 | 316.8 | 329.07 | 8205.66 |
| 0.1 | 2755.45 | 1031.6 | 615.11 | 437.97 | 342.74 | 521.92 | 584.53 | 317.64 | 967.22 | 317.39 | 316.03 | 8207.6 |
| 0.15 | 2758.49 | 1032.46 | 615.65 | 438.16 | 342.88 | 522.1 | 584.76 | 317.67 | 967.97 | 317.79 | 308.44 | 8206.36 |
| 0.2 | 2760.31 | 1033.01 | 615.96 | 438.24 | 343 | 522.23 | 584.84 | 317.68 | 968.44 | 317.93 | 304.6 | 8206.24 |
| 0.25 | 2761.02 | 1033.23 | 616.11 | 438.22 | 342.9 | 522.21 | 584.88 | 317.66 | 968.78 | 317.99 | 304.01 | 8207.01 |
| 0.3 | 2761.74 | 1033.46 | 616.2 | 438.18 | 342.89 | 522.08 | 584.83 | 317.64 | 968.95 | 318.06 | 308.06 | 8212.09 |
| 0.35 | 2762.26 | 1033.65 | 616.26 | 438.17 | 342.8 | 522.11 | 584.92 | 317.61 | 969.09 | 318.05 | 311.17 | 8216.08 |
| 0.4 | 2762.5 | 1033.81 | 616.28 | 438.18 | 342.79 | 522.01 | 584.91 | 317.62 | 969.21 | 318.09 | 310.3 | 8215.69 |
| 0.45 | 2762.66 | 1033.84 | 616.35 | 438.24 | 342.85 | 522.12 | 584.81 | 317.61 | 969.24 | 318.16 | 308.37 | 8214.24 |
| 0.5 | 2763.05 | 1033.8 | 616.44 | 438.27 | 342.88 | 522.17 | 584.85 | 317.63 | 969.3 | 318.18 | 306.72 | 8213.29 |
| 0.55 | 2762.91 | 1033.75 | 616.39 | 438.27 | 342.91 | 522.09 | 584.94 | 317.64 | 969.32 | 318.19 | 306.27 | 8212.67 |
| 0.6 | 2763.13 | 1033.99 | 616.43 | 438.25 | 342.81 | 522.11 | 584.9 | 317.63 | 969.41 | 318.2 | 308.14 | 8214.99 |
| 0.65 | 2763.36 | 1034.16 | 616.43 | 438.26 | 342.8 | 521.99 | 584.89 | 317.63 | 969.48 | 318.24 | 309.96 | 8217.19 |
| 0.7 | 2763.61 | 1034.27 | 616.51 | 438.26 | 342.83 | 521.99 | 584.82 | 317.57 | 969.41 | 318.21 | 309.45 | 8216.93 |
| 0.75 | 2763.78 | 1034.32 | 616.51 | 438.23 | 342.84 | 522.12 | 584.89 | 317.63 | 969.42 | 318.31 | 308.39 | 8216.42 |
| 0.8 | 2763.6 | 1034.04 | 616.48 | 438.27 | 342.86 | 522.13 | 584.77 | 317.63 | 969.42 | 318.32 | 307.36 | 8214.89 |
| 0.85 | 2763.78 | 1034.33 | 616.49 | 438.21 | 342.84 | 522.04 | 584.82 | 317.66 | 969.42 | 318.26 | 306.91 | 8214.77 |
| 0.9 | 2763.87 | 1034.32 | 616.5 | 438.17 | 342.82 | 522.08 | 584.96 | 317.6 | 969.53 | 318.28 | 308.14 | 8216.26 |
| 0.95 | 2763.78 | 1034.33 | 616.55 | 438.23 | 342.85 | 522.11 | 584.83 | 317.63 | 969.49 | 318.4 | 309.39 | 8217.57 |
| 1 | 2762.93 | 1033.81 | 616.38 | 438.25 | 342.83 | 522.05 | 584.96 | 317.61 | 969.31 | 318.26 | 309.21 | 8215.59 |
There's a graph in my spreadsheet, but I don't really see any usable detail in it.
Subtracting 0.00 rng values from the 1.0 values you can see what changes the most.
| white | WF | FT | SS | LL | MT | ES | FS | LB | LS | SW | totalDPS |
| 25.91 | 6.96 | 4.31 | 0.63 | -0.06 | 0.07 | 0.89 | -0.15 | 6.82 | 2.14 | -25.26 | 22.28 |
edit2: Here's the spreadsheet I used, containing all the raw data.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/816613/attacksOut_me_5k.ods
Last edited by Extenze : 11/29/09 at 8:31 PM.
I was investigating an issue reported by inconsistencies in Rawr.Enhance & EnhSim with [Talisman of Volatile Power] now it turns out there were bugs in both programs. It did throw up an interesting issue what precisely constitutes "spell damage" and "spell casts" as far as special effect triggers are concerned. A special effect trigger is something that initiates a proc - eg: Set bonus LL triggering Quaking Earth, or spell cast triggering trinket.
Currently EnhSim has the following definition for spell cast...
Now I note no mention of things like magma totem drops which are spell casts, and apparently do trigger the talisman shouldn't these be included?
We also have the related Spell Damage...
The sim has no concept of separating non periodic damage, periodic damage and spell damage. I suspect we should make a separation between them. So that we can have effects proc on any spell damage (including periodic damage such as FS Dot ticks and Magma/searing totem pulses), periodic damage (FS Dot ticks and magma/searing totem) and non-periodic damage (as above).
I may be wrong but doesn't most trinkets that proc off spell damage also proc off magma totem damage & FS Dot ticks?
Whilst I'm musing on these things, where does Flametongue weapon imbue damage come into this? Should it be treated as spell damage? Does it proc things that come under the spell damage list? If so then the Sim is ignoring this source of spell damage at present.
Currently EnhSim has the following definition for spell cast...
public pShockCast, public pLightningBoltCast, public pLightningOverloadCast, public pChainLightningCast, public pLavaBurstCast, public pLightningShieldCast, public pFireNovaCast
We also have the related Spell Damage...
public pShockDamage, public pLightningBoltDamage, public pLightningOverloadDamage, public pChainLightningDamage, public pLavaBurstDamage, public pFireNovaDamage, public pLightningShieldDamage
I may be wrong but doesn't most trinkets that proc off spell damage also proc off magma totem damage & FS Dot ticks?
Whilst I'm musing on these things, where does Flametongue weapon imbue damage come into this? Should it be treated as spell damage? Does it proc things that come under the spell damage list? If so then the Sim is ignoring this source of spell damage at present.
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Originally Posted by Levva
I may be wrong but doesn't most trinkets that proc off spell damage also proc off magma totem damage & FS Dot ticks?
Whilst I'm musing on these things, where does Flametongue weapon imbue damage come into this? Should it be treated as spell damage? Does it proc things that come under the spell damage list? If so then the Sim is ignoring this source of spell damage at present. |
1) Procs on harmful spell cast
Example: [Talisman of Volatile Power]
2) Procs on any spell cast
Example: [Eye of the Broodmother]
3) Procs on non-periodic crits
Example: [Reign of the Dead]
4) Procs on periodic damage
Example: [Extract of Necromantic Power]
I do not know if Muradin's Spyglass (ICC-10) is initial cast only or periodic damage also, if it is both then it adds another category.
I would guess that Extract of Necromantic Power procs off magma totem damage, but I have not tested it. I would guess that a flametongue weapon damage (Flametongue Attack) crit would proc Reign of the Dead, but I have not tested it.
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Originally Posted by stassart
I believe spell damage trinket procs fall into these categories:
1) Procs on harmful spell cast Example: [Talisman of Volatile Power] 2) Procs on any spell cast Example: [Eye of the Broodmother] 3) Procs on non-periodic crits Example: [Reign of the Dead] 4) Procs on periodic damage Example: [Extract of Necromantic Power] I do not know if Muradin's Spyglass (ICC-10) is initial cast only or periodic damage also, if it is both then it adds another category. I would guess that Extract of Necromantic Power procs off magma totem damage, but I have not tested it. I would guess that a flametongue weapon damage (Flametongue Attack) crit would proc Reign of the Dead, but I have not tested it. |
1) Procs on harmful spell cast - pSpellCast - was pSpellDamage in v1.9.1.2
Example: [Talisman of Volatile Power]
2) Procs on any spell cast - not currently implemented!!!
Example: [Eye of the Broodmother]
3) Procs on non-periodic crits - pSpellCrit and pFlametongueCrit
Example: [Reign of the Dead]
4) Procs on periodic damage - not currently implemented!!!
Example: [Extract of Necromantic Power]
None of these trinkets are getting any proc effect from either a Magma totem drop (spell cast) or Magma totem pulse (spell damage? spell crit?).
You also have trinkets in patch 3.3 like [Dislodged Foreign Object] which has proc of "Your harmful spells have a chance to increase your spell power by 105 and an additional 105 every 2 sec for 20 sec."
Which sounds like spell cast too but who knows (not exactly a Enhance trinket anyway so not a big deal).
So questions are
1) Does periodic spell damage trigger trinkets with "on spell damage"?
2) What does Magma totem damage count as? Periodic? Non periodic? Nothing - doesn't trigger anything?
3) What does Flametongue damage count as? Melee damage? Spell damage? Neither its a special case and works on trinket by trinket basis?
EnhSim currently behaves as
1) no periodic damage triggers exist
2) magma totem doesn't trigger anything
3) treated as a special case on trinket by trinket basis. eg: for [Talisman of Volatile Power] flametongue damage isn't in the sim as triggering this effect.
Last edited by Levva : 11/30/09 at 11:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by Levva
1) Does periodic spell damage trigger trinkets with "on spell damage"?
2) What does Magma totem damage count as? Periodic? Non periodic? Nothing - doesn't trigger anything? |
2) Magma, Searing, and the Fire elemental's damage is considered nothing, they don't proc anything for you. You can get a proc off the spell cast of the totem though.
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Originally Posted by zimeron
1) Example of an item that is worded this way?
2) Magma, Searing, and the Fire elemental's damage is considered nothing, they don't proc anything for you. You can get a proc off the spell cast of the totem though. |
http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=50345
NB. You'll need to follow the link - EJ forum mangles the link trying to make it a www . wowhead . com item instead of a ptr . wowhead . com item.